The Load Out

by Lowetide

We all have our favorites, I can give you a list from any era. Young players get drafted (or signed as minor free agents) and begin to matriculate toward the NHL. Sometimes it takes forever, Fernando Pisani was like that in the 1990’s, four years college and 2.5 AHL before arriving fully formed. Sometimes they arrive basically NHL-ready, like Shawn Horcoff, who had an idea about how to play in the world’s best league a little over two years after he was drafted. I loved Horcoff’s game that first training camp, but there were many others who impressed and never made the grade.

Sometimes they don’t make it, no matter how much you cheer for them. I was convinced NHL careers awaited Raimo Summanen, Selmar Odelein, Jani Rita, Marc Pouliot and Slava Trukhno. I was also convinced of Jujhar Khaira doing the same. I’m starting to wonder.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Assessing the early season progress of Oilers’ defence and goaltending
  • New Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s impressive Liiga performance headlines Oilers prospects this week
  • Lowetide:  Oilers recall Sam Gagner to bolster offensive depth, option Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: There are many similarities between this year’s Oilers team after seven and the 2016-17 team that made the playoffs. Similarities, differences and the work that needs to be done.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: That was pretty sick’: What teammates and opponents are saying about Connor McDavid’s latest goal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I’m gonna bring a bigger bag with me’: Oilers rookies learn about life on the road in the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A deep dive on the Oilers’ bottom six, which needs to produce more offence
  • Lowetide: Ethan Bear’s early success with the Oilers and what it might mean at the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: How well are the solutions to key Oilers weaknesses working?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Oscar Klefbom playing tough minutes with inexperienced partners — and looking good doing it
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 2015: 3-7-0, six points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-1, 15 points; goal differential +9
  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-6-1, seven points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in October 2018: 6-3-1, 13 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in October 2019: 7-2-1, 15 points, goal differential +7

This remains a great start, but the road trip took a little shine off the team’s record. Oilers fans shouldn’t be bitching and moaning about the first 10 games. In fact, this is a wildly successful start to the year. Fact.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN OCTOBER

  • At home to: Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) Actual (3-1-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia, Detroit (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg, Minnesota (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • At home to: Washington, Florida (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Columbus (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 7-2-1, 15 points after 10 games

The logical thing to do is to go back to the preseason and reset the expectations. I had this as an 88-point team, meaning it was reasonable to expect 11 points after 10 games. So, one way to look at things is this: Edmonton has collected four more points than I expected. It’s also true that my projection for the month (15 points in 14 games) has been achieved, but not surpassed. Important to get some points from these final four games in October.

There’s very little to discuss from last night’s game, it was a group effort. NST has the details, I have some observations.

The HDSC’s went to Markus Granlund, Brandon Manning and Patrick Russell. Of Course. Patrick Russell was 9-15 five-on-five Corsi, but 5-1 shots in the discipline.

Connor McDavid played 9:19 with James Neal, Edmonton going 4-1 shots in those minutes. I would like to see that duo again.

Ethan Bear played 10:45 with Darnell Nurse, the pairing did well. Their Corsi was 9-8 and the duo wasn’t scored on. Tippett moved Bear to Klefbom’s unit for 8:52, but the duo went 4-12 (again no GA).

Mike Smith stopped 27 of 30, .900. His five-on-five number (22 of 24, .917) was solid, but the goal on the PK was a killer. I expect we’ll see the Finn on Friday.

OILERS 2019-20

We’re 10 games in, so projecting end of season totals is easy and fun (although not to be taken seriously). The defensemen are on pace for 40 goals this season, that’s 10 more than one year ago (my projections are here).

McDavid’s wingers scored (in all situations) 72 goals with McDavid a year ago, added to his 41 the good ship 97 posted a total of 113 goals in 2018-19. I projected 114 for this season (here).

So far this season, McDavid has scored five goals, his wingers have scored 15 (seriously) with the captain on the ice. That’s 20, times 80 is 160. The McDavid line isn’t the problem.

The No. 2 line, which is Nuge and James Neal plus some randoms, is coming along nicely.

