Saturday Morning

Oilers fans have seen some great talent from Europe since 1979. Jari Kurri was smart and brilliant in every quadrant of the ice, Esa Tikkanen drove the league to distraction, Reijo Ruotsalainen was a fireball, Janne Niinimaa a passing delight, Ales Hemsky ridiculous and Oscar Klefbom is dreamy. Gaetan Haas took a little time to show us what he is, but now that he’s coming into view, his skill and utility is beginning to make a difference in Edmonton.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players
  • New Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers were wise to gamble on Tomas Jurco, even though it didn’t pan out
  • Jonathan Willis: The unlikely goalie performances underpinning the Oilers’ hot start
  • Lowetide: How far away is Evan Bouchard and what role will he play with the Oilers?
  • Scott Wheeler: Analyzing Jesse Puljujarvi’s play in Finland to see what he could offer as an NHLer
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?
  • Lowetide: Bakersfield Condors coaching staff continues to mold unheralded players into legit NHL prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Mailbag: Fixing the forward depth, slotting the big three, a Puljujarvi trade and more
  • Minnia Feng: The 2019-20 Oilers fan guide to emotions and stressful circumstances
  • Jonathan Willis: How much will the Oilers have to pay to keep pending free agent Zack Kassian?
  • Lowetide: Sheahan hurt, Oilers in need of a two-way centre; some candidates emerging
  • Jonathan Willis: Handicapping the chase for the Calder after the first month of the 2019-20 NHL season
  • Jonathan Willis: Unproductive Oilers forwards are in danger of losing their jobs — and soon
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the current state of the Edmonton Oilers goaltending.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I don’t think anyone’s feeling comfortable’: Oilers’ Holland pleased but cautious amid early improvements.
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS AFTER 18

  • Oilers in 2015: 6-12-0, 12 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in 2016: 9-8-1, 19 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in 2017: 7-9-2, 16 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2018: 9-8-1, 19 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in 2019: 11-5-2, 24 points; goal differential +8

This looks good, gotta say. Oilers might not be good enough to play on Tabernac Saturday, but the fans can bask in the glow of 24 points in 18 games. Over a season, that’s a 109-point pace. This is fun!

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-1-1, five points; goal differential -2
  • Oilers in November 2017: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2019: 2-1-1, five points; goal differential +3

A solid first nine days of November, the impressive thing about last night is the Oilers stopped a losing streak before it reached three. There’s a calmness about this team so far, the start of this season has been impressive.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-1-1, 5 points after four games

Oilers are ahead of my prediction, again. I expected 2-2-0 and then a solid run through California. Anaheim and San Jose are different teams than they’ve been in the past, that’s going to be important ahead of that road trip to Colorado and Texas.

OILERS 2019-20

The top line remains a stunning trio (now 26 goals in 18 games) and I do believe the second line is being badly underrated by many who are worried about Nuge’s five-on-five goal total. I would encourage you to seek out the “outscoring goal total” for each line. That’s what we’re looking for. I don’t care if the defenseman scores the goal. Seriously. All numbers five-on-five via NST.

LINE 1 Leon Draisaitl-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 13:21, going 16-16 Corsi (solid), 8-8 shots, no goals and 3-3 HDSC.

Leon Draisaitl scored a gorgeous goal, never take it for granted. That’s a giant skill player. Holy crap. Two HDSC’s and around the puck all night. What a player. Just 7 PK seconds. Connor McDavid had a PP assist (I thought he had two, but just one in the summary) plus 2 HDSC, he has so much going on but lately they don’t cash as much. Crazy to even mention, but I expect he’s going on a tear soon. Zack Kassian is a terrific linemate for these two, had a nice look in the first period (Nuge with the pass iirc), a takeaway (and a GV), plus went after PK Subban who was in 97’s face.

LINE 2 James Neal-Nuge-Alex Chiasson played 10:22, going 9-7 Corsi, 5-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-0 HDSC.

James Neal scored a goal, had a couple of chances and blocked a shot that kept him off the ice for a time. Good player. Nuge had a helluva game, two assists (one on the PP) and so many intelligent plays. His pass to Leon was true. On pace for 50 points. Alex Chiasson scored a power-play goal and had a five-on-five assist plus three shots. Did Sami Vatanen wrong. Good game by all three.

LINE 3 Jujhar Khaira-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 10:09, going 7-8 Corsi, 4-3 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC. Faced the Hall line for 5:07, going 3-2 Corsi. I’m sort of wondering if Tippett wants this line out against the other team’s best. He seems to get a Sheahan-Hall type matchup more often than a rando happening would imply. Sheahan and Archibald played over 3 minutes on the PK.

Jujhar Khaira had a couple of promising sorties, but pushed the puck deep and chased. The most promising trip through the neutral zone saw Khaira pass to Matt Benning, who sent a harmless shot to the New Jersey net for a whistle. Solid PK. Riley Sheahan drew a penalty, had a takeaway and two giveaways, but his line held Hall at bay for five minutes and that’s a solid chore completed. Josh Archibald had a shot, and could have had a dandy chance but didn’t see the puck squirting into his location in the slot. I hope they keep this line together, call it the redemption trio.

LINE 4 Markus Granlund-Gaetan Haas-Patrick Russell played 7:19, going 11-6 Corsi, 6-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-0 HDSC.

Markus Granlund moved the puck better than we’ve seen him recently, seemed to have a little more speed. Less than 2 PK minutes, not certain he’s long for this team. Gaetan Haas had another solid game, this guy is damn useful. Scored, 71 percent in the circle, worked hard at both ends of the ice and had several promising moments with and around the puck. Patrick Russell had a HDSC, a takeaway and was effective in about 2 PK minutes.

BLUE VERSUS HALL

  • Nurse-Bear: 5-9 Corsi in 6:39
  • Klefbom-Persson: 0-7 Corsi in 4:42
  • Russell-Benning: 1-2 Corsi in 3:40

PAIRING ONE: Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 15:18, going 17-22 Corsi, 9-9 shots, no goals and 1-3 dangers. Pairing had 2 offensive zone and 7 defensive zone faceoffs, spent 7:46 (8-12 Corsi) with 97.

