European Showtime

Gaetan Haas had a tough introduction to the NHL. With family in attendance for his first game in the world’s best league, he played 2:11 in a win over Vancouver. That’s less than ideal. Haas was used sparingly, looked good when he played, got sent down to Bakersfield for a quick tour, and has been back for the last four games. His goal last night, the first of his career, was the result of hard work and forechecking, using his speed and savvy to make things happen. Well done, European showtime. Well done.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • New Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?
  • New Lowetide: Bakersfield Condors coaching staff continues to mold unheralded players into legit NHL prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Mailbag: Fixing the forward depth, slotting the big three, a Puljujarvi trade and more
  • Minnia Feng: The 2019-20 Oilers fan guide to emotions and stressful circumstances
  • Jonathan Willis: How much will the Oilers have to pay to keep pending free agent Zack Kassian?
  • Lowetide: Sheahan hurt, Oilers in need of a two-way centre; some candidates emerging
  • Jonathan Willis: Handicapping the chase for the Calder after the first month of the 2019-20 NHL season
  • Jonathan Willis: Unproductive Oilers forwards are in danger of losing their jobs — and soon
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the current state of the Edmonton Oilers goaltending.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I don’t think anyone’s feeling comfortable’: Oilers’ Holland pleased but cautious amid early improvements.
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS AFTER 16 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 6-10-0, 10 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2016: 9-6-1, 19 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 6-9-1, 13 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2018: 8-7-1, 17 points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in 2019: 10-4-2, 22 points; goal differential +5

Edmonton is on pace for 113 points, and are three points clear of the previous ‘best McDavid’ team. I suggested last night’s game was a pick ’em, and the late goal by Haas tying it confirmed the closeness of the game. Arizona outplayed the Oilers for much of the game, but the home team fought through some tough checking and a team of referees imported from 1975 to grab a point. Tough to be negative.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in November 2016: 0-1-1, one point; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-0-0, two points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in November 2019: 1-0-1, three points; goal differential 0

Once again, and it’s admittedly early, this year’s McDavid crew has some momentum heading into games against the Stanley Cup champions and the New Jersey Devils. Goal differential is flat, that’s an interesting curio for a team with three of a possible four points.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-0-1, 3 points after two games

The two remaining games this week are against teams who will be playing the second of back-to-backs, but counting on two wins is probably unwise. Blues are 6-2-2 in its last 10 games, New Jersey 3-4-3.

The Haas goal came on a 21 second shift featuring Haas, Zack Kassian and Jujhar Khaira. That isn’t covered below, all numbers five-on-five unless noted and NST is the resource.

LINE 1 Leon Draisaitl-Connor McDavid-Alex Chiasson played 7:52, going 5-9 Corsi, 1-5 shots, 1-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC. Sam Gagner replaced Chiasson for 7:48, trio went 8-4 Corsi, 6-2 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-0 HDSC.

Leon Draisaitl had an assist on McDavid’s brilliant goal, a giveaway that resulted in the first goal against (it wasn’t in a terrible spot), won a lot of faceoffs and skated miles. Connor McDavid scored a stunning goal, four shots, three HDSC, drew a penalty. My God what a great hockey player. Alex Chiasson had one HDSC but didn’t impress his coach, with Tippett saying “I put him in that place to give him a good opportunity tonight and there wasn’t a lot happening there.” Sam Gagner took better advantage of the opportunity and we’ll see how the top line looks against St. Louis.

LINE 2 James Neal-Nuge-Zack Kassian played 9:58, going 9-10 Corsi, 6-6 shots, no goals and 1-3 HDSC. The trio’s best moment came when Neal intercepted a pass, sent it to Nuge who got it to Kassian for a great chance. That was the big moment for the line.

James Neal had one shot, a takeaway and a giveaway. I bet he lands on McDavid’s line soon. Nuge had one shot, a HDSC, a monster hit on OEL, a giveaway and won lots of faceoffs. Kassian almost scored, had one other HDSC, two shots, five hits and a penalty. I liked his game on this line.

LINE 3 Markus Granlund-Colby Cave-Patrick Russell played 5:01, going 3-2 Corsi, 1-1 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Markus Granlund had two shots, a 10-bell chance and a takeaway. He played well but isn’t bringing enough offense. Colby Cave had a HDSC but was challenged by the speed of this game. Patrick Russell had a takeaway but was otherwise quiet.

LINE 4 Jujhar Khaira-Gaetan Haas-Sam Gagner played 4:09, going 2-1 Corsi, 2-0 shots, no goals and no HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira did great work along the wall, he is bringing solid play consistently of late. He had a shot and a HDSC. Haas scored his first NHL goal and was central to the Oilers getting a point.

OILERS 2019-20

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 17:45, going 24-9 Corsi, 14-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 6-1 HDSC.

Darnell Nurse had four shots, two takeaways and played well to my eye, save for his indecisiveness (that was bad) in overtime. Ethan Bear had a HDSC, three shots and a giveaway. The pair had the puck moving in the right direction most of the night.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Joel Persson played just 10:07, going 6-10 Corsi, 2-5 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-4 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom had one takeaway and five blocked shots, he was his usual self defensively. He had one shot on the power play, resulted in a brief chance for Nuge. Joel Persson played the second goal poorly, a penalty in that situation would have been satisfactory, and he struggled with Arizona’s speed throughout the game. That’s an issue in regard to his NHL future. Benched after the second goal.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Matt Benning played 10:06, going 4-5 Corsi, 1-2 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-0 HDSC.

Kris Russell had an assist, a giveaway and two shot blocks on the night. Matt Benning got his shot to the net for Haas’ tip and the tie. He also drew a penalty, played well.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen stopped 21 of 24, .875. The first goal should have been stopped, Haas’ goal bailed him out and then overtime was point blank.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic will join us to talk about last night’s game and possible recalls. Scott Mitchell, TSN’s Jays reporter has a look at the top 50 free agents and a starting pitcher acquisition (Chase Anderson) and the long road back to a respectable rotation. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    19/20
    EDM Goal Share after 16 games (10-4-2)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 19-9 (68%)
    McDavid Off Ice 12-19 (39%)
    Net EV = +3

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    12-9
    Net ST +3

    Empty Net
    2-3
    Net EN = -1

    SO & PS
    1-1
    SO & PS = Even

    Net Goal Differential +5

  2. Clarkenstein says:

    Interesting that Tippett called out a couple guys. I had high hopes for Persson but he needs more Condor time. Chiasson is proving last year was a one shot deal. I thought Tip would wait 20 games to go public to vent on some players. He’s seen enough of some of these guys. Still frustrating that 5 years into Connor’s career they haven’t found him another winger.

  3. giddy says:

    I really don’t understand the whole thing about letting players recklessly slash each other. Drai took basically a two-handed chop right in front of a ref and nothing. Neal spends half his shift hacking the other team.

    Adds nothing to the game but allow plugs to harm the play of stars. Don’t get it at all.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Since the lines were so jumbled last night, thought I’d post the individual CF% results.

    They came close to sawing off the 1st, got buried in the first ~10 min of the 2nd, then pushed back hard for the rest of the game.

    CF%
    1st (13-16) 43.5%
    2nd (11-8) 57.9%
    3rd (15-8) 65.2%

    Score effects in there, but they pushed back hard against a team that doesn’t give up much.

    Forwards:
    Player CF%
    Gaetan Haas 77.8
    Colby Cave 72.7
    Sam Gagner 71.4
    Markus Granlund 70.0
    Patrick Russell 62.5
    Jujhar Khaira 54.6
    Alex Chiasson 54.6
    Connor McDavid 48.4
    Leon Draisaitl 46.9
    Zack Kassian 44.4
    James Neal 43.5
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 42.3

    Darnell Nurse 69.2
    Ethan Bear 66.7
    Matthew Benning 46.7
    Joel Persson 37.5
    Oscar Klefbom 36.7
    Kris Russell 33.3

    Haas, Cave and Gagner looked like they wanted to stay in the NHL last night.

    Competition in the bottom 6 is good.

  5. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I still like Persson. Sometimes you make a risky play that doesn’t pay off.

  6. Pescador says:

    Wish we had another plug that could play with 97-29.
    Would like to see:
    M.Kass – RNH – Real Deal
    for a shift or 2.
    Pearson looked like a guy that recently suffered from a concussion.
    This is exactly what happened to Benning 2 seasons ago, when posters started bitching about him.
    Both would be better/best served on the 3rd pairing.
    Oilers need a 2RD, same as it ever was

  7. giddy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I still like Persson. Sometimes you make a risky play that doesn’t pay off.

    Me too. Nothing wrong with sending him down to Bakersfield though. Lots of good things there, but not ready yet. That is OK.

  8. Nit64 says:

    Western Conference Official NHL standings are Oil,Blues,Dys 1-2-3 as the Blues start a 2 night western swing in support of regressing the overachievers.

    Western Conference above Bettman .500

    +3 Oil,Blues, Dys
    +2.5 Preds, Yotes
    +2 Avs
    +1.5 Ducks, VGK
    +.5 Flames, Jets

  9. Nit64 says:

    Bruce et. al.

    NHL.com finally added RW. Do the leagues refs respond as quickly to your critiques?

  10. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Interesting that Tippett called out a couple guys. I had high hopes for Persson but he needs more Condor time. Chiasson is proving last year was a one shot deal.I thought Tip would wait 20 games to go public to vent on some players. He’s seen enough of some of these guys. Still frustrating that 5 years into Connor’s career they haven’t found him another winger.

    Chiasson’s 5v5 pts/60 last year by Month

    Oct – 3.92 – ridiculously hot
    Nov – 1.11 – 4th line rate
    Dec – 1.85 – 2nd line rate
    Jan – 0.89 – below replacement
    Feb – 0.00 – really?
    March/April – 1.47 – 3rd line production

    Full year: 1.25 pts/60 – 4th line rate. Basically the same as he’s been for his career.

    Here’s the thing about the Jan-Feb lack of production.

    He played 91% of this time in those months with one or more of 97, 29 and 93.

    Couldn’t piss a drop in two months with the best EDM has.

    We noted this at the time.

    EDM continues to make decisions based on unsustainable production.

    It has to be embarrassing for them when the average fan knew not to sign him for 2 years.

    Here’s a twitter thread from Feb 28/19 I wrote about it: https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1101248613844365312

  11. Oilpower says:

    I thought Edmonton played well enough. They didn’t give up much, koski should have had the first one, and rookie blue on the second goal. It will sure be nice to have Larson back on that second pairing!

  12. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It has to be embarrassing for them when the average fan knew not to sign him for 2 years

    Yup, shoulda been a 3 year deal.

  13. npanciroli says:

    You can’t send Persson to Bakersfield when Russell becomes your #2 RD.

  14. who says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I still like Persson. Sometimes you make a risky play that doesn’t pay off.

    How was that a risky play? It was a chip off the boards to keep a puck in. If he makes a firmer play the pucks behind the goal line and there is no 2 on 1. First rule of holding pucks in is to get it past the first guy.
    I think Persson has some puck skills.
    But I haven’t seen enough skill to make up for his lack of size and speed. I think his skating may keep him from ever becoming an NHL regular. He’s hanging on by a thread right now, and the Oilers have lots of young guys pushing.
    On the flip side, I think Haas is starting to establish himself as a player. He certainly has NHL speed, but the hands haven’t been there. So far.

  15. TheOrangeDesk says:

    Hi all,

    long-time lurker, infrequent poster. Love the blog though, such a great place to learn and converse.

    to me this team has two major issues:

    1. Chiasson: He isnt playing bad but he’s getting prime opportunities and wasting them, putting a drag on offense where other players could be making gains.

    2. playing Russell with Klefbom. Klef is our best (proven) Dman and its not close. Putting russell with him severely hampers his effectiveness. when these 2 are together other teams know the outlet will come from Oscar and pressure his side, so we are left with Russell just shooting it off the glass, giving possession back to opponents and preventing Oscars’ pairing from getting any offensive opps. I’d love to know the teams corsi for kleff w/ Russell vs Kleff w/o Russell.

    drive safe today everyone!

  16. frjohnk says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I still like Persson. Sometimes you make a risky play that doesn’t pay off.

    He made the right decision to try and use the boards in the Ozone to get the puck back in deep. Sometimes the opposing player makes a good play and we just have to give him props for that.

    It seems to me that the pace of the play for Persson has been too much for him, even before he got hurt. The pace is only going to ramp up as the season moves along. Larsson can not get back soon enough.

  17. 442 says:

    Oilpower,

    I am a bit more of a casual fan but I didn’t mind their game last night or for most of the season this year. It feel like every time I tune in they have some semblance of structure and competitiveness even if the ice seems tilted slightly. It always used to seem like a tire fire, even during some of the winning streaks.

