Oilers at the Deadline, Vol 5

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danny

Thanks for your work on this LT and good luck with the new book 🤞

OriginalPouzar

From the deadline that brought Ron Low and Don Murdoch to Edmonton, through the deals that will be announced in the next three weeks, it has been a long and fascinating run. 

No certainty, as its Bowman’s first deadline with the organization and we
don’t know what he’s thinking (except what he gave Nugent Bowman) but I don’t think we are going to see big moves at the deadline.

Everything he has done has seemed very targeted – from Emberson to Podz to getting Paul Fischer and even the Kapanen and Regula additions.

I don’t forsee him just trying to get the biggest fish available just because – I see him focusing on what he thinks the team needs to upgrade in areas including depth.

In my opinion this team has barely got out of 2nd gear and have vastly underperformed as a whole on the season and, even so, are in 3rd in the NHL while being far from the best.

I know others have differing opinions, mainly with respect to goaltending, but there are not evident major holes on this team – in my opinion.

A McCann or a Tuch would be a bigger move than I expect – I can hope for somthing like that but I think we are looking at some smaller hole fillers.

Reja

The biggest move we see this spring is activating s fresh competitive Kane. If he’s 80% of what he was in the playoffs a few years ago Oilers will roll this spring, I do think they add another forward with some sandpaper.

anti-Trust Issues

The Oilers Trading NHL Defensemen at the Deadline, 2007 to Present:

Out: Marc-Andre Bergeron, Dick Tarnstrom, Denis Grebeshkov, Lubomir Visnovsky, Steve Staios, Tom Gilbert, Nick Schultz, Jeff Petry, Justin Schultz, Brandon Davidson (x2), Tyson Barrie+other assets, Kesselring

In: Curtis Glencross, 2010 2nd (Curtis Hamilton), Ryan Whitney, Aaron Johnson, 2011 3rd (Travis Ewanyk), 2014 5th (Tyler Bird), 2015 2nd (Siegenthaler), 2015 5th (CalebJones), 2016 3rd (Filip Berglund), David Desharnais, 2019 3rd (Ilya Konovalov), Matthias Ekholm, Nick Bjugstad

Oof.

Tarkus

Prospectilence!

A quintet of OHL’ers take the ice, 80% of which is in one game as London opposes Barrie. The House of Stone completes the sched.

Barrie (Akey, Wakely) @ 5 p.m.
London (O’Reilly, Nicholl) @ 5 p.m.
Peterborough (Stonehouse) @ 5 p.m.

All times are the same time and are also Judson time.

Scungilli Slushy

Thanks for the write ups LT, nice to see it all laid out, but man that’s tough to read through

anti-Trust Issues

1) Haven’t paid much attention to 4N roster construction but Hockey Canada seems to have more “we want to pick our guys/a certain type of player” than “let’s pick the best 23 players we can” than other teams in this tournament. I don’t really care as it pertains to this tournament, but I do worry about future Olympic/WJC teams.

2) Glad the 3 Oilers escaped without injuries last night.

3) Thought McDavid looked great last night – I wonder how much he’s been looking forward to this tournament. Hope that he (and Arvidsson) come out of this tournament playing well and can continue it down the stretch (I’m not worried about Ekholm).

4) LT’s summary above was a great refresher of Holland’s tenure and check against my own bias. I always have felt Holland had a strong tenure and I feel I could overlook/explain away his mistakes, but he did have a few pretty substantial whiffs at the deadline and always (over)paid to make sure he got his target. Not afraid to take some big swings, and when he hit it was a home run/hard line drive in the gap, but there was a lot of swing-and-miss in his game. Hindsight is 20-20, but man the Athanasiou and Bjugstad trades look bad. Frankly, it makes me appreciate Bowman’s tenure so far (working around the edges, not in a hurry to make a big move).

