That’s The Way Of The World

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colieo_87

Wow I didn’t know about the Nova scotia oilers. Thanks for teaching me history today LT

dunterpunter

Love if you brought it Jonathan Willis on your show lowetide to talk shop

Scungilli Slushy

It’s all on the players. HC can ‘only’ do so much. They have systems just have to listen. It’s up to the players. Ducks were ready to listen to the coach so they should have kept the last guy and saved money. Obviously

Fibonacci

Ducks owner Henry Samuelli was the founder of Broadcom which acquired VM Ware and Symantec among others.

His net worth is estimated at $39 billion and rising rapidly due to investments in AI.

Dontbthink a few bucks on a new coach was a big deal.

winchester

Slushy, are you okay??

Scungilli Slushy

NO! Heh heh. Thanks for checking in, sarcastic

hags9k

That’s one of the most aggressive goalie runs I’ve seen in a long time. Just drilled him, wow.

fishman

Could have easily been called a double minor or a major. Totally steamrolled him.

Scungilli Slushy

NHL #onit

hags9k

That was a goal. In Anaheim they don’t miss those.

Sierra

Suspect reffing tonight. Lots of face punches after whistles going uncalled m

Reja

Teams are mimicking the last 3 cup winners Panthers-Knights. It’s always been a copycat league.

Sierra

Refs have lost control. Watch for Habs to start running Sabres goalie now too.

OriginalPouzar

I wouldn’t say I’m “cheering” of the Habs per se (nor against them) but that atmosphere is truly something else.

rev.hans

I am cheering for the Habs. Love the energy in Centre Bell. Love the energy of the team (and love Dobes’ take-no-sh*t attitude ).

meanashell11

I was at an Oilers/Rags game at MSG and Kelly was an assistant coach. For whatever reason between periods he would head “upstairs” instead of into the locker room between periods. My son and I were sitting in the first row of the second tier and he walked right past us. I shouted out “Kelly, my son is a huge fan!” He walked straight over and shook my hand then sat down and talked with my son for a bit. Can’t remember what they talked about but Kelly had the biggest hands I have ever shook. Like catcher’s mitts.

OriginalPouzar

I met Kelly the suites before game 6 of the 2024 SCF – he was having a glass of whine on the railing and I went over said hi. Chatted for maybe 90 seconds. Nice guy, big dude, looked to be in great shape still.

I did NOT mention that he was one of my least favourite Oilers of the era (although I respected his give a shit and willingness).

Fibonacci

The.Auston Matthews gambit.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/maple-leafs-no-1-pick-191335058.html

I think Matthews should and will head elsewhere.

He would leave a retooling team with a raft of assets.

LMHF#1

The Leafs should have moved him a couple years ago. Instead they’ve lost Marner and hit the ditch.

Still would do McDavid and Nurse for #1 and Knies if they’d take it.

Fibonacci

I expect Chayka will be actively dismantling the mess.

Something like Matthews and Rielly to San Jose for the Edmonton 1st in this draft , another 1st next season William Eklund and assorted prospects.

There aren’t a ton of contending teams that can absorb Matthews $13.5 million cap hit.

Scungilli Slushy

You would trade Connor or for that? Are you on the anti Bowman train?

LMHF#1

Big time cap space, a true #1 pick, and a young power forward capable of scoring 40 in short order.

Yep. Resets the window beautifully. I bet they’d win next year if it happened.

Fibonacci

@OilersJack

Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid spotted at Cactus Club in Edmonton.

Rumours of Auston Matthews demanding a trade to the West are circling (no interest in another rebuild for Marner 2.0) 

It looks like McRecruiter may be bringing another Leafs player home to Edmonton 

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oil2000

High praise LT. Buchy is for sure in my top 10 all time favourite Oilers. I would love to see it.

John Chambers

Nuge 3C
I think RNH is now best-served as a veteran pivot to help break in young wingers. Per Godot’s post below, I can foresee Howard being successful if he has support.
Howard – RNH – Hutson
This line should be able to score. If they’re getting pushed around perhaps replace Hutson with Dach.

