2019-20 Game 10: Oilers at Wild

This is a game the Oilers should win, but strange things happen when teams are desperate. The Minnesota Wild enter the game with a 2-6-0 record and are 18-32 goal differential. Oilers fans can relate, but Edmonton needs to hammer a weak team like the Wild if the team is to make the playoffs.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Assessing the early season progress of Oilers’ defence and goaltending
  • New Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s impressive Liiga performance headlines Oilers prospects this week
  • Lowetide:  Oilers recall Sam Gagner to bolster offensive depth, option Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: There are many similarities between this year’s Oilers team after seven and the 2016-17 team that made the playoffs. Similarities, differences and the work that needs to be done.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: That was pretty sick’: What teammates and opponents are saying about Connor McDavid’s latest goal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I’m gonna bring a bigger bag with me’: Oilers rookies learn about life on the road in the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A deep dive on the Oilers’ bottom six, which needs to produce more offence
  • Lowetide: Ethan Bear’s early success with the Oilers and what it might mean at the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: How well are the solutions to key Oilers weaknesses working?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Oscar Klefbom playing tough minutes with inexperienced partners — and looking good doing it
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 20153-7-0, six points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-2-1, 15 points; goal differential +9
  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-6-1, seven points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in October 2018: 6-3-1, 13 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in October 2019: 7-1-1, 15 points, goal differential +10

The current Oilers are the best McDavid Oilers based on record, but need a win to stay ahead of the 2016-17 playoff group. Notice the 2018 team pushing now, that club would continue to push until the Klefbom-Russell injury in the same game a year ago.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN OCTOBER

  • At home to: Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) Actual (3-1-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia, Detroit (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg, Minnesota (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • At home to: Washington, Florida (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Columbus (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 7-1-1, 15 points after 9 games

I’m torn about this game. It should be a win, but the Oilers are 7-1-1 and the Wild are 2-6-0. One team is going to bring a great effort, the other is playing for its professional life. NHL players who are on losing teams often see their NHL careers end. Ask the 2009-10 Oilers.

OILERS 2019-20

My article for The Athletic today (here) has some interesting details about Ethan Bear’s handling (courtesy Puck IQ) and I wonder what kind of transition to the NHL we might see from William Lagesson. You know, last year Lagesson and Caleb Jones had the better season (I had all three men inside the top dozen Oilers prospects in the summer) and it’s possible Lagesson will quickly adjust ala Bear.

Jones’ speed and Bear’s passing ability are top quality skills, and give each man an advantage when it comes to making the NHL grade. Bear is playing successfully in the NHL this season, and Jones had a nice run last year. In fact, if you break out his minutes with and without Adam Larsson (meaning the elite minutes) you get an interesting comparison to Bear:

Jones-Larsson
133 minutes, 43.4 Corsi for, 5-11 goals for

Kevin Gravel-Jones:
66 minutes, 55.5 Corsi for, 2-2 goals for

Jones-Matt Benning:
39 minutes, 57.3 Corsi for, 3-3 goals for

Playing depth minutes in 2018-19, Jones was well above 50 percent in possession. The Larsson minutes were too much, but that’s a helluva leap. Interesting to look at that line compared to Bear’s current run with Nurse via Puck IQ and the ‘elite’ category.

Lagesson doesn’t have Jones’ speed and does not have Bear’s passing acumen. However, his 24 even-strength points led Condors blue a year ago, and his five-on-five goal differential (48-37) also impressed. I hope he plays this evening, and gets 20-25 games during 2019-20.

UPDATES ON BROBERG AND BOUCHARD

Corey Pronman has a piece out on prospects across the globe, with an emphasis on those who have impressed. There is Oilers content.

SAM GAGNER

Gagner’s recall is recognition of a need for third-line scoring, and I expect we’ll see the veteran at some point this week. I’ve been thinking about who he might replace in the lineup, and my guess is Patrick Russell on the fourth line. My idea has Markus Granlund and Gagner sharing faceoffs (each taking his strong side) and Tomas Jurco hanging out on LW. We might see it tonight.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Tuesday morning on the show, beginning at 10 this morning on TSN1260. We’ll be joined by prospect insider Simon Boisvert at 10:20, we’ll chat Lagesson’s potential and early returns on Bear. Andrew Peard and Corey Graham will pop in to talk Oil Kings at 11, and Sean Woodley from TSN1150 and RaptorsHQ will talk Raptors as the NBA season begins. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  2. Munny says:

    I feel like Krusty played half the period. Is there a defenseman hurt?

  3. drglen says:

    bla… blah.. cough.. gag… wheez… stumble ..

  4. Ice Sage says:

    Regression is a mean bitch!

  5. Ivan says:

    “3-0 , the most dangerous lead in hockey” . Hopefully??

  6. Lowetide says:

    After One:

    3-0 Minnesota
    12-8 Minnesota shots
    22-12 Minnesota Corsi for 5-on-5

    ==

    An impressive spanking. Oilers can win the last two periods, suspect this game is over. I don’t think there’s a player I can name who played well for the road team in the first 20.

