And The Wisdom To Know The Difference

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godot10

I think McDavid might just go year-to-year for awhile, playing out his contract every season.

Draisaitl and Bouchard, arguably, give McDavid the best chance of winning, if the Oilers can manage the rest of the roster. Considering the loss/lack of youth and drafts picks, this will be a year-to-year challenge.

So McDavid might just take it year-to-year.

So this season might be the first of many, where this could be McDavid’s last year as an Oiler.

There is nothing like the fierce urgency of now. All we have is today.

If/when the possibility of winning in Edmonton passes, or when he accomplishes what he wants to in Edmonton, or when his wife and family develop different plans, it becomes easy to leave without a fuss.

Last edited 19 days ago by godot10
TheGreatBigMac

Interesting idea. He takes all the injury risk on himself though. Do you think he could take out insurance for that kind of thing?

jdhardy
anonymous

Sure, insurance companies gladly share the risk among all of us lucky policy holders. No risk to profits.

Fibonacci

Wouldn’t that reduce his trade value should it come to that?

How much would another team pay if it was for only 1 year or a fraction of one.

Fibonacci

I expect you’re right but it would tighten the screws on the team even further.

OriginalPouzar

Per Tony B:

Kris Knoblauch says Zach Hyman will not be ready for the team’s season opener on October 8th.

Hyman & the team are targeting a November 1st return. #Oilers

OriginalPouzar

This would permit them to put him on LTIR (they would only get $3.8MM in LTIR reserves) but it would allow them run 14F and kick the can on some decisions down the road (or 8D or 3G if they did claim/trade for one).

Fibonacci

https://x.com/jimmathesonnhl/status/1968796948711850157?s=61

If Zach Hyman isn’t back until Nov 1 as he rehabs his dislocated wrist after June surgery he will miss 12 games in October. Needless to say that is significant. Who plays RW in his spot? No sure things. Tomasek, Mangiapane, Kapanen, Savoie? None is close to Hyman

2minutes4lookingsogood

We don’t know what Tomasek is until we see him in some games.

OriginalPouzar

As the coach basically told us yesterday, he’ll try “good vets” before high skilled/high pedigree rookies in the top 6 – Mangiapane and Henrique in the top 6 in group A and Kapanen with Drai in Group B:

EDM lines & pairings – Group 2:

Podkolzin – Draisaitl – Kapanen
Janmark – Frederic – Howard
Pitlick – Hamblin – Hutson
Clattenburg – Samanski – Jarventie
Storehouse – Copponi – Lafreniere

Nurse – Walman
Kulak – Emberson
Dineen – Brown
Millman – Prokop

Savoie was with Nuge in Group A, and that’s just fine, but this coach has said he won’t try the young guys in the top 6 and we are seeing it already.

Kapanen was the worst offensive forward on the team last year but he’s with Drai because……?

Benign Bone

Looking like Kapanen may be Knob’s blind spot.

greenshifter

For the answer re-read your own post. You answered it not once but twice.

David

”he’ll try good vets before high skilled rookies”

That’s the coachiest option. Coaches gonna coach.

TheGreatBigMac

Knoblauch said he doesn’t want to elevate the kids to the top 6 and then have to demote them if they struggle. In other words he wants to be confident they are setup for success vs expectations.

Last edited 19 days ago by TheGreatBigMac
LMHF#1

Has anyone noticed that hockey players don’t seem to be carrying a ton of muscle mass these days?

At the Marner presser the other day, he looked downright scrawny.

I’ve noticed the last two playoff runs that many of the Oilers weren’t looking as built as I expected them to be.

Starting to wonder if modern sports science is advocating something different in hockey than in other sports. Other athletes are adding muscle. Even in non-traditional sports for that to be the case.

Not sure if people are noticing the same. Struck me as odd.

RENNAVATE

Too much muscle slows you down. Generally, leaner means faster. Specifically re hockey players, they’ll put muscle on in the summer (most of them), and they shed it during the season because there’s very little time to lift weights.

Last edited 19 days ago by RENNAVATE
Taylsie Haller

Composition is vital. Fast twitch fibres, built via high intensity resistance exercises, increase speed. More muscle equals more speed. It is important for athletes to train the muscle they build so that it is responsive to the movements they enact in their particular sport. So, hockey players should have at least some on ice time during their off season training. Additionally, muscle is the best way to protect from the insults to which competitive sport subjects the body. More muscle equals less likelihood of injury.

