This Must Be The Place

The Edmonton Oilers formula for winning games is a doppelganger for the team’s 2016-17 success: Great goaltending, McDavid’s line scores twice, team’s PP outscores the PK, PK gives up a goal every two games, rest of team hangs on for dear life.

Last night, the formula was compromised. The goaltending didn’t steal the game, the PK gave up two, and the rest of the team was unable to hang on for dear life. McDavid’s line? Champions.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: The unlikely goalie performances underpinning the Oilers’ hot start
  • New Lowetide: How far away is Evan Bouchard and what role will he play with the Oilers?
  • New Scott Wheeler: Analyzing Jesse Puljujarvi’s play in Finland to see what he could offer as an NHLer
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?
  • Lowetide: Bakersfield Condors coaching staff continues to mold unheralded players into legit NHL prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Mailbag: Fixing the forward depth, slotting the big three, a Puljujarvi trade and more
  • Minnia Feng: The 2019-20 Oilers fan guide to emotions and stressful circumstances
  • Jonathan Willis: How much will the Oilers have to pay to keep pending free agent Zack Kassian?
  • Lowetide: Sheahan hurt, Oilers in need of a two-way centre; some candidates emerging
  • Jonathan Willis: Handicapping the chase for the Calder after the first month of the 2019-20 NHL season
  • Jonathan Willis: Unproductive Oilers forwards are in danger of losing their jobs — and soon
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the current state of the Edmonton Oilers goaltending.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I don’t think anyone’s feeling comfortable’: Oilers’ Holland pleased but cautious amid early improvements.
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS AFTER 17 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 6-11-0, 12 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2016: 9-7-1, 19 points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in 2017: 6-9-2, 14 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2018: 8-8-1, 17 points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in 2019: 10-5-2, 22 points; goal differential +4

Based on the comments section last night, many readers of this blog were wildly disappointed in the effort last night. Folks, this team isn’t talented enough to run with the big guns. Last night was a chance for the team, with St. Louis being tired, but there were too many Oilers who didn’t or couldn’t impact the game. There’s a talent gap. Throw in mind numbing penalties and it’s an L.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER?

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 1-1-1, 3 points after three games

Part of making the playoffs involves avoiding long losing streaks. Edmonton lost Monday and last night. Big game tomorrow night. Huge. All numbers five-on-five unless noted and via NST.

LINE 1 Leon Draisaitl-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 4:46, going 8-6 Corsi, 5-2 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-2 HDSC. 29-97-Gagner played 6:31, going 6-8 Corsi, 5-2 shots, no goal and 5-1 HDSC.

Leon Draisaitl was fabulous, two assists (one PP) and played hard all night long. Three HDSC. Silly penalty my only issue. Connor McDavid was 1-1-2, including a power-play goal early. Some blamed 97 for the third goal, but I think he marked his man (Benning’s guy scored the goal). Three HDSC. Zack Kassian won the job on RW from Sam Gagner mid-game, I thought both played well. The difference? Gagner didn’t score on a 10-bell chance, Kassian scored on a brilliant shot. Life is sometimes unfair, but Kassian may have won his job back with that goal. Two HDSC.

LINE 2 James Neal-Nuge-Zack Kassian played 5:22, 8-7 Corsi, 3-3 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC. Tomas Jurco joined the line later (when Kassian bolted) and they played 3:40, 3-2 Corsi, 1-1 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC.

James Neal had one shot, one takeaway and he damn near scored on the PP off a deflection from a Klefbom shot. He needs to do more at five-on-five, that’s the theme for this line. Nuge had two shots, one takeaway, lost several faceoffs and fell several times. He also made some poor decisions on the PP, a rare occurrence. He needs to be better. Line needs to add a talented member. Like Eric Clapton talented. Still, RNH on pace for 43 points this season, that fits in his career range. Tomas Jurco had one good look, a penalty and one truly astounding penalty.

LINE 3 Tomas Jurco-Gaetan Haas-Alex Chiasson played 6:39, 6-6 Corsi, 4-0 shots, no goals and 2-0 HDSC.

Gaetan Haas had a shot, a takeaway and worked hard. He didn’t do enough to ensure he’ll stay in the lineup when Riley Sheahan returns though. Alex Chiasson had three shots, three HDSC’s and a takeaway. Might have been his best game this season.

LINE 4 Jujhar Khaira-Colby Cave-Patrick Russell played 4:33, going Corsi 2-2 and 2-1 shots, no goals and no HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira had one shot, a takeaway and drew a penalty. Colby Cave had one shot and led a few rushes, but none resulted in success. Patrick Russell had a quiet game.

OILERS 2019-20

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 15:19 together, going 20-17 Corsi, 12-9 shots, 1-0 goals, 6-4 HDSC, 8-6 offensive versus defensive zone starts.

Darnell Nurse had a giveaway and a blocked shot, didn’t show up otherwise on the five-on-five summary. I thought he played well in coverage and it’s clear he gets the puck to Bear for outlets (which is s smart play). Ethan Bear filled the ice with deft passes, especially in the first period. Took a shot off his foot that looked painful, had two shots of his own, two takeaways and played well.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Kris Russell played 10:48, going 8-9 Corsi, 2-1 shots, no goals and 2-1 HDSC. 7-5 offensive-defensive zone start faceoffs.

Oscar Klefbom had a quiet night, the Oilers need more offence from him. Defensively, I thought he was effective. Kris Russell was solid, I like his aggressiveness lately in not giving up real estate. He has suppressed several sorties in the last five games just by standing up at either blue line. Solid.

PAIRING THREE Brandon Manning and Matt Benning played 7:07, going 7-6 Corsi, 4-1 shots, no goals and 1-0 HDSC. Pairing was 4-1 offensive-defensive zone starts via faceoffs.

Brandon Manning hit like a truck, had three giveaways and was caught out of position several times. He’s playing too much. Matt Benning was high event, three shots and two giveaways. If Joel Persson can’t play second pair, I’d try Benning with Klefbom.

GOALIE Mike Smith was off his previous brilliance and was not the team’s best penalty killer on the night. He was rock solid in quiet times at five-on-five (16 of 17 stopped, .941) but overall (stopped 20 of 23, .870) will get you a loss on most nights. In the heart of the game at five-on-five (45:26), Edmonton won the shot clock 30-17. The PK, solid for much of the season, couldn’t get it done on this night.

A FEW NOTES

Oilers five-on-five shots against rate per 60 (28.28) is fabulous, good for No. 4 in the NHL. Shots for suffers though, currently 27.26 (No. 28) overall.

Edmonton’s five-on-five goal share (50.88) is solid, No. 14 in the entire NHL. There are a lot of sky is falling people talking Oilers today, and we have agreed the playoffs are not guaranteed. That said, even with an extreme lack of depth among the forwards, this team is competitive. If Holland can find two more actual NHL forwards, games like last night should result in points more often. I don’t think he finds them this season. Stay the course.

The comments section went sideways last night while I was picking my daughter up from work. Currently, no one is in the ‘monitor’ slot on this blog. Fair warning: More nights like last night and that will change.

Two nights ago Nurse was a target (terrible OT play) and last night it was Nuge (he wasn’t good all game, but especially late with the game on the line). That said, these are good NHL players, who have been part of this team’s success. They are both in their 20’s. Single events can have massive impact on a single game, while also being single events. I know you’re mad at Nuge, hell he’s probably mad at himself. I encourage you to spend some time with the head parts that suss out math and ask this question: Will a career 11.5 percent shooter stay at 2.4 percent for the rest of this season? By the way, Nuge is above 50 percent in the faceoff circle for the first time in his career. Oh, and the officiating has been terrible, but that isn’t going to change.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning on the Lowdown, beginning at 10 on TSN1260. Marshall Ferguson (Ti-Cats pbp) from TSN 1150 will talk CFL All-Stars, the western and eastern semis and the coaching carousel. Scott Wheeler from The Athletic will discuss his excellent article breaking down Jesse Puljujarvi’s work in the Sm-Liiga. Frank Seravalli from TSN will also chime in on the Oilers and MacT’s brilliant piece from this morning. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    19/20
    EDM Goal Share after 17 games (10-5-2)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 20-10 (67%)
    McDavid Off Ice 12-19 (39%)
    Net EV = +3

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    13-11
    Net ST +2

    Empty Net
    2-5
    Net EN = -3

    SO & PS
    1-1
    SO & PS = Even

    Net Goal Differential +2

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Worst reffed game I saw this year.

    ARI on Monday was the 2nd worst.

  3. russ99 says:

    Good post LT.

    This team is a work in progress and we may not see the final progress until mid next season.

    There are positives, things are progressing, if only sorting the wheat from the chaff at the NHL level while our prospects develop at a lower level rather than being put in positions to fail, Chia/MacT style.

    We’d all like more wins and more goals, but we’re building towards something nice, so a bit of patience may be in order. I know a hard sell after 12 years in the desert. But I’m hopeful.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Based on the comments section last night, many readers of this blog were wildly disappointed in the effort last night.

    Maybe its because I watch with the sound off so I’m not influenced by anyone’s opinion, but I thought EDM was decent to good but got mauled in the scoring chance area with impunity.

    Shot metics liked them too (lots of score effect, but here we are)

    CF% share per period:

    1st 45%
    2nd 59%
    3rd 60%

    There was an eb and flow where each team would dominate the other for a stretch.

    STL hooked, held, grabbed and mugged any Oiler with a scoring chance and got away with close to murder.

    Too many Oilers didn’t cash when they could.

    Too many Oilers passed out of high quality shot locations.

    Too many Oilers don’t have the skill to turn the corsis into goalsies.

    If I had my way on the bottom 6:

    Out
    Granlund
    Khaira (damn, I really liked him)
    Russell (the forward)
    Jurco

    In
    Nygard
    Archibald
    Benson
    Yammamoto

    I haven’t liked Sheahan 5v5, but if they need him back for 4v5 (and he’s not concussed) the keep one of the kids on the farm.

  5. jtblack says:

    “There’s a talent gap.”

    – Me thinks Peter Chiarelli might have something to do with this. Just a hunch.

  6. jtblack says:

    Imagine if Ken didn’t pull a Rabbit outbofbthe Hat on the NEAL – LUCIC swap. Yeeeeessh ….Scary thought.

  7. jtblack says:

    Khaira is 25. Outside of 1 decent season (11 Goals) he’s been below replacement level and unable to score at the NHL Level. I don’t think he’s back next year??

  8. tileguy says:

    Alot of people last night crapped on the refs and surprised to see it mentioned twice already before 9:00 am. My question is do people think the bad reffing is always working against the Oil or does it work both ways?

  9. jtblack says:

    Oilers have 1 REG WIN in their last 9 Games. Not Good Arrows.

    Schedule is still relatively soft until Early December. I think they need to be 4 or 5 games over .500 by Dec 8th or we could be talking draft by XMAS. 😐

  10. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Too many Oilers didn’t cash when they could.

    Too many Oilers passed out of high quality shot locations.

    Too many Oilers don’t have the skill to turn the corsis into goalsies.”

    THIS IS US. We could out CF% a lotnof teams and will lose the game because of your points.

  11. doctoreye says:

    Why on earth would you pull you goalie when you already had a two man advantage?Especially when you have the best puck handling goalie in Smith?With 6 on 3, there was no space to operate for all the players on the ice.Chalk this loss up to BAD coaching decisions!

  12. tileguy says:

    Too many Oilers passed out of high quality shot locations.
    Besides 97, who else does this?

  13. jtblack says:

    A lot of division games tonight. Edm could go from Solo 1st to a 4 way tie for 2nd (5th).

    She’s tight Lads. Real tight.

    Is it too early to call Friday’s game a MUST WIN?