  7. drglen says:

    Nuge Neal Chaisson is even.. Bear manning even..

    4th line even.

  8. Derek says:

    When Colby isn’t busy in the studio he uses his nose to indicate a right hand turn on the highway.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    Ivan:
    “3-0 , the most dangerous lead in hockey” . Hopefully??

    Only if the Oilers hold it. Few chickens coming home to roost tonight.

  10. drglen says:

    Lowetide,

    Jurco maybe. I see this as an ‘identity’ game… right now we see who we are and who is for real and can make a difference.

    Klefbom is completely lost ( with Russell) .. Benning does well in these kinds of games but he’s not getting enough time.

  11. ArmchairGM says:

    The one (possibly only) positive: Bear led the team in TOI in that period.

  12. drglen says:

    Move Neal up with Connor, I might move leon with Nuge tonight actually.

    Gotta mix up the lines here… Jurco elevate..

  13. drglen says:

    ugh… gotta say I’m not a fan of an ‘away team’ broadcast when my team is being clobbered.

  14. Munny says:

    Be a great period for the bottom 6 to chip in a marker.

  15. drglen says:

    hey i was right!!!! lines mixed up

  16. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Obviously happy with the early season record. That being said, the forwards added this offseason are brutal.

    The bottom two lines are bad, maybe worse than last year. Literally never a threat to score. They can occasionally cycle but the cycle never results in actual scoring chances.

    Please call up Marody, Benson, and Yamo!

  17. leadfarmer says:

    This is quite the game of whackapuck we are playing
    We have Bear and a bunch of guys playing with croquet mallets

  18. Munny says:

    Doobie dropped.

  19. leadfarmer says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Obviously happy with the early season record. That being said, the forwards added this offseason are brutal.

    The bottom two lines are bad, maybe worse than last year. Literally never a threat to score. They can occasionally cycle but the cycle never results in actual scoring chances.

    Please call up Marody, Benson, and Yamo!

    We replaced one Rieder with 6

  20. drglen says:

    oooh.. i think devon hit the back of his head there…

    crowd is silent.
    Hope he’s OK… switching him out.? Guys you can’t leave him in. Concussion protocal.. cmon get real here.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    I feel like Krusty played half the period. Is there a defenseman hurt?

    Third among D, about half a minute less than Klef and 45 seconds less than Bear (and 15 seconds more than Nurse).

    With the current pairings, Tippett (Playfair) essentially run the the two pairings even and the 3rd pairing a distant third.

  22. Munny says:

    I was gonna say that should be a Wild penalty. It is.

  23. Munny says:

    TSN Turning Point?

  24. Gerta Rauss says:

    hoo boy…it’s one of those games

  25. russ99 says:

    That was a nasty spill, glad he had the helmet on for at least some protection.

    Hope Dubnyk is ok.

  26. Munny says:

    Drai and CMD have attempted some low percentage passes this game.

  27. drglen says:

    Time to move bear to PP1

  28. Munny says:

    drglen:
    Time to move bear to PP1

    Hitch, is that you?

  29. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    hoo boy…it’s one of those games

    You mean where you know they’re not gonna score?

  30. Munny says:

    Neal so close

  31. Munny says:

    Bear played that Parise sortie perfectly.

  32. flyfish1168 says:

    Tonight’s Oiler team looks like a team I’m used to watching.

  33. drglen says:

    well at least stopped the bleeding for now..

  34. drglen says:

    great stop in tight by smith.

  35. Munny says:

    Thought Smith was gonna pop that guy for a moment there.

  36. Derek says:

    We’re going to make you the richest man in hockey Connor, unfortunately your wingers will be Patrick Russell and the ghost of James Neal. Now catch those Kris Russell breakout passes and bring the Edmonton Oilers back to respectability.

  37. Nix says:

    The good news is if they come back and win this game that means McDavid and/or Leon will have had at least a four point night.

  38. Munny says:

    Staal line is owning the Sheahan line.

  39. drglen says:

    I do not want to see Khaira play another shift in this game

  40. Munny says:

    Granny unlucky

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers getting some chances (still not sure how they didn’t score at the beginning of that PP) but not able to finish yet. Need one before the end of the second. Smith has come up with a couple of big saves that should be marked.

  42. Nix says:

    This streak of poor play dovetails nicely with Haas being demoted. Just sayin. #duhaasmench

  43. drglen says:

    Good shift chaisson…

  44. Munny says:

    Last few minutes have been an improvement

  45. godot10 says:

    Who knew Joel Persson was so valuable? Same old Oilers once Russell is back in the top 4 on his offside.

  46. Munny says:

    Nothing rhyming for the top line

  47. drglen says:

    godot10:
    Who knew Joel Persson was so valuable?Same old Oilers once Russell is back in the top 4 on his offside.

    +1 last two breakouts.. ended/fizzled off his stick.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Brandon Manning is your best player in a game…..

