Total Recalls

by Lowetide

A first NHL recall is damned important, but context matters. Fernando Pisani’s came after 172 AHL games and four years in college. It came in mid-season and he was inserted into the lineup where he ate Daniel Cleary’s lunch immediately.

Curtis Hamilton’s first recall came after 208 AHL games, and was an end of season (and entry deal) ‘sail on’ thanks from an organization that misspent a valuable draft pick on a player with a substantial injury history. Hamilton damned near got thrown out of the game on the first shift, and was off to Europe the next fall. The recall is important, but context matters.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Josh Archibald’s injury and limited replacements available puts some pressure on Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 4 reasons why the Oilers passed their first true test of the season
  • Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and James Neal are leading a quality Oilers second line
  • Lowetide: Assessing the early season progress of Oilers’ defence and goaltending
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s impressive Liiga performance headlines Oilers prospects this week
  • Lowetide:  Oilers recall Sam Gagner to bolster offensive depth, option Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: There are many similarities between this year’s Oilers team after seven and the 2016-17 team that made the playoffs. Similarities, differences and the work that needs to be done.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: That was pretty sick’: What teammates and opponents are saying about Connor McDavid’s latest goal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I’m gonna bring a bigger bag with me’: Oilers rookies learn about life on the road in the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A deep dive on the Oilers’ bottom six, which needs to produce more offence
  • Lowetide: Ethan Bear’s early success with the Oilers and what it might mean at the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: How well are the solutions to key Oilers weaknesses working?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Oscar Klefbom playing tough minutes with inexperienced partners — and looking good doing it
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

2005-06 RECALLS

  • October 15, recalled C Kyle Brodziak (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Danny Syvret (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Dan Smith (7 games, no points)
  • November 5, recalled G Ty Conklin (18, 2.80, .880 spring Armageddon)
  • December 7, recalled Matt Greene (27 games, two points, plus 18 playoff games)
  • December 20, recalled L Brad Winchester (12, 0-1-1, big playoff goal)
  • January 31, recalled J-F Jacques (7 games, and no points)
  • February 11, recalled Mathieu Roy (1 game, no points)
  • February 28, recalled Yan Stastny (3 games, no points)
  • March 13, recalled Marc Pouliot (8 games, a goal, mono)
  • May 21, recalled Toby Petersen (2 games, one goal, in playoffs)

The best players, as it turned out, were Brodziak and Greene. Both men were traded early by the organization, and the heart of their careers spent elsewhere. Here are my top 20 prospects from May of 2005, notice the slotting of Brodziak and Greene. What you see below is exactly what I wrote 14.5 years ago, was dying to edit but didn’t touch a thing.

TOP 20 PROSPECTS, MAY 2005

  1. Marc Antoine Pouliot-Has a lot going for him imo. Good size, can make a pass, and appears to be one of the few first round forwards the coach might like.
  2. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers-The first of many prospects who didn’t have a solid season, but he did play and ended the season with more good than poor efforts.
  3. Devan Dubnyk-He had a solid season and played well late in the season and in the short playoff.
  4. Rob Schremp-Improved as a scorer, but apparently hasn’t progressed as a 5×5 player. Some complained when London acquired Fritsche, but the real question is why did the team feel a need to go get him?
  5. Matt Greene-If he turns pro, it’ll be interesting to see how long it takes the coach to elevate him past Woywitka.
  6. Doug Lynch-Had a poor season after a terrific rookie season as a pro. I’m betting he comes back strong in the fall and returns to 03-04 form.
  7. Kyle Brodziak-Fine 20 year old AHL season, especially the second half. This generation’s Shaun Van Allen?
  8. JF Jacques-Prototype for the new generation of Oiler winger. Had a terrific season.
  9. Jeff Woywitka-In danger of getting passed by a second tier of defensemen.
  10. Brad Winchester-Splendid season. Back on track as a prospect after a couple of indifferent college seasons and a rough transition to pro.
  11. Dragan Umicevic-Did the Oilers accidentally pick a guy the Senators wanted?
  12. Liam Reddox-Scored at a Schremp-like pace and isn’t as small as first thought.
  13. Geoff Paukovich-Half hockey player, half monster.
  14. Colin McDonald-Injury hurt his season.
  15. Mathieu Roy-Got everything possible out of this season.
  16. Roman Tesliuk-Started terribly, improved as the season rolled on.
  17. Alexei Mikhnov-Season wasn’t as bad as it first appeared. Get him over here.
  18. Jani Rita-All reports say he had a good season in Finland.
  19. Tom Gilbert-Had a very good season.
  20. Tony Salmelainen-Missed a massive chance to move ahead of Rita, etc.

