2019-20 Game 19: Oilers at Ducks

by Lowetide

As time goes by, players become associated with major events against specific opposition. Wayne Gretzky’s goal against Mike Vernon of the Calgary Flames, Mark Messier’s famous playoff game against the Chicago Blackhawks, Grant Fuhr’s stone cold shutout of the New York Islanders.

Darnell Nurse is associated with a playoff game against the Anaheim Ducks, sending Ryan Kesler into the crease where he ran roughshod over Cam Talbot and finished the Oilers, spring 2017. Nurse will have more chances to create positive imprints on the fan base and that’s what making the playoffs is all about each spring.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. 

Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Tyler Benson emerging from the pack of Bakersfield Condors hopefuls. (Will link).
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins shines, mad props for Leon Draisaitl and more to like as the Oilers beat the Devils
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What inexperienced defencemen like the Oilers’ Joel Persson must do to gain their coach’s confidence
  • Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers were wise to gamble on Tomas Jurco, even though it didn’t pan out
  • Jonathan Willis: The unlikely goalie performances underpinning the Oilers’ hot start
  • Lowetide: How far away is Evan Bouchard and what role will he play with the Oilers?
  • Scott Wheeler: Analyzing Jesse Puljujarvi’s play in Finland to see what he could offer as an NHLer
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers right to wait until they’re sure before recalling Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide:  Can Leon Draisaitl score more than 50 goals this season?
  • Lowetide: Bakersfield Condors coaching staff continues to mold unheralded players into legit NHL prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Mailbag: Fixing the forward depth, slotting the big three, a Puljujarvi trade and more
  • Minnia Feng: The 2019-20 Oilers fan guide to emotions and stressful circumstances
  • Jonathan Willis: How much will the Oilers have to pay to keep pending free agent Zack Kassian?
  • Lowetide: Sheahan hurt, Oilers in need of a two-way centre; some candidates emerging
  • Jonathan Willis: Handicapping the chase for the Calder after the first month of the 2019-20 NHL season
  • Jonathan Willis: Unproductive Oilers forwards are in danger of losing their jobs — and soon
  • Lowetide: Analyzing the current state of the Edmonton Oilers goaltending.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I don’t think anyone’s feeling comfortable’: Oilers’ Holland pleased but cautious amid early improvements.
  • Jonathan Willis: A rare success during Edmonton’s long rebuild, why Oscar Klefbom is the model for finishing Oilers’ blue line
  • Jonathan Willis: Can the Oilers afford to pursue Taylor Hall in free agency?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS AFTER 19 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 6-12-1, 13 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in 2016: 10-8-1, 21 points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in 2017: 7-10-2, 16 points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in 2018: 9-9-1, 19 points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in 2019: 11-5-2, 24 points; goal differential +8

At 11-5-2, the Oilers delivered a breathtaking first chapter (7-1-0) and then fell to earth (4-4-2) in the 10 games that followed. The injured veterans are beginning to return and that should be good news. Adam Larsson is a week away, can Edmonton go 2-2-0 in the next four games?

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2016: 2-2-1, five points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2017: 3-2-0, six points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2018: 2-3-0, four points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in November 2019: 2-1-1, five points; goal differential +3

Edmonton hasn’t yet delivered a dominant November during the McDavid era, in fact a win today would give this year’s team the best record through five. Oilers were 9-4-1 in October, a repeat of that record in November would mean 38 points in 28 games. That’s a strong enough run to strongly suggest playoffs. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-1-1, 5 points after four games

Anaheim is 2-2-1 in its last five games and hasn’t played since a Tuesday night loss to the Minnesota Wild. Ducks are 6-2-1 at home this season. Edmonton has the percentage edge in five-on-five Corsi (48.5 to 47), shot share (49 to 47), goal share (53 to 42). Edmonton has 14 power-play goals in 84 minutes, Anaheim four power-play goals in 79 minutes.

OILERS 2019-20

Oilers hit the road with more healthy troops and a key will be that third line. Dave Tippett won’t be able to match up lines but if Sheahan’s line can hold its own that’s not as big a deal. Be prepared to be frustrated by the Ducks goaltender. He’s good.

CONDORS 2019-20

Tyler Benson delivered three goals last night, Brad Malone had a big night and the Condors won a game. Caleb Jones remains the best Bakersfield prospect, and Benson plus Yamamoto pushing. This should be a great team to follow winterlong.

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Jordan

Don’t hate these ducks as much without Perry and Kessler. Team is being turned over to rackell, silferburg, and others. Going to be interesting to see how different the team is to play against.

