Real, Real Gone

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CruJones

NURSE ICED THE PUCK IN A PRESEASON GAME!

Is this really where we’re at now?

gwdsfo

Brown apparently sucks. He should not have been signed much less to a three-year deal. He will eventually be waived this week or later. If fans have their way, he will be jettisoned into the Sun b/c of his three-year contract. Very disappointed the Oil won’t be making an appearance in the SFBA until April 2025. And the Condors won’t be making their first appearance at Tech CU until Dec 21st. What gives and why are the Oil and Condors schedulers holding back their love for the Bay Area?

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gwdsfo

PS. There are no trans players on either the Cuda or Sharks that I’m aware of.

The Great One

Broberg 1G 1A +3 as the Blues beat the Stars 4-3 in OT.

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DexandRuby

Look man, we get it, you need someone to take out your frustrations on. Just bring your dishes up from the basement, save everyone the trouble.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Better get used to it now after just about every STL game. Broberg is going to kill it this season while our D looks questionable. And on days Broberg doesn’t fill the stats sheet, well, Holloway may be there to take up the slack. TGO is going to be serving shit salad all year long. Pretty much guaranteed.

OriginalPouzar

Broberg 1G 1A +3 as the Blues beat the Stars 4-3 in OT.uin an exhibition game….

godot10

Broberg led the OIlers D in plus minus during the Stanley Cup finals.

OriginalPouzar

Broberg was 2-1 goals that don’t reflect his underlying numbers.

My goodness, +/-,l really?

Scungilli Slushy

Well if any of you folks pouring salt were pro Holland, you should come clean, because the Oilers are reaping the rewards of his decisions and abilities

SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo!

The shiv is out!

Sierra

You should discuss this on a Blues forum.

OriginalPouzar

Stauff says that Lavoie’s LBI is “skatebite”.

Scungilli Slushy

I’d be wearing cut proof gear after so many recently

Melman

I’d be surprised if the cut proof socks would help with skatebite. I’ve had it, it sucks – not sure you can do much but take days off to let the skin calm down.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Good time to develop carbon-fibre hockey-socks.

Tarkus

Summarizing!

Neither Akey nor Wakely are in their respective lineups tonight. Well then.

winchester

The fast horses left with McLeod and Foegele. Followed by Broberg and Holloway.

Very unfortunate.

This bottom six is not fast. And they don’t have much bite. I see one good line that should be able to outscore. Penalty Kill looks okay. But the final line should bring something that the other team needs to worry about. Outscore, speed, size, something. Maybe the key is two good penalty kill wingers so McDavid can double shift .

Scungilli Slushy

They lost speed. They lost physicality in Holloway. Bro and Holloway have potential but we’ll see. McLeod and Foegele are streaky scorers and got rolled twice in playoffs in GF%

I think change was necessary. First steps hopefully breaking into a sprint

winchester

Change was necessary. And the offer sheet is what it is. Nobody to fault here.

my post is pointing out the obvious, this particularly team
lost speed, and only managed to grab Polkozin. I like the bet, but is it enough?

Mayan Oil

Also grabbed Skinner and Arvidsson, in case you forgot.

Scungilli Slushy

Holland is at fault for the offer sheets. His process toward a cup lead to it. The forward group is better, and the two wingers are both good skaters and better players. But they aren’t around for long …..

Reja

Looks like Cowan is making the Leafs this is good news for O’Reilly and Nicholl. If O’Reilly pops with the added opportunity who’s to say he’s not a Oiler at this time next year.

ArmchairGM

Cowan is a winger, having him return to London would be better for O’Reilly. More skill to play with. Sportsnet thinks Cowan will be sent out today. I don’t think he’s made the Leafs roster just yet.

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1952barry

If Dermott and Gleason are better thab Brown…

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

I know. And probably Kemp too. The infuriating thing is that hockey orgs have a real difficult time admitting mistakes and cutting their losses. The ability to move on from an impaired asset is just not how they are wired.

winchester

Any thought on Tyson Barrie? Or has he signed now?

winchester

I see the answer was written below.

cowboy bill

You need to remember that Brown is 6’5″, 220 lbs. And is an RHD. There is some value there. Dermott and Gleason are undersized and LHD.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

Brown is 6’5″, 220 lbs and RHD … but has a history of not being very good at actually playing D. For a guy fighting for a job, he looks overmatched as a 3rd pairing D, and at this point in his career, there is no reason to believe he has any upside. Kemp is 6’3″, 205 lbs and RHD. Gleason plays both sides, I believe.

