Training Camp Hopeful No. 1: Ryan Kuffner

by Lowetide

I’m fascinated by Ryan Kuffner’s future in the Edmonton Oilers organization. He’s at an age (24) where Tyler Pitlick was wrapping up his Oilers career. Would Pitlick have been retained in a Holland administration? I think so. Let’s have a look at this Kuffner fellow.

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RYAN KUFFNER

2019-20 AHL stats: 36, 6-5-11, 5-3-8 evens; EV GF-GA 13-14

1 Why are you starting with this guy? Holland signed him out of college (multiple teams pursued Kuffner) and then traded for him at the deadline. There’s a new sheriff in town, it behooves us to see how he conducts business.

2 Are you seriously considering him an NHL hopeful? In preparation for the ‘reasonable expectations’ series, I always establish a depth chart by position.

3 Yes? Among signed players who should be under control next season, I have Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Andreas Athanasiou, James Neal, Jujhar Khaira, Joakim Nygard, Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Ryan Kuffner. That’s eight men. If Ostap Safin plays LW he’s in and around Kuffner, who is not close to an NHL spot.

4 What does he have to recommend him? Kuffner was a big scorer in college, at Princeton. During his senior campaign in 2018-19, Kuffner’s 22 goals led the ECAC and ranked fourth in the nation.

5 How expensive is Princeton? If you have to ask the question….

6 So he had one good year? Not at all. Kuffner recorded 152 points (75-77-152) in 132 games with Princeton. He was also a member of the ECAC All-Academic Team in each of his first three seasons (2015-18).

7 What did Holland see in him? Kuffner’s NHLE’s in college were 14.8, 24.3, 33.2, 32.6. You never know with college free agents, some turn into useful players and Kuffner was a bet Holland felt worthwhile. Not Drake Caggiula territory but worth a contract.

8 What did Holland see in him? He had 75 goals on 485 shots in 132 games. That’s a 15.5 shooting percentage and 3.67 shots per game.

9 So he’s a shooter who scored no goals in 10 NHL games and six goals in the AHL? He’s a player with an identifiable skill, meaning there’s a path (however unlikely) to a higher career level.

10 Oh my God you think he’s going to play in the NHL! No, but he’s a better bet than a meh prospect who doesn’t have at least one dominant skill. Plus, Kuffner’s skill has a high degree of difficulty.

11 Okay, his AHL numbers, please. In 32 games with Grand Rapids, he scored 6-3-9 on 44 shots. He posted 1-1-2 on the power play, 5-2-7 at even strength. His shooting percentage was 13.6 and he averaged 1.38 shots per game. In Bakersfield, he played four games, posting two assists, one on the power play and one at evens, seven shots, 2-1 goal differential at even strength. 

12 Scouting report? Volume shooter. Mark Hillier from dobber prospects said Kuffner has good size, is smart and quick with a nose for the net and finds the open spots to receive passes

13 What role will he play in Bakersfield? He didn’t get much power-play time in the AHL during his freshman season, suspect the Condors will see what he can do. I also believe he’ll play on a skill line, possibly behind Benson and ahead of Gambardella.

14 Let’s get back to this ‘dominant skill thing’ and have you explain it. I think the DRW were more likely than Edmonton to draft a player who had an identifiable skill that could be projected as his path to the NHL. A good example came in 2012’s second round. The Oilers drafted Mitchell Moroz No. 32 overall, a player Craig Button described at the time as “a player who enjoys the physical game. He’s a very good skater.” Moroz scored 16 goals and 25 points in 66 WHL games during his draft year. Detroit took Martin Frk 17 selections later, Corey Pronman saying “he has one of the best shots in the draft with a one-timer that rockets off his tape that is equivalent to the shots of elite finishers.” Frk also scored 16 goals and posted 29 points, but in 34 QMJHL games as he lost half a season to injury (he suffered a concussion in the pre-season that kept him out until December).

15. Sure, that’s an example but a one-off right? Actually, there are many examples. In 2009, DRW drafted Tomas Tatar 20 picks after the Oilers picked Anton Lander.

16. Can you turn the tables? Yes, the Oilers had a fabulous 2015 draft while Detroit’s was poor.

17 What is the last great Detroit draft? It looks like Holland-Wright left the DRW with a fantastic 2018 draft. First four players are trending well.

