Hurricanes at Oilers, G7 2024-25

by Lowetide
  • At home to: WPG, CHI, CAL, PHI (Expected 3-1-0) (Actual 1-3-0)
  • On the road to: NAS, DAL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: CAR, PIT (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • On the road to: DET, CBJ, NAS (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-4-0, 14 points in 11 games
  • Actual October results: 2-4-0, four points in six games
  • Oilers in 2024-25: 2-4-0, four points in six games
  1. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Remind me, when did the Oilers have a center with enough skill to be considered a future difference maker in the o-zone? Weight or Arnott is my guess, and the whispers are that RNH could be something special. One of the questions we can ponder over the summer is “which winger will he develop chemistry with?” come the fall. Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will certainly get the first few at-bats, but Omark and Pääjärvi are out there and the ridiculous Hemsky remains an option. His Desjardins NHLE (82gp, 11-27-38) is shy of Hall’s from a year ago (82gp, 17-29-46) and even if we factor in age difference (5-6 months) I believe Hall was a better offensive prospect at the same age. Still, this is another outstanding prospect for the Oilers, and the four year run of first round selections that began with Eberle has been stellar. Stu MacGregor, you magnificent bastard.
  2. D Oscar Klefbom: Redline had him #11 in the entire draft, saying he was “the best pure passer” of the top end blue for this year’s entry. Redline then shifts into overdrive: “At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year’s class.” I don’t know what he is, but it sounds very good. Klefbom’s range of skills means that he can have an impact even if he doesn’t bring a lot of offense when he arrives in the NHL.
  3.  D Jeff Petry: Mobile defender with a wide range of skills, has shown enough already to suggest the Oilers have a legit top 4 talent here. Young man with size, mobility and intelligence. Oiler fans will turn on him in the “Tom Gilbert” way but for now we can celebrate a solid prospect who delivered on promise. A fine young prospect, perhaps overlooked a little because of the marquee value of Hall and the rest, Petry (and Peckham) represent important developments along the blue for an organization badly in need of help at the position.
  4. L Curtis Hamilton: Impressive season has him here, He’s a solid 2-way winger. He just needs to do it on a bigger stage (consistently) to move up this list. Hamilton has a nice range of skills, and we should expect that he’ll get a long look on the skill lines during the next few training camps. Although Hamilton has the tool kit to be an effective checker, it’s also true that there’s an impressive amount of offense there and he comes with the reputation of being a digger along the wall and is strong on the puck. A very good prospect.
  5.  L Teemu Hartikainen: Hartikainen showed well when called up at the end of a very successful AHL rookie season. A wonderful prospect with size, skill and hands. Hartikainen was not a highly touted prospect and his draft day scouting report suggested foot speed would be his anchor. That didn’t look like a problem during his late season audition. I’m not sure where he’ll slot, but if he can find a center to work with there appears to be enough skill to establish himself as an NHL player.
  6.  C Anton Lander: The modern Doug Jarvis or does he have more offense and less defense? We’re about to find out. He has an enormous defensive reputation for such a young player, can’t remember the last Oiler center with this kind of rep. Marchant didn’t have this kind of rep iirc. The thing to remember with this player is that his skill set suggests he can do a lot to help his team win hockey games even if he’s not posting major boxcars.
  7.  D Martin Marincin: Lost traction after an outstanding start, making it difficult to slot him until we see more. There is much hope for this player, but he needs to bulk up and those splits (first half: 33gp, 10-25-35 +6) (34gp, 4-17-21 -18) are enormous. I’ve looked long and hard and haven’t seen any injury reports, so he must have run out of gas. We hope for more in 11-12. Puck moving defender who can play the position, he’ll be the next guy up for the AHL roster.
