Ventilator Blues

by lowetideedm
  • At home to: Chicago (Expected 1-0) Actual 1-0
  • Road: Blues, Stars (Expected 1-1-0) Actual 0-1-1
  • At home to: Avalanche, Blue Jackets (1-0-1) Actual 1-1-0
  • On the road to: Sabres, Capitals, Lightning, Panthers (1-2-1)
  • At home to: Stars (1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Kraken (0-0-1)
  • Expected Record: 6-5-3, 15 points in 14 games
  • Actual Record 4-3-1, nine points in eight games
  • Season Record: 9-7-4, 22 points in 20 games

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Jesse Pizzajarvi

Lines are coming into view! This is how I’d like to see it eventually shake out

Savoie – McDavid – Hyman
Podkolzin – Drai – Roslovic
Howard – Nuge – Mangiapane
Janmark – Henrique – Kapanen

Frederick (I know, I know), Tomasek

Gerta Rauss

Not Oilers related but Adrian Kemp signs with the Kings

8 years x $10.625M

https://x.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1990186631127781812?s=20

v4ance

Ouch. No hometown discount on that deal. The last 4 years of that deal could be real ugly. He’ll need to be a top 6 forward until he’s 35 to make that deal look good but history shows a lot of fast skilled forwards start losing their hands around age 32-33.

Tarkus

RIDERS!!!

Somewhere, Jo-Anne smiles.

doritogrande

I was there tonight. As a fan with no team to stake, I got exactly what I wanted; a game that came down to the final play.

Spent a lot of the intermission talking to the lady decked out in Rider green behind us; turns out she was the mother of Bo and Nelson Lokombo. Did everything we could to convince her and papa Meyers to have their boys to “come on down to Winnipeg” next year.

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Funny Bissonness

Now you have Declan for that!

Fibonacci

Minnesota beats the Golden Knights 3-2 in OT.

Vegas moves into the second wild card spot but has games in hand.

I’ve never seen the standings so tight at this point in the season.

Only Colorado and Dallas slowly pulling away.

Reja

We are a full 1/4 of the way through a condensed schedule. We sit tied for 30th in save percentage there’s only one team worse and of course we blew a 2-0 lead against them (St.Louis) WTF is going on this is Edmonton not flakey Vancouver or loserville Calgary we hold players and management accountable in these parts. Why won’t Bowman fix this major leak before it’s too late?

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Fibonacci

Those pesky Canucks with 5 AHL players in the lineup mage a 6-2 win over the Lightning in Tampa.

Now 2 points out of a playoff spot.

Fibonacci

Notably scoring for the Canucks…Kiefer Sherwood with his 12th of the season.

Quinn Hughes with 4 assists.

Reja

They are going to get a boatload for Hughes not many players hold more value especially when you include the Cap for another year. I expert a brinks truck return for him this June-July

Fibonacci

The problem will be who has the assets to acquire him and their need for a #1D.

I took a look through a bunch of rosters earlier today and found slim pickings of teams that have both.

Reja

He’s only 26 doesn’t get hurt often. Honest question for position-age-cap at the moment who has most value all things considered? Myself Hughes-Connor-Leon

Ranford.85

Doesnt get hurt often? Has only had one season where’s he’s played over 80 games…

Reja

I’m not talking about his brother Jack I’m talking about Quinn Hughes the excellent D-Man on Vancouver. Quinn has missed a average of 5 games a year over the last 6 years that’s pretty good attendance by a slight D-Man in the tough Western Conference.

Fibonacci

Hughes and Evan Bouchard were drafted 3 spots apart in the 2018 draft.

Hughes has played 447 NHL games while Bouchard has played 367.

Hughes played a full 56 games in the Covid shortened season while Bouchard only played 14.

If value for games played is an issue, Hughes is very far ahead as point totals reflect 426 – 254.

Neumann

And playoff games played are 75-30 in favour of Bouchard. Playoff points 81-26 in favour of Bouchard. Playoff goals 20-2 in favour of Bouchard. I think Quinn Hughes is an absolutely incredible hockey player.

OriginalPouzar

Quinn Hughes is constantly banged up – they play him a ton.

Fibonacci

Games missed previous 5 seasons:

0
6
4
0
14

Neumann

Bouchard has missed 2 games total last 4 seasons. And I believe they were both last games of the season for a rest. Nearly 400 games in 4 years.

Reja

The man is good trust me I’m no Canuck fan he creates and drives offence. If I’m being objective he carries the team more than any player in the league that’s including Makar.

Pretendergast

Maaaaa! The Canucks are going deep with Arshdeep Bains again!

Maaaa! They have an older hurt goalie and their best player is leaving in a year after their captain called their highest paid player slurs.

Maaaaaaa! They traded their best goalie to the Penguins and have been chasing demons since Edmonton solved them 2 years ago.

OriginalPouzar

Samuel Jonsson stopped 19 of 21 in a 2-1 loss yesterday.

rev.hans

LT, a question: I love your monthly prognostications, but am wondering where they come from? Is it your head (math)? Or is it your gut? Or something else?

rev.hans

Thanks. Your “feel” is remarkable. I enjoy matching your assessment with the results.
For the record, I looked back at the results of Fall 2024. I believe you called it: 22 pts after 20 games.

daniel

This team without the glimmer twins is much weaker, as projected in the off-season and as shown by the numbers below. These numbers will be below expected on both sides of the ledger for the rest of the season, as they were last. Interesting that the actuals from last season are a mirror image of the expected from this season.

What sticks out are the against measures, expected and actual, and save percentage from this season. Even with weaker offensive production without Draisaitl & McDavid, the real killer is the poor defensive performance and goaltending when they are not on ice. This speaks to both systems and execution and something needs to change.

