2019-20 Game 24: Oilers at Kings

It’s been a long time between drinks of water for the Edmonton Oilers in the NHL draft’s fifth round. Miro Satan, Jason Chimera, Walt Poddubny, Shaun Van Allen, and now Ethan Bear. It’s important to note drafting success and for the organization to value it heavily. Those amateur scouts are some of the most important people in an organization. Their success drives team success. Ethan Bear is an important player for the Oilers. Vital that the team cashes another fifth rounder in a more timely fashion. That gap between Bear and Jason Chimera? 18 years.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here.

  • New Jonathan Willis: A list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Woodcroft on Benson’s ‘gift,’ the next step for Bouchard and acting like a proud parent watching the Oilers
  • New Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson’s demotion highlights difficult adjustment for Oilers’ ‘European showtime’ trio
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Evaluating the Oilers’ readiness for the 2021 Seattle expansion draft
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ college procurement could increase under Ken Holland
  • Jonathan Willis: A shift-by-shift analysis of Caleb Jones in his Oilers season debut
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Sometimes it’s just unstoppable’: How McDavid and the Oilers’ power play dominated the Avalanche
  • Jonathan Willis: Darnell Nurse, Caleb Jones and the crisis that’s looming in the Oilers’ middle distance
  • Jonathan Willis: Basically, yes, the Oilers should keep Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ‘forever’
  • Lowetide: Why the recall of NHL-ready Caleb Jones should benefit the Oilers in the long run
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Report Cards: Several drivers make the grade but Edmonton’s bus still has a few passengers
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanFrom 4 to 97, Oilers both new and old share the stories behind their jersey numbers
  • Jonathan Willis: Could a fall trade improve the fortunes of your NHL team in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: Analyzing Dave Tippett’s defensive usage and what the Oilers will do when Adam Larsson returns
  • Lowetide: What’s going on with the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins shines, mad props for Leon Draisaitl and more to like as the Oilers beat the Devils
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What inexperienced defencemen like the Oilers’ Joel Persson must do to gain their coach’s confidence
  • Lowetide: Oilers are closer to having an effective second line than a year ago, but few have noticed
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The beauty of a good night’s sleep can be elusive for many NHL players

OILERS AFTER 24 GAMES

  • Oilers in 20158-14-2, 18 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2016: 12-10-2, 26 points; goal differential +7
  • Oilers in 2017: 9-13-2, 20 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in 2018: 11-11-2, 24 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in 2019: 14-6-3, 31 points; goal differential +15

The 2016 team went on a heater that saw them close 35-16-7 to finish 47-26-9, 103 points. I don’t think that’s reasonable, but the club’s impressive start means banked points that could be key in April when the season winds down to a precious few games.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 3-6-1, seven points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in November 2016: 3-6-1, seven points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in November 2017: 4-5-1, nine points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2018: 4-6-0, eight points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2019: 5-2-2, 12 points, goal differential +10

Injuries, goalie wobble, weird trades, oh the November rain Oilers fans have seen. And this year? 21 days into a 30-day month and the formula is holding steady.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER?

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-2-2, 12 points in 9 games

This Oilers team outperformed my October projection and looks to be poised to do the same thing in November. Dave Tippett’s keys to the highway seem simple enough. Run 97-29 through the wee wee hours (“sun’s just a red ball rising over them refinery towers”), find some clean air for Nuge and then ramrod the bottom six ragged on the penalty kill. It’s a Tenth Avenue Freeze out with Nurse-Bear and Klefbom-Jones, and a surprisingly delightful (o, o, o, I’m on fire) third pair. Solid goalie duo form the tight rhythm section on the backstreets and you’re born to run.

I hope you can make it out to the event, it’ll be a cool way to watch the game and we’ll have some surprises plus the Q&A. That segment was terrific last time we got together, your input was welcome and several story ideas (like prospect updates on Sundays) grew out of the conversations. I promise you’ll have a good time.

OILERS 2019-20

Ethan Bear has had an impact on this team. NST tells us Bear and Nurse have played 352 minutes at five-on-five this season, winning the shot differential (52.3 percent). They are 19-24 in goals together but have taken on the elites (Puck IQ has both men over 150 minutes at five-on-five, the top totals) and are delivering 47 percent possession and 8-4 goal differential. Both men get credit, but Bear, as a rookie, has delivered in an area of weakness and right on time. Impressive.

CONDORS

The Bakersfield Condors play Stockton this morning at 11 our time. The Condors have yet to take flight and the prospect forwards are running in place but there’s plenty of blacktop.

You know, one of my favourite things is to watch prospects find their way. For instance, Ethan Bear’s emergence this season is, for me, a wonderful result and payment for all the Pouliot’s and Rita’s and Hajt’s and Wajt’s.

The trick is, and I mean this, to cheer like mad but understand these kids can get derailed by so very many things. Here. Pick a year. 1995? Okay. Here are the scoring numbers for Edmonton’s 1995-96 AHL team.

Ryan Smyth was the big star, he was a high pick and delivered in the AHL from opening night (he was 19 here). Dean McAmmond and Mats Lindgren were both first rounders who had careers, McAmmond played forever. Rem Murray had no draft pedigree, Jason Bonsignore was all draft pedigree. Only one of them would have an NHL career. Bottom line: No matter how good you are with AHL numbers or watching games, no matter how well you can break down the video, some will surprise and some will disappoint. So, if you say “Tyler Benson doesn’t look good now, he might be stalling” just stop. It doesn’t work like that. We were fading Ethan Bear last year, now look at him. We don’t know who is going to hit the gym this summer and we don’t know who is going to catch a rut in a game in March. This prospect thing is not an exact science.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A loaded show this morning, TSN1260 beginning at 10. The Mayor John Hoven will join us in hour one and Frank Seravalli will pop in during hour two, plus we are working on another guest surrounding the Babcock firing. Wild times. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. v4ance says:

    *NOTED Oiler fan* Steve Dangle Glynn, shows his true colors:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fifNNXczfDo

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors with a morning game. Great stuff as it means no conflict with the Oilers game.

    Starret is now day to day (as opposed to week to week) with his groin.

    Persson plays his first AHL game – will be paired with Lagesson.

  3. JJS says:

    I was at the Oilers/Bears game when Bonsignore got booed out of Clare Drake for lazy play all night, taking a penalty 200 ft from his net in the dying seconds, and then attempting to try and fight the Bear in question

    It was awful

    We called him ‘Bye Bye Bonsignore’ from that point forward

  4. Clarkenstein says:

    For the team to match the 2016 record they need to finish 33-20-7. You don’t think that is reasonable? I now feel that is well within their capablities.

  5. Oilin4 says:

    LT’s comments on prospects rings true and has me rethinking some of my posts from earlier this week about the lack of production from drafts 2016-2019.

    I think both our views can hold water though.

    LT: You can’t judge individual prospects too early, and certainly can’t pass judgment on a season after 15 games.

    Myself: A solid drafting organization would have at least one member of the previous four drafts producing at this time. Not having that is a primary reason for our lack of depth scoring.

    I hope LT’s optimism leads us to get some production from our bottom 8 Fs later this season or next. But it should be coming soon. If not, we have to look at this as weakness of the roster and organziation.

  6. Brantford Boy says:

    F5, F5, F5…
    Just refreshing the screen to get an update if Larsson is playing tonight…
    F5, F5, F5…

  7. Nit64 says:

    Wierd week. Oil bottom 6 score. Ben Simmons drains a 3.

  8. Clay says:

    That 95-96 Hamilton Bulldogs team – ho boy that brings back some memories.

    If anyone’s bored at work, take a minute to look up Dennis Bonvie’s PIMS on HockeyDB. Teaser – in 96-97, he averaged over 7 penalty minutes per game, and he played a full season…

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    As far as depth scoring goes, there is one team that has more than 6 players with 15 plus points – the Caps with 7.

    The Oilers and Panthers each have 6.

    None of the other 28 teams have more than 5.

  10. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Clarkenstein:
    For the team to match the 2016 record they need to finish 33-20-7. You don’t think that is reasonable?I now feel that is well within their capablities.

    – Yeah: the chains have moved, as we look into the rearview:

    Pre-season: this is not a playoff team, look at past performance and project it forward

    After 10 games: they are on a heater regression is inevitable just look at the math silly,

    After 20% of season: ok: they might be good enough for playoffs, math is getting better

    After 23 games: they won’t be as good as that 2016 team, look at the math silly.

    – They are on a current pace of 111 points.

    – I wonder what the consensus is now on how many points they will end up with?

  11. Pouzar says:

    Nurse/Bear are covering the xGF% bet so not too worried. PDHo is a fickle beast.

  12. Oilin4 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As far as depth scoring goes, there is one team that has more than 6 players with 15 plus points – the Caps with 7.

    The Oilers and Panthers each have 6.

    None of the other 28 teams have more than 5.

    I think that’s a bit of convenient framing with numbers. On most (all?) those teams, the gap between the player with 15 points and the rest of the roster isn’t what we see in Edmonton. Other rosters have players with 11 points, 12, 10. They don’t go from 15 to 5.

  13. OilersFuture says:

    1. Bakersfield Forward Prospects outside of Benson there doesn’t appear to be an offensive forward that the Oiler’s could call up this season. Yamamoto is struggling, big time to the point where he might be starting to play his way out of his second contract. He started off the year with 4 Goals 5 points and averaged 4 shots per game. Next 11 games 0 goals4 assists, averaging 1 shot per game and is minus 8 over those 11 games. If he doesn’t turn it around fast I think he’s a candidate for a trade to another organization next off-season.
    2. Their NHL Defense Depth is solid. I wonder if they keep Jones up and run 7 defense for the rest of the year. NBA has used rest days for players, I think that the Oilers could rest Larsson and Russel once a week. Which would give Jones 2 games a week til the end of the year and roughly 40 games in the NHL versus 60 games in the AHL. That doesn’t even include eventual games where a player gets hurt.
    3. 5th Rounders the Oilers haven’t used a 5th rounder in the past two drafts so right now in the system it’s Dylan Wells, Graham McPhee and Kirill Makisimov. Not sure any of those are trending in the right direction although I believe Makismov will eventually turn it around, but it he doesn’t it might be awhile before we see another 5th rounder make an impact for the Oilers.

  14. frjohnk says:

    Daniel Nugent Hopkins interview with Woodcroft is a good read. Woodcroft is well spoken and it seems like he is a big brother mentoring the kids in a positive manner.

  15. Pouzar says:

    Nurse/Bear rank out of 100 pairs (min 100 mins together):

    21st in xGF%Rel (5.67)
    14th CF% Rel (5.55)

    99th in On Ice Save%

  16. dustrock says:

    Nit64:
    Wierd week. Oil bottom 6 score. Ben Simmons drains a 3.