Anyway, back to Pisani and Hamilton. Both men turned pro in the Lowe-MacT era, and there were certain things about the Oilers at that time that could be viewed as unusual. For instance, MacT wasn’t overly fond of the Oilers first-round picks. He liked later picks, would often elevate a smart player like Pisani ahead of the first rounder.

We’re finding out about the Ken Holland Oilers as the days go down. There’s a recall coming, and last night’s game featured a strong Colby Cave performance and a goal from Joe Gambardella. Tyler Benson, Cooper Marody and Kailer Yamamoto were also in the game, but didn’t shine like diamonds. Who is the Kyle Brodziak and who is the Curtis Hamilton?

Safe options include Colby Cave, Josh Currie, Joe Gambardella, Brad Malone. Prospect options include Yamamoto, Benson, Marody, maybe even Ryan McLeod.

At the time of his recall, Kyle Brodziak was playing for the Iowa Stars (this was during the time Edmonton had no AHL affiliate of its own). He played in 55 games, went 12-19-31 and played a solid two-way game. Brodziak would play another AHL season, in which he blossomed offensively (62, 24-32-56) before landing as a fulltime NHL player. He was 21 in 2005-06, 23 when he made it to the NHL for good.

AHL POINT PER GAME TOTALS, CAREER

  1. Cooper Marody 1.03
  2. Tyler Benson .925
  3. Kyle Brodziak .688
  4. Kailer Yamamoto .676
  5. Joe Gambardella .673
  6. Josh Currie .613
  7. Gaetan Haas .500
  8. Brad Malone .490
  9. Colby Cave .486
  10. Ryan McLeod .429

Based on performance this season, I think Kailer Yamamoto is the choice. Based on the Lowe-MacT era criteria, I’d say someone like Gambardella or Currie might be the choice.

I wrote all of this to get here: For Benson and Marody, if there is no recall, this is a bit of an opportunity missed. Entering training camp, both would have been considered better bets than the rest of the field. No one is suggesting a Curtis Hamilton future, but if both men are in the AHL Monday, that’s an opportunity missed. Context matters.

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Woogie63

It appears Holland has sent experienced tweeners to California- Gagner, Cave, Malone. Until Christmas I think this is the group that supports an injury in Alberta.

Jethro Tull

Quick aside; a sporting dynasty ended this morning
The All Blacks beaten by England at the Rugby Union world cup in a game for the ages.

And no tabernac Saturday game!

geowal

Also of note in this conversation, but almost impossible to document, or without great effort anyways, are the recalls that result in no games played, like Lagesson currently. Who’s already had one. Bear last year. Seems to happen every year. Now that’s really an opportunity missed.

geowal

Ah Jeff Woywitka, he of both the Mike Comrie and (1st) Chris Pronger trades…that would be quite the trade tree

OriginalPouzar

Will be interesting to see what practice looks like today.

Will Russell be skating after being banged up and not really playing in the third on Thursday?

Will Persson be look to be on a game-day line?

Does Lagesson look to be in for Manning given Brandon didn’t play much in the third? If Persson is to be activated, Lagesson may be off to California.

Who is lined up with Klefbom? Persson? Russell? Benning?

We may see a call-up today – I think it’ll be Cave given Archie was a top minutes and top effective PK guy. Reading the Athletic, LT doesn’t think so.

Reja

OriginalPouzar:
Will be interesting to see what practice looks like today.

Will Russell be skating after being banged up and not really playing in the third on Thursday?

Will Persson be look to be on a game-day line?

Does Lagesson look to be in for Manning given Brandon didn’t play much in the third? If Persson is to be activated, Lagesson may be off to California.

Who is lined up with Klefbom? Persson? Russell? Benning?

We may see a call-up today – I think it’ll be Cave given Archie was a top minutes and top effective PK guy. Reading the Athletic, LT doesn’t think so.

I liked Archie’s game tenacious on the PK and he laid out a couple of huge hits. I could see why Tippett liked him, who’s ever replacing Archie better be up for the challenge.

leadfarmer

How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
Gives hope for Russell contract

Ryan

leadfarmer:
How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
Gives hope for Russell contract

Quite a feat for sure.

Gudbranson is 5 years younger, shoots right, and is 7” taller. Don’t think he had any trade protection either.

Darth Tu

I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night. My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening). The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK. I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

Jethro – well done to England.

Jethro Tull

leadfarmer:
How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
Gives hope for Russell contract

Chiarelli?

Ryan

OriginalPouzar,

Chaser’s at 0.65 points per hour (5v5) on the second line at 92 minutes. That’s below fourth line replacement level.