  49. ArmchairGM says:

    drglen:
    Time to move bear to PP1

    Agreed. I think I said as much last game – the PP1 has gone flaccid and needs a shake up. I don’t think Klefbom has done a bad job, I just think dropping him for Bear is the obvious thing to try.

  50. drglen says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    If Brandon Manning is your best player in agame…..

    yep…

  51. drglen says:

    SMITH>>> Save… Saves us all from turning off the game!

    How did he walk in.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Aghh, yes, Ethan Bear is still a rookie and development is not a straight line….

  53. ArmchairGM says:

    I’m glad Tippett kept Smith in, some coaches would have made the switch between periods. It gives the goalies confidence.

  54. drglen says:

    drai with nuge

  55. Munny says:

    This is the kind of game that gets Gagner into the line-up.

    Dare to dream…

  56. drglen says:

    SMith…CHaisson, not happy with Stalock.. what’s that about…

  57. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Huh… i’m glad I’m not able to watch this game… from what I hear minny is spanking us, and nothing is rhyming with the top lines.

    Just Curious, is minny trapping the crap out of us right now?

  58. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Over 120 minutes without a goal… I’m not worried tho *side eyes*

  59. jtblack says:

    Lowetide:
    After One:

    3-0 Minnesota
    12-8 Minnesota shots
    22-12 Minnesota Corsi for 5-on-5

    ==

    An impressive spanking. Oilers can win the last two periods, suspect this game is over. I don’t think there’s a player I can name who played well for the road team in the first 20.

    STAN WEIR

  60. drglen says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Huh…i’m glad I’m not able to watch this game…from what I hear minny is spanking us,and nothing is rhyming with the top lines.

    Just Curious, is minny trapping the crap out of us right now?

    no, just faster, hungrier, more confident, .. came to play and no answer from oilers.

  61. jtblack says:

    It would be nice to see some pussh back here make it close at least

  62. drglen says:

    jtblack,

    +1… a heartbeat from someone.. at least Smith and Chaisson look interested. Chaisson has earned a bit of moxie tonight.. he should go against Staal.

  63. Derek says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Huh…i’m glad I’m not able to watch this game…from what I hear minny is spanking us,and nothing is rhyming with the top lines.

    Just Curious, is minny trapping the crap out of us right now?

    Not really, they’re just playing better. Nothing seems to rhyme tonight for the Oilers. In my estimation Minnesota looks like a team that’s probably about even with Edmonton in the talent department, they’ve just had the opposite luck up to this point in the season. If people didn’t know where Minnesota was in the standings right now I doubt they’d be quite as frustrated with this game as they are.

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    Every other team experiences a phenomenon called “score effects” when down by 3 goals, but I’m not sure that applies to the Oilers. They battled the Wild to a standstill in the 2nd, now they need to turn on the jets in the 3rd.

  65. Lowetide says:

    After Two

    3-0 Minnesota
    22-17 Minnesota shots (10-9 Minnesota in the second)
    42-23 Minnesota Corsi for 5-on-5 (20-11 Minnesota in the second)

    ==

    Through two periods, not much to write about for tomorrow’s post. Granlund had the one really good chance.

  66. jtblack says:

    Is the Math Catching up?

    oh well. 82 games. cant all be Picasso’s

  67. godot10 says:

    If Russell has to play in the top 4, the Oilers are not a playoff team. He turns the prince that he plays with, Nurse last year, Klefbom this year, into a frog,

  68. Munny says:

    Drai – McD – Kass
    Nygard – Nuge – Neal
    Jurco – ERIC FUCKING STAAL – Chiasson
    Granlund – Sheahan – Russell

    Make it so.

  69. Munny says:

    godot10:
    If Russell has to play in the top 4, the Oilers are not a playoff team.He turns the prince that he plays with, Nurse last year, Klefbom this year, into a frog,

    They will have difficulty maintaining .500 hockey with Russell playing too high on his weak side.

    Godspeed LaPersson.

  70. Dr. Taboggan says:

    godot10,

    Yup. Russell is a disaster in the top 4.

  71. drglen says:

    a ray of hope…

  72. Munny says:

    Timely PP. Make hay.

  73. Dr. Taboggan says:

    How many games have the Oilers hit 30 shots this season? 1 or 2?

  74. Dr. Taboggan says:

    They should pull the goalie on this pp.

  75. geowal says:

    I feel like Chiasson may not score 20 goals this year…

  76. drglen says:

    SMITH!!!! fantastic saves!

  77. Munny says:

    Smith outstanding saves

  78. Munny says:

    Needles to say no hay was stacked.

    Clock is the enemy.

  79. Gerta Rauss says:

    Manning gets away with one there

  80. Munny says:

    Some actual shots on net.

  81. Munny says:

    Parise mauled by thebear. PK back on…

  82. Harpers Hair says:

    geowal:
    I feel like Chiasson may not score 20 goals this year…

    Will Brad Hunt outscore the Oiler’s bottom six?