  18. Neumann says:

    It sure would be nice to see one Right Hand shot on the PP at this moment. Seems teams have taken away all options for Nuge on the half wall and are effectively playing a 4v4.

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Yup, shoulda been a 3 year deal.

    Good morning Padre.

  20. Nit64 says:

    Oilpower:
    I thought Edmonton played well enough. They didn’t give up much, koski should have had the first one, and rookie blue on the second goal. It will sure be nice to have Larson back on that second pairing!

    ~ For a long while I thought regulation would end in a 1-1 Koski/Talbot style shutout. ~

  21. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Good morning Padre.

    Good morning to you sir

  22. godot10 says:

    npanciroli:
    You can’t send Persson to Bakersfield when Russell becomes your #2 RD.

    I don’t think the Oilers have a regulation loss with Persson in the lineup.** except the Chicago game, where he was concussed early.

    The Oilers were the same non-playoff team that they were for the last two years when Russell was back in the top four, when Persson was hurt.

    If Persson is a problem, Russell in the top 4 is a bigger one. If Persson is a problem, Larsson can’t get back soon enough.

  23. hunter1909 says:

    With the score favouring the Yotes with 5 minutes left I’m happy to collect the 1 point – more than happy as it was a brilliantly equal contest.

    1st place in the West and it’s November?

    Yes please and thank you Ma’am.

    PS: Lucic’s new team already 0-1 with him sitting out his 2 game sentence – proving just how integral he already has become to the success of the Flames.

  24. Bruce McCurdy says:

    TheOrangeDesk:
    Hi all,

    long-time lurker, infrequent poster. Love the blog though, such a great place to learn and converse.

    to me this team has two major issues:

    1. Chiasson: He isnt playing bad but he’s getting prime opportunities and wasting them, putting a drag on offense where other players could be making gains.

    2. playing Russell with Klefbom. Klef is our best (proven) Dman and its not close. Putting russell with him severely hampers his effectiveness. when these 2 are together other teams know the outlet will come from Oscar and pressure his side, so we are left with Russell just shooting it off the glass, giving possession back to opponents and preventing Oscars’ pairing from getting any offensive opps. I’d love to know the teams corsi for kleff w/ Russell vs Kleff w/o Russell.

    drive safe today everyone!

    Klefbom with Russell 43.0 CF%, Klefbom without 49.2%, Russell witout 46.8%
    BUT…

    klefbom with Russell 43.9% SF%, Klefbom without 43.5%. Russell without 49.0%

    Klef’s actual shot rates are atrocious, not helped by a series of iffy partners, right-side Russell among them. Russell has been doing fine otherwise, of course his time away from Klef has mostly been a) on the third pairing b) on his natural side c) with a steady partner in Benning.

    An eye opener all the same.

  25. godot10 says:

    TheOrangeDesk:

    2. playing Russell with Klefbom. Klef is our best (proven) Dman and its not close. Putting russell with him severely hampers his effectiveness. when these 2 are together other teams know the outlet will come from Oscar and pressure his side, so we are left with Russell just shooting it off the glass, giving possession back to opponents and preventing Oscars’ pairing from getting any offensive opps. I’d love to know the teams corsi for kleff w/ Russell vs Kleff w/o Russell.

    +100

  26. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Who do we blame for this signing?

  27. Eh Team says:

    npanciroli: You can’t send Persson to Bakersfield when Russell becomes your #2 RD.

    Yeah, Russell as 2RD doesn’t work. Perhaps it’s time for Jones.

  28. godot10 says:

    tileguy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Who do we blame for this signing?

    Florida sunshine. Florida taxes. South Beach nightlife. Salary cap room.

  29. TheOrangeDesk says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Klefbom with Russell 43.0 CF%, Klefbom without 49.2%, Russell witout 46.8%
    BUT…

    klefbom with Russell43.9% SF%, Klefbom without 43.5%. Russell without 49.0%

    Klef’s actual shot rates are atrocious, not helped by a series of iffy partners, right-side Russell among them. Russell has been doing fine otherwise, of course his time away from Klef has more stly been a) on the third pairing b) on his natural side c) with a steady partner in Benning.

    An eye opener all the same.

    Thanks Bruce!

    very interesting, I feel the defense is a solid top 4 RD from being very solid. lets hope Larson can come back and be that guy

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    frjohnk: Good morning to you sir

    I hope all is well in your world.

  31. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Who do we blame for this signing?

    I blame Laforge.

  32. Cassandra says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Chiasson’s 5v5 pts/60 last year by Month

    Oct – 3.92 – ridiculously hot
    Nov – 1.11 – 4th line rate
    Dec – 1.85 – 2nd line rate
    Jan – 0.89 – below replacement
    Feb – 0.00 – really?
    March/April– 1.47 – 3rd line production

    Full year: 1.25 pts/60 – 4th line rate.Basically the same as he’s been for his career.

    Here’s the thing about the Jan-Feb lack of production.

    He played 91% of this time in those months with one or more of 97, 29 and 93.

    Couldn’t piss a drop in two months with the best EDM has.

    We noted this at the time.

    EDM continues to make decisions based on unsustainable production.

    It has to be embarrassing for them when the average fan knew not to sign him for 2 years.

    Here’s a twitter thread from Feb 28/19 I wrote about it: https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1101248613844365312

    It was an obviously terrible move at the time. And yet most people here, in their fandom, defended it.

  33. Litke 94 says:

    Starting to agree with LT that something is a little off with Klefbom. Like a good racehorse with a little hitch in the step, he’s still doing the right things but just a touch slower w/ a bit more labour.

    Nuge is another curious case. I think his slow start goes beyond his troubled wingers. Hoping he fires up the jets soon and plays to the level that he showcased last year. Last year’s Nuge on this year’s team would be a MASSIVE boost.

    I get that Persson made a poor play on the second goal, but I am still high on the player. I think that you can do a lot worse than having him on your second pairing, if only to keep Russell on his natural side in the bottom pairing. Once Larsson returns, hopefully to pre-2017/18 levels, then a second pairing of Klef/Larsson isn’t bad at all. Persson can move to 7D with sprinkled starts to keep Larsson fresh and not overworked.

  34. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Would be best for Larsson to push Persson out of the starting 6. I haven’t been in love with Benning’s game this season.

  35. Professor Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I blame Laforge.

    He was one of the best Enterprise engineers.

  36. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    tileguy:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Who do we blame for this signing?

    – My take was they had something else lined up (Connolly?). but when that fell through, in order to show the fans they were doing stuff, Chiasson was signed late in the day 1

    – I recall reading a few weeks before that Chiasson had said he hadn’t heard from the Oilers, but he’d like to resign

    – No other team signs him for that: he wasn’t as good a scorer as Maroon, who was correctly not re-upped, and is who he is: can get hot when playing with generational talent, else just a guy

    – At worst he’s part of a trade next year if/when Benson/Marody/Kailer/Pool etc are ready: not the end of the world IMO

  37. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Would be best for Larsson to push Persson out of the starting 6. I haven’t been in love with Benning’s game this season.

    Klef-Larsson (goodish top-pair)
    Nurse-Bear (very good 2nd pair)
    Russell-Benning (amongst the best 3rd pair)

    – Not a player out of place IMO (well Bear but he partners well with Nurse)

    – Perrson/Manning can sub in, and the Jones Bouchard of the world get better appropriately

    – This is the first year I can remember where the team could lose a top-3 D and the world doesn’t come to an end, because they have more 2 to 5’s. The biggest reason for my optimism

  38. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    McDavid Off Ice 12-19 (39%)

    Getting better…

  39. jm363561 says:

    Clarkenstein:
    Interesting that Tippett called out a couple guys. I had high hopes for Persson but he needs more Condor time. Chiasson is proving last year was a one shot deal.I thought Tip would wait 20 games to go public to vent on some players. He’s seen enough of some of these guys. Still frustrating that 5 years into Connor’s career they haven’t found him another winger.

    A bit surprised Persson got called out. It seems he is being Jultzed asking him to play at 2RD with no experience on smaller rinks. It is Tippet’s call to play him there and not Benning. When Larsson returns he may get time in Bakersfield.

    Those Nurse / Bear numbers are something.

    Nuge… sigh.

  40. PinkSocks says:

    Cassandra: It was an obviously terrible move at the time.And yet most people here, in their fandom, defended it.

    I don’t recall a single person here defending that signing. It was dumb then, dumb today, and will be dumb until summer 2021.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wake up this morning to see the Oilers with the most points in the Western Conference – all alone in 1st – points percentage, blah!

    Tough game last night but the Oilers took over the last 2/5 of that game and came in waves – created many scoring chances against a tough team.

    Third game in a row a depth player scored a big goal.

    They got out-goaltended and still got a point against a good, tough and surging team.

    I’ll take it and more on.

    Larsson and Nygard and Sheahan and Archibald are coming……

  42. Bruce McCurdy says:

    More shot rates:

    Joel Persson, 119 minutes 5v5, 49 shots for, 72 against = +24.7 /-36.3 per 60. Ugh.

  43. ArmchairGM says:

    Pescador:
    Wish we had another plug that could play with 97-29.
    Would like to see:
    M.Kass – RNH – Real Deal
    for a shift or 2.
    Pearson looked like a guy that recently suffered from a concussion.
    This is exactly what happened to Benning 2 seasons ago, when posters started bitching about him.
    Both would be better/best served on the 3rd pairing.
    Oilers need a 2RD, same as it ever was

    We’ll have one in a few weeks. Meanwhile Benning and Persson should be able to survive there. I vote Benning gets a shot for a few games.

  44. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It has to be embarrassing for them when the average fan knew not to sign him for 2 years.

    To be fair, and with all due respect, you’re hardly an average fan.

  45. Brantford Boy says:

    Some Oilers content in the latest 31 Thoughts…
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-dustin-byfuglien-winnipeg-jets/

    “I’ve heard from a few people now that Holland gave a stirring speech the night before training camp began. Klefbom didn’t want to go deeply into it, although he did say that the GM “talked about how he’s won Stanley Cups, but isn’t satisfied and wants more.” (I believe a lot of the message was about Detroit’s path from NHL afterthought to Stanley Cup champion, and how Edmonton can follow the same path. From what I heard, players were willing to run through walls when it was over.)”

  46. leadfarmer says:

    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28006296/most-dreaded-road-trip-best-dressing-room-gritty-fatigue

    Yeay we have the best visitors locker room!!!

    Also 60% of players would play for Seattle in year 1. Would 60% of players want to play in Edmonton

  47. pts2pndr says:

    jm363561: A bit surprised Persson got called out. It seems he is being Jultzed asking him to play at 2RD with no experience on smaller rinks. It is Tippet’s call to play him there and not Benning. When Larsson returns he may get time in Bakersfield.

    Those Nurse / Bear numbers are something.

    Nuge…sigh.

    Benning is a third pairing D because his skating doesn’t allow him to play higher up.

  48. jm363561 says:

    pts2pndr: Benning is a third pairing D because his skating doesn’t allow him to play higher up.

    Well someone has to play over their pay grade at 2RD and Tipp chose a totally inexperienced Persson over Benning, a solid and experienced 3RD. Seems a bit tough to call him out. JMHO. Who do you think should be playing there in the circumstances? KRussell?

  49. ArmchairGM says:

    TheOrangeDesk: I’d love to know the teams corsi for kleff w/ Russell vs Kleff w/o Russell.

    2019-20
    Klefbom with Russell: 43.00 (114:10 TOI)
    Klefbom w/o Russell: 49.21 (164:54)

    2018-19
    Klefbom with Russell: 42.72 (59:21)
    Klefbom w/o Russell: 50.74 (1072:40)

    2017-18
    Klefbom with Russell: 49.19 (217:22)
    Klefbom w/o Russell: 52.06 (901:30)

  50. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: I don’t think the Oilers have a regulation loss with Persson in the lineup.** except the Chicago game, where he was concussed early.

    The Oilers were the same non-playoff team that they were for the last two years when Russell was back in the top four, when Persson was hurt.

    If Persson is a problem, Russell in the top 4 is a bigger one.If Persson is a problem, Larsson can’t get back soon enough.

    Benning can play top-4.

  51. Side says:

    leadfarmer:
    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28006296/most-dreaded-road-trip-best-dressing-room-gritty-fatigue

    Yeay we have the best visitors locker room!!!

