Bruce Springsteen’s Ramrod

In yesterday’s GDT I wrote “the key to making playoffs is to shorten those losing streaks and lengthen the good times. Even a Bettman point tonight would help the Oilers edge closer to the goal” and they grabbed a Bettman plus a hard earned extra counter to stay atop the Pacific Division. And maybe this Oilers team earned a little of your faith along the way.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 4 reasons why the Oilers passed their first true test of the season
  • Lowetide: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and James Neal are leading a quality Oilers second line
  • Lowetide: Assessing the early season progress of Oilers’ defence and goaltending
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s impressive Liiga performance headlines Oilers prospects this week
  • Lowetide:  Oilers recall Sam Gagner to bolster offensive depth, option Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: There are many similarities between this year’s Oilers team after seven and the 2016-17 team that made the playoffs. Similarities, differences and the work that needs to be done.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: That was pretty sick’: What teammates and opponents are saying about Connor McDavid’s latest goal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I’m gonna bring a bigger bag with me’: Oilers rookies learn about life on the road in the NHL
  • Jonathan Willis: A deep dive on the Oilers’ bottom six, which needs to produce more offence
  • Lowetide: Ethan Bear’s early success with the Oilers and what it might mean at the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: How well are the solutions to key Oilers weaknesses working?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Oscar Klefbom playing tough minutes with inexperienced partners — and looking good doing it
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 2015: 4-7-0, eight points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in October 2016: 7-3-1, 15 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in October 2017: 3-7-1, seven points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in October 2018: 6-4-1, 13 points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in October 2019: 8-2-1, 17 points, goal differential +8

This is, statistically, the best Oilers team of the McDavid era this morning. On pace for a strong 100+ point season and several career seasons.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • At home to: Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) Actual (3-1-0)
  • At home to: Philadelphia, Detroit (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg, Minnesota (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • At home to: Washington, Florida (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • On the road to: Detroit, Columbus (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 8-2-1, 17 points after 11 games

The Oilers had some dull moments in the Winnipeg game, were dull as dishwater in Minnesota, and took a little time to find the range in this game. I read and heard a lot of hyperbole this week about this Oilers team and its ability to post a win. Last night’s performance versus the Capitals was impressive. All numbers five-on-five and NST.

LINE 1 Leon Draisaitl-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 20:10, going 29-18 Corsi, 18-10 shots, 2-0 goals and 9-3 HDSC. An absolute force of nature, especially in the third period.

Leon Draisaitl went 1-1-2 (2-1-3 overall) and delivered four shots, three HDSC, drew a penalty. Connor McDavid scored 0-1-1 (1-2-3 overall), 3 shots and HDSC, plus 15-6 in the circle. He was airborne for most of the third period. Zack Kassian had a pair of assists, three shots and three HDSC. Folks, this trio has 47 points in 11 games.

LINE 2 Alex Chiasson-Nuge-James Neal played 11:04, going 18-12 Corsi, 7-7 shots, 0-2 goals and 3-1 HDSC. Unlucky to have missed on scoring as a line.

Alex Chiasson had a solid game, some good looks and passed the puck well. Grabbed an assist with the extra man, had his best game of the year. Nuge had two shots and some promising looks but couldn’t cash. James Neal had an assist (extra man), two shots and a HDSC. The line played better than the 0-2 goals suggests.

LINE 3 Jujhar Khaira-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 4:52, going 2-3 Corsi, 2-2 shots and no goals or any danger.

Jujhar Khaira was charged with two giveaways, Riley Sheahan won one of four faceoffs, Josh Archibald had a shot and a blocked shot. All three men PK’d, Archibald was MIA on the Ovechkin power-play goal.

LINE 4 Sam Gagner-Markus Granlund-Patrick Russell played 4:21, going 5-2 Corsi 3-0 shots and 2-0 HDSC.

Sam Gagner was a solid addition to this line and gave it an offensive boost. No goals, but three shots and plenty of offensive zone time. Two HDSC’s, created a rebound and some havoc. Markus Granlund took a penalty, and didn’t play a shift on Benning’s penalty. Strange. Does a coach take a PK man out of the rotation in the game before he healthy scratches said player? Maybe it’s a message about PKers taking penalties. Patrick Russell didn’t have much success.

OILERS 2019-20

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 19:16, going 24-21 Corsi, 16-8 shots, 1-2 goals and 8-1 HDSC. Pairing went 13-14 (1-1) in 10:55 against Alex Ovchkin’s line.

Darnell Nurse had a goal, four shots and several chances, along with a giveaway. He joins the rush a lot. Ethan Bear made possibly six supreme passes and was unlucky to miss out on an assist. Two shots, giveaway, blocked shot. He joins the rush less than Nurse.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Kris Russell played 10:57, going 12-9 Corsi, 5-6 shots, no goals and 1-3 HDSC. Klefbom played 6:43 with Matt Benning, going 7-4 Corsi, 3-2 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-0 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom had three shots and a giveaway, he logged almost 26 minutes and went 4-7 Corsi in 6:07 against Ovechkin. Kris Russell had a good night save that moment when he and others forgot Ovechkin during the power play.

PAIRING THREE Brandon Manning and Matt Benning played 6:33 together, going 10-2 Corsi, 6-0 shots, no goals and 3-0 HDSC. Benning moved up to the Klefbom pairing for a time and was effective. In that time, Manning played 2:28 with Russell, going 3-3 Corsi, 1-3 shots and 2-0 HDSC.

Brandon Manning had two shots and has now played five games this season. He has played well. Matt Benning is a fine NHL defenseman, he got a little push from Dave Tippett last night. Perhaps we’ll see it again.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen stopped 25 of 28, .893. It wasn’t his best game but he stopped all three HDSC against him. Zero blame on either Ovechkin goal, his .927 SP ranks him No. 8 among goalies with five or more appearances. His EV SP (.941) ranks him No. 4 among goalies with five or more appearances.

What’s happening at five on five?

One of the things we are doing this season is drilling down on McDavid on/off, and as things are rolling out what’s happening with Nuge on/off. Here are Edmonton’s centers and their GF/GA on at five-on-five. I have done my best to clean up the bleeding, Edmonton’s actual differential is 20-19 GF-GA at five-on-five.

  1. Connor McDavid 13-6 (+7)
  2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 6-4 (+2)
  3. Riley Sheahan 0-5 (-5)
  4. Markus Granlund 0-1 (-1)
  5. Gaetan Haas 1-2 (-1)
  6. Colby Cave 0-2 (-2)

Granlund didn’t play center until a few games in, so I’m using only the last several games. Low event. The Sheahan line is the major drag, I think we can agree he’s playing too far up in the lineup and his wingers haven’t been up to the challenge. Among the disappointments of this season, both Jujhar Khaira and Josh Archibald are high on the list.

ETHAN BEAR

The young defenseman leads all NHL rookies in time on ice and is opening eyes with his calm feet and expert passing. Music!

RAMROD

Connor McDavid is the human highlight, and last night, third period, every shift seemed to be hammer on a drum. I’ve been watching hockey since the 1960’s, and McDavid is shock and awe on skates. There are no words to describe him, just make sure you don’t get caught slack-jawed because it makes a poor photo.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Friday morning as tear up the blacktop on the way to the weekend. TSN1260, beginning at 10, Steve Lansky will talk Oilers and the World Series. Jeff Krushell will also pop in to talk about the World Series and Matt Iwanyk will chat Oilers, Eskimos and his new role as judge and jury on the Hot Takes court. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. 90 minutes!