The Oil are not the only team with a shortage of RHD. It’s pretty common. Other teams make it work. Maybe one of the $9M men needs to play their offside to make the overall D better. Whatever the answer, I don’t see Brown as being a part of it.

jp

at this point in his career, there is no reason to believe he has any upside

Let’s not get too crazy throwing around upside though. Kemp is 25 and Gleason 26. Five career NHL games between them.

Decidedly Skeptical Fan

I agree. Forget about upside. Neither has had their baptism by fire so we really don’t know what we have there, no? Just like waiting until the playoffs last year with Broberg when the D was struggling for good parts of the year. The decision-making process for this org can be so frustrating. I don’t know how the analytics department keeps their sanity.

OriginalPouzar

Broberg had the worst CF%, FF%, Expected goal share in the playoffs among all the Oilers defence.

His expected goals where under 35%….

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Decidedly Skeptical Fan

I know. Broberg shouldn’t have seen any NHL ice time at all during the regular season. Single-handedly drug the whole D down during the playoff run. Glad he’s gone. Oil won’t miss him at all. What was STL thinking signing him to an offer sheet? What a bunch of knuckleheads in that front office. Right?

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OriginalPouzar

Yup – that’s what what my post said by providing facts on the exaggerated post-season performance.

Scungilli Slushy

Bro’s contribution in playoffs was driven by goalie. He was better than those he replaced because of skating and puck movement

I see him as being good at that and having good stats, I’m not convinced he will be a defensive stalwart though. Maybe like a Hamilton type. Not sure he’ll stay healthy either

Sierra

How much of that was because he was playing with Nurse.

OriginalPouzar

Broberg was worse than Nurse…..

Mayan Oil

Big is nice, but you have to GET there on time to make a play or it is useless.

Melman

While I appreciate the angst about Brown, I’m somewhat surprised that Rodrigue’s play hasn’t stirred more concern around these parts. Particularly, as stirring concern is the daily wash here.

I get that he’s not supposed to be NHL ready yet, but he’s the #3. After his past 2 AHL seasons I wasn’t expecting his pre-season best game % to be 0.864 against a meh Kraken squad. I’ve only seen highlights so far and he looks…small and not so good.

The 3rd string goalie I’d suggest is way more of a worry than Brown no? The team doesn’t HAVE to play Brown if there’s an injury on D.
Happy to be informed on why Rodrigue doesn’t have the smart folks reaching for the Pepto

godot10

They signed Delia.

Rodrigue has an established level of play over two seasons. The Oiler preseason defense is a 3rd pairing tryout fest with tweeners and forward work effort on defense has sucked.

Reja

He looked like a startled doe caught in the headlights he plays way to deep in his net. If this is all we have in the pipeline somebody needs to be held accountable.

cowboy bill

Don’t worry he isn’t all they have in the pipeline.

jp

If this is all we have in the pipeline somebody needs to be held accountable.

Lol.

Everyone’s already been fired or let go Reja.

cowboy bill

Rodrique won’t see any NHL games.

Reja

Who’s next in line if Pickard or Skinner get hurt?

CruJones

Campbell was the best Oiler last preseason. How’d that work out?

The Great One

@PuckPedia

Expecting #Flames to sign RD Tyson Barrie for 1 year $1.25M. 

Was on PTO (tryout). 

The Great One

Done deal.

Flames now with 5 RD on the roster.

Scungilli Slushy

Caft Drapital

They will move at least one at the deadline

The Great One

I expect it will be Andersson for a first plus a bunch.

Reja

A bunch of what failed prospects. Andersson hasn’t been the same since his moped mishap.

ArmchairGM

Only if other GM’s haven’t been paying attention to Andersson’s defensive play over the past couple of years. He’s overwhelmed playing 2nd pairing comp.

The Great One

Moneypuck is out with its season predictions.

https://moneypuck.com/predictions.htm

Oilers with best odds to win the cup at 12%.