They can’t still come off as dinks and assholes, right?

Oh right Getzlaf. Nevermind, carry on. Nothing to see here.

Let’s go Oilers.

Scungilli Slushy

Thanks Woodguy for the response and link yesterday

Let these creeps have it boys!

Scungilli Slushy

So my 10 YO son is looking over my shoulder asking questions as always. He reads ‘Woodguy’ and is intrigued. I open the link WG shared with us. I show him Woodguy, Woodblog, he sells wood.

My lad says Woodblog, Woodguy – Woodwhy?

Amused me anyway.

Bohologo

Jordan:
Don’t hate these ducks as much without Perry and Kessler.

Dallas Eakins says hi.

jake70

“Darnell Nurse is associated with a playoff game against the Anaheim Ducks….. ”

I don’t know if it was same game but as I was reading that I thought you were going to mention the ring-around-the boards-and out play that Getzlaf seemed to be waiting for, intercepted and then scored.

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy:
So my 10 YO son is looking over my shoulder asking questions as always. He reads ‘Woodguy’ and is intrigued. I open the link WG shared with us. I show him Woodguy, Woodblog, he sells wood.

My lad says Woodblog, Woodguy – Woodwhy?

Amused me anyway.

Wood Why Not?

Wood is good.

Did you catch that NatStatTrick has Empty Net situations now?

Yay!

leadfarmer

Hmmm what about the Canucks Ahl team.
Seems like they vanished in the last week

I really hope they get a good 3rd line C for next year like Pageau and have him center Benson and Yammer with some easier minutes
Jones replacing Russell as 3LD and using that money for a 3C and having some of these young guys filling in some of the depth positions for cheap would go a long way to improving this team next year
But this year let them percolate

Next year
Drai Mcdavid Kassian
Neal Nuge not Chaisson
Benson (Pageau or 3c) Yammer
Rieder Rieder Rieder

Klef Larsson
Nurse Bear
Jones Benning (switch to Bouchard whenever he’s ready)

Seems like the first year we don’t have holes all over the lineup

Abbeef

“Darnell Nurse is associated with a playoff game against the Anaheim Ducks, sending Ryan Kesler into the crease where he ran roughshod over Cam Talbot and finished the Oilers, spring 2017.”

I have to disagree with this as the memory for Nurse. My memory for this event (and I would argue the majority of people) is Kesler with an obvious goaltender interference that is not called. I had no recollection of which Oiler’s D was the one who initially pushed Kesler.

On a different note it’s nice to see Benson picking it up these last couple weeks. Anyone know how bad Marody’s injury is?

Woogie63

This morning in the AHL

Caleb Jones is tied for 2nd in dman scoring
Tyler Benson is tied for 10 in scoring

OilClog

Hopefully we the Oilers cause Getzlaf to backwash in his bottle the proceed to drown Eakins in it. Dallas can eat a bag of ____.

Reja

Bohologo: Dallas Eakins says hi.

How can anyone forget The Swarm.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Excited for the Eakins post-game presser!

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A gem of a comment from last night, that received no response, but made me lol:

PESCADORsays:
November 9, 2019 at 11:44 pm
godot10: Benson starts scoring after I call him out on Lowetide. (i.e. zero goals doesn’t get you to the show) Who do I call out next?

I would like to score more than I currently do
………………………………………………………………………..

And as is his wont, the fish man gets no love…….

Buddy

The NHL video review room had to go full Bettman to drag the Ducks past the Oilers. All other memories of that series are meaningless in comparison.

Material Elvis

Abbeef:
“Darnell Nurse is associated with a playoff game against the Anaheim Ducks, sending Ryan Kesler into the crease where he ran roughshod over Cam Talbot and finished the Oilers, spring 2017.”

I have to disagree with this as the memory for Nurse.My memory for this event (and I would argue the majority of people) is Kesler with an obvious goaltender interference that is not called.I had no recollection of which Oiler’s D was the one who initially pushed Kesler.

On a different note it’s nice to see Benson picking it up these last couple weeks.Anyone know how bad Marody’s injury is?

I didn’t remember that it was Nurse in the crease with Kessler either. My two most prominent Nurse memories are his fight with Hunter Smith and his beat down of Roman Polak. I enjoyed those moments a lot (and I don’t really care about hockey fights).

Halfwise

Buddy:
The NHL video review room had to go full Bettman to drag the Ducks past the Oilers. All other memories of that series are meaningless in comparison.

