Total Recalls

A first NHL recall is damned important, but context matters. Fernando Pisani’s came after 172 AHL games and four years in college. It came in mid-season and he was inserted into the lineup where he ate Daniel Cleary’s lunch immediately.

Curtis Hamilton’s first recall came after 208 AHL games, and was an end of season (and entry deal) ‘sail on’ thanks from an organization that misspent a valuable draft pick on a player with a substantial injury history. Hamilton damned near got thrown out of the game on the first shift, and was off to Europe the next fall. The recall is important, but context matters.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Josh Archibald’s injury and limited replacements available puts some pressure on Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 4 reasons why the Oilers passed their first true test of the season
  • Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and James Neal are leading a quality Oilers second line
  • Lowetide: Assessing the early season progress of Oilers’ defence and goaltending
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s impressive Liiga performance headlines Oilers prospects this week
  • Lowetide:  Oilers recall Sam Gagner to bolster offensive depth, option Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: There are many similarities between this year’s Oilers team after seven and the 2016-17 team that made the playoffs. Similarities, differences and the work that needs to be done.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: That was pretty sick’: What teammates and opponents are saying about Connor McDavid’s latest goal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I’m gonna bring a bigger bag with me’: Oilers rookies learn about life on the road in the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A deep dive on the Oilers’ bottom six, which needs to produce more offence
  • Lowetide: Ethan Bear’s early success with the Oilers and what it might mean at the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: How well are the solutions to key Oilers weaknesses working?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Oscar Klefbom playing tough minutes with inexperienced partners — and looking good doing it
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

2005-06 RECALLS

  • October 15, recalled C Kyle Brodziak (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Danny Syvret (10 games no points)
  • November 4, recalled D Dan Smith (7 games, no points)
  • November 5, recalled G Ty Conklin (18, 2.80, .880 spring Armageddon)
  • December 7, recalled Matt Greene (27 games, two points, plus 18 playoff games)
  • December 20, recalled L Brad Winchester (12, 0-1-1, big playoff goal)
  • January 31, recalled J-F Jacques (7 games, and no points)
  • February 11, recalled Mathieu Roy (1 game, no points)
  • February 28, recalled Yan Stastny (3 games, no points)
  • March 13, recalled Marc Pouliot (8 games, a goal, mono)
  • May 21, recalled Toby Petersen (2 games, one goal, in playoffs)

The best players, as it turned out, were Brodziak and Greene. Both men were traded early by the organization, and the heart of their careers spent elsewhere. Here are my top 20 prospects from May of 2005, notice the slotting of Brodziak and Greene. What you see below is exactly what I wrote 14.5 years ago, was dying to edit but didn’t touch a thing.

TOP 20 PROSPECTS, MAY 2005

  1. Marc Antoine Pouliot-Has a lot going for him imo. Good size, can make a pass, and appears to be one of the few first round forwards the coach might like.
  2. Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers-The first of many prospects who didn’t have a solid season, but he did play and ended the season with more good than poor efforts.
  3. Devan Dubnyk-He had a solid season and played well late in the season and in the short playoff.
  4. Rob Schremp-Improved as a scorer, but apparently hasn’t progressed as a 5×5 player. Some complained when London acquired Fritsche, but the real question is why did the team feel a need to go get him?
  5. Matt Greene-If he turns pro, it’ll be interesting to see how long it takes the coach to elevate him past Woywitka.
  6. Doug Lynch-Had a poor season after a terrific rookie season as a pro. I’m betting he comes back strong in the fall and returns to 03-04 form.
  7. Kyle Brodziak-Fine 20 year old AHL season, especially the second half. This generation’s Shaun Van Allen?
  8. JF Jacques-Prototype for the new generation of Oiler winger. Had a terrific season.
  9. Jeff Woywitka-In danger of getting passed by a second tier of defensemen.
  10. Brad Winchester-Splendid season. Back on track as a prospect after a couple of indifferent college seasons and a rough transition to pro.
  11. Dragan Umicevic-Did the Oilers accidentally pick a guy the Senators wanted?
  12. Liam Reddox-Scored at a Schremp-like pace and isn’t as small as first thought.
  13. Geoff Paukovich-Half hockey player, half monster.
  14. Colin McDonald-Injury hurt his season.
  15. Mathieu Roy-Got everything possible out of this season.
  16. Roman Tesliuk-Started terribly, improved as the season rolled on.
  17. Alexei Mikhnov-Season wasn’t as bad as it first appeared. Get him over here.
  18. Jani Rita-All reports say he had a good season in Finland.
  19. Tom Gilbert-Had a very good season.
  20. Tony Salmelainen-Missed a massive chance to move ahead of Rita, etc.

Anyway, back to Pisani and Hamilton. Both men turned pro in the Lowe-MacT era, and there were certain things about the Oilers at that time that could be viewed as unusual. For instance, MacT wasn’t overly fond of the Oilers first-round picks. He liked later picks, would often elevate a smart player like Pisani ahead of the first rounder.

We’re finding out about the Ken Holland Oilers as the days go down. There’s a recall coming, and last night’s game featured a strong Colby Cave performance and a goal from Joe Gambardella. Tyler Benson, Cooper Marody and Kailer Yamamoto were also in the game, but didn’t shine like diamonds. Who is the Kyle Brodziak and who is the Curtis Hamilton?

Safe options include Colby Cave, Josh Currie, Joe Gambardella, Brad Malone. Prospect options include Yamamoto, Benson, Marody, maybe even Ryan McLeod.

At the time of his recall, Kyle Brodziak was playing for the Iowa Stars (this was during the time Edmonton had no AHL affiliate of its own). He played in 55 games, went 12-19-31 and played a solid two-way game. Brodziak would play another AHL season, in which he blossomed offensively (62, 24-32-56) before landing as a fulltime NHL player. He was 21 in 2005-06, 23 when he made it to the NHL for good.