Darnell Nurse had two shots and several other chances where he sent rocket passes to teammates. Nurse often doesn’t have touch on his passes, they’re bullets. He made a poor pass at five-on-five to Bear that ended up being NJD’s best scoring chance sequence of the game. Ethan Bear is the opposite, all of his passes seem to be perfectly timed and with the exact amount of torque required. Bear had three shots and drew a penalty. He also battled the Devils forwards physically, something Nurse helped him with at times. This pairing has enjoyed some fine games.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Joel Persson played 14:42, going 10-16 Corsi, 4-8 shots, 2-0 goals and 4-1 HDSC. Had four offensive and four defensive zone faceoffs, and played 4:55 (6-3 Corsi) with McDavid.

Oscar Klefbom moved the puck efficiently, defended well and played a coverage (defensive) game. Blocked a couple shots. Joel Persson had easily his best game so far, grabbing two assists and playing a sound positional game. What a recovery from his effort against the Coyotes.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Matt Benning played 14:04, going 11-7 Corsi, 7-4 shots, 1-0 goals and 1-3 HDSC. Four/four offensive/defensive zone faceoffs. Played 3:10 (3-4 Corsi) with McDavid.

Kris Russell had an assist, two shots and 1-2 takeaway/giveaways. I think Tippett is very comfortable using this pairing in multiple situations. Matt Benning had an assist and a shot on goal, I thought he played very well on the evening.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen stopped all 26 shots, 22 at five-on-five and including four HDSC’s. He was calm, athletic and played angles well. I think he’s Edmonton’s best goalie.

CONDORS 2019-20

The Condors lost last night, gave up a lead on a SH goal and then couldn’t score in over 20 minutes to get the tie against a struggling group of San Diego Gulls.

I said yesterday that Caleb Jones is the only player who has earned a recall, and nothing about last night changed the script. Cooper Marody got hurt, that’s going to impact the offence. Team is also missing Joe Gambardella.

Jones had five shots, Kirill Maksimov two assists, Colby Cave six shots and a goal. Condors play San Jose Barracuda tonight, Jay Woodcroft will have to alter the lineup if Marody can’t play.

GAETAN HAAS

Smart player, has speed, aggressive in puck pursuit and he’s putting it all together. Signing free-agent Europeans is like a box of Forrest Gump’s chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get. We still don’t really know about Haas, Persson and Nygard, but they are contributing and are a part of an 11-5-2 NHL team. I don’t know how many of these men will play 200+ games in the world’s best league, but Haas impresses me with his intelligence, range of skills and adaptability. That counts for something.

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  1. Jethro Tull says:

    Harpers Hair: Saw that in a recipe. Will try. Thanks.

    My mouth is watering. I have to go find a butcher shop right now.

  2. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: There is no doubt he’s in the running for the Hart at this early point in the year and I don’t think the eastern media is oblivious to it. Friedman on O. Nation just last week said he wouldn’t argue with anyone that said Drai had been the best player in the league to that point.

    Lots and lots of hockey to be played though.

    I watched Bobby Orr”s knees get taken out and it pissed me of after sneaky Gio took out Mcdavid knee and the response was Crickets. I have a good feeling.Connor is going super Nova in the next month.

  3. Harpers Hair says:

    Jethro Tull: My mouth is watering. I have to go find a butcher shop right now.

    LOL.
    There’s only two of us and most recipes say it will serve 6-8.
    Could send you some leftovers.

  4. PerryK says:

    Louis Levasseur:
    I’m not sure if I’m right, but I have noticed that Russell has been standing up players at the blueline this year, as opposed to backing in like in previous seasons.I like his willingness to block shots, but it seems like he doesn’t have to as often because he’s preventing zone entries.Maybe playing on the left side has made it easier for him.

    I can’t quote you any stats on this, but I agree. Russell seems to be making a conscious effort to play better gap. Blocking shots by “starfishing” gets you out of position while you give the puck possession back to the other team. Ridiculous! Quinn was remarking o how Russell isn’t leading the Oilers this year in his favourite stat. It may be due to comfort on the proper side. But even when he played on the R side, he wasn’t giving up the gap as much to my eyes!

  5. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM: Scoring challenged as always? When have we ever signed a Connolly-type player?

    .38 PPG career player

    He would not be the answer on this team as it stands. Complementary which isn’t what the good guys lack as I see it.

    But I get what you’re saying.

  6. defmn says:

    Jethro Tull: My mouth is watering. I have to go find a butcher shop right now.

    One of the best cuts of meat there is imo. It is very big in Korean cuisine and there is a Korean grocery store just a few blocks from where I live these days so it is easy to access. As you say it is also very good in buns.

  7. Scungilli Slushy says:

    PerryK: I can’t quote you any stats on this, but I agree. Russell seems to be making a conscious effort to play better gap. Blocking shots by “starfishing”gets you out of position while you give the puck possession back to the other team. Ridiculous!Quinn was remarking o how Russell isn’t leading the Oilers this year in his favourite stat.It may be due to comfort on the proper side.But evenwhen he played on the R side, he wasn’t giving up the gap as much to my eyes!

    It’s coaching. I said after playfair (such an ironic nhl name) talked at first, Russell and the goalies would benefit. The system suits his game well, especially on his correct side.

    Also the mandate to pass not just chip and chase.

  8. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: LOL.
    There’s only two of us and most recipes say it will serve 6-8.
    Could send you some leftovers.

    A square about 4″ x 4″ will feed a hungry man. Cut smaller or larger from there.

  9. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t know about that $6M winger unless you are factoring in a clean disposition of Russell for $4M in cap space????

    With Nurse at $7M (yes, it’ll be around there, give or take), and the cap expected to go up nominally, the org is looking at $18M to sign/re-sign/acquire 12 players.

    That includes the back-up goalie, Kassian (or replacement in the top 6), a 3C, etc.

    I did factor in a Russell disposition. And a $2.5M backup. And $3M for Kassian. Neglected a 3C.