Dallas second at 9.8%.

Side

I’m surprised Dallas is second since they lost renowned defensive savant Jani… *checks notes* Hakanpaa to the Leafs. You would think Leafs would be second instead.

The Great One

Predicted point totals in the Pacific:

EDM 108.6
VCR 101.7
VGK 98.5
LAK 97.1
SEA 90.7
CGY 83.9
ANA 73.6
SJS 67.0

San Jose in the pole position for another 1st overall pick.

John Chambers

I think Seattle will surprise and make the playoffs. I’d take the over on them.

The Great One

Not a bad bet.

I would do the same with Utah.

Moneypuck has them at 85 points and 6th in the Central.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish ahead of Minnesota and Winnipeg.

John Chambers

They’ll be much better. The players will thrive off the buzz in the city.

But the Central is a murderer’s row. Utah doesn’t have the depth to compete.

The Great One

They need Logan Cooley to pop as a #1C.

If he does, they have Barrett Hayden at #2C and a bunch of young but high end wingers in Clayton Keller, Dylan Guenther, Matias Macelli and Josh Doan.

Might be bit early but the talent is certainly there.

John Chambers

20 year old 5’10” 174 Logan Cooley

Not this year

The Great One

20 goals and 44 points as a 19 years old on a very poor team.

GF% 51.18

Wouldn’t surprise me if he hits 30 and 65 points this season now that Utah has added several puck moving D and an elite PP QB.

OriginalPouzar

Barrett Hayton

Reja

I agree they have a pipeline of talent Bowman needs sniff around and grab a player that could pop.

The Great One

And offer them what?

They have $20 million in cap space which will accrue to a small fortune at the deadline.

Reja

Kane would definitely be a veteran leader for the young group.

The Great One

Utah has Liam O’Brien to get rowdy if necessary.

6’1″ 215.

153 penalty minutes last season.

CruJones

If your number one centre has 65 points, you don’t have a number one centre.

The Great One

https://x.com/2muttshockeypod/status/1841849357764837648?s=61

It sounds like the #LetsGoOilers & Travis Dermott are in talks about signing a deal as of this morning. Let’s follow this situation. 

Josh Brown is an interesting story to follow, he signed a 3 year deal & he bought a new house in EDM a few weeks ago. The Coaching staff is high on him. Good guy & good character. We can’t see him going to the AHL yet..

Ty Emberson hasn’t stood out in a huge way for the job to be his but he will play with Nurse on Friday night in VAN from our understanding. 

The Oilers blue line is still very much a talking point & will continue to be until something comes along for them to upgrade it, the sense is that this could happen sooner than later. Waiting till March isn’t likely. Having a strong start is very important.

Sierra

Why don’t you use quotes so we know all of your post is from 2 Mutts and are not your own words???

DexandRuby

I’m chill. Not making any judgment on anyone until the games actually matter. The only thing I know for sure is there’s a lot I don’t know. Preseason was dead to me after Ty Rattie.

I can’t wait! But wait is what I’ll do.

Reja

Preseason means diddly squat especially after the short offseason. The team was chasing all last season with a chip on their shoulders. This year it’s going to be all business head down ass up mentality.

The Great One

https://x.com/iwantadonair/status/1841853509102403761?s=61

A different side of Connor McDavid, we rarely get to see. #NHLPrime #LetsGoOilers 

(click for video)

Todd Macallan

Today’s post almost perfectly coinciding with the 20 year anniversary of the release of Tom Waits’ Real Gone. Coincidence? I think not.

Eh Team

It’s a Van Morrison reference

SVR

Haven’t heard anything on Lavoie’s status the last couple of days. Hopefully he’s healthy enough to play tomorrow and can show well enough to earn an opportunity

Having a League minimum signed Dermott, Lavoie, and Philp on the roster over Brown, Perry, and Ryan saves 725k on the cap while quite possibly improving the line up

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

Another day, another free pass for the VGK.

Reja

This opens up a loop hole it’s a copycat league.

The Great One

https://x.com/friedgehnic/status/1841862028505342117?s=61

NHL/NHLPA have reached an agreement on Robin Lehner/Vegas. 

Simplest way to put it is this: Lehner’s contract will not count against the cap, but he will still be paid his salary. 