5) Circling back on TDL targets this year – as it always seems, it’s easier to find a middle-six/top 9 forward than it is to find an above “good bottom pairing”-caliber D. It’s looking increasingly likely to me that the Oilers top-4 D this postseason will be 14-2 and 25-36/27, and that any D they pick up will be a bottom-pairing type. A true top-4 D at a reasonable cap hit/under team control might be one of the few player types I’d be happy to give up Savoie for. If only Klefboms, Petrys and Sekeras grew on trees …

Scungilli Slushy

KH wasn’t terrible, but in his 5 years the team still had the same holes as when he started. I appreciate the professionalism he brought to the org which badly needed it, but he isn’t the only one that could have done that. They whiffed badly in interviewing Zito and passing. Far more active, I prefer the players he likes, and evidently he’s more right than Holland was

Couldn’t get enough of the old guard and Hockey Canada guys, I worried from day one about Holland’s track record the years before leaving Detroit, and particularly that he was getting old, and had achieved his laurels. When you have a player like Connor, the GM has to have that kind of hunger and drive and brilliance to match it, maximize it

anti-Trust Issues

Yeah I feel like his tenure did a lot to make the Oilers a more “well-run” organization, but then the Oilers made the seemingly snap decision to hire Bowman without doing much of a search, which made me start wondering how permanent/temporary Holland’s impact would be. Zito would’ve been a wonderful Oilers GM …

I don’t think Holland lacked the hunger/drive, etc., but my concern with the “established” candidates is that they can be stubborn/unwilling to change/adapt. If they’ve had success winning/building a team one way before, they tend try and recreate that success with a similarly constructed roster, rather than working with what they have and finding a way to build/win with what they have. Holland wasn’t as bad at this as Chia was, but both had a bit of that Kevin Lowe “I know something about winning let me tell you” stubbornness to them that I think held them back.

Durag

Holland inherited a team that had won one playoff series in 13 years. He had a couple of false starts before the team won 6 playoff series in his last 3 years, losing to the eventual Cup champ every time. He left the team as a strong Cup contender, thanks in part to a lot of roster pieces that he acquired.

He definitely didn’t hit on all of his moves, but he consistently moved the team forward.

I don’t think that there’s any doubt Sather is #1 in the pantheon of Oilers’ GMs. I’d put Holland at #2 with a massive gap between him and #3.

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Scungilli Slushy

Or you could say he inherited a team with McDavid Draisaitl Nurse in prime and Bouchard. Not many GM’s have that kind of running start

Reja

Holland was So-So he settled down the mob that was angry but for every good move he made a bad one followed. He started with ace king same suit in the hole plus a nice salary but he had no vision for the future. He threw away draft picks like dollar bills at a seedy strip club. I’m glad he’s gone the jury is still out on Bowman who’s Hawk team that won 3 Cups is way more impressive on the resume then the team Little Ceasars bought with cold cash in Detroit.

cowboy bill

Canada has a ton of players to choose from. Though in a tournament like this, it may be beneficial to have the proper players playing the proper roles as an actual team would, rather than players adjusting to different roles than what they’re accustomed too. The best team will win this tournament in this format.

anti-Trust Issues

I mean if you’re picking between two players who are in the top 6 on their respective teams for who to play in the 4th line in the 4N tournament, neither will be playing in their “proper role” on the 4L, and both will have some adjusting to do. Maybe if its close you pick a player who’s a great PKer, etc., but I think you get better results by picking the best player, rather than the guy who “fits” best as a 4Ler.

General McDavid

I think a more effective wish for Jesse would be that he finds a way to listen to the people trying to mentor him into being a consistent and coachable pro.

It isn’t on Zito or Sullivan or Woodcroft anymore to fix this player. After striking out of 3 organizations, the onus is squarely on Puljujarvi now. Last Chance Texaco has arrived. This is when you find out what a man is made of.

Will he finally reinvent himself as a viable NHL roster player or will he slink back to Finland to play bandy hockey?

Scungilli Slushy

His game much better suits the big ice and style of play over there. He’s such a horse and sort of clumsy, he can’t get out of his or anyone else’s way over here

General McDavid

Team Canada is what we thought it was. Binnington let in a soft one and the line with Cooper’s boys (Hagel and Cirelli) was scored on twice.

That said, the game was extremely entertaining and I think the boys will take it up a notch vs the USofA on Saturday night.

With everything going on south of the border, this is exactly what the doctor ordered. Tariff this!

Shamus23

Bennet may come in for Konecny

Traveller

Bennett might the player Cooper would want in line up facing Team USA with the likes of the Tkachuk brothers, Kreider and Miller among their forward group.

cowboy bill

The funny thing is a lot of Americans are sympathetic to Canada, except of course for the supporters of that orange buffoon down there. It most certainly could be dubbed the Battle of Canada.

Johnny skid

You calling anyone a buffoon is laughable. Give your head a shake…….

