Procurement

by Lowetide

One of the things I wanted to look at when we got a chance is Ken Holland’s procurement sources. Does he sign a bunch of college kids in order to supplement the draft picks or are there six AHL veterans on the roster? And, how does that compare to the Oilers? Here’s a look, since 2010. Photo by Rob Ferguson.

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I have wondered about procurement pipelines for Holland’s Red Wings versus the Oilers for some time. Turns out, the sources of first year pro players are the same, and the volume is very similar. Here’s a 10-year (2010-19) look at the rookies, before we start looking year by year.

THE 2010-11 TEAMS

The Oklahoma City Barons made the playoffs while the Grand Rapids Griffins did not. The Oilers had 14 draft picks on that roster, including newcomers Jeff Petry, Linus Omark, ChrisVandeVelde, Teemu Hartikainen and Milan Kytnar. A nice group of rookie pros, Oilers didn’t reap those rewards fully but some careers started in Oklahoma USA that fall and winter.

Detroit had two rookie draft picks, Brendan Smith and Joakim Andersson. Oilers had the better rookies, but Detroit had the better group matriculating in years two and three of entry deals. Tomas Tatar (in his second AHL season) led the way.

2011-12 TEAMS

Now that we have the rosters 2010-11 established, I’m looking at just rookies. Gustav Nyqvist leads the way for Detroit, Landon Ferraro, Mitch Callahan and Andrej Nestrasil all showed promise.

Edmonton’s new group boasted Tyler Pitlick as the frontrunner, with Curtis Hamilton, Antti Tyrvainen and Kirill “Eager” Tulupov joining in. Pitlick was a highly touted player in 2010, but injuries slowed his development. Nyqvist, a fourth rounder, would emerge as the player Edmonton hoped Pitlick (or others in the second round) would turn into by 2014.

2012-13 TEAMS

This is a pretty even procurement count. Edmonton signed Justin Schultz and Taylor Fedun, plus draft picks Martin Marincin, Toni Rajala, Ryan Martindale, Brandon Davidson and Olivier Roy turned pro. That’s a solid rookie crop of pro hockey players.

Detroit’s grads included Riley Sheahan, Luke Glendening, Petr Mrazek, Thomas Jurco. There is no high skill player here but several useful pieces and Mrazek has enjoyed a solid career.

Edmonton probably had the better players overall, but Detroit got more seasons of NHL production. Tough call. I’ll give the edge to Edmonton. You?

2013-14 TEAMS

Edmonton’s Oscar Klefbom is a notable player, with David Musil, Martin Gernat and Travis Ewanyk representing the Edmonton Oil Kings. College free agent Andrew Miller had an impact at the AHL level, and Kale Kessy was the minor league acquisition for the rights to Tobias Rieder.

Detroit had Ryan Sproul, Nick Jensen, Martin Frk, Xavier Ouellet, Teemu Pulkkinen, Alexei Marchenko.

Good crop, nod to Edmonton, but notice how Detroit gets at least some value out of a pedestrian rookie crop. Nick Jensen is a good NHL defenseman. Oilers were giving up on players too soon in this era. Jensen was drafted in 2009, became a regular in the NHL 2016-17. There’s a lesson there.

2014-15 ROOKIES

This was a fascinating winter in Detroit. Rookie draft picks were excellent, Anthony Mantha, Andreas Athanasiou and Marek Tvrdon all showing promise. The team signed a Euro (Tomas Nosek) and a promising college player (Mark Zengerle) in a year where there’s more activity than normal. The Nosek signing was solid.

Part of the reason could have been trades made by Holland that offloaded Mattias Backman, Mattias Janmark, Calle Jarnkrok and some picks for long in the tooth NHL help. Holland was adding from everywhere because of those trades, similar to what we saw with Haas and Nygard in Edmonton last summer.

The Oilers added Bogdan Yakimov, Jujhar Khaira, Dillon Simpson and Mitch Moroz, and a solid college man in Jordan Oesterle, plus the Euro Iiro Pakarinen. Detroit wins the day, Holland’s trades have the look of a GM who has some urgency.

2015-16 TEAMS

Edmonton boasted Anton Slepyshev, Kyle Platzer, Greg Chase and Joey Laleggia, with Braden Christoffer getting a contract on a tryout and Eetu Laurikainen coming over for a try in North America. The Red Wings were quiet, with Tyler Bertuzzi and Zach Nastasiuk turning pro. College free agent Robbie Russo was the other rookie for Detroit. The only actual NHL player is Bertuzzi, so Detroit wins.