  8.  D David Musil: A throwback defender who fills an important role. A candidate for the “next Jason Smith” for an Oiler bunch who should be pretty good by the time he hits the NHL. Musil isn’t going to bring the O, but he appears to be plenty good enough to supply the D. A safe pick and a needed skill set (as reflected by the sheer number of defensemen taken in rounds 2-7).
  9.  G Tyler Bunz: Emerged as a legit prospect this past season. His SP (.919) ranked among the WHL’s best and he showed very well in the playoffs (although he did sustain an injury). Oilers don’t fast track goaltenders so it’s going to be awhile (Roy will get his shot first, it’s shaping us as another JDD-DD match). But the arrows are strong.
  10.  R Tyler Pitlick. PF prospect suffered a late season injury and played the entire season on the wing despite being touted as a center of the future. His offense was a little shy, but the boxcars (56gp, 27-35-62) ranked him 3rd among WHL rookies and his EV stats (56gp, 22-19-41) suggest he might be a player. His 22 EV goals rank him 2nd among Tigers during the regular season despite missing several games and playing only sporadically on the big scoring line. Pitlick has moved down the prospect list since his draft day.
  11.  G Olivier Roy: Solid technical goaltender lacks the size most NHL teams look for in their starters (he’s listed at 6,00, 180 so he’s not an imp). Butterfly type, he ran hot and cold all year long but looks like a legit pro prospect.I think he trails Bunz in the race for this cluster’s best G option, but that’s jst a guess. The Oilers won’t have to make a decision on either for some time, so for now it’s just flying sorties.
  12.  D Jeremie Blain. Impressive season for lanky defender. Although he took forever to recover from injury, once he did Blain showed a nice range of skills and reports have him being vital to the team’s success. Oilers think he’ll fill out and he could be a late round gem down the line.
  13.  C Chris VandeVelde. Looked pedestrian based on AHL numbers, but his coach defended his play and there was anecdotal evidence VandeVelde was being used as a tough-line match up. His play when called to the NHL was solid and helped his final number on this list. I dion’t think he’ll make it, but that NHL stint was solid.
  14.  C Tobias Rieder: Looks like he’s a candidate for diamond in the rough. Chosen after the obvious offense was long picked, Rieder is undersized but determined and more than a little skilled. Redline gushed about him, brought into perfect focus by this statement: among the 2011 draft picks on this list, Redline liked only RNH, Klefborm and Musil more.
  15.  D Colten Teubert. Tough defender is a real throwback and an intimidating player. Thunderous hits and a mean streak make him somewhat unique and his role as an enforcer is backed up by the ability to play a regular shift. Unlikely to impact at the NHL level next season, he should see a cup of coffee during 11-12. His AHL coach says Teubert plays with such an edge he already grabbed opposition attention after short weeks in OKC.
  16. D Brandon Davidson. Late bloomer has calm feet and can move the puck expertly at junior level. Knock on him was skating but he seems to have improved enough for it to be a non-issue in the WHL. Played 2 AHL games on a PTO (professional tryout) and early returns were positive.
  17.  G Samu Perhonen. Have no idea what to do with him. I expect Perhonen will open up a SAAB dealership with Tommy Salo by the end of the decade but Janeway found a wormhole for Voyager to save Tuvok so maybe MBS can find a goalie to save Steve Tambellini.
  18.  D Alex Plante. Enjoyed a much stronger season in 10-11 at the AHL level, but has been unable to jump the queue. Petry, Peckham and Chorney have held serve, and although Plante has not been passed by draft picks taken later, it’s also true that the organization felt a need to trade for a similar player (Colten Teubert). I think Plante may be in a little trouble as an Oilers prospect.
  19.  D Martin Gernat: Intriguing prospect who either bribed all English speaking bloggers to write glowing scouting reports or has some actual abiltiy. My choice for draft sleeper of 2011, Oiler chapter. Luedeke and Bugg are a perfect match in their assessment: there might be a player here.
  20.  C Ryan Martindale. Enjoyed a very strong OHL season and looks ready to turn pro. Has not signed a contract with the Oilers, so that’s something to follow. Played on a very famous line and delivered impressive numbers. His issues had mostly to do with consistency so the offensive output would seem to answer that question. I’m not certain the Oilers love him as one of their own.
    Missing the cut

