Small Chess Moves or Loud Noises?

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Ranford.85

That was one nasty hit on Bouchard this morning, jeebus. Take Lindgren’s number for next season.

Usually I’m not for vengeance, but that concussion looked similar to some that have derailed careers.

Bobcaygeon

I find it comical that anyone believes the Oilers will/can trade Darnel Nurse.
This is absolute fantasy.
History has shown that Nurse will not accept a trade, specifically to a team that’s going backwards not forwards.
What happens if you do trade Nurse?
First, you’ll most likely have to retain salary.
Then, you have to find a top 4 Dman to replace him, not an easy thing to do.
In the end, you’re at the same or out of pocket for more than Nurse is currently.

Oilers have better assets to trade than Nurse for far better returns, the Oilers GM’s are passive and cowards.

kinger_OIL

— I’d be curious what others think Darnell is the gap between what he’s paid and what it should be (a million, 2 million ?)

— 31 years old rarely misses games,
—good for 30-40 points
—logs a lot of minutes
—rarely partnered with a healthy complement D —cash costs of 8mm this year going down to 7 going forward
— a draft and develop part of a core.
— had a down year
— lousy goaltending

— Whatever the repackaged roster looks without him I’m skeptical that getting rid of Nurse net creates significant surplus “war”

— better goaltending, more suitable partner, better coaching systems better use of his strengths and mitigation of his weaknesses

— regardless he isn’t being moved this year

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Bobcaygeon

You’re not trading Nurse.
Full Stop.

John Chambers

There seems to be some smoke around both Nurse and Morgan Reilly.

The media has been down on Reilly (like Marner), but I see a guy who still averages 40 points, well above Nurse who had just 24 last year. Reilly has always been the better offensive player and is still relied on to be that team’s best defender. He would be a #3-4 on the Oilers.

A bit older. A bit cheaper. A bit better?

Bar_Qu

Cheaper and better I have time for. And the buyout is actually manageable too.

Ryder

The biggest tell to how the summer and future roster building is going to go is Nurse. There is so much going for him to get significant value back – 6’4 great skating D that eats minutes and puts up 30+ EV points are very rare. He gets paid a TON but that literally doesn’t matter if there’s tons of surplus cap out there and not many ways to spend it on July 1. That is the narrative to sell to teams desperate for a top 4 upgrade and want to hold up in the playoffs when teams with smaller D got pushed out.

*by all these arguments, the Oilers should also value him similarly but ideally could trade him for a Kyrou type and pick up a Zellweger to replace him who should be able to grow into a top 4 D.

Beverly Wavered
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leadfarmer

Last offseason we didn’t hear anything about a Kulak extension so he was on the outs and doubt they have interest in bringing him back

Lenny

He will want to cash in on this contract, he was underpaid the last few years. I hope he gets the Ceci deal from someone not us

leadfarmer

Expectations: Jake Debrusk, and Cossa.
Stan is not gonna be able to get a Kyrou.

TheGreatBigMac

Why Debrusk and for what price? Why not Bourque, P Kane, Mikeheyev (PK) or even Roslovic?

Bill

hat tip to LT for the Nirvana references!
what are the chances of AIC next?

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

LT just casually throwing his Nirvana knowledge arount with the Pat Smear reference!

DBO

They won’t be able to move Nurse this summer. if it happens, it will happen next year. Last dance for Connor and friends. If no success, then big moves next summer.

This summer is about adding a top 6 winger (i am on the Kyrou train as well) and getting a higher end young goalie (Cossa as well). I like Stauffer’s view of it. because it doesn’t involve them dealing one of Connor’s best friends who also has a full no movement clause in Nurse. If he made $7 million, we would like him. Nurse and Murphy is a solid 2nd pair. He is staying. We need to accept it.

Howard, 2nd this year or our first next year, plus one other prospect (Whatever D they want or whatever non nhl player they want). Does that get Kyrou?? Because getting Kyrou means no Dickason.

So the question is would you rather have:
Kyrou and Nuge as 3C and Jarry and Cossa at G
or
Howard and Dickson as 3C, with Jarry and Ingram at G

Fibonacci

No way the Blues move Kyrou for Howard (a B prospect) and a second and the Oilers don’t have a first round pick next year.

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ing316

If you can move him, then you absolutely move him and improve your team. If you sit around until next year you will most likely be moving Mcdavid

Fibonacci

Not sure what you’ve used to acquire Kyrou.

STL has been adamant they want to move up in the draft and the Blues have no need for Nurse with Broberg, Cam Fowler (at $3 million less than Nurse at 2LD) and Theo Lindstein at 3LD.

There’s plenty of speculation that San Jose is willing to entertain the possibility of moving the second overall pick and could do so by acquiring Kyrou, the 11th overall pick and possibly Colton Parayko and Adam Jiricek from the Blues.

That clears about $15 million in cap space for the Blues while San Jose satisfies a dire need for D with Parayko and whomever they draft at #11 as well as adding a dynamic winger to play with Celebrini and allowing Will Smith to slide down to play with Michael Misa.

San Jose can easily accommodate the increased cap hits and would have vastly improved their D with one major swing at the draft.

The Blues, meanwhile, could use the second overall pick to select RD Chase Reid or Keaton Verhoff to serve as a long term solution in their retool to replace Parayko at #1RD.

barry.moore23

My buddy is a St. Louis Blues fan and season ticket holder. He says Kyrou will not go to the hard areas. I’m not sure about that but he sees a lot of games in person. If true that won’t help us out come playoff time.