2016-17 ROOKIES

Detroit’s draft rookies were Evgeni Svechnikov and Dominic Turgeon, college free agents Daniel Renouf and Kyle Criscuolo and CHL free agent Joe Hicketts.

The Oilers draft rookie was Jesse Puljujarvi, and the college free agents (Nick Ellis, Patrick Russell). Puljujarvi gives Edmonton the edge in a race no one is watching.

2017-18 TEAMS

Edmonton graduated Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear (draft picks), Joe Gambardella and Colin Larkin (college) and Ryan Mantha (CHL free agent). No first round picks but quality with Jones and Bear.

Detroit turned Filip Hronek pro. Axel Holmstrom and Vili Saarijarvi also arrived in the AHL. College men were Luke Esposito and Dominik Shine. Edmonton has the edge, although Hronek is a worthy player.

2018-19 TEAMS

Detroit graduated a bunch of its most famous prospects to pro hockey, including Filip Zadina, Dennis Cholowski, Givani Smith, David Pope and Christoffer Ehn. Libor Sulak and Patrik Rybar were the Europeans.

Edmonton’s five draft picks are Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, William Lagesson, Tyler Vesel and Dylan Wells. The trade brought in Cooper Marody, Cam Hebig was the CHL free agent and the college kids are Shane Starrett and Logan Day. Zadina wins it for Detroit but Edmonton has a nice list.

2019-20 TEAMS

Oilers had a strong group of rookies, led by draft picks Evan Bouchard, Ryan McLeod, Kirill Maksimov, Dmitri Samorukov and Stuart Skinner. Joel Persson is the Euro.

Detroit also enjoyed an impressive group, with defenseman Moritz Seider plus forwards Joe Veleno and Michael Rasmussen leading the way. Gustav Lindstrom and Chase Pearson also made their pro debuts. College men are Taro Hirose, Ryan Kuffner, Alec McCrea and Jarid Lukosevicius. Too soon to know who has the edge.

DETROIT’S ASSEMBLY LINE 2010-19

Seider, Veleno, Rasmussen and others will be added, but as the decade closes the DRW have produced 15 men with 200+ games or on a trajectory for same. About 1.5 a year, with some impressive talents. I didn’t include Tatar because he wasn’t a rookie pro in 2010-11.

THE OILERS PIPELINE 2010-19

The defensive group has some terrific names and there are more on the way. The eight names here include several top-4 players who have been able to hold on to a feature job for years. The forward group isn’t large nor does it offer a proven offensive talent, although Yamamoto appears poised to cover that bet.

Which crop from the farm do you prefer?

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OriginalPouzar

jp: That appears to be just speculation from a Canucks blogger from 2 weeks ago…

So Juolevi and Rafferty are *almost* as likely to see a game as Phil Broberg and Ryan McLeod.

I’m not 100% sure Broberg will be with the team in phase 4.

They are allowed 30 skaters for camp but likely only 28 for phase 4.

It seems like alot for Broberg to come over for a few weeks and then head back but that was the plan for regular training camp in any event. Given essentially zero chance to play and Skelfeeta starting their regular season in mid-Sept, I think Broberg may head back to Sweden after camp.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: Berglund took the $92.5K signing bonus but got an out clause and will play in Sweden next season.

If, and when he comes to North America he would play in the AHL (if it exists) and would be 25 when his first shot at the NHL comes around.

A very distant bell.

Berglund doesn’t have an “out clause” in his NHL contract, he is on loan to Linkoping – its his SHL contract that would come with an out clause for the NHL.

That was not the point of the post. The point of the post is how adamant you were that you knew the exact reasons why Berglund refused to sign with the Oilers – posted them as fact and criticized those who disagreed with you.

Then he signed in Edmonton.

You have proven to be an “unreliable source” of ideas of why a player may or may not sign in Edmonton – due to looking for the negative in anything relating to the Oilers.

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As far as Berglund as a prospect – he is far from a distant bell – he is far from a lock as well. He is a solid prospect who, yes, would start in the AHL but very well could have seen NHL games this coming season and any season he comes over. He is a solid top 4 d-man in a very good league for developing d-men.

25 years old – you mean sure-fire 2nd pairing d-man Rafferty age?

jp

Harpers Hair: Both are.

And depending on the length of their run and injury, there’s a chance both could play.