AHL POINT PER GAME TOTALS, CAREER

  1. Cooper Marody 1.03
  2. Tyler Benson .925
  3. Kyle Brodziak .688
  4. Kailer Yamamoto .676
  5. Joe Gambardella .673
  6. Josh Currie .613
  7. Gaetan Haas .500
  8. Brad Malone .490
  9. Colby Cave .486
  10. Ryan McLeod .429

Based on performance this season, I think Kailer Yamamoto is the choice. Based on the Lowe-MacT era criteria, I’d say someone like Gambardella or Currie might be the choice.

I wrote all of this to get here: For Benson and Marody, if there is no recall, this is a bit of an opportunity missed. Entering training camp, both would have been considered better bets than the rest of the field. No one is suggesting a Curtis Hamilton future, but if both men are in the AHL Monday, that’s an opportunity missed. Context matters.

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  1. Woogie63 says:

    It appears Holland has sent experienced tweeners to California- Gagner, Cave, Malone. Until Christmas I think this is the group that supports an injury in Alberta.

  2. Jethro Tull says:

    Quick aside; a sporting dynasty ended this morning
    The All Blacks beaten by England at the Rugby Union world cup in a game for the ages.

    And no tabernac Saturday game!

  3. geowal says:

    Also of note in this conversation, but almost impossible to document, or without great effort anyways, are the recalls that result in no games played, like Lagesson currently. Who’s already had one. Bear last year. Seems to happen every year. Now that’s really an opportunity missed.

  4. geowal says:

    Ah Jeff Woywitka, he of both the Mike Comrie and (1st) Chris Pronger trades…that would be quite the trade tree

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Will be interesting to see what practice looks like today.

    Will Russell be skating after being banged up and not really playing in the third on Thursday?

    Will Persson be look to be on a game-day line?

    Does Lagesson look to be in for Manning given Brandon didn’t play much in the third? If Persson is to be activated, Lagesson may be off to California.

    Who is lined up with Klefbom? Persson? Russell? Benning?

    We may see a call-up today – I think it’ll be Cave given Archie was a top minutes and top effective PK guy. Reading the Athletic, LT doesn’t think so.

  6. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Will be interesting to see what practice looks like today.

    Will Russell be skating after being banged up and not really playing in the third on Thursday?

    Will Persson be look to be on a game-day line?

    Does Lagesson look to be in for Manning given Brandon didn’t play much in the third? If Persson is to be activated, Lagesson may be off to California.

    Who is lined up with Klefbom? Persson? Russell? Benning?

    We may see a call-up today – I think it’ll be Cave given Archie was a top minutes and top effective PK guy. Reading the Athletic, LT doesn’t think so.

    I liked Archie’s game tenacious on the PK and he laid out a couple of huge hits. I could see why Tippett liked him, who’s ever replacing Archie better be up for the challenge.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
    Gives hope for Russell contract

  8. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
    Gives hope for Russell contract

    Quite a feat for sure.

    Gudbranson is 5 years younger, shoots right, and is 7” taller. Don’t think he had any trade protection either.

  9. Darth Tu says:

    I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night. My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening). The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

    On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK. I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

    What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

    Jethro – well done to England.

  10. Jethro Tull says:

    leadfarmer:
    How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
    Gives hope for Russell contract

    Chiarelli?

  11. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Chaser’s at 0.65 points per hour (5v5) on the second line at 92 minutes. That’s below fourth line replacement level.

    Nuge is off to a rough start at 0.83 but he has an established level of ability.

    Wonder if Chaser is killing the second line.

  12. yeraslob says:

    Jethro Tull: Chiarelli?

    lol

  13. Lowetide says:

    Darth Tu:
    I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night.My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening).The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

    On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK.I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

    What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

    Jethro – well done to England.

    Congrats to you and your wife and family!!

  14. Jethro Tull says:

    Darth Tu,

    Thanks and best to you and your family!

  15. Silver Streak says:

    Darth Tu:
    I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night.My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening).The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

    On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK.I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

    What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

    Jethro – well done to England.

    Congratulations….as a guy who was blessed with 2 daughters and one son, there is nothing like a baby girl….

    As for tonights feature game….outdoors on the windswept prairie! Hockey like it was meant to be played…..I wonder if the unreal winds Alberta experienced Yesterday have found Regina or perhaps blew through and have hit the Maritimes at 85 kms / hr ! Go Jets.

  16. godot10 says:

    Somebody should tell Tyler Benson that zero goals is not going to get him to the NHL.

  17. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10:
    Somebody should tell Tyler Benson that zero goals is not going to get him to the NHL.

    But it can keep you there on this Oilers team.

  18. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Darth Tu,

    Congrats!

  19. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Manning has played well his last 2 games, not sure if they’d change anything on D unless K Russ is too banged up to go. Gambo should be recalled, Granlund should sit.

    To start the game I’d go:

    Drai – McD – Neal
    Jurco – Nuge – Kassian
    JJ – Sheahan – Chaser
    Gambo – Gags – Russell

  20. Victoria Oil says:

    geowal:
    Also of note in this conversation, but almost impossible to document, or without great effort anyways, are the recalls that result in no games played, like Lagesson currently. Who’s already had one. Bear last year. Seems to happen every year. Now that’s really an opportunity missed.

    I was disappointed a couple years ago when Nick Ellis was recalled and didn’t get a game.

  21. Victoria Oil says:

    The discussion about recalls in 05-06 reminded me of a couple points:

    – Matt Greene was a solid defensive man, but boy did he take a lot of holding and obstruction penalties in the 06 playoffs (from what I remember)
    – before we got Roloson, our save percentage was around .880, which is what Ty Conklin’s percentage was as noted above. At the time we were first in the league in SA at 25 per game, thanks to CFP, but last in save percentage. Roloson changed all that.Give credit to KLowe for that trade.

    Congrats to Darth Tu and Jethro.

    Go England!

  22. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Victoria Oil: I was disappointed a couple years ago whenNick Ellis was recalled and didn’t get a game.

    Me too. And then he retired the following season.

    I thought he had a chance, but he wasn’t given one which is curious considering the goaltending woes of the last decade.

    Last season I thought the only way this team had any hope of playoffs was if Starrett or Stolarz were given opportunities. I’ll never understand why we’ve not seen this in Edmonton in recent years, considering the impact Moog had in 1981.

