The Measure of a Man

by Lowetide

This won’t be an ordinary day, and that’s as it should be. This northern city had its heart broken in two late yesterday afternoon when news of Joey Moss passing became official, and it’s going to take some time for this community to gather itself.

When I heard the news, it took me back to Dave Semenko, and the shock of his passing. I can’t imagine this city without Joey Moss, and things still don’t feel right with Semenko gone. I have found in my life there are some things you never get over, you just learn to live with them. This is one of those times. We will never forget you, Joey Moss. Rest in peace.

THE JOEY MOSS (Sept 21, 2010)

This is Joey Moss. His place in the history of the Edmonton Oilers is without question, but his “game” wasn’t on last season’s schedule. Not surprisingly, the team had their worst season. Moss has given 25 years of his life to the Oilers, and for many fans (my children included) is the most popular member of the entire organization. In a city crushed by disappointment on the sports pages in the last few years, Joey Moss remains the same today as he was 25 year ago: a winner.

Last year didn’t feel right from the moment I found out this game wasn’t going to happen. Sing the crap out of the anthem, Joey. And thank you for 25 years of serving the Oilers and the community. It is great to have your wonderful game back where it belongs. All the best.

The Lowdown will focus on the passing of Joey Moss this morning, beginning at 10, TSN1260. We are lining up several guests who knew Joey over the years and can pay tribute to one of Edmonton’s greatest citizens. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter if you would like to share your thoughts.

THE ATHLETIC!

I’m proud to be writing for The Athletic, and pleased to be part of a great team with Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis. Here is our recent work.

PUCK IQ LEON LINE

Nugent-Hopkins

Draisaitl

Yamamoto

I keep trying to move this line around because it’s for your own good (Tippett knows best) but holy lord these Puck IQ numbers rhyme.

Draisaitl’s numbers (like McDavid) against elite and gritensity bins are excellent and solid, respectfully. Middle opposition? There’s struggle there but he was 48 percent against the middle opp, certainly not a mortal wound.

Yamamoto’s sample size in all three bins is too small to make any sweeping statements about the future. It’s probably fair to see these numbers are unlikely to repeat, but you could let a lot of air out of these tires and still have a fantastic player.

Nuge is pretty evenly deployed in the three bins, Dave Tippett rolled him over consistently among the three levels of competition. Nuge and his line outscored all three levels, but dominated only the gritensity group in possession. A full year with Leon and Yamamoto should improve that number. We’ll look at Connor McDavid’s line tomorrow.

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Bling

The key to keeping the RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto line together may be Puljujarvi, and whether he is able to step in and play with McDavid at the mid-season mark.

In many ways, JP is ideally suited to that spot — big frame, good skater, big shot, and the defensive chops to put the 97 line over 55% GF.

I am optimistic. We have yet to see JP in NA action following surgery for his wonky hips. If the internet is to believed, this will be his first full season in which he will be fully recovered.

Another reason for optimism is that Joel Armia put up 10 G 9 A in 57 GP as a 23 year old, a 27 point pace. JP has outscored him at every level and was the better draft day talent.

Death By Misadventure

Damn. What crap news to wake up to. Was going to ask a question about the third line and JP, but I’ll save it for another day.

Thanks for all the memories Joey. Your place on the bench will never be taken.

GB&Q

Just a great human being, and from all accounts the person who’d be the first there with a kind word or a hand on your shoulder if you were feeling sad or troubled.

On a day like today, no doubt he’d be exactly what we needed.

RIP Joey. 😞

London Jon

So, so sad to hear the news this morning.

A jersey with Moss on it needs to go up into the rafters.

Elgin R

As we age, things that have been constants in our lives for what seems forever do move along. Joey with the Oilers was not just a ‘feel good’ story. He brought out the best in the players and all that he touched. He will be missed by many, myself included.

Suggestion: Joey Moss – first induction into the Oilers ‘Ring of Honour’

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McDavid has show that he drives play irrespective of who his wingers are. The DRY line was the best line the NHL during their short time together. As the goal is to win games, then to maximize the GF-GA numbers, 97 will take the opposition’s best leaving the DRY line to decimate their opposition. McDavid is the best player in the NHL, so it is Tippet’s job to maximize his use to the Oilers. If that means Leon wins the Art Ross – so be it. The ultimate goal is to win the Stanley and for an Oiler player to win the Conn Smyth.

