Red Wings at Oilers, G51 2024-25

by Lowetide
  • At home to: ANA (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: SEA, BOS, PIT, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: LAK (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: MIN, COL, VAN (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: WAS, VAN, BUF, SEA, DET (Expected 3-2-0) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • Overall expected results: 8-4-2, 18 points in 14 games
  • January result: 10-3-0
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 32-15-3, 67 points in 50 games

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Traveller

Headline shocker of the day: Crosby names Captain of Team Canada! Who saw that coming???? Certainly not the decision Bobby Clarke would have made, is it? (Some of you may too young to get the reference).

McDavid and Makar named alternate captains.

godot10

So are Toews and Saad coming to Edmonton on $1 milllion AAV contracts?

St. Louis is really only a one centre team. Schenn, like Henrique, is really a 3rd line centre at best. Holloway and Kyrou are carrying him at the moment.

Saad wasn’t playing well enough to play with Thomas, and he could not elevate his linemates on the 2nd or 3rd line. Holloway took the 2nd line LW spot from him, and Bolduc outplayed him for a 3rd line spot. And are the future.

St. Louis wants to play younger players and they like their 4th line guys. Texier is going to get more ice time. And if St. Louis continues falling away from the playoff pack, Devorsky will get his first NHL trial after the trade deadline, likely between Holloway and Kyrou.

St. Louis’s biggest deficiency all year has been a 2nd line centre, but Armstrong did not want to acquire one because Devorsky is close. Thomas and Buchnevich having relatively poor seasons has skewered Armstrong’s plans. And Binnington has been inconsistent.

Pretendergast

Boqvist on waivers. Probably a San Jose or Chi claim (why not), but would prefer him over JK or at least Stetcher at league min. Give the 24 year old 20 games with Coffey and he could be found money.

As they said with Klingberg, why not? No way he gets to us but put in the claim anyway.

Last edited 2 hours ago by Pretendergast
BornInAGretzkyJersey

That would be an interesting reclamation project.

John Chambers

Boqvist is weak defensively, and has Bouchard and now Klingberg ahead of him for pp time.
Stecher is a better option than young Boq.

Thank Gord that at the 2018 draft NYR and Chicago drafted Kravtsov and Boqvist instead of Evan Bouchard.

Last edited 1 hour ago by John Chambers
Lewis Grant

Yeah, Kravtsov and Boqvist and Kotkaniemi going off the board meant that we were guaranteed one of Bouchard, Dobson, or Wahlstrom. I was thrilled.

And we picked the right one. (Dobson would have been OK too. But Wahlstrom?)

Reja

He’s a Bowman draft pick I would be shocked if Bowman passes him up at his near league minimum salary. With Holland gutting our system and with our top heavy salary cap Bowman needs to find value contracts.

Traveller

If the Oilers were to claim him, he almost certainly can’t go to Bakersfield. Florida would just reclaim him and send him to their farm team. Also, there is no likely job available for him on the Oilers right now. If Bowman likes him, he can see about signing him as a free agent in the summer.

Reja

Yes your right there’s already already enough players for the seats available on the big club especially with the Klingberg signing.

Traveller

Curious why you’d prefer Boqvist over JK?

OriginalPouzar

Excited to see Klingberg in the lineup.

I’m probably drinking the koolaid, sure, but with his verbal regarding him being pain free for the first time in years and years and better mobility in the hip area, I am cautiously optimistic about his ability to handle 2RD. A puck moving/good skating partner for Nurse.

I know he struggled big time the last few years defensively but he has a history of being a fine 2-way d-man with the offensive upside, prior to the hips becoming debilitating.

We’ll see where we get to, maybe he’s nothing more then a depth 6/7 or, maybe, just maybe, he can be a legit 2RD.

We start to find out tonight!

OriginalPouzar

Coach says Klingberg’s minutes will be managed tonight and he’ll probably see multiple different partners.

anti-Trust Issues

1) This season is probably the most hockey (Oilers and other teams) I’ve watched in years, and one thing I keep thinking whenever I watch a non-Oilers game: getting to watch 97 and 29 (almost) every 2 nights is such a privilege. While I’ll be gutted by another season ending in anything other than a cup, it’s easy to forget just how exciting those two players make this team on a night-in, night-out basis. Even watching teams with other stars (Avs, Leafs, VGK), the talent of 97 and 29 makes watching the Oilers fun.