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  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    which Oilers Forwards have 5×5 Goals?and how many?I see lots of donuts on the board.RNH got his on the PP. Neal has 6 on the PP.

    Yup, 5 on 5 goal scoring by the forwards other than a handful has been, and is, a major issue.

    At the same time, the team is tied for first in the NHL.

    Imagine how many standings points will be accumulated once some of the “lesser forwards” start to bang in a few.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp: Aren’t the Oilers a 100 point team even with the current bottom 6 if you project the top 6 and special teams GF% forward?

    Not quite imo.

    4v5 SV% will drop, 5v4 SH% will drop.

    I discounted those but “projected” them to both be “good”

    I get what you’re pitching but I wasn’t clear on my thoughts.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    Some may consider a lucky rectal horseshoe with pointy ears to be “unaesthetic”, whereas others willingly embrace all things in love and war—and whatever floats your boat.

    The heart wants what it wants.

  4. Jethro Tull says:

    PennersPancakes: Whats the actual point you’re trying to make right now?

    RTFT.

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    duct tape and foil,

    I was mocked mercilessly last year for suggesting Kass was a legit top line complimentary winger. I’ll take my smug grin right now and move on. He really is the perfect fit. Fast, big, decent passer, goes to the net. Plus he has that unpredictable crazy streak that keeps team honest in a way that is much more effective than hulking slow goons like Looch. I like both Kass and Neal at RW right now.

    I’ve defended Kassian here and wasn’t mocked, nor do I remember any mocking anyone about Kassian.

    Do you have some links to where you were mocked mercilessly?

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    until this changes ….

    “Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 14-6 (70%)
    McDavid Off Ice 8-13 (38%)”

    I cannot buy in. Happy Edm is in 1st for sure, but I can’t see this working for 82 games ….

    I can’t see that working for 82 games either, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying what the overall team has accomplished so far.

    Honest question, have you been able to enjoy the team’s current success so far?

    Are you able to acknowledge that the success has created a hell of a buffer so that a 5-6 game slide doesn’t crater the season.

    Are you able to realize that, ya, maybe some current reasons for success may regress but, at the same time, perhaps the bottom 8 will start to bang in a couple.

    Many of the “unsustainable” reasons for winning early have regressed but they are still 1st in the league:

    – Neal is off a 45% shooting percentage heater and is simply playing like a top 6 forward that chips in

    – the PP is no longer producing at ridiculous rates and is in a bit of slump

    – McDavid didn’t carry the team for 3 straight games – team still manged 3 out of 6 points (with 2 road games)

    – the PK is down to earth a bit

    – the goalies – well, you know what, this is not that unsustainable

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OilClog:
    The return aim for Jesse needs to be alot higher then 3C, trading him for a Ryan Strome like replacement is nauseating.

    All teams have offered are former 1st round picks who are meh in the AHL.

    As per Friedman on Stauffer’s show the best offers were TBY offering Volvov and STL offering Kostin.

    Neither move needle much at all let alone as much Actual NHL 3C.

    Getting an Actual NHL 3C would be a win given the situation imo.

  8. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Vancouver has a shot share of 49.28%. Edmonton’s is 49.19%.

    The Canuck’s xGF% is 26th in the league. The Oilers are bad but not that bad at 22nd.

    The Oilers PP was top 10 last year too, they have 2 of the top 4 scorers in the league after all (2 years in a row).

    Vancouver’s PDO is .003 behind the Oilers.

    Hughes has been good but he’s had some of the easiest zone starts in the league (over 70%).

    I’m not seeing a reasonable argument that the Oilers should regress more than the Canucks.

    Not sure where you’re getting those numbers.
    VCR is averaging 32.1 shots /GP and giving up 31.6
    EDM is averaging 28.1 shots/Gp and giving up 30.7.
    The Oilers PP last season was indeed top10 last season at 21.2%…lots or room for regression.
    Noteworthy, the Canucks have revamped their PP by replacing Edler with Hughes on the first unit.
    Clicking at 40% since.

  9. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    duct tape and foil,

    I was mocked mercilessly last year for suggesting Kass was a legit top line complimentary winger. I’ll take my smug grin right now and move on. He really is the perfect fit. Fast, big, decent passer, goes to the net. Plus he has that unpredictable crazy streak that keeps team honest in a way that is much more effective than hulking slow goons like Looch. I like both Kass and Neal at RW right now.

    I’ve defended Kassian here and wasn’t mocked, nor do I remember any mocking anyone about Kassian.

    Do you have some links to where you were mocked mercilessly?

    It was a poster named Ming, so it’s implied.

  10. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Not quite imo.

    4v5 SV% will drop, 5v4 SH% will drop.

    I discounted those but “projected” them to both be “good”

    I get what you’re pitching but I wasn’t clear on my thoughts.

    Yes, good but not THAT good for the special teams is definitely fair.

    I was being a bit difficult holding you to your exact wording too.

    So how much can the bottom 6 regress towards useful? Some for sure, but quite likely not enough.

  11. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    vinotintazo:
    LadiesloveSmid,

    If we make the playoffs I think he will take less than that.

    His wife is from Red Deer.

    Wives make a lot of decisions and like to have family close when they start a family…..

  12. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Not sure where you’re getting those numbers.
    VCR is averaging 32.1 shots /GP and giving up 31.6
    EDM is averaging 28.1 shots/Gp and giving up 30.7.
    The Oilers PP last season was indeed top10 last season at 21.2%…lots or room for regression.
    Noteworthy, the Canucks have revamped their PP by replacing Edler with Hughes on the first unit.
    Clicking at 40% since.

    Natural stat trick. You said you were using 5v5 shot share. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/teamtable.php

    Yup, the Oilers PP won’t stay over 30%. I guess the Canucks at 40% will head the same direction.
    Are you using one game of data for that PP number by the way? 2 for 5 against the 6th worst PK in the league is a revamped PP?

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: But Carolina beat Edmonton in 2006.

    Which means Edmonton will right that wrong in 2020 by being the next flawed team to win a cup.

    Stanley Cup confirmed!

    I can’t argue with that logic.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp: Yes, good but not THAT good for the special teams is definitely fair.

    I was being a bit difficult holding you to your exact wording too.

    So how much can the bottom 6 regress towards useful? Some for sure, but quite likely not enough.

    If McDavid stays near 65% (lordy) and Nuge near 52% they can live with ~40% on the bottom six but that’s a few area codes from where they are now.

    I haven’t looked at each of the bottom 6 and figured out who on their lines last few years drove CF% and GF% so I don’t know where they can regress to.

    My gut says “not enough” like yours.

  15. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Josh Archibald’s injury and limited replacements available puts some pressure on Oilers

    https://theathletic.com/1324888/2019/10/25/lowetide-josh-archibalds-injury-and-limited-replacements-available-puts-some-pressure-on-oilers/

  16. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Natural stat trick. You said you were using 5v5 shot share. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/teamtable.php

    Yup, the Oilers PP won’t stay over 30%. I guess the Canucks at 40% will head the same direction.
    Are you using one game of data for that PP number by the way? 2 for 5 against the 6th worst PK in the league is a revamped PP?

    Of course it won’t stay at 40% but the change was dynamic.
    It’s currently at 21.1 and I expect that will rise while the Oilers drops.
    Not to mention James Neil will come back to earth.
    I don’t see anything unsustainable about the Canucks’s start other than ease of schedule.
    The Oilers have had a similar easy schedule but there are red flags on the PP, Neil and Draisaitl shooting percentages and a lack of secondary scoring.