    Devils came in last yr banged up and at the bottom of the Standings and Won. I am hoping Edm can beat them this year. They are as close to “free bingo square” as you can get in the NHL now

  14. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Almost time to call up Caleb Jones or Lagesson. Both of these players are better than Manning.
    I find it very frustrating how the D is incapable of directing shots on net from the point if they arn’t named Benning and Bear. There would be a lot more goals for everyone if they could just get a slap shot off. Enough of the soft wrister into the corner.

  15. verdad2.0 says:

    Staying the course gave us 10 years of no playoff hockey
    If Holland thinks he this season to piss away then he is as incompetent as Chiarelli
    Apart from Neal, he has been to date as incompetent
    This team needs forwards that can actually play with Draisatl and MacDavid
    Forget Bakersfield
    Trade for them now
    The present is everything

    But stay the course and see this team with LA in 3 weeks

  16. leadfarmer says:

    Just catching up on last nights thread
    I dont think theres a better example of the state of our home then seeing two trolls troll each other.

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    . Silly penalty my only issue. Connor McDavid was 1-1-2,

    Before the penalty Blais kneed Drai’s left knee.

    What Drai did was a retaliation penalty but he had cause imo.

  18. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Worst reffed game I saw this year.

    ARI on Monday was the 2nd worst.

    If you hold slash interfere on every single play the refs will let them all go. If you just do it occasionally you will get called

  19. Harpers Hair says:

    jtblack:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Too many Oilers didn’t cash when they could.

    Too many Oilers passed out of high quality shot locations.

    Too many Oilers don’t have the skill to turn the corsis into goalsies.”

    THIS IS US. We could out CF% a lotnof teams and will lose the game because of your points.

    The early season push was the result of a PP heater fueled by James Neal shooting percentage above 30%.
    In the last 10 games the PP is 3 for 26 (3.8%).

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    IMO the team is playing better than it has in a long time. They play with more structure, there’s fewer tire fires per 60. I think defence has taken a step forward and will improve again with the addition of Larsson and the kids in Bake, when they’re ready.

    Agree with LT. We’re two players away from icing a competitive roster. That may be the most frustrating part of it all. We’re so close, but with the current bottom six we’re so far away.

  21. PennersPancakes says:

    Harpers Hair: In the last 10 games the PP is 3 for 26 (3.8%).

    Now this is advanced trolling.

  22. Darth Tu says:

    verdad2.0:
    Staying the course gave us 10 years ofno playoff hockey
    If Holland thinks he this season to piss away then he is as incompetent as Chiarelli
    Apart from Neal, he has been to date as incompetent
    This team needs forwards that can actually play with Draisatl and MacDavid
    Forget Bakersfield
    Trade for them now
    The present is everything

    But stay the course and see this team with LA in 3 weeks

    Staying the course is the best thing to do. We may have played two more games than some of the teams below us, but we’re still sitting atop the Pacific Division. We’re not plumbing the depths with LA and the oh so mighty San Jose just yet. If we continue to be in the running for the playoffs up until the deadline I don’t think this is a season that’s been pissed away at all.

    We need forwards to play with McDavid and Draisatl, Kassian is doing a great job. It’s a forward to play with Nuge that we really need. Neal is fine on the RW and is obviously doing well on the powerplay. If someone could grab that LW spot we’d have an effective second line.

    Trading – who would you suggest we consider dealing? I’d be loathe to part with the first round pick this year (deep draft and all that). Our area of strength seems to be our young D, so you’re looking at dealing either Jones or Lagesson. I’d like to see both of them get a run of games in the NHL to see if they sink or swim before deciding to move on from them.

  23. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    . Silly penalty my only issue. Connor McDavid was 1-1-2,

    Before the penalty Blais kneed Drai’s left knee.

    What Drai did was a retaliation penalty but he had cause imo.

    Blais is a piece of work. He was getting away with a lot last night.

  24. Munny says:

    I can’t view a team that has had as much turnover as this one (since last season) as having stayed the course.

  25. Harpers Hair says:

    Darth Tu: Staying the course is the best thing to do.We may have played two more games than some of the teams below us, but we’re still sitting atop the Pacific Division.We’re not plumbing the depths with LA and the oh so mighty San Jose just yet. If we continue to be in the running for the playoffs up until the deadline I don’t think this is a season that’s been pissed away at all.

    We need forwards to play with McDavid and Draisatl, Kassian is doing a great job.It’s a forward to play with Nuge that we really need. Neal is fine on the RW and is obviously doing well on the powerplay.If someone could grab that LW spot we’d have an effective second line.

    Trading – who would you suggest we consider dealing? I’d be loathe to part with the first round pick this year (deep draft and all that).Our area of strength seems to be our young D, so you’re looking at dealing either Jones or Lagesson. I’d like to see both of them get a run of games in the NHL to see if they sink or swim before deciding to move on from them.

    You may want to look a little closer at Neal.
    1 point in his last 5 games and -7.

  26. Darth Tu says:

    Harpers Hair,

    In the last game the Oilers PP went 1/3. 33.3%.

  27. Primetime says:

    doctoreye:
    Why on earth would you pull you goalie when you already had a two man advantage?Especially when you have the best puck handling goalie in Smith?With 6 on 3, there was no space to operate for all the players on the ice.Chalk this loss up to BAD coaching decisions!

    When did this happen? They barely called any penalties in St. Louis let alone giving the Oil a 5-3. They pulled the goalie to get a 2 man advantage 6 on 4. Pretty standard coaching move.

  28. Primetime says:

    Disappointed to see Fabbri traded and not to the Oil. For a cheap price, I really felt he may spark the second line with RNH-Neal….at least worth a shot.

  29. Darth Tu says:

    Harpers Hair,

    If someone could grab that LW spot we’d have an effective second line.

  30. Dr. Taboggan says:

    I would love to see Bear moved to PP1. He is the only right shot on the team that has any offensive awareness. Klef is not bad but the 5 lefty set-up is too slow.

  31. Brantford Boy says:

    JimmyV1965,

    Thanks for the dose of reality…

    Let’s not forget, Holland is meeting with Jesse today in Finland I believe… let’s see what Ken has in his bag of tricks…

  32. Andy Dufresne says:

    From a fan point of view, good game last night. Lots of things going on good and bad. Highly entertaining.

    “Oilers five-on-five shots against rate per 60 (28.28) is fabulous, good for No. 4 in the NHL. Shots for suffers though, currently 27.26 (No. 28) overall.

    Tippett Systems. You may not win em all but you’ll be in em all.

    After only 17 gamesTippett has corrected course for this team and has them headed in the direction of playoff style hockey. Edmonton was the more physical of the two teams last night. I garauntee you the massage tables and the whirlpools in Blues dressing room were full to overflowing after that game. An air boot or two may have been deployed.

    Tippetts stated objective for the early season was to lower goals against. Well mission accomplished in round 1 of an 8 round season.

    Round 2 Eliminate mistakes (especially in the bottom six) This takes time especially with so many new faces and so many former Bandi players (big ice surface surfers). These guys are just learning stop and go hockey for the first time ever. AND of course as LT points out there is a skills/talent gap. Thats of course where Kenny Holland comes in.

    Kenny Holland said before the season started, that it would take AT LEAST 20 games to evaluate the current roster. He implied that the process would take them into the Christmas time frame. Music! Kennys in no hurry. Hes not panicked or even edgey. Hes not bringing in Yamamoto to save the day. Hes not even remotely interested in “the day” Hes building for the long term. MUSIC! Having said that, after giving Tippett his due time to maximize the current roster through systems play, team building, roster mechanics and personal relationship building, Holland will assess things in December and decide what the next logical steps are.

    When we start winning some boring games 2-1 we’ll have achieved the next plateau imo. Mike Babcock said exactly this about his Toronto Maple Leaf team. Coincidence? I dont think so. It will help to get Larsson back.

    This early season performance is exceeding my expectations by at least a small margin, and Im not talking about points in the standings but about all the things mentioned above.

    REALLY nice to have an experienced Captain at the helm. Steady as she goes Boys! Steady as she goes.

  33. McSorley33 says:

    Last night was a chance for the team, with St. Louis being tired…

    **************************************************************************************
    Yeah, but they threw .882 Jake Allen at us as well….so

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Man was Cave ever terrible on the PK last night – bad penalties and some weak PK – that really cost the team.

    Sheehan will be in for Cave on Friday. That will make a material difference on the PK and likely at 5 on 5.

    Archie will be in, presumably for Russell or maybe Jurco. WIll add speed and tenacity.

    Nygard is coming back soon, potentially even Friday, he’ll be in for the other (Russell or Jurco) – he was starting to settle in and show his offensive skill before the injury. He’ll slide in to the top 6 and add a bit of flair.

    Still a couple of weeks for Larsson but him on Klefbom’s right side will solidify that D.

    Lets stay healthy and get these guys back.

    Aside from Larsson, they don’t seem like major additions but they each help and the aggregate will be significant.

  35. JimmyV1965 says:

    James Neal is what he is – an elite sniper. He doesn’t move the play forward. He’s like a much better version of Chiasson. He gets to the spots and scores goals. After that, not much.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not complaining. He has tremendous value in the right role. He’s a spectacular step up from Lucic. Ideally, he should be on the first line converting tap ins from the big boys. Nuge needs help on the second line, someone with creativity who can move the play forward.

  36. texmex says:

    Bunch of Jerks

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    1m
    Jurco on waivers.

  37. Andy Dufresne says:

    4 time Stanley Cup Winner Craig MacTavish always was a colorful and eloquent speaker / story teller.

    My favorite Oilers Coach. I liked his coaching style and accumen. Loved his post game pressers.

    I miss the guy. A builder you know. Carpenter by trade.

    “Busting the chair over the table” would indeed have been a fitting and poetic way to exit the stage. And I wish he’d have done it. It feels GREAT, if only in the moment. I know. Ive done it 🙂 . A few dollars lighter but No Regrets 🙂

    Ah Youth…Its wasted on the young.

  38. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Darth Tu: Blais is a piece of work. He was getting away with a lot last night.

    He was very Tkachukian.

    EDM needs one of those pricks.

  39. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Man was Cave ever terrible on the PK last night – bad penalties and some weak PK – that really cost the team.

    Sheehan will be in for Cave on Friday.That will make a material difference on the PK and likely at 5 on 5.

    Archie will be in, presumably for Russell or maybe Jurco.WIll add speed and tenacity.

    Nygard is coming back soon, potentially even Friday, he’ll be in for the other (Russell or Jurco) – he was starting to settle in and show his offensive skill before the injury.He’ll slide in to the top 6 and add a bit of flair.

    Still a couple of weeks for Larsson but him on Klefbom’s right side will solidify that D.

    Lets stay healthy and get these guys back.

    Aside from Larsson, they don’t seem like major additions but they each help and the aggregate will be significant.

    Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but the injection of Nygaard, Archibald and Sheahan is less than inspiring.

  40. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    I would love to see Bear moved to PP1. He is the only right shot on the team that has any offensive awareness. Klef is not bad but the 5 lefty set-up is too slow.

    I like Bear in for Klef there too.

    And any RHS in for Neal

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but the injection of Nygaard, Archibald and Sheahan is less than inspiring.

    but more inspiring than Jurco, Granlund, Russell and Khaira.

  42. godot10 says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Almost time to call up Caleb Jones or Lagesson. Both of these players are better than Manning.
    I find it very frustrating how the D is incapable of directing shots on net from the point if they arn’t named Benning and Bear.There would be a lot more goals for everyone if they could just get a slap shot off. Enough of the soft wrister into the corner.

    You did notice those shots against number Lowetide poster. You get that by dumping it into the corner to maintain possession in the O-zone, rather than creating a less than 50-50 chance of retrieving the puck after a shot with the puck going the other way in a hurry.

    Random shots from the point, I don’t particularly like. If they are shots from the point with intent and with forwards in position.

  43. McSorley33 says:

    texmex:
    Bunch of Jerks

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    1m
    Jurco on waivers.

    No worries…..Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald are getting healthy.

  44. Andy Dufresne says:

    texmex:
    Bunch of Jerks

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    1m
    Jurco on waivers.