    A bunch of kids (Benson, Marody, Yamamoto) up and more cheap bottom 6 forwards. Those things and Nurse at $7M would allow $5-6M in walking around money for Holland to play with.

    I did this for fun earlier, adding Kreider for $5M X 5. One could add a cheaper winger and a 3C instead. Lots of assumptions obviously. I re-signed mostly from current Oilers, Holland likely won’t do that obviously.
    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1470100

  10. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: A square about 4″ x 4″will feed a hungry man. Cut smaller or larger from there.

    Uh oh.
    I may weigh 300 pounds by Monday.

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    defmn: One of the best cuts of meat there is imo. It is very big in Korean cuisine and there is a Korean grocery store just a few blocks from where I live these days so it is easy to access. As you say it is also very good in buns.

    A lot of butcher shops in the UK (one in York in particular) will sell roast belly pork, beef and lamb on fresh bakery buns. As well as pork pies and scotch eggs.

    Bo’s in Red Deer does a very passable scotch egg and Blind man brewing beer.

  12. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    With the Oilers only elite players could come and make much of a difference at this point.

    How could this possibly be? This idea by itself seems impossible in any situation at all, but particularly with a 5-12 forward set like the Oilers, even more so.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yup

    A question for you if I might, is there a place to find empty net stats with any detail? Other than grunting through each game’s box scores?

    Not anymore.

    The only site that did it was offsidereview.com but he shut his site down.

    It’s on the “list” for PuckIQ as we value having those, but if it happens this season it won’t be until spring.

    i have 16/17 and 17/19 in this post:

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2018/11/nhl-including-empty-net-goals-in.html?m=1

    But that’s it as far as I can tell.

  14. ArmchairGM says:

    Scungilli Slushy: .38 PPG career player

    He would not be the answer on this team as it stands. Complementary which isn’t what the good guys lack as I see it.

    But I get what you’re saying.

    Connolly has never got much PP time though. His goal scoring at 5v5 is elite and has been for the past 3 years. That’s something Nuge – and the rest of the team – needs.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lavoie with an assist as Halifax takes an early 2-0 lead after losing handily yesterday (and Lavoie held off the scoresheet for the first time in a loooong time)

    Lavioe adds a second assist on a SH goal as Halifix is up 3-1 in the third.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: It’s very likely he’s never a top 6 forward.

    This is likely the case but I will not close the book on that story a month in to his pro career – not with the shot that he has.

    With that said, even an NHL career is also not a for sure think for Kril, however, he has a range of skills – he was a plus level 2-way forward for NIagara this past year (and took on less offensive opportunities to focus on that part of the game – willingly) and an elite PK guy in the OHL.

    He is translating those skills to the AHL, in particular the PK as he’s been on PK2 with McLeod from Day 1.

    I’m not concerned about his scoring totals, or lack thereof, he’s getting no material PP time and has been playing in the bottom of the order. Last night he got some better linemates and hit the scoresheet.

    I am hopeful he’s playing top 6 minutes by the end of the year and both special teams.

    He could be a plus 3rd line down the road, maybe even a 2nd liner (not likely) or many nothing more than a tweener.

  17. OriginalPouzar says:

    Phil Kemp scores – he’s also plus 1 even though Yale trails 5-1.

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Yup

    A question for you if I might, is there a place to find empty net stats with any detail? Other than grunting through each game’s box scores?

    Check that, naturalstatrick.com has “with empty net” and “against empty net” as options.

    Never noticed it before.

    Will check its data against what I had in my post when I get a minute.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    ScungilliSlushy: Good players but how would they look on the Oilers?

    We are seeing long standing issues with team play getting sorted, but so many players that were decent elsewhere have failed and seen careers ended and confidence shot.

    We are seeing it still, hopefully the coaches will continue to grow the group and we’ll see all boats float.

    With the Oilers only elite players could come and make much of a difference at this point.

    This group needs to push ahead and next season astute acquisitions (and subtractions) could put them over.

    Yes, players have come to the Oilers and failed.

    Should we not mention the players that have come to the Oilers and succeeded or resurrected careers?

    Mike Smith
    James Neal
    Zack Kassian
    Kris Russell (think about where he was when he signed the one-year deal)
    Alex Chiasson (last year).

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    jzed:
    When Larsson gets back, put him with Russell and let them play tough minutes shutting things down , leave Nurse – Bear alone, Klefbom -Benning with Persson slotting in on the power play .Larsson and Klefbom do not get results playing together.

    – I don’t think they are going to run with 7 d-men

    – Persson isn’t getting PP time now and is behind Klef, Nurse, Bear on the PP depth chart

    – Klef and Larsson have been very good in the past – that was when they had another pairing to split the tough minutes with (Sekera/Russell) – similar to how they can now split with Nurse/Bear – they will be fantastic again I would expect – an elite 3rd pairing of Russell/Benning will help them all as well

  21. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Check that, naturalstatrick.com has “with empty net” and “against empty net” as options.

    Never noticed it before.

    Will check its data against what I had in my post when I get a minute.

    Cursory look is that its “close” off a goal here and there, but looks like the goods.

    Yay!!

  22. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m hopeful for Maksi too, but he could be a tweener along the lines of Slepyshev. They’re toolsy in the same way.

  23. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: Persson isn’t getting PP time now and is behind Klef, Nurse, Bear on the PP depth chart

    I don’t believe that we know that Bear is ahead of Persson on the PP depth chart. There were comments during the off-season (TC?) about his ability to run the blue line on the PP. They might give it a look before giving Bear one.

  24. stephen sheps says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Check your twitter inbox. Just sent you my recipe

  25. Harpers Hair says:

    Got your message Stephen but for some reason can’r reply directly.

    Thanks for the input…right up my alley.

    Best.

  26. stephen sheps says:

    Harpers Hair,

    That’s weird. I’ll look into that!

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Connolly has never got much PP time though. His goal scoring at 5v5 is elite and has been for the past 3 years. That’s something Nuge – and the rest of the team – needs.

    Yup.