  17. Bank Shot says:

    Harpers Hair: Of course it won’t stay at 40% but the change was dynamic.
    It’s currently at 21.1 and I expect that will rise while the Oilers drops.
    Not to mention James Neil will come back to earth.
    I don’t see anything unsustainable about the Canucks’s start other than ease of schedule.
    The Oilers have had a similar easy schedule but there are red flags on the PP, Neil and Draisaitl shooting percentages and a lack of secondary scoring.

    |Boooorrinnng…

    We know the Canucks will be terrible and the Oilers will be better.

    Seek validation elsewhere.

  18. Nit64 says:

    Bettman 500 Leaderboard as of 10/24
    (Games Above Bettman .500)

    +3 Edmonton, Colorado
    +1.5 Vegas, Nashville, St Louis, Vancouver
    +1 Arizona
    +0.5 Calgary, Anaheim
    -0.5  Winnipeg,  San Jose
    -1  Los Angeles, Chicago
    -1.5  Dallas
    -2  Minnesota

  19. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Of course it won’t stay at 40% but the change was dynamic.
    It’s currently at 21.1 and I expect that will rise while the Oilers drops.
    Not to mention James Neil will come back to earth.
    I don’t see anything unsustainable about the Canucks’s start other than ease of schedule.
    The Oilers have had a similar easy schedule but there are red flags on the PP, Neil and Draisaitl shooting percentages and a lack of secondary scoring.

    The teams 5v5 shot shares are essentially identical and the Oilers have the better xGF% thus far.

    The teams overall PDOs are virtually the same. No Canucks have a high shooting %?

    But you’re free to believe whatever you want to believe.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland is in Cali taking in the two Condors games this weekend.

    This was the plan before the Archie injury but they play tonight and tomorrow, prior to the game on Sunday.

    Big weekend for the likes of Currie and Joe G. and maybe even Marody or Benson.

    Don’t see Yamamoto being recalled yet

    The plan was for 6-7 games for Haas and, if they thought he needed that a few days ago, I would think they stick to the plan.

    Kurt Leavins suggested McLeod and I think that’s about 400 or so days premature.

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: The teams 5v5 shot shares are essentially identical and the Oilers have the better xGF% thus far.

    The teams overall PDOs are virtually the same. No Canucks have a high shooting %?

    But you’re free to believe whatever you want to believe.

    Bo Horvat has the highest shooting % at 17.2% after scoring three last game.
    James Neal is still above 28% and is being zoomed by the unsustainable PP%.
    It’s a thing.

  22. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    You can discuss the Canucks on your own blog
    I’m sure all your followers are dying for a post

  23. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Bo Horvat has the highest shooting % at 17.2% after scoring three last game.
    James Neal is still above 28%and is being zoomed by the unsustainable PP%.
    It’s a thing.

    Ah. You’re probably right then.

  24. Munny says:

    Cave is the most likely call-up, I’d say.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Probably Haas due to the chance he’d bolt back to Switzerland if stuck in the AHL all year.

    The organization (i believe it was Tip, maybe Holland) that the plan is 6-7 games for adjustment.

    I’m not sure this changes the plan – it may, however, if they thought the player could use 6-7 games in the Bake, I think they can stick to the plan – there are other options (not Yamamoto).

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: I think they will leave Nuge unsigned and unprotected for the expansion draft,and then sign him once the draft has been completed. I don’t think anybody protected any pending UFA’s at the Vegas draft. IncludingJoe Thornton.

    Vegas would only have selected a pending UFA if a contract had already been agreed to – I believe a window was open for Vegas to chat with pending UFAs prior to the draft.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    vinotintazo:
    ArmchairGM,

    I would Sign Nuge asap to an extension, it will prob cost 6-7M to keep him.

    Can’t do it until July and I don’t think he’ll sign for that low an AAV a year in advance of becoming a UFA

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    vinotintazo: This is why I extend him next Jan, instead of waiting for UFA where he’s going to have 31 teams calling.

    I think the point was that, you can try extending him come July 1, 2020 at $6M-$7M but there doesn’t seem to be a reasonable chance of him signing that.

  29. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    So you have a problem signing Hall for 9 per but you would sign Nuge for 7 per?

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie with a couple second period assists as Halifax ties it up 2-2 with Moncton going in to the 3rd.

    Rodrigue not playing tonight.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    Graham McPhee with a goal for Boston College – I think he’s playing 2RW tonight, or at least started the game there.

  32. McNuge93 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I can’t see that working for 82 games either,but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying what the overall team has accomplished so far.

    Honest question, have you been able to enjoy the team’s current success so far?

    Are you able to acknowledge that the success has created a hell of a buffer so that a 5-6 game slide doesn’t crater the season.

    Are you able to realize that, ya, maybe some current reasons for success may regress but, at the same time, perhaps the bottom 8 will start to bang in a couple.

    Many of the “unsustainable” reasons for winning early have regressed but they are still 1st in the league:

    – Neal is off a 45% shooting percentage heater and is simply playing like a top 6 forward that chips in

    – the PP is no longer producing at ridiculous rates and is in a bit of slump

    – McDavid didn’t carry the team for 3 straight games – team still manged 3 out of 6 points (with 2 road games)

    – the PK is down to earth a bit

    – the goalies – well, you know what, this is not that unsustainable

    Well I’m still committed to not getting overly optimistic but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying this.
    If thePP, PK, defence and goaltending holds up maybe we can stay in the playoff race. I don’t think the bottom 6 is solved until next summer.

    We had some good runs last year; early under McLelland and when Hitch first took over but eventually tanked. Hopefully it’s more sustainable this year.

  33. Harpers Hair says:

    Nit64:
    Bettman 500 Leaderboard as of 10/24
    (Games Above Bettman .500)

    +3Edmonton, Colorado
    +1.5Vegas, Nashville, St Louis, Vancouver
    +1Arizona
    +0.5Calgary, Anaheim
    -0.5 Winnipeg, San Jose
    -1 Los Angeles, Chicago
    -1.5 Dallas
    -2 Minnesota
    Colorado, Vancouver and Arizona all have two games in hand.
    Colorado just beat Vegas 6-1.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    The regression being posited as reasons for the Oilers pending demise has already begun, a good 4-5 games ago:

    – James Neal has come off his heater and is now producing at reasonably expected rates

    – The PP is actually slumping right now, actually hurting the team in the last 4 games

    – The PK is no longer unsustainably efficient but has come down to sustainable level

    – McDavid and Drai even had 3 poor offensive games in the last 5.

    The team still managed to put up a decent level of points in the standings during the stretch and that is without the bottom 6-7 regressing up (which will happen) and with their two season starting top RD injured.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Bo Horvat has the highest shooting % at 17.2% after scoring three last game.
    James Neal is still above 28%and is being zoomed by the unsustainable PP%.
    It’s a thing.

    In the last 5 games, James Neal’s shooting percentage was 9.1% and the PP was much more normal – the Oilers went 3-1-1 including a stretch where McDavid had no points in 11 straight periods.

    In the last 4 games, James Neal’s shooting percentage was 11% and the PP was bad. McDavid went 11 out of 12 periods with zero points. Oilers went 2-1-1.

    Seems regression in the noted matters has set in but yet team success continues.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Cave is the most likely call-up, I’d say.

    I totally forgot about Cave and, yes, you are absolutely right.

    I’m cool with that too as it’ll likely ensure McLeod plays center (he was at LW with Cave for 3 games, back to the middle last game though).

  37. Bulging Twine says:

    LT, I was very impressed with the comeback win last night and the overall season record. I want to celebrate. I was thinking I might splurge on another ceramic elephant. That would make two this year. Do you think this is reasonable or am I getting too carried away?