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Without Draisaitl & McDavid

2024-2025 5v5

xGF60 2.34
xGA60 2.39
xGF% 49.97

GF60 1.85
GA60 2.47
GF% 42.86

SH% 6.94
SV% 90.71
PDO .976

2025-2026 5v5

xGF60 1.8
xGA60 2.47
xGF% 42.14

GF60 1.12
GA60 3.49
GF% 24.32

SH% 5.4
SV% 84.53
PDO .897

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v4ance

Systems wise, the breakout relies on a long bomb pass to the opposing blue line waaaay too often. It means we don’t make it thru the neutral zone and spend more time than last year defending in our own zone as the puck gets intercepted at center ice over and over. (See Walman last game)

On the forecheck, we’re going with a wide 1-2-2 so the opponents can’t rim the puck on outlets but have easier exits right down the middle of the ice. If we went back to a narrower 1-2-2, the F3 middle forward would be in place to intercept more pucks near the slot and generate immediate high danger chances.

When we do actually gain control in the offensive zone, not enough forwards are driving the net for rebounds or tips or screening the goalie. Our team has the highest percentage of shots from defenceman which have the lowest percentage chance of going in. We have too much perimeter play trying to pass the puck into the net rather than accepting the punishment that comes from going into the slot and going for the higher danger chances. (We do miss Corey Perry and Evander Kane going to the net and mucking it up)

On defence, the D aren’t communicating passing off assignments well enough or flat out missing assignments. The low forwards who should be protecting the slot are either late, puck watching or puck chasing and leaving the slot for the eventual scorers to stroll to the front of the net.

Honestly, it’s a coaching issue. They’re trying to preach systems that aren’t working optimally for our personnel

Scungilli Slushy

To me the lack of consistent traffic has to do with the system. It seems players are anticipating going to the corners when there is a point shot, so they aren’t charging the net to screen tip or get a rebound. Part of them playing the perimeter so much

Many teams play the strong side hard – overload – because it takes time away and that is probably more than 50% winning the battle. In the O zone the Oilers protect the weak side probably too much, or in the wrong way

So they are prioritizing possession over quality. This seems to filter into the shots increasingly being taken by the D. It’s like McLelland’s shot volume (hoping for breakdowns and luck) vs. teams that prioritize setting up higher quality chances (not having to rely on lucky bounces as much)

This roster can skate, so they should be able to play whatever system as long as it’s not too complex, not right for these guys. Trying to control the boards – for a team that isn’t that strong in one on one battles or that good with their sticks – obviously isn’t working

They need to start playing much more in the middle of the ice, where everything good and bad happens. No more guys left uncontested in the slot, lots more traffic at the other end

Woodguy v2.0

Noah Philp isn’t quite there, and Curtis Lazar is a little inconsistent but has earned more playing time.

I’m liking Lazar quite a lot.

By my eye he’s aggressive on the forecheck and good at getting in passing lanes. Good at wall battles, especially in the dzone.

Best bottom sixer so far this year imo

I had a look at one of my favourite single public metrics which is Evolving-hockey.com ‘s Relative to Teammate xGF%. Essentially its the weighted sum of a player’s WOWYs.

Lazar leads EDM with +0.87 xGF% so the fancies meet my eye. The next 5 on that list were 97, 29, 93, 19(!) and 28.

If I had my druthers the lines with full health would be:

18-97-22
28-29-92
88-93-20
13-19-48

20 can be 93’s forechecking F1. 88 has been ok, not great, but is being kicked in the teeth by the PDO pony, and he can score. 20 also gives that line a RHC and LHC for draws. Same with 19 (LH) and 48 (RH) on the 4th line.

BuceriasBrian

What do we do with # 10 ??

Woodguy v2.0

Punt if he doesn’t improve

OriginalPouzar

What does a punt look like?

Coach him and hope he plays out of it.

There is a history of a good player and he’s 28 – its in there.

Kert

What do we do with # 10 ??

Feed him to Olivier?

rich tm

Trade for a bag of pucks.

Kert

Trade for a bag of pucks.

Bag of pucks has positive trade value.

prefonmich

The Frederic problem is solved by this coach line to him: “sit in the press box and watch Hyman for the rest of this road trip” we don’t need you to eat punches to show your worth. We need you to hit skate and fight for the puck like your life depends on it. If he doesn’t do just that when he’s back in, give him time in the AHL to regain confidence. He looms like a broken man. Totally lost and confused about what is being expected of him.

fishman

Very well said!!!!

cowboy bill

#20 is the ideal 13th forward. #10 can just as easily be 93’s forechecking forward.
#49 is doing fine at RH4C with #19 & #13 on his flanks. But what happens when #42 comes back, they’ll be 14 forwards deep in depth.

godot10

I think you need to play 10 with 13. 13 gets involved which may force 10 into competitive physical play. 8 years of a marginal 4th line winger at nearly $4 milliion something AAV. Geez.

fishman

Play well or sit.

Boil-in-the-Oil

Recently saw an episode of the Simpsons, where Moe Szyslak defined what MVP means to him . . . Most Violent Puncher (luv that btw!). At one time this kinda defined one of the roles Darnell filled very well . . . we need one of those MVP’s, not a tough-guy-only, but an NHL player who can face-punch really hard.

Kert

Mr. Lauzon will tell you the roll is filled.

Boil-in-the-Oil

I had totally forgotten about that one… that fight was a season highlight and was another reason I praised the Podz acquisition. Thanx for the reminder.

godot10

Janmark is actually good at the role he has been assigned. 4th line LW who plays hard and can do a little bit of everything at forward except PP. His flaw is that he is careless with his stick too often.

