Midnight Turmoil

by Lowetide
  • At home to: NJD, VEG (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-2-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: NYI, NAS (Expected 2-0-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: TOR, MTL, OTT (Expected 1-2-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • At home to: MIN, NYR (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: UTA, COL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-0, 16 points in 13 games
  • November results: 3-2-1, 7 points in 6 games
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 9-7-2, 20 points in 18 games

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OriginalPouzar

Evan Bouchard is indeed an adventure. I have defended him, and will continue to do so, largely based on the fact Bouchard has a (frustrating) history of starting the season, well, like he has this year, but then finding his game and being an elite 2-way d-man down the stretch and in the playoffs.

Lets not forget, he was just as bad last year for the first few months of the season (and had games like last night) and we know where he ended up.

At the same time, 100%, absolutely, we can criticize his play in real time and his play on the 2-2 goal was not acceptable. Don’t get me wrong, that is a pass that Bouchard can make, and makes multiple time per game – he creates off that cross-ice transition pass. At the same time, recognizing the game situation and having game management is a real thing and trying that pass in the last 10 minutes of the 3rd up a goal is not acceptable – be better Bouch.

I am not nearly as harsh as most on the 3-2 goal for “being lazy” or “giving up”. I said this in real time last night (and, at least Devan Dubnyk who was on with Rishaug and Brown last night agrees with me) – once Bouchard was beat be Bobby M. and Ekholm had the better chance to catch him and disturb him, slowing up was the absolute right play. Bouch was not going to catch him so the right play is to let Ekholm chance and hang back to pick up a trailer and/or deal with a potential rebound.

Don’t get me wrong, Bouchard’s first few steps were not hard enough and he took a bad route but the “giving up on the play” narrative is, in my opinion, not right – it looked bad but wasn’t a poor play.

I am NOT defending Bouch’s play overall last night- his pass on the 2-2 changed the game and he still got beat on the 3-3 he got walked another time and missed a wide-open chance from the slot, etc., etc.

I do think (1) the vitriol on the 3-2 is misguided and (2) he will show how good of a player is in due course, as he has done the last few years, after he get past is annual (and frustrating) slow start to the season.

General McDavid

The NHL’s Dept. Of Player Safety is likely to disappoint Oiler fans on the Reaves suspension.

George Parros was a player a lot more like Reaves than Nurse. Most of these suspensions end up being lighter than you’d expect. In this case, I suspect you’ll hear the consistent specious argument they make that the player who was headhunted could have done more to have his head on a swivel and protect himself from danger .

I’m predicting 2 games, 5 games at the absolute max. Hope I’m wrong but the NHL is more about minimizing financial damages to suspended players than they are actual player safety. The bottom line is the players want to police themselves and not have heavy suspensions and fines.

OriginalPouzar

Mattias Janmark is third in forward points.

Atta boy Janny, great job!

Nuge, Hyman, Henrique, Skinner, Arvidsson – LETS GO!!!

leadfarmer

Jeff Skinner had always been a player that for every goal he scores he gives more than one back. And now he’s not even scoring. I would waive him

doctoreye

Trade him for Ceci!

General McDavid

Possibly his absence is exactly what Darnell Nurse needs to recast his reputation? Nothing like missing a player to appreciate them more.

Queue Cinderella’s “Don’t Know What You Got Til It’s Gone.”

OriginalPouzar

The Oilers continue to outplay, in some cases dominate, teams at 5 on 5 – including some very good teams.

The Oilers also continue to make single poor plays once or twice late and are not getting bailed out by the goalie, like ever (right now).

This team continues to have a ton of underperforming players including Hyman, Nuge, Skinner, Henrique and Arvidsson.

The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10 (including 3 games without McDavid, actually 4 given he played one shift in the other).

Frustrating to give away regulation wins and points but the “issues” seem fixable with mental commitment, which this team has shown they can provide when they need to. I wish they would provide that commitment to the right play at the right time consistently but we know they can find it in due course. We’ve seen it.

OriginalPouzar

Hoping Nurse is feeling as good as can be this morning.

LMHF#1

This team not scoring at least once and probably twice on the 5 minute man advantage in a 2-1 game is unforgivable. Really simple as that. Bouchard’s play and even Skinner shouldn’t have mattered.