The Oilers prospect list this summer is exceptional. At the bottom end there isn’t much to choose from (Ewanyk vs. Czerwonka? I have no idea which prospect is more likely to fill a role in the NHL five years from now) so most of these 9 kids might be on your top 20 list and you’d be right. I’m posting it because in some way it shows just how much talent is available to the Oilers at this time.

  1. D Taylor Fedun: Outstanding college OD who is mature for a prospect and could come quickly. We don’t know enough about him as a defender to project him with any kind of confidence but he’ll got a full season to show his stuff in OKC.
  2. L Drew Czerwonka. Big man impressed with rugged style and surge offensively. Part of a surprising Kootenay Ice team, we have to wonder a little about the offense but he does seem to have decent hands.
  3. R Toni Rajala. Undersized skill winger had a solid year in Finland. Teenagers often get benched for long periods in the SM-Liiga (ask Jani Rita) so the fact that Rajala played a regular shift in 44 games bodes well.
  4. D Dillon Simpson: A solid prospect but not good enough to break into an impressive top 20. A nice range of skills and from the scouting report it sounds like he’ll battle the Brandon Davidson’s of the world for playing time in pro hockey.
  5. C Travis Ewanyk: PF who works his bag off (source: Redline) and can win faceoffs, but the batting average is poor. Good NHL role players often come from failed scorers but sometimes you can bring a kid like Ewanyk along and he learns to score enough to stay in the lineup.
  6. C Tanner House: The Oilers might have something here. A nice range of skills, including a solid defensive rep plus he delivered in a very short period in OKC (6gp, 1-4-5 at the tail end of the regular season). One never knows, but he could fast track to the NHL should Lander show signs he needs AHL time and VandeVelde falters in TC. A very nice signing by the Oilers.
  7. C Milan Kytnar: Enjoyed a solid first year pro after spending an extra year in junior. Kytnar didn’t see a lot of post-season action, perhaps a reflection of his status once all those prospects were sent down from Edmonton at the end of the season. A player to watch in 2011-12, he certainly surprised with his quality of play in OKC.
  8. D Kyle Bigos: Huge defender (6.05, 230) had another solid year for Merrimack (NCAA). Scouting reports have him playing heavy minutes in all disciplines, so it looks like the Oilers may have at least an AHL regular in the big man. It’ll be years before we know the entire story.
  9. C Mark Arcobello: Not on the radar to begin the season, the undersized center forced his way up the OKC depth chart upon his arrival. An absolute long shot to have an NHL career, there are Frank St. Marseille’s every once in awhile and this guy might be one.

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winchester

When you have Connor and Leon the team develops a style, or a flavour of pretty goals. Some players will adapt pretty quickly to the teams style, going from basic north-south hockey to dipsy doodle. (Foegele quickly went from his strengths to playing a game that did not always suit him)

Both ways can score goals, and of course all goals count the same.

I like when guys like Kane come in with high confidence. He is less influenced by the team flavour and more likely to play the game that got him there.

I see this in Skinner this year. Veterans like Skinner, Arvidson, Henrique, Janmark should be playing the game that allowed success in the past.

Hyman played like a bulldog and was accused of not passing enough as he drove head down to the net. It worked.

I would like Oilers to bring out other dimensions of their arsenal. Let Connor and Leon play their game, but complement that game with other strengths as opposed to joining them in their attempts to pass the puck into the net.

winchester

As Emberson was voted the AHL” defensive defenseman of the year” that is some high praise. Exactly what we are looking for. Lets get him going.

W

Prepare for an OMG in the comments tonight if I see pp#1 change in under 80 seconds tonight, I think it just might happen.

McOnitloc

Hard to believe Hyman and Arvidsson are both without a point through 6 games. Think it’s just a matter of time. What do you think is the main reason for their slow starts? I know McDavid and Hyman had amazing chemistry but wonder if flipping Hyman and Arvy could get something kickstarted

LMHF#1

Hyman is a player who routinely goes through droughts. Combination of confidence and shooting by my eye. I wish he’d spend more time working on his shooting.

Skinner-Draisaitl-Hyman is interesting…so long as the coach doesn’t go 93-97-33 with the other line. That part doesn’t work.

Reja

I’m picking Skinner to score against his former team with Leon spoon feeding him.

Sierra

If not 93, then who is RW with 93-97. Really missing Kane

LMHF#1

I actually object to the Hopkins deployment – not Arvidsson.

Not sure yet to be honest – Connor is playing some seriously strange hockey to start the season.

Sierra

Sorry, I read it as Arvidsson joining the line. Do you object to RNH on Connor’s line or the combination of Arvidsson and RNH?

the-winston

I see the blues signed Neighbours…. this would make for a boring next off season. Eventhough Oilers wouldn’t be a position to offer sheet, was hoping other teams would.

OriginalPouzar

I thought that good teams lock up their young starts long term.

Maybe Doug Armstrong is too concerned with the Four Nations Team.

the-winston

Doug is clearly taking advice from Holland. 😛

OriginalPouzar

Per DNB (and, yes, Nurse on his off side):

Oilers lines and pairings at morning skate vs. CAR:
RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Skinner-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Podkolzin-Henrique-Perry
Janmark-Ryan-Brown

Ekholm-Bouchard
Dermott-Nurse
Kulak-Stecher
Emberson

Skinner
Pickard

cowboy bill

Nurse on the opposite side? Oh boy.
I guess that goes along with my word of the day “flexibility”.