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    So you have a problem signing Hall for 9 per but you would sign Nuge for 7 per?

    At no point did I state that I’d be OK signing Nuge at $7M.

    With that said, yes, subject to team set-up come spring 2021, I would be willing to re-sign Nuge for term at $7M (assuming 65 plus points per season and health).

    I would be willing to sign Nurse for $9M but not for more term than 5 years.

    For one, Nuge will be a year younger than Hall when their contracts kick in (well not a full year but essentially).

    For two, even taking away history, I believe Nuge’s style of game leads to a longer prime and less regression – 2-way play is a important part of his game and that type of game often peak in late 20s, early 30s and peaks for longer than offence.

    For three, as I’ve stated, Hall when healthy and playing is an amazing player and well worth $9M but there is such a high risk of of him not playing enough games consistently to be with that type of contract. Due to health, he wouldn’t have been worth that contract over his 24-28 year and I don’t see him playing more games during his 29-36 years.

  39. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Glad you enjoy it!!

    We’re launching WoodWOWYs for the 17/18, 18/19 soon, maybe this weekend.

    Can’t wait!!

    This is awesome by the way!

  40. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    9 mil for Nurse would be absolutely awful
    If that’s what the asking price is I trade him tomorrow

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: In the last 5 games, James Neal’s shooting percentage was 9.1% and the PP was much more normal – the Oilers went 3-1-1 including a stretch where McDavid had no points in 11 straight periods.

    In the last 4 games, James Neal’s shooting percentage was 11% and the PP was bad.McDavid went 11 out of 12 periods with zero points.Oilers went 2-1-1.

    Seems regression in the noted matters has set in but yet team success continues.

    Yep.
    But all the red flags are still there.
    Can you imagine how a McDavid injury would devastate the team?

  42. Bulging Twine says:

    dustrock:

    The crossbar shot play by McDavid may have been the coolest thing I’ve seen all season.

    And wasn’t it John “Norris” Carlson that he dangled around? Impressive

  43. Nit64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Colorado, Vancouver and Arizona all have two games in hand.

    Doh. Most of the season it’s only about what you’ve done. Chart was based on Games Above Bettman .500. Similar to Games above .500 in MLB or NBA. It rewards 2 point nights and penalizes 0 point nights. Games in hand and 1 point nights are neutral.

    Sure. Games in hand matter in March when it’s all about controlling your destiny and the Magic Number for elimination.

  44. Nit64 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Can you imagine how a McDavid injury would devastate the team?

    ~ Einstein spotting ~

  45. Mr DeBakey says:

    Cassandra: The rest of the team is hot garbage.

    Don’t let McDavid fool you of this. This means that no matter how good McDavid plays the team itself is underperforming.

    Agree with one modification, in fact the rest of the forwards are hot garbage.

    Once the Oilers started their big comeback last night Granlund, Russell & Sheahan didn’t see the ice again.

    Granlud looks completely done; he reminds of Lucic in his first season with the Oilers – game moving too fast, hands and feet can’t keep up. He might as well go to Bakersfield.

  46. Harpers Hair says:

    Nit64: Doh.Most of the season it’s only about what you’ve done. Chart was based on Games Above Bettman .500. Similar to Games above .500 in MLB or NBA.It rewards 2 point nights and penalizes 0 point nights.Games in hand and 1 point nights are neutral.

    Sure. Games in hand matter in March when it’s all about controlling your destiny and the Magic Number for elimination.

    That’s why I posted the actual win % earlier in the thread.
    The Oilers are actually tied for third.
    Colorado will run away with this.

  47. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: Can you imagine how a McDavid injury would devastate the team?

    Dare to dream!

    *runs Markstrom*

  48. Harpers Hair says:

    Nit64: ~ Einstein spotting ~

    Yet Colorado can suffer a Rantanen injury and blow out Vegas.
    Balance is a thing.

  49. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Where were you last night???
    We missed you

  50. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer:
    Harpers Hair,

    Where were you last night???
    We missed you

    In Tofino.
    You?

  51. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Holland is in Cali taking in the two Condors games this weekend.

    This was the plan before the Archie injury but they play tonight and tomorrow, prior to the game on Sunday.

    Big weekend for the likes of Currie and Joe G. and maybe even Marody or Benson.

    Don’t see Yamamoto being recalled yet

    The plan was for 6-7 games for Haas and, if they thought he needed that a few days ago, I would think they stick to the plan.

    Kurt Leavins suggested McLeod and I think that’s about 400 or so days premature.

    I think McLeod is a bonafide possibility. They are not looking for a top six centre. McLeod checks all the boxes required to fill in at third line centre. Excellent skater, very good defensive IQ and an adept face-off man. His skating alone will give him an advantage on the fore-check. I believe Haas will get the call but I think McLeod would be the teams second choice.

  52. duct tape and foil says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    duct tape and foil,

    I was mocked mercilessly last year for suggesting Kass was a legit top line complimentary winger. I’ll take my smug grin right now and move on. He really is the perfect fit. Fast, big, decent passer, goes to the net. Plus he has that unpredictable crazy streak that keeps team honest in a way that is much more effective than hulking slow goons like Looch. I like both Kass and Neal at RW right now.

    I’ve defended Kassian here and wasn’t mocked, nor do I remember any mocking anyone about Kassian.

    Do you have some links to where you were mocked mercilessly?

    Not important enough to bother. A few people mentioned last year that Kass had top 6 upside that was not being exploited by TMac, and more than a few though the idea was foolish and that Kass had no skill, no hockey sense, and no business being in the top 6. Turns out he does and it’s been almost half a season since Hitch gave him the chance TMac had no interest in offering.

  53. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: That’s why I posted the actual win % earlier in the thread.
    The Oilers are actually tied for third.
    Colorado will run away with this.

    Why don’t you go on the avalanche web site and bother them for awhile. The last thing I need is another vancouver fan bad mouthing the Oilers. Come back to the site when your team has actually won a Stanley Cup.The imprint on my mind of the Canuck jersey is one of riot gear after your loss to Boston.
    Sorry LT showing myself out now.

  54. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: In Tofino.
    You?

    Must be a troll cave

  55. Nit64 says:

    Harpers Hair: That’s why I posted the actual win % earlier in the thread.
    The Oilers are actually tied for third.
    Colorado will run away with this.

    Games above/behind and Winning percentage are both good. That’s why MLB and NBA print both in their standings. Use whichever cherry works best 😉

    Games above/behind is more intuitive. Great for tracking accomplishment early on (i.e. games above .500) and great fir gained/lost ground later on (i.e. games above/below last wild card spot) .

  56. Nit64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Yet Colorado can suffer a Rantanen injury and blow out Vegas.
    Balance is a thing.

    ~ Maxwell sighting ~

  57. Munny says:

    pts2pndr,

    McLeod is a interesting story. How the New Holland Oil handle him will tell us a lot about the organization. He’s the best center prospect presently in the system, and is a perfect fit for the roster’s needs.

    McLeod already can skate at an NHL level, so the temptation must be great… but the new GM knows the longer he can leave McLeod in the A, the more prepared the kid will be in all aspects of the game. Now if this were just a week’s worth of injury replacement, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them take a quick look to see how he measures, but even then, it’s really a little early.

    That’s the guy they’re hoping will develop fast though. The sooner he is NHL capable, the better for the team because they urgently need what he can bring. He might be super smart… and absorb and adjust to pro hockey lickity split, but the odds are against it.

    I think Holly will prove to be patient and give CM at least a year, aside from any cups of joe..

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner with the start (Gillies for Stockton).