    Knicks blow 4th quarter lead oh wait that’s every game

  17. doritogrande says:

    Not that I’m looking to throw a wet blanket over Jones, but why are we okay with him playing his off-side but get pitchforks out when Russell plays R?

    Are there numbers that back Jones up?

    Thanks,

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As far as depth scoring goes, there is one team that has more than 6 players with 15 plus points – the Caps with 7.

    The Oilers and Panthers each have 6.

    None of the other 28 teams have more than 5.

    Nashville has 8 players with 12 points or more with 3 games in hand.

  19. Coffeys_Messy_eh says:

    v4ance:
    *NOTED Oiler fan* Steve Dangle Glynn, shows his true colors:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fifNNXczfDo

    Am I the only one who doesn’t enjoy this guy’s videos? Don’t find him/them funny at all, but I’m clearly in the minority given his ascencion in hockey media. Maybe it’s all the jump cuts.

  20. v4ance says:

    Prashanth Iyer @iyer_prashanth
    ·
    If you’re relatively confident that a player is going to turn out as a “star”, you may elect to burn their ELC years quicker so they don’t put up bigger numbers as the contract gets slid, thereby commanding a larger contract when it comes time to negotiate

    For Wings’ fans – think about what they did with Larkin. They burned his ELC immediately instead of sliding him 1 year and were able to land him at $6.1 million x 5 years which kicked in last year. Had they slid his deal, they would have been paying him after his 73 pt season

    Sunil @_suniljoshi
    Replying to
    @iyer_prashanth

    I imagine it’s also helpful to limit the number of post-peak years on the backend of that long-term contract. You’d rather buy 21-28 than 23-30 on an 8-year deal.

    ***

    This is kind of where I am with Bear and why I suggested going to 8 years on his next contract back in early October.

  21. Professor Q says:

    Coffeys_Messy_eh: Am I the only one who doesn’t enjoy this guy’s videos?Don’t find him/them funny at all, but I’m clearly in the minority given his ascencion in hockey media.Maybe it’s all the jump cuts.

    No, I agree with you entirely. Nor do i like his opinions.

    But seeing him wear an Oilers kit is simply hilarious (even if the praise is of an almost half-mocking disbelief).

  22. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair: Nashville has 8 players with 12 points or more with 3 games in hand.

    nashville is incredibly deep.

    Granlund, Turris and Smith are not part of those 8 players and all have hit at least 50 points a couple of times.

    If goaltending gets better and it should ( both under .900 save%) this is the team to watch.

  23. Professor Q says:

    Pouzar:
    Nurse/Bear are covering the xGF% bet so not too worried. PDHo is a fickle beast.

    I read this as pho at first, and was very intrigued.

    I’ve actually never had pho or ramen (anime style) before. Not even wonton soup!

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    We all awoke this morning in the land of hope and dreams, believing that my hometown team is tougher than the rest. Is it just a brilliant disguise or have we actually taken one step up. With each passing game we wonder; can they prove it all night?

    We’ve been waitin on a sunny day for a long time…. and now it just feels like a long walk home. I believe in this team. I believe that McDavid and Draisaitl were born to run. What I don’t know is, come late spring early summer, will I be singing Hello Sunshine or There Goes My Miracle.

    #11

    Now here comes the poetic part (lets bring this thing home baby)

    Cheering for this years team feels like Im riding in a stolen car and that theres a highway patrolman waiting just around the corner. If he turns on that siren and I get blinded by the light, it will be my fault for racing in the streets we call fandom.

    So Im going turn off onto the backstreets. But as a result, if I should fall behind, Ill count on you guys and the human touch to lift my spirit in the night; that I might drive all night to reach that jungle land that we call…. the playoffs

    #10more

    #ScreenDoorSlams

  25. Side says:

    Professor Q: I read this as pho at first, and was very intrigued.

    I’ve actually never had pho or ramen (anime style) before. Not even wonton soup!

    You disgust me.

  26. Harpers Hair says:

    frjohnk: nashville is incredibly deep.

    Granlund, Turris and Smith are not part of those 8 players and all have hit at least 50 points a couple of times.

    If goaltending gets better and it should ( both under .900 save%) this is the team to watch.

    Yeah, I think so too.
    Odd situation where their two leading scorers are both defensemen.
    I expect that will change soon.

  27. Professor Q says:

    Side: You disgust me.

    Is this what they mean by being given the Side-Eye?

  28. Side says:

    Professor Q: Is this what they mean by being given the Side-Eye?

    You disgust me less now.

  29. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As far as depth scoring goes, there is one team that has more than 6 players with 15 plus points – the Caps with 7.

    The Oilers and Panthers each have 6.

    None of the other 28 teams have more than 5.

    Yeah! Yeah! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

  30. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    An interesting story on the Kings is 21 year old Blake Lizotte.

    The 5’7″ 172lbs C was signed last spring as a free agent out of St. Cloud State in the NCAA.

    He’s now centering Kempe and Wagner on LAK’s 3rd line but had spent a lot of time with Carter and Toffolli too.

    Quite the 12 months for that young man.

    Now Flat Top has 23 year old Mike Amadio centering Carter and Toffoli.

    Their lines were this last game:

    Brown-Kopitar-Iaffolo
    Carter-Amadio-Toffoll
    Kempe-Lizotte-Wagner
    Clifford-Prohorkin-Luff

    Doughty-Walker
    Martinez-Hutton
    MacDermid-Roy

    Campbell
    Quick

    McFlatTop has turned around their corsis this year, but they are having trouble keeping the puck out of the net.

    Looking at that Dcorps and Goalers, I find it easy to believe.

    As a team 5v5 they are:
    CF% 52.1
    xGF% 51.6
    GF% 43.5
    SH% 6.8
    SV% .898
    PDO 965

    SH% is a bit low, but LAK usually runs below league average.

    SV% is shit. Quick is .895 5v5 and Campbell is .903

    Special Teams wise they are:

    5v4 GF/60 3.54 – 29th in NHL (EDM is 1st with 11.8)
    4v5 GA/60 10.53 -31st in NHL (EDM is 2nd with 3.86)

    So on the surface it looks like EDM should feast on special teams tonight so that means EDM loses 2-1 with LAK getting a PP goals and EDM going 0-5 on the PP.

    A subpar Dcorps and meh goalering cannot overcome ok fancies.

    EDM fans are well aware of this conundrum.

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  32. ArmchairGM says:

    Fuhr and Lowething.: Crazy.

    It would be interesting to see where the Kucherov line slotted in last season as a comparable.

    2018-19 season + the 2019-20 season so far for Kucherov – Point – Johnson:

    3.76 – 2.58 = +1.18 (59.38%) in 605:37

    This year Kucherov – Point – Johnson:

    3.48 – 2.32 = +1.16 (60.00%) in 51:45

    This year Kucherov – Point – Stamkos:

    4.82 – 2.89 = +1.93 (62.50%) in 62:15

    Whatever else is going on in TB, this line isn’t the problem.

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    frjohnk: nashville is incredibly deep.

    Robert Altman is widely acknowledged to be a generational talent. 🙂

  34. Durag says:

    Clay:
    That 95-96 Hamilton Bulldogs team – ho boy that brings back some memories.

    If anyone’s bored at work, take a minute to look up Dennis Bonvie’s PIMS on HockeyDB.Teaser – in 96-97, he averaged over 7 penalty minutes per game, and he played a full season…

    Bonvie was the king of the fight off the opening faceoff. I’m not sure what that was supposed to accomplish, but the coach kept starting him so I guess it was something.

    That team hits me hard right in the nostalgia. McAmmond, Lindgren, Gager AND Freddy Brathwaite, DeVries, Brett “Howitzer” Hauer, Turd Ferguson. Rem is not the only gem in that lineup!

    edit: Also, if I raid my mom’s basement, I’m pretty sure I can find World Junior hockey cards for Jason Bonsignore, Ralph Intranuovo, Boyd Devereaux and Nick Stajduhar. Truly a Who’s Who

  35. BONE207 says:

    Pouzar:
    Nurse/Bear are covering the xGF% bet so not too worried. PDHo is a fickle beast.

    But a Ho, none the less.

  36. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    hunter1909,

    – I thought I remember someone reaching out here that would help?

  37. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Yeah, I think so too.
    Odd situation where their two leading scorers are both defensemen.
    I expect that will change soon.

    Nashville is 9-8-3 having lost 7 of 8 they’ve also played 4 more games at home. If they don’t turn things around soon another Coach will be at the bread line. One positive For Nashville is they face your beloved Canucks tonight.

  38. Andy Dufresne says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks Again, As always.

    If LT is the play by play announcer on this blog

    You are the Colorman

    OP is the public address announcer

  39. v4ance says:

    Had a funny thought… I imagine Neal has recovered some of his trade value now. Not recommending we do it but if we traded him, I think we could easily get a 2nd round pick after he satisfies the conditions to give up the 3rd rounder to Calgary (21 goals).

    So not only did we divest ourselves of the Lucic cap catastrophe, we could actually make a profit off of it!

  40. Brantford Boy says:

    BONE207,

    a Pretty Decent one at that…

  41. DaveWatchesHockey says:

    Just read the Woodcroft q and a. What a great read. Loved the coaches responses!

    Dave

  42. Todd Macallan says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Thanks Again, As always.

    IfLT is the play by play announcer on this blog

    You are the Colorman

    OP is the public address announcer

    And who might be the Ryan Jespersen of the group, ie. leading the in game experience?

  43. Andy Dufresne says:

    v4ance:
    Had a funny thought… I imagine Neal has recovered some of his trade value now.Not recommending we do it but if we traded him, I think we could easily get a 2nd round pick after he satisfies the conditions to give up the 3rd rounder to Calgary (21 goals).

    So not only did we divest ourselves of the Lucic cap catastrophe, we could actually make a profit off of it!

    Cap Space is a valuable commodity, especially for the Oilers.

    We already have our built in competetive advantage in McDavid Draisaitl.

    We can all speculate on which player/player types we need to add.

    But one thing we know…now…today…in the present….is that the asset we need for sure is cap space.

    I would trade Neal at any point in time that such a deal removed that contract from our books.

    Is Neal a valuable asset to this team this year. ABSOLUTLEY he is.

    Is the value of $5.75m for the next 3 1/2 years more valuable to us than James Neal? ABSOLUTLEY it is.

    Would I do it at the Trade Deadline if this team was on course to make the playoffs?

    Yes. Yes I would.