Neumann

They are carrying less muscle mass in their upper bodies but the lower half is another story. Don’t need to be jacked up top, just need to have enough armour to protect. Lower half needs to be strong and explosive.

Taylsie Haller

Hockey players tend to be asymmetrical. Skating posture along with handedness leads to unique issues with shoulder girdle and back. Training focused on symmetrical muscle acquisition (again, fast twitch fibres are preferable) on shoulders and back is important. Upper body muscle mass is a priority. Crosby is a great example of a body maximized for playing hockey. He has great upper body development, and his lower body is massive, so big that it makes his upper body appear small in comparison.

For the most part, there are long standing narratives that muscle slows athletes down, that it makes them less flexible, and it hinders movement. The narrative is not borne out by observation of high performance athletes. Consider Olympic weightlifters, the athletes who consistently produce the quickest movements (as evidenced by research projects at several olympics), have some of the highest proportion of fast twitch fibres, and are remarkably flexible.

LMHF#1

Protection and strength up top should still be a thing. Not a fan of the current default hockey player build.

Taylsie Haller

Purely by happenstance, for 4 or 5 years I had the great fortune of training alongside professional hockey players during their summer, off season training. A family friend was a major player in creating and running training programming for athletes from a variety of sports. The hockey players sessions were intense. They combined Olympic lifting with band training, some kettlebell stuff and body building, ran sprint intervals and some distance, did insane core exercises every day, and on ice sessions 2 or 3 times a week. Their warm ups were great workouts!

Anyway, by the time they headed off to their respective camps they had put on noticeable muscle mass and their body fat was low – maybe 8% on average? (which is crazy!) The muscle mass was distributed evenly. Of course, their large muscle groups were larger than the smaller muscle groups, but all muscle groups were increased in size. Veterans put on muscle, but not nearly as much as the younger guys. Some of the latter would add more than 20 pounds of muscle. High t-levels combined with good nutrition and serious training has major effects on body composition and maximizing performance.

My friend was clear, muscle is key to force generation. Nearly all sport performance can be reduced to force generation. The greatest athletes tend to produce force in superlative fashion. Of course, there are other important attributes and skill at play, too. 🙂

Apologies for long windedness, I find the subject remarkably interesting.

DBO

interesting lines???/

Jack Michaels
@EdmontonJack
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50m
McDavid w/Tomasek & Mangiapane to start camp. RNH lines up at centre w/Henrique & Savoie.

So Draisatl with Podkolzin and maybe Fredrick in other group? That would be a big mean line. Or eventually swap Savoie and Fredrick?

LMHF#1

A Speculation – If we find out that the ask from #97 was “get us a damn goalie” and they didn’t do it…oh boy…

Fibonacci

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod

Per sources, there is an expectation free agent forward Michael McLeod will be joining the Hurricanes this season. Carolina also checked on Carter Hart, as I and others have previously reported.

Diablo

Good on them – they are supposedly a forward thinking organization. Clearly they are not going to let the media driven narrative get in the way of improving their team.

Freddy

He’s made it clear his priority is to win the cup. 

He already has generational wealth. More is better but not THE priority. 

So does he truly believe this team can win?  What does HE think the holes are?  Have those holes / will those holes / can those holes be solved now, this season.  And so does he believe this is the right team at the right time.  

Does he believe this is the right management team to succeed?  They made mistakes last year …

Money.  Maybe not THE most important factor but important all the same.  To state the obvious and as we all know, the cap is going up significantly. What bar should he set himself against. This year’s cap or the one to come?  

Should he take less to help the team win?  Does he believe management would use “his” money wisely. And again against what cap is he taking a team discount. 

Term. So based on these factors so far, what is the right term? What is the right decision?

But then consider these things. 

Injury. He’s had two doozies.  Either one, the shoulder (can we say Klefbom) and especially the knee could have been career ending. Should he sign long or take the chance …

Family … who knows. 

Friends … it seems clear he’s got some on the team.  Is it enough?

Finally … how does he weigh the impact of delaying his decision on the impact it will have on the team and this season. 

And on the same point, if he believes signing short term is best, even though he really wants to stay with Edmonton, is he concerned about the turmoil that decision will have regardless of his good intentions. 

This is not easy. 

Win or not, money or not, term or not, risk or not, family, friends, turmoil or not?  

He has a lot of balls to juggle. 