The lack of scoring this year is kicking them right where it hurts.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

This is my position too. The team was built to score goals. They are in the bottom third for GF.

doctoreye

This team was built to score goals…..also to win.Jackson and Bowman broke up a team that would have won last year without injuries.Now has no chemistry!Should have left them as they were.Shame on them!

leadfarmer

That nurse headshot changed the game for both teams. Ruined the flow for both teams

Reja

A viscous headshot I hope he’s alright this could be bad. The league needs to send a message and give him at least 10 games which doesn’t hurt the leafs but it does hurt Reeves pocketbook. Oilers have zero pushback on the club besides a injured Kane. Does Wanner get the call? It’s too bad Clattenburg isn’t a few year older.

Scungilli Slushy

I’m not convinced about Gully or Schwartz. It is a mistake to me to give much credit to the PP coach when you have the Duo to work with. They are going to score, the rest of it is stale and has been for a while. They should be running at historic rates because they have historic talent. They should be able to pick any PK apart, but they revert to the same things regardless of outcome

I’m not sure if Gully is involved with offensive strategy, but that needs tweaking as well to me. Schwartz was involved with choosing Jack. The goalies aren’t improving, good goalie coaches are able to move their guys forward to their talent level. Dubnyk talked about it after he left, new coach got him learning new techniques and he played better because it addressed weaknesses in his game

Reja

I believe they are trying so hard to lock it down it’s costing them offensively.

Shamus23

Great read LT.
BANG on with Skinner. He is a good goalie but not Elite. Last night he has to stop 1 of those goals and an elite guy probably would have stopped 2 Bouchard had his worst game ever. I do think he will always have those lapses, maybe just not as blatant but they will be part of his game. He has that easy going non aggressive mentality a bit to much a lot. I think that is just the guy he is. He makes some great plays and can shoot, but he is frustrating a lot of times to watch. With the pp struggling a fair bit he suffers as well.
As for Nuge, would like to see him shooting more. He is passing a bit much right now and just seems off in general. You would think he snaps out of it as he is a smart player and still skates well. Here is hoping sooner than later.
The Nurse hit was savagery , He didn’t see it coming at all and Reeves put his shoulder right into his chin ( the button for sure). His head also hit the ice quite hard as well when he went down. With the NHL always stating they want that type of hit out of the game, here is the chance to send a good message. 10 games . But I doubt he gets that much. Hope so, but I bet 3-5.
That was the 3rd OT and letdown in a row. Oil we’re playing with fire in the 3rd periods letting teams in and we’re bound to lose one .
I feel bad for Nurse as his game was really good over the last 4-5. Hopefully he is back sooner than later.
if Pitt is really selling off the farm. 1 guy I would like to see traded for and would add some younger talent onto an older roster is 6.4/215 ish Drew O’Conner. Kid is big and can shoot the biscuit. He had 16 goals last year, and has dropped off this year. He is a hard worker that finishes his checks , battles hard in puck battles and can play both wings.

I do hope Nurse is back right away, but if out for a bit will the Oil start looking for a D man hard again.

Brantford Boy

I highly recommend watching Ice Guardians (Amazon Prime). The theory of one enforcer was to modify the instigator rule to the one head hunting (Reeves) in this case, and the guy (Kane) answering the call would only get the fighting major. Sure would have come in handy with Nurse in the Vegas series two years ago.

With the enforcer role minimized, we have human bullets throwing their bodies around and maximizing collisions. Why, because it’ll only equate to a 2-5-10 minute penalty. I hope they throw the book at Reeves, as Gazdic alluded to last night. Nurse will miss some time, whenever you see the eyes roll back it’s never a good sign.

As for Bouchard, personally I’m cursing his play as much as Draisaitls passing these days, until he scores of course, negating the bad plays. I would not trade this player either, but am somewhat hopeful it impacts the next contract by $1.5M. An $8.5M Bouchard is different than a $10M Bouchard.

Team defense still remains an issue after all the lessons learned through 23 games last spring. I do enjoy LT’s recent rationale of 4-3 team vs. 3-2 league, but man it’s infuriating sometimes for the eye test.

Reja

It’s time to see if Pickard can handle duties for awhile and let Skinner reset if not I’m sure Bowman has something on the back burner. Skinner is batting .877 and if you take away his 27 save shutout and change his name to Jack Campbell he’s already run out of town on this platform.

John Chambers

Stu Skinner
He’s better than his stats. He’ll climb back to .900 when we play a run of 10 games against lousy teams starting Dec 20th. He’s a #1 NHL goalie, just not a top-tier one. He’s Chris Osgood.

But it’s foolish to rely on Skinner / Pickard to win you a cup.
Youll never be wanting in goal with a top-10 netminder like Saros.

Besides, it looks like Evan Bouchard won’t be costing $10M.

GrafSupra

Osgood played in 129 playoffs games and had a .916 SV% / 2.09 GAA / 15 SO

I wish he was Chris Osgood.

hunter1909

How about we start a compare the last season Oilers to the new additions?