2) Saad @ the league minimum or therabouts would be a great addition. No acquisition cost, and those players can turn into found money. Very little downside, worst case scenario he or Kapanen end up on waivers.

3) Looking at that lineup above makes me miss Slepyshev. Flawed/limited player but I always thought he could have had an NHL career if he wanted it, joining the ranks of Hartikainen et al.

4) Two of my “favorite” Oilers moments involve the Red Wings: A) Hemsky’s tying and winning goals in 2006 G6 against detroit, and B) “The Shift” – Taylor Chorney and Jason Strudwick being stuck in their own end, unable to advance the puck past center ice for about 3.5 minutes against Detroit during a regular season game in the early years of the DoD.

Pretendergast

I’ve watched more than a few Vegas games due to a fun rivalry with a friend.

They are fairly deep, no doubt, but most of the play driving is Jack Eichel. He has had an incredible season while the rest of the team has mostly been a benefit to playing with him. Dorofeyev, Howden, Kolesar are all having good to career years, but that’s not saying a tonne. Hertl got hot but has been overall a net negative on the team.

Theodore is the goods, Paul Bunyan keeps doing his thing.

Eichel is the straw, I would suggest on eye test alone he has been carrying that team for quite some time this year. We have 2 guys doing it and the best one has not been his transcendent self yet imo.

It makes sense Eichel should be the best player, but i would suggest he’s had to carry the team far more than the Glimmer twins. Even if they play backup goalies over 50% of the time.

Harpers Hair

You’re ignoring the contributions of Mark Stone.

Yes, he was out with injury but has scored 1.24 P/GP with a goal differential of 64.60%…the best of his career.

Pretendergast

No I’m not. Stone stands in front of the net on the PP. Barbashev has been more productive at ES (and guess who’s line he’s on). He’s a really good player.

Eichel is the man.

MushedPeas

Yeah after years (and years) of watching other teams and having to constantly ask “Why can’t the Oilers can’t do that?!?,” it’s been a nice solid run now, multiple seasons, of watching other franchises on say the power play and wondering what the hell they think they’re doing.

Why don’t they pass it to Drai? 😉

This team and its coaching are quality.
The Glimmers are simply a wonder.

Traveller

The Oilers and the Wings have identical 11-4-1 records since TMac took over as head coach. They are scoring at the same rate as the Oilers in that span, but not quite as good at preventing goals but both GF and GA are greatly improved from prior to the change.

I haven’t looked at their quality of schedule, but this is similar to when Ottawa came in when they were hot a while back.

It should be a good game.

JimmyV1965

I’ll say this about Tmac. He’s a great addition for the Wings today. His system will improve the team and might get them to the playoffs. He’s the wrong coach if you’re looking to win the cup. But that’s not where the Wings are today.

OriginalPouzar

Holy hell Ek sounds awful. I think he’s playing but he is not 100%.

Pretendergast

Warrior, he aint Embiid or Kawhi.

Can also only conclude Nurse was mum on how hurt he was after the LA series.

John Chambers

If the Oilers sign Brandon Saad for $1M …
The collective of Saad, Kapanen, Klingberg, Connor Brown, and Henrique will cost the team $7.5M against the cap for 5 veteran players. Those same 5 were earning $21M just a year ago.
Adding in Jeff Skinner the total grows to $10.5M in the current season, and a whopping $30M last season.

v4ance

Would have been happy to get a win against the Red Wings.

Forgotten that MacLellan had been hired and now I want the Oilers to lay a beatdown on them.

Am I petty? Yes! I still blame MacLellan for supporting the trade of Hall for Lucic. I know the actual trade was Hall/Larsson but he wanted a toughness over skill. Zero Stanley Cups later, we wasted the first 5 years of McDavid…

cowboy bill

Lucic was Chiarelli’s guy.

Traveller

No doubt he was the leader on the decision, but MacLellan would have been in on the discussions with Chiarelli before the trigger was pulled on the Hall trade and the signing. He would advise Chiarelli on his views on team need based on the prior season play (team toughness, team defense) and on his views of Hall’s role on the team.

It did seem though that MacLellan and Chiarelli were not always on the same page about how the team should be playing.

Buddy

I imagine the Oilers’ entire (galaxy) brain trust took part in the Hall decision.

Now, the Eberle trade, on the other hand, probably can in large part be laid at McLellan’s feet.