    And right on queue…..Tippett and Holland tinker. Scrape some barnacles off the hull.

    Jurco is a tweener. A Bandi player.

    Hell….JJ Khaira is twice the player Jurco is and JJ’s on the bubble imo.

    But hey. Have atter…..let the hand wringing begin. (Thats just me being spitefull / small….. I apologize)

    All opinions / feeling s are valid.

  45. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: You may want to look a little closer at Neal.
    1 point in his last 5 games and -7.

    But it is an improvement on Lucic.

  46. Brantford Boy says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Great post!

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Some blamed 97 for the third goal, but I think he marked his man (Benning’s guy scored the goal)”

    ———————————

    I am one of these people. I wouldn’t use the word “blame” but would say he was partially culpable and was lazy. As you said, he marked his man, however, then he simply, well, did nothing – didn’t even try and use his stick to make a play and left the guy completely.

    Staples mentioned it as well (in the CoH post-game podcast) and I think Tippett’s post-game comments implied the same.

    To be honest, I haven’t gone back and looked at it but Staples’ thought line up with mine so I’m semi-confident I saw it “right” the first time.

  48. godot10 says:

    Primetime:
    Disappointed to see Fabbri traded and not to the Oil.For a cheap price, I really felt he may spark the second line with RNH-Neal….at least worth a shot.

    St. Louis was NOT going to trade him to a team in the Western Conference.

  49. McSorley33 says:

    I have to say – as the biggest supporter of JJ – I am losing some steam here…..I do
    think he needs to play 10 games with RNH as I have liked them together..

    But still….kind of disappointing.

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I like Bear in for Klef there too.

    And any RHS in for Neal

    Yes. Thank you. ….if by any right hand shot you mean Chaisson 🙂

  51. McSorley33 says:

    Interesting take from an NHL pundit when he asked Chicago Blackhawk management about what is maybe ‘going first’ for Jonathan Toews – his hands or his feet?

    Blackhawk Management Answer – “Both”

    They said he is not creating any scoring opportunities. Scored his 1st – 5 on 5 point this past weekend.

    This made me look up some of his numbers.

    GF – 5 / GA 9

    CF% 44.27

    Only 2 even strength points – 0 goals.

  52. JimmyV1965 says:

    McSorley33:
    I have to say – as the biggest supporter of JJ – I am losing some steam here…..I do
    think he needs to play 10 games with RNH as I have liked them together..

    But still….kind of disappointing.

    Totally agree. Playing with Nuge seems to be the only time he looks half decent. Can’t hurt to put him there.

  53. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jurco on waivers. I guess he’s the cut for Archie.

    They don’t need to open up a roster spot for Sheahan, he never went on IR.

  54. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Worst reffed game I saw this year.

    ARI on Monday was the 2nd worst.

    Surely the Oilers are sending tapes to the League nightly to complain about the mis-handling of Mcdavid and Draisaitl ..No?

    I wonder what that process / those conversations look / sound like?

  55. McSorley33 says:

    Agreed on Bear getting a crack on the PP1…..

    Anyone else maybe want to try Kassian in the Letestu spot on the PP1 – just to sample
    a RHS notion for a cross seam pass from McDavid or Drai?

    Cannot wait until Christmas because I would very much like to have a look at Kailer and
    Benson.

    The bar for Kailer and Benson to clear is only millimeters off the ground.

  56. Dr. Taboggan says:

    McSorley33:
    I have to say – as the biggest supporter of JJ – I am losing some steam here…..I do
    think he needs to play 10 games with RNH as I have liked them together..

    But still….kind of disappointing.

    JJ with 4 goals in his last 77 games I believe. Starting to look like a suspect.

    As per usual, there is a very real chance 6+ Oiler regulars this year never play another NHL game after this season.

  57. who says:

    Harpers Hair: You may want to look a little closer at Neal.
    1 point in his last 5 games and -7.

    Yeah. Neal is what he is.
    If they keep playing him he’ll get hot again and will probably end up with 25ish goals. But if he ain’t scoring goals he really doesn’t add much.Certainly not a driver of play.
    Man, an Ehlers type on that 2nd line would be nice. That was supposed to be JP.

  58. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10: But it is an improvement on Lucic.

    Quite the low bar.
    Shockingly, Lucic also has 1 point and is -1 in the Flames last 5 games.
    Of course it helps that he was suspended for 2 of them.

  59. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: Totally agree. Playing with Nuge seems to be the only time he looks half decent.Can’t hurt to put him there.

    Problem is….you put him there and he has to score. Not happening. Unfortunate.

    He’s a bit of a mystery to me. It makes me think that the “good” JJ that we often see for a string of games, is actually an overachieving JJ.

    Ive believed for the last seasson or two that is / could be an above average 4th line penalty killer. But at $1.2 million thats a small reach.

    He 25. This is who he is.

    Trade value?

  60. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Andy Dufresne: Problem is….you out him there and he has to score. Not happening. Unfortunate.

    He’s a bit of a mystery to me. It makes me think that the “good” JJ that we often see for a string of games, is actually an overachieving JJ.

    Ive believed for the last seasson or two that is / could be an above average 4th line penalty killer. But at $1.2 million thats a small reach.

    He 25. This is who he is.

    Trade value?

    JJ has no trade value. He would not get claimed on waivers.

  61. Andy Dufresne says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Great post!

    Thanks BB

  62. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Based on the comments section last night, many readers of this blog were wildly disappointed in the effort last night.

    Maybe its because I watch with the sound off so I’m not influenced by anyone’s opinion, but I thought EDM was decent to good but got mauled in the scoring chance area with impunity.

    Shot metics liked them too (lots of score effect, but here we are)

    CF% share per period:

    1st 45%
    2nd 59%
    3rd 60%

    There was an eb and flow where each team would dominate the other for a stretch.

    STL hooked, held, grabbed and mugged any Oiler with a scoring chance and got away with close to murder.

    Too many Oilers didn’t cash when they could.

    Too many Oilers passed out of high quality shot locations.

    Too many Oilers don’t have the skill to turn the corsis into goalsies.

    If I had my way on the bottom 6:

    Out
    Granlund
    Khaira (damn, I really liked him)
    Russell (the forward)
    Jurco

    In
    Nygard
    Archibald
    Benson
    Yammamoto

    I haven’t liked Sheahan 5v5, but if they need him back for 4v5(and he’s not concussed) the keep one of the kids on the farm.

    The passing out of scoring chances is really starting to bug me.
    When McDavid pulled up at the hash marks, in the middle of the ice, and then tried to back door Drai, I just groaned. You can’t get into a better shooting spot.
    Everyone is trying to force pucks to McDavid, when he’s covered. And McDavid and Drai keep trying to force passes to each other that just aren’t there.
    I know it’s tough when you have a pass first mentality, but you have to go into games telling yourself to shoot the puck every chance you get.
    When McDavid gets there he will reach a whole other level.

  63. texmex says:

    Nygard ready too?

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    1m
    Oiler place Tomas Jurco on waivers for the purpose of an AHL assignment. Colby Cave has also been sent to AHL Bakersfield.

  64. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Quite the low bar.
    Shockingly, Lucic also has 1 point and is -1 in the Flames last 5 games.
    Of course it helps that he was suspended for 2 of them.

    Has Louie retired yet?

  65. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    . Silly penalty my only issue. Connor McDavid was 1-1-2,

    Before the penalty Blais kneed Drai’s left knee.

    What Drai did was a retaliation penalty but he had cause imo.

    Strongly Agree.

    Its still a semi-violent sport ( quite violent compared to our lives) .

    You dont stick up for yourself, you get eaten alive.

    Extremely happy every time Leon initiates or retaliates. His actions are almost always warranted.

    The guy takes alot of abuse from opposing teams and referees….. and he handles it very well imo

    Dude is mature beyond his years.

    #MountainMan

    #MountainOfAMan

  66. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dr. Taboggan: JJ has no trade value. He would not get claimed on waivers.

    He has trade value imo.

    Not necessarily today, the way he is playing.

    But when he gets to his top level, he is tradable……his body of work outways his recent play..imo

    Given the current roster, he still has value here.Given the current roster, he still has value here…..but we could move on from him at any time if someone steps up to supplant him.

  67. ArmchairGM says:

    @OriginalPouzar

    Tippett went to Klefbom-Benning in the third last night when he needed a couple of goals, just as I commented before the game. This is at least the third time he’s moved Benning up for the 3rd period, I’m stumped as to why they’re never together to start a game.

    Last night:

    Klef-Russell: 10:48 TOI, 8-9 Corsi, 2-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.
    Klef-Benning: 5:10 TOI, 10-3 Corsi, 8-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.

    Stumped.

  68. jm363561 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    IMO the team is playing better than it has in a long time.They play with more structure, there’s fewer tire fires per 60.I think defence has taken a step forward and will improve again with the addition of Larsson and the kids in Bake, when they’re ready.

    Agree with LT. We’re two players away from icing a competitive roster. That may be the most frustrating part of it all. We’re so close, but with the current bottom six we’re so far away.

    =========

    The club can put out decent goal tendering, special teams, D and a top line, plus we can likely cobble together a decent fourth line. The problem is the middle six and few prospects coming through to improve this area. JP ….. sigh.

  69. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Andy Dufresne: He has trade value imo.

    Not necessarily today, the way he is playing.

    But when he gets to his top level, he is tradable……his body of work outways his recent play..imo

    Given the current roster, he still has value here.

    He has value to this roster because the roster is mostly non-NHLers. He does not score, he is a middling PKer. He is a mediocre skater. Better players pass through waivers all the time.

  70. Yeti says:

    Andy Dufresne: 4 time Stanley Cup Winner Craig MacTavish always was a colorful and eloquent speaker / story teller.
    My favorite Oilers Coach. I liked his coaching style and accumen. Loved his post game pressers.
    I miss the guy. A builder you know. Carpenter by trade.

    The wildest part of that story is that Denis Grebeshkov was MacT’s translator. I wonder if his translation was less “acid walkabout” than his defending?!

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    russ99:
    Good post LT.

    This team is a work in progress and we may not see the final progress until mid next season.

    There are positives, things are progressing, if only sorting the wheat from the chaff at the NHL level while our prospects develop at a lower level rather than being put in positions to fail, Chia/MacT style.

    We’d all like more wins and more goals, but we’re building towards something nice, so a bit of patience may be in order. I know a hard sell after 12 years in the desert. But I’m hopeful.

    Good post yourself.

  72. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    His body of work is a guy who has never consistently scored at the NHL level.

  73. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Zack Kassian won the job on RW from Sam Gagner mid-game, I thought both played well. The difference? Gagner didn’t score on a 10-bell chance, Kassian scored on a brilliant shot. Life is sometimes unfair, but Kassian may have won his job back with that goal. Two HDSC.”

    IMO…Kassian never lost his job. On the contrary, He is the undisputed #1RW on this team. He may get moved around a little (every player does) to help boost the 2nd line or to jump start some other stalled player. But imo there are no other contenders…not even James Neal….for the top line RW.

    Kassian is a near perfect fit. Speed, Hockey IQ, Physical Presence, goes to tough areas (net front and corners), good at puck retrieval, pretty good PKer too. The guy does yoemans duty and with a great attitude; he does everything asked of him including managing his anger. I think that Leon and Conner like him. Not necessarily because they’re buddies, but because he produces for and with them.

    The next replacement for Kassian on RW comes from the Poespect Pool or outside the organization imo.

    At 28 he has overcome his personal challenges and actualized his potential. For me, Zack Kassian is as big a story as Ethan Bear…. Perhaps bigger….just 6 years later in age. The Oilers are lucky to have two of these good news stories, long overdue for this organization.

    I think his teamates LOVE this guy..I know I would. Talented, does his job, sticks up for his team mates. This guy more than carries his own weight. (yes, even as a top line power forward)

    In the venacular of hockey, opposing teams take notice of when Kassian is on the ice.