Nuge is off to a rough start at 0.83 but he has an established level of ability.

Wonder if Chaser is killing the second line.

yeraslob

Jethro Tull: Chiarelli?

lol

Jethro Tull

Darth Tu,

Thanks and best to you and your family!

Silver Streak

Darth Tu:
I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night.My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening).The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK.I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

Jethro – well done to England.

Congratulations….as a guy who was blessed with 2 daughters and one son, there is nothing like a baby girl….

As for tonights feature game….outdoors on the windswept prairie! Hockey like it was meant to be played…..I wonder if the unreal winds Alberta experienced Yesterday have found Regina or perhaps blew through and have hit the Maritimes at 85 kms / hr ! Go Jets.

godot10

Somebody should tell Tyler Benson that zero goals is not going to get him to the NHL.

Jethro Tull

godot10:
Somebody should tell Tyler Benson that zero goals is not going to get him to the NHL.

But it can keep you there on this Oilers team.

€√¥£€^$

Darth Tu,

Congrats!

€√¥£€^$

Manning has played well his last 2 games, not sure if they’d change anything on D unless K Russ is too banged up to go. Gambo should be recalled, Granlund should sit.

To start the game I’d go:

Drai – McD – Neal
Jurco – Nuge – Kassian
JJ – Sheahan – Chaser
Gambo – Gags – Russell

Victoria Oil

geowal:
Also of note in this conversation, but almost impossible to document, or without great effort anyways, are the recalls that result in no games played, like Lagesson currently. Who’s already had one. Bear last year. Seems to happen every year. Now that’s really an opportunity missed.

I was disappointed a couple years ago when Nick Ellis was recalled and didn’t get a game.

Victoria Oil

The discussion about recalls in 05-06 reminded me of a couple points:

– Matt Greene was a solid defensive man, but boy did he take a lot of holding and obstruction penalties in the 06 playoffs (from what I remember)
– before we got Roloson, our save percentage was around .880, which is what Ty Conklin’s percentage was as noted above. At the time we were first in the league in SA at 25 per game, thanks to CFP, but last in save percentage. Roloson changed all that.Give credit to KLowe for that trade.

Congrats to Darth Tu and Jethro.

Go England!

€√¥£€^$

Victoria Oil: I was disappointed a couple years ago whenNick Ellis was recalled and didn’t get a game.

Me too. And then he retired the following season.

I thought he had a chance, but he wasn’t given one which is curious considering the goaltending woes of the last decade.

Last season I thought the only way this team had any hope of playoffs was if Starrett or Stolarz were given opportunities. I’ll never understand why we’ve not seen this in Edmonton in recent years, considering the impact Moog had in 1981.

Munny

Can Marody improve his skating enough to become a Kyle Brodziak?

I’m cheering for it… Brodziaks are useful players.

But I wish he had the same passion for skating as he does song writing.

Munny

Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 43m43 minutes ago

With Archibald out here are Oilers lines today:

Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
Chiasson-RNH-Neal
Khaira-Sheahan-P.Russell
Jurco-Granlund-Gagner

Nurse-Bear
Klefbom-Russell
Manning-Benning
Lagesson-Persson (IR)

Koskinen
Smith

So Jurco takes PRusty’s spot on the Granny line, and PRusty slides up to Archie’s spot on the Grind Line.

barry.moore23

A day late I know, but man that was a big win on Thursday. Getting to watch every game makes NHL Center Ice a steal at twice the price. Shhhhhh…..

Munny

leadfarmer: How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
Gives hope for Russell contract

By settling for basically nothing in return from a franchise in desperate need of a defenseman.

According to WG’s sources—which may or may not have been his phone—Oilers tried to trade KRusty over the summer but were thwarted by his NT List.

HugThePost

I like Jurco and Gagner together to try milk some offence out of that line.

I don’t get to watch any Condors games but for any that do, what is the consensus on Benson this year? Last year he seemed like a beast offensively but this year no goals?

digger50

Tippet trying to squeeze out another win.

Some of these players, including Archibald have been god awful. What happened to competing for a roster spot? Seems like these guys are very well set in their “filler” position, only to be rotated here and there to allow the other “fillers” a game. Uugh

OriginalPouzar

Bit surprised on Smith starting but don’t feel strongly about it. There is an extra day rest in there so it may be about keeping him from getting stale.

Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian

Chiasson-RNH-Neal

Khaira-Sheahan-P.Russell

Jurco-Granlund-Gagner

Nurse-Bear

Klefbom-Russell

Manning-Benning

Lagesson-Persson (IR)

Smith

——————————

I’ve wanted to see Jurco and Gagner together as I think they could maybe produce on a soft minutes offensive line – they both have offensive skill and IQ – maybe they can work well together.