    Also 60% of players would play for Seattle in year 1.Would 60% of players want to play in Edmonton

    Maybe:

    “7. Which road city do you dread the most?
    Winnipeg: 42%
    Buffalo: 34%
    Edmonton: 10%
    Calgary: 4%
    Ottawa: 4%
    Carolina [Raleigh, N.C.]: 4%
    Columbus: 2%”

  52. ArmchairGM says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Klefbom with Russell 43.0 CF%, Klefbom without 49.2%, Russell witout 46.8%
    BUT…

    klefbom with Russell43.9% SF%, Klefbom without 43.5%. Russell without 49.0%

    Klef’s actual shot rates are atrocious, not helped by a series of iffy partners, right-side Russell among them. Russell has been doing fine otherwise, of course his time away from Klef has mostly been a) on the third pairing b) on his natural side c) with a steady partner in Benning.

    An eye opener all the same.

    Then Tippett should run this pairing:

    http://naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2016-10-12&td=2019-04-06&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8476988&p2=8476472&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

  53. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    leadfarmer:
    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28006296/most-dreaded-road-trip-best-dressing-room-gritty-fatigue

    Yeay we have the best visitors locker room!!!

    Also 60% of players would play for Seattle in year 1.Would 60% of players want to play in Edmonton

    – This is the truth bomb: “”The visiting locker room is the best thing about going to Edmonton.”

    – I know it gets bandied about, and some take offence “Edmonton is a great city”

    – But this reality is part of the challenge that the Oilers have since the glory days: having to overpay and over term guys to come, in the absence of developing players who have no choice

  54. DocFan says:

    Trade Suggestion:

    Nic Petan + 3rd Rounder for JP.

    I think works nicely for both teams.

  55. YKOil says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Chiasson

    EDM continues to make decisions based on unsustainable production. It has to be embarrassing for them when the average fan knew not to sign him for 2 years.

    I find myself in the interesting position of having supported his signing, but being lukewarm about it at that rate.

    I also, at the time, supported a longer deal at less cash (I think I topped out at 4 yrs and $1.65m with the last two years being easy trade years due to contract structure).

    The reasoning was simple:

    a. actual NHL player and RW
    b. decent 2nd unit power play option
    c. contract could be buried, at low cost (roughly $500k), if it became problematic

    The contract structure, methinks, was 2.45 / 2.45 / 0.85 / 0.85 (1.65 AAV), making the last 2 years of the deal easier to move as the player was cheap in terms of real cost.

    Still don’t mind Chiasson as a player, still not fond of $2.15m, still relatively okay given it is only 2 years.

    Of note, Chiasson’s signing did lose some of its value when Neal was brought onto the team so maybe Holland should have waited Chiasson out a bit. May have lost him to another suitor or may have got him at a sub $2m price tag; infinite possibilities in alternate universes and all that.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nothing new here at all but Friedman provides the full quote from Jesse’s agent:

    9. The Karjala Cup is an international tournament beginning Thursday in Finland. There are at least two forwards closely watched by NHL teams: Finland’s Jesse Puljujarvi and Russia’s Konstantin Okulov. Edmonton GM Ken Holland is going, and last weekend, I asked Puljuajrvi’s rep, Markus Lehto, via text if the winger would consider returning to the Oilers now that things seem calmer. Lehto was very polite, complimenting Edmonton’s early-season success, but said a new address remains the preferred option.

    “Jesse’s unwillingness to return has nothing to do with current coaches, management, the team, fans or the city,” Lehto wrote. “Like I have said multiple times, Jesse has just asked for a change of scenery and to get a fresh start somewhere else. Nothing wrong with that considering the past three seasons. It is very difficult for me to see that he would return there all of a sudden now…. If things don’t work out now with the right team and best possible fit, there is nothing wrong (with playing) the whole season in Europe.”

    ——————————————-

    He also notes that the Oilers are likely to take a “run at” Konstantin Okulov but the Habs are the front-runners.

  57. McSorley33 says:

    PinkSocks: I don’t recall a single person here defending that signing. It was dumb then, dumb today, and will be dumb until summer 2021.

    I was not one of them defending the signing….but there were lots of people in here defending the signing.

    Alex was 4th in forward scoring on the team. At 22 goals – he was producing when others
    were waving there sticks around with 0’s.

    One of my favourite posters Ryan was taking some serious heat for correctly ridiculing the signing, if memory serves.

  58. ArmchairGM says:

    DocFan:
    Trade Suggestion:

    Nic Petan + 3rd Rounder for JP.

    I think works nicely for both teams.

    Pretty sure Holland is looking for someone with a little more upside. What do you see in Petan anyhow?

  59. McSorley33 says:

    DocFan:
    Trade Suggestion:

    Nic Petan + 3rd Rounder for JP.

    I think works nicely for both teams.

    Could have had Petan for free…..JP for a waiver wire claim?

  60. Bag of Pucks says:

    If I’m Tippett, RNH is another player getting blowback in the postgame presser.

    Extremely meh effort on the backcheck for the OT goal.

    Not sure why Nuge should be immune to criticism on a GWG against. By my eye, there was not the necessary hustle coming back and if the reality is he simply couldn’t match Schmalrz’s speed, then he shouldn’t be out there for that matchup.

  61. Darth Tu says:

    YKOil: I find myself in the interesting position of having supported his signing, but being lukewarm about it at that rate.

    I also, at the time, supported a longer deal at less cash (I think I topped out at 4 yrs and $1.65m with the last two years being easy trade years due to contract structure).

    The reasoning was simple:

    a. actual NHL player and RW
    b. decent 2nd unit power play option
    c. contract could be buried, at low cost (roughly $500k), if it became problematic

    The contract structure, methinks, was 2.45 / 2.45 / 0.85 / 0.85 (1.65 AAV), making the last 2 years of the deal easier to move as the player was cheap in terms of real cost.

    Still don’t mind Chiasson as a player, still not fond of $2.15m, still relatively okay given it is only 2 years.

    Of note, Chiasson’s signing did lose some of its value when Neal was brought onto the team so maybe Holland should have waited Chiasson out a bit.May have lost him to another suitor or may have got him at a sub $2m price tag; infinite possibilities in alternate universes and all that.

    I’m in the same boat. I wasn’t wowed by the signing but wasn’t against it either. I thought he would serve as a decent stopgap before Yamo and (please come back and score 30 goals next season) Puljujarvi arrived. The $2.15 mill cap hit was a tad on the high side for what he brings to the table, but as you say, at least it’s only 2 years.

  62. oilersfan says:

    i put the OT goal way more on Nurse than Nuge. To properly play a 2 on 1 you cheat to defend the one who does not have the puck , allowing the shooter to have a clear shot at the goalie, but since the shooter only has half the net to shoot at, with the other player and defender taking away the far side, it is usually an easy save for the goalie…much easier than a cross ice one timer going top shelf, anyway.

    Nuge was skating back applying pressure on the puck carrier, who had a several stride lead so would have been hard for Nuge to catch him

    Why neal is ever out in OT makes no sense. Better Haas or somebody with speed.

  63. McSorley33 says:

    I like Tippett and I cannot complain at the results so far….but I am not sure
    what calling out Chiasson and Persson is about?

    You put Chiasson in the top 6 what – exactly – were you expecting?

    Persson – his skating is going to be a concern playing in the top 4 D with
    good / fast teams.

    Again, not sure what calling him out will help there.

  64. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If I’m Tippett, RNH is another player getting blowback in the postgame presser.

    Extremely meh effort on the backcheck for the OT goal.

    Not sure why Nuge should be immune to criticism on a GWG against. By my eye, there was not the necessary hustle coming back and if the reality he simply couldn’t match Schmalrz’s speed, then he shouldn’t be out there for that matchup.

    I thought RNH should’ve taken the pass option, he was too far behind Schmaltz. Nurse seemingly took neither. Both were at fault IMO.

  65. McSorley33 says:

    I agree completely with the people criticizing putting Neal out there for 3 x 3 OT…..here is the problem, who else do you put out there with RNH then?

    It’s the Roster.

  66. HT Joe says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – But this reality is part of the challenge that the Oilers have since the glory days: having to overpay and over term guys to come, in the absence of developing players who have no choice

    I’ll worry legitimately about Edmonton’s reputation as a city when the Oilers stop trading for Reinhart’s, trading away Halls, trading for Spooners and making a plethora of moves not related to winning.

    For a moment, forget about the frozen tundra and the fact that children are forced to use dog sleds to get to school 11 months of the year. Chia made terrible franchise-limiting moves in his first two off-seasons and was still permitted to run the club further into the ground for years. That’s not on Edmonton… that’s on weak ownership and management.

  67. Bag of Pucks says:

    oilersfan:
    i put the OT goal way more on Nurse than Nuge. To properly play a 2 on 1 you cheat to defend the one who does not have the puck , allowing the shooter to have a clear shot at the goalie,but since the shooter only has half the net to shoot at, with the other player and defender taking away the far side, it is usually an easy save for the goalie…much easier than a cross ice one timer going top shelf, anyway.

    Nuge was skating back applying pressure on the puck carrier, who had a several stride lead so would have been hard for Nuge to catch him

    Why neal is ever out in OT makes no sense. Better Haas or somebody with speed.

    Pressure? What pressure?

    He was nearly even with Schmaltz when he took possession in the Oilers zone and Nuge lollygagged all the way back. He made it way too easy for Schmaltz to execute that pass.

    Once Schmaltz got that first step on him, he never made the effort to close the gap. Likely he was gassed. But if that’s the case, he should’ve been staying on the right side of the puck in the Ozone instead of letting 2 players get behind him.

    Poor two way play from RNH. Full stop. Rightfully deserves the minus.

  68. godot10 says:

    jm363561: Well someone has to play over their pay grade at 2RD and Tipp chose a totally inexperienced Perssonover Benning, a solid and experienced 3RD. Seems a bit tough to call him out. JMHO. Who do you think should be playing there in the circumstances? KRussell?

    Persson struggling at #2RD and Benning acing #3RD is better than Benning failing at #2RD and Persson struggling at #3RD (because he would be defending all the time playing with Russell).

    Persson has help at #2RD…Klefbom. He would have an anchor at #3RD…Russell.

  69. godot10 says:

    DocFan:
    Trade Suggestion:

    Nic Petan + 3rd Rounder for JP.

    I think works nicely for both teams.

    That is like giving him away.

  70. slopitch says:

    I still see Ottawa as the best fit for JP. I will say it till it happens.

    JP + Chiasson for Pageau + 2nd

    Call up Benson (maybe Yamo too?) at Christmas. Leave Bouchard in AHL all year unless his numbers start to spike.

    Klef-Larsson
    Nurse-Bear
    Russell-Benning

    29-97-89
    18-93-44
    Benson-Pageau-52
    16-91-12

    Bear has done wonders for the depth on this team.

    I think that lineup could get 45+% GF with McDavid off. Maybe more. Pageau is 7.40 CF%RC vs elite and plays 48% of his time vs elite. He’d be a steal to get and its likely Ottawa wont move him so this post is a waste of my time 😀

    Then at the deadline you flip Neal + the 2020 1st to New Jersey for Hall 😀

  71. godot10 says:

    oilersfan:
    i put the OT goal way more on Nurse than Nuge. To properly play a 2 on 1 you cheat to defend the one who does not have the puck , allowing the shooter to have a clear shot at the goalie,but since the shooter only has half the net to shoot at, with the other player and defender taking away the far side, it is usually an easy save for the goalie…much easier than a cross ice one timer going top shelf, anyway.

    Nuge was skating back applying pressure on the puck carrier, who had a several stride lead so would have been hard for Nuge to catch him

    Why neal is ever out in OT makes no sense. Better Haas or somebody with speed.

    Another interpretation.

    Nugent-Hopkins should have went after the trailer, since Nurse had the guy with the puck.

    Neal is a bad option on in the OT, and it was probably his fault, because he was out of the picture, when he should have been in it.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of note, as its been all year (I think every time), the Oilers got the starter last night and the flames get the back-up tonight (presumably).

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    Since the lines were so jumbled last night, thought I’d post the individual CF% results.

    They came close to sawing off the 1st, got buried in the first ~10 min of the 2nd, then pushed back hard for the rest of the game.

    CF%
    1st (13-16) 43.5%
    2nd (11-8) 57.9%
    3rd (15-8) 65.2%

    Score effects in there, but they pushed back hard against a team that doesn’t give up much.

    Forwards:
    PlayerCF%
    Gaetan Haas77.8
    Colby Cave72.7
    Sam Gagner71.4
    Markus Granlund70.0
    Patrick Russell62.5
    Jujhar Khaira54.6
    Alex Chiasson54.6
    Connor McDavid48.4
    Leon Draisaitl46.9
    Zack Kassian44.4
    James Neal43.5
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins42.3

    Darnell Nurse69.2
    Ethan Bear66.7
    Matthew Benning46.7
    Joel Persson37.5
    Oscar Klefbom36.7
    Kris Russell33.3

    Haas, Cave and Gagner looked like they wanted to stay in the NHL last night.