    Connolly’s rank in the NHL in Goals Scored/60 5v5 last 3 years: (min 500 min played – all data from naturalstattrick.com)

    18/19 – 1.28 – NHL Rank – 15th
    17/18 – 0.83 – NHL Rank – 95th
    16/17 – 1.26 – NHL Rank 13th

    So far this year:
    19/20 – 1.79 – NHL Rank – 17th (among players with at least 100 5v5 minutes)

    Who knew?

  28. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Oh and thank you for the great Räsänen news earlier.

  29. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    He has also accelerated his participation rate on the shots-for in the limited time he’s on the ice lately:

    Nov 1st – 3 iCF, 4 iCFA / / 7 contributions on 10 CF; 70% contribution share

    Nov 2nd – 4 iCF, 1 iCFA / / 5 contributions on 10 CF; 50% contribution share

    Nov 8th – 2 iCF, 2 iCFA / / 4 contributions on 5 CF; 80% contribution share

    Again, I want to stress the importance of keeping him on a line with two offensive players. He’s a fine backchecker, always in my game notes for them.

  30. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Most liked the player, including Holland just not the cost/term on our limited budget.

  31. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    There also appears be a strange case of a former top-10 pick from 2016 outperforming expectations in 5v5 P1/60 scoring with a fresh start this year.

    Shit’s weird, man.

  32. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Yup.

    Connolly’s rank in the NHL in Goals Scored/60 5v5 last 3 years: (min 500 min played – all data from naturalstattrick.com)

    18/19 – 1.28 – NHL Rank – 15th
    17/18 – 0.83 – NHL Rank – 95th
    16/17 – 1.26 – NHL Rank 13th

    So far this year:
    19/20 – 1.79 – NHL Rank – 17th (among players with at least 100 5v5 minutes)

    Who knew?

    Connolly’s rank for 5v5 goals from 16-17 until today:
    5v5/60 – 1.18 – Rank 8th

    Here’s his peers for this:

    Auston Matthews 1.55
    Viktor Arvidsson 1.32
    Jeff Skinner 1.27
    Jake Guentzel 1.20
    Alex Ovechkin 1.19
    James van Riemsdyk 1.18
    Brendan Gallagher 1.18
    Brett Connolly 1.18
    Alex DeBrincat 1.15
    Nikita Kucherov 1.14
    Anders Lee 1.14
    Brad Marchand 1.13
    Vladimir Tarasenko 1.12
    David Pastrnak 1.11
    John Tavares 1.10
    Connor McDavid 1.09

    Now here’s his rank for just goal totals (some people discount per 60 rates)

    5v5 goals – 51 – NHL rank 41st

    Here’s his peers for this:

    Sean Monahan 54
    Mark Stone 54
    Jason Zucker 54
    Nikolaj Ehlers 53
    Sean Couturier 53
    Evgeni Malkin 52
    Jamie Benn 52
    Jonathan Marchessault 52
    Matt Duchene 52
    Joe Pavelski 52
    Josh Anderson 52
    Tyler Seguin 51
    Tomas Tatar 51
    Ryan Dzingel 51
    Brett Connolly 51
    Tyler Johnson 51
    Mark Scheifele 50
    Filip Forsberg 50
    Sebastian Aho 50
    Brandon Saad 50
    T.J. Oshie 50
    Andreas Athanasiou 50
    Travis Konecny 49
    Logan Couture 49
    Brock Nelson 49
    Jakob Silfverberg 49
    Pat Maroon 49
    Phil Kessel 48
    William Karlsson 48
    Nazem Kadri 48
    Chris Kreider 48

    Almost everyone on the 2nd list is a top 6 F.

    Connolly did it playing 3rd line with Eller.

    Now he’s getting top 6 minutes in FLA so it will be interesting to follow.

  33. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Most liked the player, including Holland just not the cost/term on our limited budget.

    True.

    I’ll bring up his results when someone hand waves them away though.

    This is where “oh this guy is only a slight overpay” here and “oh that guy is a slight overpay” there comes into play.

    He signed for $3.5MM x 4 in FLA.

    Take away Chiasson’s $2.15 as Holland doesn’t sign both.

    That leaves $1.35 difference.

    Add $500K for the tax difference and that gives us $1.85 so round it up to $2MM.

    Doesn’t take much.

    Man.

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    There also appears be a strange case of a former top-10 pick from 2016 outperforming expectations in 5v5 P1/60 scoring with a fresh start this year.

    Shit’s weird, man.

    I always like to see that too.

    Playing with Toews and Saad can help a player compared to Sheary and Rodrigues as well.

    One more NHL game this year and he matches his total from the past 2 years.

    Given their recent propensity for top 10 reclamation projects I bet they’ve called Holland on JP as well.

  35. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I always like to see that too.

    Playing with Toews and Saad can help a player compared to Sheary and Rodrigues as well.

    One more NHL game this year and he matches his total from the past 2 years.

    Given their recent propensity for top 10 reclamation projects I bet they’ve called Holland on JP as well.

    It’s fun finally watching a team just gun it /hard/ immediately post-purchase and see what they have as soon as they have it.

    We can’t know how rigid the plan was, but dealing Jokiharju before they knew who he was (we don’t know if the trade isn’t a loss, I liked him) suggests intent.

    On Chicago more broadly, if both projects have indeed hit then they went from having-

    Saad – Toews – x
    DeBrincat – x – Kane

    to

    Saad – Toews – Nylander
    DeBrincat – Strome – Kane

    Hmmm. Really filled out that top six quick.

  36. rickithebear says:

    Manning 8gm; 88:46; 1GA; 0.68 evga/60
    Russell 18gm; 287:57; 4GA; 0.83 evga/60
    Benning 18gm; 235:03; 4 ga; 1.02
    Klefbom 18gm; 332:07; 12GA; 2.17
    Persson 9gm; 134:43; 6ga; 2.67
    Nurse 18gm; 359:58; 17ga; 2.83
    Bear 18gm; 339:31; 16ga; 2.83

    Trade Russell?

    In the words of Tom hanks characters joke in Catch me if you can.

    Knock, Knock!