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2020/05/22/introducing-the-vancouver-canucks-black-aces/

That appears to be just speculation from a Canucks blogger from 2 weeks ago…

So Juolevi and Rafferty are *almost* as likely to see a game as Phil Broberg and Ryan McLeod.

Material Elvis

Stanley Cup Final will be played in Edmonton. Nice exposure for the city. The NHL has made smart decisions; Edmonton won’t let them down. Can’t wait to watch McDavid raise the Cup.

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Harpers Hair: Both are.

And depending on the length of their run and injury, there’s a chance both could play.

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2020/05/22/introducing-the-vancouver-canucks-black-aces/

Okay, thanks!

Harpers Hair

€√¥£€^$: Speaking of 25 yr old rookie RHD, is Brogan Rafferty on the Canucks TC roster?I’ve been looking for it, but haven’t found it.I do know that Juolevi is on it.

Both are.

And depending on the length of their run and injury, there’s a chance both could play.

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2020/05/22/introducing-the-vancouver-canucks-black-aces/

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Harpers Hair: Berglund took the $92.5K signing bonus but got an out clause and will play in Sweden next season.

If, and when he comes to North America he would play in the AHL (if it exists) and would be 25 when his first shot at the NHL comes around.

A very distant bell.

Speaking of 25 yr old rookie RHD, is Brogan Rafferty on the Canucks TC roster? I’ve been looking for it, but haven’t found it. I do know that Juolevi is on it.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
And they acknowledge that it may very well not be do-able and one potential is for some sort of regional tournaments to get some semblance of players playing.

Exactly my point.

After sitting around for almost a year, players would be expected to assemble in a Covid hotspot with a promise of nothing more than a tournament.

Much more likely NHL rosters are expanded to, say, 30 and every teams best prospects are with the big club.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: Why not Edmonton?

Actually, don’t answer – given your pretentious positing of “facts” on why Berglund wasn’t going to sign with the Oilers……

Berglund took the $92.5K signing bonus but got an out clause and will play in Sweden next season.

If, and when he comes to North America he would play in the AHL (if it exists) and would be 25 when his first shot at the NHL comes around.

A very distant bell.

OriginalPouzar

And they acknowledge that it may very well not be do-able and one potential is for some sort of regional tournaments to get some semblance of players playing.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: I will take the world of Dave Andrews and Scott Howson regarding the AHL’s plans over your thoughts on what is and isn’t feasible for them and their teams (including the Pacific Division teams which, for the most part, are owned by some of the wealthiest NHL owners).

You can be as naive as you want.

Andrews and Howson “plan” to be playing a full season in October.

Yeah, right.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: Why exactly do you think Soderberg would sign in Edmonton?

Why not Edmonton?

Actually, don’t answer – given your pretentious positing of “facts” on why Berglund wasn’t going to sign with the Oilers……

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: The AHL cannot afford to establish training camp bubbles in Western Canadian locales.

They will have no fans and almost zero TV revenue.

It’s a multi million dollar proposition.

No sane owner would pay those millions for a tournament.

I will take the world of Dave Andrews and Scott Howson regarding the AHL’s plans over your thoughts on what is and isn’t feasible for them and their teams (including the Pacific Division teams which, for the most part, are owned by some of the wealthiest NHL owners).

Harpers Hair

tileguy:
Watched a soccer game the other day and they had the canned fan noise going while the announcers called the play by play. It was good, they hit the boo button and the cheer button at the proper times and it made the game feel like it always did. I hope they try that here.

Have heard the NHL is developing an app that will allow fans to tune in the game and voice their emotions in real time and feed it into the broadcast.

We’ll see.

tileguy

Watched a soccer game the other day and they had the canned fan noise going while the announcers called the play by play. It was good, they hit the boo button and the cheer button at the proper times and it made the game feel like it always did. I hope they try that here.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: Somehow replace Rusty and his $4M with Soderberg, Staal or even B. Sutter and I’m happy.

If Puljujarvi does come back to the team and pops even a little, that’s a good and deep championship level team.

Why exactly do you think Soderberg would sign in Edmonton?

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: I would not anticipate any training camps in Covid hot-spots – I would suspect everything would take place in Western Canada and I would expect the NHL-owned teams in the Pacific Division would be able to make the finances work for their players.

I expect there to be MUCH enthusiasm for most of the AHL players – you know, its their way to feed their families…..