  83. GMB3 says:

    They don’t look too interested here. Piss poor effort on the defensive side of the puck

  84. drglen says:

    Tipp makes a quick call to Eakins..

  85. geowal says:

    I just hope they break the shutout at this point

  86. Sierra says:

    Tonight looks like last year.

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    A late goal would be nice……

  88. Gerta Rauss says:

    Harpers Hair: Will Brad Hunt outscore the Oiler’s bottom six?

    LoL

    He might

  89. Munny says:

    Nuge with Arch and Jurco have a good run.

  90. Johnny skid says:

    Harpers Hair: Will Brad Hunt outscore the Oiler’s bottom six?

    You find negatives in oilers wins and losses. What’s it like being you?

  91. drglen says:

    Russel Chris… not a good game at all…

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  93. Bulging Twine says:

    They didn’t have a lot of intensity and sharpness tonight. Tippett and one of the radio guys said they had lot’s of energy at today’s practice. I guess that’s where the day’s energy went.

    iirc the last time they had a full game day practice was the Philly game where they played poorly. Probably the two worst performances of the season had one thing in common. A full practice on the day of the game.

    A full game day practice sounds like a poor idea to me and apparently the results are bad.

  94. GMB3 says:

    Khaira holy shit man

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    In 2016/17, the year the Oilers made the playoffs, they started the year 7-1, just like they did this year.

    In 2016/17, the year the Oilers made the playoffs, they had a stretch in November where they lost 5 straight and accumulated zero points.

    Yes, I know, they look like the “old Oilers” and the bottom 6 can’t score, etc., etc. I’m going to guess that if we went through the comments during that steam in November 2016, they would be very similar to what we are reading now.

    We knew they would come back down to earth a bit. We knew there would be some stretches where they struggle to score and struggle to get points in the standings. What the first 8 games of the year have done is set the team up so that a bad stretch of 3, 4, 5, 6 games does not crater the season.

    So they are 1-1-1 in the last three – that’s not good but its also not awful and, at the same time, they are 7-2-1 on the season.

    Here is hoping they turn in around come Thursday but even if they struggle for a few more, they will still be firmly in a playoff spot and ready for the next up stretch.

    Go Oilers!

  96. drglen says:

    that was an inept performance. I’m having trouble finding positives, except.

    Smith’s battle and saves in 2nd and 3rd. ..

    This concludes tonights list of positives.

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    Johnny skid: You find negatives in oilers wins and losses. What’s it like being you?

    Its great.
    I selectively bet against the Oilers.
    Last season I won two Woodguys and bet it all on the Blues winning the cup.
    Won $4000.00.

  98. drglen says:

    GMB3:
    Khaira holy shit man

    demote.. and I’m a Khaira fan, but I’m not sure what he’s bringing to the team at this point, except losing the puck to the other team.

    Lagesson, in please
    Gagne, in please

  99. Nix says:

    This is kinda like when the beer goggles dry up and her wig and teeth come off..

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Almost a great buzzer beater win for the Raptors – going to OT.

  101. Chaos Magician says:

    Well that sucked.

    If you want to something good out of Minnesota check out comedian Chad Daniels. His album is one of my favourites. He has a new special on Amazon Prime. Might watch that now as a palate cleanser.

  102. drglen says:

    Bulging Twine:
    They didn’t have a lot of intensity and sharpness tonight.Tippett and one of the radio guys said they had lot’s of energy at today’s practice.I guess that’s where the day’s energy went.

    iirc the last time they had a full game day practice was the Philly game where they played poorly.Probably the two worst performances of the season had one thing in common.A full practice on the day of the game.

    A full game day practice sounds like a poor idea to me and apparently the results are bad.

    +1 might have a point there. wanted to ‘get them sharp’ but did not work. Time for the George Kostanza style of management. ! Try the opposite.. sleep in, go to the museum or hang out.. think of everything BUT the game.

  103. Harpers Hair says:

    Nix:
    This is kinda like when the beer goggles dry up and her wig and teeth come off..

    Regression to the meat is a bitch.

  104. Johnny skid says:

    Harpers Hair: Its great.
    I selectively bet against the Oilers.
    Last season I won two Woodguys and bet it all on the Blues winning the cup.
    Won $4000.00.

    I’m glad you find positives in trolling everyone needs to be good at something

  105. drglen says:

    I think I need an original six team to cheer for the nights the Oilers are terrible. I’m choosing the RANGERS ! ( lost to arizona oh well)

    On the other hand, a 3 nothing loss is worth just as much as a 4-3 loss in a close came.

  106. Harpers Hair says:

    Johnny skid: I’m glad you find positives in trolling everyone needs to be good at something

    Pro Tip
    Put some cash on the Canucks.
    They’re killing possession.