  23. Munny says:

    Can Marody improve his skating enough to become a Kyle Brodziak?

    I’m cheering for it… Brodziaks are useful players.

    But I wish he had the same passion for skating as he does song writing.

  24. Munny says:

    Bob Stauffer‏Verified account @Bob_Stauffer · 43m43 minutes ago

    With Archibald out here are Oilers lines today:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Chiasson-RNH-Neal
    Khaira-Sheahan-P.Russell
    Jurco-Granlund-Gagner

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Russell
    Manning-Benning
    Lagesson-Persson (IR)

    Koskinen
    Smith

    So Jurco takes PRusty’s spot on the Granny line, and PRusty slides up to Archie’s spot on the Grind Line.

  25. barry.moore23 says:

    A day late I know, but man that was a big win on Thursday. Getting to watch every game makes NHL Center Ice a steal at twice the price. Shhhhhh…..

  26. Munny says:

    leadfarmer: How were the Pens able to dump Gudbranson without taking cap back?
    Gives hope for Russell contract

    By settling for basically nothing in return from a franchise in desperate need of a defenseman.

    According to WG’s sources—which may or may not have been his phone—Oilers tried to trade KRusty over the summer but were thwarted by his NT List.

  27. HugThePost says:

    I like Jurco and Gagner together to try milk some offence out of that line.

    I don’t get to watch any Condors games but for any that do, what is the consensus on Benson this year? Last year he seemed like a beast offensively but this year no goals?

  28. digger50 says:

    Tippet trying to squeeze out another win.

    Some of these players, including Archibald have been god awful. What happened to competing for a roster spot? Seems like these guys are very well set in their “filler” position, only to be rotated here and there to allow the other “fillers” a game. Uugh

  29. Lowetide says:

    digger50:
    Tippet trying to squeeze out another win.

    Some of these players, including Archibald have been god awful. What happened to competing for a roster spot? Seems like these guys are very well set in their “filler” position, only to be rotated here and there to allow the other “fillers” a game.Uugh

    Archibald has been disappointing. I wonder how long he’s had this injury. Might explain early performance.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bit surprised on Smith starting but don’t feel strongly about it. There is an extra day rest in there so it may be about keeping him from getting stale.

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian

    Chiasson-RNH-Neal

    Khaira-Sheahan-P.Russell

    Jurco-Granlund-Gagner

    Nurse-Bear

    Klefbom-Russell

    Manning-Benning

    Lagesson-Persson (IR)

    Smith

    ——————————

    I’ve wanted to see Jurco and Gagner together as I think they could maybe produce on a soft minutes offensive line – they both have offensive skill and IQ – maybe they can work well together.

    Given the d-pairings, it would look like Russell is just find and Persson may not quite be ready yet.

    Thought Lagesson may get in over Manning given Manning hardly played in the 3rd period but its not looking that way. They need to get a look at Lagesson at some point and I’m not sure why they aren’t taking this opportunity. He needs a new contract this off-season and loses his waiver exemption – they to see what they have at the NHL level.

    Looks like they are going back to Russell at 2RD – boggles me that Tip won’t try Benning with Klef – I thought they were good in the 3rd against WSH and it helped with the team offence.

  31. Munny says:

    Lowetide: Archibald has been disappointing. I wonder how long he’s had this injury. Might explain early performance.

    The shot block in the third period of the Jets game has been the report from the media.

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  33. blainer says:

    I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Nurse moved up to play with Sheahan for a few shifts. Play Laags or Klef with Bear while the short experiment plays out.

    Sounds crazy I know but I wouldn’t put it past Nurse to pot a few palying up front !!

  34. Munny says:

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  36. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I suspect Currie/Cave/Gambardella or even Brad Malone.

    More of the same, guys who can PK alright & not piss a drop in the offensive zone.

    F it, call up Yammy.

  37. Munny says:

    HugThePost: I like Jurco and Gagner together to try milk some offence out of that line.

    Defensively it will be an adventure, but there should be enough talent there to get something done at the other end of the ice.

    And hey, maybe we will actually have a second PP unit…

  38. McSorley33 says:

    Munny:
    Can Marody improve his skating enough to become a Kyle Brodziak?

    I’m cheering for it… Brodziak’s are useful players,

    But I wish he had the same passion for skating as he does song writing.

    Cooper turns 23 in a few weeks.

    So far, he has 3 points in 7 games ( no goals ) on the Farm

    I’m not sure the Oilers would even consider him at 3C.

    I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
    P.K. specialist.

    It seems like, Cooper’s early demotion in training camp was a tell from the organization.

    I am a fan of him and I would easily be convinced to give him a shot over what we are
    currently icing for the bottom 6.

  39. digger50 says:

    Lowetide: Archibald has been disappointing. I wonder how long he’s had this injury. Might explain early performance.

    You are always kind and “disappointing” is a better word. Didn’t the injury come from blocking a shot last game?

    Injury always affects performance and of course if it is undisclosed you don’t get any empathy from fans. Or math.

  40. Munny says:

    McSorley33: I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
    P.K. specialist.

    I’m already on record several times stating that this is the likely the case.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jack Michaels now saying that Tippett didn’t confirm Smith is starting but that he’s reading the tea leaves that way.

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  43. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

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  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Don’t really agree with the Haas recall, I mean, if they thought he needed 6-7 games of adjustment in the AHL, what’s changed?

    Don’t get me wrong, he’ll help the bottom 6 speed and it will be nice to have him in the lineup but I think they should stick with their preferred plan for him if it would benefit his game going forward.

    I’m concerned about the PK time replacement. Archie was over 2 min per game and we don’t want Drai picking up the slack.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Berglund with the lone goal for Skelfeeta in a 5-1 loss. He’s started to produce a bit recently.

    Hopefully he signs and comes over for next season.

    https://twitter.com/heresyourreplay/status/1188100017221001216?s=21

  47. Bulging Twine says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

    Granlund out?

  48. jp says:

    Bulging Twine: Granlund out?

    Haas will probably be in the PB for now. They’re somewhat short on PK options with Archibald out (or would be with Granlund out too). That’s my assumption/guess, not necessarily my preference.