    Day in the lineup (presumably paired with Sammy on the 3rd pairing and Corbett out).

  59. Lowetide says:

    Bulging Twine:
    LT, I was very impressed with the comeback win last night and the overall season record.I want to celebrate.I was thinking I might splurge on another ceramic elephant.That would make two this year.Do you think this is reasonable or am I getting too carried away?

    I’ve been buying a ceramic elephant every five points.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    OriginalPouzar,

    9 mil for Nurse would be absolutely awful
    If that’s what the asking price is I trade him tomorrow

    Clearly I meant Hall, not Nurse.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Yep.
    But all the red flags are still there.
    Can you imagine how a McDavid injury would devastate the team?

    You just keep moving the goalposts after every response.

  62. Nit64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: You just keep moving the goalposts after every response.

    He keeps them on wheels for a reason.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: That’s why I posted the actual win % earlier in the thread.
    The Oilers are actually tied for third.
    Colorado will run away with this.

    Well, yes, of course – they were my exhibition favorite to win the Stanley Cup.

    Is anyone actually suggesting that the Oilers will win the President’s Trophy?

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors with an early PP – lots of posession and pucks towards the net – 4 shots but no goals.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson to Currie who makes some offensive dangles before dishing to Sammy for a solid shot from outside the top of the circles.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    ptspndr: I think McLeod is a bonafide possibility. They are not looking for a top six centre. McLeod checks all the boxes required to fill in at third line centre. Excellent skater, very good defensive IQ and an adept face-off man. His skating alone will give him an advantage on the fore-check. I believe Haas will get the call but I think McLeod would be the teams second choice.

    McLeod isn’t even play full time center at the AHL level – he’s been on the third line wing 3 out of the last 4 games.

    He does check all those boxes from a skill-set level but what he’s missing is the NHL-readiness.

    I can’t imagine our GM calling that player up after 7 AHL games (plus a few in last year’s playoffs).

  67. Munny says:

    Weird Thought #563 (times ten to the fifth):

    __________________________________

    I was wondering whether the Org should move Jones to wing or center in Bako.

    Rather than trading him away for what would likely be a mid-draft pick or a tweener prospect, why not see if you can convert the asset into something useful where the roster is weak? Football does this sort of thing all the time.

    He’s mobile and has good speed and has already shown he can skate in the NHL. He can make a pass, and presumably take one. Has a decent shot. Has reasonable size and strength. Good vision. Should be adept south of the puck… Toolsey in other words.

    And the time to make such changes isn’t when they’re in the NHL. Playing in the A gives him time to learn a new role… or at least time for himself and his coaches to see whether he can adapt and excel.

    I think it’s worth a 20-30 game experiment.

    The player, or course, would need to be willing to make the change. Given the roster, I’m not sure it would be a hard sell. Depends on how much he loves being a blueliner.

    Holland Oil seems to prefer Laggy to Jones, and Samo and Bro are coming like freight trains… if Jones has a career on the Oiler Big Squad it won’t be a long one. He’s future trade bait at this point.

  68. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    No but he trolls here every day to make sure we don’t try and enjoy this great start
    Vast majority of people picked for us to have between 80 and 90 points
    Vast majority of people have no expectations of us finishing in contention for presidents trophy
    It’s nice to see us in contention this early

  69. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: You just keep moving the goalposts after every response.

    Okay you got me.
    The Oilers will continue to have a PP scoring at more than 30%.
    James Neal will continue to have shooting % of 28%.
    The Oilers will on average be outshot every game but still win.
    The Oilers bottom 6 will contribute nothing and they’ll still keep winning.
    The Oilers won’t suffer any injuries or exhaustion by playing their top line huge minutes.
    Yep.
    Looks like a recipe for success.

  70. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Vegas would only have selected a pending UFA if a contract had already been agreed to – I believe a window was open for Vegas to chat with pending UFAs prior to the draft.

    That’s how I remember it. And Holland has the next 20 months to talk to Nuge, hopefully they can come to an understanding prior to Seattle’s window opening.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors with a very poor second PP and then Maksimov takes a tripping PIM (did that last game as well).

  72. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I do not understand how the Condors are not destroying opponents. Looks like an extremely talented team on paper. They seem to consistently outshoot teams but the record and goal scoring has been mediocre. This roster should be capable of domination.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Okay you got me.
    The Oilers will continue to have a PP scoring at more than 30%.
    James Neal will continue to haveshorting % of 28%.
    The Oilers will on average be outshot every game but still win.
    The Oilers bottom 6 will contribute nothing and they’ll still keep winning.
    The Oilers won’t suffer any injuries or exhaustion by playing their top line huge minutes.
    Yep.
    Looks like a recipe for success.

    Again, I never posited anything that you are defending.

    The first two have already regressed to normal levels and they have gone 3-1-1 in the 5 games since.

    Not outshot by the Caps.

    If regression is expected for all the good then “regression” should be expected for the bad with the bottom 6 starting to contribute.

    Oilers have suffered injuries to their two opening night right shot D, at the same time, and have managed – including almost 4 games of very sub-par McDavid play.

    Of course they aren’t going to play at a 120 point pace all season but there is no foregone conclusion that the wheels are going to fall totally off.

  74. Ryan says:

    Munny:
    Weird Thought #563 (times ten to the fifth):

    __________________________________

    I was wondering whether the Org should move Jones to wing or center in Bako.

    Rather than trading him away for what would likely be a mid-draft pick or a tweener prospect, why not see if you can convert the asset into something useful where the roster is weak?Football does this sort of thing all the time.

    He’s mobile and has good speed and has already shown he can skate in the NHL.He can make a pass, and presumably take one.Has a decent shot. Has reasonable size and strength.Good vision.Should be adept south of the puck… Tool-ey in other words.

    And the time to make such changes isn’t when they’re in the NHL. Playing in the A gives him time to learn a new role… or at least time for himself and his coaches to see whether he can adapt and excel.

    I think it’s worth a 20-30 game experiment.

    The player, or course, would need to be willing to make the change.Given the roster, I’m not sure it would be a hard sell.Depends on how much he loves being a blueliner.

    Holland Oil seems to prefer Laggy to Jones, and Samo and Bro are coming like freight trains…if Jones has a career on the Oiler Big Squad it won’t be a long one.He’s future trade bait at this point.

    You sir are an evil genius.

    Bear, Lagesson, and Jones to the wings.

    #protect7and3

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors with a good PP (their third) but make a mistake at the blueline and give up a 2 on 0 and a goal.

  76. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Again, I never posited anything that you are defending.

    The first two have already regressed to normal levels and they have gone 3-1-1 in the 5 games since.

    Not outshot by the Caps.

    If regression is expected for all the good then “regression” should be expected for the bad with the bottom 6 starting to contribute.

    Oilers have suffered injuries to their two opening night right shot D, at the same time, and have managed – including almost 4 games of very sub-par McDavid play.

    Of course they aren’t going to play at a 120 point pace all season but there is no foregone conclusion that the wheels are going to fall totally off.

    Nonsense.
    The first two remain well above average or expected.
    You could expect regression from the bottom six if they had any talent but they don’t…they’re a Sea of Granlunds.
    No one says the wheels will fall off but they are far less than their record indicates.
    There are red flags everywhere.

  77. duct tape and foil says:

    Dr. Taboggan,

    A few guys (Marody, Benson, Gams, Jones) might be suffering a bit post send-down. I can see those guys being pretty pumped going into training camp but they got demoted pretty quickly.