It’s the bottom six, and the group who populate the third and fourth line are burning daylight.

JUJHAR KHAIRA

This blog has tracked the big man from Prince George to Houghton, Michigan to Everett, Washington to Oklahoma City to Bakersfield and finally to Edmonton. I’ve never really been able to mark him offensively, Khaira has had seasons of goal-scoring success (including 11 goals in 2017-18, his first full NHL season).

He doesn’t shoot enough, Khaira has been around one shot per game for his entire NHL career. He has a career nine percent shooting percentage in parts of five NHL seasons, but the 11-goal campaign perhaps skewed his totals. He won’t survive in the NHL if he can’t post offense. Khaira is at 163 NHL games, I suspect he’ll reach a crossroads in the next few months if he can’t impact the game offensively.

2019-20 CONDORS

Condors play Ontario Reign tonight, the Bakersfied side misses William Lagesson based on recent viewings. Caleb Jones and Keegan Lowe will play big minutes, Dmitri Samorukov and Evan Bouchard will be thrust into more prominent roles.

Lagesson and Gagner are in Edmonton now, I imagine both men will get a chance to play (unless Persson is ready to return) in October. Holland said the prospects are on the farm until around Christmas, I wonder if Benson or Yamamoto get a look sooner. If not, it might be Gambardella or Currie.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we have a wide range of topics in a week where sports is rewarding its customer base in a big way. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal will give us his views on last night’s loss, and possible lineup tweaks. Jared Diamond from the Wall Street Journal will discuss the World Series and a Game 1 win for the Washington Nationals. Kris Abbott from OddsShark will talk WS prop bets, NFL weekend games and top NHL payoffs this season. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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CallighenMan

Harpers Hair: Why is he only 101st inleague scoring?

Dick

Reja

Munny: Electric dreams of an E(lect)ric Staal…now… utterly… fucking… SQUASHED.

Thanks, man.

For all you Gangster types out there we Punked ourselves against Minny.

Scungilli Slushy

VanIsleOil:
…found this interesting in a British psychology article…..

Trolling can also be viewed as being motivated by envy and jealousy. The anonymity of the internet can be a way of individuals expressing their personal frustrations with their lot in life. They gain a form of perverse satisfaction in expressing hate at objects of desire, such as fashion models, sports stars, celebrities, wealthy people and high achievers.It can breed narcissistic behaviour, which can be defined as an obsessive interest in your own appearance, extreme selfishness and a craving to be admired by others.

Interesting. I feel sorry for anyone that has to seek conflict constantly to quell their demons. A pretty sad way to live IMO.

Scungilli Slushy

Harpers Hair: the Utica Comets, a team that boasts the top three scorers in the league.

As of this morning that isn’t true.

Also, their leading scorer Reid is 26, Baertschi 27, and Goldobin 24.

The Canucks can have that. I’ll take what the Condors have.

VanIsleOil

…found this interesting in a British psychology article…..

Trolling can also be viewed as being motivated by envy and jealousy. The anonymity of the internet can be a way of individuals expressing their personal frustrations with their lot in life. They gain a form of perverse satisfaction in expressing hate at objects of desire, such as fashion models, sports stars, celebrities, wealthy people and high achievers. It can breed narcissistic behaviour, which can be defined as an obsessive interest in your own appearance, extreme selfishness and a craving to be admired by others.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Nope, they haven’t been dominant (although they have been in stretches and Yamamoto was 100% dominant in the first four games – it doesn’t always show up on the scoresheet).

They are also breaking in a number of raw rookies – Bouchard, Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod, Deharnias. Their starting goalie has been out of 4 games now. Their defence has been decimated a bit with NHL call-ups (2) plus injuries (2) and they have been required to sign PTO d-men to play,

Of course, if a guy is going to go off the box-scores for the first 6 games as clearly HH does not watch the Condors and is making judgments based off 6 games of numbers, then the same should apply to the 7-2-1 Oilers if he wants to be honest.

Fully agreed.