  44. godot10 says:

    v4ance:
    Had a funny thought… I imagine Neal has recovered some of his trade value now.Not recommending we do it but if we traded him, I think we could easily get a 2nd round pick after he satisfies the conditions to give up the 3rd rounder to Calgary (21 goals).

    So not only did we divest ourselves of the Lucic cap catastrophe, we could actually make a profit off of it!

    Neal is still lousy at even strength, and is being zoomed by McDavid and Draisaitl on the power play.

    All he has shown this year is that he still has his hands, but is too slow to play at even strength. Calgary had too many other guys to play on the power play.

    So really nothing has changed. Neal is done unless except as a power play specialist. And only a team with such poor offensive talent in their depth forwards can reasonably use a guy like Neal.

  45. Reja says:

    This is a statement game we need to come out hard and fast and snuff out the little sisters in our division. There has to be a few Oilers that want a bit of payback on Todd, if Mama Kass scores 2 goals I’m saying it’s him.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Condors with a morning game.Great stuff as it means no conflict with the Oilers game.

    Starret is now day to day (as opposed to week to week) with his groin.

    Persson plays his first AHL game – will be paired with Lagesson.

    What are the pairings? Would this one be 2nd pair or 1st?

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    Oilin4:
    LT’s comments on prospects rings true and has me rethinking some of my posts from earlier this week about the lack of production from drafts 2016-2019.

    I think both our views can hold water though.

    LT: You can’t judge individual prospects too early, and certainly can’t pass judgment on a season after 15 games.

    Myself: A solid drafting organization would have at least one member of the previous four drafts producing at this time. Not having that is a primary reason for our lack of depth scoring.

    I hope LT’s optimism leads us to get some production from our bottom 8 Fs later this season or next. But it should be coming soon. If not, we have to look at this as weakness of the roster and organziation.

    But what you’re really saying is the Oilers should have at least one person producing from the 2016 and 2017 draft. Virtually no one from the 2018 and 2019 draft is playing in the NHL. And outside the first round of the 2017 draft, there is one player in the entire draft with 12 NHL career points. In fact, there’s only eight players in the first round of the 2017 draft who have 20 career pts or more. So what you’re really saying is the 2016 draft was a bust. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but it takes time for draft picks. We have four players from the 2015 draft now in the NHL, and for three of them, it’s their first year in the league.

  48. Durag says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    Just read the Woodcroft q and a.What a great read.Loved the coaches responses!

    Dave

    I think come summer 2021 someone is going to want Woodcroft as an NHL head coach and we will have to decide if it’s us.

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    Todd Macallan: And who might be the Ryan Jespersen of the group, ie. leading the in game experience?

    lol….there are a few candidates…..

    who is the Gene Principe?

    Who is the Drew Remenda (the guy you hope wont be on the broadcast tonight / any given night) 🙂

  50. Side says:

    Durag: I think come summer 2021 someone is going to want Woodcroft as an NHL head coach and we will have to decide if it’s us.

    Woodcroft does have the requisite airplane experience, that’s for sure.

    It was a struggle for him to get bus ride experience down in the AHL, but fortunately he was able to overcome that hurdle.

  51. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja:
    This is a statement game we need to come out hard and fast and snuff out the little sisters in our division. There has to be a few Oilers that want a bit of payback on Todd, if Mama Kass scores 2 goals I’m saying it’s him.

    I think the statement game was two nights ago in San Jose.

    The statement was made and it circulated at the speed of light. The Eastern Media is now all abuzz with the idea that the Oilers are looking like a playoff team.

    Under Tippett, you may not win them all, but you’ll be in them all.

    #TippettSystems

  52. Andy Dufresne says:

    DaveWatchesHockey:
    Just read the Woodcroft q and a.What a great read.Loved the coaches responses!

    Dave

    I did not like Jay Woodcroft behind the bench in Edmonton. (Nor did the players imo)

    I love Jay Woodcroft behind the bench in Bakersfield.

    There is a valuable lesson for the management types in here (myself being one)

    FIT.

    Put any personal biases aside when making personel decisions. An employee who is under-performing in one role might excel in another.

    I’ve seen it it many many times.

    Of course the collary to this is that an NHL player who is not a fit in one role, or on one team, can or may be a fit in a different role or on a different team

    Side Note: Not that its relevant to the business of hockey, but it appears to me that Jay Woodcroft is a close talker. Invades your personal space by getting “in your face”. Personal pet peeve of mine…and many. Doesnt mean he’s not a good Coach.

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    What percentage of coaches make it past their 4th season with a team? I swear there’s gotta be so many Babcock storylines, coaching changes are cyclical. He’s a fine coach.

  54. Andy Dufresne says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    What percentage of coaches make it past their 4th season with a team? I swear there’s gotta be so many Babcock storylines, coaching changes are cyclical. He’s a fine coach.

    Coaches only cost you money and they can be fired.

    Players cost you cap space. They can be waived or boughtout, but they still cost you capspace.

    Im surprised that the Leafs skipped a step that would normally occur prior to a Coach being fired.

    Normally one or several players would be forced to watch the games from the press box. Or, a popular player would get traded to send a message to the rest of the team.

    #ByGoneDays

  55. Andy Dufresne says:

    Adios Amigos.

    See ya’ll in La La Land 🙂

  56. dustrock says:

    The Ramones version of Trump’s “I Want Nothing” monologue is stuck in my head.

    I WANT NOTHING
    I WANT NOTHING
    I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO

  57. defmn says:

    Professor Q: I read this as pho at first, and was very intrigued.

    I’ve actually never had pho or ramen (anime style) before. Not even wonton soup!

    You are wasting your life. 😉

  58. dustrock says:

    Also had to mention RIP John Mann of Spirit of the West.

    Early Alzheimer’s at age 50 and passed away at age 57, much, much too soon.

    i know they had faded in relevance long before, but there was a lot of their music played in my youth, and as I said on twitter, Home for a Rest is an all-time banger, a transcendent moment of pure joy.

    Just as with Gord Downie, they toured for a while even after John was suffering from Alzheimer’s with the lyrics on an iPad. Truly inspirational.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tepxOAEBIE

    A link to “Venice is Sinking”, my all-time favorite song of theirs.

  59. Darth Tu says:

    Professor Q: I read this as pho at first, and was very intrigued.

    I’ve actually never had pho or ramen (anime style) before. Not even wonton soup!

    Once you’ve had it, you’ll be wonton some more.

  60. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Darth Tu: Once you’ve had it, you’ll be wonton some more.

    (R)Amen to that.

  61. Oilin4 says:

    JimmyV1965: But what you’re really saying is the Oilers should have at least one person producing from the 2016 and 2017 draft.Virtually no one from the 2018 and 2019 draft is playing in the NHL. And outside the first round of the 2017 draft, there is one player in the entire draft with 12 NHL career points.In fact, there’s only eight players in the first round of the 2017 draft who have 20 career pts or more. So what you’re really saying is the 2016 draft was a bust. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but it takes time for draft picks. We have four players from the 2015 draft now in the NHL, and for three of them, it’s their first year in the league.

    Fair enough on the 2018 and 2019 draft. For 2016 and 2017 we should be getting something or be really close. A forward nears their peak around age 21 and hits it at 22. Any 2016 pick should be banging very loudly on the door, if not kicking it in, right now, regardless of the organization’s policy of over-ripening.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/

    Plus no forwards from 2018 are trending all that well right now.

    My larger point I’m not saying very well is that other than hitting on 3 of 5 very high picks (and missing on the other 2), for a very large number of drafts we have absolutely nothing to show for it at F. This is one of many primary causes of why we stink in our bottom 8 Fs (and we do stink in our bottom 8 Fs regardless of tricky math and one player riding shotgun on one of the best PPs in the NHL for years).

  62. v4ance says:

    A line on twitter struck me as particularly relevant to the Oilers this year. I can’t remember who posted it but to paraphrase what they said, “if you’re rebuilding and not a real contender, you try for singles and doubles. If you’re a cup contender, you try for the home run”

    I look at the possibility of re-acquiring Hall and say that’s a home run swing. I think Ehlers would be a solid double or maybe even a triple.

    I also think of the Kawhi Leonard deal that the Raptors pulled off knowing the injury history and the real chance of losing him for nothing in free agency and still going for it.

    I know and understand peoples’ real misgivings about Hall’s effectiveness at 32 or older if he signs an extension or a UFA deal but if we’re serious about being cup contenders for the next 3-4 years, why shouldn’t we consider it? Kessel was kind of a similar situation for the Pens and it worked for them. Why not Hall?

  63. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne: Is Neal a valuable asset to this team this year. ABSOLUTLEY he is.

    Is the value of $5.75m for the next 3 1/2 years more valuable to us than James Neal? ABSOLUTLEY it is.

    There’s no point in trading him right now though. Not many teams have the cap space and there’s nothing we can do with the cap space in-season. It’s a June trade, IMO.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/284877

  64. Munny says:

    Kris Russell switches to his strong side and his blocked shot totals go down.

    You don’t say…

  65. Pouzar says:

    Neal isn’t a driver. He’s playing with 2 other non-drivers.
    He has great hands and scoring on the PP.
    He is who we thought he was. /Dennis Green

  66. Munny says:

    v4ance,

    Ehlers would take an even bigger swing for the fences (than Hall), IMO.

  67. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10: Neal is still lousy at even strength, and is being zoomed by McDavid and Draisaitl on the power play.

    All he has shown this year is that he still has his hands, but is too slow to play at even strength.Calgary had too many other guys to play on the power play.

    So really nothing has changed. Neal is done unless except as a power play specialist.And only a teamwith such poor offensive talent in their depth forwards can reasonably use a guy like Neal.

    I’d like to see Chiasson – Nuge – Neal together again. I understand concerns about speed, but their results have been stellar:

    91:31 TOI
    59.17 CF%
    57.98 FF%
    57.32 SF%
    57.14 GF%
    62.00 xGF%
    76.67 HDSC%
    8.51 Sh%
    91.43 Sv%
    0.999 PDO

    2.62 GF/60
    1.97 GA/60
    +0.65 GD/60

  68. dustrock says:

    v4ance:
    A line on twitter struck me as particularly relevant to the Oilers this year.I can’t remember who posted it but to paraphrase what they said, “if you’re rebuilding and not a real contender, you try for singles and doubles.If you’re a cup contender, you try for the home run”

    I look at the possibility of re-acquiring Hall and say that’s a home run swing.I think Ehlers would be a solid double or maybe even a triple.

    I also think of the Kawhi Leonard deal that the Raptors pulled off knowing the injury history and the real chance of losing him for nothing in free agency and still going for it.