  78. Lowetide says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    I do not understand how the Condors are not destroying opponents. Looks like an extremely talented team on paper. They seem to consistently outshoot teams but the record and goal scoring has been mediocre. This roster should be capable of domination.

    A key to the success of last season was Shane Starrett emerging. His injury impacts this early season malaise.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Nonsense.
    The first two remain well above average or expected.
    You could expect regression from the bottom six if they had any talent but they don’t…they’re a Sea of Granlunds.
    No one says the wheels will fall off but they are far less than their record indicates.
    There are red flags everywhere.

    Please, feel free to slow down and read my posts – I already posted Neal’s shooting percentage (all situation, including PP) over the last 4 and 5 games – both below his career average.

    Oilers PP in the last number of games has been slumping and actually hurting the team.

    McDavid with 11 straight periods with zero points during the last 5 games.

    Record: 3-1-1.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: A key to the success of last season was Shane Starrett emerging. His injury impacts this early season malaise.

    Not to mention, much of the big talent are raw professional rookies: Bouchard, Samorukov, McLeod, Maksimov.

    Also injuries to the NHL D causing call-ups plus Day and Deharnais being hurt – the D has been compromised.

    Also, they’ve played 6 games. The Oilers have played 11 and much of the talk is about how their record doesn’t represent their team.

  81. digger50 says:

    The call up won’t be related to Holland’s visit to Bakersfield. He knows what Haas, Cave can do. He’s there to assess someone be like Gambardella and see if his 29 goals from last year can convert to NHL. Or does he need a puck distributor like Benson?

    I think Holland takes a look at someone new.

  82. Bulging Twine says:

    Lowetide: I’ve been buying a ceramic elephant every five points.

    That’s great, it’s good to have guidelines. I have my eyes on a nice turquoise one.

  83. Ice Sage says:

    Nit64:
    Bettman 500 Leaderboard as of 10/24
    (Games Above Bettman .500)

    +3Edmonton, Colorado
    +1.5Vegas, Nashville, St Louis, Vancouver
    +1Arizona
    +0.5Calgary, Anaheim
    -0.5 Winnipeg, San Jose
    -1 Los Angeles, Chicago
    -1.5 Dallas
    -2 Minnesota

    Thx 4 this
    and no
    its never too early

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    Given Archibald leads the forward in TOI/G on the PK and has been very good on the PK (Ovie’s goal being the first he was on the ice for) (credit: LT at The Athletic), I’m fairly confident it will be Cave.

  85. Munny says:

    Lowetide: A key to the success of last season was Shane Starrett emerging. His injury impacts this early season malaise.

    Didn’t they waste two excellent starts by Wells due to lack of O?

  86. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Please, feel free to slow down and read my posts – I already posted Neal’s shooting percentage (all situation, including PP) over the last 4 and 5 games – both below his career average.

    Oilers PP in the last number of games has been slumping and actually hurting the team.

    McDavid with 11 straight periods with zero points during the last 5 games.

    Record: 3-1-1.

    I’m looking at the big picture.
    You’re looking at anything that can support your argument.
    But carry one.

  87. Ice Sage says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m lookingat the big picture.
    You’re looking at anything that can support your argument.
    But carry one.

    Dude, you been around long enough.
    Hockey IS an argument.
    Oilers winning it right now.

  88. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Yes your endless game of hockey whataboutism is the big picture
    Yeah well what about the Avs
    What about the Bolts
    Well what about every other team which is hard for one team to compare to all the other combined don’t you think

  89. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Okay you got me.
    The Oilers will continue to have a PP scoring at more than 30%.
    James Neal will continue to haveshooting % of 28%.
    The Oilers will on average be outshot every game but still win.
    The Oilers bottom 6 will contribute nothing and they’ll still keep winning.
    The Oilers won’t suffer any injuries or exhaustion by playing their top line huge minutes.
    Yep.
    Looks like a recipe for success.

    That’s the spirit mate your finally coming around.Its time to take off the Harold Snepsts Jersey and hang it back in the closet where it belongs.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: I’m lookingat the big picture.
    You’re looking at anything that can support your argument.
    But carry one.

    You are look at anything that will make your rival team look bad.

    Your premise is that the Oilers are only winning because of unsustainable success in certain areas that will will regress.

    I agree that they will regress in many of these areas – for example, the PP won’t continue at 40% plus and James Neal won’t shoot at 40% or even 28%.

    My point is that we’ve already seen regression in many of these areas over the last 4-5 games and I even showed James Neal’s shooting percentage over those games.

    Your point was that once regression happens, they will lose. Your opinion.

    My retort is that that regression has already kicked in over 4-5 games and they are still winning at a solid clip. Fact.

  91. digger50 says:

    Pronman in September had Oilers prospects ranked 9th overall and Ethan Bear as number 13 ranked prospect on the Oil who “has a chance” but unlikely. Ha Ha

    Oh it’s nice for a change.

  92. Bank Shot says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m lookingat the big picture.
    You’re looking at anything that can support your argument.
    But carry one.

    Big picture Minnesota was going to be amazing and Shirokov was the next Gretzky.

    Oh good times…..

  93. Ice Sage says:

    Reja: That’s the spirit mate your finally coming around.Its time to take off the Harold Snepsts Jersey and hang it back in the closet where it belongs.

    Ooooh Harold Snepts Jersey??? That burn is so hot that DSF and Greta are both cowering over here on the Left Coast!!!!!!

  94. Pescador says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.

    Can you imagine how a McDavid injury would devastate the team?

    I don’t think I’ve ever read a post from someone else on this blog fantasizing about a Sedin injury.
    I can’t imagine anyone from this site posting on a Van blog either
    Who is the Canucks best player anyway?
    Genuine question:
    If I stamp out a flaming bag of dogshit, would you consider that to be me engaging in friendly banter with it?

  95. Ice Sage says:

    Canucks fans, teflon hair or not, should thank the Oilers tonight for taking the piss out of the Caps.
    May they return the favour…

  96. leadfarmer says:

    Pescador,

    Could you imagine if a raging case of syphillis ravaged the Canucks dressing room?
    Yeah me neither

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    Pescador: I don’t think I’ve ever read a post from someone else on this blog fantasizing about a Sedin injury.
    I can’t imagine anyone from this site posting on a Van blog either
    Who is the Canucks best player anyway?
    Genuine question:
    If I stamp out a flaming bag of dogshit, would you consider that to be me engaging in friendly banter with it?

    The issue is the Oilers are absolute dog shit without McDavid.
    They don’t have anything else.
    Last time I checked, Draisailtls goal share was below 50% without McDavid.
    Vancouver doesn’t have a McDavid but have far more scoring depth.
    Hell, Tim Schiller who plays fourth line minutes has more goals that the entire Oiler bottom six.

  98. jm363561 says:

    Re HH

    1. Everyone knows not to feed a troll. If you think HH is trolling then ignore the comments.
    2. Personally I have no problem with his comments. Quite the opposite.

  99. Johnny skid says:

    Harpers Hair: The issue is the Oilers are absolute dog shit without McDavid.
    They don’t have anything else.
    Last time I checked, Draisailtls goal share was below 50% without McDavid.
    Vancouver doesn’t have a McDavid but have far more scoring depth.
    Hell, Tim Schiller who plays fourth line minutes has more goals that the entire Oiler bottom six.

    i find it so odd that you are here commenting while your supposed team is playing.

  100. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Yeah
    But no one cares

  101. Ice Sage says:

    Harpers Hair: The issue is the Oilers are absolute dog shit without McDavid.
    They don’t have anything else.
    Last time I checked, Draisailtls goal share was below 50% without McDavid.
    Vancouver doesn’t have a McDavid but have far more scoring depth.
    Hell, Tim Schiller who plays fourth line minutes has more goals that the entire Oiler bottom six.