    #RESPECT
    #CountYourBlessings

  74. Cassandra says:

    Claim Petan and play him with RNH.

    RNH needs someone to play with. Petan is much more skilled than guys like Jurco and he competes like the crazy. He only has a reputation for being poor defensively because every small, skilled, player is automatically poor defensively in the minds of the lazy.

    This team is dying for offense and the solution is free. There is no downside to this. Play him 20 games in a row on RHN’s wing. The worst thing that can happen is what is already happening.

  75. ArmchairGM says:

    PennersPancakes: Now this is advanced trolling.

    I just skipped right over his post, but now I wish I hadn’t!

    #mathematicallychallenged

  76. TheGreatBigMac says:

    We need the second line going, there’s still time to tinker with Khaira, Nuge, Gagne, Neal, and Nygard. But it’s getting close to time to split McD and Drai again. Nuge + McD worked last year and Drai + Neal + Nygard or Khaira should work.

  77. Pouzar says:

    “Gaetan Haas had a shot, a takeaway and worked hard. He didn’t do enough to ensure he’ll stay in the lineup when Riley Sheahan returns though.”

    Sheahan is 0 and 8 at 5v5. It’s time to piss or get off the pot cause he may be a liability even factoring in his PK work. I said this before the season that he wouldn’t be good 5v5 and now Haas is eating his lunch relatively speaking (at 5v5).

  78. oilersfan says:

    I thought the negative thoughts on Petan is that he is slow

  79. Durag says:

    texmex:
    Nygard ready too?

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    1m
    Oiler place Tomas Jurco on waivers for the purpose of an AHL assignment. Colby Cave has also been sent to AHL Bakersfield.

    Seems that way. I’m a bit surprised that Cave didn’t supplant P. Russell.

  80. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: Quite the low bar.
    Shockingly, Lucic also has 1 point and is -1 in the Flames last 5 games.
    Of course it helps that he was suspended for 2 of them.

    Chiarelli traded down from a Ferrari. Holland is trading up from a tricycle. So he has a bicycle now.

  81. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    @OriginalPouzar

    Tippett went to Klefbom-Benning in the third last night when he needed a couple of goals, just as I commented before the game. This is at least the third time he’s moved Benning up for the 3rd period, I’m stumped as to why they’re never together to start a game.

    Last night:

    Klef-Russell: 10:48 TOI, 8-9 Corsi, 2-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.
    Klef-Benning: 5:10 TOI, 10-3 Corsi, 8-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.

    Stumped.

    The Oilers are guarenteed to miss the playoffs with Russell in the top four. We have already run that script twice.

    Be bold Dave. Larsson won\t be back for a few weeks. Benning, Persson, Jones, Lagesson…

  82. Primetime says:

    oilersfan:
    I thought the negative thoughts on Petan is that he is slow

    Not sure if he’s “slow” but certainly not a burner. He is definitely too good for the AHL, but has never produced in the NHL. Not sure you can waste a contract spot on him…maybe if you could trade a contract, but don’t think TO is interested in that.

  83. Oilman99 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He was very Tkachukian.

    EDM needs one of those pricks.

    Hind sight 20:20, the top two lines would be set if they had passed on JP, and taken Tkachuk.

  84. verdad2.0 says:

    If Holland does nothing significant by Xmas, this team will be at the bottom of the Western Conference.
    “significant” means getting at least two high end forwards to complement MacDavid and Draisatl

    Nothing else matters.

    Doing nothing by tinkering with the bottom 9 does nothing.
    The currency is Nurse and RNH.

    And forget about Bakersfield. If any of them could play they would be in the NHL by now.
    Admittedly, some of them doubtless a modest improvement over the current bottom 9, but still not enough.

    Amazing that some think that doing nothing will ever make this team better.
    The last two games validates such how awful they are. And how perverse Holland and Tippettt are – more Manning , more Granlund, more Gagner etc.

  85. Bag of Pucks says:

    @NewImprovedDarkness

    Sorry, missed the chance to reply on this yesterday.

    Seems strange to invalidate Sagan as a critical thinker entirely, because you don’t agree with his take on the Drake equation specifically, no?

    That’s a pretty substantial body of work to discount. Seems a tad ‘throwing the baby out with the bathwater?’

    Do we discount everything Elon Musk is doing because of the folly of his high speed tunnels?

    The link I posted yesterday should be required rules of engagement for logical discourse imo.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cave also sent to the AHL – so Cave and Jurco gone for now.

    Given Sheahan was always on the roster, all three of Archie, Sheahan and Nygard are likely ready for Friday.

    Adding those three over Cave, Jurco and, presumably, Russell will be a big lift to the lineup.

    Will take that over adding Spezza or Petan.

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    Dr. Taboggan: He has value to this roster because the roster is mostly non-NHLers. He does not score, he is a middling PKer. He is a mediocre skater. Better players pass through waivers all the time.

    Its a fine line. You could be right.

    I think we can all agree he wouldnt be protected in an expansion draft 🙂

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    With Cave and Jurco off the roster, that will add $1.35M of cap space taking the total cap space to about $1.4M

  89. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar: Cave also sent to the AHL – so Cave and Jurco gone for now.

    Nice boost for the Condors too.

  90. Oilman99 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “Some blamed 97 for the third goal, but I think he marked his man (Benning’s guy scored the goal)”

    ———————————

    I am one of these people.I wouldn’t use the word “blame” but would say he was partially culpable and was lazy.As you said, he marked his man, however, then he simply, well, did nothing – didn’t even try and use his stick to make a play and left the guy completely.

    Staples mentioned it as well (in the CoH post-game podcast) and I think Tippett’s post-game comments implied the same.

    To be honest, I haven’t gone back and looked at it but Staples’ thought line up with mine so I’m semi-confident I saw it “right” the first time.

    The lack of urgency in 97’s game is very frustrating, specially due to the fact that he is the captain, and needs to lead by example.

  91. Andy Dufresne says:

    Primetime: Not sure if he’s “slow” but certainly not a burner.He is definitely too good for the AHL, but has never produced in the NHL.Not sure you can waste a contract spot on him…maybe if you could trade a contract, but don’t think TO is interested in that.

    Im sure he was shopped as a give away before being put on waivers…with no takers….No?

    Pretty sure TO originally picked him up to bolster the AHL roster like they did with Gagner…No?

  92. deardylan says:

    I predict one of the next posts will be an stellar example of Tkachukian metaphysics….

  93. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilman99: The lack of urgency in 97’s game is very frustrating, specially due to the fact that he is the captain, and needs to lead by example.

    ~you forgot the sarcasm tildes~ 🙂

  94. verdad2.0 says:

    deardylan,

    the incompetent Oilers could have had Tkachuk, instead of the non entity Puhljarvi
    Incompetence

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM:
    @OriginalPouzar

    Tippett went to Klefbom-Benning in the third last night when he needed a couple of goals, just as I commented before the game. This is at least the third time he’s moved Benning up for the 3rd period, I’m stumped as to why they’re never together to start a game.

    Last night:

    Klef-Russell: 10:48 TOI, 8-9 Corsi, 2-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.
    Klef-Benning: 5:10 TOI, 10-3 Corsi, 8-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.

    Stumped.

    Perhaps he feels he cant afford to not have benning on the third pairing?

    It sounds weak but I think Tippett is going to do everything he can to prevent us from beating ourselves and he is keying in on two things…..eliminating/minimizing needless penalites (like occured last night) and eliminating/minimizing mistakes, especially unforced errors.

    Benning is an above average 3RD….but he does seem to have propensity for brain cramps / unforced errors. Tippett watched alot of tape.

    I think that in Tippetts world, 5 good plays < then one brain cramp.

    Just my guess. 🙂

  96. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    godot10: Chiarelli traded down from a Ferrari.Holland is trading up from a tricycle.So he has a bicycle now.

    In Chiarelli’s defense, do you know how much insurance costs for a Ferrari???

  97. who says:

    ArmchairGM:
    @OriginalPouzar

    Tippett went to Klefbom-Benning in the third last night when he needed a couple of goals, just as I commented before the game. This is at least the third time he’s moved Benning up for the 3rd period, I’m stumped as to why they’re never together to start a game.

    Last night:

    Klef-Russell: 10:48 TOI, 8-9 Corsi, 2-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.
    Klef-Benning: 5:10 TOI, 10-3 Corsi, 8-1 shots, 0-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.

    Stumped.

    Russell bailed out Klefbom with several outstanding defensive plays last night.
    That’s why the coach has him playing above Benning.

  98. Darth Tu says:

    verdad2.0:
    If Holland does nothing significant by Xmas, this team will be at the bottom of the Western Conference.
    “significant” means getting at least two high end forwards to complement MacDavid and Draisatl

    Nothing else matters.

    Doing nothing by tinkering with the bottom 9 does nothing.
    The currency is Nurse and RNH.

    And forget about Bakersfield. If any of them could play they would be in the NHL by now.
    Admittedly, some of them doubtless a modest improvement over the current bottom 9, but still not enough.

    Amazing that some think that doing nothing will ever make this team better.
    The last two games validates such how awful they are. And how perverse Holland and Tippettt are – more Manning , more Granlund, more Gagner etc.

    Trading Nurse for a forward – how does the defense line up? I worry that would create more holes at the back end. I’m a fan of seeing what Lagesson and Jones can offer at the NHL level but ditching Nurse now and forcing them into the league and crucially, high up the batting order, is risky. You’d be looking at something like:

    Klef-Bear
    Russell-Benning
    Manning-Jones

    Of course that gets a little better once Larsson comes back, but still, we’re now ending up with Russell as our second best left sided D for the next few years.

    The best option available to us for trade is combining Puljujarvi with a pick or prospect – the problem then is cap space.

    Nuge, I am not in favor of trading this player, but if the plan is to split McDavid and Draisatl I can entertain that idea. Getting a cost controlled high end winger back could be possible. That said, couldn’t Nuge be one of the high end forwards to complement McDavid and Draisatl that you mention?

    I think we give the younger Condors time to develop, some of them will no doubt cash and become valuable NHL players. By your logic you’re essentially saying that once a player is drafted, if he’s not immediately ready to play in the NHL, he’s never going to be of use – that’s nonsense.

    Staying the course as our venerable host says, is the best option for now.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse picks up an assist for Team Finland in their game against Russia – Finland wins 4-3.

  100. who says:

    Cassandra:
    Claim Petan and play him with RNH.

    RNH needs someone to play with.Petan is much more skilled than guys like Jurco and he competes like the crazy.He only has a reputation for being poor defensively because every small, skilled, player is automatically poor defensively in the minds of the lazy.

    This team is dying for offense and the solution is free.There is no downside to this.Play him 20 games in a row on RHN’s wing.The worst thing that can happen is what is already happening.

    I think this is a very good idea.

  101. Andy Dufresne says:

    Farewell and adieu to you, my Lowetide maties

    Farewell and adieu to you, my brothers in pain;

    For I’ve received orders for to sail for old England

    But I hope in a short time Ill see you again 🙂

    #NoSympathyForTheDevils

  102. Bag of Pucks says:

    verdad2.0:

    the incompetent Oilers could have had Tkachuk, instead of the non entity Puhljarvi
    Incompetence

    They also could have had Sam Bennett instead of Leon Draisaitl, troll.

    You realize these are 18 year old prospects and not ocean front real estate, right?

  103. Andy Dufresne says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: In Chiarelli’s defense, do you know how much insurance costs for a Ferrari???

    Damn…Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in.

    haha..Ferraris…and they’re always in the shop !…… AMARIGHT!?!?!

    #Fallsy

  104. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    verdad2.0:
    deardylan,

    the incompetent Oilers could have had Tkachuk, instead of the non entity Puhljarvi
    Incompetence

    Man, your trollshindsight/60 stat is out of this world.
    Must be pretty close to your McDavid&DraisaitlJealousy/60 by now.