“Unique situation,” as all sides have indicated

The Great One

https://x.com/knightswatchvgk/status/1841863202130550856?s=61

What people don’t seem to realize is that Vegas could have terminated his contract the second he misses his physical. He was never going to be on their books, and Vegas didn’t have to pay him a dime. But they elected to play nice with the player and the PA

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

What you don’t seem to realize it that if Vegas had terminated his contract, with prior knowledge of whatever situation is being deemed unique, they would soil their reputation among players.

They are agreeing to pay him, to look out for their future ability to attract players; and for that they should not get a cap break.

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Side

When a workplace terminates an employee, often the severance is greater than what the employer actually owes the employee. It’s not because the employer is being nice, it’s because they want to avoid a situation where the employee goes after them for lost wages or something similar.

Anyone thinking Vegas did this out of the kindness of their hearts is fooling themselves.

Justthestatsman

Wow, that’s crazy. The NHLPA got their wish as their guy still gets paid and VGK has some extra money to spend. I wonder what the other 31 management teams are thinking right now? This seems even more sketchy than the LTIR shenanigans. Boooooo!

Skippy - the bush kangaroo

Yep, for me it should be LTIR or Player Assistance Program; or if Vegas is as cutthroat as they like to advertise, terminated contract.

Paying him off the books, without cap or contract implications is BS.

jdhardy

Especially if there was a bit of “wink wink nudge nudge” prior to him missing his physical or whatever. Which, being Vegas, there almost certainly was.

ArmchairGM

You can’t put a player on LTIR if he won’t report to camp for a physical though.

And the Player Assistance Program
is voluntary. You can’t force a player into the program.

I think terminating a player’s contract if they refuse to report (as was the case with Lehner) is pretty standard.

The Great One

https://x.com/puckpedia/status/1841873583703720229?s=61

With Lehner coming off #VegasBorn cap per @FriedgeHNIC & @frank_seravalli, they have $1.46M Projected Cap Space with 23 active players (13F/8D/2G).

Assuming no roster moves all year, this could fit additional annual cap hit of $6.7M at trade deadline

McNuge93

We all know it will be more like 16 mil after Stone is put on LTIR

The Great One

The biggest need for Vegas is scoring off the wings.

They should be able to address that at the deadline.

Side

If you believe Vegas is not gaming the LTIR system, surely you would think their biggest need is for the team to remain healthy, no?

Reja

Who’s going to tell the Mob what they can and can’t do. Gary’s been around a long time for a reason.

OriginalPouzar

2 Mutts saying that the Oilers are in contract talks with Dermott right now. They also say that they believe the coaching staff is high on Brown and can’t see him going to the AHL yet.

ArmchairGM

the coaching staff is high

There certainly is evidence of that.

northerndancer

Keeping Brown in the lineup allows for management to have more leverage on Dermott and his agent. Sending Brown down does not. Plus, sending Brown down now means one less option if he is claimed (highly unlikely but possible) and Dermott doesn’t sign. Patience is more important to management.

Boil-in-the-Oil

I would literally dare (and frankly encourage) any team to claim him.

1952barry

really? lefage with Dermott? He’s likely in the 800,000 range

OriginalPouzar

So, Oilers management and coaching have to decide if they want to win the Stanley Cup or play men who are devoted to keeping the sacred heart of the rugged soul of Oilers physical hockey at Curt Brackenbury levels. It’s a simple choice. The Oilers can make the other team bleed.

All it costs is goals.

I think what is missing is noting that playing a guy like Josh Brown, which seems likely to cost goals, does not actually deter anything – at least not in my opinion.

Reja

No way he starts the year on the roster needs to get his reps in the AHL and be ready when needed.

OriginalPouzar

I think the smart play for the Oilers is to run their six best defensemen and avoid the urge to make a big, season defining acquisition on the blue. 

Agreed. Further, I am not as convinced as many that 2RD is a massive hole right now. Emberson was not a lock, and still isn’t a lock, to be able to perform in that spot but he was a reasonable bet. Nothing in exhibition season has changed that and, in fact, to my eye Emberson has been very good in the exhibition season. He gives up so little at 5 on 5. He has great defensive positioning and a very good stick – he can close gaps, move the puck and battle.