    And yeah, if the Oilers didn’t have McD the complaint would be ‘they just need that player to take them over the top’. Reality is the NHL is trending towards the NBA – 2-3 exemplary players and the rest are plugs. Take away Petterson and, well I can’t even think of another allstar Canuck – maybe second-best Hughes? Boesser? – and their ‘canine feces’ too… same as it ever was, just which tribe u like

  102. jp says:

    // OriginalPouzar:

    There is a contract offer out there waiting for Jesse to sign.

    Jesse and his agent know there is a depth scoring issue on the current roster and see Jesse as an offensive producer in the NHL.

    I can’t say he’d be gifted that spot in the lineup but, given waivers, he would assuredly be on the 23-man.

    There hasn’t been a day since this saga began that I haven’t been all for Jesse signing with the Oilers and returning to the team.

    Don’t see it happening – maybe, outside chance, if December 1 is approaching and Jesse realizes that a trade isn’t coming and he either wants to make some $$$$ or wants to be in the NHL, even for the Oilers, over Liiga. //

    I haven’t seen this floated, apologies if it’s been discussed already.

    But what if Puljujarvi kinda likes it back in Finland and realizes he likes being a star. And that kinda takes the hammer out of Holland’s hand.

    How much does that factor into what you think he’s worth, and what you’d trade him for?

  103. Ice Sage says:

    Ice Sage:
    Canucks fans, teflon hair or not, should thank the Oilers tonight for taking the piss out of the Caps.
    May they return the favour…

    Spoke too soon – looks like the Dy’s could use a superstar tor 2 to dominate the third!

  104. Material Elvis says:

    Cassandra: 09am

    Basically, you have become another DSF.

  105. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0: His wife is from Red Deer.

    Wives make a lot of decisions and like to have family close when they start a family…..

    This is all completely true. And wonderful to hear, in this case.

  106. Harpers Hair says:

    Ice Sage: And yeah, if the Oilers didn’t have McD the complaint would be ‘they just need that player to take them over the top’.Reality is the NHL is trending towards the NBA – 2-3 exemplary players and the rest are plugs.Take away Petterson and, well I can’t even think of another allstar Canuck – maybe second-best Hughes? Boesser? – and their ‘canine feces’ too… same as it ever was, just which tribe u like

    Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes.
    Likely short one difference maker but far less dog shit.

  107. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes.
    Likely short one difference maker but far less dog shit.

    Also short one 1st round draft pick
    One that would be protected in the expansion draft

    Also for someone talking about depth you don’t even acknowledge that this team is down 2 of their starting RHD including their top tough minutes guy

  108. Material Elvis says:

    Canucks blow a 5-1 lead to lose in a shootout.

  109. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Lolz
    Canucks blow a 4 goal lead in the 3rd period against an opponent on their scheduled loss night who played an overtime game last night and are playing their backup g

  110. OilClog says:

    Imagine trying to discredit Leon, classic example of not watching the actual games.

    No one is discrediting Vancouver or even talking about them.

    Be that aside, not a single player in Vancouver is on Leon’s level.

    The Oilers have a dominate top 6, with a severely underrated D core.

    There may be some dog shit but imo I’d much rather be side stepping it then being bombarded with the wet, pungent, shithawk squirt that have no history of value, no track record of being a winning and tons of video evidence how the frail yups react when they don’t get the Stanley.

    Imaging cursing the shower wall washing out the shit squirts of a shit hawk because the hockey team you cheer for is hot trash and your left yelling at people dodging dog shit while enjoying all the beauty the rest of the game has to offer.

    If you actually watch it that is, imagine trying to discredit Leon LOL. Stick to Cowichan cheeses

  111. Munny says:

    That Canuck team really knows how to exert their will on a game.

    #killerinstinct

  112. JimmyV1965 says:

    Caps beat Canucks in shootout. I’m sure HH won’t show his face for awhile. Funny thing is, the Canucks have a really good team this year and most posters here would be quite willing to admit that, if HH wasn’t such an obnoxious blowhard.

    And yes, they do have more forward depth than the Oilers. What they are missing though is a McDavid or Drai. Both teams have flaws, but I suspect we’ll have an easier time acquiring the JT Millers of the world than the Canucks will have finding the McDavids of the world.

    I he big advantage for the Oilers is defence IMO. Our group of dmen is simply better than the Canucks and when Larsson returns, it’s not even close.

  113. BlackGold19 says:

    Condors win in SO. 11th round. Goal by Colby Cave.

  114. Wilde says:

    Dr. Taboggan:

    I do not understand how the Condors are not destroying opponents. Looks like an extremely talented team on paper. They seem to consistently outshoot teams but the record and goal scoring has been mediocre. This roster should be capable of domination.

    Lineup settling in, and they just don’t have high-ceiling offensive tendencies on-ice. The only line truly demolishing the opposition is Gambardella-Malone-Yamamoto, and that’s two top wingers in the league carrying a decent top-6 centre, as opposed to last year’s Benson-Marody-Currie where all three players were just flat out disgustingly dominant.

    Also, on defence, Lowe seems to be playing more and he was actually a drag on Bear last year. Stanton was far better as a veteran partner – add that to Kulevich playing top-four minutes (the worst shot-impact defensemen to play over a dozen games in my tracking sample) and paradoxically the Dcorps is performing worse despite adding Bouchard and Samorukov. Lagesson has only played two games, mind.

    Some of that stuff is temporary. Playing Esposito up-lineup, and having a McLellanite offense is not.

    Overall I suspect that we’ll see some changes in range of Holland’s shot-term memory of the games this weekend, then things will settle in and the top-six will self-replicate last year’s offense and if the team isn’t as good as last year it’ll be the goaltending as a drag.

  115. Wilde says:

    Jones and Bouchard became a pairing, which is excellent. They’ve gotten a ton of shifts too, I’ll have to ask Wheat what their TOI ends up being.

    Jones is kind of miscast sometimes as a player who has some identity-defining trade-off around speed and offense or whatever.

    This is the player who I’ve probably analysed most deeply, data and video, and I’d describe him as an ultra-mobile nightmare who burns checkers all over the ice – in the DZ on retrievals and after a broken cycle, in the NZ while looking off the tracked forward, and in the OZ dancing around the high forward at the point.

    I wouldn’t even really call it just ‘speed’ or ‘skating’ because these plays would be either unavailable to him if he didn’t have the puck skill and vision to be a passing threat, or wouldn’t matter because his team wouldn’t have the puck enough if he couldn’t be a proactive force during friendly possession or a disruptive one in opposition.

    So he’s not the steady veteran partner stereotype, but I believe rookies will flourish alongside him because he’s better than whichever whatever steady veteran at areas where that responsible blue has drawbacks /as well as/ where they have strengths.

    It’s difficult to drag on him – and Bouchard isn’t the type. They’ve been pretty scary to deal with when the Condors win a DZFO so far, no way to stop their breakout at all.

  116. Wilde says:

    Also, I Ctrl+F’d and didn’t find a mention of the Gudbranson trade, where the Penguins dropped him clean.

    Seriously, no penalty at all. Has 4M this year and next, which marks a decent comparison to Kris Russell. Russell’s the better player, will be owed less money, but has a NTC.

    They really should be able to move him, but outside of the amateur draft Anaheim is a pretty stupid team.

  117. Bill Clinternet says:

    OriginalPouzar: Clearly I meant Hall, not Nurse.