    I know and understand peoples’ real misgivings about Hall’s effectiveness at 32 or older if he signs an extension or a UFA deal but if we’re serious about being cup contenders for the next 3-4 years, why shouldn’t we consider it?Kessel was kind of a similar situation for the Pens and it worked for them.Why not Hall?

    (1) Acquisition cost
    (2) Extension cost
    (3) Is he a home run?

  69. Pouzar says:

    Munny:
    Kris Russell switches to his strong side and his blocked shot totals go down.

    You don’t say…

    His defensive pairing numbers with Benning vs Klef are contrasting to say the least.

  70. VanIsleOil says:

    Darth Tu: Once you’ve had it, you’ll be wonton some more.

    That’s pho sure…

  71. Darth Tu says:

    Oilin4: Fair enough on the 2018 and 2019 draft. For 2016 and 2017 we should be getting something or be really close. A forward nears their peak around age 21 and hits it at 22. Any 2016 pick should be banging very loudly on the door, if not kicking it in, right now, regardless of the organization’s policy of over-ripening.

    https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/23/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-1/

    Plus no forwards from 2018 are trending all that well right now.

    My larger point I’m not saying very well is that other than hitting on 3 of 5 very high picks (and missing on the other 2), for a very large number of drafts we have absolutely nothing to show for it at F. This is one of many primary causes of why we stink in our bottom 8 Fs (and we do stink in our bottom 8 Fs regardless of tricky math and one player riding shotgun on one of the best PPs in the NHL for years).

    For the record – the Oilers selected Ryan McLeod at number 40 (2nd round) and then Patrik Siikanen at 195th overall (7th round).

    I can’t go through the entire second round, but at a quick glance. Drury is doing reasonably well at Harvard (#42) but not going to be NHL anytime soon. Ruslan Iskhakov – scoring about 0.5 ppg at University of Conneticut (#43) – again probably not making NHL anytime soon. Albin Eriksson’s numbers don’t look great in the SHL or at U20 internationally (#44), so not tracking well for NHL.

    Kody Clark at #47 seems to be tracking the best out of the prospects taken, but has started the season injured in the AHL (he’s a Capitals prospect).

    Jonny Tychonick taken at #48 had 0 goals and 4 assists through 28 games last year with Uni of N. Dakota, he’s on 5 points through 8 games this year.

    Anyway, point is that it looks (at least at my quick first glance) like in terms of forwards in the 2018 draft McLeod is developing a little better than the forwards taken after him – so that’s still a decent selection based on the quality available to us. I don’t see this as a bad selection. The other picks that year – Evan Bouchard in the first round, Rodrigue at the end of the 2nd round are showing fairly positive arrows. The bigger problem is the lack of picks between the 2nd and the 6th round. The only way around this to go with the narrative of having a forward that could impact the roster sooner would have been to not select Bouchard and take someone like Wahlstrom. I think organisational need for a right shot D man was more important than taking a winger.

  72. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    v4ance,

    – Couple of things IMO:

    – Kessel came with retained salary, and never gets injuries, and he was a “bonus”, meaning he tor up playing on the third line. Hall is going to cost a lot more, and asked to do more. Kessel was a salary dump, while Hall is going to cost a lot (assuming he gets traded in season)

    – It’s only hindsight: but without Khawhi, the Ratpors would not have won the Cup. I don’t believe Hall is a necessary condition to win the cup, but it’s an all in move

    – I think we can win the Cup without Hall. If we get Hall and he scores 2 goals in 23 games, or gets injured, I think for sure we are not winning Cup, because we give up a lot on roster IMO

    – Sure make a trade for a young winger like Nylander who another team doesn’t value/can’t keep

    – 1 year of Khawhi cost the Raptors two amazing players. The rental on Hall is prohibitive, and I dont’ think it’s as easy to rebuild like the Raptors once Khawhi left.

    – If I could get Hall and win the Cup this year, but trade Bouch a first and whatever else it would cost: I don’t do that. But Raptors with Khawhi: one and done: sure…

    – Not sure if that makes sense. Signing 29 year old players with injury history (and poor results this year), for term could be a crippling mistake, doesn’t guarantee a Cup, and I’d rather not make the compromises required in order to fit any expensive UFA who is had peaked, when the team is still getting better

  73. Darth Tu says:

    VanIsleOil: That’s pho sure…

    I’m loving these soup puns. I’m glad it’s nearly lunch time.

  74. Leon McMesstzky says:

    Oilin4,

    The Oilers dont go to 5 , so I’m not sure about your comment. They also have an 11. And a 7 ?? I’m pretty sure Arizona has 1 and only 1 and they’re right on our heels. That’s 1 guy with 15 plus points. I may be wrong but I’d have to check. But I’m pretty sure I’m right so I wont bother

  75. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: But what you’re really saying is the Oilers should have at least one person producing from the 2016 and 2017 draft.Virtually no one from the 2018 and 2019 draft is playing in the NHL. And outside the first round of the 2017 draft, there is one player in the entire draft with 12 NHL career points.In fact, there’s only eight players in the first round of the 2017 draft who have 20 career pts or more. So what you’re really saying is the 2016 draft was a bust. I’m not trying to be a jerk, but it takes time for draft picks. We have four players from the 2015 draft now in the NHL, and for three of them, it’s their first year in the league.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2016e.html

    Good point. In 2016, there are only a couple of full-time NHLers that were drafted after the 2nd round in the entire league. To slag Edmonton for not having contributing players from the 5th and later is silly.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great start for the Condors – Logan Day scored less than 2 minutes in.

    Good posession shift for the Maksimov line (and I saw a decent shot on net by Maksi earlier in the shift).

    No Marody today. No Yamamoto today who is a bit banged up as well.

  77. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Good posession shift for the Maksimov line (and I saw a decent shot on net by Maksi earlier in the shift).

    Speaking of… Maksimov scores less than 5 minutes in. 2-0 BAK

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Boom – Maksimov, back door – from Persson and McLeod and is 2-0 less than 5 minutes in.

    With Yamamoto and Marody out maybe some more offensive looks for the likes of Maksi and McLeod.

  79. Halfwise says:

    VanIsleOil: That’s pho sure…

    There are some souper puns here this morning. Practically bowled me over.

  80. ArmchairGM says:

    And a 4 minute double minor (high sticking) for Benson so they can test their PK skills…. 3 minutes killed, 2 shots.

  81. John Chambers says:

    Re: James Neal

    The player is limited but still very useful.

    I wouldn’t move him until it’s proven that Yamamoto is a better option in the top-6.

    If he hits 30 goals this year though you’d have to think that his $5.25M is entirely moveable. The question becomes can the Oilers squeeze another productive year out of him in 20-21.

  82. dustrock says:

    I think the superstar effect is more pronounced in the NBA than in the NHL.

    Lebron won with a pretty dodgy Cavs team, in a way that I don’t think McDavid could ever do. At the most, McDavid is playing half the game, and then he’s probably exhausted.

  83. ArmchairGM says:

    ArmchairGM:
    And a 4 minute double minor (high sticking) for Benson so they can test their PK skills…. 3 minutes killed, 2 shots.

    Killed! 2 shots allowed.

  84. GMB3 says:

    Coffeys_Messy_eh: Am I the only one who doesn’t enjoy this guy’s videos?Don’t find him/them funny at all, but I’m clearly in the minority given his ascencion in hockey media.Maybe it’s all the jump cuts.

    He’s terrible. I’m with you

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tyler Benson with a 4 min high sticking penalty but the Condors summon their inner-Oilers PK and kill it off.

  86. ArmchairGM says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: James Neal

    The player is limited but still very useful.

    I wouldn’t move him until it’s proven that Yamamoto is a better option in the top-6.

    If he hits 30 goals this year though you’d have to think that his $5.25M is entirely moveable. The question becomes can the Oilers squeeze another productive year out of him in 20-21.

    If moving him allows the team to add Kreider + Pageau next summer while also keeping Kassian, I’d have to think that would be preferable to squeezing another year out of him.

    Edit to add: Looking forward to seeing LT’s balance photo next October!

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie jumps in after a Heat player lays a big hit on a teammate – fight was short lived but Currie gets the instigator.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Fluky PP goal for the Heat to cut the lead to 2-1 – puck off the back-boards, bounces of Day right to Lomberg.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Missed the goal doing actual work but Heat tie it up – back door tip goal I think.

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    v4ance:
    Prashanth Iyer @iyer_prashanth
    ·
    If you’re relatively confident that a player is going to turn out as a “star”, you may elect to burn their ELC years quicker so they don’t put up bigger numbers as the contract gets slid, thereby commanding a larger contract when it comes time to negotiate


    For Wings’ fans – think about what they did with Larkin. They burned his ELC immediately instead of sliding him 1 year and were able to land him at $6.1 million x 5 years which kicked in last year. Had they slid his deal, they would have been paying him after his 73 pt season

    Sunil @_suniljoshi
    Replying to
    @iyer_prashanth

    I imagine it’s also helpful to limit the number of post-peak years on the backend of that long-term contract. You’d rather buy 21-28 than 23-30 on an 8-year deal.

    ***

    This is kind of where I am with Bear and why I suggested going to 8 years on his next contract back in early October.

    I’d rather not resign players at 28, peak pay. It’s also hard to decide to trade them . I’d rather be able to trade them at 29-30 when peak is over for most but rep is still high. A team shouldn’t keep very many players if they want to stay a contender. Cash them for youth.

    Connor and Leon would be exceptions. Doesn’t seem that is the direction teams take however, maybe agents and top players won’t do it.

  91. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Halfwise: There are some souper puns here this morning. Practically bowled me over.

    I see you’re using your noodle.

  92. Oilin4 says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: James Neal

    The player is limited but still very useful.

    I wouldn’t move him until it’s proven that Yamamoto is a better option in the top-6.

    If he hits 30 goals this year though you’d have to think that his $5.25M is entirely moveable. The question becomes can the Oilers squeeze another productive year out of him in 20-21.

    Agreed. Rephrasing the question: Is the likelihood he’ll give us another productive year in 20-21 worth the risk of turning down an offer to dump the contract for 20-21, 21-22 and 22-23 (if the offer comes)? I don’t think so.

  93. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    John Chambers:
    Re: James Neal

    The player is limited but still very useful.

    – Yeah: we knew he was going to bleed possession (as he has increasingly so for a few years on different teams, in different roles, so that was for sure a given)

    – We didn’t know if he could rebound and score goals though

    – We can be certain that is possession (as far as that’s an individual marker), will continue to lower, its just a question of how long he can score goals to counter this.

    – Once that gap widens greatly with Edmonton: he’s done (but any production from him has been a bonus anyways)

    – Wonder what they do with Lucic this off-season?