Pretendergast

TMac never had a skill like 97. It seemed like his idea was to just let him do his thing. Not alot of defensive accountability for him and he was working with spare parts for the rest of the roster (Hi Ty Rattie!)

He made stingy teams in LA. His pedigree with San Jose should’ve been better but Big Joe was already a vet when he joined. Those teams routinely underperformed in the playoffs so attribution is tough.

He’s an NHL coach that’s for sure.

Bruce McCurdy

Does Jake Virtanen count as a “future Oiler” for a PTO & getting cut before the end of training camp?
I’m still mad about him putting McDavid out of that Penticton tournament, & I’m sure the people who travelled there & bought tickets took a dim view of it as well. Virtanen always was an ass hat.

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Bar_Qu

I was never more glad to see a guy miss a chance to make an NHL comeback. And that was before I remembered about the Penticton stuff (how do you keep all that in your brain?).

OriginalPouzar

Ekholm named an assistant captain for Team Sweden. If there is any Oiler I’d like to see rest for those two weeks it’s Ek but I suspect he is all in for the tournament and excited to play.

RockySLeafs

Although the Red Wings have played well of late, I thought Yzerman was supposed to turn their fortunes around

Lewis Grant

Yzerman had awful luck with the draft. Deserved so much better, but the lottery screwed them.

Yzerman also made good bets with the mostly goalies, and had awful luck.

Then they missed the playoffs by one point because Washington scored a tie-breaking empty net goal against Philly. You can’t get more snakebitten than that.

But trading away Filip Hronek and Jake Walman? That’s fully on him.

OriginalPouzar

Confirmed that Klingberg is in tonight.

Skinner in, Kapanen out.

dcsj

Bummer, Kapanen was one of my Tim Horton’s app picks. Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to rely on that McDavid guy…

Goilers99

How do we get Colton Parayko on this team?

John Chambers

Parayko or Pulock

OriginalPouzar

Why?

Hes on the ice for more goals against than Evan Bouchard, to start.

Goilers99

Big upgrade on Stecher no? You don’t think he’s worth his contract or cost of acquiring?

OriginalPouzar

Yes, an upgrade on Stecher but with his contract, nope, I have no interest in acquriing.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

I looked at Saad’s PuckIQ last night and noped out of that pretty quick.

Those rels are abysmal.

Aside from 4L with Perry and Philp, what’s his role here? Is he an upgrade on Kapanen (probably) or Janmark (doubtful)? I could maybe see it worth a shot on a league minimum contract, more depth for the playoffs isn’t a bad thing.

cowboy bill

Saad is a two-way forward that contributes on both special teams and scored 26 goals last season for the Blues, has 7 this year, which is still more than Janmark.

jp

I looked at Saad’s PuckIQ last night and noped out of that pretty quick.

24-25 – negative DDF% rel, positive GF% (elites)
Career prior – positive DDF% rel 9 of 10 seasons, positive GF% 9 of 10 seasons (also focusing on elites)

I wouldn’t be so quick to throw out the idea based on a small recent sample. JMO.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Yeah that’s a fair take. I just worry about the cliff.

At league minimum it’s a worthy bet.

v4ance

Those numbers for Saad are weird.

His DFF% says he’s struggling to generate good shots against Elites and mids but he still breaks even in goals for and against. His DFF% against Grits look good but he and his line mates are getting roundly outscored.

I agree with BornInAGretzkyJersey that Saad could have fallen off the aging cliff. You never know when the reflexes and read and react skills fall off to make a player sub-NHL speed.

All the more reason to give props to Derek Ryan for keeping up with the Joneses and working and grinding to stay in the league before he went back to the AHL at 38. Ryan could have retired but I think he wants to be a black ace on our cup winning team.

DevilsLettuce

I was making mention of acquiring Marchand in November maybe early December, got thoroughly pummeled for it. Fingers chewed and everything.

While I don’t think it’s the ultimate all in, it would be fun.

5-2 Oilers.

Scungilli Slushy

It would be fun, if they move him it will be for on the fly rebuilding, so it will cost

DevilsLettuce

Spend it all plus some on Crosby after he falls madly in love with McDavid at the 4 nations.

Scungilli Slushy

Heh heh

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I don’t mind Saad, but another add that’s above league minimum is possibly gonna affect Bowman’s trade deadline plans.

Gaz Gazzersson

if Saad is inbound, could the Oilers do the mutual contract termination thing with JSkinner?