18 Happy Canada Day, you jerk. You too. We’ll get through this together. I’ve never been happier to be a Canadian. Blessed.

Kuffner Projected 2020-21 AHL stats: 50 games, 14-14-28 .56 points per game

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N64

Happy Canada Day. Only 2 free agents to sign today and looks like both are signing inr Canada ??

the audience saw through the greatest most airtight bubble illusion before the magician even had all the props on stage.

? Clark County Covid chart

Until this week did not think the NHL would pull Vegas. Had vegas+Pitt then Vegas+van then Vegas+tor.

.Michael Russo
@RussoHockey
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1h
Final straw on Vegas as hub appears to have been the news reports about so many hotel/casino employees testing positive for COVID-19

Defeats purpose of an NHL player/staff bubble if many hotel staffers were going to be able to enter society where coronavirus is still spreading

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
·
1h
Seemed so obvious to me that they should have pulled the plug on Vegas last week but for the longest time they felt the Vegas hub was so airtight it wouldn’t matter. Logic prevailed.

John Chambers

Ahh July 1st! Free Agent Frenzy! I’ll be glued to TSN until the afternoon.

I hope we pull a coup again like we did in 2016 when we landed possession monster Milan Lucic!

N64

John Chambers:
Ahh July 1st! Free Agent Frenzy! I’ll be glued to TSN until the afternoon.

I hope we pull a coup again like we did in 2016 when we landed possession monster Milan Lucic!

Big whales sighted near Canada
Now we wait for the key Nylander constituency to vote.

Tesla's Hair

Happy Canada Day! CBC Canada Day just announced Toronto and Edmonton Hub Cities! Is it confirmed?

jp

Agreed that Kuffner is fascinating, both the player himself and what his handling says about Holland.

It’s very positive (and different) IMO that Holland bothered to trade for Kuffner and presumably give him another shot. His college numbers really are impressive, and he was a legit prospect one year ago. Still a long shot, no question, but he’s got a better chance at an NHL career than the majority of players currently in Bakersfield (IMO).

jp

Cool about the Olympics too, assuming it happens!

Ivan

Mackenzie:
Barring any last-minute complications, and we have seen some of those (Vancouver and Las Vegas), the two NHL Hub cities will be Edmonton and Toronto.

OriginalPouzar

Well, subject to the overall union vote, it looks like Edmonton (and Toronto) will indeed be a hub.

While I am glad that Edmonton was chosen, frankly, that is somewhat inconsequential to me but I could’t be more excited:

1) for the extended CBA that will come with this (if approved):

– adding 4 years to the existing CBA guaranteeing labor peace for 6

– agreeing to financial metrics to get through the reduced revenue period and keep the cap where it is (and actually go up in a few years). I believe the players are getting a great deal here, even with the 10% deferal – the owners are essentially agreeing to be made whole over years.

– guaranteed Olympic participation (for the next couple Olympics

– dealing with signing bonus parameters

2) PLAYOFF HOCKEY BABY!

No, we aren’t there – the players need to vote and its clear that the vote won’t be a no-brainer but I do believe that the majority on the post-season teams want to play and have their chance to complete the season and compete for the cup. Many have concerns, they are valid, and many will vote no but I think it will pass. It will be then interesting to see if more than a handful exercise their out option.

Tesla's Hair

Thanks. They announced it on CBC when thry were talking to PK Subban. He didnt look happy and said it is because he is sad that he won’t be able to lift the cup in Canada.

N64

OriginalPouzar:
Well, subject to the overall union vote, it looks like Edmonton (and Toronto) will indeed be a hub.

While I am glad that Edmonton was chosen, frankly, that is somewhat inconsequential to me but I could’t be more excited:

1) for the extended CBA that will come with this (if approved):

– adding 4 years to the existing CBA guaranteeing labor peace for 6

– agreeing to financial metrics to get through the reduced revenue period and keep the cap where it is (and actually go up in a few years).I believe the players are getting a great deal here, even with the 10% deferal – the owners are essentially agreeing to be made whole over years.