OriginalPouzar

Hutson highly unlikely to be on the opening night roster.

Scungilli Slushy

After losing to the Ducks I’m pretty sure given the Oilers are going to carry two small players already up front the last thing they need is a nice smart small player who isn’t fast in the bottom 6

Fibonacci

@reporterchris

Macklin Celebrini will wear the “C” for Canada at the IIHF World Hockey Championship, with Ryan O’Reilly and John Tavares serving as alternate captains

Fibonacci

Macklin Celebrini powers Canada past France in pre-worlds exhibition
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/macklin-celebrini-powers-canada-past-france-in-pre-worlds-exhibition/

godot10

I’d run Howard, Samanski, and Savoie as a #3A line. One has Samanski and Savoie as a PK pair.
Howard on PP2.

Last edited 30 days ago by godot10
Fibonacci

You could call it the Black and Blue line after they get pummelled by the opposition.

Ranford.85

Similar to your ego, after your opinions get battered and bruised year after year.

How’s Brogan doing these days?

Byfield ever take that next step?

Last edited 30 days ago by Ranford.85
Sierra

And that line will get crushed

godot10

Jackson and Bowman invested heavily in smaller players, Savoie and Howard over two centres McLeod and O’Reilly. Jackson and Bowman consciously made this choice.

You have to play them and find out. Otherwise, there was no point to making the trades. With McDavid on one line, and Draisaitl on another, they will have easier matchups.

True Savoie might end up with McDavid, and it will be someone else with Howard and Samanski.

Sierra

I agree with the first part of your premise but not the second part. How is playing Howard on 3rd line any different than playing JSkinner on the 3rd line, which btw, you raged against.

Last edited 30 days ago by Sierra
godot10

Contenders have three scoring lines. Nick Ehlers is playing on the 3rd line in Carolina.
Marchand was playing on the 3rd line in Florida last year. Each is a small scoring forward.

Fibonacci

Ehlers is on a line with a couple of big boys…Staal and Martinook.

Talk Nerdy

I feel this is something that we can miss when using analytics. Smaller players are a little prone to being pushed off the puck, intimidated, and even injured a little more often. They definitely have a place in the game, but I feel they need some help in getting the puck back.

For that reason, pairing 2 smaller fwds with a larger, more robust player may be a good solution. Define the larger player as the physical F1 or F2 – always in on the forecheck and playing physical. Hyman, Podkolzin, do this. The Oilers need a minimum of 1/line.

As an aside, does anyone know of a way to measure how injury prone someone is in relation to size, minutes played and age?

Last edited 30 days ago by Talk Nerdy
Fibonacci

There is apparently no defined correlation between size and injury history however small players often avoid contact which can lead to, in some cases, decreased battle level.

The greatest predictor of injury is believed to be injury history.

Scungilli Slushy

I commented before after looking up player size that most NHL players are in a certain size range. Under 180 lbs under 10% over 220 under 10%. It was less than those numbers IRRC

Injuries hit every player but physics is a real thing. Gallagher was a hornet around the net and he’s not that old but done. Yama had a run because skill and he’s now a middling player was a first round pick, only 27

There aren’t many smaller players that stay at the top, or produce consistently in playoffs

godot10

Samanski is not small.

Fibonacci

He weighs 195.

Jordan Staal is 6’4” 225

Martinook is 6’1” 207

Scungilli Slushy

This. If you go by height only Elias Pattersen is a big player. 176 lbs 6’2 sums up his issues because he is supremely talented. It’s the balance between height weight and speed. If you are tall heavy and fast you’re Mark Messier

Fibonacci

Pettersson often gets knocked over.

And he doesn’t have the pure speed to counteract it.

Scungilli Slushy

If you aren’t NHL size you have to have plus skating. Nuge had plus edges but now it’s not enough for example

Scungilli Slushy

He also might have been asked to play that way by Tocchet and Miller. He was looking better before all of that. Which is a concern I have for Connor as he tries to throw hits. The best skill guys in history have avoided that. Finish checks sure, avoid all contact other contact

Fibonacci

Yeah…I agree someone got in his head and hasn’t left.