Who and which players have been good, and which players have been bad for their respective new teams so far?

doctoreye

Fogele,McLeod,Desarnais,Holloway,and Broberg have been good.Skinner,Arvie,have been a waste of time!Congrats Jeff.

hunter1909

Thanks.

Nice to see the new management is up and running so well.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Every season is Groundhog Day as an Oilers fan.

Goalie issues? Check.
Questionable coaching decisions? Check.
Lack of depth scoring? Check.
Lack of depth on D? Check.
Lack of commitment to team D? Check.

Next stop the Stanley cup finals!

John Chambers

Commitment to team D?
Oilers held the Leafs to 20 shots through 3 periods. Besides a couple of awful plays from #2 I thought they played excellent team defense.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Agreed. My comment was intended to be in jest.

John Chambers

Except I agree on all the other points 🙃

Scungilli Slushy

Not sure if you saw how they played the net front. Multiple times there was no D man out front or forward low enough. Those are the type of big breakdowns they get burned on so often this season

Playing with fire doing that. Play a good game overall and give up some easy ones

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

At what point do we start to worry about the Oilers two top prospects shy offensive starts to the season? Savoie and O’Reilly under a point per game.

hunter1909

Probably best to see how Nurse is doing, before unleashing the worry machine.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Roger that.

SoCaloil

Perhaps its a good time to breakup 14-2 for a few games.
Watching the replay it was clear Mr. Bouchard is relying too much on his stable partner.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

But who do you replace him with? The coaching staff barely plays Stetcher and Emberson. And Emberson has looked very underwhelming the last 3-4 games.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Lots of season left but it’s hard to see this team winning the division. No depth at D. The vet scoring wingers can’t score. Stu has Jack Campbell Syndrome.

Sierra

Ignoring J. Skinner’s NMC for the moment, I wonder if him plus draft picks are enough to acquire another NHL quality Dman. J.Skinner is wasted on the 4th line so might as well send him packing; they didn’t acquire him to play with D.Roy and Perry for 8 minutes a night. If there is no deal for a Dman then perhaps he can’t be traded for a young winger who’s a better fit in the bottom 6.

The D is no where near good enough, and they sure look small out there after Ekholm and Nurse.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

I have had similar thoughts. The coaching staff clearly does not trust J.Skinner. Maybe that changes but I doubt it.

LMHF#1

The coaching staff should stop being obstinate morons then.

The team isn’t scoring. How about deploying one of the most talented goal scorers they have differently.

Hell at this rate, you would wish you could cash Hyman for max value.

People piss all over talented players way too easily.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Oh I agree. They should deploy him differently but I doubt they will. If that is the case then cash him for a useful player that will actually get played.

hunter1909

WHO ON EARTH GAVE SKINNER A NMC

hunter1909

Sounds like Nurse getting his clock cleaned put the heebee jeebies up Bouchard.

norm2015

Is it a bad observation to say that Skinner would rather see 30 shots a night then 20 to 25? does he need 35 SA ?

Scungilli Slushy

Woodley said some goalies like work he mentioned Markstrom as an example

It would be so Oilers that they get their shot share sorted out and it makes the goalie struggle

Reach Advantage

Just get rush chances against him

godot10

Just eliminate the 1000 bell alarm chances against that the Oilers forwards and D allow pretty much every game.

hunter1909

Talk about Prima Donnas much?

Imagine an NHL goalie who prefers a certain amount of shots otherwise he’s ineffective.

The sad part is you might be right lol

Sierra

I’m not a hater on S. Skinner. I’ve said for years this team struggles with playing smart defensively. That said, Skinner is not playing good enough. Were all 4 goals scored blocker side?

I didn’t like Skinner’s play on the partial breakaway.

Looks to me that he partially lost his net on the GWG and was too far glove side. He also initially reacted like the shot was going glove side.

He needs to find his game and quick, or it will be time for a change.

hunter1909

Skinner is one of those low event goalies that might win a series or might lose a series; but they never inspire their teams in any meaningful way like the real deal goalies.

The Bulin Wall gave even the Lowe+MacT Oilers a quarter season of hockey without worrying every time the puck is in the Oilers end of the ice.

Scungilli Slushy

To me it looks like when he’s not at his best he isn’t reacting to the shot. It’s like he’s frozen

He also loses position or ends up rotating after a shot on his knees. Also he’ll end up prone after a shot and not in a good position for any rebound, happened on one last night. Hopefully he starts settling soon and thinking less

Like any player, but especially goalies, if they are prone to getting into their own heads it seems it usually isn’t good for developing stability over time. Everyone has slumps, it’s how often and how long. Exactly what sinks Campbell. Just play

Reach Advantage

I said at the beginning of the year that we should expect a worse Skinner this year in all likelihood.