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cowboy bill

Not sure why they want to mess up the Kulak-Emberson pair?

winchester

The try-outs continue!

DevilsLettuce

I’m not even sure Dermott is 2nd pairing in the AHL.

Top 6 looks great while the bottom 6 resembles the back of a fridge that hasn’t had a working light for a few years now.

The defense looks like the crisper drawers that haven’t been opened since the light went out. Best to just keep the smell contained.

If they’re moving Nurse to RD, just scratch the bottom pairing altogether lol

Kulak/Bouch
Ekholm/Nurse

cowboy bill

We’ll see how Nurse handles playing on his off-side. Maybe we eventually see a Kulak-Nurse pairing.

cowboy bill

Henrique didn’t have a very good game against the Stars. I suspect that might be why he was demoted to the fourth line. That’s the only way Knoblauch can deal with poor performances by the forwards.

DexandRuby

I’ve always wondered about Nurse on the right side. Makes sense to try imo.

I’m not a Dermott fan so far. I like Emberson, I wish they’d just keep playing him and let him get in a groove. The kid can sure hit.

Oddspell

I raised the idea a few days ago to a torrent of downvotes but it always made sense to me at least to try. As someone with a lot of natural tools, but some chaos to his game, I felt that adding (let’s say) 5% more chaos to Nurse’s game could be neutralized by the added flexibility in finding a calming partner

Before it became a non-issue, a lot of concern had been expressed over Broberg being blocked or forced to the right side. I was always perplexed as to why the idea of Nurse making the switch never came up. It’s too bad we’re trying it now; a year too late.

cowboy bill

Interesting how that works.

Scungilli Slushy

I think it’s possible it works. He doesn’t pass well off the left side l, can skate, and is better skating it out than passing

Scungilli Slushy

I think Emberson is about potential, maybe this year. He is a rookie so wobbles but is younger and cheaper and has a skill set more in line with the game they want to play. These managers appear to be able to have multiple layers – build for the future and make the team better now, as opposed to all in, blow the powder kegs!

LMHF#1

Wondering if Kulak-Stetcher is the real second pair for this game.

winchester

Lordy they could use a good role player or two in the bottom 6. 70 games from now this bottom six will be in dire need of a Red Bull.

Melman

Or a cold can of Philp

Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR

A couple of questions:
1) Why is the third line not the one that looked so great in the playoffs? I was looking forward to that combo for a longer stretch in the regular season. If they need Janmark on the 4th line, it might be time to take a look at Philp there so they can move Janmark back up.

2) When was the last time this team was set at RD for the third pair, but still alternating reps on the RD for second pair? Stetcher or Dermott is the second guy, and the other is scratched. My head is also getting scratched watching this!

cowboy bill

It’s a good thing they have Dermott. Stecher didn’t have a great game against Dallas. At least they have the ability to sit him and play Dermott. That’s what I’m talking about, FLEXABILITY.

Sierra

Stecher didn’t have a great game against Dallas so it’s a good thing they have Dermott so they can scratch Emberson. That’s some circular logic you have.

cowboy bill

To my eye Kulak & Emberson played well together against Dallas. I saw no reason to change them up. Sometimes, like you often do, I don’t always agree with their decisions. Do you question that logic?

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Sierra

I didn’t disagree or agree with the Coach’s decision. My comment was in response to the warped logic in your post. Maybe you should reread it instead of trying to insult me.

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OriginalPouzar

1) Why is the third line not the one that looked so great in the playoffs? I was looking forward to that combo for a longer stretch in the regular season. If they need Janmark on the 4th line, it might be time to take a look at Philp there so they can move Janmark back up.

The success of that third line in the playoffs has been massively over-stated in my opinion.

First, it was only a total of 52 minutes they played together so we are talking like 5 games or so. Also, while they were positive in the goal share (I think it was 3-2, haven’t checked for a while), they were getting crushed to a tune of below 40% on possession metrics.

That trio certainly doesn’t need to play together, at least for me.

winchester

I think they were over-rated by their own management. Enough that the management did not bother to put together a reasonable third line this off season. (Well, we do have a good center in Henrique). But I do believe all the faith put into Janmark – Henrique – Brown is going to hurt us at some point.