I do not understand why he attracts so many haters. If a veteran or prospect forward cannot leapfrog Janmark, that is a problem with the veteran or prospect forward, not with Janmark. It is not a high hurdle.

Coaches like reliable players wherever they slot in the lineup. I am fine with him as #4LW. Knoblauch is basically signalling the minimum standard to the forwards who want a larger role when he plays Janmark.

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cowboy bill

It’s not like he can’t play higher up in the lineup also.

Kert

If a veteran or prospect forward cannot leapfrog Janmark, that is a problem with the veteran or prospect forward, not with Janmark.

Forget the Mendoza line, we’ve got the Janmark line.

Reja

It’s only 1 poster and his groupies.

Diablo

If the option is Janmark versus what we’ve seen from Mangiapane and Frederic … I take Janmark all day long.

He’s an aggravating pest, and that’s absolutely a valuable and rare skill in the NHL. He’s also quick and a decent PKer, who doesn’t cost much against the cap. It’s just too bad his hands can’t keep up with his feet.

I absolutely agree … if a player can’t beat out Janmark for a job in the NHL, then they don’t belong in the NHL.

Reja

I can watch him score that game 7 Goal over and over. When your 2 best players in once every couple of decades most import game is Ceci and Janmark your fuked.

OriginalPouzar

The issue was last season Janmark was not reliable – lots of defensive mistakes through the season and in the playoffs.

Given his black hole offensively, he has to be locked down 2-way which, through 3 games, I think he has (I haven’t noticed any particularly poor plays).

DevilsLettuce

Not drafting Jesper is sure looking worse by the save.

Tarkus

It’s not Reinhart-for-16-&-33 or “the trade is 1-for-1” level of awful, but you can see it from there.

Your Edmonton Oilers: Pissing Away Value Since 1988

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ing316

The 1-1 should have been better for sure but I put that in a lower tier on its own as we got a hell of a good dman at least when we were fairly weak in that position.

blackadder

They basically traded Wallstedt for Bourgault and Luca Munzenberger.

Reja

Stupid is what stupid does. At least we upgraded to Jarventie. Even when Wallstedt was struggling he fetched a package. I wonder what his worth would be at the moment? This was a Colossal blunder by Holland and his sidekick drafter extraordinaire Mr.Wrong.

DevilsLettuce

All the “he won’t be ready to help McDavid win anything” crowd has gone into hiding.

Reja

Billy Guerin has a couple of Cups if he was our G.M. I know Billy takes Tkachuk over Jesse and also that Boldy kid would sure look good playing with Leon.

Ice Sage

I’m not sure he would have developed as well in the Oilers goalie coaching wasteland

Reja

When’s the last time we had a Goalie of Wallstedt potential ( Dubnyk ) I believe at one time he was projected in the top 10 or lower. That is very rare for a Goalie nowadays. We fuked up anyone that says otherwise is full of shit. Half the game of Hockey is Goaltending if you have a consistent rock for a decade it is so much easier to fill in the rest of the pieces of the puzzle. Even if Holland didn’t want Wallstedt you could of turned around and flipped for more value.

LMHF#1

“No Wallstedt”, from the makers of “DeBrincat is for suckers”, “Cole your own Caufield” and “Boldy going nowhere”.

maudite

Nuge – Magpie 3rd line -> YES PLEASE!

There are guys that are a bit more unique. They are amazing in ways individually in some or many ways but they play their way and that way can come with sone deficiencies depending on who they play with or at least limit their upside depending on whether they play with people that can compliment them. Coaching and management has to do their work surrounding these players with the right personnel
-> let’s call these guys “uniques”
-> case 1 mcdavid -> yeah he can almost do more alone and almost carry a line even if 1 or more linemates are of no use to him but you lose value big time this way. The complimentary parts are much easier to find if you actually look at what has worked before and think a bit. Maroon can score 20 goals because he was big and knew how to use it. Drive net, picks and always have stick on ice ready for quick shovel in if he ever managed to sneak some open ice in close. Exactly same as perry. Both can also cycle puck exceotionally well and if mcdavid skating free form gets jammed that is most likely thing that will happen in order to try to keep puck in zone.
-> case 2 bouchard -> calmest player i’ve almost ever seen. Nerves of steel and confidence but somedays a bit too much of this. Needs a solid tough partner who can really fight net front, good at least at retrieving pucks and breaking cycle who has decent at least short passing skills to get the puck over to him to tape to tape it wherever the hell the open forward is going
-> case 3 nurse -> he’s not a shutdown dman. He’s a solid pk player, his athleticism can get him back out of trouble but they paid him for after he was a rover scored a bunch of his goals sneaking down from point river boat gambling, had ample power play time and often carried puck out or into offensice zone. Knows nothing about what a stretch pass is and hasn’t met a net his point shot if he winds up can’t ususlly miss. What did they do after his career year and sign thst contract? Dubbed him sir shutdown and buried him in the defensive end. Results to be expected. He’s okay but far from perfect at it. And he most definitely can’t carry a pair doing a job he isn’t meant for.
-> problem with case 2 & 3 being in this category is you now need 2 guys who can specifically compliment both of them. Like undeniable bouchard is a better meshes with Mcdavid (not adaptatively complimenting but mutual styles best played) which means while nurse is a solid player he will likely never be value miscast in last man back defense role, next to no puck carrying and skating or pinching. Not the guy for the job of shutdown.