Last edited 6 hours ago by Gaz Gazzersson
Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I don’t think Skinner is going anywhere. He’s never played in the playoffs, and has a no-move clause.

cowboy bill

If there’s a playoff team out there that would give him more ice time than what he’s seeing in Edmonton. Why wouldn’t he? He just wants to play hockey and contribute, not unlike Broberg & Holloway.

Sure, he might want to win a cup, but that’s not a given even in Edmonton.

Last edited 5 hours ago by cowboy bill
Harpers Hair

Why would a playoff team want him?

cowboy bill

Good question. I suppose to score goals. Apparently, he still has that ability I’m told.

DevilsLettuce

As it stands Skinner will be hard pressed to get into any playoff games, especially if Kane returns.

Nuge/McDavid/Hyman
Podz/Draisaitl/Arvidsson
Kane/Henrique/Saad
Brown/(Janmark/Philp)/Perry
Skinner/Philp/Kapanen

There’s a massive logjam that from afar doesn’t appear Skinner has the compete level to work his way up. Definitely going to be some movement in the group before deadline, Skinner could do himself and team a favor by moving on.

cowboy bill

I wonder how the Blues can just go about terminating a contract out of the blue without a valid reason.

Gaz Gazzersson

If it’s mutual with the player, it is possible.

cowboy bill

Saad’s numbers are very similar to Skinners. I don’t know why this is happening to Saad, but I also don’t think the Blues will just allow Edmonton to snap him up. Maybe his game has fallen off. I’m suspicious, however I will say I would prefer Saad on this Oiler roster over Skinner. A fourth line with Saad-Philp-Perry/Kapanen might not be too bad.

DevilsLettuce

There’s nothing the Blues can do to stop anyone from signing the free agent.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

I also don’t think the Blues will just allow Edmonton to snap him up.

That’s not how mutual contract termination works, though.

STL has no influence over free agent signings by other teams.

cowboy bill

Ok fine. So why are they terminating his contract?
It’s mutual, what is it does he no longer want to play hockey? There has to be more to this.

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BornInAGretzkyJersey

Lack of production, especially relative to cap hit.

He agreed because it gives him a chance to sign another contract and play in the NHL versus the AHL.

cowboy bill

Apparently, he has no interest in playing in the AHL. That is why this is happening and since no team will claim his current contract off waivers. it’s an interesting scenario. Since he has ties with Bowman there’s speculation he might sign in Edmonton. Makes sense I suppose. He certainly might be able to bolster the bottom six. Have a looksee and find out, I guess.

RDIII

It’s a strange thing in hockey how media and fans think that because two people know each other or are from the same town they will make life altering career choices with financial sacrifices to be on the same team. Not a single person from my hometown, and very few from my career (can count on less than all fingers on one hand) would have any influence in what I put in a sandwich, let alone major life, financial, and career decisions.

cowboy bill

The games people play.

v4ance

A mutual termination of the contract means that the team and the player both agree to cancel the remainder of the contract and all the money would have been owed to Saad for the rest of the season.

If they didn’t go this route, Saad would have had to accept a demotion to the AHL, while still getting paid his NHL salary. As a long tenured veteran, the Blues gave him an out to go to any other team and get him off their cap and their bottom line.

cowboy bill

Very good and since he has no interest in playing for their AHL affiliate they mutually came to this agreement. Saad loses his contract for the remainder of the year but can sign with a team of his choosing. Works for both sides because he’s off the books for St. Louis. So glad you understand.

Gaz Gazzersson

on Friday he can sign with pretty much anybody, i believe

cowboy bill

Saad may choose VGK or some Florida team.

who

I’ve watched a lot of Blues games this year and Saad has been invisible in most of them. Maybe a change of scenery jumpstarts him, but I don’t think he’s an improvement over what the Oilers currently have.

Scungilli Slushy

I looked at NST and his numbers are not good and lag. Bowman knows him, but that was a long time ago. There’s no guarantee he’s more reliable than Skinner or Kap, and he’s far from top 6, isn’t a shooter, and no where near as fast as Kap. I think think speed is a huge help in playoffs to push the other guys back

RockySLeafs

Good point

RockySLeafs

The Oilers will have 5 million not prorated at the TD ..that’s pretty pretty good

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

I’m no capologist, but I think Klingberg is eating into that now by about $800,000, and any amount over league minimum for Saad (or anyone really) will also reduce that amount. I was surprised they agreed to pay Kingberg $1.7M with all the efforts to accrue space/LTIR management they have been talking about all year.