ArmchairGM

ArmchairGM: Lowetide: I think that makes sense based on roster needs, but what is JP’s value?

Dominik Bokk + a 3rd? Bokk’s stock has fallen since being drafted, and he’s struggling even more this year.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: Nope, they haven’t been dominant (although they have been in stretches and Yamamoto was 100% dominant in the first four games – it doesn’t always show up on the scoresheet).

They are also breaking in a number of raw rookies – Bouchard, Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod, Deharnias. Their starting goalie has been out of 4 games now. Their defence has been decimated a bit with NHL call-ups (2) plus injuries (2) and they have been required to sign PTO d-men to play,

Of course, if a guy is going to go off the box-scores for the first 6 games as clearly HH does not watch the Condors and is making judgments based off 6 games of numbers, then the same should apply to the 7-2-1 Oilers if he wants to be honest.

They seem to dominate the 1st period every game, then sit back the rest of the way.

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: The Condors are currently 25th in the league,
https://theahl.com/stats/standings?standingstype=league&context=overall&specialteams=false&season=65&sortkey=percentage&league=4

The Oilers are currently 3rd in the NHL and 1st in the W. Conference after a larger sample size of 10 games – I mean if you want to base judgements SOLELY off these numbers which is what you are doing……

OriginalPouzar

jp: No, they haven’t shown their dominance yet. Maybe they’re not that good.

They’ve only played 6 games though. I mean, the Oilers are tied for 3rd in the NHL. It’s early.

Nope, they haven’t been dominant (although they have been in stretches and Yamamoto was 100% dominant in the first four games – it doesn’t always show up on the scoresheet).

They are also breaking in a number of raw rookies – Bouchard, Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod, Deharnias. Their starting goalie has been out of 4 games now. Their defence has been decimated a bit with NHL call-ups (2) plus injuries (2) and they have been required to sign PTO d-men to play,

Of course, if a guy is going to go off the box-scores for the first 6 games as clearly HH does not watch the Condors and is making judgments based off 6 games of numbers, then the same should apply to the 7-2-1 Oilers if he wants to be honest.

Genjutsu

OriginalPouzar: He’s 24 years old and on his second contract after a 5 year ELC.

Take a look at the leading scorers – littered with non-prospect older players.

Not to mention, Yamamoto’s boxcars unrepresent his play in the AHL this year.

You realize feeding the trolls is frowned apon.

Its like picking at a scab.

ArmchairGM

Lowetide: I think that makes sense based on roster needs, but what is JP’s value?

At least a 2nd round pick, but it’s rising.

OriginalPouzar

HarpersHair: Nikolay Goldobin has played 4 games and has 9 points.

He’s 24 years old and on his second contract after a 5 year ELC.

Take a look at the leading scorers – littered with non-prospect older players.

Not to mention, Yamamoto’s boxcars unrepresent his play in the AHL this year.

Munny

Lowetide: I think that makes sense based on roster needs, but what is JP’s value? A No. 3 center is a valuable item this time of year.

Electric dreams of an E(lect)ric Staal… now… utterly… fucking… SQUASHED.

Thanks, man.

Harpers Hair

JimmyV1965: Seems like you’ve stepped up the trolling a couple notches. Interesting. Always makes me wonder what’s banging around in someone’s brain.

Could someone help in 2-3 years?
Sure.
But the league doesn’t work that way any longer.
The talent emerges early.

Harpers Hair

Lowetide:
Yamamoto has 18 shots in six games, four goals too. He’s just turned 21. Comparing him to Goldobin is crazy of course, and making any kind of conclusion on six games is beyond the pale. Let’s see where these young men are after 20 games. Far better sample size.

Should be interesting.
At Yamamoto’s age, Goldobin scored 21G and 44P for the San Jose Barracuda.

JimmyV1965

Harpers Hair: Nah.
He wasn’t good enough to make the Canucks.
But he’s better that Yamamoto, Benson or Marody.

Seems like you’ve stepped up the trolling a couple notches. Interesting. Always makes me wonder what’s banging around in someone’s brain.