So yeah our defense composition capwise is inherently flawed at top end and this will always be a problem if a team is stubborn enough to keep both of them or they need to get the actual guy thst coukd compliment nurse. 2 years ago at deadline i wanted gudas. You need an actual shutdown guy on his right side. It’s not him and never will be. You are losing 10 goals off his stick alone a year because he stopped sneaking in.

There’s guys who can play around people and adapt to best fit line needs
-> highest end IQ
-> certain temperment required in that they truly are what is best for team/company types rarer than most
-> generally, these guys have what it takes to play top 6 Forwards/ top 4 defenseman or can be part of a deadly 3rd line or bottom pairing and likely more than competent any special teams role you might add them to
-> i call these the “adaptables”
-> drai, nuge, henrique, hyman, ekholm & walman, and maybe savoie in time

There are players that are best suited to play certain style of games. When used in the right systems or lines that cater to their strengths they can be positive impact players
-> let’s call these the “square peg round holers
-> magniapane is a prime example to me. These types of players should not be within a country mile of the uniques they don’t fit.

He is too small to cycle or fight his way to high danger make space with his stick on ice. He’s an opporrunistic north south player and passing decisions and ability under pressure aren’t good enough to find mcdavid wherever he is. Him on that line is the most i’ve ever seen errant passes that don’t make it because they aren’t to where player is they are to 7 out of 10 tens this is where players might be variety.

How he’s spent so much time to degree mcdavid’s results are dragging this baddly is madness. When they got him i assumed he was likely seen as the guy who has some scoring ability that put with drai and podz on other wing good chance a guy like drai could figure out how to adapt to use them both effectively.

Nuge mcdavid hyman
Podz drai magpie

That’s a maybe might work sort of thing.

I think roslo works better but he also might work with mcdavid. Only issue with that is that hyman and roslo aren’t good enough on defensive end tgis line could bleed to much other way if not scoring in heeps.

What i’d like to see

Rnh rici magpie

Or

Magpie rnh rico (with rico at least taking strong side draws but more likely all defensive end ones and then those two just swapping over when theee’s opportunity because i think nuge is better in center of ice outside the draw portion).

This line gets heavily weighted dzone draws. Try to score of rush or get puck in and get line 1 or 2 on again.

If you put them this way:

You might be able to use nurse a bit more right way as well. Because nuge was the guy who covered for him by and large the season he kept scoring on pinch in (up left wing nuges side. Where nuge when he saw this magically almost always covering him). Gives nurse some of his rover back as he can skate puck out more often and even take some chances skating it into offensive end.

Have sone different options deoending on who is on ice. Developing strstegies around uniques to a degree.

Keep nurse away from mcdavid and vice versa but drai can recognize and change attack strategy at drop of a hat depending on which d pairing is behind him.

So, what do you need?

A very specfic type of RW to compliment mcdavid fully.
Option 1: good at puck retrieval/cycling, good big enough to find space with puvk on ice for magic pass tap ins or goaline shovelling, sonewhat defensively competent.

Option 2 -> lethal sniper type. Smart at finding open space mid range or better with a shot that kills.

Kuzmenko is my personal cheaper range option for a few years now. I think you find the right option 2 this team is the best it’s ever been.

I think easier to find a decent option 1 that will work to be solidly outscoring if heavy weighted to ozone letting line 2&3 do the heavy lifting defensively.

If they had that guy they could make 2 pp units and actually use them.

3-5 less minutes to the positive of mcdrai be a huge upgrade. Like last couple minutes of every period throw them together or late in a game but and end to if they go diwn a goal instantly that’s the call made and even if they hace played a full shift or more if a powerplay given they stay out there. Like it just seems such a piss pour mentality for effective minutes and team building.

As for nurse need the shutdown guy like larsen or whomever. 2a/2b type pairings as i think walman can carry a lesser player.

Right move is trade nurse in my opinion. Not because i don’t like him but if walman is your 4th you have wrong complimentary player for him to be positive impact as he could be and bouchard can get puck to mcdavid in motion which far superceeds nurse skating out of position with it as an option.

End of babble.

Rugbypig

That’s not babble, that’s serious thought and a great read too!

cowboy bill

It’s terrific that Savoie is starting to make his presence felt in the top six, especially with Nuge out of the lineup. The two top lines seem secure and when Nuge returns he could secure the bottom six in a huge way as the third line center, should they decide to go that route. They could also play Nuge with Connor & Zach on the top pair misplacing Savoie to the bottom six. I wonder if Savoie could play 3c? There’re still plenty of questions, as soon
as one is answered another pops up. That’s just the way it is the roster is in constant flux. Howard did well in his AHL debut as expected, it’s exactly where he should be, working on his game. Because one day he will get his chance and it’s best he be well prepared, as Savoie seems to be at the present time.

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Sierra

Skinner for the win!

and go Riders!

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fishman

I envision Frederic and Mangi’s playing time faded to zero. Neither close to living up to their contracts. Hopefully Nuge back soon and perhaps Kappenen???? I did like a lot of Stans work initially but Skinner, Arvidsson, Frederic, Mangi telling a different story.

Bobcaygeon

Curious, I can’t remember if that’s Jackson’s work or Bowman? I do hold him responsible for the goaltending though.

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fishman

Oh yea lots of issues. Was really only looking at veteran players signed in last couple of years. Stan failing to recognize most players regress as they age. Mangi was a 4 th line player in Washington last year and they obviously didn’t try hard to keep him. Frederic clearly had a serious ankle injury and likely still affected by it (at least I hope his problem is injury) . Currently giving him an 8 yr deal looks bat shit crazy. Should have given Jack Mangi’s deal instead.

cowboy bill

The season is still young. When the mighty Nuge returns he could ignite Freddy & the Breadman. That’s what I hope to look forward to seeing.