  105. ChiliChunk says:

    Brantford Boy:
    JimmyV1965,

    Thanks for the dose of reality…

    Let’s not forget, Holland is meeting with Jesse today in Finland I believe… let’s see what Ken has in his bag of tricks…

    Dustin Nielson Retweeted

    Herätysherätys

    @heratyshabs
    8h8 hours ago
    MoreHerätysherätys Retweeted Kasperi Kunnas
    Ken Holland cancelled his trip to Finland to watch Karjala-tournament and U-20 games.

  106. Cassandra says:

    Primetime: Not sure if he’s “slow” but certainly not a burner.He is definitely too good for the AHL, but has never produced in the NHL.Not sure you can waste a contract spot on him…maybe if you could trade a contract, but don’t think TO is interested in that.

    Well, he’s not as fast as McDavid, but he’s plenty fast. He can threaten on the rush and win races to pucks. What more do you want?

    As to whether he’s produced in the NHL, he hasn’t but he also has barely played, and never with teammates that can score.

    As to whether he is worth a contract spot, compare him to the alternatives. This team needs to add offense. We know that Petan is a much better offensive player than Khaira (for instance).

    How confident are we that Khaira is preventing goals to make up for all the goals that aren’t being scored?

    Especially, since the problem is structural. None of these guys are good enough to score on their own. The solution is to add talent, not continue to play them with guys that lack talent.

    The Oilers have 48 contracts, there is room for one Petan like player.

    But it doesn’t matter because the Oilers don’t care about offense. There is no reason for Khaira to be an NHL player. He doesn’t do anything particularly well. Why is Patrick Russell in the NHL? What does he do better than Joe Gambardello?

    The wrong guys are on the team.

  107. gregsaint says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Worst reffed game I saw this year.
    ARI on Monday was the 2nd worst.

    QFT

  108. Jethro Tull says:

    texmex:
    Nygard ready too?

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    1m
    Oiler place Tomas Jurco on waivers for the purpose of an AHL assignment. Colby Cave has also been sent to AHL Bakersfield.

    Meet the new boss.

    Oilers still unable to tell good players from bad.

  109. HT Joe says:

    godot10: Chiarelli traded down from a Ferrari.Holland is trading up from a tricycle.So he has a bicycle now.

    What, just a tricycle? The swagger, the glare… yes, Lucic was a tricycle, but specifically he would have been a big wheel. Give the man his dues. 🙂

  110. verdad2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Thachuk was “can’t miss”
    And your ad hominen assault is unwarranted
    Oiler drafting has been incompetent
    And Puhljarvi is a huge bust
    And we could mention Dobson and Boquist are both in the NHL
    And Bouchard? What does it say about him that he even break into a defense corps that has Manning and Russell
    Incompetent drafting

  111. Scungilli Slushy says:

    20 games to settle in, one more chat with Jesse.

    We might see some action coming up folks.

  112. Bag of Pucks says:

    verdad2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Thachuk was “can’t miss”
    And your ad hominen assault is unwarranted
    Oiler drafting has been incompetent
    And Puhljarvi is a huge bust
    And we could mention Dobson and Boquist are both in the NHL
    And Bouchard? What does it say about him that he even break into a defense corps that has Manning and Russell
    Incompetent drafting

    Haters gonna hate.

    One of the qualities that separates upper management from middle management is realizing that assigning blame and pointing out problems isn’t equivalent to building culture and identifying solutions.

    Anyone can carp all the live long day, but what does it actually contribute?

  113. Woogie63 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He was very Tkachukian.

    EDM needs one of those pricks.

    We do he wears number 44 …no

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    doctoreye:
    Why on earth would you pull you goalie when you already had a two man advantage?Especially when you have the best puck handling goalie in Smith?With 6 on 3, there was no space to operate for all the players on the ice.Chalk this loss up to BAD coaching decisions!

    They have had a 2-man advantage.

  115. Bag of Pucks says:

    Sorry to hear the board went off the rails last night LT.

    I’m definitely seeing evidence of more trollery on the high seas. Hopefully it’s a small sample size.

    I know I’ve taken to interacting on the board less when the team plays the upper tier competition, as the swings towards pessimism can be quite drastic.

    It’s a shame. The team’s record is definitely better than expected and most of the games have been hugely entertaining.

  116. tileguy says:

    Woogie63: We do he wears number 44 …no

    Perhaps we can teach #16 to play that role?

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    Almost time to call up Caleb Jones or Lagesson. Both of these players are better than Manning.
    I find it very frustrating how the D is incapable of directing shots on net from the point if they arn’t named Benning and Bear.There would be a lot more goals for everyone if they could just get a slap shot off. Enough of the soft wrister into the corner.

    Not giving Laggeson a couple of games over Manning when Persson was hurt still boggles my mind. I just don’t get it. Doing so made (and makes) sense to me on so many levels. Missed opportunity.

    Now, if they are going to sit Persson, I agree and I think Jones would be the guy that makes sense. Manning simply cannot play games for the Oilers.

    If they sit Persson:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Jones
    Russell/Benning

    OR

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Benning
    Russell/Jones

    Yes, I know, Jones on his off-side – not ideal but given how much right side he’s played as a pro I’m fine with it (although he’s playing left side with Bouch now).

    2RD is aggressive for a rookie but, then again, its about balance and puck transition and he can skate the puck out of danger and is a good (not great) transition by pass guy. Persson has helped at 2RD for most/some of his games and, well, I’m not so sure Jones isn’t more advance at this point.

  118. PennersPancakes says:

    verdad2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Thachuk was “can’t miss”
    And your ad hominen assault is unwarranted
    Oiler drafting has been incompetent
    And Puhljarvi is a huge bust
    And we could mention Dobson and Boquist are both in the NHL
    And Bouchard? What does it say about him that he even break into a defense corps that has Manning and Russell
    Incompetent drafting

    Does anyone have a link explaining the psychology of trolling? Its pathetic and adds nothing to the conversation.

    Jesse was a consensus #3 from an aggregate of scouts. BPA and fit the need.
    Boqvist was off the board before the Oilers drafted.
    Oilers are breaking in 2 older rookies into the NHL over Bouchard. Having all 3 RHD be rookies would be difficult.

  119. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33: Agreed on Bear getting a crack on the PP1…..

    Anyone else maybe want to try Kassian in the Letestu spot on the PP1 – just to sample
    a RHS notion for a cross seam pass from McDavid or Drai?

    Both good ideas. Sorry RNH, take a breather for a few games.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    verdad:
    Staying the course gave us 10 years ofno playoff hockey
    If Holland thinks he this season to piss away then he is as incompetent as Chiarelli
    Apart from Neal, he has been to date as incompetent
    This team needs forwards that can actually play with Draisatl and MacDavid
    Forget Bakersfield
    Trade for them now
    The present is everything

    But stay the course and see this team with LA in 3 weeks

    They have $30,200 of cap space.

    With the Cave and Jurco demotions, it will take them to apx $1.4M of cap space.

    For now, I am on board with seeing the team with:

    Sheahan, Archie, Nygard in replacement of Cave, Jurco and, presumably, P. Russell.

    Soon enough I will see Larsson in replacement of Manning – think about that bump.

    —————————————–

    The additions don’t seem that material but the aggregate of them will be.

    Shit, Sheahan over Cave last night may have changed the outcome – Cave was terrible on the PK.

  121. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    . Silly penalty my only issue. Connor McDavid was 1-1-2,

    Before the penalty Blais kneed Drai’s left knee.

    What Drai did was a retaliation penalty but he had cause imo.

    In the last 2 games Draisaitl potentially drew 7 penalties, and actually drew none. He retaliated once & got called.

    Agree with you WG that these were the two worst-reffed games of the year. Flat-out incompetent.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV:
    IMO the team is playing better than it has in a long time.They play with more structure, there’s fewer tire fires per 60.I think defence has taken a step forward and will improve again with the addition of Larsson and the kids in Bake, when they’re ready.

    Agree with LT. We’re two players away from icing a competitive roster. That may be the most frustrating part of it all. We’re so close, but with the current bottom six we’re so far away.

    I disagree with the 2nd sentence – the roster is already competitive and, with two added players, plus the injured coming back, that takes to contender status (well, depending on the two players).

  123. John Chambers says:

    verdad2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Thachuk was “can’t miss”
    And your ad hominen assault is unwarranted
    Oiler drafting has been incompetent
    And Puhljarvi is a huge bust
    And we could mention Dobson and Boquist are both in the NHL
    And Bouchard? What does it say about him that he even break into a defense corps that has Manning and Russell
    Incompetent drafting

    Importantly, Bouchard’s ELC slides if he plays fewer than 10 games this year.

    Dobson has appeared in 5 games. Three so far for Boqvist. Both are playing under 15 mins a night. Bouchard of course played 8 last fall. It’s hard to argue that any one prospect is ahead of any other, and all three appear on a trajectory to be top-4 NHL D in time.

    Why burn a year? I’d rather they bide time until Bouchard’s ready to be a dominant player.

  124. John Chambers says:

    Cassandra,

    I’d be supportive of giving Nic Petan a 10-game look on an offensive line. He is something of a playmaking Alex Debrincat, and would pair well with a shooter like Neal.

    McDavid – Draisaitl – Kassian
    Petan – RNH – Neal
    Nygard – Haas – Chiasson
    Gambardella – Sheahan – Gagner

    I’d also like to see Caleb Jones called up to play the Manning spot.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: You may want to look a little closer at Neal.
    1 point in his last 5 games and -7.

    You may want to be honest and discount the 4 empty net goals in there (and maybe even the 1 SH goal).

    He’s -2 at 5 on 5.

  126. Bruce McCurdy says:

    godot10: The Oilers are guarenteed to miss the playoffs with Russell in the top four.We have already run that script twice.

    Thrice, actually.

  127. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “Zack Kassian won the job on RW from Sam Gagner mid-game, I thought both played well. The difference? Gagner didn’t score on a 10-bell chance, Kassian scored on a brilliant shot. Life is sometimes unfair, but Kassian may have won his job back with that goal. Two HDSC.”

    IMO…Kassian never lost his job. On the contrary, He is the undisputed #1RW on this team. He may get moved around a little (every player does) to help boost the 2nd line or to jump start some other stalled player. But imo there are no other contenders…not even James Neal….for the top line RW.

    Kassian is a near perfect fit. Speed, Hockey IQ, Physical Presence, goes to tough areas (net front and corners), good at puck retrieval, pretty good PKer too. The guy does yoemans duty and with a great attitude; he does everything asked of him including managing his anger. I think that Leon and Conner like him. Not necessarily because they’re buddies, but because he produces for and with them.

    The next replacement for Kassian on RW comes from the Poespect Pool or outside the organization imo.

    At 28 he has overcome his personal challenges and actualized his potential. For me, Zack Kassian is as big a story as Ethan Bear…. Perhaps bigger….just 6 years later in age. The Oilers are lucky to have two of these good news stories, long overdue for this organization.

    I think his teamates LOVE this guy..I know I would. Talented, does his job, sticks up for his team mates. This guy more than carries his own weight. (yes, even as a top line power forward)

    In the venacular of hockey, opposing teams take notice of when Kassian is on the ice.

    #RESPECT
    #CountYourBlessings

    Nice post. Kassian is +10, 6th best mark in the league. On pace for 19 goals and 48 points… I think Tippett put him down a bit to get others going, not as punishment.

  128. Younger Oil says:

    Complaining that Puljujarvi was a bad draft pick is the same as complaining that Yakupov was a bad draft pick. Consensus best pick on the board from every single scout. You can debate if the Oilers should have kept or traded the pick, but there should be no issues with the pick that was made, only frustration with the development of the prospect.

    Complain about the Reinhart trade more. That one is worthy of criticism for the next 15 years with how much it put back this team.

    I also personally think picking Benson over Debrincat should have gotten a lot more negative attention (from the day of the draft, not just in light of Debrincat’s success).