  37. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Yup need that 4 mil for a 3c like Pageau
    By your analysis it’s Manning that we should keep anyway
    Who probably will get a PTO next offseason cause no one will sign him

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard with a penalty in the first minute.

    Go Condors!

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just like last night – Condors get scored on on the first shot of the game. PPG.

  40. GMB3 says:

    Cale Makar is really, really talented.

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    GMB3:
    Cale Makar is really, really talented.

    Yep.
    And Bowen Byram is coming up next.
    Oh my.

  42. GMB3 says:

    Also Donskoi and Burakovsky look really good too. Sakic cobbled together a second line in one off season.

    Interesting how he went for being derided with his handling of the Duchene situation to robbing Dorian blind. Combination of a little luck and good managing and the Av’s look set

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: I don’t believe that we know that Bear is ahead of Persson on the PP depth chart.There were comments during the off-season (TC?) about his ability to run the blue line on the PP.They might give it a look before givingBear one.

    We know it because Bear is used on PP2 (along with Nurse) and Persson isn’t.

    Bear has over 12 minutes of PP time this year and Persson 2 minutes (which is more than I thought).

    Yes, Persson’s top skill in the SHL was on the PP – he was elite on the PP. I got a lot of push back a few weeks ago suggesting that I would like to see Persson on the PP over Bear.

    Since then, I went back and looked at Bear on the PP in the WHL and he was elite so I’ve softened on that stance but, yes, Persson coulld/should be PP option.

    My point is that the coach’s clearly have him behind the other 3.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson knocks down a Currie PP shot and back-hands it home for a PP goal.

    Brad Malone with the second assist.

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Re: VGK and overplaying goalies:


    @TomGulittiNHL
    Marc-Andre Fleury after 5-2 loss to Washington:

    “I feel like I wasn’t good. I didn’t make the key saves or I didn’t change the game in a good way for us. I didn’t make those key saves to keep the score close.”

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod/Maksimov/Peluso with a hell of an offensive zone shift following up the PPG and draw another PP – great stuff.

  47. GMB3 says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.
    And Bowen Byram is coming up next.
    Oh my.

    The Matt Duchene trade could very well be the defining moment of Sakics career as a GM

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Vegreville loses in regulation

    Arizona loses in regulation

    Flames are down by a goal early.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod getting some PP2 time with Yamamoto, Bouchard, Cave and Jurco.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors gave up a goal and the first couple of shots but now have 8 straight shots and have taken over the game. Man they are deep with the likes of Jurco and Cave in the lineup. Imagine if they had Joe G. healthy.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner just stopped the puck behind his own net and, essentially passed it to the Baracuda player in front for the easiest empty net goal I’ve ever seen (he was trying to go cross ice but it so didn’t work).

    Think worse that both of Smith’s issues in the LA game.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lagesson just laid out a Baracuda coming across the blue line (clean hit). That’s a way to build momentum while killing a PIM.

  53. flyfish1168 says:

    GMB3:
    Cale Makar is really, really talented.

    Rookie of the year

  54. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lagesson just laid out a Baracuda coming across the blue line (clean hit).That’s a way to build momentum while killing a PIM.

    Thanks for all the updates OP i don’t need sportscenter 🙂

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    rickithebear:
    Manning 8gm; 88:46; 1GA; 0.68 evga/60
    Russell 18gm; 287:57; 4GA; 0.83 evga/60
    Benning 18gm; 235:03; 4 ga; 1.02
    Klefbom 18gm; 332:07; 12GA; 2.17
    Persson 9gm; 134:43; 6ga; 2.67
    Nurse 18gm; 359:58; 17ga; 2.83
    Bear 18gm; 339:31; 16ga; 2.83

    Trade Russell?

    In the words of Tom hanks characters joke in Catch me if you can.

    Knock, Knock!

    Kris Russell is a very good 3LD but he is not a good 2RD.

    Preventing goals against is important for d-men and he does that. Of course, the team also needs to score goals and, yes Rikki, d-men are a part of that.

    When Persson was hurt and Russell was playing 2RD, the Oilers scored 9 goals in 7 games and it was not a total coincidence.

    By your numbers, Brandon Manning is the top d-man but we know he’s not an NHL level d-men.

    I am happy with Russell at 3LD right now (although I’m not sure that Lagesson or Jones could not do a similar defensive job at 5 on 5 and help the offence more – PK would take a hit) but its 100% imperative he is disposed of for $4M of cap space in the off-season.

  56. who says:

    ArmchairGM: Yeah: Benning has had success and Larsson has had mixed results. So his idea to promote Benning and have Larsson return to the third pairing has merit.

    When Benning is a better dman than Larrson you can promote him past Larsson
    I doubt that day ever comes, and if you think we are already there, well, I guess it’s safe to say we see the game very differently.

  57. leadfarmer says:

    flyfish1168: Rookie of the year

    Worst Ricki D of the year

  58. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Vegreville loses in regulation

    Arizona loses in regulation

    Flames are down by a goal early.

    I’m so on board with referring to VGK as Vegreville.

  59. Wilde says:

    Yarcobello playing with skill!

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Yep.
    And Bowen Byram is coming up next.
    Oh my.

    I predicted the Avs to come out of the West this year and, damn, they are set up with some more high talent players coming – not just Byram but Newhook, etc.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish: Rookie of the year

    If he stays healthy, I don’t see anyone else in the conversation.

  62. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sure, he had the skill-set but he was not developed in to this type of player.

    This is not the same Kassian from his early days or even his early Oiler days.This is a more developed player.In fact, the player from this year is a more developed player from the one that produced down the stretch as 1RW last year.Kudos to Zack for improving and reaching this potential, as a player, a leader and a person

    Okay OP, I’ve got to call you on this one.
    You’ve changed your tune on Koskinen over the last year and now you’re spinning your take on Kassian from a year ago.
    Did you, or did you not say, that Kassian should never play in the top 6? Did you not say that he would lose his effectiveness if he played on a skill line? Cause I remember having this conversation with you last fall. Why can’t you just admit you were wrong about the player?
    It’s not that hard. I’ll go first.
    I was wrong about Bear. I never thought he’d be more than a 3rd pairing, powerplay specialist. If he made it at all.
    I was wrong about Spooner for Strome. I thought it was meh for meh. Clearly Strome is a better player.
    Now you go.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Shocker: Yamamoto draws a penalty – his 12th drawn penalty of the year (this time will SH).