MushedPeas

Fred contract trending ‘horrible’ rather than ‘excessive.’ But yeah. There’s still time.

Rugbypig

Skinner and Arvidsson were not Bowman deals the only part Bowman played was with Arvidsson a deal to get rid of him . . .

OriginalPouzar

Definitely faded last night and I think that will continue in-game until they earn more.

I’m not going to talk about firing either in to the sun because that’s not realistic – them finding semblance of their expected games (for me, I expected 3rd line play from Mang, not top six) is realistic and hopefully comes sooner rather than later.

They’ve both been below awful

leadfarmer

Savoie Mcdavid Hyman
Podkolzin Drai Roslovic
Rico Nuge Mangi
frederick 4c (whichever you like) Janmark
let’s go!!
4th line still a black hole but 3rd line should be able to outscore the opposition

DevilsLettuce

Howard is going to look great in that 3rd line shooter role.

They should shut Frederic down and get him sorted out, we all know Janmark is going to become 4C with two forechecking wingers running alongside by season’s end.

cowboy bill

I haven’t given up on Philp as the 4RHC. Janmark is better on either wing along with Henrique, Kapanen & Lazar. Ironically they all have played the center position as well. Howard belongs in the top six, someday his time will come, maybe this year or maybe next.

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DevilsLettuce

Savoie seems to have grabbed the McDavid connection while Podkolzin and Draisaitl have a blood pact.

Howard/Nuge carving up opponents soft underbelly would be music.

cowboy bill

IMO. Reliability is a thing, and it might take some time before Howard is filling the net at the NHL level.

DevilsLettuce

He’ll have a much higher chance doing that alongside Nuge rather then Henrique or Philp.

Skill with skill.

Reja

Philp needs more marination time let him Centre Howard and Jarventie in Bakersfield. If the line gets cooking with gasoline bring up entire line while benching the players that aren’t contributing.

LateNightOilFan

Philp would have to go through waivers and would likely be claimed.

OriginalPouzar

If only there wasn’t a salary cap, roster requirements, waivers and various other related things to attend to.

I like Samanski and Marjala as the top 2 centres in Bako.

Reja

There just seems to be no plan with bottom 6 players. Like why not form a couple of lines give them a identity. Checking line-energy line-low event lne used in important situations. The button 6 is just a jumbled mess. We have players that are talented but they look lost to me. It’s a good thing Rosolvic is on a mission from God If I was him 1st thing I do is fire agent if he hasn’t already.

OriginalPouzar

Could be Kap on that fourth line with Frederic at center if fully healthy come December (when Kap is “scheduled” to be ready).

Death By Misadventure

What’s the latest on Nuge? Is he back for Buffalo?

cowboy bill

Not even sure if he’s on the trip. He might be back in Edmonton. Who knows?

OriginalPouzar

He’s not on the trip but that doesn’t mean he can’t easily join them when ready.

Coach said a week “we assume” a week ago.

No real update since then except unofficial accounts of a concussion.

I don’t think we see him on this trip but that’s my personal speculation.

Gerta Rauss

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6808668/2025/11/15/oilers-zach-hyman-ike-howard-troy-stecher/

DNB provided a small tidbit in yesterdays piece – it’s nothing official and certainly not definite….”likely next week” for Nuge’s return

The piece by DNB also provides some info regarding the thought process behind the 2 transactions Stecher/Howard- because of Howard’s entry level performance bonuses, he counted as $1.6M towards the cap

If the Oilers had sent down say, Stecher and Tomasek, they almost certainly would have had to move a 3rd body to get to the $2.2M number needed to activate Hyman

Additionally, he mentioned that Stecher’s name had been out there since mid-Oct, and there were no formal trade offers, nothing got past the conversation stage

Reja

Why make the O’Reilly trade he was hand picked and progressing nicely. We now have Howard who’s been sent to the minors so he can gain what ?. Gain back the confidence he lost playing 4th line minutes. What happens when he comes back there’s no room for him in the slot he’s supposed to be slotted. Maybe they want Howard to become a energy forward like Clattenburg all I know is they should of kept O’Reilly.

leadfarmer

Or let’s try it this way. If he started of the season in the Ahl to get some pro experience and called up after 40 games no one would have batted an eye. But because of injuries he started of in the nhl to get sent back down to where he should have been in the first place

Reja

We had the perfect 3rd line Centre marinating at a nice pace. Howard is a skilled scoring Winger that will not be placed in a position to succeed with K.K. He’s not bumping the Vets this was a dumb trade it’s like Bowman seen a shiny toy and bought it without consulting the Coach and having a game plan for this Winger. Between the Howard trade and the Ingram project this is making me question if Bowman is just winging it or he actually gives a fuk about my Oiler Team.

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cowboy bill

O’Reilly is still developing & so is Howard. So neither are there quite yet and that should be expected it takes time.

OriginalPouzar

Sam O’Reily is playing junior hockey.

He is years and years away from being an NHL 3C – if he ever makes it. I think he will but he’s certainly no can’t miss lock

DevilsLettuce

Imo he’ll grow playing in the AHL in a less demanding environment, then return to the bigs and start burying passes from Nuge on the 3rd line.

Reja

I hope your right but if everyone’s healthy there’s no way a G.M is going to allow his Coach to embarrass him by not giving Frederic-Mangiapane- minutes. Rosolvic is a instant fit and Savoie is looking good now that he’s being slotted with some skill. There’s no room for Howard especially on the PP every vet we have has a NMC. There’s nothing wrong with depth in a organization but isn’t O’Reilly going to be a better fit for us after next Christmas. O’Reilly can be played in many different situations wheresas Howard is one trick pony point magnet but obviously this doesn’t happen playing energy minutes. Is Howard going to be a shooter on the P.P? I think not he’ll never see the P.P.