    – If he retires, are there any future ramifications to the Oilers Cap?

  94. ArmchairGM says:

    BAK v STK, after 1:

    2-2 score
    12-12 shots

    About 1 minute of 4v4 to start the 2nd.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilin52: I think that’s a bit of convenient framing with numbers. On most (all?) those teams, the gap between the player with 15 points and the rest of the roster isn’t what we see in Edmonton. Other rosters have players with 11 points, 12, 10. They don’t go from 15 to 5.

    Sure, I can’t disagree with that but, at the same time, its not quite true to state that the team is in shambles behind McDavid and Drai and that they aren’t getting any help.

    Of course, as we’ve seen the last few weeks, the “depth scoring” has picked up to average and sustainable rates – they started pretty far behind so their numbers are very low but its coming a bit now.

  96. Gerta Rauss says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Wonder what they do with Lucic this off-season?

    – If he retires, are there any future ramifications to the Oilers Cap?

    No, his contract was signed under the current CBA, cap recapture does not apply

  97. Pouzar says:

    Russell-Larsson turd pair

  98. YourboyAllan says:

    As per Jack Michaels:
    Oiler lineup at LA:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Khaira-RNH-Neal
    Nygard-Sheahan-Archibald
    Granlund-Haas-Chiasson

    Nurse-Bear
    Klefbom-Jones
    Russell-Larsson

    Matt Benning not skating.

    Mike Smith starts as Larsson returns to the lineup for the first time since Opening Night.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonJack/status/1197594644533657600

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilersFuture:
    1. Bakersfield Forward Prospects outside of Benson there doesn’t appear to be an offensive forward that the Oiler’s could call up this season.Yamamoto is struggling, big time to the point where he might be starting to play his way out of his second contract.He started off the year with 4 Goals 5 points and averaged 4 shots per game.Next 11 games 0 goals4 assists, averaging 1 shot per game and is minus 8 over those 11 games.If he doesn’t turn it around fast I think he’s a candidate for a trade to another organization next off-season.
    2. Their NHL Defense Depth is solid.I wonder if they keep Jones up and run 7 defense for the rest of the year.NBA has used rest days for players, I think that the Oilers could rest Larsson and Russel once a week.Which would give Jones 2 games a week til the end of the year and roughly 40 games in the NHL versus 60 games in the AHL.That doesn’t even include eventual games where a player gets hurt.
    3. 5th Rounders the Oilers haven’t used a 5th rounder in the past two drafts so right now in the system it’s Dylan Wells, Graham McPhee and Kirill Makisimov.Not sure any of those are trending in the right direction although I believe Makismov will eventually turn it around, but it he doesn’t it might be awhile before we see another 5th rounder make an impact for the Oilers.

    Looking at the boxcars, plus/minus and shots doesn’t provide the total picture on a player like Yamamoto. Firstly, while, yes, his offensive production has come down since the start of the year and they are looking for more offence from him, his development right now isn’t focused on offence primarily. Kailer has had a revolving door of linemates at 5 on 5 and often not the top end offensive players (he doesn’t play with Marody and Benson, he plays with Malone, etc.).

    Kailer is also being asked to focus on his 2-way game – he is the “all-situations” – he’s PK1 which is important. He’s drawn 15 penalties in 15 games.

    They’ve asked Kailer to continue to work on his core strength as well. This prospect is developing a middle 6 skill-set and getting stronger. He needs some time.

    Maksimiov is, as you say, a 5th round pick so, yes, lets calm our tits on expectations. K. Gretzky talked earlier in the week about him getting used to the pro game and how they are asking him to work on his core strength and his leg strength. He’s “growing in to an adult”.

    They are looking forward to him on the team next year and think next year will be a big plus year.

    A 5th round pick as a rookie pro – what is being expected here?

  100. ArmchairGM says:

    Pouzar:
    Russell-Larsson turd pair

    Over/under of it lasting more than 1 period?

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    No big surprise – essentially the same lineup as last game with Larsson in for Benning and Smith starting.

    Larsson listed as playing on the 3rd pairing with Russell and Jones stays with Klef – at least to start.

    Benning didn’t skate:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian

    Khaira-RNH-Nea

    Nygard-Sheahan-Archibald

    Granlund-Haas-Chiasson

    Nurse-Bear

    Klefbom-Jones

    Russell-Larsson

  102. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Pouzar,

    David Staples finally gets his wish.

  103. Pouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Over/under of it lasting more than 1 period?

    good question.

  104. Pouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Pouzar,

    David Staples finally gets his wish.

    And Matty doesn’t /Manning

  105. Durag says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Pouzar,

    David Staples finally gets his wish.

    A romantic dinner with Jason Kenney?

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov with a clean break – makes a move to the backhand, puck rolls on him and drifts in to the corner – damn.

  107. OilersFuture says:

    OriginalPouzar: Looking at the boxcars, plus/minus and shots doesn’t provide the total picture on a player like Yamamoto. Firstly, while, yes, his offensive production has come down since the start of the year and they are looking for more offence from him, his development right now isn’t focused on offence primarily. Kailer has had a revolving door of linemates at 5 on 5 and often not the top end offensive players (he doesn’t play with Marody and Benson, he plays with Malone, etc.).
    Kailer is also being asked to focus on his 2-way game – he is the “all-situations” – he’s PK1 which is important. He’s drawn 15 penalties in 15 games.
    They’ve asked Kailer to continue to work on his core strength as well. This prospect is developing a middle 6 skill-set and getting stronger. He needs some time.
    Maksimiov is, as you say, a 5th round pick so, yes, lets calm our tits on expectations. K. Gretzky talked earlier in the week about him getting used to the pro game and how they are asking him to work on his core strength and his leg strength. He’s “growing in to an adult”.
    They are looking forward to him on the team next year and think next year will be a big plus year.
    A 5th round pick as a rookie pro – what is being expected here?

    I understand that plus/minus isn’t the greatest of stat, but his production in the last 11 is bad (which also include goals and shots) and yes plus minus is part of that. Right now counting on him as a middle six might be a stretch. He should be starting to drive offense. If he plays with Malone doesn’t he lead the Condors in scoring? I hope he turns out but, its not trending the right way.

    With regards to the 5th rounders I was just outlining the ones in the system. I think Maksimov is a good prospect and as I said I’m hopeful he’ll turn it around. Right now, I’m not sure if he’s that far behind Yamamoto because he’s a 1st year pro with good size, historically he’s a scorer, plays a two-way game and he’s almost a full year behind him by DOB.

  108. OriginalPouzar says:

    Awwww, man, Samorukov with a beauty back-door pass to set up Cave who missed a wide open net (or it sure looked that way).

  109. dustrock says:

    Thanks OP

  110. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OilersFuture,

    – In hindsight, who were we all kidding that Kailer and Pool were going to make a difference when they first played, what 3 seasons ago each? We got sold bags of goods for sure…

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Nurse/Bear rank out of 100 pairs (min 100 mins together):

    21st in xGF%Rel(5.67)
    14th CF% Rel(5.55)

    99th in On Ice Save%

    I can understand those numbers and why their on ice save percentage is down a bit – there have been more than a couple plays where a battle was lost below the hashmarks/goal line, the other d-man didn’t identify properly in front of the net and a high danger quick strike chance (and goal) developed.

    Its a very young “top pairing” still – I’m extremely happy with hit but they’ve been a bit leakier over the last few weeks as there is more tape out there for the coaches/advanced stats.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    doritogrande:
    Not that I’m looking to throw a wet blanket over Jones, but why are we okay with him playing his off-side but get pitchforks out when Russell plays R?

    Are there numbers that back Jones up?

    Thanks,

    We are “OK with it”, at least I am, because of skill and effectiveness.

    A d-man being as effective on his off-side as his natural side is indeed uncommon but it does happen. I can’t say that Jones in “as effective” but Tippett specifically talked about his foot work and foot positioning that allows him to be effective on his off-side.

  113. ArmchairGM says:

    After 2:

    2-2 score (no goals in the 2nd)
    20-18 shots for STK (8-6 in the 2nd)

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: Nashville has 8 players with 12 points or more with 3 games in hand.

    and 4 players with 15.

    and zero players with 21.

    and zero players with 30.

    and zero players with 40.

    12 points seems more arbitrary than 15………

  115. Oilin4 says:

    I think it’s pretty obvious Jack Michaels reads the lowetide forum. Wonder what his handle is.

    Jack Michaels
    @EdmontonJack
    Benning in concussion protocol; Tippett says Larsson playing w/Russell at first to get him up and going…for all the talk about Edmonton’s lack of “balance,” only Caps have more players w/15+ pts and Oilers enter tonight’s game w/best power play in NHL & best road penalty kill.

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy:
    An interesting story on the Kings is 21 year old Blake Lizotte.

    The 5’7″ 172lbs C was signed last spring as a free agent out of St. Cloud State in the NCAA.

    He’s now centering Kempe and Wagner on LAK’s 3rd line but had spent a lot of time with Carter and Toffolli too.

    Kemp and the Kings terminated the contract and he’s signed in the KHL…..

  117. blondebellend says:

    Oilin4,

    I read that factoid on Twitter before Pouzar posted it.

  118. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    OriginalPouzar: Kemp and the Kings terminated the contract and he’s signed in the KHL…..

    Mario Kempe did that. His younger brother, Adrian Kempe, is still a King.

  119. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Who’s moving the puck on the Russell-Larsson pair?

  120. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Oilin4,

    – It’s not me, but I bring up these type of things to counter the “can’t sustain”

    – For fun, what if

    1) Drai 140 points (off his 155 point current pace)
    2) McD 140 points (off his 155 points current pace)
    3) Neal 30 goals (off his current 41 goal pace)
    4) Klef 50 points (off his 60 point pace)
    5) Kassian 45 points (off his 57 point pace)
    6) Nuge 50 points (off his 56 point pace)
    7) Nurse 30 points (of his 40 point pace)
    8) Jar: 14 goals (his current pace, and now playing with Nuge)
    9) Koski continues providing better than average 5×5 GAA
    10) Special teams remain elite
    11) Bear remains legit
    12) Someone else emerges

    – Are there teams who have more balance than this: scoring, D, multiple lines, G, special teams. Could be the year a lot of players all have good years, stay healthy, normalize

    – Or is it all going to crash and crush us?

  121. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Babcock will go to Seattle: you heard it here first….

  122. Caller Zen says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Babcock will go to Seattle: you heard it here first….