  107. Johnny skid says:

    Harpers Hair: Pro Tip
    Put some cash on the Canucks.
    They’re killing possession.

    thanks for the tip

  108. Pescador says:

    geowal:
    I feel like Chiasson may not score 10 goals this year…

    Fixed

  109. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Oil have been playing every other day for 16 days including 5 plane rides.

    – will be interesting to see how they handle this.

    – they have another game two nights from now after a 6th plane ride then have 3 days off before another brutal stretch of every other day amd 3 in 4 and lots of plane rides through time zones

    – we should have a pretty good idea in 30 days what this team might be IMO.

    – To be an eastern conference team travelling between Ottawa Toronto New York for 3 teams Philly Washington Chicago Detroit Montreal for much of season. No time zone changes. Easy flights (or buses) all less than 90 minutes.

  110. Pescador says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Huh…i’m glad I’m not able to watch this game…from what I hear minny is spanking us,and nothing is rhyming with the top lines.

    Just Curious, is minny trapping the crap out of us right now?

    Not really, it was pretty consistent with the “new NHL”
    Back check each other to death, stack up the net front 5 man box in your own zone, shot block everything, board battles have degenerated into stick waving fencing matches.
    5 men behind the puck, hook, hold & collapse on everything then pound the puck square.
    Just awful to watch even at 4v4

  111. Gerta Rauss says:

    Chaos Magician:
    Well that sucked.

    If you want to something good out of Minnesota check out comedian Chad Daniels. His album is one of my favourites. He has a new special on Amazon Prime. Might watch that now as a palate cleanser.

    Reina del Cid is worth checking out

    Toni Lindgren is a terrific guitar player

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GZfUDM5SWo

  112. McSorley33 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Oil have been playing every other day for 16 days including 5 plane rides.

    – will be interesting to see how they handle this.

    – they have another game two nights from now after a 6th plane ride then have 3 days off before another brutal stretch of every other day amd 3 in 4 and lots of plane rides through time zones

    – we should have a pretty good idea in 30 days what this team might be IMO.

    – To be an eastern conference team travelling between Ottawa Toronto New York for 3 teams Philly Washington Chicago Detroit Montreal for much of season. No time zone changes. Easy flights (or buses) all less than 90 minutes.

    Kenny Holland himself could not have made a better October Schedule for the Oilers.

    60 minute plane ride from YWG to MSP.

    We need different excuses for November when we play good teams and play back to back games .

  113. texmex says:

    Reider scores and has more goals than the oilers bottom 6 combined 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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  115. Munny says:

    Bulging Twine,

    This was going through my mind all game. Tip seems to want to avoid practices after travel days. Not so sure why on this one with the short hop, but maybe he was just trying to mix up the routine.

    I think he probably regrets it now though.

    They haven’t done it often but when they have it has cost them.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of note, the Oilers are in 2nd place in the NHL and 1st place in the Western Conference and this terrible stretch of hockey has led to a 1-1-1 record over three (2-1-1 over 4).

  117. Munny says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Huh…i’m glad I’m not able to watch this game…from what I hear minny is spanking us,and nothing is rhyming with the top lines.

    Just Curious, is minny trapping the crap out of us right now?

    They used a one man forecheck with a high guy who would join in if F1 generated enough chaos. The Wild played pretty similar to Chicago, with an aggressive press on the puck carrier, limiting time and space. That looks like the game plan to beat us. We’ve struggled from the top of the line-up to the bottom when forced to make ultra quick plays.

    Part of the reason is that to beat such a heavy press, probably the easiest strategy is adopt a passive trap, make simple puck plays to safety, and wait for mistakes, over-extensions, turnovers… a real boring patient style that isn’t in the Oiler playbook.

    But the main story is we lacked the energy to match the Wild’s level.

    And we wasted a helluva performance by Smith too.

  118. hunter1909 says:

    Munny:
    Bulging Twine,

    This has been going through my mind all game. Tip seems to want to avoid practices after travel days. Not so sure why on this one with the short hop, but maybe he was just trying to mix up the routine.

    I think he probably regrets it now though.

    All Tipp needs to do is ask Lowetide(That’s the Royal Lowetide in case anyone needs to know)…

    Lowetide’s understands how the Oilers are lazy entitled babies, undeserving of any extra kindness or consideration from it’s perceived reality from the players – who must by now think of management as a bunch of dribbling morons lol

    Oilers should have bag skates built into their schedule, so management can sometimes cancel these so long as the team’s playing acceptably – otherwise it’s Out on the Ice!

  119. Munny says:

    I would move Benning up beside Klefbomb and Russell back beside Lagesson, who should be a good fit.

    At least try it for a game and see if the results improve.

    Krusty got given a ton of minutes tonight in part because to not do so would’ve meant playing Manning more.

  120. hunter1909 says:

    For some Oilers fans, Oilers losing makes things feel better.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    I would move Benning up beside Klefbomb and Russell back beside Lagesson, who should be a good fit.

    At least try it for a game and see if the results improve.

    Krusty got given a ton of minutes tonight in part because to not do so would’ve meant playing Manning more.