    Competition in the bottom 6 is good.

    Cave had his second best game of his 30 plus game Oiler career – except for that awful line change.

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pescador:
    Wish we had another plug that could play with 97-29.
    Would like to see:
    M.Kass – RNH – Real Deal
    for a shift or 2.

    Matt Kassian’s last NHL game was 2014 – he should be rested……

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy: Chiasson’s 5v5 pts/60 last year by Month

    Oct – 3.92 – ridiculously hot
    Nov – 1.11 – 4th line rate
    Dec – 1.85 – 2nd line rate
    Jan – 0.89 – below replacement
    Feb – 0.00 – really?
    March/April– 1.47 – 3rd line production

    Full year: 1.25 pts/60 – 4th line rate.Basically the same as he’s been for his career.

    Here’s the thing about the Jan-Feb lack of production.

    He played 91% of this time in those months with one or more of 97, 29 and 93.

    Couldn’t piss a drop in two months with the best EDM has.

    We noted this at the time.

    EDM continues to make decisions based on unsustainable production.

    It has to be embarrassing for them when the average fan knew not to sign him for 2 years.

    Here’s a twitter thread from Feb 28/19 I wrote about it: https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1101248613844365312

    I was very much against Chiasson getting the shot at 1RW last night given what we saw last year.

    At the same time, I’m not sure the following statement applies to this decision:

    “EDM continues to make decisions based on unsustainable production.”

    From Coach T, this was really just a shot at trying to “get Chiasson going” and I don’t think the coach will be going back to it any time soon.

  76. Buddy says:

    I liked the idea of Nurse and Bear with Nuge for the D zone FO in OT. I would have left them out instead of swapping in Neal. The main task of Nuge’s trio has to be to simply not get scored on so that 97 and 29 can have a breather. Who to play with Nuge in 3 on 3 has been a problem for years. Why not two D?

  77. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I was very much against Chiasson getting the shot at 1RW last night given what we saw last year.

    At the same time, I’m not sure the following statement applies to this decision:

    “EDM continues to make decisions based on unsustainable production.”

    From Coach T, this was really just a shot at trying to “get Chiasson going” and I don’t think the coach will be going back to it any time soon.

    I’m pretty sure that WG was referring to signing that contract not playing him at 1RW.

    It’s a good thread to look back at:

    https://lowetide.ca/2019/07/01/thunder-road-2/comment-page-2/#comments

  78. DocFan says:

    godot10,

    I doubt we get much for JP – He’ll be gone by Dec 1.
    Petan is a possible 3C option, young, under control, cost controlled as well.

    Pageau is too expensive and no one is going to take Chiasson off our hands until he actually starts scoring.

    I don’t think Petan ends up on the waiver wire – Dubas likely arranges a trade before giving him up for free.

  79. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – This is the truth bomb: “”The visiting locker room is the best thing about going to Edmonton.”

    – I know it gets bandied about, and some take offence “Edmonton is a great city”

    – But this reality is part of the challenge that the Oilers have since the glory days: having to overpay and over term guys to come, in the absence of developing players who have no choice

    I don’t think resigning players has been an issue here. Signing high priced UFAs is never a solution. The problem in Edmonton has been the notion that UFAs can replace draft and develop.

  80. who says:

    ArmchairGM: Benning can play top-4.

    No he can’t.
    3 NHL coaches have come to this conclusion. That’s why Russell keeps ending up at 2RD.

  81. Justthestatsman says:

    godot10: Another interpretation.

    Nugent-Hopkins should have went after the trailer, since Nurse had the guy with the puck.

    Neal is a bad option on in the OT, and it was probably his fault, because he was out of the picture, when he should have been in it.

    If Nuge couldn’t catch the puck carrier, I don’t think he could have gotten to the trailer, since the trailer was already 15′ to his left. Still deserves the minus as someone pointed out but I don’t think he was dogging it on the play. I think he got caught at the end of a shift and was just gassed.

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    npanciroli:
    You can’t send Persson to Bakersfield when Russell becomes your #2 RD.

    I assume the premise is upon Larsson’s return to the lineup.

    We may see Russell at 2RD next game if the coach healthy scratches Persson – ugh.

    If he does decide to healthy scratch Persson (without calling up Jones or Lagesson), then I at least hope he elevates Benning:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Benning
    Manning/Russell

  83. who says:

    Bag of Pucks: Pressure? What pressure?

    He was nearly even with Schmaltz when he took possession in the Oilers zone and Nuge lollygagged all the way back. He made it way too easy for Schmaltz to execute that pass.

    Once Schmaltz got that first step on him, he never made the effort to close the gap. Likely he was gassed. But if that’s the case, he should’ve been staying on the right side of the puck in the Ozone instead of letting 2 players get behind him.

    Poor two way play from RNH. Full stop. Rightfully deserves the minus.

    Maybe you’re right, but of the 3 players on the ice, Nuge was the least at fault on that goal.
    Defending at 3 on 3 is all about staying with your man. All over the ice. Schmaltz was Neals guy, and he lost him 200 ft from the Oilers net. He was never able to recover. Because he’s too slow to be out there at 3 on 3.
    Nuge came off his guy to cover for Neal. He was a step or two behind right from the get go. Schmaltz can skate by the way. It’s not like Nuge was chasing down some plug.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Jack Michaels, this is what we are seeing at practice:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Gagner
    Neal-RNH-Kassian
    Jurco-Haas-Chiasson
    Khaira-Cave-P. Russell

    No surprised to see Granlund demoted – he had a couple plus games but regressed last night

    A bit disappointed not to see any of Sheahan, Archie or Nygard on the four lines – hope they are each ready soon.

    Gagner looked OK when he got elevated last night – he thinks the game well enough for the top line but he is really slow – it was noticeable on the cycle a few times last night.

    I would be fine with switching Sam with either Jurco or even Khaira (if they can play right wing) but it is what it is.

    Of course, this may not be what we see for the game tomorrow – especially with 3 forwards “getting close”

  85. Munny says:

    Tippett’s comment on Persson was that he didn’t have it tonight.

    Not that he doesn’t have it at all.

    He might have felt that he was brought back from injury a little too early, or it was just a bad game.

    There’s a chance he’s scratched for the Blues, esp. if they put it on the injury return, but Tippett also knows Persson can’t adjust to the NHL without reps. We’ll see.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Neumann:
    It sure would be nice to see one Right Hand shot on the PP at this moment. Seems teams have taken away all options for Nuge on the half wall and are effectively playing a 4v4.

    I think Bear’s PP time may be coming once Larsson returns and Bear’s PK minutes can be reduced.

  87. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Jurco has played RW in the past.

  88. Munny says:

    Chiasson’s value, and thus the value of his contract is severely reduced by not running a second PP unit.

  89. dustrock says:

    I thought we didn’t like it when coaches called out players in the media

  90. Eh Team says:

    Justthestatsman: Nuge couldn’t catch the puck carrier, I don’t think he could have gotten to the trailer, since the trailer was already 15′ to his left. Still deserves the minus as someone pointed out but I don’t think he was dogging it on the play. I think he got caught at the end of a shift and was just gassed.

    At that point the problem was how Nurse played the 2 on 1. He needed to take the pass away and let Koskinen have the shooter.

  91. Munny says:

    godot10: Another interpretation.
    Nugent-Hopkins should have went after the trailer, since Nurse had the guy with the puck.
    Neal is a bad option on in the OT, and it was probably his fault, because he was out of the picture, when he should have been in it.

    Neal was caught going the other way when the puck bounced over his stick. No one makes it back from that unless their names are McD or MacK.

    Nuge was harassing the puck carrier.

    Nurse’s job was to cut off the pass but he cheated to the puck carrier. If anyone’s at fault it’s Nurse.

    ____________________________

    Strangely, there’s been a lot of argument today about a 3 on 3 OT goal. Nurse did not play it superbly that’s fer sure, but there isn’t a defenseman in this League who hasn’t looked bad in OT at one time or another. Hockey is a rediculously hard game to defend when there’s a surplus of speed and space.

    Why are we talking about that goal and not the other two?

    OT is essentially a 50-50 proposition… the trick is to not let it get there. Or… have your stars score in their 90 second long opening shift.

  92. Munny says:

    DocFan:
    Trade Suggestion:

    Nic Petan + 3rd Rounder for JP.

    I think works nicely for both teams.

    I don’t think this is as nuts as some here are intimating. I’d bet good money Dubas and Holly have talked,

    But while we can always use a skilled forward, I don’t know that Pujo is what the Laffs are seeking out of this. Nor is Petan really an ideal fit for Edmonton… he’s a younger smaller Gagner.

    Also, pretty sure we’d want to send another body their way to make the number of contracts work.

    Petan on the market though does not help the sale of Pujo.

    LT was very high on Petan in his draft year. Sparkling numbers in Vancouver. And of course he just kicked the balls off the A over the weekend.

  93. Nit64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nothing new here at all but Friedman provides the full quote from Jesse’s agent:

    9. The Karjala Cup is an international tournament beginning Thursday in Finland. There are at least two forwards closely watched by NHL teams: Finland’s Jesse Puljujarvi and Russia’s Konstantin Okulov. Edmonton GM Ken Holland is going, and last weekend, I asked Puljuajrvi’s rep, Markus Lehto, via text if the winger would consider returning to the Oilers now that things seem calmer. Lehto was very polite, complimenting Edmonton’s early-season success, but said a new address remains the preferred option.

    “Jesse’s unwillingness to return has nothing to do with current coaches, management, the team, fans or the city,” Lehto wrote. “Like I have said multiple times, Jesse has just asked for a change of scenery and to get a fresh start somewhere else. Nothing wrong with that considering the past three seasons. It is very difficult for me to see that he would return there all of a sudden now…. If things don’t work out now with the right team and best possible fit, there is nothing wrong (with playing) the whole season in Europe.”

    ——————————————-

    He also notes that the Oilers are likely to take a “run at” Konstantin Okulov but the Habs are the front-runners.

    Site protocol is short extracts (a few screen lines) not full quotes from that point. Also link to the original.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: I don’t think the Oilers have a regulation loss with Persson in the lineup.** except the Chicago game, where he was concussed early.

    The Oilers were the same non-playoff team that they were for the last two years when Russell was back in the top four, when Persson was hurt.

    If Persson is a problem, Russell in the top 4 is a bigger one.If Persson is a problem, Larsson can’t get back soon enough.

    I, and I think most, agree.

    Persson being able to “handle” the 2RD minutes being zoomed by the team’s top d-man in Klefbom (no disrespect to Nurse) has been material.

    We saw what happened when Persson went down and Russell moved up to play 2RD – 9 goals scored in 7 games.

    The fact that Persson is struggling a bit with some tougher teams that play faster and forecheck hard is not surprising but it is a big deal.

    I think the coach will go back to Russell at 2RD and that is a very bad result.

    Come on Joel, hang on buddy and, come on Adam, heal up quickly!

  95. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Eh Team: At that point the problem was how Nurse played the 2 on 1.He needed to take the pass away and let Koskinen have the shooter.

    The way Klefbom did on Soderberg goal, you mean?

  96. Munny says:

    Nit64,

    Link is in a post higher up. But yes should have been about the statement, or just Lehto’s direct quote.

  97. Jethro Tull says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Nothing new here at all but Friedman provides the full quote from Jesse’s agent:

    9. The Karjala Cup is an international tournament beginning Thursday in Finland. There are at least two forwards closely watched by NHL teams: Finland’s Jesse Puljujarvi and Russia’s Konstantin Okulov. Edmonton GM Ken Holland is going, and last weekend, I asked Puljuajrvi’s rep, Markus Lehto, via text if the winger would consider returning to the Oilers now that things seem calmer. Lehto was very polite, complimenting Edmonton’s early-season success, but said a new address remains the preferred option.

    “Jesse’s unwillingness to return has nothing to do with current coaches, management, the team, fans or the city,” Lehto wrote. “Like I have said multiple times, Jesse has just asked for a change of scenery and to get a fresh start somewhere else. Nothing wrong with that considering the past three seasons. It is very difficult for me to see that he would return there all of a sudden now…. If things don’t work out now with the right team and best possible fit, there is nothing wrong (with playing) the whole season in Europe.”

    ——————————————-

    He also notes that the Oilers are likely to take a “run at” Konstantin Okulov but the Habs are the front-runners.

    That’s bullshit (not your post, Jessie’s non-reasons).