    You’re such a donkey. It wasn’t clear at all, otherwise he wouldn’t have made that comment. I’m developing a Chrome extension that will allow me to view this blog with all of your posts being not visible, and I cannot wait until it’s complete. The way you bully people and act like your opinion holds more weight than others, since you post the most I guess, is getting very tiresome

  118. leadfarmer says:

    Bill Clinternet: You’re such a donkey. It wasn’t clear at all, otherwise he wouldn’t have made that comment. I’m developing a Chrome extension that will allow me to view this blog with all of your posts being not visible, and I cannot wait until it’s complete. The way you bully people and act like your opinion holds more weight than others, since you post the most I guess, is getting very tiresome

    Clearly he was not very clear
    But I don’t think he’s ever been disrespectful

  119. Professor Q says:

    Wilde,

    I’ve been waiting for this pairing. I’ll have to watch a game soon, now.

    Until then, The Outer Worlds!

  120. Andy Dufresne says:

    Pescador: I don’t think I’ve ever read a post from someone else on this blog fantasizing about a Sedin injury.
    I can’t imagine anyone from this site posting on a Van blog either
    Who is the Canucks best player anyway?
    Genuine question:
    If I stamp out a flaming bag of dogshit, would you consider that to be me engaging in friendly banter with it?

    FUN FACT:

    When you stomp out a flaming bag of dog shit ( qualifier: not saying Harpers Hair or Cassandra or DSF are flaming ), its easy to win the arguement, but you still end up with a smelly shoe. And its really hard to wash off that kind of taint.

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Will be interesting to see what practice looks like today.

    Will Russell be skating after being banged up and not really playing in the third on Thursday?

    Will Persson be look to be on a game-day line?

    Does Lagesson look to be in for Manning given Brandon didn’t play much in the third? If Persson is to be activated, Lagesson may be off to California.

    Who is lined up with Klefbom? Persson? Russell? Benning?

    We may see a call-up today – I think it’ll be Cave given Archie was a top minutes and top effective PK guy. Reading the Athletic, LT doesn’t think so.

  122. Reja says:

    I would think Kosh starts next game keeping with the 2 on 2 off theme.I wonder what Smith’s and Kosh’s records are in early afternoon games of course it would be a small sample size for Kosh and if that plays a factor with Tippett on who’s starting Sunday. His handling of the goaltenders has been as J.J Walker once said Dynamite.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    I have never wavered from being willing to take Puljujarvi back on this team with open arms.

    He has a contract offer sitting in front of him that he can sign any time and the ability to come to a team with depth offensive production issues, exactly what he might be able to bring (and what he thinks he can bring).

    Don’t know where Tippett would put him if he showed up tomorrow – he’d be on the roster as Holland wouldn’t expose him to waivers – presumably he’d be on that third line or maybe even 2LW with Nuge and Neal.

    I don’t see it happening. The kid really seems to be done with the org. I will still hold out hope that, as December 1 approaches and Jesse realizes a trade isn’t happening, he’ll sign and come back to the org – either b/c he wants the money for the rest of this year or he simply wants back in the league. Don’t see it happening but I’m still hopeful.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    // OriginalPouzar:

    There is a contract offer out there waiting for Jesse to sign.

    Jesse and his agent know there is a depth scoring issue on the current roster and see Jesse as an offensive producer in the NHL.

    I can’t say he’d be gifted that spot in the lineup but, given waivers, he would assuredly be on the 23-man.

    There hasn’t been a day since this saga began that I haven’t been all for Jesse signing with the Oilers and returning to the team.

    Don’t see it happening – maybe, outside chance, if December 1 is approaching and Jesse realizes that a trade isn’t coming and he either wants to make some $$$$ or wants to be in the NHL, even for the Oilers, over Liiga. //

    I haven’t seen this floated, apologies if it’s been discussed already.

    But what if Puljujarvi kinda likes it back in Finland and realizes he likes being a star. And that kinda takes the hammer out of Holland’s hand.

    How much does that factor into what you think he’s worth, and what you’d trade him for?

    If he indicates to the world he isn’t coming back to the NHL, obviously his limited trade value plummets.

    I don’t see that being the case as he has always indicated the NHL is his goal and, frankly, the finanical difference is massive. He has a contract offer in front of him that I would guess is a good 5X what he is making now and that’s a well below NHL average contract.

    I am with Holland on this one, I don’t trade him for a failed high pick that is middling in the AHL. If there isn’t a trade where there is good value coming back, I hold – if its years, its years.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t know the history, has HH actually expressed/admitted that he’s a Canucks fans or is that what the community has inferred due to the nature of his posts and his geographical location?

    Honest question?

    Personally, I have not problem with his posting – its frustrating that he’ll make a point, it’ll be refuted with fact, and then he’ll move the goalposts or provide a defence to an argument that noone has made. Its a style that I find defensive but,overall, whatever, if he’s an actual Oilers fan, an overly negative, glass half empty, view is his right. If he’s a Canucks fan for real and posting negative stuff about the Oilers on an Oilers blog, well, that is a troll.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    BillClinternet: You’re such a donkey. It wasn’t clear at all, otherwise he wouldn’t have made that comment. I’m developing a Chrome extension that will allow me to view this blog with all of your posts being not visible, and I cannot wait until it’s complete. The way you bully people and act like your opinion holds more weight than others, since you post the most I guess, is getting very tiresome

    Seems like quite a bit of work but I hope you are able to achieve what makes you happy.

    Pretty sure I’ve never called anyone a derogatory name on here, like donkey – not sure how I’m the one being called a bully but feel free to have your opinion.

    Quite certain I don’t think my opinion means more than anyone else’s, however, I do very much enjoy talking about the Oilers and discussing varying opinions and, in doing so, when I read the comments and disagree with a view, I will post about it trying to engage in discussion. I thought that’s what the community was for. I apologize if the quantity or quality upsets you but one can’t please anyone.

  127. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I think it’s mostly presumed that he’s a Canuck fan though HH also has a little bandwagon in him.

    He was a bit of a bandwagon Dallas Stars fan a few years ago. This year, I could see him jumping on the Colorado Avalanche bandwagon.

    I vaguely recall calling him out on this issue five or six years ago, but I don’t precisely recall his response. I think he’s somewhat of an ambivalent Oilers fan now. Disgruntled by the years of ineptitude by management. I think he also acknowledged being a Canucks fan at one point, but not 100% certain.

  128. yeraslob says:

    Harpers Hair: Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes.
    Likely short one difference maker but far less dog shit.

    Your dog shit blew a four goal lead. But you already know that.

  129. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: The issue is the Oilers are absolute dog shit without McDavid.
    They don’t have anything else.
    Last time I checked, Draisailtls goal share was below 50% without McDavid.
    Vancouver doesn’t have a McDavid but have far more scoring depth.
    Hell, Tim Schiller who plays fourth line minutes has more goals that the entire Oiler bottom six.

    It takes no skill to be an a—h—e which is obvious by your remarks. Draisaitl is still better than your best Canuck player. Edmonton has Five Stanley Cups and five times as many players in the hockey hall of fame as the Canucks not to mention the most successful Canadian franchise since they came into the league.
    I retired in the beautiful province of B.C and am proud to live in the Okanagan with many people from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. I truly hope that whatever is wrong in your life becomes better.
    Alberta’s economy is struggling but they stay strong together. One of their escapes, as is one of mine are the Oilers. They do not need an outsider to state the obvious weakness’s in the team. Your time might be better spent on being supportive of those around you. I am not talking just about this blog but in your personal relationships. People are drawn to positive people I suggest you try being one of those.

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