The AHL cannot afford to establish training camp bubbles in Western Canadian locales.

They will have no fans and almost zero TV revenue.

It’s a multi million dollar proposition.

No sane owner would pay those millions for a tournament.

OriginalPouzar

Pescador: +1
Also,
How many more years will it take Ken Holland to fix the mess left behind by Peter Chiarelli?
Need to have significant cap space to offer any potential free agent a contract worth signing.
Get it wrong and KH is right back where he started

Somehow replace Rusty and his $4M with Soderberg, Staal or even B. Sutter and I’m happy.

If Puljujarvi does come back to the team and pops even a little, that’s a good and deep championship level team.

Pescador

leadfarmer: I’d be more worried about playing in Russia during a pandemic

Not me, I believe everything that the Russian Czar says about the pandemic.
Putin on the Corona virus: “Its going very well”

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: You may nor care about how much players get paid to play in the AHL but you can be sure the players do.

If all that is offered them is a pro-rated stipend after having to endure training camps in Covid hotspots like California, Arizona, Texas and Nevada, I seriously doubt there will be much enthusiasm for a tournament.

However much you get a woody doesn’t figure into the equation.

I would not anticipate any training camps in Covid hot-spots – I would suspect everything would take place in Western Canada and I would expect the NHL-owned teams in the Pacific Division would be able to make the finances work for their players.

I expect there to be MUCH enthusiasm for most of the AHL players – you know, its their way to feed their families…..

Pescador

OriginalPouzar: I like the premise and the positivity but I don’t really think it will make a difference.

Edmonton can be wonderful in the summer but its not like these players are going for a run in the river valley or taking in the Street Performers Festival – they’ll be in a bubble downtown hub and maybe allowed out for a golf game.

Not to mention, agreeing to play in Edmonton is agreeing to live in Edmonton in the winter, not the summer. The players leave town during the summer, even most of the locals (not all though).

+1
Also,
How many more years will it take Ken Holland to fix the mess left behind by Peter Chiarelli?
Need to have significant cap space to offer any potential free agent a contract worth signing.
Get it wrong and KH is right back where he started

Pescador

OriginalPouzar:

Personally, I would give zero fucks about that –

Wins thread!

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: Well, that’s not what the conversation indicates as far as “best case scenario” – probably unlikely but, given they are building a schedule from October, not playing to January is not “best case scenario” as per those involved in the league.

https://theathletic.com/1899840/2020/07/01/ahls-changing-of-the-guard-a-conversation-with-dave-andrews-and-scott-howson/

I couldn’t care less about how much players get paid in the AHL or Reid Boucher’s reason for leaving.

The regional game was mentioned in response to the incorrect “best case scenario no games until January” quip. There very well could be a regional game among the California division somewhere in the fall.

That would be Oilers’ prospects playing games!

You may nor care about how much players get paid to play in the AHL but you can be sure the players do.

If all that is offered them is a pro-rated stipend after having to endure training camps in Covid hotspots like California, Arizona, Texas and Nevada, I seriously doubt there will be much enthusiasm for a tournament.

However much you get a woody doesn’t figure into the equation.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: I read the original when it was published.

As it stands right now, even in the best case scenario there will be no AHL games before January.

A regional tournament would pay players peanuts.

Well, that’s not what the conversation indicates as far as “best case scenario” – probably unlikely but, given they are building a schedule from October, not playing to January is not “best case scenario” as per those involved in the league.

https://theathletic.com/1899840/2020/07/01/ahls-changing-of-the-guard-a-conversation-with-dave-andrews-and-scott-howson/

I couldn’t care less about how much players get paid in the AHL or Reid Boucher’s reason for leaving.

The regional game was mentioned in response to the incorrect “best case scenario no games until January” quip. There very well could be a regional game among the California division somewhere in the fall.

That would be Oilers’ prospects playing games!

jp

Harpers Hair: I read the original when it was published.

As it stands right now, even in the best case scenario there will be no AHL games before January.

A regional tournament would pay players peanuts.

Yeah there’s lots of reasons for Reid Boucher types to sign in the KHL. He’s gotten into 1 NHL game in the past 2 seasons despite being one of the top scorers in the AHL. A KHL season is more sure to happen and he’ll get paid more there than the AHL regardless of whether the AHL happens or not.

N64

OriginalPouzar: When asked whether hotel staff would be part of the NHL bubble, Hinshaw said the protocol put in place focuses on those who are face-to-face, where COVID-19 spread happens more often.