Emberson is 60% plus across the board in all metrics this exhibition season including like 64% expected goals. He’s under in actual goals but I don’t believe that to be indicative of his performance.

If anything, to me, he has propagated the possibility that he can play 2RD on this team and succeed.

Is that fair to Josh Brown? No. Brown brings a physical element and limited defensive acumen, so his performance so far this fall (he owns a 40 percent expected goal share) isn’t fab but if you were expecting Nick Lidstrom that’s on you. 

I think the org has been more than fair to Josh Brown – he has practiced with Kulak every skate and has played two games with him. Aside from the very first game, Brown has been overtly poor in all games.

He has been outplayed by Emberson, Stecher and Dermott.

It wouldn’t be fair to any of those three if Josh Brown was on the opening roster over them.

What should the Oilers do with Brown? Knoblauch should ignore those yelling that the key to the season is protecting the rugged soul of the team. He should eschew any notion of playing men who are not his six best defenders, beginning on opening night and going all season. It’s madness to worship at the alter of moar big when what you really need is faster horses and better reads. No disrespect to Brown, but he would be far better off with a team that played a button down style with forwards who closely resemble Patrik Elias in his prime.

I don’t think the ruggedness that Brown brings comes even close to being more beneficial than the uptick in actual ability to play hockey, defend and make plays that the other bubble d-men have shown as compared to Brown.

Waive him and assign him – he will make his $1MM to ride the bus and potentially earn a call-up with his play.

On merit, he does not make this team right now.

Elgin R

Brown is big and tough
Poor metrics for years in the NHL
Please, please send him down

Fuhrious

Hey OP, you may want to know that the word you’re looking for is promulgated, not propagated.

No offense meant of course, I’m just a word nerd.

Melman

from one word nerd to another – thanks for promulgate. I’m looking forward to using it on my kids…it’s been a few days since I got the eye roll 😂

McSorley33

We are going to miss Vinny.

Home grown prospect. Developed by the org. Great guy. Great teammate.

After a short hiatus, we have now resumed the annual Oiler tradition of obtaining one of the worst Dmen in the NHL.

Do we really need Willis to point out Brown was one of the worst Dmen in the league the last few years?

Brown turns 31 in January. This is who the player is. Who he always has been. There has been nothing new learned about his game the last few weeks.

The only question that needs to be asked is who are the keen intellects that – not just wanted Brown- but felt *compelled* to want to sign him to a 3 year deal.

Bowman needs to hold some people accountable.

Mayan Oil

Fully Buryable contract, and he has utility on the farm protecting the young uns. I have no problem keeping him on the farm at 1m for three years. If indeed we run into a rash of D injuries, he can be recalled for a short stint even if just to allow us a few days to find a more palatable solution

buck yoakam

love me some van the man!…heres that tune with added Canadian flavour..ha

https://youtu.be/pRDHApDmTuI?si=-obTyoBgn43NP7ZA

Gordoil

LowTide I think the fact that Brown has gotten so many reps us the fact he’s hasn’t yet made the team

McNuge93

There is an article on ON about Dermott and Coffey’s coaching. I’m going to cross my fingers that Brown is waived as there is low risk of waiver pickup. And trust that both Knob and Coffee, who value puck moving defensemen, will keep/sign Dermott. The other plus is Dermott can play both sides which is valuable as a depth defenseman.

godot10

Suddenly playing the offside does not matter. Where was that last year?

Side

I don’t think Lowetide’s comment section would have convinced Oilers management to play Broberg on his offside.

Sierra

Context matters

cowboy bill

Not making any excuses for Brown, but the goaltender was dreadful last night. A defenseman can only do so much, and the goaltender needs to stop the puck. Olie wasn’t a very good goalie last night. Brown wasn’t a great defender either, he’s clearly being shown up by the likes of Dermott, Stecher and Emberson. I get they want that big tough guy on the third pair, but he has to be a player as well. I’m disappointed in the signing. I believe they need to keep searching for that player.

However, in the meantime they have a trio of defensemen that are capable and up to task ready to fit in with the rest of the D corp. I believe they should have their 7 defensemen in tow. Now that that’s out of the way, there’s one more tune-up to go.