N64

Also good to remember Joey’s works with the Esks and beyond sports. Not just a one sport guy, our Edmonton guy:

The entire Edmonton Football Team organization is deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Joey. We extend our heartfelt condolences to the Moss family. Edmonton lost a hero today. Joey’s bravery, humor, strength, work ethic and perseverance in our dressing room and in our community left indelible impressions that will live with us all. More than that, Joey endeared himself to everyone in our province, our country and beyond, no matter who they were. He was a symbol of what true teamwork is comprised of and we are all better for having known him. He touched us all.

On behalf of everyone at Winnifred Stewart Association and Foundation, we are deeply saddened by the news of Joey’s passing. Joey and his family have been involved with the Winnifred Stewart Association for so many years, and he has touched the hearts of us all. Joey was an inspiration to many and was an ambassador for people with developmental disabilities. This loss will be felt far and wide, and we are so grateful for the time we had with him. Our deepest sympathy goes out to Joey’s family, his friends and all of Edmonton during this difficult time

freeconnor

It’s an incalculable loss.

It’s impossible to imagine a world without him.

He was an inspiration to all of us and the one constant to the organisation throughout.

Biblical crying and gnashing of teeth here.

No question that something needs to be raised to rafters for him.

hags9k

Condolences to the Moss family and the city of Edmonton. Thank you Joey for showing the rest of us how teamwork is done, with dedication and heart.

dustrock

What a fucking shitty-ass year it’s been.

Rest in Peace, Joey. You were a hero.

flyfish1168

You may be gone but never forgotten. Rest in peace.

godot10

dustrock:
What a fucking shitty-ass year it’s been.

Rest in Peace, Joey.You were a hero.

The year isn’t over. Next year is likely to be worse..

Fourth Turning’s are going to turn, turn, and turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4

Brantford Boy

Heavy heart today… browsing Twitter online which I never do and seeing Joey’s iconic photos from the past… I remember most like yesterday, what a great human being.

Once an Oiler, always an Oiler!

RIP Mosser!

OriginalPouzar

Do those numbers shows that Yamamoto made a material positive impact in the possession numbers that helped to drive the crazy goal share?

Sierra

Joey was an inspiration, a difference maker in life who by all accounts lived his best life and was loved by so many. RIP and thanks for the memories.

OriginalPouzar

Bling:
The key to keeping the RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto line together may be Puljujarvi, and whether he is able to step in and play with McDavid at the mid-season mark.

In many ways, JP is ideally suited to that spot — big frame, good skater, big shot, and the defensive chops to put the 97 line over 55% GF.

I am optimistic. We have yet to see JP in NA action following surgery for his wonky hips. If the internet is to believed, this will be his first full season in which he will be fully recovered.

Another reason for optimism is that Joel Armia put up 10 G 9 A in 57 GP as a 23 year old, a 27 point pace. JP has outscored him at every level and was the better draft day talent.

While I agree that Jesse definitely has a shot to become a McDavid winger over the course of the up coming season (and in to the future) but, unless we are talking about moving him over to his off-wing, I think the key to keeping the Drai line together is finding a non-Nuge left winger that can play with McDavid and be a 2-way presence helping plug the GA leak.

Bar_Qu

I don’t post here anymore, too many great voices and I just need to listen more, but I thought I would add my 2 cents today. The death of Joey Moss was very upsetting. I don’t have a personal story that adds to his lore, just that for an Oilers fan growing up in Calgary, he was as important for my identification of the team as a Marchant, a Smyth or any of the other Oilers.

His death is a crying shame. Emphasis on crying.

GB&Q

OriginalPouzar,

i’d actually like to see Yamo get a crack with McDavid (speed), and Jesse to line up beside Drai (could you imagine those two big bodies working their magic?!)

leadfarmer

Athletic power rankings has us at 12; flames at 13
Canucks are at 19

Scungilli Slushy

Rest In Peace Joey.

A model for all of us.

An eternal bright spot in the organization and city.

SpotTheLoon

I remember Joey when I worked as game night staff for the Oilers in the late 80s and early 90s. He was always such a character and welcoming presence in the dressing room. He always had a smile on his face and a slap on the back for you. The only time I would see him upset was if you walked on the dressing room carpet that he had just vacuumed. I was really saddened to hear of his passing and consider myself fortunate for having had the chance to meet him. His memory will live on. Rest easy, Joey, and thank you.

buck yoakam

RIP Joey…definitely an oiler icon!…sad news for sure..you will be missed sir!..I think Gretsky went out with his sister Vickie who was a singer around big E in the early years.

Elgin R

Lowetide: Is this with Brogran Rafferty?

That’s future HHOF inductee Brogan Rafferty to you LT. When the Canucks eventually call him up during the 2024/25 playoffs he will be well seasoned in Utica and ready to go!