Even the reports from Vegas distinguished between staff in direct contact (inside the bubble) and the background staff (outside the bubble)..

OriginalPouzar

When asked whether hotel staff would be part of the NHL bubble, Hinshaw said the protocol put in place focuses on those who are face-to-face, where COVID-19 spread happens more often.

“With respect to others who may be, for example, cleaning that space, we do know of course that transmission from surfaces is a possibility,” Hinshaw said. “But if there is no face-to-face contact there wouldn’t be a requirement that those individuals remain in the bubble

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: There was a really good piece at The Athletic on an interview with Scott Howson and Dave Andrews the other day.

I summarized some pertinent points.

Lots of scheduling options being explored.

At the very least, some sort of “regional tournament” would be likely I would think – assuming the NHL is playing.

I read the original when it was published.

As it stands right now, even in the best case scenario there will be no AHL games before January.

A regional tournament would pay players peanuts.

N64

OriginalPouzar: I understand that and I acknowledged the “bussing issue” in my post (and have for a week now in posts when talking about Toronto’s bid).

At the same time, we are talking about holding the marquee event of the league in Toronto vs. Edmonton – I don’t think bussing it is the reason that Edmonton was chosen for such an important league decision.

Because the NHL wanted Toronto there’s an assumption that Edmonton was the replacement for Vegas. But we heard that the PA said it was close and reserved their decision. Then things got quiet.

PA had the hammer on playing conditions and the Vegas decision tells us that was top factor. Given that the PA wielded that hammer it’s equally reasonable to say that put Toronto back in the game.

OriginalPouzar

godot10: The big wigs and the families would have to bus in Toronto.In Edmonton, the big wigs and the families will be inside the bubble for the Conference Finals.No bussing for them.I don’t see how they block off a walkway to get from hotels to Scotiabank Arena in Toronto.The hotels are on the other side of Union Station.

I think Bettman wants his suite in the JW Marriott penthouse, and the ability to walk back and forth to Rogers.

I understand that and I acknowledged the “bussing issue” in my post (and have for a week now in posts when talking about Toronto’s bid).

At the same time, we are talking about holding the marquee event of the league in Toronto vs. Edmonton – I don’t think bussing it is the reason that Edmonton was chosen for such an important league decision.

OriginalPouzar

leadfarmer: I’d be more worried about playing in Russia during a pandemic

I don’t know what the protocols are going to look like in the KHL for its camps and season start on Sept 1 but I would say that the likes of Stamkos and Seguin will be “safer” coming to Toronto and Edmonton, respectively, to play hockey than they would be going about their summer lives in Florida and Texas. That’s without even taking in to account the phase 4 bubble they will be in.

I’m enthused Samorukov will be playing hockey this fall (presumably) in one of the best leagues in the world.

N64

OriginalPouzar: We are saying the same thing here – not sure what they will do but I would expect any performance bonuses awarded via pro-rating to be subject to the normal cap rules unless (and hopefully until) we hear otherwise.

I could have been clearer. Meant we both see the issue the same.

godot10

OriginalPouzar: That is a negative of the Toronto bid to start with – while they can practice across the street from where their main bubble is set up (where the Marlies play), they will have to be bussed to all games (and I would think some practice rinks).

I’m sure the players didn’t like that aspect but it is what it is.

With that said, we are talking about Toronto vs. Edmonton for hosting the Conference Finals and Stanley Cup Finals, I’m sure the league and their rightsholders would much prefer Toronto and I don’t think the players needing to bus was really the determining factor.

Could be wrong.

The big wigs and the families would have to bus in Toronto. In Edmonton, the big wigs and the families will be inside the bubble for the Conference Finals. No bussing for them. I don’t see how they block off a walkway to get from hotels to Scotiabank Arena in Toronto. The hotels are on the other side of Union Station.

I think Bettman wants his suite in the JW Marriott penthouse, and the ability to walk back and forth to Rogers.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair:
Reid Boucher on why he signed in the KHL ….he’s convinced there will be no AHL season.

I’d be more worried about playing in Russia during a pandemic

OriginalPouzar

John Chambers: It should be every second day, even once a series concludes.

It essentially will be.

From accounts, during the play-in round/seeding games, there will be 5 games per day (3 in one hub and 2 in the other and switch).

I assume, once they are down to 4 series per conference, there will be two games in each conference each day – teams simply play every second day.