– guaranteed Olympic participation (for the next couple Olympics

– dealing with signing bonus parameters

2) PLAYOFF HOCKEY BABY!

No, we aren’t there – the players need to vote and its clear that the vote won’t be a no-brainer but I do believe that the majority on the post-season teams want to play and have their chance to complete the season and compete for the cup.Many have concerns, they are valid, and many will vote no but I think it will pass. It will be then interesting to see if more than a handful exercise their out option.

The key thing is no crossover. Tempting fate to ask a Nylander on Canada Day to sign up for Edmonton .

Crazy Pedestrian

Ivan:
Mackenzie:
Barring any last-minute complications, and we have seen some of those (Vancouver and Las Vegas), the two NHL Hub cities will be Edmonton and Toronto.

If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

N64

Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

NHL teams fly point to point

~ except for flying into Fargo to get to Winnipeg ~

OriginalPouzar

I originally thought Kuffner was just a throw-in in the AA trade, to make the contract numbers work but, no, he is (or once was) a “real prospect”. That is a sparkling goal-scoring career at Princeton.

A really really tough start to his pro career but it was his rookie pro season. Even older prospects need time to adjust sometimes – look at the difference between the 1st and 2nd years of Joe G.

Of course, if he is going to re-establish himself, the time is now – I do project a middle/top 6 role for Kuffner – hopefully he puts his name back on the map.

Jordan

Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights. Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

flea

I’m shocked it’s all going to be in Canada but it’s the right call if they have any hope of finishing the season. NBA return to play is in serious jeopardy. It’ll be a great little stimulus for Edmonton, but I do wonder about blowback from the public if the teams create an outbreak coming into the City.

Not going to get excited until they start playing, but doing it in Canada is the way to go.

tileguy

Looking out the window on this July 1st holiday, rain and 12 degrees. Who wouldn’t want to come to Edmonton? Hope this doesn’t backfire somehow, main stream media will have a field day if the players vote no.

Pescador

Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

Cargo $$$
I have no evidence

N64

John Chambers:
Ahh July 1st! Free Agent Frenzy! I’ll be glued to TSN until the afternoon.

Big news breaks. Ahab gets his whale. And of course no LT on the radio

N64

tileguy:
Looking out the window on this July 1st holiday, rain and 12 degrees. Who wouldn’t want to come to Edmonton? Hope this doesn’t backfire somehow, main stream media will have a field day if the players vote no.

Heading to 19C, but the rain thinks it’s still June today

~ NHL is doing Canadian Day today. Saturday they select US hubs. ~

The silver lining in this double selection is that our “national” media will be tied up for months praising Toronto .

godot10

Jordan: Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights.Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

Calgary HAD more direct flights because they had more head offices and business travel, and because of the Municipal (or City Centre) Airport in Edmonton, which made it more efficient for Air Canada and whoever was the 2nd major carrier in Canada to prefer Canada as a hub and use Edmonton to feed it.

Closing down the Municipal Airport and the rise of Fort McMurray balanced things out and resulted in Edmonton getting many more direct flights.

The Municipal Airport hurt Edmonton’s development for decades.

Pescador

Jordan: Calgary took over as the major fly-in locay due to geography ( closer to the states and other major cities, meaning lower fuel usage and $$$ savings) and demand (more major business with money and larger population in Calgary than Edmonton.

As someone who doesn’t travel by air much, Calgary can keep their detect flights.Keeps the air cleaner up here – we only have to deal with refinery row

And with the price of oil crashing, refinery row may soon become abandoned Avenue. Either that or a heavily government tax subsidized jobs program.
Wait

N64

Pescador: And with the price of oil crashing, refinery row may soon become abandoned Avenue. Either that or a heavily government tax subsidized jobs program.
Wait

Not a lot of refineries built in North American for decades flat out busy in Strathcona County you’d think.

godot10

Pescador: And with the price of oil crashing, refinery row may soon become abandoned Avenue. Either that or a heavily government tax subsidized jobs program.
Wait

The cure for low oil prices is low oil prices.

Also, the shale oil boom in the States is finally going bust.

The alternative fake green energy will never really happen, because the curtain on filthy, toxic, radioactive rare earth metals mining and refining will no longer be able to be hidden in remote parts of China. No rare earth metals. No fake green energy revolution.