John Chambers

Exactly. The Oilers defense was fine last night. Rodrigue got 60 minutes against an NHL lineup that exposed the gaps in his game.

Brown will undoubtedly get games this season but he’s the new Ryan Murray, or Slater Koekkoek, or Nikita Nikitin. He’ll be relegated to the AHL until he’s needed.

cowboy bill

Maybe some other team will see something in him and claim him off waivers.

winchester

The Florida Panthers rugged soul beat the Edmonton Oilers superior skill.

You don’t go out and get a rugged player. Its built in. Its built into your roster and culture. Your mindset. Its determination. It is a never give up, never back down attitude. Tit for tat. Take a run at us and all hell breaks loose.

Oilers are a championship team. Couple of holes here and there. Ryan McLeod was a fine player, good for 82 games but had no jam for the playoffs. Oilers seen this and could not move him fast enough.

Florida faced similar problem, so they moved Huberdeau and Weegar for Thachuk. That was a bold move.

Evidence is that each playoffs, the top players cannot compete at 100% because of injury. It has been a difference maker. Add more skill and go back at it – will likely return similar results.

Oilers and Stanley are getting closer. Im all in. But to continue the firepower reference, the Oilers are not pointing their cannons the wrong way, they dont really have any cannons.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

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Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Your theory does not explain the Panthers winning this year and losing last year with the same roster.

godot10

Injuries.

Florida was also deeper last year.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Yes. My point exactly. Florida had a similarly rugged team two years in a row. They still ended up with significant injuries in year 2023. A rugged team is not less likely to get injuries to key players.

Melman

And Oilers had some players get Covid prior to game 7

Crazy Pedestrian

Seriously!? I have not heard of this. Source?

If true, that is even more depressing… Knowing that they may have won the cup if they had played the final game one day earlier.

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Darryl8843

It seems in the early days Brown will be the new whipping boy.

cowboy bill

If that’s the case, he might just become that ornery SOB the team needs.

DevilsLettuce

I’m going to trust the coach that brought us a 16 game winning streak, and within 1 win from hoisting the Stanley.

The mere suggestion of Knob and Eakins in the same realm of coaching is absolutely asinine imo. The disrespect is unbelievable, the Oilers are short 1 defender maybe.

See how it plays out, trust the best coach this franchise has had in years, or lose all sense of self composure over Josh Brown lol.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Even great coaches make mistakes and have weaknesses.

It seems bizarre to suggest someone is above critique because of past performance.

Reja

Eakins thought he was a innovator. God’s gift to coaching he thought he was smarter than the game with his Swarm tactics. He must of really been able to spin a yarn getting MacTavish to go all in on him. Kris has no ego lets the players play and will do a fine job this year after stepping into a hornets nest with no lifeline last year.

godot10

Dylan Holloway may get a shot with Thomas and Neighbours tonight. He was practicing with them yesterday. The Buchnevich at centre experiment is still on. Saad’s wife is expecting and may miss the opening road trip. Bolduc has looked good but zero production. Thomas and Kyrou are like oil and water. So Holloway gets his chance to go Top Gun.

Darryl8843

Thanks for the everything Blues update. Just in case we care.

DevilsLettuce

Hope his one arm is up to the task.

Spartacus

Nobody cares.

Work harder.

(which, coincidentally, is also the answer to NO. ONE. IS. LISTENING.)

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Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I mean I am sure the opportunity in St.Louis to be go to guys was attractive to Holloway and Bro.

Bar_Qu

Holloway’s Achilles heel even while he was here was an inability to regularly score. He is a great possession guy, rugged, defensively responsible and determined in the corners. With all that said, I can’t see him regularly getting more than 20 points. Too many whiffs, double clutches for a guy who is supposed to play with top guys.
I think the Oilers will miss him, but not because he is going to light it up with the Blues.

OriginalPouzar

I would suggest that he is not defensively responsible.

Yes, in the playoffs, he was great at getting in shooting lanes in the defensive zone – he blocked some shots – but he continued to make poor decisions between the blue lines.

The Oilers will miss him, I agree.

Fuhrious

Sometimes I wonder how DSF became fixated on going out of his way to come in here post any little thing that might make the Oilers look bad. Satisfying only his own broken internal sense of justice trying to exact revenge for some imagined sleight.