And he’s more than earned the right to make a personal choice. 

But as a fan it’s sure hard to wait …

We should all just leave it alone for a while. I can’t imagine the constant questions and comments are at all helpful. We might be creating our own demise …

SVR

Fair comments, but McDavid isn’t helping the situation either. Why be so cryptic in these interviews when he knows the fan base is hanging on every word? Also, he has had months, if not years, to think about all of these things. Surely if there was a will, he could sit down with management and hash it out in a few days if not hours.
I know he lives in a totally different world than 99% of us, but still you’d think a potential 135 million dollar decision might take priority in one’s life. It’s all I would be thinking about every waking hour of the day!

Dee Dee

He has earned the right to keep his options open and take some time to determine his families future.

With that being said, if one decides they are going to move on how does one approach the coming year without setting off a torrent of problems?

If he is completely open and just states he will leave at the end of the season the team literally craters around him and he gets eggs thrown at him for the rest of the year.

Exit Management Strategies are a thing.

LateNightOilFan

I get your point, but McDavid has never struck me as a player who enjoys being interviewed. He tends to give cryptic responses more often than not. You look at some players and you can tell they are just more comfortable with the media. I think he is usually just trying to be careful with what he says, which of course comes off as cryptic.

Moonlight

He has to also ask himself the question, can I finally perform at my top level when it matters the most. He must take ownership of the fact that he’s underperformed in the SCF two years running, both offensively and defensively.

Fibonacci

This could be a function of the coach running him ragged.

McDavid averaged 24:26 TOI/G in the playoffs.

Sam Reinhart led all Panthers forwards at 21:31

All those extra shifts add up over 22 games.

Team depth proves again to be a massive issue.

Moonlight

I don’t doubt that this is a factor but that’s two years in a row that he has disappeared in the biggest games in the Finals. He must find a way to break free against teams like Florida. He has a tendency to underperform against tight checking teams, regular season or playoffs. I’m just saying that while I understand he’s frustrated losing back to back Finals, for all of his greatness, he was a contributing factor in those losses.

LMHF#1

He didn’t look tired – he looked not up for it. Further, great players want to play 40 minutes a night. There is no way he’s complaining the coach played him too much.

Fibonacci

Not suggesting he was complaining.

However, if you take on a high end shut down team like Florida when they are much fresher than you, you’re going to have issues.

Barkov played an average of 4 minutes fewer per game in the playoffs.

That adds up over 22 games.

2minutes4lookingsogood

There were 1 or 2 days off between games.

Fibonacci

Playing as many as 10 extra shits per game than your opponent cannot be overlooked.

Scungilli Slushy

That Florida had LA Kings 2012 levels of energy shouldn’t overlooked either. Especially by the league, it wasn’t that long ago and things came to light after, and Gary was around

Moonlight

Chris Pronger for example averaged… averaged 30+ minutes per game in the SCF and was a beast. There were games in the 2006 Finals where he played 40 minutes. McDavid has no excuse for not meeting the moment. I’m just saying he has to take responsibility for that. Management has made their errors but if he wants a Cup he has to contribute more himself.

Scungilli Slushy

I would put it he shouldn’t try to do it all himself

Moonlight

I don’t think that he should try to do it himself either but he has to be better in important games in the SCF.

OriginalPouzar

Per Tony B:

Group 1 – Oilers Main Camp:

Forwards:

McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins, Henrique, Savoie, Mangiapane, Tomasek, Philp, Griffith, Lewandowski, Lazar, Jones, Petrov, Grubbe, Pitlick, Stefan, Marjala

Defence:

Bouchard, Ekholm, Stecher, Akey, Regula, Stillman, Leppanen, Carfagna

OriginalPouzar

Lines for Group A today (per all the media):

Tomasek-McDavid-Mangiapane
Henrique-RNH-Savoie
Jones-Philp-Lazar
Rh. Pitlick-Marjala-Griffith
Petrov-Grubbe-Lewandowski/Stefan

Ekholm-Bouchard
Stillman-Stecher
Leppanen-Regula
Carfagna-Akey

Skinner
Pickard

—————-

Henrique on wing as we suspected

Tomasek and Mangiapane with McDavid looks over Savoie (Nuge winger suggests 3RW look).

Stecher will Stillman suggesting we’ll see Kulak/Emberson in Group B.

OriginalPouzar

Also, of note, Philp taking line rushes with AHL player – on the outside looking in from the start. Sigh!