The only alternative to oil is nuclear, and that has problems of its own.

Brantford Boy

Quick story… when I was young I would sit down with my grandparents for a meal, which was essentially everyday as they basically raised me, my French Canadian grandfather (who fought in WWII), used to sit down for dinner that my grandmother made (English nurse/ambulance driver in WWII). He’d look at the massive spread of food, look at me and say “Good Country Eh”. I knew at a very young age, he meant it could have turned out a lot different had we lost the war and that we should be thankful for the country we live in. Indeed Poppy, best country on the planet!
Happy Canada Day everyone!
Cheers Eh!

alberta bound edmonton

godot10,

Do you mean “fake” in a Trump sense. How I hate this word. Green energy is an alternative. Let’s keep an open mind.

Harpers Hair

Happy Barry Bonilla Day!
·
3 hours ago
Yep, Bobby Bonilla is still on the Mets payroll
July 1 is known in the baseball world as Bobby Bonilla Day, when every year until 2035 the New York Mets will pay the former outfielder $1,193,248.20. In 2000, the team opted to buy out the remaining $5.9 million on Bonilla’s contract and agreed to make annual payments of nearly $1.2 million for 25 years starting July 1, 2011, including a negotiated 8% interest.

N64

As expected by immunologists experimental early evidence that after the b-cell antibodies drop off the immune system may still have decent t-cell protection. Potentially great news for infected and vaccinated.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1

N64

Harpers Hair:
Happy Barry Bonilla Day!
·
3 hours ago
Yep, Bobby Bonilla is still on the Mets payroll
July 1 is known in the baseball world as Bobby Bonilla Day, when every year until 2035 the New York Mets will pay the former outfielder $1,193,248.20. In 2000, the team opted to buy out the remaining $5.9 million on Bonilla’s contract and agreed to make annual payments of nearly $1.2 million for 25 years starting July 1, 2011, including a negotiated 8% interest.

They should but his number up in the stadium and have a ceremony to pull it down in 2035.

N64

@TSNRyanRishaug 35m
Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change – (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league…

@TSNRyanRishaug 35m
None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league…

@TSNRyanRishaug 35m
Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require busing)

BONE207

Pescador: Cargo $$$
I have no evidence

Happy Canada Day ???

What evidence do you need?
Everyone knows that cows are heavier than people. Ching ching…?

Harpers Hair

N64: They should but his number up in the stadium and have a ceremony to pull it down in 2035.

It must be a NY kinda thing.

The Islanders are paying Rick DiPietro $1.5 million/season until until 2028/29

OriginalPouzar

Really curious to hear about the phase 3 protocols that are agreed to and being voted on.

I’ve got to assume that the players are essentially restricted to a “home and rink quarantine bubble” and won’t be permitted to be out and about in society once camp starts. That has to be the case in order to minimize the amount of positives contracted at this point. Shit, I hope that that quarantine is expanded to close contacts of the players, coaches, staff at well – yes, the families of the players. That seems like a stretch to restrict family but it gives them the best shot of getting through stage 3 and in to the even more protected stage 4.

I really hope that the players are being smart now – restricting and protecting themselves as we are on the eve of camp.

Munny

Happy Canada Day, all.

BONE207

N64: They should but his number up in the stadium and have a ceremony to pull it down in 2035.

Put up his number now & blow up the stadium in 2035. Get rid of 2 curses at once.

leadfarmer

Anyone have music recs for Canada day?
Got the Hip
Matthew good band
Our lady peace
No Nickelback!
Tea party
Rush
Econoline crush

geowal

Crazy Pedestrian: If Edmonton is in fact a hub city, they better be flying all the teams straight into Edmonton instead the “connect through Calgary” crap. Always wondered why Calgary was used as a major flight junction point but not Edmonton.

Calgary is a bigger, busier airport and it’s not close. From a financial point of view, it’s more “on the way for domestic flights between Vancouver and Toronto. And, similar to Denver, the extra elevation makes it a tad cheaper for fuel consumption at takeoff.