OriginalPouzar

John Chambers:
This tournament will offer outstanding goodwill from the Oilers and the City of Edmonton to a key group: NHL players.

If you’re Mikael Granlund or Alex Pietrangelo, the only thing you know about Edmonton is the snow. Their summer tournament experience should be first-class on a variety of fronts.

Between McDavid and Draisaitl’s prime, and the exposure to Alberta’s best in terms of safety, services, and seasonal beauty, I bet Edmonton becomes a far more attractive career choice for NHL’ers.

I like the premise and the positivity but I don’t really think it will make a difference.

Edmonton can be wonderful in the summer but its not like these players are going for a run in the river valley or taking in the Street Performers Festival – they’ll be in a bubble downtown hub and maybe allowed out for a golf game.

Not to mention, agreeing to play in Edmonton is agreeing to live in Edmonton in the winter, not the summer. The players leave town during the summer, even most of the locals (not all though).

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair:
Reid Boucher on why he signed in the KHL ….he’s convinced there will be no AHL season.

There was a really good piece at The Athletic on an interview with Scott Howson and Dave Andrews the other day.

I summarized some pertinent points.

Lots of scheduling options being explored.

At the very least, some sort of “regional tournament” would be likely I would think – assuming the NHL is playing.

OriginalPouzar

N64: Exactly the point raised. If the NHL is going to lean in to enable those bonuses (which grievance probably would have delivered) they can also lean in to not apply them to the cap. Don’t have to but they could.

We are saying the same thing here – not sure what they will do but I would expect any performance bonuses awarded via pro-rating to be subject to the normal cap rules unless (and hopefully until) we hear otherwise.

OriginalPouzar

godot10: There are four teams in the Conference finals.In Edmonton, since the DCA is within the bubble, it means no bussing to practice and no bussing to games.

In Toronto, the teams would have to bus to either to practice or to the games.

That is a negative of the Toronto bid to start with – while they can practice across the street from where their main bubble is set up (where the Marlies play), they will have to be bussed to all games (and I would think some practice rinks).

I’m sure the players didn’t like that aspect but it is what it is.

With that said, we are talking about Toronto vs. Edmonton for hosting the Conference Finals and Stanley Cup Finals, I’m sure the league and their rightsholders would much prefer Toronto and I don’t think the players needing to bus was really the determining factor.

Could be wrong.

OriginalPouzar

Crazy Pedestrian: I imagine that even though there won’t be any fans in the stands, Edmonton fans will still be flooding the surrounding area (Hopefully in a socially distant manner) for every Oilers game. If the Oilers win the cup, I can totally see other team fans complaining about this and saying Edmonton had an unfair advantage. They are all definitely going to be putting an “Asterik” on this years Stanley Cup if it turns out to be the Oilers.

I however, would not care. GO OILERS GO!

They are building an actual wall around the quarantine/hub.

I’m not sure how crowds of people on the other side of that wall would create any home ice advantage.

I’m sure, no matter who wins, may fans of many teams will “place and asterisk” and “make excuses.

Personally, I would give zero fucks about that – I mean, if the Oilers win 19 games and the Stanley Cup, I couldn’t care what outsiders think, I will be enthused as a cup in any other year.

N64

OriginalPouzar: There was some suggestion of that and, a while ago, like a month, the league acknowledged there were some concerns among the teams about this – they never agreed or said they would make the teams switch but acknowledged the concern.

From recent accounts, they are not switching – the Western teams will be in Edmonton and the Eastern teams in Toronto.

9 days ago, the league and players had settled on Vegas and Vancouver – this “issue” was not a major one.

~ Looking up the thread I see people have tried to answer this question, but alas still no speeds ~

OriginalPouzar

geowal: I’d heard opposite – west would play in Toronto – to limit any home ice/facility advantage, and vice versa with Edmonton.

There was some suggestion of that and, a while ago, like a month, the league acknowledged there were some concerns among the teams about this – they never agreed or said they would make the teams switch but acknowledged the concern.

From recent accounts, they are not switching – the Western teams will be in Edmonton and the Eastern teams in Toronto.

9 days ago, the league and players had settled on Vegas and Vancouver – this “issue” was not a major one.

N64

OriginalPouzar: August 10 – 2nd lottery (so play-in is done)

Way more exciting if the eliminated team captains were invited before leaving the ice to draw 1 box to see if they picked the one with the golden ticket.