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maskimov comes out of the penalty box and throws a solid hit – good to see him using the big frame.

  65. Side says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Got your message Stephen but for some reason can’r reply directly.

    Thanks for the input…right up my alley.

    Best.

    If you have left overs you could slice it or dice it up, fry it in a pan on medium – medium high until crisp and use the fat to cook eggs or fresh shanghai noodles.

    Shanghai noodles fried in the fat, add some soy sauce, hoisin, oyster sauce. Add green onions and top with the crispy pork belly. Good stuff.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie ties it up from Benson and Malone.

    Malone with an OK pass out to the slot – Benson’s shot blocked but he shovels the rebound over to Currie for an open net goal.

    2-2.

  67. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Skinner just stopped the puck behind his own net and, essentially passed it to the Baracuda player in front for the easiest empty net goal I’ve ever seen (he was trying to go cross ice but it so didn’t work).

    Think worse that both of Smith’s issues in the LA game.

    This was amazing oh my godd

  68. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: We know it because Bear is used on PP2 (along with Nurse) and Persson isn’t.
    Bear has over 12 minutes of PP time this year and Persson 2 minutes (which is more than I thought).

    So he has been used. “Isn’t” is incorrect.

    PP2 has been a mirage wrapped in a figment of our imagination that appears only when announced by its harbinger the cicada antarcticus which only appears every second or third Ice Age… or so.

    The point being we haven’t seen enough of PP2 to “know” what Tippett’s long term philosophy is with regards to personnel and position.

    Persson has spent material time injured, and that includes a couple of games after his returns from injury. He was not an option during those times and that likely is a contributing factor to his PPTOI.

    Also Tippett has been slow-playing the New Euros, allowing them time to adjust, so it’s difficult to say what his long term plans are for any of them and those plans likely are affected by their ability to successfully make adjustments.

    PP2 appears to be, in its limited appearances, somewhat of a reward powerplay… or going with whoever-is-hot powerplay. But I’m speculating (and willing to admit it) because we see so little of it. Because of his offensive contributions last game, maybe Persson’s next up. Who’s to say?

    We can surmise or speculate that Bear is ahead of Persson for PP2 long term this season, based on the limited evidence we have to this date, but “know” is far too strong a word here.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jurco with a nice pass to Malone for the Condors’ second PP goal – Jones with the 2nd assist.

    Condors finally take the well deserved lead.

  70. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    McLeod getting some PP2 time with Yamamoto, Bouchard, Cave and Jurco.

    Well that’s interesting… Although I’m guessing the Marody injury is playing a role.

  71. Wilde says:

    Wilde:
    Yarcobello playing with skill!

    jk i hate you woodcroft read my posts

  72. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’m so on board with referring to VGK as Vegreville.

    Moi aussi. I mean ya takoszh.

  73. flyfish1168 says:

    Is Samorukov Hurt ?

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    Blues go ahead 2-0 against the flames – 6 minutes left in the 2nd

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie sends Yamamoto in for a quick break, Yama almost scores but does draw his second PP of the game and (14th of the year) – wild how many PPs this kid is drawing.

  76. Munny says:

    GMB3,

    With a primary assist to cap space.

  77. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I deleted a post because I thought I screwed up the season’s data.

    But I didn’t.

    I screwed up thinking I had screwed up.

    Enough squinting for tonight.

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson walks in from the point to the top of the circles on the 4 on 3 PP and puts one off the cross-bar and in for this 2nd of the game (3rd point).

    Benson is just driving right now.

    Jones and Jurco each pick up their 2nd PP assists of the period.

  79. tileguy says:

    who: Okay OP, I’ve got to call you on this one.
    You’ve changed your tune on Koskinen over the last year and now you’re spinning your take on Kassian from a year ago.
    Did you, or did you not say, that Kassian should never play in the top 6? Did you not say that he would lose his effectiveness if he played on a skill line? Cause I remember having this conversation with you last fall. Why can’t you just admit you were wrong about the player?
    It’s not that hard. I’ll go first.
    I was wrong about Bear. I never thought he’d be more than a 3rd pairing, powerplay specialist. If he made it at all.
    I was wrong about Spooner for Strome. I thought it was meh for meh. Clearly Strome is a better player.
    Now you go.

    Well since we are all bearing our souls, I was wrong about Omark.

  80. rickithebear says:

    Chaisson was signed ( July 1) before the Neal trade. ( July 19)
    Neal is getting Chaissons PPU1 role.
    Is the other winger on the Neal -RNH line
    2 Nd line min is with Granlund Haas

    If we sign Connally evg; 1.71 evg/M, top min with Hoffman, Trochek.
    Oilers he gets PPU2
    Other winger on RNH line

    With Connaly signed, do we sign.
    Haas .925M 2evg; 2.16 evg/M ( July 1)
    Archibald 1M 2.52 PKGA/60 ( July 16); 36.00% off ZS
    Sheahan .9M 6.64 PKGA/60 ( sept 5); 19.44% off ZS

    Sub 40% FO off ZS facing 1st comp are expected to have -26 to -30 or greater goal diff seasons.

    Facing sub 20 is kind of Sheahan s thing last 2 yr.
    No real data group to establish an expected goal diff season rate.

  81. rickithebear says:

    The difference in Koskinens performance this year and last.
    Open HD shot save% baseline established by the defence under Tippett.

  82. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Blues go ahead 2-0 against the flames – 6 minutes left in the 2nd

    Nice to see sleazeball Gio get burned for taking a hacking penalty.

  83. Halfwise says:

    rickithebear:
    Manning 8gm; 88:46; 1GA; 0.68 evga/60
    Russell 18gm; 287:57; 4GA; 0.83 evga/60
    Benning 18gm; 235:03; 4 ga; 1.02
    Klefbom 18gm; 332:07; 12GA; 2.17
    Persson 9gm; 134:43; 6ga; 2.67
    Nurse 18gm; 359:58; 17ga; 2.83
    Bear 18gm; 339:31; 16ga; 2.83

    Trade Russell?