OriginalPouzar

100%, until he signs, there will be turmoil. If he is unsigned heading in to the season, a 2-0 deficit will be chaos let alone 2 losses in a row.

At the same time, he could put pen to paper at any moment in time – heck, maybe he’s signed since the last time I checked twitters?

LT mentions the concert walk out – I mention taking time to call Issac Howard and held recruit him during the summer – McDavid is fully committed to this team, right now and he does things that indicate he has not plans on leaving. Maybe he does end up leaving but I don’t see escape plans right now.

What I am going to focus in in the interim is that he looks great (fresh, happy, peak of his powers), he is expressly not happy with his recent game, he wants to prove that 50G was not a one-off and I think he’s set to his best overall, 2-way season of his career. Maybe not 150 points but I have little doubt he recognizes he was poor in the SCF and cost his team goals against and will be a prime McDavid from game 1.

Can you imagine, Prime McDavid and Skinny Stu together at last.

Last edited 20 days ago by OriginalPouzar
Reja

I think McDavid bonded with Frederic as well so there’s that besides Issac choosing to come here. I just can’t see Leon going as deep as he did if Connor was wishy washy about staying. On the other-hand this looks like the exact playbook that Marner used in Toronto where it was fairly successful.This playbook won’t work in Edmonton if Connor strings along the faithful and bolts at free agency his Legacy will take a huge hit.

Scungilli Slushy

The Leafs GM didn’t seem to have learned his lesson in Calgary. He should have been on high alert. Maybe higher ups had fingers in the pie, but losing a top two on the team twice, and another who he didn’t notice wanted out, wow

Hopefully Bowman is smarter

godot10

The women’s 400m at the World Track and Field Championships lived up to its hype this morning.

Rafa Nadal

Sydney is very, very good.

godot10

2nd and 3rd fastest times in history, and finally within reach of the likely doped result from 40 years ago. So probably the two legit fastest times in history.

godot10

Two seasons ago, the oilogosphere vociferously proclaimed left shot defensemen could not AND should not play the right side.

Today. Hurrah….Walman is playing the right side.

It seems likely Draisaitl bonded with Podkolzin because he and Vasily were the earliest arrivers on game days and practice days.

Bar_Qu

Drai mentioned on 32 thoughts that he is generally the earliest arrival to practice and that Podz and Pickard are the next two to show up.

LadiesloveSmid

There was discourse like 8-9 years ago around effectiveness of LH-RH pairs vs guys on their off-hands. Some tangible changes in CF%, xGF%, GF%.

I think what we learned since then is when you just have a number of high-end D, it usually washes out. With healthy Ekholm, this is strongest D the team has had in 20 years – if not longer.

Scungilli Slushy

This. It’s not the wrong thing to do, but it’s not ideal, Walman would do better at LD

Given they like 2 of their LD and are stuck with the other, Jake is the BPA and doesn’t get killed

Just J

There’s really not a lot of options here but wait it out. I have to admit it is impacting my level of engagement this preseason. When I get home from work, I’m not watching Oilers (or NHL) stuff -Jays are a good story right now so it’s not like there’s a hole that’s sitting empty. I don’t know how many preseason games are being broadcast, where I have to go to watch them and whether or not there’s exciting stuff going on behind a paywall on some Oilers app or something. With all I’m shelling out for Sportsnet right now, on top of TSN, DAZN, Apple, Prime Netflix and everywhere else I need to buy my way into to follow the sports I want to watch, I can’t help but consider that after the Jays are done, there’s nothing but hockey on SN and it would be a good way to save a bit if I broke with the Oilers all together. I dunno, it’s just a gloomy kind of vibe right now and it’s not pulling me in like the team does every single year at this time. A short post season for the Jays though (de rigueur) and a strong start could change things quickly, but I have no appetite for 6 months of ‘will he or won’t he?’ If the team starts poorly, this could be an ugly year.

OriginalPouzar

Vibes will be just fine soon.

The team realizes not caring about the regular season last year was a poor approach.

McDavid knows he had a poor year last year (the last couple) and is motivated to get back to 50G and likely 140P levels to once again show the hockey world not only is he the best player but there is a real gap.

The goal is Stanley and they are a contender!

Brantford Boy
Todd Macallan

Indeed this is my own affirmation during this time, though I choose to disregard Lloyd’s subsequent “insanity later” assertion.