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer:
Anyone have music recs for Canada day?
Got the Hip
Matthew good band
Our lady peace
No Nickelback!
Tea party
Rush
Econoline crush

Blue Rodeo
Joni Mitchell
Corb Lund
Spirit of the West
Personal favourite…Harry Manx

OriginalPouzar

The Athletic with a nice piece regarding an interview with Dave Andrews and Scott Howson (outgoing and incoming president of the AHL).

https://theathletic.com/1899840/2020/07/01/ahls-changing-of-the-guard-a-conversation-with-dave-andrews-and-scott-howson/

Of course, what next season looks like in the AHL is in flux just like the NHL – when it starts, how many games, if all teams can play, etc.

They have asked each organization what level of “fan capacity” is needed for them to play.

Howson talked about the possibility of “regional tournaments” in the fall – wouldn’t be officially part of the “AHL season” if all teams cannot play but it could be organized to give some teams the ability to have their players play in empty arenas so their prospects are developing.

I think the Condors should be in pretty good shape with a deep pockets owner (i.e Katz) as long as Katz is still willing to pay given current world economics.

This will be fascinating to keep an eye on.

Ribs

N64: @TSNRyanRishaug 35m
Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require busing)

Are the DCA and Terwilliger rinks NHL size?

Reja

OriginalPouzar:
Really curious to hear about the phase 3 protocols that are agreed to and being voted on.

I’ve got to assume that the players are essentially restricted to a “home and rink quarantine bubble” and won’t be permitted to be out and about in society once camp starts. That has to be the case in order to minimize the amount of positives contracted at this point. Shit, I hope that that quarantine is expanded to close contacts of the players, coaches, staff at well – yes, the families of the players.That seems like a stretch to restrict family but it gives them the best shot of getting through stage 3 and in to the even more protected stage 4.

I really hope that the players are being smart now – restricting and protecting themselves as we are on the eve of camp.

Millionaire 20>35 year olds that are strong as Oxus with raging hormones, what could possibly go wrong.

Harpers Hair
OriginalPouzar

In Edmonton, there will be a multiple block bubble that includes the recently-built JW Marriott, the Sutton Place Hotel, the state-of-the-art Rogers Place and the arena’s attached practice sheet of ice. A wall will literally be built around the bubble, sources said.

In Toronto, the bubble will include a 40-acre campus-like village on the grounds of the Exhibition Place, which includes BMO Field, the OVO Athletic Centre, Coca-Cola Coliseum and the 404-room Hotel X.

——————–

There are expected to be 50 members of each team’s traveling party. All those members, as well as NHL staff, tasked with setting up the hubs and the extensive testing that will be needed frequently for players, coaches, team staffers and support staff, will have waivers to avoid Canada’s mandatory 14-day quarantine for anyone who crosses the border.

Instead, it’s believed there will be a shorter length, quarantine in the “bubble” once the NHL arrives in Canada. If U.S. media want to travel to Canada to cover the league’s return, reporters will have to follow Canadian government quarantine protocols, a source said.

https://theathletic.com/1904466/2020/07/01/sources-edmonton-toronto-chosen-as-nhl-hub-cities/

Gerta Rauss

I had a dream last night we signed Eric Belanger to a 3 year contract

Happy Canada day all!!

Ribs

N64,

Cool! Thanks!

Munny

Gerta Rauss:
I had a dream last night we signed Eric Belanger to a 3 year contract

Happy Canada day all!!

Your dream came true!

They even named a triangle after him…

That’s why we call July 4th, Happy Compliance Day.

Reja

Even though I don’t think Gary will be able to pull this off I’m giving it a better chance than B-ball and their inflated egos.

N64

Reja:
Even though I don’t think Gary will be able to pull this off I’m giving it a better chance than B-ball and their inflated egos.

Or the NFL and their inflated footballs.

alberta bound edmonton

Sorry LT. Forgot about the T ban. Won’t happen again.

Ancient Oilers Fan

leadfarmer:
Anyone have music recs for Canada day?

For the more highbrow, but definitely patriotic, Arrogant Worms:

Canada’s Really Big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_RPp4dbam8

Proud to be Canadian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T3coiH-ss

When Canada Rules the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G84iG3Ny3o

Rocks and Trees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G84iG3Ny3o

We are Beaver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWX8uWf2LhQ