  49. Munny says:

    Ray Ferraro on TSN radio, commenting on The Dynamic Duo, Bear, and the long road to Tippetary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijVAaeB3EU

  50. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

    Not all that surprising since he beat out Cave coming out of TC.

  51. Munny says:

    Bulging Twine: Granlund out?

    Archibald. Injury.

  52. Nit64 says:

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  53. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Darth Tu:
    I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night.My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening).The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

    On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK.I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

    What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

    Jethro – well done to England.

    Yay!

    Did you name her Leia?

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    DarthTu:
    I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night.My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening).The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

    On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK.I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

    What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

    Jethro – well done to England.

    Congrats to you and your family and wishes of nothing but great health.

    I believe you are right on the mechanics of Cave’d potential re-assignment if it was he that was recalled (which it wasn’t). 10 games and 30 days would be the trigger – I believe, but would have to check that the 30 days would start from the date of recall.

    I agree on Haas – if the organization though he needed 6-7 games of AHL time, I think they should have stuck with the plan. Oh well, not a big deal.

    100% on Yamamoto, lets give the kid the development time, some real time, that he hasn’t received yet.

    I’d be more apt on calling one of the other two up at any time – they have material AHL development time under their belt.

    I would have gone with Cave 100% for the PK ability – I’m a bit concerned about filling Archie’s 2 plus minutes per game of plus PK – he was tops in per game minutes and effectiveness (as far as GAs).

    We do NOT want Drai filling that gap.

  55. godot10 says:

    HugThePost:
    I like Jurco and Gagner together to try milk some offence out of that line.

    I don’t get to watch any Condors games but for any that do, what is the consensus on Benson this year?Last year he seemed like a beast offensively but this year no goals?

    Benson didn’t score many goals till the second half of the season last year. He was kind of light in goalscoring in junior too. He is a playmaker, but unless he begins getting a bit selfish, and beginning putting himself in a position to finish, rather than just setup, he will never be an NHL’er, because there will always be better playmakers.

    Nobody is going to pay Benson to be a playmaker. He better get that into his head soon.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Craig McTavish’s Best Move:

    Drafting Leon Draisaitl over Sam Bennett (who was ranked ahead on most, not all, lists).

  57. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Nit64: ~ Well that would be a new thing around here ~

    ZING!

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Chaser’s at 0.65 points per hour (5v5) on the second line at 92 minutes. That’s below fourth line replacement level.

    Nuge is off to a rough start at 0.83 but he has an established level of ability.

    Wonder if Chaser is killing the second line.

    I think that second line has actually looked OK at evens and Chiassor has even made some decent plays but I do agree and its clear he is not a top 6 winger – it was clear for most of last season.

    I still think that Jurco is the best bet there on the current roster – he’s got the better skill-set for it.

  59. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Haas recalled as per Oilers’ official twitter

    Interesting they didn’t give him more time to adjust down there, but kind of predictable otherwise. They’ve pretty much just recalled players following the order they were sent out, which is rather fair at this stage of the season.

    Oilers assignments to the Condors:
    Oct 19th
    Gaetan Haas (now back up)

    Oct 13th
    Colby Cave
    (Gagner up in the corresponding move)

    Oct 5th
    William Lagesson (already recalled)

    Oct 1st
    Sam Gagner (already recalled)

    Sept 26th
    Kailer Yamamoto (likely assigned earlier if not for injury)

    Sept 25th
    Evan Bouchard
    Shane Starrett

    Sept 20th
    Forwards: Malone, Currie, Gambardella, Benson, Hebig, Marody, Maksimov, McLeod, Peluso
    Defenders: Lowe, Jones, Samorukov
    Goalies: Wells (and Skinner assigned Sept 19th)

    I guess Cave will be back up if someone else is needed, then someone from the large group that was sent out before October 1st.

    —————————————————————————————

    The Haas recall gives the option of an “offensive” Jurco-Haas-Gagner bottom 6 line though I’d guess we see Jurco-Granlund-Gagner like at practice today.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:
    Somebody should tell Tyler Benson that zero goals is not going to get him to the NHL.

    HugThePost:
    I like Jurco and Gagner together to try milk some offence out of that line.

    I don’t get to watch any Condors games but for any that do, what is the consensus on Benson this year?Last year he seemed like a beast offensively but this year no goals?

    Not all that much different than last year, in particular the first half of last season.

    Benson was shooting at like 3% for a large part of last season – his goal production really picked up in the 2nd half of the year.

    7 games is a pretty small sample size.

  61. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Craig McTavish’s Best Move:

    Drafting Leon Draisaitl over Sam Bennett (who was ranked ahead on most, not all, lists).

    But when one has made so many bad ones, a good one is more likely luck than anything else.

    This was a guy who didn’t dress his two best goaltenders in Game 1 of the Stanley Cup final.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    blainer:
    I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Nurse moved up to play with Sheahan for a few shifts. Play Laags or Klef with Bear while the short experiment plays out.

    Sounds crazy I know but I wouldn’t put it past Nurse to pot a few palying up front !!

    If anything, would that not put emphasis on the weakest part of Nurse’s game?

  63. jp says:

    Ryan:
    OriginalPouzar:

    Chaser’s at 0.65 points per hour (5v5) on the second line at 92 minutes. That’s below fourth line replacement level.

    Nuge is off to a rough start at 0.83 but he has an established level of ability.

    Wonder if Chaser is killing the second line.

    OriginalPouzar: I think that second line has actually looked OK at evens and Chiassor has even made some decent plays but I do agree and its clear he is not a top 6 winger – it was clear for most of last season.

    I still think that Jurco is the best bet there on the current roster – he’s got the better skill-set for it.

    Jurco-Nuge-Neal at 5v5
    TOI 39:19
    CF% 56.16
    SF% 48.64
    GF% 75.0 (3-1)
    xGF$ 51.89 (1.23-1.14)
    PDO 1.114
    OZ% 73.1

    Chiasson-Nuge-Neal at 5v5
    TOI 51:40
    CF% 58.42
    SF% 59.18
    GF% 50.0 (2-2)
    xGF$ 63.18 (2.08-1.21)
    PDO 0.969
    OZ% 65.7

    Nuge had one assist while on ice with each of Chiasson and Jurco at 5v5.