    Nope, I posted at 1am in last night’s thread the same thing ; )

  123. ArmchairGM says:

    10 minutes left, BAK finally gets a PP (they’ve been shorthanded at least 5 times) – chance to tie this game after STK got an early 3rd period goal.

    Edit: never mind: 46 seconds into the PP and the refs call Currie for hooking: make up call? Refs want the Heat to win this one it seems.

  124. Material Elvis says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Oilin4,

    – It’s not me, but I bring up these type of things to counter the “can’t sustain”

    – For fun, what if

    1) Drai 140 points (off his 155 point current pace)
    2) McD 140 points (off his 155 points current pace)
    3) Neal 30 goals (off his current 41 goal pace)
    4) Klef 50 points (off his 60 point pace)
    5) Kassian 45 points (off his 57 point pace)
    6) Nuge 50 points (off his 56 point pace)
    7) Nurse 30 points (of his 40 point pace)
    8) Jar: 14 goals (his current pace, and now playing with Nuge)
    9) Koski continues providing better than average 5×5 GAA
    10) Special teams remain elite
    11) Bear remains legit
    12) Someone else emerges

    – Are there teams who have more balance than this: scoring, D, multiple lines, G, special teams.Could be the year a lot of players all have good years, stay healthy, normalize

    – Or is it all going to crash and crush us?

    All possible except number 6 — that’s a bridge too far.

  125. frjohnk says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Who’s moving the puck on the Russell-Larsson pair?

    What I like about this pair is that Russell is quick and gets to lots of loose pucks while Larsson is among the best in the league in separating opposing players from the puck. Both are good defensively. Larsson will probably be the guy moving the puck more often than not.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. steals the puck and cuts in alone from the blueline but can’t finish to tie the game up in the third.

  127. ArmchairGM says:

    Goal! McLeod from Maksimov and Benson. Maksi is really making the most of this opportunity, he’s impacted the game noticeably. QoT…

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hey there – Maksimov comes down the left wing, finds McCleod and the game is tied.

    Maksi and McLeod each with 1G/1A.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson gets the second assist to go with his 6 penalty minutes.

  130. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hey there – Maksimov comes down the left wing, finds McCleod and the game is tied.

    Maksi and McLeod each with 1G/1A.

    Man, McLeod (one of the two forwards taken in the 2018 draft) seems to be really picking it up today 😉

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lucic scheduled to play 3rd line with Dube again.

    Vancouver calls up big Zack McKewan and he’s scheduled to play on the top line with Horvat and Miller.

    The “Kassian model”.

    Not sure it will be as successful as the original.

  132. frjohnk says:

    In the first month when Drai and McDavid were on the bench the team scored 7 goals and allowed 14 in 14 games.

    From Nov 1st till last game, the stat line for the depth players is 10 goals for 8 goals against in 9 games.

    Drai and McDavid will no doubt win the goal share. And they should help propel special teams into positive territory.

    But if the team is winning the goal share with Drai and McDavid off the ice, it will make for a fun rest of the season.

  133. ArmchairGM says:

    After 3:

    3-3 goals (1-1 in 3rd)
    29-26 shots BAK (11-6 in 3rd)

    Good period, good shot differential despite spending 2:46 shorthanded and just 0:46 on the PP.

  134. ArmchairGM says:

    Stockton wins in OT.

  135. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Lucic scheduled to play 3rd line with Dube again.

    Vancouver calls up big Zack McKewan and he’s scheduled to play on the top line with Horvat and Miller.

    The “Kassian model”.

    Not sure it will be as successful as the original.

    If only Khaira could bottle up his play in the last half- dozen games, the man is a beast when he’s engaged.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    AndyDufresne: I think the statement game was two nights ago in San Jose.

    The statement was made and it circulated at the speed of light. The Eastern Media is now all abuzz with the idea that the Oilers are looking like a playoff team.

    Under Tippett, you may not win them all, but you’ll be in them all.

    #TippettSystems

    I agree – this is more of a trap game than a statement game.

    Another game the Oilers of the past would lose – similar to the Wild and Wings game earlier in the year.

    Hopefully there is some of that “maturity” coach talks about.

  137. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Caller Zen: Nope, I posted at 1am in last night’s thread the same thing ; )

    – OK: props! Anyway, makes sense IMO. Get gets a year to get paid and stuff it to the Leafs

    – One of my hockey buddies tells me: “lets put it this way, no player in that dressing room will miss him day to day”

  138. Wilde says:

    That Russell-Larsson pairing is going to be the 2nd pairing, I’m almost certain of it.

  139. ArmchairGM says:

    Maksimov named 2nd star. 1 goal, 1 assist, game-high 4 shots and +3. Hopefully this has earned him a longer look in the top-6.

  140. frjohnk says:

    Wilde:
    That Russell-Larsson pairing is going to be the 2nd pairing, I’m almost certain of it.

    I can see these two get the most minutes on the PK and maybe some of the tougher assignments.
    These two will probably see more minutes than the Russell-Benning pairing and in this case Oscars minutes will go down.

    I do wonder if Jones has some wobbles tonight, if Larsson gets paired with Klefbom

  141. SwedishPoster says:

    Broberg with a sliver over 12 minutes of ice today, about a third of the game was special teams which cuts into his totals. He was 5th among D in TOI and was +1 but no points. Didn’t see the game but sounds like he did ok though nothing exceptional. Still leads the regular D group in CF%.

    The positive story right now is instead Berglund who’s playing top pairing currently, over 22 minutes today, second on the team, I think he lead the team in icectime the fame before. Picked up a helper on a SH goal, that shorthanded goal means he is currently breaking even on the PK despite leading his team in SHTOI/game with 2:30 per game. In nineteen games he’s been on for 2 SH goals and 2 PKGA. That’s pretty amazing.

    Their team won after a rough stretch of games where they lost six out of seven.

    Edit: scratch that his helper was on a PP goal(and EN goal). The SH stats still hold though.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Plus no forwards from 2018 are trending all that well right now.

    This statement, to me, shows a bit of an unrealistic expectation on prospects and their development.

    The Oilers picked two forwards in 2018:

    1) Ryan McLeod – his draft plus 1 season in the OHL was just “OK”, I’ll give you that but his rookie pro season, so far, has been just fine – he is an every day player for Condors, playing both center and wing and a BIG part of their PK. When drafted, we knew this player was a few years away and he’s trending right on track, in my opinion.

    2) Patrik Siikanen – I’m not quite sure what should be expected of a 7th round pick playing in Europe but he has played in the top 6 for Finland internationally since drafted. A project, oubviously.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Kris Russell switches to his strong side and his blocked shot totals go down.

    You don’t say…

    Oscar Klefbom plays half his games with an off-side Kris Russell and his blocked shot totals sky-rocket……

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benning officially in concussion protocol.

  145. Oilin4 says:

    OriginalPouzar: This statement, to me, shows a bit of an unrealistic expectation on prospects and their development.

    The Oilers picked two forwards in 2018:

    1) Ryan McLeod – his draft plus 1 season in the OHL was just “OK”, I’ll give you that but his rookie pro season, so far, has been just fine – he is an every day player for Condors, playing both center and wing and a BIG part of their PK.When drafted, we knew this player was a few years away and he’s trending right on track, in my opinion.

    2) Patrik Siikanen – I’m not quite sure what should be expected of a 7th round pick playing in Europe but he has played in the top 6 for Finland internationally since drafted.A project, oubviously.

    I think you and others are sub-quoting parts of my posts to cherry-pick small parts of what I’m saying. Doing so takes down anecdotes I provide, but does not invalidate my entire point. I will reiterate it: From 2013 – 2019 our draft has produced 2 forwards – the greatest player of our generation and (in hindsight) a gift fell to us at 3 OV. We have absolutely nothing to show from drafting up front other than those two from all of these drafts. I won’t comment on any individual players.

    I’m happy to continue this debate although I’m getting a bit tired of it. But, please, if you’re going to quote me, address my whole point rather than just one part of it.

  146. Oilin4 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    Oilin4,

    – It’s not me, but I bring up these type of things to counter the “can’t sustain”

    – For fun, what if

    1) Drai 140 points (off his 155 point current pace)
    2) McD 140 points (off his 155 points current pace)
    3) Neal 30 goals (off his current 41 goal pace)
    4) Klef 50 points (off his 60 point pace)
    5) Kassian 45 points (off his 57 point pace)
    6) Nuge 50 points (off his 56 point pace)
    7) Nurse 30 points (of his 40 point pace)
    8) Jar: 14 goals (his current pace, and now playing with Nuge)
    9) Koski continues providing better than average 5×5 GAA
    10) Special teams remain elite
    11) Bear remains legit
    12) Someone else emerges

    – Are there teams who have more balance than this: scoring, D, multiple lines, G, special teams.Could be the year a lot of players all have good years, stay healthy, normalize

    – Or is it all going to crash and crush us?

    Depends on what you mean by crash and crush us. All 12 certainly won’t happen, but I think 6 or 7 could. I think we make the playoffs and could even sneak up on a weak opponent in our flawed division and win a round.

    But to me, the goal is always to build a contender. This team isn’t there. I do sports fandom by enjoying the games, and also thinking about how I would build a team to be a contender. Banking on these 12 isn’t feasible or possible to build a contender.

  147. BaltimoreOilers says:

    Harpers Hair:
    For those interested, some reviews of Sheldon Keefe.

    https://www.nhl.com/news/sheldon-keefe-right-choice-to-replace-mike-babcock-as-maple-leafs-coach-ahl-marlies-say/c-311579444

    So it’s too late to fire Tippet via Skype and hire Keefe??

  148. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Your old-era PMC aura is extremely strong.

  149. Wilde says:

    lines and pairings:

    Gambardella – Malone – Esposito

    [waste of Gambardella]

    Benson – McLeod – Currie

    [this is good]

    Jurco – Cave – Maksimov

    [also good]

    Koules – Iacobellis – Peluso

    [switching Yarcobello and Esposito would have made sense for a half dozen games running now]

    Lagesson – Persson

    [makes sense]

    Lowe – Bouchard

    [cursed]

    Samorukov – Day

    [ok]

  150. dustrock says:

    Wilde,

    Lowe-Bouchard, hey?

  151. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree – this is more of a trap game than a statement game.

    Another game the Oilers of the past would lose – similar to the Wild and Wings game earlier in the year.

    Hopefully there is some of that “maturity” coach talks about.

    I don’t believe this a trap game, if the Oilers are going to win the division they have to snuff out quickly teams down on the luck like LA. It would not surprise me if we’re up 2-0 at the ten minute mark with the aide of secondary scoring.

  152. Wilde says:

    dustrock:
    Wilde,

    Lowe-Bouchard, hey?