Reja

Being childless is not what this Country needs at the moment.

Johnny skid

Educate yourself

General McDavid

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Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

Put me dow for a pre-order for the next book.

John Chambers

If the Oilers have an opportunity to sign Marner or Rantanen this summer, who should they target? Or try to sign both? Or neither?

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Brantford Boy

Rantanen

Bar_Qu

Rantanen, with a bullet.

anti-Trust Issues

I like Marner quite a bit, but I’d still prefer Rantanen between the two of them.

If given the choice, I’d prefer the Oilers take a run at one of the UFA D (Ekblad, Gavrikov, Provorov, Chychrun, Pionk). Can easily see most/all of them staying with their current teams, however.

cowboy bill

It would need to be one or the other. Marner is small but he does everything at a high level. Rantanen is more one dimensional.

Harpers Hair

Rantanen is FAR from one dimensional.

He can play C or W, has scored 55 goals in a season in which he also had 50 assists, has killed penalties at a high level, can carry his own line and is rarely injured.

Reja

If we get either one of these players means Mcdavid is leaving on a jet plane.

rev.hans

Re the book: We just (self) published my mother’s memoir; I’ve floated several books to publishers in recent years; the appetite (market) for publishing “like it used to be,” is gone. Good on you for being crazy/driven to write a book. I’ll buy. My guess is everyone who read the first one is anxious to read the sequel.
ps. Where do I pre-order?

Shamus23

Marchand was a little beast last night. Doubt they trade him, but wouldn’t he be fun here

Scungilli Slushy

It’s in the organization’s DNA to have players like that. The Oilers at their best were never a ‘nice’ team. The ’06 team was nasty as well. Bring it on

v4ance

The rumored asking price for Marchand is a 2nd rounder and a solid prospect.

General McDavid

Really adds an additional layer to the evaluation of Holland’s work when you see who was drafted with the picks he dealt. Not so easy to call 2nd round picks ‘magic beans’ when they’re turned into Brock Faber and Lane Hutson. Ouch.

cowboy bill

It was interesting to see how Anthony Stolarz and Keith Gretzky didn’t get much playing time, or in Stolarz case any playing time in their respective roles with Edmonton. On closer look Gretz was 2 for 2 on trades while Holland IMO was 2 for 11.

General McDavid

I take solace in the fact that had Holland kept the picks, the Oil would likely have drafted two duds anyway.

cowboy bill

We will never know.

Shamus23

I don’t think the Oilers can afford what the asking price will probably be, but Jarred McCann. Would be the perfect fit here. The guy is a very good skater and has a great shot. He can pk, play the dot if needed ( doesn’t play it much). Has good size at 6.1/196.
and at 28 in his great years. With 2 years left at 5. Not sure Seattle would eat anything on him, but if they do it will be even more expensive , especially for a guy that will get you 25 plus goals.
My bet would be Seattle would ask for Savoie right out of the gate plus a 1st next year more than likely, especially if they do eat. But I have no clue really. But this is a guy that a lot of teams will be wanting. Especially a Vegas.

Harpers Hair

Plenty of chatter about McCann ending up back in Vancouver,

The Canucks have the cap space not to require retention and have several prospects Seattle might find attractive.

Shamus23

He could be the replacement for Miller I guess, just not as good and tenacious or a full time C man

donkeyboy

Here’s a brief summary of the Canucks first pick in the past five drafts (2020-2024):

Joni Jurmo, D- ECHL, Rapid City Rush, 10GP-2G-5A-7P (no longer in Canucks org.)
Danila Klimovich R-AHL, Abbotsford Canucks, 39GP-14G-5A-19P
Jonathan Lekkerimaki R-AHL, Abbotsford Canucks, 27GP-16G-8A-24P
Tom Willander, D-NCAA, Boston University, 26GP-2G-14A-16P
Melvin Fernstrom, R-SweHL, Orebro HK, 37GP-4G-6A-10P

By “several” possibly “attractive” prospects, did you mean two?

anti-Trust Issues

I too would like another forward, but if the Oilers only have enough assets for 1 “premium” addition, I think Top 4 RHD trumps any need for a forward. I’m also more confident that useful Top 9 forwards can be acquired for less than Savoie/2026 first, while I don’t think there’s any way to acquire a Top 4 D for anything less than one/both of those assets.

cowboy bill

I hope Bowman continues working around the edges.