    This seemed like a no-brainer prior to Russell being moved up but Tippett has give Benning zero at bat up the lineup even through exhibition.

    Persson could be back any game now given the 7-10 day timeline.

  122. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I gotta ask – did you really not know about the quote function before?If so, you’re life just changed.

    P.S. I did make a similar comment to ArmChairs a few days ago asking if there was a reason you didn’t use it….

    Sorry I must have missed that …….just my signature.

    I have made the change

  123. Turning Tikkanese says:

    I heard on the broadcast a few days ago that a flu was going thru the dressing room. Missed tonight’s game , but it seemed to me both Leon and Connor seemed to run out of gas easily. Possible explanation for dip in performance?

    Anyone else hear anything or am I grasping for a rationale?

  124. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I didn’t want Chiasson signed because I don’t like skating challenged players.

    But I think it’s fair to consider there are a lot of balls in the air for Holland.

    A major one being the Oilers have treated a lot of players poorly in the last 10 years. Chiasson is a well liked, hard working, responsible player. I think that with background issues such as players not wanting to come to Edmonton (same ball of wax) moved together to lead to the result.

    I would think Holland thinks he could move him next season, the contract is not horrible after all.

    As you said we don’t really know.

    I don’t know, man. My litmus test for a bad contract is whether or not you could trade the player 10 minutes after you signed the contract. My gut feeling / gestalt is that you would have had to add to move the Chiasson contract the second it was signed.

    The contract won’t likely be bought out because, as someone recently pointed out to me, there’s a max of three buyouts you can have on the books. The Sekera and Pouliot buyouts both run into next year.

    Bigger fish to fry.

    Overpaying for ‘good in the room,’ ‘intangibles,’ past heaters, want to be here, declining vets, and fourth liners is a loser’s proposition.

    It’s long been an axiom that smart teams don’t pay fourth liners $2 m annual contracts.

  125. Ryan says:

    Munny:
    I would move Benning up beside Klefbomb and Russell back beside Lagesson, who should be a good fit.

    At least try it for a game and see if the results improve.

    Krusty got given a ton of minutes tonight in part because to not do so would’ve meant playing Manning more.

    I like Tippett.

    He showed some savvy in limiting Connors and especially Leon’s minutes in a game down 3 to start the second period.

    Leon played under 20, that’s barely enough to warm up for a guy used to 25 minutes.

  126. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think we have to become more accustomed to Holly and Tip slow-playing young players. Call ups aren’t going to get thrown into the roster on Day 1, they’ll be given every chance to succeed by getting them used to the team’s daily routine first, getting a practice or two in, giving them time in the dressing room, press box views of the NHL game, film breakdown of said games,..

    Time to be comfortable and hungry, rather than rushed and nervous.

    That’s my theory anyways. We’ll see if they exercise the same patience with other call-ups and it proves correct.

  127. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Ryan: I don’t know, man. My litmus test for a bad contract is whether or not you could trade the player 10 minutes after you signed the contract. My gut feeling / gestalt is that you would have had to add to move the Chiasson contract the second it was signed.

    The contract won’t likely be bought out because, as someone recently pointed out to me, there’s a max of three buyouts you can have on the books. The Sekera and Pouliot buyouts both run into next year.

    Bigger fish to fry.

    Overpaying for ‘good in the room,’ ‘intangibles,’ past heaters, want to be here,declining vets, and fourth liners is a loser’s proposition.

    It’s long been an axiom that smart teams don’t pay fourth liners $2 m annual contracts.

    Long an axiom for well run teams.

    I think you missed my point.

  128. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Long an axiom for well run teams.

    I think you missed my point.

    Chiasson wasn’t one of the players not following the system – in fact he was which reinforces the point – be a good guy, have a good attitude, play the right way and you’re valued. Turning around a poorly run business is painful and takes steps.

  129. Ryan says:

    Munny:
    I would move Benning up beside Klefbomb and Russell back beside Lagesson, who should be a good fit.

    At least try it for a game and see if the results improve.

    Krusty got given a ton of minutes tonight in part because to not do so would’ve meant playing Manning more.

    Look at the Toi/g and on the fly starts/60.

    Benning is averaging under 14minutes per game all situations. Him and Manning are hovering around 60 on the fly starts /60.

    Benning is also sparsely used on the Pk… 39 seconds per game.

    I don’t think Tippett sees Benning as more than a third pairing defenseman.

    Based on his utilization, I’d be shocked if that changes barring injury.

  130. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Chiasson wasn’t one of the players not following the system – in fact he was which reinforces the point – be a good guy, have a good attitude, play the right way and you’re valued. Turning around a poorly run business is painful and takes steps.

    Both Peter Chiarelli and Ken Holland have a history of overpaying guys because of loyalty and it’s never worked out. We were a bottom 10 team with him last year, was he instrumental to our success?

  131. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Does anyone who has a deeper understanding of systems see why the Oilers have so much trouble scoring 5v5 if not on the rush?