    In the words of Tom hanks characters joke in Catch me if you can.

    Knock, Knock!

    Mr. Bear, each of us is equipped with a “Something I believe sincerely is incorrect or incomplete” detector.

    You need to allow yours to function. Maybe give it a knock-knock.

    Your numbers may be correct but your conclusions do not work properly on the ice. The best D-men for NHL hockey are not at the top of your list.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Okay OP, I’ve got to call you on this one.
    You’ve changed your tune on Koskinen over the last year and now you’re spinning your take on Kassian from a year ago.
    Did you, or did you not say, that Kassian should never play in the top 6? Did you not say that he would lose his effectiveness if he played on a skill line? Cause I remember having this conversation with you last fall. Why can’t you just admit you were wrong about the player?
    It’s not that hard. I’ll go first.
    I was wrong about Bear. I never thought he’d be more than a 3rd pairing, powerplay specialist. If he made it at all.
    I was wrong about Spooner for Strome. I thought it was meh for meh. Clearly Strome is a better player.
    Now you go.

    who: Okay OP, I’ve got to call you on this one.
    You’ve changed your tune on Koskinen over the last year and now you’re spinning your take on Kassian from a year ago.
    Did you, or did you not say, that Kassian should never play in the top 6? Did you not say that he would lose his effectiveness if he played on a skill line? Cause I remember having this conversation with you last fall. Why can’t you just admit you were wrong about the player?
    It’s not that hard. I’ll go first.
    I was wrong about Bear. I never thought he’d be more than a 3rd pairing, powerplay specialist. If he made it at all.
    I was wrong about Spooner for Strome. I thought it was meh for meh. Clearly Strome is a better player.
    Now you go.

    Absolutely I said that and, yes, clearly I was wrong but I remain of the opinion that Kass is a different player, a more developed and smarter player, than he was even a year ago. I was wrong – I didn’t think he could become this type of player at this stage of his career.

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: So he has been used. “Isn’t” is incorrect.

    PP2 has been a mirage wrapped in a figment of our imagination that appears only when announced by its harbinger the cicada antarcticus which only appears every second or third Ice Age… or so.

    The point being we haven’t seen enough of PP2 to “know” what Tippett’s long term philosophy is with regards to personnel and position.

    Persson has spent material time injured, and that includes a couple of games after his returns from injury.He was not an option during those times and that likely is a contributing factor to his PPTOI.

    Also Tippett has been slow-playing the New Euros, allowing them time to adjust, so it’s difficult to say what his long term plans are for any of them and those plans likely are affected by their ability to successfully make adjustments.

    PP2 appears to be, in its limited appearances, somewhat of a reward powerplay… or going with whoever-is-hot powerplay. But I’m speculating (and willing to admit it) because we see so little of it.Because of his offensive contributions last game, maybe Persson’s next up.Who’s to say?

    We can surmise or speculate that Bear is ahead of Persson for PP2 long term this season, based on the limited evidence we have to this date, but “know” is far too strong a word here.

    I never said anything about long term – I said the he’s behind both Bear and Nurse on the PP depth chart and I’m not sure how that is arguable given the fact the he’s rolled those two out on PP2 (together) consistently for quite a while now.

  86. Pouzar says:

    Very nice scoreboard tonight…Vegas and Arizona go down in regulation…don’t f^ck it up St. Louis.

  87. Reja says:

    Lots of possible injuries piling up tonight does Jesse’s value increase. There’s less than a month left for a GM to pick up a raw talented former 4th overall puck for cheap.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto forces a turnover – Jurco (who had an assist taken away and given to Malone) gets his now 2nd assist of the game on a wonderful play to Cave for the goal. Kailer with an apple.

  89. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m probably just picking nits here but neither of us have seen the coach’s depth chart, and I don’t think anyone can speak with much certainty about which personnel will be used the next time it makes an appearance… at any position.

    And I’m probably thinking you’re saying something more unequivocally than you intend, but you typically intend things unequivocally. 😉

  90. Pinus says:

    tileguy</a
    Side,

    Fry up your left over belly with shredded cabbage and ladel over a thinner pancake batter. Japanese pizza…. Google Okonomyaki. A true treat.

  91. Munny says:

    Five to go in Calgary, This is when they start playing.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I’m probably just picking nits here but neither of us have seen the coach’s depth chart, and I don’t think anyone can speak with much certainty about which personnel will be used the next time it makes an appearance… at any position.

    And I’m probably thinking you’re saying something more unequivocally than you intend, but you typically intend things unequivocally.

    Of course, I don’t know for sure what they are going to do, however, I do see Bear and Nurse coming over the board repeatedly on PP2 and not Persson so, I am confident that, for now. the coaching staff have Persson behind the Nurse and Bear as far as the PP goes.

  93. Gerta Rauss says:

    Munny:
    Five to go in Calgary, This is when they start playing.

    Yeah, they’ve got ’em right where they want ’em LOL

  94. Pouzar says:

    unfuckingbelievable.

  95. Gerta Rauss says:

    Oh dear

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Efffing flames and their late game comebacks – geezus Binnington.

  97. Victoria Oil says:

    Merde! Flames tie it up.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson hits the empty net for the Hatty!

  99. Gerta Rauss says:

    Don’t cry for me Argentina..!

    Perron with the OT winner

  100. jp says:

    Condors (unlike the Blues, in regulation) able to close it out. They’ve had a few collapses this year so good to see.

    Benson and Malone with 4 points each.

    I wonder if that Malone kid is the next man up? 😛

    I shouldn’t joke. He is having quite a year though.

    Great to see Benson with 3 goals on the night. Hopefully he can keep pushing and earn the call in the next few months.

  101. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sounds like the Q (and, at that time, it was equivalent to 19G/35A in the W).

    The Q has that reputation, but in this case not so much.