OriginalPouzar

As per TSN and McKenzie, the current target dates (not official yet and league will push dates back if its warranted):

July 13 – training camp

July 26 – teams report to hubs

August 1 – Phase 4 and Games start

August 10 – 2nd lottery (so play-in is done)

Early Oct – Cup awarded

Mid Oct – Draft

Nov 1 – new seasons – i.e. free agency

OriginalPouzar

Nuge joined phase 2 and was skating with the boys today.

So exciting that things are ramping up.

Will be really interesting to see what type of reporting we get from actual training camp.

I presume media won’t be allowed in to watch.

Perhaps there will be a feed set up?

I assume zoom type media avails.

OriginalPouzar

defmn:
Still speculation although I think it is very close to becoming a done deal. Still not ratified by the players as far as I know.

I also haven’t seen any confirmation which conference will play where. I think people are assuming that the WC will play in Edmonton and the EC in Toronto but I have not seen any confirmation of that either.

Yes, from accounts (Friedman, etc.) the west will play in Edmonton and the east in Toronto.

The “concerns” about “home ice advantage” were acknowledged by the NHL but, it seems, they correctly came to the conclusion that any advantage is so minor its not worth the major logistical issues it would cause to flip.

I could see them telling the Oilers they can’t use their own room (at least for all the games)….

OriginalPouzar

Interesting spot from Brian Burke on Oilers Now talking about the Pronger trade.

Now I’m sure he was exaggerating a bit about how easy it was but, to summarize, he said:

– it was done at the draft

– Howson went to four teams with offers in a Pronger trade

– the offer for the Ducks was Lupul, Smid and a first

– Burke said yes

– NHL said couldn’t do it as the Ducks didn’t have enough room due to the tagging rules

– Burke told Lowe to call him on July 1

– They spoke on July 1 as Kevin was driving to the lake

– Kevin said he thinks he needs more because he’s “handing the Ducks a trip to the finals”

– Burke agreed he was handing him a trip to the finals and said that he’d give another 1st if they made it.

– Deal was agreed to

– Kevin asked if Burke wanted him to pull over to get in touch with the league and finalize

– Burke said, “nah”, lets just do it tomorrow

– Deal official on July 2

N64

Too funny:

@ScuzzMcFuzz
This is ridiculous. As much as I love hockey and want to see it back I don’t believe in bringing all these players here to potentially infect the hospitality workers serving them. This is such a joke (NBA and MLB included) if I can’t play hockey why can they???

@GardMackay
You can play hockey. ASHL has a modified summer league.

@therealDH17
Except you can play. Rinks are open with restrictions in Edmonton.

@780Scott
My kids are skating in Edmonton.

@Rob_Cooke1978
I can play hockey starting on the 6th. Can’t you play next week too?

@Sandman_in_AB
Why can’t you play hockey? My men’s team starts Tuesday in Edmonton.

UPDATE: Sports cohorts exempted from distancing here are not limited to the NHL. You can join exactly one performance or sports cohort with up to 50 members which allows for mini-leagues. Pre-dates the NHL-specific cohorts.

N64

OriginalPouzar: n response to many posts over the last while about families not wanting to come to Edmonton or wherever, I’ve been positing that I don’t think families will be allowed in the quarantine hub for the first while –

That was mentioned in the Edmonton public bid details.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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As a follow up on the perils of play-by-play pandemic reporting, where the only constant is change, it has now been suggested to me that while EDM is quite likely to host the Stanley Cup final, it can’t be called fully locked in at this moment in time.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Mountains of logistical matters on all of this. Site of Cup final will also be the site for both Eastern and Western Conference finals. Conference finals are, as I understand it, when the players’ families will be permitted to enter the bubble for the first time.

godot10

ArmchairGM: Why? I thought the Toronto proposal included a CNE / Hotel X bubble location. The Coca-Cola Coliseum (Marlies – AHL) is on the CNE grounds.

Edit: I may have misread your statement, specifically the “or”. Five of the six ice sheets in the Toronto proposal would require bussing: The Scotiabank center and the Ford Performance Center.

Toronto requires bussing when there are four teams. Edmonton doesn’t require bussing when there are four teams. Hence, Edmonton is better for the Conference finals.

Toronto, if they play in Scotiabank Arena, probably needs bussing for the Stanley Cup finals, since I doubt they can provide a bubble from the hotel to the arena.

Edmonton can enclose four teams and associated personel in a tighter bubble than Toronto.