    The answer I think is it’s too soon to tell. But I don’t see a lot of evidence that the line is worse with Chiasson there vs Jurco.

  64. Lowetide says:

    digger50: You are always kind and “disappointing” is a better word. Didn’t the injury come from blocking a shot last game?

    Injury always affects performance and of course if it is undisclosed you don’t get any empathy from fans. Or math.

    Archibald had an “illness” earlier in the month and now we have this news. Completely possible we have yet to see him at his best. Very small sample size so far.

  65. SwedishPoster says:

    godot10: Benson didn’t score many goals till the second half of the season last year.He was kind of light in goalscoring in junior too.He is a playmaker, but unless he begins getting a bit selfish, and beginning putting himself in a position to finish, rather than just setup, he will never be an NHL’er, because there will always be better playmakers.

    Nobody is going to pay Benson to be a playmaker.He better get that into his head soon.

    Yeah the playmaking winger is a tricky spot to make work in the NHL. A select few can but you need to be pretty damn elite. His vision will probably always be his main attribute but he’ll need a wider array of weapons to be useful in the NHL I think.

  66. Munny says:

    SwedishPoster,

    I was thinking the same thing after Godot’s post. He needs to be able to do some other things very well in order to clear a path through to the NHL.

  67. Munny says:

    godot10: Benson didn’t score many goals till the second half of the season last year.

    That’s right, thank you for the reminder… and agreed on the rest.

    It’s been my claim that due to injury, Benson essentially lost a full year of development… the waiver wire might not agree (in the long run), but I would give him more asphalt to see if he can turn that plane around and take off.

  68. godot10 says:

    Centres I would rather have than Auston Matthews: (early to mid twenties)

    1.
    2.
    3. Nathan McKinnon
    4. Alex Barkov
    5. Mark Schieffle
    6. Jack Eichel

    Matthews isn’t even the best American anymore, and he has already slipped to the 2nd hand of fingers.

  69. pts2pndr says:

    barry.moore23:
    A day late I know, but man that was a big win on Thursday.Getting to watch every game makes NHL Center Ice a steal at twice the price. Shhhhhh…..

    They pay far less in U.S. approx 160 for what I pay 240. I still find what we pay is a great deal in that it is less than a one ticket price for some seats in Edmonton and I get most years the full 82 plus Oiler games. I even get to not have to listen to Remenda most nights. I still miss seeing the games in person.

  70. Munny says:

    pts2pndr,

    I don’t know… I get all NFL games, WTA (Bianca!), Premiership + UEFA, and a bunch of other assorted stuff for $20 per month. I don’t consider either Center Ice or the AHL plan to be value deals.

  71. pts2pndr says:

    jp:
    Jurco-Nuge-Neal at 5v5
    TOI 39:19
    CF% 56.16
    SF% 48.64
    GF% 75.0 (3-1)
    xGF$ 51.89 (1.23-1.14)
    PDO 1.114
    OZ% 73.1

    Chiasson-Nuge-Neal at 5v5
    TOI 51:40
    CF% 58.42
    SF% 59.18
    GF% 50.0 (2-2)
    xGF$ 63.18 (2.08-1.21)
    PDO 0.969
    OZ% 65.7

    Nuge had one assist while on ice with each of Chiasson and Jurco at 5v5.

    The answer I think is it’s too soon to tell. But I don’t see a lot of evidence that the line is worse with Chiasson there vs Jurco.

    I think Jurco has more potential but Chiasson is a consummate professional.

  72. OilClog says:

    We’ve all seen Cave at his best, well those that look up to watch the actual game being played. He should never be an option for call up, midst well just wave the white flag at that point.

    If you head on over to puckiq and type in Colby Cave your hands dissappear and a piece of wood morphs out of whatever device you’re using and smacks you square in the kisser. To heal yourself look at Nuge and know that the points will come.

    Lennert Petrell wasn’t an NHL player in 7 years ago, Colby Cave isn’t an NHL player today. 7 years ago sheeesh Nuge is becoming a Grandfather before our eyes.

  73. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Darth Tu,

    – Congrats – you said new addition so not your first? I’m in sanfran at my wife’s family. She is a single child. We are here at her parents house: went from 2 to 8 (wife me out 3 kids and Nannie) while we are her. Her parents are over the moon!

    – we are celebrating our kids great grandmothers 90th. Life is full of twists and turns. Enjoy the sleepless nights. Our youngest is now 4 months old.

    – too bad the Oil aren’t in Cali on this trip!

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley: Cooper turns 23 in a few weeks.

    So far, he has 3 points in 7 games ( no goals ) on the Farm

    I’m not sure the Oilers would even consider him at 3C.

    I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
    P.K. specialist.

    It seems like, Cooper’s early demotion in training camp was a tell from the organization.

    I am a fan of him and I would easily be convinced to give him a shot over what we are
    currently icing for the bottom 6.

    McSorley: Cooper turns 23 in a few weeks.

    So far, he has 3 points in 7 games ( no goals ) on the Farm

    I’m not sure the Oilers would even consider him at 3C.

    I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
    P.K. specialist.

    It seems like, Cooper’s early demotion in training camp was a tell from the organization.

    I am a fan of him and I would easily be convinced to give him a shot over what we are
    currently icing for the bottom 6.

    I think the organization was disapointed that he didn’t improve his foot speed this past off-season as, from accounts, he was asked to work on it.

    I agree that the organization’s hope is for McLeod to be the 3C of the future – the key is the future as I believe we are quite a ways away from that point.

    I’ve actually been impressed with his play in the AHL so far as a rookie – his speed with that size is noticeable and he has been solid on the PK.

    At the same time, he does become a non-factor for large stretches of time, something that I think was an issue with him in junior (and is an issue with Lavoie).

    Over the last few weeks, he has played mainly wing – the team has asked him to work on his board work and “staying in the fight”.

    I personally don’t see him as an NHL option this year and likely not next October but potentially as a call-up if things go well.