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Reja

Why exactly did Saab terminate is contract with still a year left on it? Kane is the only one that comes to mind but that was done for basically financial reasons. I don’t think anyone has that with so much owing the following year. I know players have terminated their contracts because they’re stepping away from the game but is this a unique case?

LateNightOilFan

From the articles I’ve read, he would prefer to end the contract and take less money on a new contract with another team to continue playing out the season in the NHL. His additional year remaining and his high cap hit was preventing another team from claiming him on waivers and a trade wasn’t attractive to other teams for that reason either. The Blues would have paid him to play in the AHL, but he doesn’t want to play in the AHL. Basically no one wanted to pay him at the current price & term. So now it is a mutual contract termination, he has a better chance of being signed to a lower priced contract by an NHL team to finish the season, and the Blues save $ and cap hit. It doesn’t happen often because most players don’t want to walk away from the money. Sounds like he just wants to play in the NHL, realized his contract was a limiting factor and chose a new opportunity to play in the NHL over the money owed to play in the AHL and a subsequent buy out in the summer.

We as fans often talk about how much money these players make over the course of their careers, maybe this is a case where he just wants to play and is happier to just walk away from the old contract for a fresh start, even if it means less money on a new contract. You know, love of the game and all.

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Bruce McCurdy

Kane had a major falling out with the Sharks, got suspended by the team, both sides wanted to move on.
Not a whisper of a problem with Saad, until boom.

Reja

I don’t know the exact praticulars and how bankruptcy laws work especially in the state of California but to me Kane was financially driven to terminate his contract with San Jose who were all in on the termination. Saad seems to be doing it for a non-guaranteed opportunity to play the rest of this year and next year on a team that wants him. That’s over 6 million dollars vs ? he’s foregoing which like I said seems to be a unique case.

Traveller

That’s not the full story and the rest is important to understand the differences between Kane’s and Saad’s situations.

The Sharks first suspended Kane, then unilaterally terminated his contract for cause (for their belief that Kane had violated the terms of his contract) initially with the league’s blessing. Kane, who may have wanted to move on in his mind, did not want his contract terminated and with the help of the NHLPA filed for arbitration saying that the Sharks did not have grounds to terminate his contract.

While the appeal was ongoing, he was able to sign with the Oilers for the remainder of that season and play. Once he resigned with the Oilers in the off season, he, the Sharks and the league settled the dispute, and since most of his lost wages from the terminated from the contract were replaced by the new contract from the Oilers, the Sharks were left with a modest cap penalty applied retroactively to the prior season, since the had the cap space. Had Kane never resigned, if the Sharks lost the arbitration, they may have had to shell out a lot more and had a bigger cap hit.

The Sharks and Kane were in full disagreement, the Blues and Saad are in full agreement.

LMHF#1

Saad should be taking the place of one of the less offensively gifted forwards if he is signed, but unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be how NHL coaches work.

cowboy bill

Coaches like defensive responsible players that can’t score the odd goal.

cowboy bill

CAN.

hunter1909

Methinks Oilers are going to split the next 2 games…

Wings are on a big comeback coached by former coach McLellan…

Maple Leafs are always trouble for the Oilers.

I would naturally have preferred to predict(and get) a sweep.

Scungilli Slushy

Maybe those challenges will help them dial in again. They have a big opportunity here, and if they some help from the other games tonight, they might set themselves up for not having to be so frantic at season end

There are 6 teams that are hot and challenging for top ranking. The Oil sit 4 pts back of the Jets and Caps, and have a game or two on hand on three of them

Scungilli Slushy

6 challenging, 5 hot, the Knights aren’t playing well, but never count them out it seems

DevilsLettuce

6 points back of each, Oilers and Caps have played 50 games, Jets have played 52.

Scungilli Slushy

Yes thanks. I have a malady so evil I can’t think straight, and it doesn’t want to give up like they usually do. Hope I can stay awake later

Tarkus

Prospectron!

An OHL quintet is on today’s docket.

Barrie (Akey, Wakely) @ 5 p.m.
Peterborough (Stonehouse) @ 5 p.m.
Flint (Day, Clattenburg) @ 5 p.m.

All times are the same time and are also Cynthia time.

Todd Macallan

The Peterborough Stonehouse? I spent a month there one night.

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