    So, he’s basically refusing to report to the team or it’s affiliate? He pretty much said it has nothing to do with anything or anyone, but he wants a “change of scenery”. At least have the integrity to say “I wasn’t happy with x or y or z” so I want to leave. We might not have agreed with his reasons, but we could have tried to understand them.

    I tried empathizing with him, but he has to be honest with us and himself.

    Bollocks to him and his agent.

  98. Nit64 says:

    Munny:
    Nit64,

    Link is in a post higher up.But yes should have been about the statement, or just Lehto’s direct quote.

    Missed the link. But LT was clear. A few screen lines at most. Not multiple paragaphs. He does not want to cannabilize traffic.

  99. Jethro Tull says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The way Klefbom did on Soderberg goal, you mean?

    There was more than one factor in each goal, but Koski, while making some good saves, probably should have had all three of those.

    But we can’t win without run support, no matter how good the goalies are.

  100. Munny says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The way Klefbom did on Soderberg goal, you mean?

    Soderberg’s play last night really surprised me. He’s an expensive as hell 4th liner, but can obviously kick out the jams against weaker OPP. He’s played a lot of 2nd line in his career and his contract reflects that, but while he’s been meh in the top 6, he certainly provides value in the bottom 6.

  101. Nit64 says:

    Jethro Tull: I tried empathizing with him, but he has to be honest with us and himself.

    Good on him enjoying his gap year. If he likes the NHL welcome to our training camp next fall.

  102. Jethro Tull says:

    Nit64: Site protocol is short extracts (a few screen lines) not full quotes from that point. Also link to the original.

    Site protocol is also full quotes for context. Surely you wouldn’t want anything misunderstood? I think Elliott’s safe from us.

  103. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I think it likely behooves the agent to not provide details, doesn’t it? He’s looking to get his client moved, not assuage the fans of the team his player wants to move from. Don’t want to give other GMs a reason not to trade…

  104. Munny says:

    Jethro Tull,

    The link is provided to give full context.

  105. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If I’m Tippett, RNH is another player getting blowback in the postgame presser.

    Extremely meh effort on the backcheck for the OT goal.

    Not sure why Nuge should be immune to criticism on a GWG against. By my eye, there was not the necessary hustle coming back and if the reality is he simply couldn’t match Schmalrz’s speed, then he shouldn’t be out there for that matchup.

    Not quite immune. I wrote this in the player grades:

    “… made a critical mistake in overtime when he took a bad route to the puck and was beaten on a sharp cut by Nick Schmaltz deep in Arizona territory, then was unable to overtake his opponent on the rink-length footrace that followed.”

    I didn’t like the play of any of the 3 skaters on that OT goal, as discussed at some length by others in this thread and by my own comments on the other 2 players in the linked post (& the CoH podcast). To suggest Nuge was harrassing Schmaltz on the play is a bit of an overstatement, both guys seemed to be skating at average speed & after being beaten badly on the original move Nuge never came close to closing any of the gap, which allowed Schmaltz to make the play he wanted to when he wanted to. It was a 34-second shift so the “tired” excused doesn’t cut it either.

    Which doesn’t explain Nurse taking his stick out of the passing lane, or Neal’s fumble of the puck & lame pursuit of it. Just a bad play all around, magnified by all the open ice in 3v3.

    Love Nuge, but sure didn’t love that sequence.

  106. Bruce McCurdy says:

    ArmchairGM: Then Tippett should run this pairing:

    http://naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20172018&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2016-10-12&td=2019-04-06&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8476988&p2=8476472&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

    Makes sense to me. That duo has always looked pretty good to my eye. But Benning seems to be locked in at 13 minutes a night no matter what happens above him in the line-up.

  107. Reja says:

    Munny:
    Chiasson’s value, and thus the value of his contract is severely reduced by not running a second PP unit.

    I don’t think or it’s been a while since I’ve seen a team run a No 1 PP for almost the full 2 all the time in the NHL, maybe the Nordiques. I keep flashing back to the Russians doing it in the eighties.

  108. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bruce McCurdy,

    Thanks Bruce. The immune aside was in relation to a lack of criticism here on the board.

    I know you hold these guys to a high standard with your game grades and don’t play favourites. 👍

  109. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If I’m Tippett, RNH is another player getting blowback in the postgame presser.

    Extremely meh effort on the backcheck for the OT goal.

    Not sure why Nuge should be immune to criticism on a GWG against. By my eye, there was not the necessary hustle coming back and if the reality is he simply couldn’t match Schmalrz’s speed, then he shouldn’t be out there for that matchup.

    Check out Nurse’s positioning:

    https://twitter.com/Nines99Nick/status/1191579412082200581?s=19

    We’re getting to “1 year of experience 5 years in a row” territory here.

  110. Eh Team says:

    Bruce McCurdy: The way Klefbom did on Soderberg goal, you mean?

    Yep, that shot was a lot more ‘saveable’ that the OT winner.

  111. Bag of Pucks says:

    who: Maybe you’re right, but of the 3 players on the ice, Nuge was the least at fault on that goal.
    Defending at 3 on 3 is all about staying with your man. All over the ice. Schmaltz was Neals guy, and he lost him 200 ft from the Oilers net. He was never able to recover. Because he’s too slow to be out there at 3 on 3.
    Nuge came off his guy to cover for Neal. He was a step or two behind right from the get go. Schmaltz can skate by the way. It’s not like Nuge was chasing down some plug.

    RNH was the one player who could have directly nullified the 2 on 1 with a better backcheck.

  112. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Check out Nurse’s positioning:

    https://twitter.com/Nines99Nick/status/1191579412082200581?s=19

    We’re getting to “1 year of experience 5 years in a row” territory here.

    Doesn’t absolve RNH for the lazy back check.

  113. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock:
    I thought we didn’t like it when coaches called out players in the media

    Tippett was asked specifically about the players, he didn’t bring them up.

    I thought he was fairly diplomatic, but couldn’t hide his disappointment with Chiasson.

  114. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: Doesn’t absolve RNH for the lazy back check.

    Perhaps RNH could have caught him entirely but he is next to him in the pic.

    Nurse is no where and did nothing.

    It’s also worth noting that Nurse forcing a pass to Nuge who had 2 Coyotes on him at the time Is what caused the turn over in the first place.

    2 bad decisions in a space of 15 seconds and it’s in the net.

  115. Bag of Pucks says:

    This the behaviour that always gets the Oilers in trouble btw

    With a new HC, they always start off comiitted to the backcheck and supporting the D with makeable outlet passes and puck support. And then the bad habits start to creep in.

    Slow getting back. Drifting around the blueline instead of marking the slot. Fleeing the zone before the D fully establishes possession. Not outmanning the opposition in the defensive zone.

    This is the kind of stuff Tippett has to nip in the bud fast.

  116. Nit64 says:

    Jethro Tull: Site protocol is also full quotes for context. Surely you wouldn’t want anything misunderstood?

    Here’s the C3PO:

    Lowetide: Nit64: LT also has a 24 hour wait rule on quotes. I bend it occasionally. I don’t think a super short quote and a link to Bruce would go amiss.

    Yeah, three lines of quote (kind of a sample) and a link is allowable I have been told. In the case of Bruce, I think we all assume (and OP may have) that everyone reading this blog is also heading over to read Bruce. A link always clears things up. For next time.

  117. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Check out Nurse’s positioning:

    https://twitter.com/Nines99Nick/status/1191579412082200581?s=19

    We’re getting to “1 year of experience 5 years in a row” territory here.

    That picture lies about the nature of the bad play and bad decisions on that play. Look at the video.

  118. Bank Shot says:

    Everyone is talking about who did what wrong on the 3 on 3 goal against.

    I’d argue that the bigger issue is that the Oilers don’t even have 4 forwards that the coach trusts to play in that situation.

    Tippet put out two defencemen for the own zone draw and only threw Neal over the boards when the play was going the other way.

    If not Neal, who else are you going to put out there with Nuge?

    Maybe Kassian is a better bet because he can at least skate.

  119. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Perhaps RNH could have caught him entirely but he is next to him in the pic.

    Nurse is no where and did nothing.

    It’s also worth noting that Nurse forcing a pass to Nuge who had 2 Coyotes on him at the time Is what caused the turn over in the first place.

    2 bad decisions in a space of 15 seconds and it’s in the net.

    Why would Nuge get any points for being ‘in the picture?’

    Does a DB get points for staying close when a WR beats him deep?

    You either do your job or you don’t. As Bruce said, all 3 Oilers made errors on that shift but there’s always a rush to defend RNH, even going so far as to say he tried but he was tired.

    It’s pro hockey ffs. Excuses are for losers.

  120. ChiliChunk says:

    DocFan: I don’t think Petan ends up on the waiver wire – Dubas likely arranges a trade before giving him up for free.

    He was already waived and passed through unclaimed earlier in the year

  121. Eh Team says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It’s also worth noting that Nurse forcing a pass to Nuge who had 2 Coyotes on him at the time Is what caused the turn over in the first place.

    This was the real cause of the goal. Gave up possession on a low % play, and it led to a break the other way. Possession is everything on a 3 on 3, and it needs to lead to a high quality chance.

  122. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Check out Nurse’s positioning:

    https://twitter.com/Nines99Nick/status/1191579412082200581?s=19

    We’re getting to “1 year of experience 5 years in a row” territory here.

    You must have missed all the sign him to a 7mil-8 mil a year contract for his points production talk here.

  123. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: Why would Nuge get any points for being ‘in the picture?’

    Does a DB get points for staying close when a WR beats him deep?

    You either do your job or you don’t. As Bruce said, all 3 Oilers made errors on that shift but there’s always a rush to defend RNH, even going so far as to say he tried but he was tired.

    It’s pro hockey ffs. Excuses are for losers.

    Of all of the players on the Oilers who have issues with effort or backchecking, Nuge is near the bottom of my list.

    We have seen Nuge make some huge efforts in previous OTs. Not sure why you are so upset about this seemingly one off situation for Nuge.

    Did Nuge give you a wedgie recently?

  124. Cassandra says:

    Chiasson is proving what Lucic proved before him, don’t evaluate players based on power play opportunity and playing time.

    Lucic didn’t play worse his second and third seasons. He was always that bad.

    Chiasson’s points last year weren’t real. They happened but giving credit to him for them was always a mistake.

    Baseline should always be 5v5 pts/60. Then adjust for teammates.

  125. leadfarmer says:

    For what we are likely to get for JP just keep him in Europe until the expansion draft and let Seattle have him.

  126. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: Of all of the players on the Oilers who have issues with effort or backchecking, Nuge is near the bottom of my list.

    We have seen Nuge make some huge efforts in previous OTs. Not sure why you are so upset about this seemingly one off situation for Nuge.

    Did Nuge give you a wedgie recently?

    He didn’t do his job on the play.

    I’d be saying the same thing if his name was McDavid, Hall or Gretzky.

  127. leadfarmer says:

    Cassandra,

    We all didnt like the contract. We get why Holland did it. He was desperate for a scorer and hoped throwing money at Chaisson would fix the issue. Wasnt a good decision but not something that we are stuck with for years and years

  128. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: He didn’t do his job on the play.

    I’d be saying the same thing if his name was McDavid, Hall or Gretzky.

    I guess I am just curious why I don’t see you saying the same thing about McDavid, Hall, Gretzky, Draisaitl, whoever on a regular basis.

    Nuge wasn’t the only one who made a mistake in yesterday’s game. Not sure why you are so heated about Nuge in this case.

    Didn’t Drai have his pocket picked on the first goal against? Where is the Drai rage?!

  129. Nit64 says:

    leadfarmer:
    For what we are likely to get for JP just keep him in Europe until the expansion draft and let Seattle have him.

    The 60% solution.

  130. Durag says:

    I think Chiasson was signed as insurance for the PP in case Neal’s case of Calgaryitis was terminal.

  131. Bag of Pucks says:

    The bias is real and it’s obvious.

    If that was Khaira, Gagner, Kassian, hell even Draisaitl, they’d get the criticism that poor backcheck deserved.

    Never understood the disparity between RNH’s reputation as a defensive player and the results. This city treats this player like he’s a perennial Selke nominee.

  132. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: I guess I am just curious why I don’t see you saying the same thing about McDavid, Hall, Gretzky, Draisaitl, whoever on a regular basis.

    Nuge wasn’t the only one who made a mistake in yesterday’s game. Not sure why you are so heated about Nuge in this case.

    Didn’t Drai have his pocket picked on the first goal against? Where is the Drai rage?!

    Cos there isn’t crickets when those players make a mistake. Their mistakes do get pointed out and consistently so.

    For some reason though, if you point out Nuge made a mistake, you’re a bad person.

  133. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    The bias is real and it’s obvious.