    Here is hoping that he’s the full time 3C in the Bake by the end of this year and starts next year as a top 6C in the Bake.

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger: You are always kind and “disappointing” is a better word. Didn’t the injury come from blocking a shot last game?

    Injury always affects performance and of course if it is undisclosed you don’t get any empathy from fans. Or math.

    Obviously Archie’s lack of offensive production has been “disappointing” and he has made we “interesting” decisions with the puck.

    At the same time, I think he’s been one of the better of the “non-producers”, his speed is apparent out there and he’s decent on the forecheck and a surprisingly aggressive/physical player. His PK was tops on the team.

    A guy like P. Russell is really going to need to step up, both at 5 on 5 and 4 on 5 in his absence.

  76. Pescador says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Darth Tu,

    – Congrats – you said new addition so not your first?I’m in sanfran at my wife’s family. She is a single child. We are here at her parents house:went from 2 to 8 (wife me out 3 kids and Nannie) while we are her. Her parents are over the moon!

    – we are celebrating our kids great grandmothers 90th. Life is full of twists and turns. Enjoy the sleepless nights. Our youngest is now 4 months old.

    – too bad the Oil aren’t in Cali on this trip!

    Dammit, I shoulda married a girl whose parents live somewhere nice.

  77. pts2pndr says:

    Munny:
    pts2pndr,

    I don’t know… I get all NFL games, WTA (Bianca!), Premiership + UEFA, and a bunch of other assorted stuff for $20 per month.I don’t consider either Center Ice or the AHL plan to be value deals.

    My choice is Canucks and occasional Oilers games when they are on hockey night in Canada or centre ice so makes it a pretty easy choice.

  78. pts2pndr says:

    Pescador: Dammit, I shoulda married a girl whose parents live somewhere nice.

    The heart wants what the heart wants😇

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: But when one has made so many bad ones, a good one is more likely luck than anything else.

    This was a guy who didn’t dress his two best goaltenders in Game 1 of the Stanley Cup final.

    Conklin has the save save percentage as Jussi during the regular season and a much better GAA.

    I think the last statement is debatable.

  80. Munny says:

    pts2pndr,

    No doubt, I just wish CI and AHL would get their pricing more in line with the rest of the VOD market.

  81. jp says:

    OilClog:
    We’ve all seen Cave at his best, well those that look up to watch the actual game being played. He should never be an option for call up, midst well just wave the white flag at that point.

    If you head on over to puckiq and type in Colby Cave your hands dissappear and a piece of wood morphs out of whatever device you’re using and smacks you square in the kisser. To heal yourself look at Nuge and know that the points will come.

    Lennert Petrell wasn’t an NHL player in 7 years ago, Colby Cave isn’t an NHL player today. 7 years ago sheeesh Nuge is becoming a Grandfather before our eyes.

    Are you basing this on Cave’s not quite 17 minutes of TOI this year?

    If you look at last seasons numbers Cave was actually 57% DFF overall, best on the team. He had better numbers overall and vs elites than Nuge did. Cave’s underlying numbers last year were spectacular across the board.

    I agree he’ll likely never score enough to be an NHL regular but there are things to recommend him. And maybe he’ll make it work as a 4th liner.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    Jurco-Nuge-Neal at 5v5
    TOI 39:19
    CF% 56.16
    SF% 48.64
    GF% 75.0 (3-1)
    xGF$ 51.89 (1.23-1.14)
    PDO 1.114
    OZ% 73.1

    Chiasson-Nuge-Neal at 5v5
    TOI 51:40
    CF% 58.42
    SF% 59.18
    GF% 50.0 (2-2)
    xGF$ 63.18 (2.08-1.21)
    PDO 0.969
    OZ% 65.7

    Nuge had one assist while on ice with each of Chiasson and Jurco at 5v5.

    The answer I think is it’s too soon to tell. But I don’t see a lot of evidence that the line is worse with Chiasson there vs Jurco.

    How nice would it have been if Benson had a Bear-like “pop”?

  83. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Obviously Archie’s lack of offensive production has been “disappointing” and he has made we “interesting” decisions with the puck.

    At the same time, I think he’s been one of the better of the “non-producers”, his speed is apparent out there and he’s decent on the forecheck and a surprisingly aggressive/physical player. His PK was tops on the team.

    A guy like P. Russell is really going to need to step up, both at 5 on 5 and 4 on 5 in his absence.

    I still don’t know how Russell missed the open net with the Goalie pulled I think it was against the Red wings. Dave must really like and trust Russell to have him out there in the last minute of a 2-1 game. He’s also had a couple of other glorious scoring chances if he ever pots one I think his offensive confidence will skyrocket.

  84. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Conklin has the save save percentage as Jussi during the regular season and a much better GAA.

    I think the last statement is debatable.

    I find it hard to second guess a Coach who pulled off 3 series upsets and pulled the little engine team to the Stanley Cup Finals.

  85. Pescador says:

    pts2pndr: The heart wants what the heart wants

    This heart wants some warm weather & a free vacation whilst visiting the inlaws

  86. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Pescador: Dammit, I shoulda married a girl whose parents live somewhere nice.

    – every time I come here : I be like why don’t I live here? Sanfran is perfect small big town IMO.

  87. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: Archibald

    Nutty that he hid a fractured bone injury and played on it for 2 more games.

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Darth Tu:
    I’ve been a bit out of it this week so was doing my best to catch up on all the chat from this week last night.My wife was induced a few weeks early so we now have a new family member to deal with – born the night that the Oilers lost to the Wild (kind of glad that I had something infinitely better to distract myself with that evening).The baby is still hospital but everything seems to be heading in the right direction, hopefully get her home in the next week.

    On the Oilers, that’s a bit of a bummer about Archibald, he’s not been producing anything scoring wise, but was (at least to my eye) doing a reasonable job on the PK.I’d get Jurco back in the lineup and lean towards recalling Cave so that Granlund can move back over to the wing.