Reja

Harpers Hair: Nah.
He wasn’t good enough to make the Canucks.
But he’s better that Yamamoto, Benson or Marody.

Benson has great hockey IQ and vision I really thought he would make it out of training camp.

Reja

Been calling a Jesse plus for a quality 3rd line centre for months. I have a feeling it’s going to happen soon.

Harpers Hair

Bank Shot: He’ll probably be the next Chara just like Trymakin.

Nah.
He wasn’t good enough to make the Canucks.
But he’s better that Yamamoto, Benson or Marody.

Bank Shot

Harpers Hair: Nikolay Goldobin has played 4 games and has 9 points.

He’ll probably be the next Chara just like Trymakin.

Reja

godot10: if a player is deemed guilty of an instigator in the final five minutes or in overtime, he “shall” be suspended for one game, “pending a review of the incident.” If the suspension is upheld, the head coach is fined $10,000. The fine for the head coach doubles with each subsequent incident.

It cost Katz 10 mil hard cash to move the Black Cloud three hours south. Elbowing and slashing penalties are only 2 minutes if you know how to administer them properly. If Khaira can’t put 2 and 2 together he’s going to be hard pressed to receive another contract after next year:

Harpers Hair
jp

Harpers Hair: Yeah.
As I said it’s early but the tea leaves don’t look great.
Tonight’s stats line.

Yamamoto 0-0-1SOG minus 1.
Benson 0-0-0 minus 1.
Marody 0-0-1SOG 0

I’m definitely concerned.

Harpers Hair

jp: No, they haven’t shown their dominance yet. Maybe they’re not that good.

They’ve only played 6 games though. I mean, the Oilers are tied for 3rd in the NHL. It’s early.

Yeah.
As I said it’s early but the tea leaves don’t look great.
Tonight’s stats line.

Yamamoto 0-0-1SOG minus 1.
Benson 0-0-0 minus 1.
Marody 0-0-1SOG 0

jp

Harpers Hair: After reading through OP’s posts, it piqued my interest in what is going on in the AHL.
There were many pre-season predictions that the Condors would be an unstoppable force this season based on the play of Yamamoto, Marody and Benson.

While it’s still early, they have been below average.

Before tonight’s result the team is below .500 (real) and their top scorers are not even in the photo.
The early season powerhouses are the Marlies and the Utica Comets, a team that boasts the top three scorers in the league.

As of right now, the Condors have scored 18 goals in 6 games.
The Comets have scored 29 in 5 games.

No, they haven’t shown their dominance yet. Maybe they’re not that good.

They’ve only played 6 games though. I mean, the Oilers are tied for 3rd in the NHL. It’s early.

godot10

Pescador: That game against Chicago.
That rat fuck Andrew Shaw just finished giving Pearson a concussion with a dirty hit.
Right after the empty netter the game was out of reach 3-1
Tippet puts Khaira out for the final shift against Shaw, 19 secs left or something.
Crickets, I don’t even think Khaira even gave him a dirty look.
Terrible way to set the tone for the season. Why not stand up for your teammates there of all places?
Holy shit was I frustrated.

if a player is deemed guilty of an instigator in the final five minutes or in overtime, he “shall” be suspended for one game, “pending a review of the incident.” If the suspension is upheld, the head coach is fined $10,000. The fine for the head coach doubles with each subsequent incident.

jp

Harpers Hair: Yeah…just click on P/GP at the top.

I meant that a lot of the players ahead of Yamamoto in P/GP have only played one or two games.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
He hasn’t even finished his 6th game of the year and he’s 3 points behind 5th in the league.

Nikolay Goldobin has played 4 games and has 9 points.

Harpers Hair

jp: Interesting. Does the AHL site have an easy way to filter out the guys who only played one or two games? He’s tied for 56th in actual points (and tied for 8th in goals).

Yeah…just click on P/GP at the top.

Harpers Hair

jp: Did you make that up?

After reading through OP’s posts, it piqued my interest in what is going on in the AHL.
There were many pre-season predictions that the Condors would be an unstoppable force this season based on the play of Yamamoto, Marody and Benson.