Friedman showing the replay angle that shut up the rest of the panel…that’s the lasting memory for me.

Brantford Boy

Buddy,

Let’s not forget that infamous timeout the Oilers coach called after the first 2 goals to get everyone focused with minutes left to play… oh wait, Oilers coaches don’t call timeouts… and wasn’t Lucic out there for the PK lumbering at the blueline using said “swarm” system?

Woodguy v2.0

This is an interesting comparison:

EDM 5v5 GF%
McDavid On – 64.3%
RNH On – 69.2%
Neither On – 22.2%

ANA 5v5 GF%
Getzlaf On – 60.0%
Henrique On – 71.4%
Neither On – 38.5%

Two top heavy teams with bottom 6’s that give a bunch of it back.

Let’s see how much everyone is PDOing

EDM 5v5 PDO
McDavid On -1060
RNH On – 1040
Neither On – 930

ANA 5v5 PDO
Getzlaf On – 1030
Henrique On – 1077
Neither On – 985

McDavid and Nuge are due to regress down (probably about 30pts each) and the bottom six to regress up (at least 40pts and probably more)

Getzlaf is close to the same boat at RNH, but Henrique’s PDO pony is a Stallion right now and he will get bucked off. I hope its tonight.

Interestingly the bottom 6 of ANA isn’t too far off expectation with a PDO of 985 with their miserable GF% of 38.5%

I like both Sam Steele and Troy Terry and I expect them to improve as their rookiness wears off.

Now, a good goalie can keep a team’s PDO above 1000 for seasons (see Lundqvist and NYR for years), but Henrique is riding a 13.9% ONSH% and the best in the world can’t keep that up and he’s not among the best in the world.

From 16/17 until today, here are the top 10 player in On Ice SH% (ONSH%)

Evgeny Kuznetsov 11.0
Patrik Laine 10.6
Connor McDavid 10.5
Alex Ovechkin 10.5
Nikita Kucherov 10.2
Brayden Point 10.1
Tom Wilson 10.1
Leon Draisaitl 10.1
Mark Scheifele 10.1
T.J. Oshie 10.0

So basically WSH top 6, EDM top line , TBY’s top line and Laine.

Henrique is 8.4% over the same time period.

He’s coming down to earth, let us ask The Gords that it starts today.

Also,

Manson being out for ANA is a big deal. They are 3-3-1 since he went down.

He *always* extracts punishment for going to his side of the ice and has beat on 97/29 for the last couple of years.

He’s like Larsson but bigger and a better skater. Both are mean bastards.

So Bob Murray went and got Gubranson to replace him, which I’m not sure will work out well given Gubranson’s much slower skating than Manson, but Lindholm can cover a lot of sins.

Last game ANA’s pairs were:
Fowler-Del Zotto
Lindholm-Gubranson
Larsson-Holzer

That’s a Dcorps that can beaten.

I read that rookie Mahura was practicing with Fowler, but not sure if that’s true.

As LT mentioned earlier they have Gibson in net.

By many measures he’s been the best goalie in the NHL over the past few seasons but gets played a ton and gets injured because of it.

Since they haven’t played since Tuesday he’ll be fresh, let’s hope he’s got some rust too.

GOILERS!!!

*clap,clap*

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer:
Hmmm what about the Canucks Ahl team.
Seems like they vanished in the last week

I really hope they get a good 3rd line C for next year like Pageau and have him center Benson and Yammer with some easier minutes
Jones replacing Russell as 3LD and using that money for a 3C and having some of these young guys filling in some of the depth positions for cheap would go a long way to improving this team next year
But this year let them percolate

Next year
Drai Mcdavid Kassian
Neal Nuge not Chaisson
Benson (Pageau or 3c) Yammer
Rieder Rieder Rieder

Klef Larsson
Nurse Bear
Jones Benning (switch to Bouchard whenever he’s ready)

Seems like the first year we don’t have holes all over the lineup

Since you asked.
Utica won last night.
They’ve been hampered by injuries to leading scorer Reid Boucher, Jonah Gadjovich and call ups of Baertschi and a couple of D.
Still 9-4 on the season.

jm363561

I was on vacation in Greece and watched the game in the middle of the night. With seven or eight minutes to go I figured the game was won and decided to get some sleep. Having put my head down I figured I would just check on the final couple of minutes and …… 3-2. The rest is history. I also vividly remember McD and Drai slumped against the boards in disbelief at the end.

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Does anyone think that Bobby Ryan at 50% + a 2nd (Ottawa has several) retained for Chiasson & Manning to play with Nuge & Neal would be worthwhile? Play him with Drai and CMD once in awhile to give him a boost…..