    Crazy to think of what this team could be like if they didn’t make a single trade and just blindly took the highest player on LT’s/Pronman’s/Bob’s list for every draft pick after winning the McDavid lottery.

  129. HT Joe says:

    Bruce McCurdy: Thrice, actually.

    So we’re going for quarce? :/

  130. HT Joe says:

    Younger Oil,

    Yeah, but if we had McDavid, Draisatl, Hall, Barzal, Debrincat, RNH, Eberle, how would we fit them all under the cap? (Chia was thinking ahead).

  131. godot10 says:

    who: Russell bailed out Klefbom with several outstanding defensive plays last night.
    That’s why the coach has him playing above Benning.

    Klefbom does too much defending when he plays with Russell. Russell playing starts the fire, and then plays the hero stopping it.

    The Oilers record with Klefbom and Persson as the 2nd pairing is significantly better than with Klefbom and Russell as the 2nd pairing.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    DrTaboggan:
    I would love to see Bear moved to PP1. He is the only right shot on the team that has any offensive awareness. Klef is not bad but the 5 lefty set-up is too slow.

    Couple of weeks – Larsson will be back, spelling Bear of some heavy PK minutes, allowing him to play some more PP minutes.

    Managing loads is important.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV: Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but the injection of Nygaard, Archibald and Sheahan is less than inspiring.

    In replacement of Cave, Jurco, Russell – not for me.

    Shit, Sheahan in for Cave last night and we may win that game considering Cave and the PK.

  134. godot10 says:

    Does anyone have a link explaining the psychology of trolling? Its pathetic and adds nothing to the conversation.

    There is nothing better on the internet than trolling-done-well. It is the highest of the low arts.The point is to score the wittiest points of an argument or discussion while pissing on your foe’s front lawn while they are standing there.

  135. Darth Tu says:

    PennersPancakes: Does anyone have a link explaining the psychology of trolling? Its pathetic and adds nothing to the conversation.

    Jesse was a consensus #3 from an aggregate of scouts. BPA and fit the need.
    Boqvist was off the board before the Oilers drafted.
    Oilers are breaking in 2 older rookies into the NHL over Bouchard. Having all 3 RHD be rookies would be difficult.

    I think the key thing they’re looking for is an emotional response. If you respond in a reasonable manner and backup your narrative with irrefutable evidence they generally are silenced.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

    There’s an interesting wee read on the subject. It suggests ignoring them completely, although I still think providing reasoned responses is the best way to deal with them – as long as you don’t get wound up yourself they’re not winning.

  136. Reja says:

    John Chambers: Importantly, Bouchard’s ELC slides if he plays fewer than 10 games this year.

    Dobson has appeared in 5 games. Three so far for Boqvist. Both are playing under 15 mins a night. Bouchard of course played 8 last fall.It’s hard to argue that any one prospect is ahead of any other, and all three appear on a trajectory to be top-4 NHL D in time.

    Why burn a year? I’d rather they bide time until Bouchard’s ready to be a dominant player.

    Our PP is stale Bouchard is a a point magnet. The goal is to make the Playoffs wouldn’t surprise me if Bouchard gets called up in the next month.

  137. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: Both good ideas. Sorry RNH, take a breather for a few games.

    Nuge has had so many good looks on the PP. Hes completely snakebitten time for somebody else in the prime shooting position.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV: Totally agree. Playing with Nuge seems to be the only time he looks half decent.Can’t hurt to put him there.

    We know Sheahan is ready and, with two assignments today (s/t Jurco clearing), sounds like both IR forwards will be activated, so (assuming coach will not split up Drai and Connor):

    Drai/McDavid/Kassian
    Khaira/Nuge/Neal
    Nygard/Haas/Gagner
    Russell/Sheahan/Archibald

    Granlund/Chiasson

    ——————————

    I assume coaches go with something more like

    Drai/McDavid/Kassian
    Nygard/Nuge/Neal
    Chiasson/Haas/Gagner
    Khaira/Sheahan/Archibald

    Granlund/Russell

  139. JimmyV1965 says:

    This team has many issues, but blaming RNH, Nurse and McDavid is beyond misguided.

  140. Nit64 says:

    Darth Tu: I think the key thing they’re looking for is an emotional response. If you respond in a reasonable manner and backup your narrative with irrefutable evidence they generally are silenced.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

    There’s an interesting wee read on the subject. It suggests ignoring them completely, although I still think providing reasoned responses is the best way to deal with them – as long as you don’t get wound up yourself they’re not winning.

    Ha. Irrefutable evidence? Not when cherry salad is being dished out and the troll moves goal posts as fast as you reply. Multiply the troll posts times the irrefutable replies, add in those that get wound up, and the do not feed the troll and the not nice to call someone a troll = one more dead thread. The only end games are everyone learning not to engage or exile for the troll.

    update: if you are going to respond occasionally respond with humor. The resident troll is not serious.

  141. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Younger Oil:

    Complain about the Reinhart trade more. That one is worthy of criticism for the next 15 years with how much it put back this team.

    – Trading those two picks for a NHL-ready D made sense, while I agree that the move deserves a lot of criticism

    – Not all moves work out. That draft they also selected Jones, Bear and Marino: a stunnig haul of D that have all over-achieved

    – I never understand the lack of this balance when looking at this, now close to 5 years later. Sure Chia was an idiot for making that trade. while those 3D picks: he gets no praise? Yeah Griff was a bust, brutal. But all of Marino, Bear and Jones are looking like NHL D: what a draft.

    – Who knows really how the call that Griff was NHL ready was made. But if Chia is the idiot that made that call in isolation all alone, he ought to be the genius who stole Jones Bear and Marino

    – The reality is certainly more muddled (i.e. some combo of Chia had aweseome trade for Hamilton that he got f$cked over on, the Old Boys were redoing the Yak override, Chia didn’t trust the scouts to make those picks before he overhaulded the drafting, he should have known regardless that Griff wasn’t good, the scouting staff had clearly not done their homework on Griff, etc): but there is only vitriol for the Griff move, and no consideration for the rest of the draft IMO

    – 3 bonafide D and trading for a G that almost took the team to the Cup is a pretty massive haul

  142. Victoria Oil says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jesse picks up an assist for Team Finland in their game against Russia – Finland wins 4-3.

    Fun fact of the day. Jesse is leading the Liiga in shots on goal (4 per game) while Lavoie is leading the Q in shots (6.5/game).

  143. krakman says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Yes I agree, everyone’s been way too hard on Chia. Sure he had a few moves that could be seen as not that positive, but on the whole he greatly improved the team. He moved out cancers like Hall and Eberle and replaced them with guys. He traded a couple picks for a dman that was killing the ahl. He made really good free agent signings that have added much needed poise to the line up. He managed the salary cap expertly. But all this is just my opinion when the Oilers (stupidly!) let Pete go he had a line up of NHL teams offering him gm positions, but he chose to take a very high level adviser position with the current champs.

    So please leave Pete alone everyone

  144. Darth Tu says:

    Nit64: Ha. Irrefutable evidence? Not when cherry salad is being dished out and the troll moves goal posts as fast as you reply. Multiply the troll posts times the irrefutable replies, add in those that get wound up, and the do not feed the troll and the not nice to call someone a troll= one more dead thread. The only end games are everyone learning not to engage or exile for the troll.

    update: if you are going to respond occasionally respond with humor. The resident troll is not serious.

    A fair point. Goddam Trolls.

  145. Cassandra says:

    The Oilers are in a playoff spot now, but they are hardly dominating. So far they have two major strengths, and one serious problem.

    The strengths are obvious. McDavid and Draisatl dominate at even strength and the power play. It is reasonable to expect/hope that will continue, but it is unreasonable to expect it to get better.

    The other strength has been the goaltending. It is unreasonable to expect this to continue, though how far it regresses is uncertain.

    Together the things that have carried the Oilers are going to get worse. The question is whether they can compensate for allowing more goals (which they will allow) by scoring more goals.

    And this is the clear problem. The Oilers don’t score at all without McDavid and Draisatl on the ice. Here, I see no reason why we should expect improvement without adding talent.

    So you have a team that has played well so far in the aggregate but is doing so on the basis of unsustainable goaltending. They need to find more offense or they are a wildcard team at best.

    Petan is not the answer all by himself, but we shouldn’t expect any one player to solve all their problems. Realistically they need two or three Petans, at least.

  146. Cahoon says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    The problem with the NHL ready D argument with what is IMO Chias worst move is that Grif just clearly wasnt. To make matters worse, he traded a d man of similar age and NHL readiness (Marincin) for a pick whose number was 3 digits. We got Grif and Calgary for worse picks got Hamonic. It’s absolutely inexcusable.

  147. Cahoon says:

    krakman,

    Grif wasn’t killing the AHL, he killed the WHL then fell off.

    People trading picks and people advising the picks are usually two different groups. I will say I think Green had an unhealthy obsession with Grif, and was otherwise astute with his judgment.

  148. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Cahoon,

    – I don’t think you are understanding my point: The error was in the execution, not the logic

    – Had those two picks actually resulted in obtaing the top-4 D that Chia proclaimed he obtained, it would have been a good move. The actual execution though was brutal, indeed.

    – But any draft that nets 3 NHL D and a goalie who played a big part in their run is an excellent draft. He sh$t the bed on Griff, and that’s a top worst trade that hurt the team massively. 4 years later and Bear is looking like a stud, and Jones was supposed to be better, but he’s a LHD, and Marino top-6

    – Does equity lost from Grif get any gain from Jones, Bear and Marino now?: asking for a friend

    Woulda Coulda Shouda: but what the team have looked like with Hamilton (and not Grif), with Bear, Jones Marino in the pipe

  149. ArmchairGM says:

    Bruce McCurdy: In the last 2 games Draisaitl potentially drew 7 penalties, and actually drew none. He retaliated once & got called.

    Agree with you WG that these were the two worst-reffed games of the year. Flat-out incompetent.

    Come on, you guys can’t make that statement without actually naming the incompetent refs. How else will we build the effigies?

  150. Numenius says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: Does equity lost from Grif get any gain from Jones, Bear and Marino now?: asking for a friend

    He also signed Benning as a college free agent, which counts for something, too.

  151. who says:

    godot10: Klefbom does too much defending when he plays with Russell.Russell playing starts the fire, and then plays the hero stopping it.

    The Oilers record with Klefbom and Persson as the 2nd pairing is significantly better than with Klefbom and Russell as the 2nd pairing.

    So, last night Russell was responsible for Klefbom getting caught pinching at the offensive blue line on numerous occasions?

  152. Fuhr and Lowething. says:

    HT Joe:
    Younger Oil,

    Yeah, but if we had McDavid, Draisatl, Hall, Barzal, Debrincat, RNH, Eberle, how would we fit them all under the cap?(Chia was thinking ahead).

    Haha, Since we’re doing a revisionist draft, don’t forget Aho was still on the board if we’d have kept the 33rd pick in 2015 as well!

    Imagine McDavid/Barzal/Aho/Jones/Bear and Marino in one draft? That’s as good as any one Barry Fraser’s legendary drafts.

    Revistionist lineup #1. Salary cap be damned. 😂😂😂

    Hall McDavid Barzal
    Tkachuk Draisaitl DeBrincat
    Nuge Aho Eberle
    Plug plug plug

  153. PennersPancakes says:

    Fuhr and Lowething.,

    10/10 username

  154. SwedishPoster says:

    Cassandra:
    The Oilers are in a playoff spot now, but they are hardly dominating.So far they have two major strengths, and one serious problem.

    The strengths are obvious.McDavid and Draisatl dominate at even strength and the power play.It is reasonable to expect/hope that will continue, but it is unreasonable to expect it to get better.

    The other strength has been the goaltending.It is unreasonable to expect this to continue, though how far it regresses is uncertain.

    Together the things that have carried the Oilers are going to get worse.The question is whether they can compensate for allowing more goals (which they will allow) by scoring more goals.