I guess the phenomenon isn’t unique.

godot10

Taylor Hall was closely followed in this blog for a couple of years after the 1-for-1.

Once an Oiler. Always an Oiler.

Scungilli Slushy

True, for some. I’m about the team, some players endear or are so awesome I still am interested. Sometimes it’s too ugly as in Weight getting a cup we deserved except MAB

OriginalPouzar

Taylor Hall had 145 points on his ELC, Dylan Holloway, 18.

Reja

Your comparing Hall to a career 9 goal scorer. Even Tyler Pitlick had more goals before he bolted to Dallas for the lottery win.

OriginalPouzar

Hollowa has a history of strong exhibition performances and earning spots up the lineup. He does not have a history of remaining up the lineup.

winchester

Holloway is a loss for certain. We cannot paint it a different way just because we got screwed in the deal. He is the exact player type that supports high end talent. He doesn’t have to score 20 goals, he supports the 20 goal scorer. This type of player is underestimated. It is likely be years end we wish we had Holloway and not Skinner.

Holloway has a high motor and no fear. He will learn to dial it back to avoid injury.

I was not impressed with his decision and not impressed with “do whats best for you” I am more understanding after his comments and his negotiations (or lack of negotiations) came to light.

If it was not for this ridiculous offer sheet situation, I would really be looking forward to Holloway play. Screw the Blues however.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Brilliant LT!
I fully appreciate the frustration and sarcasm. 😁

hopefully Coach is ready to do what needs to be done…starting NOW!

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I haven’t seen every minute of the pre-season, but what I’ve seen of Brown, I can’t for the life of me see why they signed him. Like, at all! He looks so out of place it’s crazy. He can’t really make this roster can he?

JJS

I mentioned this a while back but keeping players late into camp is also a sign of a new coach to the organization. He has no track record with the prospects. And with the turn over at RD, he needs to see all the options that have been presented to him by the GM.

I am not condoning the approach, but I can see how there has been a delay in forging the final roster. Nurse’s injury didn’t help.

It is a perplexing moment for a team on the cusp

Brantford Boy

LT, so you don’t like Brown today? Got it, me neither.

Bar_Qu

I hope the Brown signing is a lesson that the current mgt learns, along with the further lesson that filling your 4th line by June is stupid. There was certainly too much concern about the bottom pairing & marginal guys to go out and retain Brown on day one, as well as ensure Perry et al returned to the bottom half of the forwards.

Now, I say this with tongue in cheek, because it really does feel like a year over year organizational failing to worry more about forwards 11-14 and bottom pairing D than the holes which are there year over year (2nd pairing D, quality wings in top 6).

Sierra

Are you claiming that the Org didn’t address quality wings in top 6 early in the offseason?

DBO

once again. for those in the back. Brown is destined for the minors. They signed him to deal that no one will claim. he is a physical call up and will be up and down based on schedule. Dermott at $775 also helps us accumulate cap. Brown at $1 mill was (I hope) a strategic move to add size if needed, but set up to be buried in the minors and get called up when they want without fear of a claim.

Dermott fits the LH?RH option for playing both sides. And he is clearly better. So is Stetcher.

Same with Philip. Solid, big, does a lot right. He cant get claimed. he goes down. Simple asset management.

Moar smarter, not bigger please

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

If Brown is destined for the minors then why is he getting so many reps with Kulak?

DBO

giving him a chance to earn a spot. But man he has not. Gregor has a solid article at ON about Stetcher. Makes me want to root for him even more. Still think the best lineup on D is
Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Stetcher
Kulak-Emberson

ease Emberson in. Let him earn the 2nd RD spot over time. Kulak and him more defensive role. Nurse and Stecther more offensive.

DBO

I just hope they are smarter. As you said, Moar size doesn’t mean better. And no one is a deterrent anymore. He is not Desharnais. That is blinders if that is all they see or hope. this is not a year for hope. this is a year to win. And I pray they are smarter and make a better decision.

cowboy bill

If Brown plays in the final tune-up, that will tell the story. We should see the starting lineup in Vancouver.

cowboy bill

IMO the starting lineup would be minus Brown, Roderique & Caggiula. Maybe we see Stecher play alongside Kulak & Emberson with Nurse. Dermott will be signed. But what do I know? To me it’s starting to look like forget the accrued cap space, put Kane on LTIR and bring him back for the playoffs when his cap hit won’t count. Trade for the right fit on defense.