    Lowe-Bear redux

  153. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Babcock will go to Seattle: you heard it here first….

    Too late, I posted that Ron Francis “has” his coach on Tuesday. I still have my reflexes from Reach for the Top.

  154. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: There’s no point in trading him right now though. Not many teams have the cap space and there’s nothing we can do with the cap space in-season. It’s a June trade, IMO.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/284877

    You trade him now if you can….simply because you can…..thats the point.

    Will it hurt in the short term…..yes….a little…..

    Will it payoff in the long term….yes…alot.

    But Some opportunities only present themselves once.

    Is it likely that we get the opportunity to trade/move him this year? For the reasons you point to, no , it is not likely.

    But if you get the chance, pull the trigger. Thats the point. Moving that contract on a diminishing asset is the win. the cap space in coming years, is the win. imo

  155. Darth Tu says:

    Oilin4: I think you and others are sub-quoting parts of my posts to cherry-pick small parts of what I’m saying. Doing so takes down anecdotes I provide, but does not invalidate my entire point. I will reiterate it: From 2013 – 2019 our draft has produced 2 forwards – the greatest player of our generation and (in hindsight) a gift fell to us at 3 OV. We have absolutely nothing to show from drafting up front other than those two from all of these drafts. I won’t comment on any individual players.

    I’m happy to continue this debate although I’m getting a bit tired of it. But, please, if you’re going to quote me, address my whole point rather than just one part of it.

    I still think you’re not looking at the full picture here. Making wildly broad gestures about forwards not developing from the 2018 draft is inaccurate. See my earlier reply to you.

    K – 2013. I’ll give you this one. Marc Olivier Roy and Yakimov didn’t work out – that’s poor. Slepyshev had a modicum of success – he was a 3rd round selection.

    2014. Draisatl at number 3 as you say. Wasn’t consensus that Bennett was number 3 that year? The Draisatl selection was a good one and not him falling to the Oilers. After that we had nothing until the 4th round, where we selected Lagesson, a defender, and one who is developing well.

    2015. McDavid – enough said. 4th round, Caleb Jones – enough said. 5th round, Ethan Bear – enough said. 6th round – John Marino – now with the Penguins, enough said.

    2016. Puljujarvi – we all know where we are with this one, on draft day I was pleased with this. Who I’d really wanted was Dubois – but low and behold Columbus were even more willing to reach than me and selected him 3rd. Benson – tracking well after several seasons impacted by injury, I don’t think he’s far away from making the NHL.

    2017. Yamomoto – OP has spoken about this player above – in my mind was not a bad selection – important to note that he was taken in the 20s, he’s not a top 3 player or even a top 10 that should be expected to go straight into the NHL. Stuart Skinner in the second round, tracking well as a prospect. Samorukov in the 3rd round – bags of potential, still a few years away from the NHL (if he’s going to make it).

    2018 – I discussed at length above.

    Drafting has not been the issue. Trading away draft picks in the 2nd-3rd round (and being penalised for Chiarelli coming over from Boston) in 2014-15 are what have caused the biggest amount of damage to the forward prospect depth.

  156. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oilin4: Agreed. Rephrasing the question: Is the likelihood he’ll give us another productive year in 20-21 worth the risk of turning down an offer to dump the contract for 20-21, 21-22 and 22-23 (if the offer comes)? I don’t think so.

    That makes two of us.

  157. drglen says:

    Larrson is back in but with Russell on the third pairing. This will be interesting to watch. Obviously should be a strong defensive pairing. But we’ll see what happens, see which pairs pick up minuses. I wonder if Larsson will get PK minutes.

    The oilers, just after a big win, often coast into a game like this and don’t take it seriously or play wait for the opposition and bang down three nothing after 10 minutes. I really hope they actually play hard to win this game, right from the start. Don’t be satisfied with beating the sharks. They’ve got to start to get hungry to actually beat EVERY team, every game. Kings tend to have the oilers number for some reason. It’s tipps job to make them ready.

    Can Khaira deliver yet again?

    Will Nyggard find some form and space? Will Granland score again?

    Kings are a big veteran team so it’s good to have Chaisson in there… hope he brings some tenacity tonight.

  158. Andy Dufresne says:

    In NO WAY is this garaunteed win night. There are no easy games in the age of parity.

    But we do play better against slower teams.

  159. Andy Dufresne says:

    ArmchairGM: If moving him (Neal) allows the team to add Kreider + Pageau next summer while also keeping Kassian, I’d have to think that would be preferable to squeezing another year out of him.

    This ^

  160. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Your old-era PMC aura is extremely strong.

    It’s the garlic.

  161. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Wilde,

    By your estimation, how much ground does Sammy have to cover (to pass Lowe) before he and Bouch become a legit pairing?

  162. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: You trade him now if you can….simply because you can…..thats the point.

    Will it hurt in the short term…..yes….a little…..

    Will it payoff in the long term….yes…alot.

    But Some opportunities only present themselves once.

    Is it likely that we get the opportunity to trade/move him this year? For the reasons you point to, no , it is not likely.

    But if you get the chance, pull the trigger. Thats the point. Moving that contract on a diminishing assetis the win. the cap space in coming years, is the win.imo

    Wouldn’t that be something if Oilers were free and clear except for 3/4 of a mil and 3rd rounder to start next year. This of course is null and void if Neal scores 6 playoff goals.

  163. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: Wouldn’t that be something if Oilers were free and clear except for 3/4 of a mil and 3rd rounder to start next year.This of course is null and void if Neal scores 6 playoff goals.

    Yes and Yes. 🙂

  164. Wilde says:

    Andy Dufresne: It’s the garlic.

    pmc answer

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Wilde,

    By your estimation, how much ground does Sammy have to cover (to pass Lowe) before he and Bouch become a legit pairing?

    Don’t think that’ll ever happen unless some convoluted series of injuries/personnel stuff happens, I’d have to check but I don’t know if there’s been a shot event in any of their games where I have that pairing marked down

  165. Oilin4 says:

    Darth Tu: I still think you’re not looking at the full picture here.Making wildly broad gestures about forwards not developing from the 2018 draft is inaccurate.See my earlier reply to you.

    K – 2013.I’ll give you this one.Marc Olivier Roy and Yakimov didn’t work out – that’s poor.Slepyshev had a modicum of success – he was a 3rd round selection.

    2014.Draisatl at number 3 as you say. Wasn’t consensus that Bennett was number 3 that year? The Draisatl selection was a good one and not him falling to the Oilers.After that we had nothing until the 4th round, where we selected Lagesson, a defender, and one who is developing well.

    2015.McDavid – enough said.4th round, Caleb Jones – enough said.5th round, Ethan Bear – enough said.6th round – John Marino – now with the Penguins, enough said.

    2016.Puljujarvi – we all know where we are with this one, on draft day I was pleased with this.Who I’d really wanted was Dubois – but low and behold Columbus were even more willing to reach than me and selected him 3rd. Benson – tracking well after several seasons impacted by injury, I don’t think he’s far away from making the NHL.

    2017.Yamomoto – OP has spoken about this player above – in my mind was not a bad selection – important to note that he was taken in the 20s, he’s not a top 3 player or even a top 10 that should be expected to go straight into the NHL. Stuart Skinner in the second round, tracking well as a prospect.Samorukov in the 3rd round – bags of potential, still a few years away from the NHL (if he’s going to make it).

    2018 – I discussed at length above.

    Drafting has not been the issue.Trading away draft picks in the 2nd-3rd round (and being penalised for Chiarelli coming over from Boston) in 2014-15 are what have caused the biggest amount of damage to the forward prospect depth.

    I’ve conceded the 2018 point.

    I’ve also been talking about forwards and all your examples but 2 (the 2 I already discussed) are defensemen.

    Part of the problem is trading picks yes, but part is focusing too heavily on defense, and another part is missing a lot of times over however many years when we do draft F. My point is that we are currently paying the price for that and it seems you agree.

  166. Wilde says:

    McLeod[marked red] made the best use of one of the many carry-in entries he generates I’ve seen on the Maksimov goal, whereafter Maksimov[marked orange] goes for a Benson-like cross-ice low-to-high and Persson makes the cheeky return pass for a tap-in:

    https://streamable.com/v2rou

  167. Andy Dufresne says:

    Wilde: Andy Dufresne: It’s the garlic.

    pmc answer

    Thats just MDS

  168. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thats justMDS

    WTF r u guys talking about?

  169. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    OilersFuture,

    – In hindsight, who were we all kidding that Kailer and Pool were going to make a difference when they first played, what 3 seasons ago each?We got sold bags of goods for sure…

    Weren’t all of Holland’s summer signings bags of goods at the time?

    Who was selling these bags of goods on Yamamoto and Puljujarvi anyway?

  170. Darth Tu says:

    Oilin4: I’ve conceded the 2018 point.

    I’ve also been talking about forwards and all your examples but 2 (the 2 I already discussed) are defensemen.

    Part of the problem is trading picks yes, but part is focusing too heavily on defense, and another part is missing a lot of times over however many years when we do draft F. My point is that we are currently paying the price for that and it seems you agree.

    Where we completely agree is on the trading (or losing due to compensation rules) picks has harmed the teams ability to draft. I would add Benson and Yamomoto to the two players that are currently tracking well from draft and who have the best shot at making it (huge LT style disclaimer in that players don’t develop in a straight line). Puljujarvi could still work out as a player in the NHL for someone, Oilers or otherwise. Development was a problem here, pick how much blame you want to assign the organization and the player, not drafting.

    As for the drafting D before forwards, I don’t see that as an issue or in that it’s harming us. The fact that we have Lagesson, Bouchard, Jones, Bear, Broberg, and Samorukov coming through the system is a good thing. I’m a great believer in building strong teams from the back out, especially when you have McDavid, Draisatl and Nugent-Hopkins to fill out part of the top 2 lines.

    I’m guessing we’re about to agree on this next point we do have more depth in defence now than I can remember the Oilers having in years (I’m only in my mid 30s so take that as you will). If there’s a deal to be done to bring in more scoring for the second line, or 3rd line scoring with a player that can play up the lineup I’d be happy to see it happen. The right D-man to move out as part of that deal has to be identified though. Bear is looking legitimate, Jones has his chance to stake a claim right now. Lagesson is next up and will hopefully get a run in the team at some point this season.

    Beyond that there’s Russell and Benning – they’re both real NHL players. At the end of the season if one or both can be moved out for a 3rd line centre and/or a scoring winger then go for it. We have reinforcements coming that can fill those roster spots.

  171. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pouzar: His defensive pairing numbers with Benning vs Klef are contrasting to say the least.