    What are the waiver rules again? If he comes back up to the NHL, plays less than 10 games, and is sent back before 30 days have passed (from the 13th of October or whenever it is that he previously cleared waivers) he doesn’t have to be exposed again? I’m guessing it’s him that comes back up. Haas needs to keep developing in the AHL for a bit, and Marody/Benson/Yamo shouldn’t even be mentioned until January.

    Jethro – well done to England.

    Congrats to you!!

  89. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Nutty that he hid a fractured bone injury and played on it for 2 more games.

    Archibald is definitely a throwback player.

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny:
    Can Marody improve his skating enough to become a Kyle Brodziak?

    I’m cheering for it… Brodziaks are useful players.

    But I wish he had the same passion for skating as he does song writing.

    Except he has the trifecta of things that makes it hard for tweeners to make the league at all – average skater, smallish, not an elite scorer.

    Icing on the cake is not a physical player either. McLeod has a far better chance to me. Even though less productive so far, as a role player at least, which Marody seems to be heading for.

  91. Munny says:

    Gaudreau and Monahan split onto two separate lines for tonight’s game.

    I have this curious feeing like I’ve read this story before and know how it ends…

  92. pts2pndr says:

    Munny:
    pts2pndr,

    No doubt, I just wish CI and AHL would get their pricing more inline with the rest of the VOD market.

    Agree

  93. Scungilli Slushy says:

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  94. pts2pndr says:

    Pescador: This heart wants some warm weather & a free vacation whilst visiting the inlaws

    It was amazing how many family visits we had while living in Hawaii. Absolutely great. I have always told my friends that rather than chase your kids retire in a place everyone likes to visit. The Okanagan has worked quite well!

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Listening to Coach T and Persson “is getting close but needs a few more practices” – won’t be in tomorrow but possibly the following game.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    We’ve all seen Cave at his best, well those that look up to watch the actual game being played. He should never be an option for call up, midst well just wave the white flag at that point.

    If you head on over to puckiq and type in Colby Cave your hands dissappear and a piece of wood morphs out of whatever device you’re using and smacks you square in the kisser. To heal yourself look at Nuge and know that the points will come.

    Lennert Petrell wasn’t an NHL player in 7 years ago, Colby Cave isn’t an NHL player today. 7 years ago sheeesh Nuge is becoming a Grandfather before our eyes.

    I don’t disagree on Cave and I do agree that he’s really not an NHL player.

    My concern with Archie out and Haas brought up is the PK and that is the only reason I would have wanted Cave up. Haas has played one second on the PK this year and Cave about about 1:20 per game.

    I guess they’ll lean on extra PK bats up the lineup for the likes of Russell but it likely increases the minutes of Drai, not idea.

  97. yeraslob says:

    Munny:
    Gaudreau and Monahan split onto two separate lines for tonight’s game.

    I have this curious feeing like I’ve read this story before and know how it ends…

    I haven’t read that story. How does it end?

  98. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Question to the stats users here – at the NHL site what does ‘Wins 2 goal game’ literally mean’?

    I assume a win by 2 goals, but I can’t find any clarification on the inter webs.

    I appreciate any help!

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Munny: By settling for basically nothing in return from a franchise in desperate need of a defenseman.

    According to WG’s sources—which may or may not have been his phone—Oilers tried to KRusty over the summer but were thwarted by his NT List.

    I appreciate KRusty for his honest game, but remain glad they tried that, given the options in house.

  100. Munny says:

    yeraslob: I haven’t read that story.How does it end?

    After many trials and tribulations, some dwarf intervention, the acquisition of a rotten apple and a long deep sleep… the two mates are reunited at the story’s end to the cheers of the common folk.

  101. Professor Q says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Question to the stats users here – at the NHL site what does ‘Wins 2 goal game’ literally mean’?

    I assume a win by 2 goals, but I can’t find any clarification on the inter webs.

    I appreciate any help!

    Or perhaps it could be a shootout victory in a 1-1 game (2 goals having been scored)?

    Even though the “goal” counts for the team but no individual player.

  102. Professor Q says:

    I really like some of the new helmets in the CFL this year.

    Double E for Edmonton, Argo for Toronto, cool colour scheme and Alouette Silhouette for Montréal, and classic look for the Lions (although I liked the Clemson-esque paw print and the swiped lion).

  103. Harpers Hair says:

    Pescador: This heart wants some warm weather & a free vacation whilst visiting the inlaws

    The roses are still blooming on Vancouver Island but my wife and children are taken you would find me to be a curmudgeonly relative.

  104. fishman says:

    Harpers Hair: The roses are still blooming on Vancouver Island but my wife and children are taken you would find me to be a curmudgeonly relative.

    TOTALLY believe that!

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie held off the scoresheet in a 4-1 loss – like Jesse earlier today, a rare occurrence.

    He did have another 7 shots on net.

    Rodrigue stops 23 of 25 in a 4-2 win.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner starts tonight.

    No Joe G for some reason (in addition to Haas). Vesey in.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland spoke with Ryan Holt today and it’ll be aired in the first intermission of the Condors’ game in about 45 min.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto and Malone go in on a quick strike 2 on 1 – very nice set up by Kailer to Malone but he misses the tap in goal. Puck may not have been sitting flat for him.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Really good forecheck shift for the Benson/Marody/Currie line – Currie works the puck back to Sammy at the point – pressure is on Sammy but he does a good job to get the puck on net – traffic in front and Marody puts home the rebound.

    Benson won’t get a point but he took out the Heat d-man in front opening room for Cooper.

  110. jojonoshow says:

    https://www.iheart.com/live/fox-sports-970-4273/?autoplay=true&pname=15400&campid=header&cid=index.html

    Ken Holland is supposed to speak in the intermission of the condors game. You can listen here.

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Professor Q: Or perhaps it could be a shootout victory in a 1-1 game (2 goals having been scored)?

    Even though the “goal” counts for the team but no individual player.

    The NHL has on the team page choosing the Team Goal-Game report, the stat mentioned. No explanation that is specific I can find.

    2 goal game can mean a lot of things. 1 – 3 also etc.

  112. geowal says:

    Friendly reminder, it’s a day game tomorrow, 2pm start!