My question is why trade for him in the first place? Why doesn’t anybody ask the G.M or Coach real questions instead of all these scripted softball questions. These folks make gross money and all the power to them yet they should still have to answer to the masses paying their wages.

cowboy bill

You got that right, there’s no room for Howard at the moment. We don’t know if O’Reilly would have been a better fit. But it just doesn’t matter now, it’s the past, his future is in Tampa, if he ever even makes it. The future is unknown. Stay tuned.

Reja

Are you saying I can’t bitch and moan about trades and the team in general lol. I love my Oilers but until they win a Cup I’ll always second guess deployment-contracts-trades etc I get that some fans get all giddy about the team in general and all the power to them but I grew up in the world where results matter not excuses. We have 5 Cups the Jets-Flames-Kanucks 1 Cup between them when a Kevin Lowe-Paul Coffey speak about Hockey I listen with respect.

OriginalPouzar

You love to cite the glory days of the past.

What about Mike Krushelnyski who never saw the NHL until he was 22.

What about Jarrett Stoll – a 4th line center at 21, a full year in the AHL next season and finally a prominent NHL player at 23.

Young players need to develop – Issac Howard is 21 and developing. Sam O’Reily is 19 turning 20 and years away from being this all situations 3C in most likelihood.

Reja

Mike-Jarrett-O’Reilly were Centres way different job then a Winger. Most skilled smaller Wingers are usually peaking early just ask Yamo. Centres are another breed it takes years to master that position. Next time you talk to a NHLer or a retired
NHLer ask them about this subject dollars for doughnuts they agree with me. Also I believe Bowman envisioned Frederic as a future 3rd lune Cemtre and then poof O’Reilly traded. Don’t worry I’ll be keeping tabs on Mr.OReilly especially if K.K buries the Iceman who I do think will flourish once he’s traded.

OriginalPouzar

So you talk about SOR being this great 3C center by Christmas and, when challenged, now you say that’s OK as he’s a center and will take longer to develop which goes against your original point.

My goodness.

Reja

He’ll start on the wing after next Christmas this is how some teams develop. Not every team marinates their players until they give up like so many did under Sir Holland. Bowman seems to be no better if his Coach is scared of Rookies then fire him into the sun. Our window is now not 3 years from now start rolling 4 lines and get a Goalie this isn’t rocket science maybe Bowman’s lost his hunger. If he’s contend with this garbage low event hockey were playing then fire his ass into the sun and promote Keith like you should of 6 years ago.

OriginalPouzar

Changing yet again – no surprise.

We’ll see where it goes with SOR.

Of course, there is a large gap between being called up 3 months after turning pro and “marinating a player until they give up” but these are things you intentionally ignore.

OriginalPouzar

I hope your right but if everyone’s healthy there’s no way a G.M is going to allow his Coach to embarrass him by not giving Frederic-Mangiapane- minutes.

Coach gave Fredric one shift in the 3rd period and 7 minutes last night.

Your statements are not based in reality.

Reja

Spare me that’s one game and there could also be another reason for his limited icetime yesterday.

OriginalPouzar

I think the reason was pretty obvious based on his play.

Man, you’ll post anything to ensure you aren’t proven wrong on a point.

OriginalPouzar

There’s no room for Howard especially on the PP every vet we have has a NMC. There’s nothing wrong with depth in a organization but isn’t O’Reilly going to be a better fit for us after next Christmas. O’Reilly can be played in many different situations wheresas Howard is one trick pony point magnet but obviously this doesn’t happen playing energy minutes. Is Howard going to be a shooter on the P.P? I think not he’ll never see the P.P.

Your timelines for prospects remain highly unrealistic.

I think SOR will make it but his most reasonable time line is likely a full year (next season) in the AHL and at least starting the following season in the AHL, if not spending most of it in the AHL. When called up, the likelihood of being a locked in 3C is very low.

SOR can’t be played in any situations right now, less than Howard

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OriginalPouzar

Its unbelievable that you ask this question twice a week, get responses, ignore them, ask again.

Issac Howard is 21 years old and is 20 games in to his pro career.

The trade was made for the near term, yes, but also the medium and long term.

Let the effing kid develop.

OriginalPouzar

Hyman with 11 hits last night which ties Drai and Ekholm for the season. More than Bouch, Kulak, McDavid, Henrique, etc.

It was great to see but here is hoping he doesn’t try and re-live his playoff physicality nightly – he’ll never make it.

He has like 56 hits last season before doing what he did in the playoffs.

rev.hans

Perhaps he inspires a few other who actually have “hitting” and “forechecking” and “agitating” in their job description.

OriginalPouzar

Didn’t inspire anyone last night.

Hyman had 11 hits and a couple players had 2 – only 8 players (I think) were credited with even one.

Shamus23

Hyman was a beast Last night. He did way better than I expected for his 1st outing.
The Oil are going to need help in that bottom 6 at some point this year. Be nice to grab a tough, hopefully fast winger that hits a lot and can pump in a few . They should be looking really hard at a few guys if they don’t resign with their teams before the deadline .
Yes Evander Kane would be one for sure, Nick Foligno, Kiefer Sherwood #1 if Vancouver is stupid enough not to sign him.
Clattenburg was a beast last night and seems to be a super fan fav in Bakersfield. The kid can skate and hits like a Mack truck . He will scrap anyone. Bring him up for a cup of coffee later in the new year. It wouldn’t hurt .
Good win last night for the team. Hopefully that bottom 6 starts contributing on the score board. They need that badly.
I would offer Roslovic a contract sooner than later. He is a very good player now that he has settled in and seems to have gelled with Drai.