    Mario scored 282 points leading the league by more than 100. 2nd place (Jacques Goyette, who was apparently Mario’s linemate and seems never to have played pro hockey) had 170.

    2 guys in the WHL (Ray Ferraro with 192 and Dan Hodgson with 181) scored more than 2nd place in the Q.

    10th place scorer in the WHL had 122 points. 10th in the Q had 120 points.

    I didn’t try to figure out actual goals per game, but there doesn’t seem much of a gap in scoring between the leagues in 1984.

    Tidbit: Dan Hodgson followed up his 181 point season with 182 the next year. Then spent the next 4 seasons bouncing between the NHL and AHL/IHL. He could never stick full time and went to Europe after that, playing for many years in Switzerland. He scored 74 points in 114 NHL games, but it wasn’t enough for him to keep an NHL job. Huh.

  102. rickithebear says:

    Halfwise: Mr. Bear, each of us is equipped with a “Something I believe sincerely is incorrect or incomplete” detector.

    You need to allow yours to function. Maybe give it a knock-knock.

    Your numbers may be correct but your conclusions do not work properly on the ice. The best D-men for NHL hockey are not at the top of your list.

    7 of 8 final 4 are top GA teams.
    Not
    7 of 8 final 4 teams are poor GA teams

    You win almost all the games you give up 2 GA
    You lose almost All the games you give up 4 GA
    Historically You are worse than sub 50% win % in games you give up 3 GA

    Your position is
    A sub 1.10 evga/60 dman are bad for your team.
    2.67+ evga/60 dmen are good for your team.

    With usually 48 min of even play.

    You want dpairs that will give up greater than 2.25 evg over 48 minutes for the season.
    Rather than Dpairs that give up .88 evg over 48 minutes for the season.

    Leaves a real small margin for winning success.
    Needing 3 to 4 GF to win a game.

    My bull shit meter was screaming after your post!

  103. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yamamoto forces a turnover – Jurco (who had an assist taken away and given to Malone) gets his now 2nd assist of the game on a wonderful play to Cave for the goal.Kailer with an apple.

    Yamamoto actually redirected that Jurco pass perfectly with his skates; slowed it right down and put it in the gliding path of Cave. Extremely Kailer play.

    https://streamable.com/qgh8w

  104. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Benson walks in from the point to the top of the circles on the 4 on 3 PP and puts one off the cross-bar and in for this 2nd of the game (3rd point).

    Benson is just driving right now.

    Jones and Jurco each pick up their 2nd PP assists of the period.

    Benson starts scoring after I call him out on Lowetide. (i.e. zero goals doesn’t get you to the show) Who do I call out next?

  105. Side says:

    godot10: Benson starts scoring after I call him out on Lowetide. (i.e. zero goals doesn’t get you to the show) Who do I call out next?

    All of our bottom 6 please.

  106. Pescador says:

    godot10: Benson starts scoring after I call him out on Lowetide. (i.e. zero goals doesn’t get you to the show) Who do I call out next?

    I would like to score more than I currently do

  107. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    godot10: Benson starts scoring after I call him out on Lowetide. (i.e. zero goals doesn’t get you to the show) Who do I call out next?

    Call out all nhl teams for for letting the godless fLames always tie the frickin game when their down late in their games!!!!

  108. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    No one sees the Oiler PP2 repeatedly, much less one of the three defenseman it’s employed.

  109. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Does anyone think that Bobby Ryan at 50% + a 2nd (Ottawa has several) retained for Chiasson & Manning to play with Nuge & Neal would be worthwhile? Play him with Drai and CMD once in awhile to give him a boost…..

    I figure he is superior to Gagner and Chiasson. What’s going on with him anyway?

    Thoughts? Insights?

  110. ArmchairGM says:

    who: When Benning is a better dman than Larrson you can promote him past Larsson
    I doubt that day ever comes, and if you think we are already there, well, I guess it’s safe to say we see the game very differently.

    No, it’s just that I’m looking at results and you aren’t.

  111. ArmchairGM says:

    Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes:
    Does anyone think that Bobby Ryan at 50% + a 2nd (Ottawa has several) retained for Chiasson & Manning to play with Nuge & Neal would be worthwhile?Play him with Drai and CMD once in awhile to give him a boost…..

    I figure he is superior to Gagner and Chiasson.What’s going on with him anyway?

    Thoughts?Insights?

    The problem is term. Ryan has 2 more years left after this one. We just got rid of Lucic, why are you suggesting we take on Ryan??

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    OriginalPouzar,

    No one sees the Oiler PP2 repeatedly, much less one of the three defenseman it’s employed.

    This is factually incorrect. They don’t play much but they do play and, pretty much every time over recent weeks, its been Bear and Nurse on PP2.

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Wilde: How could this possibly be? This idea by itself seems impossible in any situation at all, but particularly with a 5-12 forward set like the Oilers, even more so.

    I mean that often we pine for some average or less player feeling they would have made all of the difference.

    Sure 5 better players would do it. But given cap the sure fire options probably don’t fit and the non sure fire often don’t fair well in Oiler silks up to this point

  114. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Not anymore.

    The only site that did it was offsidereview.com but he shut his site down.

    It’s on the “list” for PuckIQ as we value having those, but if it happens this season it won’t be until spring.

    i have 16/17 and 17/19 in this post:

    http://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2018/11/nhl-including-empty-net-goals-in.html?m=1

    But that’s it as far as I can tell.

    Thanks man

  115. Halfwise says:

    rickithebear,

    Mr. Bear it is possible for your information to be correct but incomplete. Quality of Competition, for example, and game state, both affect the numbers. You know this. Contributing to GF is important, not just GA. You may know this but you manage to ignore it.

    Your ranking is correct based on your arithmetic but your arithmetic is incomplete. When your premise is incomplete your conclusion will be flawed.

    Repeating the same wrong things more emphatically is like speaking more loudly to a foreigner hoping that he will now understand your language.

  116. Mr DeBakey says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    Don’t cry for me Argentina..!

    Perron with the OT winner

    Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

  117. godot10 says:

    Side: All of our bottom 6 please.

    I am godot10, not god10.

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