OriginalPouzar

Howard and Savoie will both be on the team next year but it doesn’t necessarily need to be in you unlikely set-up.

OriginalPouzar

Clattenburg can have an NHL career but he has some work to do and, after a fantastic first half of the season, he wasted his second half of the season but not actually putting in the necessary work to develop certain hockey skills as the AHL level. He got himself hurt, demoted, hurt again and scratched by the end of the year.

Here is hoping someone is able to get through to Connor and he puts in 3-4-6 months of work playing hockey at the AHL level – he’ll make millions if he does

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Not out of the question, but I would be surprised if Ike Howard is traded – he came a LONG way developing his “away from the puck game” in AHL and he’s ready for the NHL and this kid will produce playing with skill – two years of ELC coming up are going to be massive value years.

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I continue to have Quinn Hutson as a tweener – I hope he can get an opportunity and prove me wrong by impacting in the bottom six but I’m not sure he will play nightly on this team.

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Big off-season for Marjala – that kid has some sick mitts, a lot of Ales Hemsky in him and he has a PPG season as a rookie in North America. Keith Gretzky talked about him getting stronger and needing another AHL season (although he says that about pretty much every prospect).

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I’d like to re-sign Max Jones for $850K but he may look for an org with a cleaner path to the NHL – I like Dach and Jones as a duo but there may not be room for both nightly (plus Frederic who, well, is here).

Ryder

Howard: I hope and assume you’re right. The club liked him enough to trade their best prospect for him so I imagine it would take a lot to move on from him. Perhaps Cossa? However it is amazing to see how much narrative drives value now that Cossa is not playing in AHL playoffs even though it’s b/c the other goalie is playing lights out.

Hutson: the absolute biggest pluses for me is that he plays a lot like his brothers with amazing 4-way skating, even though he doesn’t have great straight ahead speed, and they are finding ways to be very impactful. He can also beat goalies from afar which is rare. Obvious caveats being his is much older and a F.

Clattenburg: should employ Podkolzin’s skill coach

Ryder

LT, I like the way you separate the players into those possibly making the NHL and those who could impact. There’s typically an abundance of the former circulating NHL orgs that we shouldn’t be investing limited draft capital trying to find and should be focusing on the latter even if it means riskier bets.

Food for thought if you are a believer in Stauffer breadcrumbs. He’s been pounding the drum of playing McDavid and Drai together (I think Stauffer is smart but his reasoning makes no sense) and is also giving lots of airtime to Viljari Marjala.

One scenario where I see Marjala potentially making the big club is if we play lines of McDavid/Drai, shutdown, then a soft parade outscoring line in which Marjala could center or play wing on.

Sierra

I keep reading about the need for a soft parade outscoring line. Is there any evidence that there are “soft parade” lines on most contending teams that this mythical outscoring line feasts upon?

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Ryder

Great question, the only one I can think of would be Pitt’s cups with Kessel driving the 3rd line but I have no idea how they deployed their top 3 lines.

For the record, I don’t like the idea of a soft parade line. I’d put McDavid, Drai, RNH, and Samanski down the middle and match wingers based off what they need to be successful

LMHF#1

My money’s on Hutson and Clattenburg, as I’ve noted before.

Clattenburg because in addition to all you note – he brings the fight rather than responds, he was a captain in junior which says something, and that goal. He actually could have had 3 in those NHL games. He goes to the right places when that time comes and isn’t a bad shooter. I was never, ever a Buchberger fan – but I’m a fan of this guy.

Hutson because smart shooters who play a strong positional game and are willing to adapt make the show. You can play fast without being a speed demon. Unlike Tomasek or Howard or a few of the others who’ve had a look, Hutson isn’t behind the play at the NHL level. He’s where he should be and doesn’t bobble.

Both look better in the NHL than they maybe “should”. Those guys make it. Like a hitter who hits big league pitching better than AA.

CCM

Never a Buchberger fan? Blasphemy!!!

OriginalPouzar

One thing he and I agree on.