    And this is the clear problem.The Oilers don’t score at all without McDavid and Draisatl on the ice.Here, I see no reason why we should expect improvement without adding talent.

    So you have a team that has played well so far in the aggregate but is doing so on the basis of unsustainable goaltending.They need to find more offense or they are a wildcard team at best.

    Petan is not the answer all by himself, but we shouldn’t expect any one player to solve all their problems.Realistically they need two or three Petans, at least.

    I’d argue yet another strength so far. The overall tightness defensively. Outside the occasional game like the one against Pittsburgh they’ve kept the shots against low, very few games with over 30 in regulation. And not just that but very few of those shots against have been uncontested. The team is defending the middle of the ice well.

  155. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Numenius: He also signed Benning as a college free agent, which counts for something, too.

    – .. Benning was the next year (with Russell) but he got Sek to come. I get the vitroil for Griff: Chia got fired for cause, and the Griff trade was part of it. With hindisght, it was an incredibly accretive off-season: Sek, Talbot, Bear, Jones, Marino. But the focus only on the one that didn’t work: Griff

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    texmex:
    Nygard ready too?

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    1m
    Oiler place Tomas Jurco on waivers for the purpose of an AHL assignment. Colby Cave has also been sent to AHL Bakersfield.

    If note, he’s got to be getting very close as they only need two roster spots for all three.

    With that said, they could not activate Nygard and run with a 22 person roster for a day – accumulate and bank a tiny bit of extra cap space.

    Every little bit will help given how little there is.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:
    Claim Petan and play him with RNH.

    RNH needs someone to play with.Petan is much more skilled than guys like Jurco and he competes like the crazy.He only has a reputation for being poor defensively because every small, skilled, player is automatically poor defensively in the minds of the lazy.

    This team is dying for offense and the solution is free.There is no downside to this.Play him 20 games in a row on RHN’s wing.The worst thing that can happen is what is already happening.

    Wouldn’t claim him. Would send a middling contract back the other way but would use Petan as contract 49.

    He has not produced at the NHL level and Benson’s 20 year old AHL season was more impressive – Petan didn’t hit PPG at the AHL level until 22-23.

    From reading some comments from Leaf fans, they would be happy (for the most part) if he got claimed – that’s not glowing.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    “Gaetan Haas had a shot, a takeaway and worked hard. He didn’t do enough to ensure he’ll stay in the lineup when Riley Sheahan returns though.”

    Sheahan is 0 and 8 at 5v5. It’s time to piss or get off the pot cause he may be a liability even factoring in his PK work. I said this before the season that he wouldn’t be good 5v5 and now Haas is eating his lunch relatively speaking (at 5v5).

    Sheahan was batting above his established level when playing 3C and his battle is (was) with Colby Cave as the 4C and Sheahan is MUCH better than Cave in all facets (notwithstanding Cave making 2 nice offensive plays recently).

    If Sheahan was in for Cave last night, the Oilers may not have lost given Cave’s PK work was culpable on goals against.

    Also, before the injury, I felt that Sheahan was getting close – he started to be involved in scoring chances for.

    His 5 on 5 GF% is, obviously, terrible, but he is about to start pissing drops and, well, 4:1 defensive zone starts is a tough gig.

    Haas needs to stay at 3C with current roster.

    Two games at 3C and the opponents have zero shots on net – that’s a marvelous thing.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: The Oilers are guarenteed to miss the playoffs with Russell in the top four.We have already run that script twice.

    Be bold Dave.Larsson won\t be back for a few weeks.Benning, Persson, Jones, Lagesson…

    While I agree that Kris Russell cannot be the 2RD, they are not 0 for 2 with him at 2RD, they are 1 for 3.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: The lack of urgency in 97’s game is very frustrating, specially due to the fact that he is the captain, and needs to lead by example.

    I can’t disagree with this, unfortunately.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:

    Why is Patrick Russell in the NHL?What does he do better than Joe Gambardello?

    The wrong guys are on the team.

    Well, for one, Patrick Russell is currently staying healthy – Joe G. hasn’t played in 2-3 weeks and it sounds like, although there is a chance he plays this weekend, he’s likely a week or so away.

    Not to mention that, yes, while Joe G did score alot of goals last year, he had 8 more points that P. Russell – its not like Joe G. is that much more of a material offensive player than P. Russell.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    verdad:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Thachuk was “can’t miss”
    And your ad hominen assault is unwarranted
    Oiler drafting has been incompetent
    And Puhljarvi is a huge bust
    And we could mention Dobson and Boquist are both in the NHL
    And Bouchard? What does it say about him that he even break into a defense corps that has Manning and Russell
    Incompetent drafting

    Dobson has been a healthy scratch for almost the entire year – he’s only in the NHL because they can’t send him to the AHL and are delaying his re-assignment to junior.

    As an aside, Bouchard was in the NHL last year.

    What does Boquist have to do with the Oilers, he was drafted prior to Bouchard? Not to mention, Bouchard outplayed him in London last year and has better AHL numbers than him and has played more NHL games than him.

    That was a really poor attempt.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    JohnChambers: Importantly, Bouchard’s ELC slides if he plays fewer than 10 games this year.

    Dobson has appeared in 5 games. Three so far for Boqvist. Both are playing under 15 mins a night. Bouchard of course played 8 last fall.It’s hard to argue that any one prospect is ahead of any other, and all three appear on a trajectory to be top-4 NHL D in time.

    Why burn a year? I’d rather they bide time until Bouchard’s ready to be a dominant player.

    Yes, I have mentioned the potential slide a few times and, while its a factor, with respect to “why burn a year”, well, if the player can help the team materially and is ready, I’d be just fine with it.

    Of course, Bouchard is not there yet – he will get there, maybe even this year, but, at this point he is still working on physical engagement net front, blueline decisions and urgency in his defending.

    As an aside: burning a year of the ELC is something that I’m not overly concerned with (in fact, there could be some benefits to it – makes the 2nd contract cheaper).

    Now, 40 games on the roster (vesting a year towards UFA) – that is big.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Nice post. Kassian is +10, 6th best mark in the league. On pace for 19 goals and 48 points… I think Tippett put him down a bit to get others going, not as punishment.

    Agreed!

  165. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Our PP is stale Bouchard is a a point magnet. The goal is to make the Playoffs wouldn’t surprise me if Bouchard gets called up in the next month.

    I would be shocked if he did (unless there was a massive run of injuries).

    I would encourage your to watch some Condors games and, also, listen to Coach Woodcroft – he is on weekly with Stauff.

    Bouchard isn’t ready for the NHL

  166. drglen says:

    Like tipp said, and low, we just don’t have enough guys that make plays. There were times end of 1st and early 2nd period where it did look like we were sleeping though, . but that’s just guys who don’t know what to do.

    Perrson will be back in in a game or two. Benning sat out a couple last year.

    I wondered if that was the end for Jurco.

    Sheehan was not really doing much before he got injured.. maybe PK improves. Archibald likewise not doing much. Khaira didn’t do much except with Nuge those 2 games. Nyggard will make a difference though.

    Low liked Alex’s game last night, i didn’t see it that way. He did have some good defensive backchecks that often get overlooked, but , yknow, he is a bit slow. P russell did not look great last night. so….

    I don’t see Holland picking up any waiver people. we’ve now eliminated Jurco, probably eliminated Cave… Nyggard gets new look (and I think has convinced everybody that he is a legit NHL roster player) .. Shehan is still probably the best of the bottom 6.. so Archibold is really the next target. nov to december… if Archi goes down, then we may see the call ups. My question is… do you think they would bypass marody and take a flyer on McLeod? Widsom would say that is terrible idea, let the player develop… , but I have a hunch it will be Yammo and Mcleod, .. .. then.. benson.

    D wise, I think Persson draws back in and no Jones call up. Injury could change that , and a losing streak with Manning getting burned may get Lagesson called up first.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    VictoriaOil: Fun fact of the day. Jesse is leading the Liiga in shots on goal (4 per game) while Lavoie is leading the Q in shots (6.5/game).

    Last weekend, Lavoie had 8 and 14 shots, yes, 14.

  168. drglen says:

    K Russel made some ‘save the day’ plays, that keep him in the lineup. But shucks, so many offensive plays, with McD and Drai on the ice, that just don’t happen with Kris. there simply is NO breakout pass… and that can’t be.. If Tippet is saying we don’t have enough guys that play at this level, .. some of that has to fall on Russell. If we like him for saving the day and PK, then that’s all he should do. On the 3rd pair and limited minitues and I would not be sad to see him sit while Lagesson gets a look.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    These were the lines at practice today:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-RNH-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald
    Granlund-Haas-P.Russell

    Seems like Nygard May not be ready yet as he and Gagner were the extras.

    Nygard would make this better balanced as he could slide in to 2LW moving Neal over to 2RW and bumping Chiasson out of the top 6 to play with Haas.

    I would a clear split between Haas centering a more offensive 3rd line and Sheahan a more defensive 4th line.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:
    The Oilers are in a playoff spot now, but they are hardly dominating.So far they have two major strengths, and one serious problem.

    The strengths are obvious.McDavid and Draisatl dominate at even strength and the power play.It is reasonable to expect/hope that will continue, but it is unreasonable to expect it to get better.

    The other strength has been the goaltending.It is unreasonable to expect this to continue, though how far it regresses is uncertain.

    Together the things that have carried the Oilers are going to get worse.The question is whether they can compensate for allowing more goals (which they will allow) by scoring more goals.

    And this is the clear problem.The Oilers don’t score at all without McDavid and Draisatl on the ice.Here, I see no reason why we should expect improvement without adding talent.

    So you have a team that has played well so far in the aggregate but is doing so on the basis of unsustainable goaltending.They need to find more offense or they are a wildcard team at best.

    Petan is not the answer all by himself, but we shouldn’t expect any one player to solve all their problems.Realistically they need two or three Petans, at least.

    It is reasonable to predict that Ryan Nugent Hopkins will produce at 5 on 5 at materially higher levels than he has been.

    It is reasonable to predicts less goals against with Adam Larsson in the lineup over Brandon Manning (or even Joel Persson).

    I also don’t think the level of tending through 16 is completely unsustainable even without Larsson back.

    I’m yet to be told what Nic Petan is likely to bring over Tyler Benson (who has outproduced Petan (adjusting for age) in the AHL)

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux:
    Cahoon,

    – I don’t think you are understanding my point: The error was in the execution, not the logic

    – Had those two picks actually resulted in obtaing the top-4 D that Chia proclaimed he obtained, it would have been a good move.The actual execution though was brutal, indeed.

    – But any draft that nets 3 NHL D and a goalie who played a big part in their run is an excellent draft.He sh$t the bed on Griff, and that’s a top worst trade that hurt the team massively. 4 years later and Bear is looking like a stud, and Jones was supposed to be better, but he’s a LHD, and Marino top-6

    – Does equity lost from Grif get any gain from Jones, Bear and Marino now?: asking for a friend

    Woulda Coulda Shouda: but what the team have looked like with Hamilton (and not Grif), with Bear, Jones Marino in the pipe

    I tend to agree with this.

    The premise of the picks for a top 4 NHL D was not unsound but the player acquired was a poor choice, right from the beginning.

    If that trade is done properly, it very well could have stopped the Hall/Larsson trade and Lucic signing.

    Those 3 picks in the 4th, 5th and 6th rounds, in aggregate, is off the charts good.

    Some kudos to the development of Jones and Bear.

    Also, John Marino shows why current prospects like Phil Kemp (still just 20) and Michael Kesselering (19) probably don’t get talked about enough

  172. JimmyV1965 says:

    verdad2.0:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Thachuk was “can’t miss”
    And your ad hominen assault is unwarranted
    Oiler drafting has been incompetent
    And Puhljarvi is a huge bust
    And we could mention Dobson and Boquist are both in the NHL
    And Bouchard? What does it say about him that he even break into a defense corps that has Manning and Russell
    Incompetent drafting

    Are you for real? Do you even have a clue why Dobson is in the NHL? One hint. It’s not because he should be there.