Given the d-pairings, it would look like Russell is just find and Persson may not quite be ready yet.

Thought Lagesson may get in over Manning given Manning hardly played in the 3rd period but its not looking that way. They need to get a look at Lagesson at some point and I’m not sure why they aren’t taking this opportunity. He needs a new contract this off-season and loses his waiver exemption – they to see what they have at the NHL level.

Looks like they are going back to Russell at 2RD – boggles me that Tip won’t try Benning with Klef – I thought they were good in the 3rd against WSH and it helped with the team offence.

Munny

Lowetide: Archibald has been disappointing. I wonder how long he’s had this injury. Might explain early performance.

The shot block in the third period of the Jets game has been the report from the media.

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blainer

I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Nurse moved up to play with Sheahan for a few shifts. Play Laags or Klef with Bear while the short experiment plays out.

Sounds crazy I know but I wouldn’t put it past Nurse to pot a few palying up front !!

Munny

Woodguy v2.0,

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blainer

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As always small sample sizes abound. Remember anything under 300 minutes can be pretty noisy. Right now we have the 17/18 and 18/19 seasons up (with 19/20 results populating nightly, but only accessible through the custom range option)

@OilersNerdAlert is building 16/17, 15/16 and 14/15 as I type and we’ll add those over the coming months. Thanks to Sean @frozenpools Zsolt and GMoney @OilersNerdAlert for all their hard work.

Have fun making sweeping statements with insufficient sample sizes everyone!!!!

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LadiesloveSmid

I suspect Currie/Cave/Gambardella or even Brad Malone.

More of the same, guys who can PK alright & not piss a drop in the offensive zone.

F it, call up Yammy.

Munny

HugThePost: I like Jurco and Gagner together to try milk some offence out of that line.

Defensively it will be an adventure, but there should be enough talent there to get something done at the other end of the ice.

And hey, maybe we will actually have a second PP unit…

McSorley33

Munny:
Can Marody improve his skating enough to become a Kyle Brodziak?

I’m cheering for it… Brodziak’s are useful players,

But I wish he had the same passion for skating as he does song writing.

Cooper turns 23 in a few weeks.

So far, he has 3 points in 7 games ( no goals ) on the Farm

I’m not sure the Oilers would even consider him at 3C.

I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
P.K. specialist.

It seems like, Cooper’s early demotion in training camp was a tell from the organization.

I am a fan of him and I would easily be convinced to give him a shot over what we are
currently icing for the bottom 6.

digger50

Lowetide: Archibald has been disappointing. I wonder how long he’s had this injury. Might explain early performance.

You are always kind and “disappointing” is a better word. Didn’t the injury come from blocking a shot last game?

Injury always affects performance and of course if it is undisclosed you don’t get any empathy from fans. Or math.

Munny

McSorley33: I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
P.K. specialist.

I’m already on record several times stating that this is the likely the case.

OriginalPouzar

Jack Michaels now saying that Tippett didn’t confirm Smith is starting but that he’s reading the tea leaves that way.

Bulging Twine

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Woodguy v2.0

Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

Woodguy v2.0

Munny,

blainer,

Bulging Twine,

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There was a large error in 18/19 but it wasn’t in the db but in how it was copied.

Waaaaay above my ability level to fix (I have no clue about db, api, etc) , but that’s why Sean, Zsolt and G should get 99% of the credit for the site.

OriginalPouzar

Don’t really agree with the Haas recall, I mean, if they thought he needed 6-7 games of adjustment in the AHL, what’s changed?

Don’t get me wrong, he’ll help the bottom 6 speed and it will be nice to have him in the lineup but I think they should stick with their preferred plan for him if it would benefit his game going forward.

I’m concerned about the PK time replacement. Archie was over 2 min per game and we don’t want Drai picking up the slack.

OriginalPouzar

Berglund with the lone goal for Skelfeeta in a 5-1 loss. He’s started to produce a bit recently.

Hopefully he signs and comes over for next season.

https://twitter.com/heresyourreplay/status/1188100017221001216?s=21

Bulging Twine

Woodguy v2.0:
Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

Granlund out?

jp

Bulging Twine: Granlund out?

Haas will probably be in the PB for now. They’re somewhat short on PK options with Archibald out (or would be with Granlund out too). That’s my assumption/guess, not necessarily my preference.

Munny

Ray Ferraro on TSN radio, commenting on The Dynamic Duo, Bear, and the long road to Tippetary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijVAaeB3EU

Munny

Woodguy v2.0:
Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

Not all that surprising since he beat out Cave coming out of TC.