    If that was Khaira, Gagner, Kassian, hell even Draisaitl, they’d get the criticism that poor backcheck deserved.

    Never understood the disparity between RNH’s reputation as a defensive player and the results. This city treats this player like he’s a perennial Selke nominee.

    Nuge is a good player.

    Nuge does more good than bad.

    When bad happens, it’s a mistake.

    People make mistakes.

    If you’re going to rake Nuge over the coals for a mistake like that, are you applying the same amount of effort to other players who also make mistakes?

    Or are you showing a certain bias in this case?

  134. Wilde says:

    Woof. I think Lowe might be the worst regular Condor.

  135. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: Cos there isn’t crickets when those players make a mistake. Their mistakes do get pointed out and consistently so.

    For some reason though, if you point out Nuge made a mistake, you’re a bad person.

    In this thread you have marked Nuge as being lazy and demonstrating poor behavior (bad habits creeping in) that needs to be corrected and deserving of being called out by Tipp.

    That’s not pointing out a mistake, that’s characterizing Nuge as something he is not.

  136. Nit64 says:

    Looking forward to this place when regression bites.

    Oil fans are never happy until they are unhappy.

    ~ Did you know that the first Rebuild was designed to be a perfect human world, where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program, entire crops were lost. ~

  137. russ99 says:

    Cassandra,

    I think everyone knew that resigning Chiasson would be paying for production that was not repeatable.

    The only question was if anyone else who could put up 20 goals was sign-able within our limited capspace.

    They made offers to other players but couldn’t go as high as other teams.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: Yeah, Russell as 2RD doesn’t work.Perhaps it’s time for Jones.

    I’d try Benning at 2RD with Klef before making a call-up – great metrics over the last few years.

    With that said, the coach seems to have zero interest in giving Benning any at bats up the lineup.

    Jones would be an option – he is having a very good start to the season in Bakersfield – of course, the preference would be to keep him on his left side (even though he’s played alot of right side as a pro – recently he’s been left side with Bouchard) and, of course, on the 3rd pairing to start (although Bear powered right past the “start on 3rd pairing” mantra).

    Of course, even with that said, I’d prefer Jones over Russell at 2RD.

  139. Munny says:

    Nit64,

    Lol…

    I pray for that mistake-free undefeated season of eighty-two straight 6-0 shutouts sometimes.

  140. Darth Tu says:

    3×3 goal against – the real issue is that McDavid and Draisatl should have ended the game earlier in OT like they usually do (joking).

  141. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side,

    You’re misinterpreting my posts to suit your position. In the Tippett post on bad habits, I don’t mention Nuge specifically. In fact, in an earlier post, I emphasized that all 3 players were at fault on the goal. And that collective team behavior including the many examples of bad habits I cited are what Tippett needs to address.

    Nuge was lazy on that play. Why do you interpret that assessment as a wider judgement saying he is a lazy person through and through? I certainly never said that. Merely emphasizing that prior good behaviour shouldn’t absolve one of criticism in the moment. Under this logic, everyone could murder someone once provided they hadn’t done it before. We all make mistakes!

    Woodguy essentially said Nurse is a slow learner. Are you going to take him to task over that as well?

    It’s hilarious to me that criticizing Nuge once for an isolated play meets your definition for ‘raking someone over the coals.’ That’s the bias that you’re refusing to confront imo. Should Neal and Nurse be blameless. Cos unless your answer is yes, you’re essentially holding RNH to a different standard-which wouldn’t make you at all unusual as an Oiler fan.

  142. McSorley33 says:

    DocFan:
    godot10,

    I doubt we get much for JP – He’ll be gone by Dec 1.
    Petan is a possible 3C option, young, under control, cost controlled as well.

    Pageau is too expensive and no one is going to take Chiasson off our hands until he actually starts scoring.

    I don’t think Petan ends up on the waiver wire – Dubas likely arranges a trade before giving him up for free.

    Once again, Nic Petan was already placed on waivers – Sep 30th,

    Sailed – easily – through.

    Only makes 775k

    https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/10/1/20893392/4-maple-leafs-clear-waivers-will-join-the-toronto-marlies-final-roster-cuts

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-place-agostino-petan-waivers-read-released-pto/

    https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-maple-leafs-waive-kenny-agostino-nic-petan-to-finalize-roster-1.1373979

  143. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Side,

    You’re misinterpreting my posts to suit your position. In the Tippett post on bad habits, I don’t mention Nuge specifically. In fact, in an earler post, I emphasized that all 3 players were at fault on the goal. And that collective team behavior including the many examples of bad habits I cited are what Tippett needs to address.

    Nuge was lazy on that play. Why do you interpret that assessment as a wider judgement saying he is a lazy person through and through? I certainly never said that. Merely emphasizing that prior good behaviour shouldn’t absolve one of criticism in the moment. Under this logic, everyone could murder someone once provided they hadn’t done it before. We all make mistakes!

    Woodguy essentially said Nurse is a slow learner. Are you going to take him to task over that as well?

    It’s hilarious to me that criticizing Nuge once for an isolated play meets your definition for ‘raking someone over the coals.’That’s the bias that you’re refusing to confront imo. Should Neal and Nurse be blameless. Cos unless your answer is yes, you’re essentially holding RNH to a different standard-which wouldn’t make you at all unusual as an Oiler fan.

    “Under this logic, everyone could murder someone once provided they hadn’t done it before. We all make mistakes!”

    Wow. Where to start……

    Hmmm…..

    Where to start with all of this…

    What an incredibly Trumpian post. I am going to assume you made this post because Nuge did in fact, give you a wedgie recently.

    Wow.

  144. Munny says:

    I don’t disagree with the bad habits creeping in comment.

    They were in full evidence over the first 30 minutes, where the game was truly lost. I don’t know if ARI’s team speed caught them by surprise, or what dynamics generated this effect, but the effect was on full display.

    But I also think they did a great job of adjusting. This happened mid-period, not after a lambasting by the coach during intermission. I think that’s important too.

    I’m a little worried about Connor because I’ve seen him make more boneheaded plays this past week or so than maybe all last year. Been cheating for Offense bad. I think he’s trying too hard and forcing things. He probably feels like he should be, or need to be, lighting the goal lamp perma-red, and if he looks at the roster underneath him that’s understandable. But he needs to be smarter and more patient at this point.

    This is a team that is outperforming expectations. One of their curses over the DoD has been a lack of consistency… in terms of effort and in terms of smart play and in terms of confidence.

    I think so far this season Tipp has done a marvelous job getting the effort from his team. They’ve been hard-working for the most part. Now no team can go balls out for 82 games, I don’t expect that, but I do expect it to be there most nights.

    I think they’ve been more confident too… some of this comes from the improvement in net, and some from the reduction in Tirefire/60, but even when down there’s been no Give-up.

    The last one to get might be the hardest… making consistent smart plays game-in and game-out all game long. This year’s Oilers are improved in this area but there’s more improvement to be had—it’s going to be a battle all season long and we’ve seen it flagging recently.

    But it’s a process, a learning curve, and I’m excited to see if Tipp can get this team to master it.

    Does the roster need to be improved? Sure. No doubt. But so does all of the above. And while the roster is largely out of the hands of the players, the above is something they can control.

  145. McSorley33 says:

    I am a huge Nurse fan and think Nurse has to play that OT goal way better…….I think
    he was thinking/playing like it was a 2-1…as someone else said – I mean -its 3 on 3 in the
    NHL. We are going to lose games like that…

    What can’t be denied though is RNH’s numbers.

    16 games played – 0 – even strength goals.

    Only 4 even strength ( 5×5) points for the former 1st overall selection.

    Woof.

    Insert sub-par line-mates comments here..but still.

  146. Side says:

    McSorley33:
    I am a huge Nurse fan and think Nurse has to play that OT goal way better…….I think
    he was thinking/playing like it was a 2-1…as someone else said – I mean -its 3 on 3 in the
    NHL. We are going to lose games like that…

    What can’t be denied though is RNH’s numbers.

    16 games played – 0– even strength goals.

    Only 4 even strength ( 5×5)points for the former 1st overall selection.

    Woof.

    Insert sub-par line-mates comments here..but still.

    I bet it’s enough for Nuge to want to… murder someone.

  147. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: “Under this logic, everyone could murder someone once provided they hadn’t done it before. We all make mistakes!”

    Wow. Where to start……

    Hmmm…..

    Where to start with all of this…

    What an incredibly Trumpian post. I am going to assume you made this post because Nuge did in fact, give you a wedgie recently.

    Wow.

    I get it. You really can’t defend your position on the basis of facts, so ad hominem rhetoric is definitely your best defense now.

    Ok, two can play this game.

    It’s like I’m Schmaltz and you’re RNH struggling to keep up. Or my facts are a two on one logic assault and you’re Nurse stuck between an overreach and imminent defeat.

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins made a mistake. It’s ok folks. The sun will still rise tomorrow if we acknowledge that.

  148. Wilde says:

    I’m pulling together Liiga stats from last year so I can get players’ shot differentials per hour at five on five and 5v5 P/60 percentiles (because I want to be well-armed when the extremely tedious shit really begins to roll in later this season) and I regret to inform everyone that Lennart Petrell was the worst player on HIFK in 2018-19 =[

    Also, Niklas Nordgren appears to be a very good teenage player, as I suspected during his draft year. We’ll see about Rodrigue, I guess.

  149. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: I get it. You really can’t defend your position on the basis of facts, so ad hominem rhetoric is definitely your best defense now.

    Ok, two can play this game.

    It’s like I’m Schmaltz and you’re RNH struggling to keep up. Or my facts are a two on one logic assault and you’re Nurse stuck between an overreach and imminent defeat.

    Ryan Nugent Hopkins made a mistake. It’s ok folks. The sun will still rise tomorrow if we acknowledge that.

    Sure, lets go with that. You’re clearly having a bad day – I will gladly let you ‘have this one’.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    TheOrangeDesk: Thanks Bruce!

    very interesting, I feel the defense is a solid top 4 RD from being very solid. lets hope Larson can come back and be that guy

    Adam Larsson is indeed a 2RD and probably an elite one when he is healthy and playing his game.

    Adam Larsson has been miscast at the 1RD in Edmonton since he got here due to the depth chart – he’s had his ups and downs but, given he’s played so many of the tough minutes, he’s done very well.

    Adam Larsson as 2RD is something championship defences are made of.

    Lets think of it this way – our top pairing from the playoff run a few years ago is about to be our 2nd pairing – and they are more in their primes now than then were back then (although Larsson hasn’t been playing at that level).

  151. Bag of Pucks says:

    Side: Sure, lets go with that. You’re clearly having a bad day – I will gladly let you ‘have this one’.

    Very magnanimous of you to ‘let me have this one’ while firing off one last ad hominem aside to try and discredit my argument. Classy!

    FWIW I’m having a great day. Hope you are too.

  152. pts2pndr says:

    jm363561: Well someone has to play over their pay grade at 2RD and Tipp chose a totally inexperienced Perssonover Benning, a solid and experienced 3RD. Seems a bit tough to call him out. JMHO. Who do you think should be playing there in the circumstances? KRussell?

    Persson should stay wit Klefbom until Larsson is back. He is a better skater than Benning and more offensively aware. Klefbom isn’t a complete black hole with Persson and isn’t constantly having to defend as he does with Russel. It’s not ideal but appears to be the best of three bad choices.

  153. OriginalPouzar says:

    Litke:
    Starting to agree with LT that something is a little off with Klefbom. Like a good racehorse with a little hitch in the step, he’s still doing the right things but just a touch slower w/ a bit more labour.

    I think 25:42 TOI/G could be a primary factor with his predominant (vastly predominant) partners being Kris Russell on his offside and Joel Persson, fresh to the speed of the NHL and fresh to North America.

  154. Side says:

    Bag of Pucks: Very magnanimous of you to ‘let me have this one’ while firing off one last ad hominem aside to try and discredit my argument. Classy!

    FWIW I’m having a great day. Hope you are too.

    You’re welcome.

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Would be best for Larsson to push Persson out of the starting 6. I haven’t been in love with Benning’s game this season.

    Benning does lead the Oilers defence in:

    – P/60
    – GF% (78.5%)

    Sure, almost predominantly 3rd pairing but he’s been on the ice for 3 goals against.

    Honest question, what about his game have you not liked? I’m not sure what more can be asked of a 3RD

  156. ArmchairGM says:

    who: No he can’t.
    3 NHL coaches have come to this conclusion. That’s why Russell keeps ending up at 2RD.

    Yes he can. He has a pretty decent track record in the top-4 too.