SoCaloil

Man did Holland pay full price and then some

For the Kesserling deal,

I don’t believe a GM should be expected to win every deal, but a RH two-way blue is a damned unicorn.

..but a RH two-way TOWER blue is a damned unicorn

the guy is 6″5″ or 6″6″ and can skate!

anti-Trust Issues

Lesson for the other 31 teams around the league: If the Oilers GM is trying to trade you a RH defenseman at the deadline, get the call into the league office before they change their mind …

Jethro Tull

I’ve heard Mark Stone to the IR, Thursday 20th February at 10:30pm. Back to play the Flames on April 15th.

Shamus23

lol, he looked quite healthy last night

90s fan

Shea theodore. 7.5M just got freed up for Vegas. Theodore to return for playoffs. Book it. Mark Stone will take another turn next year.

Jethro Tull

Our roster just needs tweaking. We should have Kane back, so that may affect the deadline. If some of the off season signings start to cover their bets, then we should be good.

Last night’s game: I thought Connor played very well. If MacKinnon wasn’t such a puck hog, he could well have scored or set up the OT winner. Good on Marner, who had struggled with the assignment “get the puck and give it to Connor”. Couple of solid defensive plays by Reinhart, but largely ineffective. They refused to hit Connor at speed and yet the goal in OT was a very Oilers goal – the drop pass to the faster player.

I was worried about the game before hand when they interviewed Sid and Nathan. They were asked (paraphrased) “what do you both need to change to play with each other?” Sid kind of gave a stock answer, but Nathan said “just play my game and not worry about anyone else.” Sid just smiled as if this was expected. Now, Nathan may have meant it that he’s just going to play naturally, but it came across to me as “you guys are on MY team”. I bring this up because of his play in OT. I believe we could have won sooner if he used his teammates…

Shamus23

Yes MacKinnon was just a kook in OT. Especially that 3 on 1.

who

I don’t understand the puck hog comments.
MacKinnon with speed, got a defenseman isolated 1 on 1 with a big gap, and got the puck to the slot and took the shot.
That is something I’d like to see McDavid do more often.

90s fan

He’s definitely different than our studs, who sometimes look to have a competition as how open they can get the net to be before scoring. (Especially on empty nets!)

cowboy bill

I thought it was pretty funny how Team Canada got so many great looks, but couldn’t finish, and how good the Swedish goaltender was. Then how Binnington let a couple goals in that he might have wanted back. Not to mention the need to win it in OT. It all just sounded too familiar.

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Pretendergast

My mentality was you are Joe Sakic and are the alpha of your NHL team and would be an alpha on almost any team you’re on.

2 on 1 in OT.

Wayne Gretzky is on the other side.

You pass the puck 10 times out of 10. He didn’t pass 4 separate times.

Learn the lesson, get in line.

Neumann

It was just a strange sequence of events. 29 took it to the net 5x in a row. He got decent shots but gave up possession. On his last two rushes he pulled up at the blue line with 97 and I believe Makar with him and killed their speed then he regrouped and took it all by himself with no help. Then after they had to get the puck back he looked off 97 and did it again. I’m fairly confident 97 would have given it right back to him for a tap in or would have found the trailer for a wide open look. Just 29s style, take it to the rack… 97 is a possession player and will take his time and find the best look.

rev.hans

I’ve seen this “I’ll get ‘er done” impatience from McD too, more than a few times this season. Talented players who think it’s up to them. I think Crosby showed why he’s C on the team. Intense. But not feeling like he has to do it all himself when things are taking longer than he’d like.
It’ll be interesting to see how these dynamics develop over this short series. And, as someone (McCurdy?) suggested, what McD learns in the process. He had more juice last night than I’ve seen in a bit.

cowboy bill

I get in OT that Crosby & MacKinnon would be paired together. But I wonder if McDavid & MacKinnon with all that speed might have been a better combo. Duly noted MacKinnon needs to share the puck.

McNuge93

Ya, I agree about McKinnon. A couple of times he went 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. 3 on 3 play is about working the puck around until you get someone open.

cowboy bill

MacKinnon might have appreciated McDavid going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3 during the OT. The difference being McDavid would have found MacKinnon for the OT winner.

Bill

Appreciated the stroll back in time in regards to the deadline deals LT, and I hope like hell that the 2nd book comes around! I’ll buy a few copies!