Of course, Holloway was a reasonable answer. Screw St Louis.

teddyturnbuckle

I see a lot of the same problems with the 5 on 5 game as the powerplay. Players passing up shooting opportunities for the perfect goal. McDavid is the main culprit. Just look at his goal totals compared to 2 years ago. Instead of trying to pass around the goalie all the time the Oilers need to get more shots on net to get the goalie out of position. There has always been an element of air hockey in ice hockey. Get the puck ricocheting around on a hot goalie and it will eventually go in. When is the last time an Oiler took a shot and beat a goalie clean just like the Oilers goalies give up?

cowboy bill

Their 5 on 5 play has actually been good.

Pretendergast
Boil-in-the-Oil

True… excepting their lack of finishing.

cowboy bill

They obviously have more 5 on 5 goals than PP goals on the season.

Boil-in-the-Oil

True as well… 6 games played, 12 goals total (incl 1 PPG)

cowboy bill

Do they have any shorties yet?

Boil-in-the-Oil

That, I do not know… not sure.

Louis Levasseur

Notwithstanding Nuge’s hot start in the faceoff circle, it has always been a weakness in his game. I’m not sure why KK put him out to take a faceoff on the PK against Dallas. It was on his weak side. I would have gone with Ryan, a right shot centerman. Love the Nuge, but for me he’s not taking any faceoffs of consequence.

OriginalPouzar

I mentioned that on game day and the day after. Nuge was having a dominant night in the circle but Derek Ryan was also 4 for 6 that night and, well, isn’t his primary role to take defensive zone faceoffs on his strong side?

That was a coaching error in my opinion.

SoCaloil

Glad you’re feeling better and hope for a full and speedy recovery.!!

cowboy bill

The Oilers are lacking that fluidity within their forwards group. Forget the12 forward set, they need a 13th forward to add more flexibility to the forward ranks.

OriginalPouzar

Derek Ryan has been solid so far and Corey Perry one of the team’s better players overall.
I do agree that they will need flexibility at some point but, up and till now, there really hasn’t been a case to sit any of the 12 forwards heading in to any game, right?

Scungilli Slushy

Given the chances generated for a few seasons now, the issue is to be more aggressive in finishing. Players that score are hungry to score. Crosby once said he wanted to score more, and the issue was not finishing enough of his chances, so he changed that

cowboy bill

With this Oiler PP I’m not so sure they’re getting the same amount of quality chances to finish. It may not be what the PP isn’t doing, but what the PK units are doing.

jp

Players that score are hungry to score. 

How do you know they’re not hungry enough to score?

Connor and Leon both already have more 40 goal seasons than Crosby does in his whole career.

Pretendergast

High of 64 for 97, 55 for 29, 51 for 87.

29 – 5 40+ goal seasons (3 50+)
97 – 4 40+ goal seasons (1 60+)
87 – 3 40 goal seasons (1 50+)

Agreed, I’m betting they’ll be alright.

JimmyV1965

I think Dallas was their best game of the season so I’m hopeful they get on track.

Scungilli Slushy

Woodley said yesterday the Oiler’s HDSC against were ridiculously low for a few games at least. I would keep working the plan and they will find their hands at some point. To me the best way for them to play is to not give up much and let the talent be too much for other teams at some point. This is predicated on scoring on chances enough

It was also mentioned Gulutzan said the PP has started slow for a few years, they aren’t worried enough to do anything yet

Pretendergast

Opposite issue of last season where it was open season down the middle of the ice. If you can’t win with offence, make it a less offensive game and win 2-1 until the horses start running.

cowboy bill

They easily might have had a more favorable result if their special teams were operating at a higher level.

SoCaloil

This team needs more depth scoring – as always.

I’m not sure how a defensive minded 3rd line and “spare parts” 4th line accomplishes that. I do agree that the new wingers need time w/ 29 and find some chem.

cowboy bill

I’m telling you they need flexibility, and they can’t do that with 12 forwards.

OriginalPouzar

Derek Ryan has been solid so far and Corey Perry one of the team’s better players overall.

I do agree that they will need flexibility at some point but, up and till now, there really hasn’t been a case to sit any of the 12 forwards heading in to any game, right?

OriginalPouzar

I think the “depth scoring” has actually been pretty good and the team needs their top players to start producing at historical norms, no?

Pretendergast

The turning point of last season was a drubbing by the Canes (followed by a dismantling of said Canes). We’ll see what phase we’re in tonight.

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