    Here’s his stats from 2016-17 to 2018-19 while playing top-4:

    I built an excel spreadsheet combining all the figures for Benning’s ice-time with the top two LHD for each season and the results were interesting to say the least. For the 3 years combined, 5v5 minutes in the top-4 only:

    TOI: 1250:19
    CF%: 52.79
    FF%: 53.00
    SF%: 53.17
    GF%: 55.65

    xGF%: 53.71
    SCF%: 52.75
    SCGF%: 56.99
    HDCF%: 52.69
    HDGF%: 56.72

    Sh%: 9.51
    Sv%: 91.75
    PDO: 1.013

    Again, this is just the time he spent in the top-4, these numbers don’t include any bottom-pairing play at all. This looks like a decent top-4 blueliner from here. Is it the McDavid push? Let’s look at the numbers with and without McDavid, filtered by the aforementioned top two LHD:

    With McDavid

    TOI: 420:30
    CF%: 55.19
    FF%: 56.65
    SF%: 56.14
    GF%: 62.96

    xGF%: 56.10
    SCF%: 55.27
    HDCF%: 55.10
    HDGF%: 59.38

    Sh%: 14.05
    Sv%: 90.73
    PDO: 1.048

    Without McDavid:

    TOI: 829:47
    CF%: 51.39
    FF%: 50.88
    SF%: 51.49
    GF%: 49.18

    xGF%: 52.06
    SCF%: 50.97
    HDCF%: 50.80
    HDGF%: 54.29

    Sh%: 8.20
    Sv%: 94.67
    PDO: 1.029

    The truth is that Benning, even when playing top-4 minutes, isn’t getting a ton of “McDavid time”, just 33.6% of his TOI was spent with the world’s best center. Of course his numbers in those minutes are better, but he performed quite well even without the CMD push.

    And then there’s this: Benning personally posted amazing boxcars during these minutes. His .912 points/60 puts him tied for 58th best defenseman in the NHL over the past 3 years, while his .29 goals/60 puts him in a 5 way tie for 24th, with Jones, Ekblad, Markov and Darnell Nurse. (I can’t believe so many Oilers fans are calling for these two to be traded). These are phenomenal numbers.

    The list of marquee players that couldn’t match Benning’s .912 p/60 over the past 3 years is long, including (in order) Slavin, Petry, Morrissey, Ekholm, Heiskanen, Gostisbehere, Miller, Pesce, Ekman-Larsson, Parayko, Ekblad, Brodin, Doughty, Lindholm, Fowler, Ristolainen, Klefbom, Hamonic and Vatanen.

    Now, I’m not suggesting that Matt Benning is an everyday top-pairing guy. I do know for sure that he’s played a reasonable amount of top-4 minutes over the past 3 years and has won those minutes even playing behind a piss-poor forward group. NONE of the Oilers top blueliners can touch Benning’s GF% without McDavid, and it isn’t close:

    Benning: 51.45 GF% (49.18 while in the top-4 only)
    Nurse: 44.51
    Russell: 43.87
    Larsson: 43.68
    Klefbom: 40.27
    Sekera: 40.00 (includes bottom-pairing time)

    Benning gets better results than all of the other Oilers top-6 with McDavid off the ice.

    Check that, Benning gets better results than all of the Oilers top-6 with McDavid ON the ice, too. His GF% is a hair behind Nurse’s, but all his shot-based metrics are better.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux: – My take was they had something else lined up (Connolly?).but when that fell through, in order to show the fans they were doing stuff, Chiasson was signed late in the day 1

    – I recall reading a few weeks before that Chiasson had said he hadn’t heard from the Oilers, but he’d like to resign

    – No other team signs him for that: he wasn’t as good a scorer as Maroon, who was correctly not re-upped, and is who he is: can get hot when playing with generational talent, else just a guy

    – At worst he’s part of a trade next year if/when Benson/Marody/Kailer/Pool etc are ready: not the end of the world IMO

    While I’m not sure about having another forward “lined up”, i agree with the premise that he was definitely not their top option – he signed at the very end of the day if I’m not mistaken.

    Holland was clearly looking at the external top/middle 6 options (Connolly, Donskoi, Nyqusit, etc.) but, as he said at the end of the day, the prices (including term) were too high.

    Chiasson was a back-up plan, I agree with – as we all read and posited at the time, there was a high probability that it would be a mistake and a 2nd year of term was disappointing. Its very much looking that way.

    I don’t know about a trade next year – unless there is vast improvement, noone is taking that contract without 50% retained I wouldn’t think.

  158. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Jack Michaels, this is what we are seeing at practice:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Gagner
    Neal-RNH-Kassian
    Jurco-Haas-Chiasson
    Khaira-Cave-P. Russell

    No surprised to see Granlund demoted – he had a couple plus games but regressed last night

    A bit disappointed not to see any of Sheahan, Archie or Nygard on the four lines – hope they are each ready soon.

    Gagner looked OK when he got elevated last night – he thinks the game well enough for the top line but he is really slow – it was noticeable on the cycle a few times last night.

    I would be fine with switching Sam with either Jurco or even Khaira (if they can play right wing) but it is what it is.

    Of course, this may not be what we see for the game tomorrow – especially with 3 forwards “getting close”

    Why not have Draisaitl play RW and Khaira on the left? He ends up on the right side more often than not anyhow, he has a wicked backhand and it puts him in the one-timer position.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    PinkSocks: I don’t recall a single person here defending that signing. It was dumb then, dumb today, and will be dumb until summer 2021.

    Reja has defended it very hard.

    I was hopeful he could produce 14-15 goals in the middle 6………

    At this point, the hope is he doesn’t anchor one of the top 2 lines and, given Tippett’s words after the game, I don’t think we’ll see him there for quite a while.

    Here is hoping he’ll go on one of his heaters – last year was not the first time he’s scored goals in bunches.

  160. LadiesloveSmid says:

    OriginalPouzar: Benning does lead the Oilers defence in:

    – P/60
    – GF% (78.5%)

    Sure, almost predominantly 3rd pairing but he’s been on the ice for 3 goals against.

    Honest question, what about his game have you not liked? I’m not sure what more can be asked of a 3RD

    His P/60 & GF% are high because he’s running a 1105 PDO at 5v5.

    The entire defence would probably be served best with some consistent linemates, I will say.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: We’ll have one in a few weeks. Meanwhile Benning and Persson should be able to survive there. I vote Benning gets a shot for a few games.

    We voted that consistently during Persson’s 7 games hiatus – Its seems Tippett (Playfair) voted differently.

    Hopefully they are shown the 9 goals scored in 7 games with Russell at 2RD.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28006296/most-dreaded-road-trip-best-dressing-room-gritty-fatigue

    Yeay we have the best visitors locker room!!!

    Also 60% of players would play for Seattle in year 1.Would 60% of players want to play in Edmonton

    Hey, Edmonton is only the 3rd least desired city to play a road game in now…….

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    I missed this yesterday but Konovalov, who has been hot as hell gave up 4 in a 5-2 loss yesterday – stopped 33 of 37.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse is having a great year in Liiga but, even so, l don’t anticipate that they will receive a player that can make a material impact in the lineup – at least not straight up. If that is indeed the case then, I agree, not rush to trade him.

    There is also the potential of a deadline trade where pending UFAs go for “futures”, prospects and picks. With that said, if Jesse is being traded for a pending UFA rental, it better be a heck of a player.

  165. Munny says:

    who: No he can’t.
    3 NHL coaches have come to this conclusion. That’s why Russell keeps ending up at 2RD.

    Actually, one could make the case that he was used in such a manner in the 3rd period last night.

    (not to pile on AGM’s post above).

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Puljujarvi is listed at 1RW for Finland and the Karjala Cup.

    Nothing bad can result from him having a great tournament.

  167. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Eh Team: This was the real cause of the goal.Gave up possession on a low % play, and it led to a break the other way.Possession is everything on a 3 on 3, and it needs to lead to a high quality chance.

    The Oilers constantly force plays. They also are usually fairly sloppy in the details, passing and taking, battles. Nurse making a poor choice, Persson trying to force the puck up the boards, not making the best choice of where to, but worse then let the guy skate right past, all he had to do was lean to the right.

    Good teams in any sport are good at the little things consistently, where to play the thing to smartly when it’s routine. Hi hat is the foundation for the non routine ( highlight type) plays for most players not named Connor or Leon.

  168. Cassandra says:

    russ99:
    Cassandra,

    I think everyone knew that resigning Chiasson would be paying for production that was not repeatable.

    The only question was if anyone else who could put up 20 goals was sign-able within our limited capspace.

    They made offers to other players but couldn’t go as high as other teams.

    It has nothing to do with money. Nic Petan is a better player than Chiasson. And he was available for free at the end of training camp.

    There are lots of guys who have a chance to score 20 goals if they are given the opportunity and get a little lucky.

    The best players in the AHL are better than the worst players in the NHL. There is no such thing as a tweener. We know this. It isn’t because the guys in the AHL are so good. It is because the guys on the 4th line (3rd line in the case of Edmonton) are so bad.

    After years of watching the Oilers field lineups of guys in their last year of pro hockey, guys who in subsequent years aren’t even good enough to play in the AHL, how is this not obvious?

    NHL teams are bad at identifying NHL talent, especially on the fringes. We know this. Lucic would be the worst player in the AHL, and yet somehow he was traded.

  169. GMB3 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Check out Nurse’s positioning:

    https://twitter.com/Nines99Nick/status/1191579412082200581?s=19

    We’re getting to “1 year of experience 5 years in a row” territory here.

    This is a drum I’ll be banging forever. It’s going to be a mistake giving a #4 6+ this offseason.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: You must have missed all the sign him to a 7mil-8 mil a year contract for his points production talk here.

    I don’t think there I’ve read a single poster in this community that believes he should get more than $7M

  171. Darth Tu says:

    ArmchairGM: Yes he can. He has a pretty decent track record in the top-4 too.

    Here’s his stats from 2016-17 to 2018-19 while playing top-4:

    I built an excel spreadsheet combining all the figures for Benning’s ice-time with the top two LHD for each season and the results were interesting to say the least. For the 3 years combined, 5v5 minutes in the top-4 only:

    TOI: 1250:19
    CF%: 52.79
    FF%: 53.00
    SF%: 53.17
    GF%: 55.65

    xGF%: 53.71
    SCF%: 52.75
    SCGF%: 56.99
    HDCF%: 52.69
    HDGF%: 56.72

    Sh%: 9.51
    Sv%: 91.75
    PDO: 1.013

    Again, this is just the time he spent in the top-4, these numbers don’t include any bottom-pairing play at all. This looks like a decent top-4 blueliner from here. Is it the McDavid push? Let’s look at the numbers with and without McDavid, filtered by the aforementioned top two LHD:

    With McDavid

    TOI: 420:30
    CF%: 55.19
    FF%: 56.65
    SF%: 56.14
    GF%: 62.96

    xGF%: 56.10
    SCF%: 55.27
    HDCF%: 55.10
    HDGF%: 59.38

    Sh%: 14.05
    Sv%: 90.73
    PDO: 1.048

    Without McDavid:

    TOI: 829:47
    CF%: 51.39
    FF%: 50.88
    SF%: 51.49
    GF%: 49.18

    xGF%: 52.06
    SCF%: 50.97
    HDCF%: 50.80
    HDGF%: 54.29

    Sh%: 8.20
    Sv%: 94.67
    PDO: 1.029

    The truth is that Benning, even when playing top-4 minutes, isn’t getting a ton of “McDavid time”, just 33.6% of his TOI was spent with the world’s best center. Of course his numbers in those minutes are better, but he performed quite well even without the CMD push.

    And then there’s this: Benning personally posted amazing boxcars during these minutes. His .912 points/60 puts him tied for 58th best defenseman in the NHL over the past 3 years, while his .29 goals/60 puts him in a 5 way tie for 24th, with Jones, Ekblad, Markov and Darnell Nurse. (I can’t believe so many Oilers fans are calling for these two to be traded). These are phenomenal numbers.

    The list of marquee players that couldn’t match Benning’s .912 p/60 over the past 3 years is long, including (in order) Slavin, Petry, Morrissey, Ekholm, Heiskanen, Gostisbehere, Miller, Pesce, Ekman-Larsson, Parayko, Ekblad, Brodin, Doughty, Lindholm, Fowler, Ristolainen, Klefbom, Hamonic and Vatanen.

    Now, I’m not suggesting that Matt Benning is an everyday top-pairing guy. I do know for sure that he’s played a reasonable amount of top-4 minutes over the past 3 years and has won those minutes even playing behind a piss-poor forward group. NONE of the Oilers top blueliners can touch Benning’s GF% without McDavid, and it isn’t close:

    Benning: 51.45 GF% (49.18 while in the top-4 only)
    Nurse: 44.51
    Russell: 43.87
    Larsson: 43.68
    Klefbom: 40.27
    Sekera: 40.00 (includes bottom-pairing time)

    Benning gets better results than all of the other Oilers top-6 with McDavid off the ice.