    Twitterlytics people would look at those results and declare than Benning was better than Klefbom.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilin:
    I think it’s pretty obvious Jack Michaels reads the lowetide forum. Wonder what his handle is.

    Jack Michaels
    @EdmontonJack
    Benning in concussion protocol. Tippett says Larsson playing w/Russell at first to get him up and going…for all the talk about Edmonton’s lack of “balance,” only Caps have more players w/15+ pts and Oilers enter tonight’s game w/best power play in NHL & best road penalty kill.

    To be honest, its not like I game up with that 15 point player stat myself – I think it was Gregor perhaps where I first saw it.

  173. OriginalPouzar says:

    UnfriendlyRegionalArachnidIndividual: Mario Kempe did that. His younger brother, Adrian Kempe, is still a King.

    What the…….

    Its like another Sutter family or Staal family or Stasny family.

    Thanks.

    Apologies to WG or questioning him….. not that I was really questioning him, but still.

  174. Andy Dufresne says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: WTF r u guys talking about?

    IDK

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Who’s moving the puck on the Russell-Larsson pair?

    I’d prefer Larsson up with Klefbom and Jones down with Russell to balance the pairs out in that regard but, at the end of the day, I understand where Tip and Playfair are coming from and, frankly, that 3rd pairing should be good enough.

    Russell on his left side is a much more efficient puck-mover (plus 3rd pairing comp) – not great but he’s not a black hole and, frankly, Larsson isn’t either when he’s not deferring to his partner (which he does with Klef).

    Benning is a solid but its not like he a far superior puck-mover to Larsson – the pairing did great with Matty.

  176. tileguy says:

    Durag: A romantic dinner with Jason Kenney?

    Hopefully this is better late than never.
    LOL

  177. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux:
    – Babcock will go to Seattle: you heard it here first….

    No disrespect, but this is not close to the first time I’ve heard that in the last 24 hours.

    Its a definite possibility – not sure if Francis would want that personality though.

  178. Andy Dufresne says:

    I’ve been busy the last couple of days….

    Did they get Kanes stick out of Bennings ear yet?

  179. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’d prefer Larsson up with Klefbom and Jones down with Russell to balance the pairs out in that regard but, at the end of the day, I understand where Tip and Playfair are coming from and, frankly, that 3rd pairing should be good enough.

    Russell on his left side is a much more efficient puck-mover (plus 3rd pairing comp) – not great but he’s not a black hole and, frankly, Larsson isn’t either when he’s not deferring to his partner (which he does with Klef).

    Tippett’s going to ease Adam back into the line-up unlike I believe it was Eakins who played Nuge 26 minutes in his first game back after a extended shoulder injury

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    That Russell-Larsson pairing is going to be the 2nd pairing, I’m almost certain of it.

    All the evidence is against your intuition.

    Tippet has played Russell as the 5 or 6 all year when given a choice, playing all of Bear, Persson and Jones ahead of him.

    Larsson is in basically his first game of the year.

    Get The Fonz to give your intuition a whack, it’s currently out of whack.

    That or ignore the black cloud oiler posters on Twitter who recite things that Tambellini did as evidence of things Holland will do……

  181. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Goal! McLeod from Maksimov and Benson. Maksi is really making the most of this opportunity, he’s impacted the game noticeably. QoT…

    I was “watching the game” but, really, it was mostly on in the background as, well, you know, legal work.

    I wasn’t paying too close attention but it really seemed like Maksimov was skating well and getting to the right spots. As you said, making the most of the extra offensive opportunities.

    Hopefully Woody noticed and reward him – I’m sure he did and I’m sure he will.

    This was the first of 6 games in 10 days, which is unusual for the Condors – lots of ice coming up.

  182. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    That Russell-Larsson pairing is going to be the 2nd pairing, I’m almost certain of it.

    Klef leads the NHL in ice time so I’m confident he won’t be playing 3rd pairing minutes at evens.

    Don’t imagine Nurse/Bear playing 3rd pairing minutes at evens (in particular given they had one of their better games last game, a great bounce back game). Tip mentioned today how much he likes that pair (when asked if Larsson would be back with Nurse when he gets up to speed).

    I think, going forward, unless Jones kills it Bear style, the plan is Klefbom/Larsson and Tip/Playfair are indeed looking to ease Larsson back in a bit.

  183. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    McLeod[marked red] made the best use of one of the many carry-in entries he generates I’ve seen on the Maksimov goal, whereafter Maksimov[marked orange] goes for a Benson-like cross-ice low-to-high and Persson makes the cheeky return pass for a tap-in:

    https://streamable.com/v2rou

    I love these.

    Thanks for doing them.

  184. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Not all the evidence; Jones’ TOI share vs Elites is 12.10%

  185. Wilde says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    To be very very clear, whenever I’m talking about pairing utilisation (1st/2nd/3rd pairing, Top-4/Bottom-Pairing, etc) I’m speaking about 5v5 unless noted otherwise. Klefbom is 3rd *on the Oilers* in 5v5 TOI/GP

  186. godot10 says:

    Wilde:
    OriginalPouzar,

    To be very very clear, whenever I’m talking about pairing utilisation (1st/2nd/3rd pairing, Top-4/Bottom-Pairing, etc) I’m speaking about 5v5 unless noted otherwise. Klefbom is 3rd *on the Oilers* in 5v5 TOI/GP

    Klef’s 5×5 TOI/GP should be asterisked because he played extreme minutes on the PP, and takes a full share of the PK.

  187. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bah:

    As per Spector:

    It’ll be a late one tonight, as the Kings honour Jeff Carter’s 1,000 NHL games with a pregame ceremony.

    Puck drop “scheduled” for 7:45 PT. I’d set the over/under at 7:50

  188. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: No disrespect, but this is not close to the first time I’ve heard that in the last 24 hours.

    Its a definite possibility – not sure if Francis would want that personality though.

    I expect Babcock will be employed elsewhere long before Seattle hires a coach.
    He’s already been quoted as saying he wants to coach again this season if the opportunity arises.
    Nashville among others might be tempted.

  189. Oil2Oilers says:

    What is more likely from the turd pair tonight?

    Tape to tape passes on zone exits

    Or

    Delay of game penalties from firing it over the glass

  190. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Not all the evidence; Jones’ TOI share vs Elites is 12.10%

    Are you counting TOI vs Elites or 5v5 TOI to delineate your pairs?

    I get both ways.

    I assumed 5v5 TOI.

    Also,

    He’s played 3 games and SJS (Couture) and COL (MacKinnon) only have 1 player each in their current line ups that are PI Elite.

    Rantanen is injured and Pavelski is in DAL.

    That will effect his TOI vs Elites a ton when this small sample when Tippett is running 25-74 against the toughs.

    Not sure if anyone outside of Kopitar qualified for Elite on LAK so it may look the same.

    I’ll wager that Jones has more TOI vs Kopitar than Russell for sure, but Flattop has last change so it might be close, but McLellan doesn’t mess with his 4 line waltz too often.

  191. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: I expect Babcock will be employed elsewhere long before Seattle hires a coach.
    He’s already been quoted as saying he wants to coach again this season if the opportunity arises.
    Nashville among others might be tempted.

    Calgary with the money they saved taking Lucic after bonus check.

  192. Andy Dufresne says:

    Hmmmm

    Pheonix gets no points…..
    or Leafs losing streak continues….

    Hmmmmm

  193. Andy Dufresne says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    What is more likely from the turd pair tonight?

    Tape to tape passes on zone exits

    Or

    Delay of game penalties from firing it over the glass

    Or……. Kris Russell blocks 5 Larsson outlet passes 🙂

    Russells been good lately and Larsson is a Beast

  194. OriginalPouzar says:

    frjohnk: I can see these two get the most minutes on the PK and maybe some of the tougher assignments.
    These two will probably see more minutes than the Russell-Benning pairing and in this case Oscars minutes will go down.

    I do wonder if Jones has some wobbles tonight, if Larsson gets paired with Klefbom

    I anticipate that Larsson will indeed see some time with Klef tonight in any event.

    More than anything, I wonder what they do with the PK – they’ve been going with:

    Nurse/Bear
    Klefbom/Russell

    Obviously Larsson gets PK time, that’s one of his top attributes.

    I’ve been posting for a while that it will be good for Larsson to spell Bear from some PK minutes given Bear is still getting used to the NHL schedule and less PK time could open him up a bit for some more PP time.

    With that said, the PK has been on fire, killed off like 22 straight. Why mess with it?

    Still pretty sure Larsson will get some PK time – will be really interesting to see how Playfair deploys his guys.

  195. Andy Dufresne says:

    Im listening to the Bruins broadcast and there is no giggling….

    Neither guy is giggling…….whats up with that?

  196. Wilde says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Are you counting TOI vs Elites or 5v5 TOI to delineate your pairs?

    I get both ways.

    I assumed 5v5 TOI.

    Also,

    He’s played 3 games and SJS (Couture) and COL (MacKinnon) only have 1 player each in their current line ups that are PI Elite.

    Rantanen is injured and Pavelski is in DAL.

    That will effect his TOI vs Elites a ton when this small sample when Tippett is running 25-74 against the toughs.

    Not sure if anyone outside of Kopitar qualified for Elite on LAK so it may look the same.

    I’ll wager that Jones has more TOI vs Kopitar than Russell for sure, but Flattop has last change so it might be close, but McLellan doesn’t mess with his 4 line waltz too often.

    1) Vs Elites / / Deployment difficulty in general

    2) Yeah I checked that initially because I figured the actually sustainable and reasonable %TOI vs Elites floor for D is probably the 18-19 Sekera treatment; my second piece of evidence would be Klefbom’s shuffling by Tippett; I wouldn’t be surprised to see him play a fair amount of shifts away from Jones. Third piece is that since Tippett’s willing to do the Sheahan-RNH setup it’d just be replicating that on D

  197. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilin: I think you and others are sub-quoting parts of my posts to cherry-pick small parts of what I’m saying. Doing so takes down anecdotes I provide, but does not invalidate my entire point. I will reiterate it: From 2013 – 2019 our draft has produced 2 forwards – the greatest player of our generation and (in hindsight) a gift fell to us at 3 OV. We have absolutely nothing to show from drafting up front other than those two from all of these drafts. I won’t comment on any individual players.

    I’m happy to continue this debate although I’m getting a bit tired of it. But, please, if you’re going to quote me, address my whole point rather than just one part of it.

    I was speaking to one specific point of your post which stated no forwards from the 2018 draft were trending well. I don’t agree with that as only two forwards were chosen and both are trending as expected, in my opinion. I provided quite a bit of my thoughts on why I say that and what I know of their development – happy to chat about it.

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