He played 82 games last season.

Reach Advantage

He may bounce back next year

Scungilli Slushy

This is why not getting a clear upgrade on Pick was a mistake. I don’t see that the coaches see Pick as anything other than good for the odd game. Stu needs a break, he’s not playing out of his funk. I’m not suggesting move Stu or he’s awful, but it’s pro sports and losing your starting gig should happen if you can’t get it done well enough

The team would be better served with one less forward signing and one more goalie with NHL experience. They should have been able to leverage the team success and Connor to sign someone in summer. It’s just too important to not. Maybe run Pick for a few, get on the phones if it doesn’t help. Also the team seems to pull their heads out when Pick starts. Reset

Sierra

This coach is looking the same as the previous coaches in the context of icetime. Let’s hope the top minute-munchers aren’t burnt out by spring.

dangilitis

Would also say that it’s not guaranteed Nurse will be out for a long period of time. Biggest concern would be concussion protocol. If he was seen joking and walking around with trainers after the game, rather than lying in a dark room, that’s a good sign that he may be out for a week if following return to play concussion guidelines and things move smoothly

hunter1909

Nurse is tough.

To paraphrase OTC, it seems like this ream has a few too many Fancy Dans and Barbara Ann Scotts.

SoCaloil

The trouble with concussions is that symptoms can show up later.
Then stay for a while.
Happened to my wife

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who

I’m curious what you liked about Henriques game last night, other than the goal of course.
To me he seems a step behind, all over the ice. Smart player, with a good set of hands, but maybe he can’t skate well enough to play center anymore. Watching him try and cover Marner at the offensive blueline at the end of the game was painful. Marner was toying with him, because he could. Marner knows that even if Henrique strips the puck, Marner will catch him in about 3 strides, so there’s no risk ragging the puck there.
The Nurse injury really sucks. He was playing some good hockey. And now, who knows how long he’ll be out, and how long it will take him to get back to that level. The Oilers are dangerously thin on defense. Thanks Jeff.
The Reaves hit was definitely a hit to the head, and definitely suspendable. I do not believe he was headhunting, but do believe he was going for the “blowup” hit. And there’s the problem with players like Reaves. They don’t bring any offense, they are not good defenders (has anyone ever seen Reaves kill a penalty?), and no one wants to fight them. So the only impression they can make in their 6 minutes of ice time is to blow someone up. Everyone knows this, and yet some coaches and GMs still think that player is worth a roster spot.
Unfortunately, the Reaves hit exposed Nurses biggest weakness as a hockey player. He just doesn’t see the ice well. I don’t know if it’s a processing issue, or a peripheral vision issue, but Nurse should have recognized there was a forechecker closing fast on him. And he never even sensed it, until the shoulder hit his chin.

Scungilli Slushy

I looked at a replay and he was looking at the puck I imagine trying to keep control of it. Most D would be looking up ice for the pass. The ice seemed rough, could have been that and bad luck in the moment

bcoil

My opinion and only time will tell if I am right or wrong
J Jackson not really a hockey man and his non hockey nerd analysts in one summer ……..got rid of a hall of fame GM that wanted to stay and had taken the team to within 2 goals of a Stanley cup ——– Made the team one of the oldest and slowest teams in the league —————got rid of three big strong, fast young hockey players coming into the primes of their careers and replaced them with three smaller slower and at the end of their careers players.. Just watch how old and slow this team looks come February March once those old legs get older and slower.
Would you rather have last years team maybe without Broberg who wanted out anyway or this years team .Stop and think about that for a moment . We would be bigger faster and probably challenging for the top of the pacific division. He in my amateur opinion has set this team back at least two years and may have lost us McDavid because once the true flaws of this team become more evident he may second guess his desire to stay here 
I would love to know who really made the decision to not sign Holoway/Broberg was it really Holland or Jackson because the latter had lots of time to sign them after Holland left. Same with Macleod we replace big strong and fast and just coming into his prime with an unproven little guy. 
Jackson may go down as the person who all by himself caused the demise of the cup window for this team .

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hunter1909

That’s the trouble when you change the management over and over.

If McDavid thinks Jackson has to go, then Jackson will go. Pity the players he’s brought in are generally useless. And yes, the Oilers are doomed unless they find another toughness gear.

doctoreye

This is exactly what I have been saying since the third game.Why not leave a Stanley cup finalist alone.No other players needed,just keep what you have.Jackson wrecked this team,now and more importantly the future!!!

dangilitis

One positive – 8 straight penalties killed over past 3 games?