What’s going on with him anyway?

Thoughts? Insights?

Harpers Hair

Twinkle Mo’ Fo’ Toes:
Does anyone think that Bobby Ryan at 50% + a 2nd (Ottawa has several) retained for Chiasson & Manning to play with Nuge & Neal would be worthwhile? Play him with Drai and CMD once in awhile to give him a boost…..

What’s going on with him anyway?

Thoughts? Insights?

Well…he’s been a healthy scratch on the worst team in the league if that tells you anything.

Woodguy v2.0

Abbeef:
“Darnell Nurse is associated with a playoff game against the Anaheim Ducks, sending Ryan Kesler into the crease where he ran roughshod over Cam Talbot and finished the Oilers, spring 2017.”

I have to disagree with this as the memory for Nurse.My memory for this event (and I would argue the majority of people) is Kesler with an obvious goaltender interference that is not called.I had no recollection of which Oiler’s D was the one who initially pushed Kesler.

On a different note it’s nice to see Benson picking it up these last couple weeks.Anyone know how bad Marody’s injury is?

Nurse cross checked Kessler right into Talbot.

Kessler took full advantage.

Also,

Brantford Boy,

Not calling a time out there was beyond the pale.

It seems like McLellan was always saving his timeouts so he could spend them in his retirement. (h/t to RiversQ for that one)

It was something that always pissed me off about McLellan throughout his tenure, but not calling one after the second goal might have changed the rest of that game and the series.

tileguy

Buddy:
The NHL video review room had to go full Bettman to drag the Ducks past the Oilers. All other memories of that series are meaningless in comparison.

I roll my eyes whenever I read a comment about the refs/nhl conspiring against the Oil from the tinfoil hat crowd, but, If there ever was an exhibit 1.

Brogan Rafferty's Uncle Steve

Twinkle Mo’ Fo’ Toes:
Does anyone think that Bobby Ryan at 50% + a 2nd (Ottawa has several) retained for Chiasson & Manning to play with Nuge & Neal would be worthwhile? Play him with Drai and CMD once in awhile to give him a boost…..

What’s going on with him anyway?

Thoughts? Insights?

Ryan’s contract is for 2 more years. Hard pass.

€√¥£€^$

Harpers Hair: Well…he’s been a healthy scratch on the worst team in the league if that tells you anything.

Yes, the coach hates him, seen this show before. James Neil says Hi.

So Bobby Ryan has lost his skill it seems…..

Spartacus

“Oilers were 9-4-1 in October, a repeat of that record in November would mean 38 points in 28 games. That’s a strong enough run to strongly suggest playoffs. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.”

Ahead of ourselves?

I’m beside myself!

Jethro Tull

Woodguy v2.0: Nurse cross checked Kessler right into Talbot.

Kessler took full advantage.

I have never understood why D risk either running their own goalie, or push opposing players into him. I’d be livid as a coach if a young Darnell injured my hot goalie. But it was a “tough hockey play”, so it’s on his resume to get paid with.

Also, that was the series that Pete got massive confirmation bias that the Oilers weren’t built to win in the west because the refs ruined the game but he though it was due to gritensity. He traded Eberle based on ‘soft play’. He really doidn’t realize that he’d actually built a competitive team and proceeded to dismantle it because it din’t fit his ‘vision’. Ken may well do the same if we make the playoffs or are close.

jm363561

Extract from a post yesterday by Woodguy:

“Expanded 5v5 EDM Goal Share (GF%) via 1st line, 2nd line, bottom 6:
McDavid on (19-10) 66%
Nuge On (9-4) 69% (nice)
Neither On (4-14) 21%”

First, so many great posts recently Woodguy. Thank you.

Earlier in today’s thread you posted % goal share for McD and Nuge on / off, and had a similar post yesterday (copied in). Using your yesterday’s numbers while McD’s share is only 66% vs Nuge’s 69% (“nice”), McD’s contribution of +9 goals is more important than Nuge’s +5. Similarly, the much maligned bottom six have a dreadful 21% share, but have (only) given up a net 10 goals. If their goal numbers had been 8-28, the goal share would still be 21% but giving up a net -20 would have been catastrophic.

The GS% numbers seem less relevant than the absolute goals. Am I right?

godot10

Jordan:
Don’t hate these ducks as much without Perry and Kessler.Team is being turned over to rackell, silferburg, and others.Going to be interesting to see how different the team is to play against.