Fibonacci

That wouldn’t satisfy St. Louis’ desire to move up in the draft nor the Sharks need for RD.

With Dimitri Orlov at 1LD, Nurse would be blocking Sam Dickinson at 2LD.

Under those circumstances the Sharks might just as well hang on to the #2 pick and select the top RD themselves.

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Lenny

Yeah St Lou will want a first plus for Kyrou i think. They got that for Faulk and Schenn and Kyrou is a better asset than both IMO

Fibonacci

Lots of speculation the Blues are laser focused on Ivar Stenburg who is deemed to be the most NHL ready player in the draft and would be an immediate replacement for Kyrou with huge upside.

Not coincidentally, the Blues picked his brother Otto with the 25th pick in the 2023 draft. The 20 year old played 32 games for the Blues in the most recent season.

Ryder

From all the narrative in STL, he is almost the exact same asset as Nurse is. A valuable asset that the team/fans have turned on due to being owed a large chunk of money for a long time and seemingly underperforming their contract. Kyrou was even healthy scratched which never happened to Nurse.

If were viewing Nurse the same way, he should also go for a 1st plus too as a 20+ minute a night huge, great skating D that puts up 30+ EV points a year

Fibonacci

While Kyrou had a down year, let’s not forget he has three straight seasons where he scored 30+ goals on a poor Blues team.

How many do you think he would score with Celebrini setting him up?

Ryder

Kyrou is a heckuva player, I agree.

Nurse over the same time period averaged 9G 27A 36P +13 with 23 minutes played

Looking at stats only, those are also quite good especially when factoring quality of competition and wearing an A

TheGreatBigMac

In a bidding situation the Oilers don’t have to move Nurse to fit Kyrou. They could offer Howard and the 28 1st. Then it’s up to what other teams are offering and what the Blues prefer.

wkorkie

Stauffer is carrying the water on his show, as usual. You can’t listen for 5 minutes without him talking about distressed assets and Cossa. Kyrou and Cossa. I would love to see them get another Evander Kane type

wkorkie

And a Vinny Desharnais type

31saves

Kane and Desharnais ARE both UFAs this year… Just saying

wkorkie

Kane seems like he burned another bridge based on the tidbits I’ve heard. Not necessarily obliterated but charred to the extent it’s not going to happen. Desharnais would suit me fine if the price is right

Scungilli Slushy

Des doesn’t suit the Oilers. Remember how he struggled in playoffs? His style is based on reach, and reaching in was getting him called too much. He’s also not very mobile and Bowman wants a puck moving D in his own words, and what the Cup Hawks had

Bar_Qu

I think Vinny is a viable, low-cost third pair guy, who has been a stellar PK guy, and was well liked by the team. While I don’t think they need to go hard after any guy to play bottom pairing minutes, I think he’s a good choice for at least during the season, maybe beyond, depending on who the coach will be.

wkorkie

I don’t disagree. Maybe Connor Murphy will fit the bill but only if they actually sign him. I’d like another tree back there for the playoffs

Scungilli Slushy

I also would like more size on third pair. But not semi puck optional, has to be able to handle a hard forecheck, most teams will use that against us

TheGreatBigMac

Kane isn’t the player he was but I would still have interest. He was dissatisfied with bottom 6 before though and that’s the position he would have with the Oilers, also I’d want a value contract. Doubt there is a fit but if he is still in shape, humble and wants another crack with Oil Country I’d happily have him back.

Desharnais is cool but I wonder why he didn’t stick with other teams. I liked him when he was here plenty and would take a look but we only one 7D slot and Emberson is our 3RD, would we move out Statsney to take Desharnais? Doubtful. If he’s going to the Bake as a call up, sure great.

ArmchairGM

Kesselring is probably available. I’d like another opportunity with him.

Grover Jackson

Looks like Evan Bouchard may have been badly concussed on a hit to the head by Ryan Lindgren in the World’s. Hope he’s ok.

Todd Macallan

Yeah it was predatory and Bouch was out cold briefly. Glad he has the entire summer to recover now at least.

barry.moore23

Oh dear. Best vibes from us to Evan.

Ryder

Jeez, this is awful. Wish the best and doesn’t become more susceptible to concussions later on

Todd Macallan

The main concern with concussions is basically not getting multiple in short succession, allowing each to fully recover, so him having the whole summer ahead bodes very well for his recovery going forward.

Scungilli Slushy

Bouch and the Dul have to start taking self protection more seriously. There are things that happen, and there is knowing who is on the ice and not getting in a position to get hurt, turning off hits. It’s typical for top players to do that so they can keep playing, as in always

Scungilli Slushy

He is, but this is significant injury 2 in a couple of months. Bouch isn’t alone, but teams and or players go after the talent. Makar was affected again. For me rolling the dice that they can stay healthy is too reliant on luck. I would being trying to mitigate somehow

rev.hans

I didn’t think it was unusual. With the exception of Samanski, none of the players were chosen for the Olympics, so a chance to compete for country. Also, perhaps a way to wash out the bad taste of how the season ended? And for Bouchard, the bad taste of the Norris miss —and to show his stuff away from McD.
I would have thought Worlds a safe place to play; sad for Bouch that he got hurt. Head injuries are strange, and profound, especially for cerebral athletes, like him. This is, literally, about unplugging the controller. May his summer be gentle, and his fall, too.

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