Material Elvis

Scungilli Slushy:
Rest In Peace Joey.

A model for all of us.

An eternal bright spot in the organization and city.

+1. He will be missed.

Shane

OriginalPouzar: While I agree that Jesse definitely has a shot to become a McDavid winger over the course of the up coming season (and in to the future) but, unless we are talking about moving him over to his off-wing, I think the key to keeping the Drai line together is finding a non-Nuge left winger that can play with McDavid and be a 2-way presence helping plug the GA leak.

OP, if Kassian is the second best player on the McDavid line then the line won’t work. So you need a non Nuge LW that helps the line as the second best player. Now, if Puljujarvi can develop into that 1RW and become the second best player on the McDavid line than you need a less material LW to be the ‘third best player on the line’ like, say, Ennis. Kassian does not need to be stapled to Connor.

This would result in keeping the second line together and pushing Kassian into a more suited bottom six role. And that would, IMO, maximize our roster.

RIP Joey.

BONE207

Ahhh…I remember it well.
Barry T’s after the 1988 cup winning game. Joey bursts into the bathroom & starts high fiving everyone. Me thinking, let the boys wash their hands first. He made everyone happy.

OriginalPouzar

Fun article here re: McLeods experience in Switzerland.

Sounds like he may be forced to eat better (if he can’t figure out the McDonalds drive through or get his hand on his favourite sauces…..)

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/ryan-and-akils-excellent-adventure

Brantford Boy

buck yoakam: Gretsky

“Gretzky”…

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer:
Athletic power rankings has us at 12; flames at 13
Canucks are at 19

All three rated as “bubble teams”.

In fact, both Oilers and Flames had the same 6.8 rating.

Interesting that 42% of voters rated the Canucks a “dark horse” to be better but only 27% rated the Oilers there and 19% had the Flames as a dark horse.

The Canucks taking out the Blues in the play-in and only being one period way from the conference final seems to have influenced voters.

OriginalPouzar

GB&Q:
OriginalPouzar,

i’d actually like to see Yamo get a crack with McDavid (speed), and Jesse to line up beside Drai (could you imagine those two big bodies working their magic?!)

I presume that over the course of the season and/or years we will see each of the deployments but, for me, at this point Drai/Yama and McDavid/Jesse make more sense just given history and performance together in the past (and Drai constantly praising Yama and how he likes to play with him).

Harpers Hair

Lowetide: Is this with Brogran Rafferty?

It appears four rookies will be competing for two spots in the bottom pairing.

Juolevi, Rafferty, Rathbone and Chatfield.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: All three rated as “bubble teams”.

In fact, both Oilers and Flames had the same 6.8 rating.

Interesting that 42% of voters rated the Canucks a “dark horse” to be better but only 27% rated the Oilers there and 19% had the Flames as a dark horse.

The Canucks taking out the Blues in the play-in and only being one period way from the conference final seems to have influenced voters.

Influenced to a 19th place ranking

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer: Influenced to a 19th place ranking

I was talking about the ‘dark horse” rankings.

#toobin

London Jon

SpotTheLoon:
I remember Joey when I worked as game night staff for the Oilers in the late 80s and early 90s.He was always such a character and welcoming presence in the dressing room.He always had a smile on his face and a slap on the back for you.The only time I would see him upset was if you walked on the dressing room carpet that he had just vacuumed.I was really saddened to hear of his passing and consider myself fortunate for having had the chance to meet him.His memory will live on.Rest easy, Joey, and thank you.

I get the sense you have a lot of interesting stories that you could tell…

London Jon

I, for one, would be very grateful if we didn’t go down the usual Canucks > Oilers etc etc etc etc rabbit hole of sadness today…

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: I was talking about the ‘dark horse” rankings.

#toobin

You must have missed the top line of Edmonton Oilers
Closest to bonafide

geowal

London Jon:
I, for one, would be very grateful if we didn’t go down the usual Canucks > Oilers etc etc etc etc rabbit hole of sadness today…

Agreed. All references to should be ban-able offences costing a woodguy to a Moss-related charity to recover from:
http://edmontonoilers.com/Joey

defmn

From ‘far away and long ago’ to ‘here and now & close by’ the messages tell a story we can all learn from.

Sam Gagner
@89SGagner
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19h
The best man I’ve ever met. I have so many great memories of our time together and I cherish every single one of them. A true legend. Rest In Peace, Joey.