  173. Cassandra says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    RNH isn’t going to score at 5on5 without better linemates. He needs help. The problem is you can already see the media and the fans calling him out, when the problem is the players on either side of him.

    Benson might be better than Petan when they are the same age, but right now Petan is miles better than him. I watch every Leafs game, he’s a dynamic player. He was very good the last game when paired with Tavares and Marner. That the Leafs don’t have room for him says nothing about his quality. But if you like Benson call him up as well and play him. The Oilers have a whole lineup of guys who aren’t ever going to score.

    Larsson isn’t going to make a difference to the GA, he certainly isn’t going to lower it. Shots against is already a major strength, and I don’t see how he is going to make the save percentage better.

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bruce McCurdy: In the last 2 games Draisaitl potentially drew 7 penalties, and actually drew none. He retaliated once & got called.

    Agree with you WG that these were the two worst-reffed games of the year. Flat-out incompetent.

    We need to go to a game and yell at the refs together again Bruce.

    It’s been too long.

  175. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sheahan was batting above his established level when playing 3C and his battle is (was) with Colby Cave as the 4C and Sheahan is MUCH better than Cave in all facets (notwithstanding Cave making 2 nice offensive plays recently).

    If Sheahan was in for Cave last night, the Oilers may not have lost given Cave’s PK work was culpable on goals against.

    Also, before the injury, I felt that Sheahan was getting close – he started to be involved in scoring chances for.

    His 5 on 5 GF% is, obviously, terrible, but he is about to start pissing drops and, well, 4:1 defensive zone starts is a tough gig.

    Haas needs to stay at 3C with current roster.

    Two games at 3C and the opponents have zero shots on net – that’s a marvelous thing.

    Agree with your analysis.

    It’s interesting that Tippett always refers to Sheahan’s line as the “4th” line.

    Haas is starting to look like a player and if you can get Sheahan’s 5v5 TOI/gm down to 7min from his current 9:22 and Haas up to 11 from his current 8:23 that would be a good thing.

    When Nygard gets back I’d put him with Haas and not RNH.

    Haas and Nygard are both burners and if EDM can have a good forehecking 3rd it would help a lot.

  176. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    5v5 goals:

    Barkov – 0
    Marner – 0
    Benn – 0
    RNH – 0

    Bums!!!

    Waive them all!!!!

  177. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    krakman:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Yes I agree, everyone’s been way too hard on Chia. Sure he had a few moves that could be seen as not that positive, but on the whole he greatly improved the team. He moved out cancers like Hall and Eberle and replaced them with guys. He traded a couple picks for a dman that was killing the ahl. He made really good free agent signings that have added much needed poise to the line up.He managed the salary cap expertly. But all this is just my opinion when the Oilers (stupidly!) let Pete go he had a line up of NHL teams offering him gm positions, but he chose to take a very high level adviser position with the current champs.

    So please leave Pete alone everyone

    Thanks for chiming in Pete

  178. New Improved Darkness says:

    Bag of Pucks: That’s a pretty substantial body of work to discount. Seems a tad ‘throwing the baby out with the bathwater?’

    I totally agree with you. I wasn’t quick to judge at that age, but when I did judge, if was pretty much an instantaneous life sentence. Whether fully deserved or not. I did finally let go a bit after Contact with Jodie Foster. Fortunately there was no scene where Foster endorsed the Drake equation in that context. The same scene in a remake where she pulls up an easel outside of Hannibal’s cage and begins explaining the Drake equation to finally break his will would have required intense medical supervision to ensure that Hopkins hadn’t progressed way beyond mere acting behind that mask by the end of the seventh take. Or is that just me, projecting myself?

    Another version I could stomach would be Sergeant Schultz explaining a thinly disguised Drake equation to Colonel Klink, who immediately jumps to a ludicrous, inflated opinion of his own competence. And then the episode would end with Schultz’s signature confession “I know nothink, nuuthink” and LeBeau tilts his head sideways to crack “for once, he’s telling the truth” while Hogan shrugs ¯\\_(ツ)_//¯ in response with thicker than normal arms, as one does wearing an A-2 military flight jacket, which sure beats the orange jumpsuit most prisoners wear these days. (That’s actually how the Airforce keeps renegade paratroopers in line: one more wisecrack out of you, and we’re going to push you out of an airplane over enemy territory wearing an orange jumpsuit—as if free fall wasn’t already ventilation enough.)

    On a side note, we watched Nolan’s Dunkirk (2017) last night. I guess I’m deep in orphan fatigue, but the plot device of following around a misfit who doesn’t belong anywhere he goes made me groan a bit. But then when I got into the special features, it’s seriously amazing the lengths they went to to obtain realistic footage. They decided to use an age-appropriate cast (meaning guys too young for even the Oilers to call up), which explains why the narrative technique is heavy on Hitchcock and light on dialogue (few of these kids are trained actors).

    No doubt we’ll soon achieve “artificial” abiogenesis [your double-take goes here], with our human thumb firmly planted on the thermodynamic scale. And then what? Are we any closer to a probability estimate on cosmic abiogenesis over the last 12 billion years with a statistically valid error bar? No, we are not. Until we do, the Drake equation is a negative value add. Like all those line cards we draw up in August on the pretense that the bottom half of roster could piss a drop, if artfully combined by a quantum line-blender from the D-Wave corporation.

    So we don’t need a miracle to get basic amino acids (Miller–Urey). But we still need a miracle to get them to animate themselves. “But only a brief miracle!” some SETI apologist wheezes.

    Not that we have any expertise around these parts on the futile hierarchy of brief miracles.

    Ultimately, the rare snap judgements of my youth evolved into “won’t fix”. This is the most glaring error the other person (or institution) refuses to do anything about.

    My personal maxim: You are what you won’t fix. Contest this maxim at your own peril, lest you end up married to Reviled Ex 3.0.

  179. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    Sir,

    I don’t know what infused your muse lately but please buy it by the pallet.

    I hope you and your Lemon Tree are well.

  180. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cassandra:
    OriginalPouzar,

    RNH isn’t going to score at 5on5 without better linemates.He needs help.The problem is you can already see the media and the fans calling him out, when the problem is the players on either side of him.

    Benson might be better than Petan when they are the same age, but right now Petan is miles better than him.I watch every Leafs game, he’s a dynamic player.He was very good the last game when paired with Tavares and Marner.That the Leafs don’t have room for him says nothing about his quality.But if you like Benson call him up as well and play him.The Oilers have a whole lineup of guys who aren’t ever going to score.

    Larsson isn’t going to make a difference to the GA, he certainly isn’t going to lower it.Shots against is already a major strength, and I don’t see how he is going to make the save percentage better.

    1) Yes, he is – he isn’t going to score a 1.08 P/60 at 5 on 5 – he has had many middling linemates through his career. This is not susustainable. You know this

    2) Your evalucation is the minority opinion on Petan but I’ve barely seen him play so can’t argue with it. On the other hand, your comparison to Benson is without value as I’m highly confident that I’ve watched MUCH more of him than you considering I tune in for pretty much every Condors’ game. Petan’s AHL production as 23 essentially matches what Benson did as a rookie. There in no certainty that Petan is better.

    3) Ummm, yes, I think adding Larsson and taking out Manning will make a difference to the team’s overall defence not to even mention it ensuring Russell is back at 3LD.

  181. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    5v5 goals:

    Barkov – 0
    Marner – 0
    Benn – 0
    RNH – 0

    Bums!!!

    Waive them all!!!!

    Scratch Barlkov from the list.
    Just scored an even strength goal.

  182. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: It is reasonable to predict that Ryan Nugent Hopkins will produce at 5 on 5 at materially higher levels than he has been.

    It is reasonable to predicts less goals against with Adam Larsson in the lineup over Brandon Manning (or even Joel Persson).

    I also don’t think the level of tending through 16 is completely unsustainable even without Larsson back.

    I’m yet to be told what Nic Petan is likely to bring over Tyler Benson (who has outproduced Petan (adjusting for age) in the AHL)

    Speed

  183. ArmchairGM says:

    who: Speed

    I doubt that.

  184. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: Scratch Barlkov from the list.
    Just scored an even strength goal.

    What happened to our Jamie Benn?

    He is one of the my favorite players, but man he is having a rough start.

  185. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk: What happened to our Jamie Benn?

    He is one of the my favorite players, but man he is having a rough start.

    Shooting percentage is 2.7%.
    Should rebound.
    Nuge is only 2.4%.
    That can’t last.

  186. Bag of Pucks says:

    New Improved Darkness,

    One of these days I’m going to eat some peyote, then go back and read all of your posts with Miles Davis playing in the background.

    The trip will be real and spectacular.

  187. Bag of Pucks says:

    frjohnk,

    Benn there, done now?

  188. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Harpers Hair: Scratch Barlkov from the list.
    Just scored an even strength goal.

    Huzzah!

  189. leadfarmer says:

    Barkov has been playing with a shoulder separation supposedly and has not been able to shoot much

    Someone was asking for the worst contract in the NHL
    Jamie Benn. Hip surgery slowed down the body that’s been slowed down by heavy hockeying

  190. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    New Improved Darkness,

    One of these days I’m going to eat some peyote, then go back and read all of your posts with Miles Davis playing in the background.

    The trip will be real and spectacular.

    Speaking of this oft quoted Seinfeld meme, any chance that LT’s infamous balance photo is a sublime pic of Teri Hatcher’s rack?

    A man can dream.

    That balance photo has become my Rosebud.

  191. Harpers Hair says:

    Bag of Pucks: Speaking of this oft quoted Seinfeld meme, any chance that LT’s infamous balance photo is a sublime pic of Teri Hatcher’s rack?

    A man can dream.

    That balance photo has become my Rosebud.

    Nadia Comeneci
    Book it.

  192. frjohnk says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    frjohnk,

    Benn there, done now?

    Like HH said, a poor shooting % is the main culprit.

    Wheels are not coming off but the lugnuts are loosening.

  193. frjohnk says:

    leadfarmer: Someone was asking for the worst contract in the NHL
    Jamie Benn.

    Its not THE worst, but yeah, its not good

  194. Munny says:

    frjohnk: Its not THE worst, but yeah, its not good

    Toews is trending hard to win this “battle”.

  195. Munny says:

    Oilers already have a 29 year old more talented Nic Petan.

    Samwise Gangee

    Yes Petan is that slow.

    I’d rather give Benson the shot when he’s ready.

    And 49 contracts is a thing—can’t pick someone off waivers without dumping someone else.

  196. flyfish1168 says:

    Taylor Hall, loses puck at defensive zone trying a cute play and phlegm’s score to tie game. Frustrating to see.

  197. Wilde says:

    ATTENTION PLEASE.

    Every single one of you that has used the term ‘ad hominem’ here in the last few months (at least) needs to immediately set out to learn what it means

    In a sequence like this:

    Person 1: I think x.

    Person 2: You’re stupid for thinking x, x is wrong because of y.

    PERSON TWO HAS NOT COMMITTED AN AD HOMINEM.

    That is just an insult. An insult is not automatically an ad hom, although many ad homs are insults.

    You can take issues with insults. Insults can be bad, stupid, wrong, gratuitous and counter-productive.

    But if you’re setting out to disprove an argument and you use the fact that your opponent has insulted you (or that you perceive that they have) that is actually more likely (and always closer) to having committed an ad hom than the person who hurled the insult.

    I will be the shitty latin phrase police if I have to be. I have the soul for it. It doesn’t have to be this way, however.

  198. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Speed

    From what I’ve seen (not a ton) and accounts, he’s an average skater.

    Either way, it hasn’t led to much at the NHL level and his AHL production is inferior to that of Benson.

    I don’t see anything to project him as a more material positive contributor than Tyler Benson now or in the future and I’d prefer to give Benson a few at bat unless the Leafs are willing to take a contract back (which wouldn’t make any sense for them).

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