    Multiple GMs, multiple coaches. multiple players. Seems odd. Water?

  132. Ryan says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Does anyone who has a deeper understanding of systems see why the Oilers have so much trouble scoring 5v5 if not on the rush?

    Multiple GMs, multiple coaches. multiple players. Seems odd. Water?

    1. I’m not a systems guy. Would love an answer from someone who is.

    Overall, the Oilers have long lacked enough actual NHL players in their prime.

    Also, the Oilers have long valued the defensive defenseman. I always thought that Kevin Lowe wanted hard nosed dmen cut from the same cloth.

    Reinhart… Staios… Larsson… Nick Schultz

    When they’ve had the rare defenseman good at transitioning the puck, they usually undervalue them.

    Gilbert… Petry…

    As a consequence, the Oilers are terrible at the transition game.

    With Bear, they almost look like a normal hockey team at times.

    Scoring chances off controlled entries and rush plays are generally much higher than on dump ins.

  133. godot10 says:

    Ryan:

    The contract won’t likely be bought out because, as someone recently pointed out to me, there’s a max of three buyouts you can have on the books. The Sekera and Pouliot buyouts both run into next year.

    This is not true. A team can have as many buyouts as they desire. The limit of three pertains to retained salary. One can only retain salary on three contracts.

  134. McSorley33 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Does anyone who has a deeper understanding of systems see why the Oilers have so much trouble scoring 5v5 if not on the rush?

    Multiple GMs, multiple coaches. multiple players. Seems odd. Water?

    Roster construction.

    This year is Archibald, Granlund, Sheehan…etc, etc

    Last year, Rieder, Rattie, Spooner, Cave etc,etc..

    Previous years…Hendricks, Pakaranen, Lander

    Klinkhammer, Boyd Gordon, Matt Fraser, etc, etc

    Ryan Jones, Joensuu, Will Acton, etc, etc,

    Would it surprise anyone if Chiasson, Archibald and Sheehan were out of the NHL
    in 24 months……

  135. Tye says:

    hunter1909,

    Email sent.
    I RARELY comment but have been kicking around awhile. *clap clap* Happy to contribute any way I can.

    GOilers!

  136. Ryan says:

    godot10: This is not true.A team can have as many buyouts as they desire.The limit of three pertains to retained salary.One can only retain salary on three contracts.

    Thanks. This is good news, lol.

  137. Ryan says:

    McSorley33,

    The Corsica player ratings aren’t perfect, but they give a decent reality check.

    https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/line-combinations/

    We have the #3 top line (dragged down by Kassian).

    2nd line is 21st

    3rd line is 31 st.

    4rth line is somehow 23rd.

  138. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Boy they looked BAD. So bad that I wonder if there’s an illness going through the room. Or is it the drop off after a high level game against the Jets? The Wild made them look pathetic and the Wild are a bottom 5 team. Goes to show you can’t take nights off and expect to keep it close.

    McD looks to face a defensive line at the blue line when he has the puck. Gotta adjust…..

  139. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33: Roster construction.

    This year is Archibald, Granlund, Sheehan…etc, etc

    Last year, Rieder, Rattie, Spooner, Cave etc,etc..

    Previous years…Hendricks, Pakaranen, Lander

    Klinkhammer, Boyd Gordon, Matt Fraser, etc, etc

    Ryan Jones, Joensuu, Will Acton, etc, etc,

    Would it surprise anyone if Chiasson, Archibald and Sheehan were out of the NHL
    in 24 months……

    IMO there’s only one way to build a bottom six and that’s draft and develop. Free agent signings don’t work because you’re inevitably signing someone for $1 mill, from a team that didn’t want to retain that player. You can probably trade for one or two, but draft and develop seems like the bottom line solution. Hopefully Marody, Benson and Yamo will be part of that solution this year.

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    Ryan:
    McSorley33,

    The Corsica player ratings aren’t perfect, but they give a decent reality check.

    https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/line-combinations/

    We have the #3 top line (dragged down by Kassian).

    2nd line is 21st

    3rd line is 31 st.

    4rth line is somehow 23rd.

    Neil is an incredible shooter, but he doesn’t really drive play or move the play forward effectively. The second line needs someone who can help Nuge create the scoring chances for Neil.

  141. Admiral Ackbar says:

    JimmyV1965,

    That would certainly explain the results we’ve seen considering the top line plays nearly half the game. It certainly isn’t sustainable. I wonder if tonight’s result is the built up debt of overplaying that line.

  142. GMB3 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Does anyone who has a deeper understanding of systems see why the Oilers have so much trouble scoring 5v5 if not on the rush?

    Multiple GMs, multiple coaches. multiple players. Seems odd. Water?

    Good question. You watch other teams and they seem to create plays where they get the puck to an open man in or near the slot for a decent shot. We get the puck in the corner and it’s either a loss of possession or a shot from the back end.