Connor McDavid
@cmcdavid97
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18h
With the greatest of all-time… and #99. Oil Country sure won’t be the same without you, Joey. Thanks for always brightening up any day and may you rest easy my friend.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
@RNH_93
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18h
Heavy heart today. Had the pleasure of calling you my friend for nine years. Edmonton won’t be the same without you. Love ya Joey. Rest In Peace.

Milan Lucic
@27MilanLucic
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20h
RIP Joey
One of the best people I’ve had the pleasure to be around in hockey

Cam Talbot
@ctalbot33
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20h
There was nothing better than coming off the ice after a huge win to a Joey Moss high five on the bench. His energy and passion for the game were infectious and made you want to come to the rink everyday. He truly was a legend and will be greatly missed. #RIPJoeyMoss #Legend

New York Rangers
@NYRangers
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20h
The New York Rangers are saddened to learn of the passing of Joey Moss – legendary member of the Edmonton Oilers family. We send our deepest and most heartfelt condolences to the Oilers organization and to the many friends and family of Joey.

Pat Maroon
@patmaroon
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20h
R.I.P Joey Moss
Broken heart
you will be missed. I’m going to miss all those laughs we shared together. I know I’ve been gone for a few years but always thought of you. Till I see you again moser

https://instagram.com/p/CG090EJDko7/

Jarret Stoll
@jarretstoll
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19h
Joey you were a special man..this was one of our many dinner parties during the ‘06 playoffs. He always made our day from the second we walked into the locker room..you will be missed by so many everyday. Rest easy Jo Mo

Max Domi
@maxdomi
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19h
When you think of the Edmonton Oilers… names like Gretzky, Messier, Coffey and McDavid come to mind. Joey Moss is right there with them. He is a Canadian legend and a true inspiration to all of us. My thoughts and prayers are with his family. Rest In Peace Joey.

Sean Burke
@SBurkie1
·
20h
RIP Joey Moss @EdmontonOilers
One of the people you always looked forward to seeing when playing in Edmonton. A pure soul he will be missed.

Joaquin Gage
@JoaquinGage31
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19h
After practice one day I was told I was going down to the minors. Sitting in my stall with my head in my hands I felt an arm around me, it’s was Joey. He told me, “Keep working hard and you will be back up here in no time.” In a way only Joey could. #RIPJoeyMoss

Dallas Eakins
@dallaseakins
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19h
We are heartbroken to learn of the passing of Joey Moss. He always found a way to put a smile on our faces and remind us what was really important. He went out of his way to make others feel great. The memories of Joey will continue to inspire me. Condolences to the Moss family.

ToddMarchant22
@MarchantTodd
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21h
So saddened to hear that Joey Moss passed away. In all my years in EDM he always brought a smile to your face. From singing the Anthem to vacuuming the locker room to folding towels or watching a James Bond movie he will be missed. Once and Oiler Always an Oiler. RIP Joey.

Bling

OriginalPouzar: While I agree that Jesse definitely has a shot to become a McDavid winger over the course of the up coming season (and in to the future) but, unless we are talking about moving him over to his off-wing, I think the key to keeping the Drai line together is finding a non-Nuge left winger that can play with McDavid and be a 2-way presence helping plug the GA leak.

That idea of switching JP to his off-wing reminded me of something that I’ve been wondering about for awhile.

Why is it that we don’t see many, many more players playing off-wing in the offensive zone? It’s common in Europe. I understand it makes zone exits harder, but you also have the C and guys can move around.

Off-wing forwards have:

A) More options to pass the puck
B) More opportunities to pass on their forehand
C) Better shooting angles
D) Better one-timer opportunities
E) Are more dangerous on net drive plays

To me, this more than outweighs making a few more plays on your backhand on the end boards. Most of the time it’s a chip play to the streaking C, an area pass to the opposite wing, or it’s muscled out along the boards.

It’s a completely different scenario with D-men, who often need to make a precise pass under duress when outletting.

If I’m a coach and I have a volume shooter, in particular, I would want that guy on his off-wing as much as possible, ala Ovechkin.

It would be interesting to look at peripheral shots (outside the box), and compare shooting percentages with on and off wing shooting attempts. Or frequency of one-timer events (which I suspect correlate with a higher shooting percentage).

Just as an anecdotal example, a top of the circle shot from an off wing player seems much more dangerous than one from a guy on his proper wing.

buck yoakam

defmn,

Thanks for these thoughts…much appreciated

OriginalPouzar

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
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42m
OHL GM’s will virtually meet tomorrow. It’s expected the league will announce a Feb 4th season start. Training camps are expected to open Jan 25th. Eight team playoff also expected to be unveiled.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar:
Fun article here re: McLeods experience in Switzerland.