While it’s still early, they have been below average.

Before tonight’s result the team is below .500 (real) and their top scorers are not even in the photo.
The early season powerhouses are the Marlies and the Utica Comets, a team that boasts the top three scorers in the league.

As of right now, the Condors have scored 18 goals in 6 games.
The Comets have scored 29 in 5 games.

jp

Harpers Hair: Nope.
https://theahl.com/stats/player-stats/all-teams/65?playertype=skater&position=skaters&rookie=no&sort=ptspg&statstype=standard&page=6&league=4

Interesting. Does the AHL site have an easy way to filter out the guys who only played one or two games? He’s tied for 56th in actual points (and tied for 8th in goals).

OriginalPouzar

Not to mention, he’s on the second line, he’s playing PP2 to adjust the ice time as he’s on PK1, he’s a second year pro, he missed all of training camp, etc.

OriginalPouzar

He hasn’t even finished his 6th game of the year and he’s 3 points behind 5th in the league.

jp

OP, I enjoy the updates too.

McSorley33

OriginalPouzar:
The Jones goal:

https://twitter.com/Condors/status/1187189262870970368

Really appreciate this……good stuff.

OriginalPouzar

Marody misses the net on a partial breakaway.

jp

Harpers Hair: Why is he only 101st inleague scoring?

Did you make that up?

geowal

OP, I don’t always love your AM posts (they can feel repetitive with the previous days posts, or that mornings). But I love all the condor posts. To each their own, can’t please all, etc. It’s like having a live feed for the game! ?

OriginalPouzar

Whoa and Ontario take the lead on the next shift – looked like Wells was run it to but tough to tell and there are very few replays.

OriginalPouzar

Ontario ties it up on a rebound – they deserve it – great job evening the game up after being ridiculously dominated in the 1st.

OriginalPouzar

Big stop by Wells on a clear cut breakaway – that awful 5 on 3 (for almost 2 minutes) really took the wind out of their sails (and the 2nd was more even than the first to start with).

OriginalPouzar

Bouchard not having a great game tonight.

Hasn’t really created anything all game and just had a horrible horrible shift on a 5 on 3 PP:

– bobbled a pass with zero pressure at the blueline for a zone clear

– set up for a one-time just outside the top of the circles – blocked

– misplayed a second pass at the blueline with no pressure (noone withing 4 meters of him) for another clear.

Yikes.

I think he’s struggling with confidence right now.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
Yamamoto, so shifty in the offensive zone – three spin-offs to create space on the one shift and finally draws another PP – his 2nd of the game (and about 6th of the season). Great stuff.

Why is he only 101st in league scoring?

OriginalPouzar

Yamamoto, so shifty in the offensive zone – three spin-offs to create space on the one shift and finally draws another PP – his 2nd of the game (and about 6th of the season). Great stuff.

OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar: Oilers didn’t let Marino walk on purpose, they had no choice, he wasn’t going to sign here and would have become a UFA.

Also, lets be a bit real on Marino. He’s played 8 games and his:

– possession numbers are massively negative (he has improved them in to the 40s)
– his relative numbers are all massively negative
– his 5 on 5 GF% is 0% with 0GF and 7GA
– he’s received 93 on the fly starts

While the TOI shows 3rd pairing minutes, looks like Marino had a very good game – positive possession number and 2GF / 0GA

Foege Foegele Torpe

Reja:
Oilers need a Scrap or two I don’t think they’ve had one fight Nurse tried Wheeler but Mr. talk the talk chickened out. Khaira has to man up and start running somebody over same as Mama Kass.

That game against Chicago.
That rat fuck Andrew Shaw just finished giving Pearson a concussion with a dirty hit.
Right after the empty netter the game was out of reach 3-1
Tippet puts Khaira out for the final shift against Shaw, 19 secs left or something.
Crickets, I don’t even think Khaira even gave him a dirty look.
Terrible way to set the tone for the season. Why not stand up for your teammates there of all places?
Holy shit was I frustrated.