Todd Macallan

I believe the earliest Roslovic can sign an extension is Jan. 1

Shamus23

Ok, Tks

MushedPeas

I’d sign him with Trent money if it weren’t already spent and the player for multiple reasons unmovable.

Fibonacci

If Vancouver sells at or before the deadline there will likely be a lineup to acquire Sherwood and perhaps a shorter one for Kane.

What assets would you propose the Oilers use to acquire either one?

BTW Foligno suffered a hand injury last night.

Shamus23

I saw that with Foligno. But he would be ready well before the trade deadline. But Chicago could possibly make the playoffs as well.
I don’t think Kane would cost a lot unless he really picks up his point production.
Sherwood will cost for sure. If he is above 15 goals ( 11 now) by the deadline, He is always near the top in hits. Kills penalties and is fast. He may get Van a 1st if he is above 15 goals I am thinking. He would probably be worth that and more if he keeps up his goal scoring .

Fibonacci

The way the playoff races are shaping up with the standings so close, it’s possible that there are very few sellers at the deadline and those few teams that do will have plenty of buyers lined up.

Hell, even Vancouver which has suffered catastrophic injuries, is only 4 points out of a playoff spot with a game in hand.

DevilsLettuce

All talk on Canucks sports radio is Hughes leaving and a total sell off for a rebuild.

Fibonacci

No it isn’t.

There has been speculation about Hughes future for quite some time.

Jim Rutherford did an exclusive interview with Sportsnet’s Ian MacIntyre earlier this week in which he said there will be no rebuild and no sell off.

Of course, if Hughes declines to re-sign in the summer, the Canucks would have no option except to trade him but would do a re-set built around the assets received in trading Hughes which would be considerable.

However, if a team comes calling if/when Vancouver falls out of the playoff race I am sure they would look at moving players like Sherwood, Kane and Blueger who are all UFA’s.

Worth noting that Hughes does not have trade protection while Kane has a 15 team trade list.

DevilsLettuce

Yes it is, I’m in my truck everyday multiple times a day and it’s all the same verbal.

Even this morning they’re talking about how Hughes always takes his time with media and says the right things, and now he’s short with his words and extremely frustrated.

All of the talking heads are pushing for a sell off and rebuild. I’ve been hearing it for weeks now, this isn’t made up.

Talking about how thankful they are that Calgary is even worse so they’re not in the basement lol.

Canucks are cooked, wah wah.

DevilsLettuce

They were also losing it about Rutherfords interview, and immediately started talking about selling Elias lol.

Canucks are a mess, they were talking about how it shouldnt be the management team that can’t resign Hughes that trades Hughes.

Coooooooooooooked.

Fibonacci

Who , exactly, is they?

DevilsLettuce

I believe there’s only one sportstalk station out here, well only 1 my truck picks up. Believe it’s something to do with sportsnet since all those guys make weekly appearances.

It’s been weeks of the same, Canucks are dead, aim for a rebuild, sell it all.

Canucks are a mediocre squad destined to be cooked.

Fibonacci

There also have been many comments to the contrary.

You’re just hearing what you want to hear.

Shamus23

Since Rutherford arrived on scene , Vancouver mngmt has become a bit of a joke.

Shamus23

All the more reason to sell him to the highest bidder now. I am sure a lot of teams would buck up lots of pieces if they are a contender or even a few teams ( IE:Chicago, San Jose, etc) that are coming on and have lots of draft picks and youngins. Hughes says he wants to go play with his brothers, but I think it has more to do with going to the US . Pretty sure he would luv going to one of those young teams loaded with young suds. But Vancouver are idiots if they don’t move him, especially in a draft year that has several really great players in the top 6-7.

Shamus23

You think they would trade him off sooner than later to recoup LOTS. Even a team to get him for this playoff run and next would give up lots if they are a contender lacking that type of stud D man. There have been a few of the insiders mention over the past few weeks that he seems to be really disinterested in Vancouver right now.

DevilsLettuce

They’re in no position to compete in the west, I hope they double down and continue to get cooked.

Fibonacci

We don’t know what they are.

As many as 8 players on IR..some expected back soon.

Ryan

The Oil are going to need help in that bottom 6 at some point this year.

The decade of darkness called. They want their bottom six back.

Shamus23

lol, ya in that decade they had some stud , tough bottom sizers for sure

OriginalPouzar

Nuge should help the bottom six and Kap as well – replacing Lazar and Philp with those two is an increase in many ways.

Trent Frederic is supposed to be that winger you describe to a T – he’s not being even close to that but that is his game. I’m not sure why he can’t find even a semblance of it but I still have hope.

Connor Clattenburg has an epic AHL game last night.

He’s probably two years from being a thought at the NHL level – calling him up would be a disservice to the player and his teammates at the NHL level.

At this point, Clattenburg struggles to take a pass in open ice at the speed of the AHL game.

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OriginalPouzar

Hutson, Samanski, Howard, Marjala, Jarventie, Akey.

What a night. The kids are alright!

cowboy bill

Someday they will have their day in the sun.

OriginalPouzar

I think we can reasonably hope for 1 or 2 to “make it” in some respect.

I should also throw Clattenburg in there as he did have a game for the ages with two fights, a kind of fight, a couple massive fights and an on-ice interview for the crowd where he said “I fuking love being in that place” when asked about time spent in the penalty box.

Reja

I said they would be chanting his name by Christmas.