  113. hunter1909 says:

    Mmmmkay so …

    We’ve already acertained Oilers will be putting their sparkling line ups out until that time when:

    McDavid/Draisaitl

    Seriously: What NHL team has anyone like these geniuses??

  114. hunter1909 says:

    yeraslob: I haven’t read that story.How does it end?

    Something horrible that happens to NHL teams relying on small forwards to “Get the Job Done” lol

  115. hunter1909 says:

    geowal:
    Friendly reminder, it’s a day game tomorrow, 2pm start!

    PLEASE!!!!!

    NERD ALERT!!!!!!!!!

    WEBSITE DESIGNERS SEND US YOUR RESUME!! TO: Hunter2909@safe-mail.net

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marody walk out from the half boards to the tops of the circles and rips home a wrist shot on a 5 on 3.

    His 2nd of the night ties it up at 2.

    Assists to Yamamoto and Bouchard.

  117. Todd Macallan says:

    Obvious high stick missed by refs in outdoor game, even after review. Tkachuk sure gets away with all sorts of calls doesn’t he

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Marody walk out from the half boards to the tops of the circles and rips home a wrist shot on a 5 on 3.

    His 2nd of the night ties it up at 2.

    Assists to Yamamoto and Bouchard.

    Why don’t you report when the opposition is leading 4-2?
    Asking for a friend.

  119. treevojo says:

    Harpers Hair: Why don’t you report when the opposition is leading 4-2?
    Asking for a friend.

    Probably same reason you ghosted last night.

  120. Halfwise says:

    Harpers Hair: Why don’t you report when the opposition is leading 4-2?
    Asking for a friend.

    You have a friend?

  121. Harpers Hair says:

    Halfwise: You have a friend?

    treevojo: Probably same reason you ghosted last night.

    I didn’t know attendance every night was a command performance.
    I’ll try and do better.

  122. Reja says:

    Of course the two Flame suck holes Burke and Hrudey agree with the on ice call when it was obvious high stick. I hope the jets hammer them in the third you know they’re pissed off after that terrible call that even had Tkachuk smirking.

  123. treevojo says:

    Harpers Hair:
    I didn’t know attendance every night was a command performance.
    I’ll try and do better.

    I may be in the minority.

    But won’t hurt my feelings one bit.

  124. jp says:

    pts2pndr: I think Jurco has more potential but Chiasson is a consummate professional.

    Both of those things may be true. I’m not sure either guy is the answer for the 2nd line but hopefully Tippett can find something that works (to be fair, both Jurco and Chiasson have “worked’ just fine in their limited minutes so far).

  125. yeraslob says:

    hunter1909: Something horrible that happens to NHL teams relying on small forwards to “Get the Job Done” lol

    Ah. Like a disappearing hobbit come playoff time.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Why don’t you report when the opposition is leading 4-2?
    Asking for a friend.

    My apologies, next time I’m driving my wife to a party, I’ll be sure to pull over, check in on the Condors’ game and update the blog – just to make sure I’m being honest….

  127. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: How nice would it have been if Benson had a Bear-like “pop”?

    Yeah that would have been pretty special. And still time for him to make an impact as well obviously.

  128. geowal says:

    Finally, the Flames blow a lead late and lose in OT

  129. Material Elvis says:

    geowal:
    Finally, the Flames blow a lead late and lose in OT

    They panned the crowd and there was an Oilers fan jumping with a group of Jets fans when the goal went in. Awesome.

    Kyle Connor made a great play on the winning goal — he’s slick.

  130. Reja says:

    geowal:
    Finally, the Flames blow a lead late and lose in OT

    Wait till the black cloud fully settle’s in for the winter.

  131. flea says:

    Material Elvis: They panned the crowd and there was an Oilers fan jumping with a group of Jets fans when the goal went in.Awesome.

    Kyle Connor made a great play on the winning goal — he’s slick.

    Overall, pretty cool Heritage Classic. I don’t remember another outdoor game happening during the night. Was this the first one?

    Made the CF-18 flyby less than dramatic but Mosaic Stadium was a great venue. Kudos to the NHL for giving Saskatchewan a game after they’ve provided the league so many great players.

    Gotta think the Oil are up for the next Heritage Classic.

  132. drglen says:

    McSorley33: Cooper turns 23 in a few weeks.

    So far, he has 3 points in 7 games ( no goals ) on the Farm

    I’m not sure the Oilers would even consider him at 3C.

    I suspect -could be wrong- they have McLeod penciled in as the future 3C –
    P.K. specialist.

    It seems like, Cooper’s early demotion in training camp was a tell from the organization.

    I am a fan of him and I would easily be convinced to give him a shot over what we are
    currently icing for the bottom 6.

    My feeling also is that Marody is not considered NHL caliber by the Org. I think it’s his size but they just won’t say that. They’ll bundle him in a trade.

  133. drglen says:

    The bad thing about these injuries is that it keeps Khaira in the lineup, and he’s the one that should watch for a while. Maybe they like his reach on the PK though..

    Jurco probably deserves to draw back in and Gagner and Jurco together might actually do something. I also noticed last game that Gagner group got a bit of 2nd unit powerplay time.

    I don’t see Yamo or Benson getting called up unless there is a long term injury to Chaisson, who is your defacto plug and play right wing. … on that… there were some shifts last game where Ganger was up with Neal and Nuge and looked good… Jurco can draw up also. Tipp is running a 2 line game with the third line fluid… Khaira Sheehan at this point just bench warmers and PKs.. .. which is OK. team still winning games.

    I admit I’m not watching Condors games so I don’t know… .. is there a big difference between last years yamo and this years? I think it’s far more likely Yamo , like Marody, is part of a trade bundle that to ever play with oil this year. Edit, An injury to James Neal might also get Yamo up here.

    Benson, is a different beast. I legitimately feel Benson could play 2nd line in the NHL and like Bear he should have the opportunity to feel that heat in the NHL to grow. Benson will be the call up but only with an injury or team fading or injury to Chaisson.

    Nice to give some space and nods to the farm LT, .. but I don’t see those guys getting called up. Not even sure why Haas is called up……..? If it’s just a warm body in the stands , like Lagesson, then ya you should go with Gambardello, even Malone.

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