Brantford Boy

Totally enjoyed the deadline mini series LT… thanks!

So mixed feelings on the Shea Theodore injury last night. Canada loses a good defenceman which sucks, Vegas may have an injury on their blue after the tournament, which is great. Knights probably find a LTIR loophole to squeeze Rantanen in at the deadline and make the Oilers give a 3rd round pick to Calgary which truly sucks.

Shamus23

lol, For sure. Andersson and possibly McCann adds

anti-Trust Issues

Sounding like he’s week-to-week, so doubtful he’s on LTIR.

dcsj

I sometimes wonder if trades are really worth the bother, but then you get one like the Ekholm trade. (Or the Roloson one.) I guess you have to make some duds along the way to score the winners.

also, wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the Four Nations tourney. I didn’t watch last night and I wonder if it is just a gimmick or what?

(edited to correct Roloson’s name. Autocorrect doesn’t like it)

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Bar_Qu

The game last night was miles better than I anticipated. I think the game on Saturday will be well worth watching.
Having seen it though, Hockey Canada made a couple of glaring mistakes by not upgrading the goalie position and by putting Doughty on the team (as a legacy add, he is just not up to speed). I also think Hyman in the bottom six over a couple of other guys would have been very helpful, but I am more than glad he is getting the 2 weeks off.

Shamus23

Doughty was not bad at all

John Chambers

The game last night was fantastic. The Montreal crowd chanting “Crosby! Crosby!” is something I’ll remember for a long time.
Watching McDavid play with Crosby, MacKinnon, and Makar on a powerplay was splendid.
If you love hockey you will love this tournament. Kicks the crap out of an all-star game anyway.

dcsj

Have to agree the allstar game has been a farce for years

rev.hans

There was a time when the All-stars played the reigning Stanley champs. That might be fun to revisit.

rev.hans

I was whining about Four Nations (middle of the season? What about injuries? Etc)
When I tuned in to proceedings at the shrine of hockey (home of the Habs, birthplace of the game 150 years ago, etc) and heard the crowd, all of that disappeared and I was in. And the game did not disappoint. What a PP! Lots of best on best playing well together. Habs fans cheering Marchand (!), and chanting Crosby Crosby Crosby. Shame about Theodore (fingers crossed for Arvidsson, Ekholm, McDavid & grateful no other Oilers are on the ice). I’m very much looking forward to Saturday, 🇨🇦 v 🇺🇸
Go Canada go!

v4ance

There is AHL level speed, NHL level and there is 4 Nations speed. Any fumbles and the counterattack happens even faster than in a normal NHL game..

On the second Canadian goal, the turnover at the Canadian blueline was in the Swedish net no more than 5 seconds later off the 2 on 1.

I mentioned it in the thread last night but it’s a good thing Hyman wasn’t selected for Canada and same for Bouchard. One misstep and the best passers and snipers of the 4 Nations will take advantage in a blink of an eye.

Hyman would always be a step behind and Bouchard would have zero room for the careless mistakes that he does at least once a game. We mitigate the lack of footspeed of our wingers by getting them to station themselves at the opposing blue line. Our system helps hide the slower boots by not making them skate thru the neutral zone with the puck.

Bar_Qu

That Kesselring trade rankles. Every time.

MushedPeas

Yup. Here Paul, take Peter’s money.

Scungilli Slushy

That one, and not being in on Kovacevic as far as I know, but I guess there wasn’t really a GM

Given they needed a RD, and JK is also 6’5 223, and costs 767K, huge miss. Devils paid a 4th and he leads their D in TOI. I hope Bowman is way better at that than what we are used to

anti-Trust Issues

Trades like Kovacevic make me think that a low-risk, high-upside trade for a D at the deadline might be the move for the Oilers. Jokiharju has (apparently) worn out his welcome in Buffalo. While he’s not making less than $1M and is a pending UFA, and of all the names out there likely available for a 3rd or less, he probably has the most upside. Of all the players out there who the oilers might be able to get for a 3rd + stetcher type package, he probably has the best chance of establishing himself as a 2RD to pair with Nurse.

Buying assets at their low point from bad GMs under a lot of pressure tends to work out well for the acquiring team. Would be nice for an Oilers GM to be on the other side of one of those trades for once …

defmn

Thank you for the stroll down memory lane and here’s hoping for an auspicious beginning to the upcoming Bowman series.

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