    The dreaded low-to-high offense. It was a Tmac staple from having actual talented offensive D me thinks, but it also predates him by my memory.

    Hall-RNH-Eberle weren’t bad off the cycle, Eberle’s best years he was a force getting to the dangerous ice in the slot and finishing player

  143. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Ryan:
    McSorley33,

    The Corsica player ratings aren’t perfect, but they give a decent reality check.

    https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/line-combinations/

    We have the #3 top line (dragged down by Kassian).

    2nd line is 21st

    3rd line is 31 st.

    4rth line is somehow 23rd.

    Alright! I am about to blow e’rybodies minds here with my analytical skills.

    Utilizing my inferior mathematical abilities this equates to either a 20th place team (if you everything up and divide by 4)…. or if you used my proprietary algorithm, so I cannot disclose anymore information related to the methodology, this is a 16th place team…..

    Like LT, my preseason prediction came to 88pts. Perhaps this early season success nudges them into the 90’s, but the low shot totals and lack of depth scoring will negate every good thing that 97 & 29 bring to this roster.

    Don’t get me wrong, the sky is not falling in my world, this is the same as it ever was. This start has been awesome. The difference for me is the prospects ARE coming, but not this year, not really. With the 2020 Draft being a bumper crop there is finally a light at the end of the tunnel. I have high expectations for this team in 2020-20, but for me this year, “All the points can go away, if we get a shot a Lafreniere”

  144. Ribs says:

    This game felt like the first regular season game after a long, confidence building pre-season. If the top guys don’t cash, expect losses. The story we knew coming in. There were some bright spots, but they are still too sparse to get excited about.

    The TOI is about the only thing you have to look at to get a feel for where the team is right now.

    Klefbom over 25 mins, Russel with over 20 mins. Rookie Bear with 20+. Manning is on the roster for some reason. Helper forwards are non-existent beyond James Neal (with small sample shoutout to P. Russel).

    I’d say they don’t match up well against this Minnesota squad on paper, but that only makes me sad inside.

    Hopefully they can learn something from a game like this and continue on in a constructive way. Powerplay success needs to be made a top level priority. It is the easiest way to scrape by in this league. I personally hate the road this leads down as far as how a hockey team should play, but with this roster, it will be a necessity. They need to become Alain Vigneault’s Canucks *shudder*, without becoming Alain Vigneault’s Canucks.

    —-

    Random Youtubing brought me to this…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cWFbRJm41E

    Barzal says he talked to 27 teams before the draft and the Islanders weren’t one of them. Bizarre. Seems like a good kid. Sad he isn’t an Oiler today.

  145. drglen says:

    Ryan:
    McSorley33,

    The Corsica player ratings aren’t perfect, but they give a decent reality check.

    https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/line-combinations/

    We have the #3 top line (dragged down by Kassian).

    2nd line is 21st

    3rd line is 31 st.

    4rth line is somehow 23rd.

    third line is abysmal. Preseason ‘buzz’ was a complete wash out.

  146. ArmchairGM says:

    Chaos Magician: If you want to something good out of Minnesota

    The most hot girls per capita in the Western Hemisphere.

  147. Wilde says:

    The best look at the bottom six (remember when I talked about digging deep on the last few years of team’s depth scoring – not by points by players but by GF/60?) is this:

    McDavid, Draisaitl and Nugent-Hopkins off the ice, at 5v5: 0.34 GF/60, 1.52 SH%

    Last two seasons combined, it was 1.27/60 / / 4.43 SH%

    So, the regression is obviously coming, but they’re already in a hole. Special teams and goaltending – and the Nuge line being way better, way way better – can power through it, but it’s such an insane weakness that it’d be pretty easy to shore up to like 25th instead of 31st or whatever. This is what happens when you give up before you start on bottom six scoring, never liked that move and have been sounding the alarm all summer and all fall when Marody and Benson and Jones got cut early.

  148. Wilde says:

    ArmchairGM: The most hot girls per capita in the Western Hemisphere.

    Okay I’m triggered. South America is in the western hemisphere.

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley: Sorry I must have missed that …….just my signature.

    I have made the change

    Oh, don’t be sorry – I couldn’t care at all, post how you wish – just wasn’t sure if you were aware of the quote function and choosing not to use it.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    TurningTikkanese:
    I heard on the broadcast a few days ago that a flu was going thru the dressing room. Missed tonight’s game , but it seemed to me both Leon and Connor seemed to run out of gas easily. Possible explanation for dip in performance?

    Anyone else hear anything or am I grasping for a rationale?

    I didn’t hear anything about that on the broadcast last night but they already had a bit of the flu bug a few weeks ago and McDavid normally gets sick around this time of year – and when I say “normally”, I mean “always”.

  151. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:

    The contract won’t likely be bought out because, as someone recently pointed out to me, there’s a max of three buyouts you can have on the books. The Sekera and Pouliot buyouts both run into next year.

    There is no limit on buyouts.

    The limit is retained contracts – can only retain on 3 contracts at a time.

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