OriginalPouzar

Last night was a positive night for the Oilers.

100% the Canes carried the flow of play and had tons of zone time and shots. 100% the Oilers struggled with the Canes forecheck and were terrible in the break out.

At the game time, while Stu was very solid, and the Canes had a ton of shots, there was not a ton of great scoring chances or very high danger. The Oilers defended well in zone (until they tried to break out).

Both NST and Moneypuck had the Oilers ahead on the night.

Let’s not forget, the Oilers have travelled a ton this season already. This is their second time out east and the 4th on a 7 game eastern trip and 11 straight games in a different city.

It doesn’t look great visually but some individuals are back (McDavid and Bouch) and there are a ton that are struggling so hard they will no doubt improve on the year (Nurse, Walman, Kulak, Mang, Fred).

This team should be set up for a strong second half.

cowboy bill

4th game in six days. They get a day off then have another 4 games in six days. It sure don’t come easy.

Reja

Boo hoo it’s the same for most of the Western Conference.

Fibonacci

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC

Night of attrition in NHL

Some good news: Charlie McAvoy did travel home with teammates after being hit in jaw by a shot in Montreal

Drew Doughty: Blocked shot with foot. Should know more Sunday, was in a walking boot

Viktor Arvidsson: Scored but will miss some time (lower-body)

Nick Foligno: Out four weeks (hand)

Matt Murray: Left game after sliding to try and make save

Thomas Harley: Week-to-week (lower body), was playing hurt

Michael Kesselring: Walking boot. “Doesn’t look good,” per Lindy Ruff

Sam Honzek: Left game after fluke collision with Mikael Backlund

Fibonacci

Could be implications for the Canadian Olympic roster decisions as both Harley and Doughty have been under consideration.

OriginalPouzar

From most accounts, Harley is all but a lock and while I’m personally not convinced, Doughty is highly likely taken due to experience and “being a winner”.

I think the team is fully announced mid-December or something like that?

Fibonacci

Final voters have to be submitted by December 31.

OriginalPouzar

Thanks – I think I read something about announcing the teams earlier than that? I might also be making that up in my head.

Fibonacci

Apparently some teams will wait until after the WJHC to announce their rosters.

bcoil

Have I mentioned how much I hate the systems the coaches are trying to employ ? Everybody collapses in front of the goalie and for 2 minutes the opposition circles around until our players are exhausted .

When our defence gets the puck they have to hold on to it for about 3 seconds until the winger gets to the far blue line and then the D has to pass it up the boards through 2-3 opposition players which usually results in the puck coming right back at us in their possession .KK; Stan gave you bunch of greyhounds not Clydesdales .Where did this system come from ? Some Sunday night mens league?

The brilliance of Sather and Muckler was that they did not try to turn Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Anderson et el into bunch of Doug Jarvis;s but designed a system to take advantage of the skills they had . Those HOF players must be sitting at home watching the oil and screaming at the TV and KK’s coaching team about thier systems .

Bar_Qu

I’d like to take some credit for last night’s victory. Despite watching 80% of the game I did not witness a single goal. I left the house for a movie when I thought they would lose in third after Carolina’s tying goal. I’m not normally responsible like this, but I felt I added my own little part.

Also, is it time to try Regula-Emberson as a third pair? Give 27 a bit of a rest from carrying all those other players around? They’re both righties, but maybe…?

Death By Misadventure

How about

Eck – Bouch
Walman – Regula
Nurse – Emberson

Dont love the second pairing, but at least Nurse is on the third pairing where he should be.

godot10

Walman said he prefered not being jerked back and forth from side-to-side. They told him he was a right D. Let him play right D. The Oilers need him to play there and better this year.

rev.hans

I, for one, appreciate your sacrifice.
I was wondering why the two-goal lead didn’t turn into a loss. Now I know.
I hope your movie was enjoyable. I certainly enjoyed an entertaining hockey game.

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OriginalPouzar

Kulak is indeed struggling bit time right now – but so are Walman and Nurse.

At least Bouchard is rolling now and Ekholm has recovered from his 2-3 week slump (after a good start).

DevilsLettuce

Janmark doesn’t give anyone a choice but to join and get their hands dirty, and this team needs that.

He stops a second late, he chirps an extra word, he blows kisses with a face you’d love to punch.

Yes, he doesn’t score enough goals, yet the shit disturber sure is a fun watch.

Death By Misadventure

Agreed. Love Janmark. Although his scoring has dropped off significantly, he works his butt off, keeps his feet moving, and has enough skill and speed to not be afraid to transport the puck between zones.

Also have to give kudos to Lazar. Wasn’t a fan of the signing due to his total inability to put up offense, but love that he works hard while on the ice. Can’t say that for a lot of guys this season.

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Shamus23

Janmark looks better now than he did all last year

DevilsLettuce

He was doing all the same things while playing 4C as a lifelong career winger, disagree.

cowboy bill

Is he still on the trade block? Maybe his value is rising.

OriginalPouzar

Janmark has been a fine addition to the lineup the last 3 games. He’s been solid which is something that lagged in his game last year, regular season and playoffs.

Hopefully he can keep it up through the season and in to the playoffs.

Tarkus

A note on Hyman:

He is part-owner of the OHL’s Brantford Bulldogs. Through 21 GP, the Bulldogs are the only team in the CHL yet to lose in regulation time. They are the top-ranked team in the CHL.

Fibonacci

A note on the Bulldogs:

“The Brantford Bulldogs selected 7-foot, 273-pound defenceman Alexander Karmanov with the 172nd overall selection in the 2025 CHL Import Draft on Wednesday.”