They can’t still come off as dinks and assholes, right?

Oh right Getzlaf.Nevermind, carry on.Nothing to see here.

Let’s go Oilers.

You just have to look behind their bench.

godot10

jake70:
“Darnell Nurse is associated with a playoff game against the Anaheim Ducks….. ”

I don’t know if it was same game but as I was reading that I thought you were going to mention the ring-around-the boards-and out play that Getzlaf seemed to be waiting for, intercepted and then scored.

That was McLellan and Jim Johnson. Not Darnell. You can’t blame the player for executing the system. Getzlaf saw the system for years in games against San Jose.

Munny

Jethro Tull: I have never understood why D risk either running their own goalie, or push opposing players into him. I’d be livid as a coach if a young Darnell injured my hot goalie. But it was a “tough hockey play”, so it’s on his resume to get paid with.

M.A.B.

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Jethro Tull

Munny: M.A.B.

I was just a bit sick in my mouth….

teddyturnbuckle

Good to see Benson catching fire. Over the summer I was hoping Benson would play with Nuge at some point this year.

Woodguy v2.0

jm363561:
Extract from a post yesterday by Woodguy:

“Expanded 5v5 EDM Goal Share (GF%) via 1st line, 2nd line, bottom 6:
McDavid on (19-10) 66%
Nuge On (9-4) 69% (nice)
Neither On (4-14) 21%”

First, so many great posts recently Woodguy. Thank you.

Earlier in today’s thread you posted % goal share for McD and Nuge on / off, and had a similar post yesterday (copied in). Using your yesterday’s numbers while McD’s share is only 66% vs Nuge’s 69% (“nice”), McD’s contribution of +9 goals is more important than Nuge’s +5. Similarly, the much maligned bottom six have a dreadful 21% share, but have (only) given up a net 10 goals. If their goal numbers had been 8-28, the goal share would still be 21% but giving up a net -20 would have been catastrophic.

The GS% numbers seem less relevant than the absolute goals. Am I right?

I understand what you are saying.

I like using GF% as it allows us to compare with different TOI for the sections you are looking at.

“Is the line/group winning the 5v5 goal battle” is what I’m looking at.

If you want to look at total overall goal share then you need to include PP and PK, but I’m just looking at 5v5.

It also allows us to look at it in real time.

You mentioned that “-10 isn’t as catastrophic as -20”, but we are only at game 19 tonight.

That’s straight-line projects to -45 on the year, which would be a disaster.

Sum up: I like rates because it tells you what is happening now and helps show you the future. Absolute numbers change with every game.

That said I do post my GF% updates after each game, and those have goals so everyone can see them.

Reja

Halfwise: Friedman showing the replay angle that shut up the rest of the panel…that’s the lasting memory for me.

If Smith was in net the Goal wouldn’t have counted. This is where having a vocal experienced netminder going full Curtis Joseph would have forced the control centre to side with the Goalie and not embarrassing the process. Talbot was way to calm gave the TO boys a out.

Woodguy v2.0

Eakins did a podcast with Craig Custance recently.

Custance has *the best* hockey podcast interviews with people who matter in hockey, and it not close imo.

Eakins was very contrite about his mistakes in EDM and especially on how he treated Hall.

I think he still puts too much emphasis on military/culture for my taste, but no one is perfect.

Its worth a listen: https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/1189884754704945152

Woodguy v2.0

godot10: That was McLellan and Jim Johnson.Not Darnell.You can’t blame the player for executing the system.Getzlaf saw the system for years in games against San Jose.

Cross checking a player into your own goalie is not a part of any system.

Rookies gonna rook.

Reja

Harpers Hair: Since you asked.
Utica won last night.
They’ve been hampered by injuries to leading scorer Reid Boucher, Jonah Gadjovich and call ups of Baertschi and a couple of D.
Still 9-4 on the season.

You can’t very well tease us with only AHL news from the Canucks. what about their ECHL prospects is anyone close to making the jump to Utica?

godot10

Woodguy v2.0: Cross checking a player into your own goalie is not a part of any system.

Rookies gonna rook.