    Check that, Benning gets better results than all of the Oilers top-6 with McDavid ON the ice, too. His GF% is a hair behind Nurse’s, but all his shot-based metrics are better.

    Grand work.

    How far out is Larsson from returning from injury? 6-8 weeks was the initial estimate wasn’t it? So if we assume it’ll take at least a couple of weeks to get back up to speed we’re looking at minimum the end of this month. When that time comes I’d be more than happy to see Larsson coming back in on the 3rd pair with Russell. I’d swap Benning and Persson in and out on the second pair with Klef until Larsson was ready to move up the lineup.

    Additionally I’d also have liked to see Lagesson get some game time when he was called up during his latest stint, it would be good to know where we stand for left D depth moving forward. I like Jones too, but with the shortage in roster and cap space it would be good to know which player to keep and who can be offered as bait in trades/expansion draft shenanigans. Russell out is clearly the preferable move next summer (or at the deadline) for cap space reasons.

  172. commonfan29 says:

    Bank Shot: I’d argue that the bigger issue is that the Oilers don’t even have 4 forwards that the coach trusts to play in that situation.

    New plan: Nuge and Nurse just do laps while playing keep-away until McD and Drai are ready to come back out.

  173. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Puljujarvi is listed at 1RW for Finland and the Karjala Cup.

    Nothing bad can result from him having a great tournament.

    Holland is going over to watch the tournament isn’t he? If Jesse can dominate at the tournament maybe the door does open for him to come back and try Edmonton again – even if it’s only for the rest of the year and then traded to another team in the summer. I feel like we’d be getting a bit more value for him in that case if he’s seen as willing to play ball with the team here.

  174. godot10 says:

    GMB3: This is a drum I’ll be banging forever. It’s going to be a mistake giving a #4 6+ this offseason.

    Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Matt Greene, Joni Pitkanen, Jeff Petry, Justin Schultz,

    Jarrett Stoll, Raffi Torres, Kyle Brodziak, Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle,

    Nurse is a keeper. Klefbom is a keeper. Another GM would have to blunder to come out ahead trading either.

  175. Munny says:

    godot10,

    I noticed you didn’t mention Larsson…

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid: His P/60 & GF% are high because he’s running a 1105 PDO at 5v5.

    The entire defence would probably be served best with some consistent linemates, I will say.

    PDO is a fair comment, however, at the same time, he is consistently at the top of the Oilers GF% list – this isn’t new for Benning.

    Also, that doesn’t answer the question of what have you not liked about his game?

  177. Darth Tu says:

    Munny:
    Darth Tu,

    Was addressed in Friedman’s 31…

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-dustin-byfuglien-winnipeg-jets/

    Point 9

    Ha. I like this part:

    “Jesse’s unwillingness to return has nothing to do with current coaches, management, the team, fans or the city,”

    Guess that answers my question.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of coming back from injury, listening to Coach W. from yesterday, Starrett is getting closer but he’s still a couple of weeks away and Joe G. is “closer than Starrett” – potentially this weekend.

  179. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: While I’m not sure about having another forward “lined up”, i agree with the premise that he was definitely not their top option – he signed at the very end of the day if I’m not mistaken.

    Holland was clearly looking at the external top/middle 6 options (Connolly, Donskoi, Nyqusit, etc.) but, as he said at the end of the day, the prices (including term) were too high.

    Chiasson was a back-up plan, I agree with – as we all read and posited at the time, there was a high probability that it would be a mistake and a 2nd year of term was disappointing. Its very much looking that way.

    I don’t know about a trade next year – unless there is vast improvement, noone is taking that contract without 50% retained I wouldn’t think.

    I remember calling it a “rookie move” at the time of the signing then arguing with you over semantics as to whether or not he bought out Sekera to sign Chiasson (as that’s what effectively happened regardless of whether there were other intentions).

    I believe that I had suggested that he did it to save face after the other deals fell thru.

    He didn’t want to buyout Sekera then spend the cap space on nothing otherwise he could have waited a year then shortened the buyout pain of the Sekera contract.

    In fairness, he probably didn’t know the song and dance that free agents do using Edmonton as negotiating leverage to get more money from the teams that they want to play for.

  180. Munny says:

    Darth Tu,

    Yes, apparently his unwillingness is due to the price of peanuts in Brazil.

    Dear Gord, I think I just quoted my father…

  181. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think there I’ve read a single poster in this community that believes he should get more than $7M

    I do believe Trouba has been used as a comparison on more than one occasion

  182. Boiled-in-Oil says:

    Lavoie scored in tha Q vs Russia game

  183. Nit64 says:

    Munny:
    Darth Tu,

    Yes, apparently his unwillingness is due to the price of peanuts in Brazil.

    Dear Gord, I think I just quoted my father…

    Glad he’s getting his fresh start . If a year isn’t enough he can extend his fresh start to 2 years and send all of his goal videos to Seattle.

  184. Darth Tu says:

    Munny:
    Darth Tu,

    Yes, apparently his unwillingness is due to the price of peanuts in Brazil.

    Dear Gord, I think I just quoted my father…

    Ha!

    That happens to the best of us. It’s a bit of a dicky – to quote my father.

  185. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer: I do believe Trouba has been used as a comparison on more than one occasion

    Bob Stauffer continually intimates that the Nurse camp will expect far more than Morrissey’s contract.

    ($6.25 x 8)

  186. who says:

    Bag of Pucks: Doesn’t absolve RNH for the lazy back check.

    Why was it a lazy back check? Schmaltz had a step on him right from the start. And Schmaltz can skate. He certainly wasn’t pulling away from Nuge.

  187. Ryan says:

    Cassandra: After years of watching the Oilers field lineups of guys in their last year of pro hockey, guys who in subsequent years aren’t even good enough to play in the AHL, how is this not obvious?

    The Oilers do a good job of that. Depending on how you look at it, the Oilers either end a lot of careers or retired a lot of players.

  188. RonnieB says:

    Cassandra: It has nothing to do with money.Nic Petan is a better player than Chiasson.And he was available for free at the end of training camp.

    There are lots of guys who have a chance to score 20 goals if they are given the opportunity and get a little lucky.

    The best players in the AHL are better than the worst players in the NHL.There is no such thing as a tweener.We know this.It isn’t because the guys in the AHL are so good.It is because the guys on the 4th line (3rd line in the case of Edmonton) are so bad.

    After years of watching the Oilers field lineups of guys in their last year of pro hockey, guys who in subsequent years aren’t even good enough to play in the AHL, how is this not obvious?

    NHL teams are bad at identifying NHL talent, especially on the fringes.We know this. Lucic would be the worst player in the AHL, and yet somehow he was traded.

    I just don’t get the love for Petan who is 24 years old and has 6 goals and 19 assists in 117 NHL games. Not even close to Jesse numbers.

  189. leadfarmer says:

    Ryan: Bob Stauffer continually intimates that the Nurse camp will expect far more than Morrissey’s contract.

    ($6.25 x 8)

    I hope they are smart enough to move the player if that is the case
    He is the player we always accused Faulk of being
    A point cannibal
    He puts up points because despite having mediocre passing and a mediocre shot he does have pretty good offensive awareness and cheats for offense and gets lots of ice time with two top 10 players in the world and maybe top 5
    But he neglects defensive responsibility and mesmerizes coaches with size and athletic ability
    He’s a second pairing D and should be paid as such
    My dream is they flip him for Huberdeau

  190. GMB3 says:

    godot10: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.Matt Greene, Joni Pitkanen, Jeff Petry, Justin Schultz,

    Jarrett Stoll, Raffi Torres, Kyle Brodziak, Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle,

    Nurse is a keeper.Klefbom is a keeper.Another GM would have to blunder to come out ahead trading either.

    This is such limited thinking. Darnell Nurse is a second pairing guy who will be overpaid. I wonder if New Jersey fans said the same thing about trading Larsson?

  191. GMB3 says:

    leadfarmer: I hope they are smart enough to move the player if that is the case
    He is the player we always accused Faulk of being
    A point cannibal
    He puts up points because despite having mediocre passing and a mediocre shot he does have pretty good offensive awareness and cheats for offense and gets lots of ice time with two top 10 players in the world and maybe top 5
    But he neglects defensive responsibility and mesmerizes coaches with size and athletic ability
    He’s a second pairing D and should be paid as such
    My dream is they flip him for Huberdeau

    Preach it. He gives up more than he creates. He’s probably overrated around the league too so it’s a trade you can actually win. We lack good forwards, plethora of D in the pipeline

  192. OriginalPouzar says:

    DarthTu: Holland is going over to watch the tournament isn’t he? If Jesse can dominate at the tournament maybe the door does open for him to come back and try Edmonton again – even if it’s only for the rest of the year and then traded to another team in the summer.I feel like we’d be getting a bit more value for him in that case if he’s seen as willing to play ball with the team here.

    Yes, he is, along with like 100 other scouts and GMs, apparently and, from accounts (Friedman), Jesse is one of two primary players being watched).

    No, this likely does not open the door for a return to Edmonton – Friedman spoke with his agent last week and essentially said nope – the quote is posted up above.

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: I remember calling it a “rookie move” at the time of the signing then arguing with you over semantics as to whether or not he bought out Sekera to sign Chiasson (as that’s what effectively happened regardless of whether there were other intentions).

    I believe that I had suggested that he did it to save face after the other deals fell thru.

    He didn’t want to buyout Sekera then spend the cap space on nothing otherwise he could have waited a year then shortened the buyout pain of the Sekera contract.

    In fairness, he probably didn’t know the song and dance that free agents do using Edmonton as negotiating leverage to get more money from the teams that they want to play for.

    You can continue to argue and, at the end of the day, you may be right but there is absolutely no way to know and I find it highly unlikely that his Hall of Fame GM signed Chiasson to “save face”.

    Holland doesn’t do these things to appease a fan-base – the pick of Broberg over a forwards was a clear example of that – he knew with certainty that the pick would be generally unpopular with the fan-base.

    You can say that the buyout cap space was used for Chiasson and we can just as easily say that it was used for Mike Smith.

    I’m also quite certain the Ken Holland was aware of all the nuances re: free agents and Edmonton.

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: I do believe Trouba has been used as a comparison on more than one occasion

    Trouba has been used as a contract that Nurse may point to but also generally (universally) agreed that Nurse should not receive a Trouba-level contract.

    Some may think that Nurse will come in over $7M (I think it will be right around there) but I don’t think anyone feels that he “should get” over $7M given market comparables.

  195. who says:

    GMB3: Preach it. He gives up more than he creates. He’s probably overrated around the league too so it’s a trade you can actually win. We lack good forwards, plethora of D in the pipeline

    I think Nurse and Klefbom are very similar players. They are both big, toolsy guys who can really skate and handle a lot of minutes.
    Klefbom is a better passer and shooter. Nurse is more physical and durable. Neither guy has great offensive instincts and they both can fall asleep on defense once in a while.
    The one thing no one talks about when they suggest trading Nurse is who steps up to fill the protector role. Cause he is one of the few guys on this roster who will drop the gloves for a teammate. We no longer have Maroon. Or Lucic. We may lose Kassian after this year. That leaves Khaira and Nurse. Trade Nurse and it’s Khaira by himself.
    I know a lot of people question the value of this skill set but good teams still have a few guys who will stand up for a teammate.

  196. OriginalPouzar says:

    BoiledinOil:
    Lavoie scored in tha Q vs Russia game

    Whoa, I didn’t realize they were playing again today – I’m wasting my time with CBJ/VEG when I could be watching an Oiler future top 6 RW.

    Thank you.

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ryan: Bob Stauffer continually intimates that the Nurse camp will expect far more than Morrissey’s contract.

    ($6.25 x 8)

    I don’t doubt that he will – Nurse has already shown to have the will to dig in for his contract.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean that Holland will pay it – Peter Chiarelli is no longer making decisions for the Oilers.

    I don’t think that deal gets done early and I’m already concerned about it not being done by camp.

  198. Ice Sage says:

    Darth Tu: Ha. I like this part:

    “Jesse’s unwillingness to return has nothing to do with current coaches, management, the team, fans or the city,”

    Guess that answers my question.

    Answers a lot of questions – “Se ei ole sinun” = it’s not you it’s me (google translated). Strange cat, stubborn it was said. Am still chuffed Columbus took Dubois – can’t help imagining where the Oil would be… le sigh

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