Sounds like he may be forced to eat better (if he can’t figure out the McDonalds drive through or get his hand on his favourite sauces…..)

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/ryan-and-akils-excellent-adventure

This is what almost everyone experiences when moving to a different country. It takes individuals different amounts of time to adjust. Even if there aren’t language barriers there are subtle differences as in going from a high school environment to university and other social differences. It is real and should be taken into consideration when looking at athletic performances. See Dylan Holloway. He also went from playing against his own age group to playing against men. There is an adjustment period.

pts2pndr

Harpers Hair: All three rated as “bubble teams”.

In fact, both Oilers and Flames had the same 6.8 rating.

Interesting that 42% of voters rated the Canucks a “dark horse” to be better but only 27% rated the Oilers there and 19% had the Flames as a dark horse.

The Canucks taking out the Blues in the play-in and only being one period way from the conference final seems to have influenced voters.

If only they hadn’t gotten worse. Goal tending and D both with a down grade could be problematic for a team that had problems in the regular season and happened to catch lightning in a bottle for a short period.

Halfwise

defmn,

Suddenly got a bit dusty in here.

OriginalPouzar

Elgin R:

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McDavid has show that he drives play irrespective of who his wingers are.The DRY line was the best line the NHL during their short time together.As the goal is to win games, then to maximize the GF-GAnumbers, 97 will take the opposition’s best leaving the DRY line to decimate their opposition.McDavid is the best player in the NHL, so it is Tippet’s job to maximize his use to the Oilers.If that means Leon wins the Art Ross – so be it.The ultimate goal is to win the Stanley and for an Oiler player to win the Conn Smyth.

McDavid has indeed shown that he drives offence irrespective of who his wingers are but I don’t agree that he drives the player necessarily regardless of who his wingers are.

He didn’t win the goal share battle in 2020 and, if we are honest with ourselves, there is no way this team has real success if McDavid isn’t well above 50% in the goal share.

Without looking, I believe his dominance in possession metrics has reduced over the last few years as well.

The Oilers had great success in 2020 but, it was driven by (a) special teams dominance and (b) the Nuge/Drai/Yamamoto line running at 77% goal share. I think both are unsustainable but for sure the goal share of that line.

While the 3rd line should be much closer to 50% goal share this coming year (and the Sheahan line(s) did get caved), the team still needs both McDavid and Drai to be well over 50%, likely over 55% going forward.

McDavid doesn’t need help with GF but if he’s got Kassian on one wing, a poor defensive and board player, he needs help on the other wing in order to not leak on the GA.

At least that’s what we’ve seen lately.

Holloway seems like the perfect skill set for McDavid’s LW but that’s 2, 3, 4 years away.

OriginalPouzar

Elgin R: That’s future HHOF inductee Brogan Rafferty to you LT.When the Canucks eventually call him up during the 2024/25 playoffs he will be well seasoned in Utica and ready to go!

but, but, but what if Utica needs him in 2024/25 for their pursuit of a Calder Cup – I read that is what inhibited his call-up this year……

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: This is what almost everyone experiences when moving to a different country. It takes individuals different amounts of time to adjust. Even if there aren’t language barriers there are subtle differences as in going from a high school environment to university and other social differences. It is real and should be taken into consideration when looking at athletic performances. See Dylan Holloway. He also went from playing against his own age group to playing against men. There is an adjustment period.

A bit off-topic but I couldn’t be more excited for Wisconsin to start their season in just over a few weeks. The snippets that Wheeler put together really made me excited for this player – as a teenage rookie in college he was able to physically dominate in battles – combine that with the fact that he will get stronger and his speed and skill and, from accounts, work ethic and smarts, I can see him taking a huge step in college this year.

Material Elvis

Harpers Hair:

The Canucks taking out the Blues in the play-in and only being one period way from the conference final seems to have influenced voters.

Classic recency bias. They must have overlooked Demko’s unsustainably high save percentage.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: but, but, but what if Utica needs him in 2024/25 for their pursuit of a Calder Cup – I read that is what inhibited his call-up this year……

Where did you hear that?

He wasn’t called up because the Canucks had no injuries at RD.

Of note…the Oilers DID have injuries at RD but rather than call up Evan Bouchard they spent a draft pick on a broken Mike Green rather than call up Bouchard.

Must have been gunning for the AHL playoffs 🙂

OriginalPouzar

Ilya Kovalchuk, apx 1.5 P/60 last year, great possession numbers and massive goal share (65%) – potentially zoomed by Danault. Love Montreal and playing is a “hockey market”.