Sierra

Who in the schedule warrants having Brown in the line-up and which team doesn’t?

OriginalPouzar

On behalf of those in the back, while the above makes sense, and I cited Brown as signed to start in the AHL back in July, actions of the coaching staff over the last few weeks are not in line with what we are seeing as far as deployment and there is real concern that he is, in fact, not waived and assigned.

Durag

Re: Brown – My belief on this is some scout or some readings of his analytics had someone jumping up and down, screaming that if you could just get X and Y warts out of his game, or put him in the right system, there was a serious player there. You sign him 3x$1M and just see if he doesn’t look like a $3-4M player in year 2-3 of that deal.

I haven’t watched any preseason, but it sounds like he’s been somewhere around the 9th best defenceman at camp. Maybe whatever he’s supposed to have ain’t really there, or you have to be a genius to see it.

I don’t buy that he’s there just to be a tough guy. It doesn’t seem to be Knoblauch’s style to deploy face-punchers, and I agree with the article that Connor and Leon don’t need a bouncer. Connor has that snarl, and is too quick and smart to catch in open ice. Mess with Leon at your own peril. I’ve always said, woe unto the man who finally makes him angry enough to drop the gloves. I bet he fights like Ali.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I don’t know. Knobber has some old school tendencies. Based on his deployment and line ups in preseason, he likes what Brown brings.

Durag

Yeah, I re-read my post and it wasn’t clear, but what I meant is clearly someone thinks there is something there beyond fisticuffs. Desharnais was a flawed defender, but you could definitely see his value as a defender beyond just size and strength. It seems Brown has yet to show this, but that doesn’t mean he won’t.

The other big caveat is that this is preseason. It’s not like Brown would be the first veteran ever to look awful all through camp, and be perfectly fine game 1.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I am not sure about that either. I would say Des’ size and strength are the primary reasons he made the show.

Durag

He was good preventing seam passes on the PK, and I thought he made smart plays with the puck, as long as he had at least a little bit of time, less so under intense pressure. He was good at filtering the puck to the net from the offensive blue line too.

Sierra

Was Desh tough, did he intimidate others? Not sure about that one. Did he punch faces, did he win many, any? Did he grab anyone and lay a beating on them?

OriginalPouzar

The other big caveat is that this is preseason. It’s not like Brown would be the first veteran ever to look awful all through camp, and be perfectly fine game 1.

This is true, and a fair caveat. An important counter, his exhibition performance is not out of line with historical performance by various models and eyes.

DevilsLettuce

If he’s the Desharnais replacement, this coach sat Desharnais without hesitation in the Stanley cup finals, something Dallas Celery Sticks Eakins will never sniff as a coach.

Worrying about Brown costing the Oilers is a bit far fetched.

OriginalPouzar

He’s Desharnais’ replacement. There were things about Desharnais’ game that made him attractive to the Oilers. Like wingspan, toughness, a rugged edge. I’m not sure if Brown can replace what Desharnais brought, but that was the idea in signing him for sure.

I believe this to be true but evidence is mounting that Brown is not a suitable healthy roster d-man on this team. Evidence is NOT mounting that the organization is analyzing the evidence the same way as the fan-base – yet.

cowboy bill

I believe this to be true. We’re here for a good time, not a long time. So have a good time, the sun can’t shine every day.

Tarkus

Prospectily!

Isn’t it a pity
Isn’t it a shame
No one ever warned the boy
NHL is a vicious game

‘Tis a twain of OHL’ers in tonight’s light of spot.

Will Beau and his Akey shoulders play their first league game in almost a year? He’s back in Barrie but will he get inserted into the lineup straightaway? We wait.

Meanwhile, Wakely missed out on last weekend’s action–mayhaps he makes his season debut ce soir.

Both men are listed since I’ve seen nothing to indicate they shan’t suit up.

Barrie (Akey) @ 5 p.m.
North Bay (Wakely) @ 5 p.m.

Both times, as usual, are Hillmond time.

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Melman

As always, thanks Tarkus. Love the updates and the rotating time clock!