I think that the goalie play is amplified because generally, the Oilers have been outplaying teams all season long, but single moderate-large mistakes have ended up in the back of our net and it is easy for fans to look at those single events in frustration as they have sunk games. Again, it is never entirely on the goalie, but the scrutiny is what they sign up for, and this is not some unique Oilers thing.

If I understand correctly, some think it is our chaos that is the problem and cite the examples of some goalies playing better for 1 or more seasons after they were traded. I respectfully disagree, I think goalies like Talbot are just inconsistent, like most of the goalies in this league. There are very few goalies who perform at high level year after year, there are a lot more Dubnyks and Talbots than there are Shesterkins. On a trapping LAK team Talbot had one good season and was still pulled in favour of Rittich in the playoffs. His best season was still as an Oiler. Dubnyk took years and 4 different teams to provide 4 solid starter seasons in his entire career. Most teams understandably don’t want to throw away seasons for an indeterminate duration waiting for a goalie to pop and I don’t think that’s a sin from management.

hunter1909

Oilers are still finals hungover. I would prefer to see them after about 50 games before worrying too much.

leadfarmer

https://x.com/jfreshhockey/status/1858157461120631295?s=46&t=VKZ79-9hN-xwMNTBjohq7w

we have two Ahl goalies. Night after night the other guys have the better goalie. It’s time to go shopping and fade Skinner.

leadfarmer

I know the excuse will be bad giveaways and they were horrendous but night after night our forecheck causes horrendous giveaways and their goalie doesn’t fold like a cheap suit

dangilitis

That’s pretty damning. But of course, the fans are at fault for demanding average goaltending from a 2.5 million goalie, and our players are at fault for not being perfect

Reach Advantage

Haha yep, at least according to in here.

dangilitis

This has all the makings of NJD’s season last year. I sincerely hope I’m wrong

Diablo

Skinner has definitely stalled in his development. His technique is OK but he backs up into his own net too much on rush chances – he doesn’t get across the crease well without being able to push off his posts, which leads to him staying in too deep. His glove hand is weak. He handles the puck poorly. He doesn’t track the puck well either and gets beat up high a lot when there is any kind of traffic in front of him, despite his large frame.

He’s a 1B type goalie, similar to a Jake Allen. A solid NHL goalie who can do well if he’s not the main guy in net. Not a guy who’s going to be back stopping a team a to Cup.

SVR

The Oilers have been top five last season and this, for least amount of shots given up per game. Not sure where they rank in terms of high danger shots, but they give up very few shots overall. Skinner’s stats this year show him to be one of the worst starting goalies in the league.
Not sure how anyone can argue that. He needs to be better. His past history says he can be, but it needs to start yesterday.

All teams make mistakes and give up chances. Goalie’s job is to stop the puck.

DBO

Funny how Kane coming back will make a big difference. We could run 4 actual quality lines.

Skinner. McDavid. Hyman
Pod. Draisatl. Arvidsson
Kane. Nuge. Savoie
Janmark. Henrique. Brown

I think Savoie will play towards the end of the season like Holloway. And Podkolzin could be swapped for Kane or an upgrade trade if needed, but this is a heck of a forward group.

Scungilli Slushy

It looks good on paper for sure. I could see Lavoie or Jarventie spotting in, but although Perry doesn’t impact every game he’s still a smarter and known player at this point. If he has anything left by season’s end he’ll be in at least some games

Genjutsu

Lavoie is a Vegas property and now 1-1-2 in 11 GP.

He’s going have go on a hell of a heater or he’s not going play in the NHL.

He might be Europe bound next season.

Scungilli Slushy

I’m also concerned about Zach as well. He’s doing an excellent Ryan Jones impersonation, too excellent

J Skinner is staring at the biggest hockey opportunity he’s ever had. Time for a gut check Jeff

godot10

Jeff Skinner hasn’t played an NHL game that mattered in his entire NHL career before Jeff Jackson signed him.

Correlation or causality?

Evidence so far is leaning causality.

hunter1909

I always thought Jeff Skinner was one of those 1st liners on a shit team players. Hyped to death by a slavering press, to boot.

Tarkus

Prospectipaction!

Because the House of Stone was the only NAmateur to rest yesterday, he is the only one in action today.

He has but a goal in the three games he’s played since his return. Is he the player who put up 37 goals two years ago, or the one who struggled to reach 20 last year (along with a 34-point drop in +/-)? We wait.

Puck drops at noon North Star time.

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