I was replying to “ring-around-the-rosie” to Getzlaf.

leadfarmer

Bobby Ryan
Yuck
Goal is to get faster
Not slower
We already have lots of slow boots

Pescador

leadfarmer:
Hmmm what about the Canucks Ahl team.
Seems like they vanished in the last week

I really hope they get a good 3rd line C for next year like Pageau and have him center Benson and Yammer with some easier minutes
Jones replacing Russell as 3LD and using that money for a 3C and having some of these young guys filling in some of the depth positions for cheap would go a long way to improving this team next year
But this year let them percolate

Next year
Drai Mcdavid Kassian
Neal Nuge *[Whatever Holland can steal for Puljujarvi]*
Benson (Pageau or 3c) Yammer
Rieder Hass Rieder

Klef Larsson
Nurse Bear
Jones Benning (switch to Bouchard whenever he’s ready)
Lagesson

Seems like the first year we don’t have holes all over the lineup

Hope you don’t mind, I made a few additions to your line up
Ken Holland is going to completely revamp the 2nd line by trading Oiler castoffs.
Pageau is a pisscutter’s pisscutter as far as 3C’s go

jtblack

WG. Can you post the standard fame day McD on/ off ?

GIBSON is Vezina worthy.

Johnny skid

Woodguy v2.0: Eakins was very contrite about his mistakes in EDM and especially on how he treated Hall.

no mention of his treatment of yakapov.

jtblack

BOBBY RYAN. $7.25 MIL PER AGE 32
2 MORE YRS ON CONTRACT

GOALS LAST 3 YRS
13
11
15
So far this year. 1 GOAL.

Not good defensively. Not a Good skater.

leeinvan

It’s interesting when you mention Nurse, some people talk about him like he is the best d man in the game. Others are sceptical he is even a #3 d man.
One thing for sure, he does make some mental mistakes that always seem to create havoc when this happens.
Holland did not draft him, if Nurse demands too much, then the Oiler’s will trade him, if Nurse wants 7 mill to be a true # 3 d man, then I’m fine with a trade as long as we get value.
Both NYR and the Canucks severely over paid for D men this season, those mistakes come back to haunt you.

OriginalPouzar

The Ducks go as John Gibson goes – if the Oilers can pump a few past Gibson tonight, they should come away with two points.

Koski starting is a no-brainer (and Smith gets the net back on Tuesday unless Koski goes SuperNova in net, and maybe even if he does).

Can’t imagine a lineup change after the solid game against Jersey except for Nygard in for Granlund or Russell, if he’s healthy. Nygard has been talked about as a top 6 option when he’s back and that is likely to be the case, but, if he’s healthy for tonight, I don’t think they break up the Nuge line after last game so Nygard will get to ease in as a winger on the Haas line – I would think.

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Dr. Taboggan,

For gits and shingles, here is a comparison of Bobby Ryan to Alex Chiasson from last season to now via NST..

Bobby Ryan Alex Chiasson
OTT Team EDM
R Position R
90 GP 88
1114 TOI 1135
1016 CF 974
1208 CA 1109
45.68 CF% 46.76
762 FF 715
898 FA 833
45.90 FF% 46.19
534 SF 505
657 SA 584
44.84 SF% 46.37
44 GF 38
61 vGA 39
41.90 GF% 49.35
37.53 xGF 40.19
47.4 xGA 42.52
44.19 xGF% 48.60
436 SCF 458
538 SCA 510
44.76 SCF% 47.31
193 HDCF 180
216 HDCA 213
47.19 HDCF% 45.80
28 HDGF 24
25 HDGA 24
52.83 HDGF% 50.00
243. MDCF 278
322 MDCA 297
43.01 MDCF% 48.35
10 MDGF 11
22 MDGA 8
31.25 MDGF% 57.89
467 LDCF 420
577 LDCA 483
44.73 LDCF% 46.51
6 LDGF 3
13 LDGA 7
31.58 LDGF% 30.00
8.24 On-Ice SH% 7.52
90.72 On-Ice SV% 93.32
0.990 PDO 1.008
208 Off. Zone Starts 216
276 Neu. Zone Starts 283
168 Def. Zone Starts 208
859 On The Fly Starts 801
55.32 Off. Zone Start % 50.94
346 Off. Zone Faceoffs 359
391 Neu. Zone Faceoffs 382
350 Def. Zone Faceoffs 375
49.71 Off. Zone Faceoff % 48.91

Looking at some of his numbers, specifically GF vs Elites, he had as many as Stone and more than Dzingle. FWIW Chris Tierney led the pack. Ryan and Tierney beld GA, however.

My point is, Ryan is still able to produce and with a Centre like Nuge, or with linemates like Drai and 97, he is likely going to produce superior offensive results than anyone on the current roster. In addition, it is conceivable Holland could pry a decent draft pick in a deep draft, while moving out inferior players….

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Ack, I spent some time to sort this out so it would readable and this is what it looks like when I post. Sorry about this