The News Is Out (all over town)

In the minutes before game time Oilers fans received the news: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins would miss the Arizona game plus another, and maybe more due to a wrist injury. Tabernac Saturday is a cruel cruel day. A day that began with bad ended with good: A shootout victory and a small increase in the team’s Pacific Division lead.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here.

  • New Lowetide: Tyler Benson posting a strong November in hopes of an Oilers recall
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A superstar shines, a goaltender stands tall and a ‘road hockey’ power play helps the Oilers return to form
  • Lowetide: Why Dave Tippett’s deployment is a sign the Oilers need a No. 3 centre
  • Jonathan Willis: A Jesse Puljujarvi trade is an opportunity of which only one NHL team gets to take advantage
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanLeon Draisaitl takes the blame as the Oilers’ struggles against lowly foes continues
  • Jonathan Willis: A list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Woodcroft on Benson’s ‘gift,’ the next step for Bouchard and acting like a proud parent watching the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson’s demotion highlights difficult adjustment for Oilers’ ‘European showtime’ trio
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Evaluating the Oilers’ readiness for the 2021 Seattle expansion draft
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ college procurement could increase under Ken Holland
  • Jonathan Willis: A shift-by-shift analysis of Caleb Jones in his Oilers season debut
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Sometimes it’s just unstoppable’: How McDavid and the Oilers’ power play dominated the Avalanche
  • Jonathan Willis: Darnell Nurse, Caleb Jones and the crisis that’s looming in the Oilers’ middle distance
  • Jonathan Willis: Basically, yes, the Oilers should keep Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ‘forever’

OILERS AFTER 26 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 9-15-2, 20 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in 2016: 14-10-2, 30 points; goal differential +8
  • Oilers in 2017: 10-14-2, 22 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in 2018: 13-11-2, 28 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in 2019: 16-7-3, 35 points; goal differential +13

This is a tremendous start for the Oilers, now holding a significant edge over the 2016-17 team. That first McDavid playoff squad is likely to catch this one, but I’m thinking (for the first time) maybe this one really does have what it takes to win the division. It was an impressive weekend.

OILERS IN NOVEMBER

  • Oilers in November 2015: 4-6-2, 10 points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in November 2016: 5-6-1, 11 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in November 2017: 5-6-1, 11 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in November 2018: 4-7-1, nine points; goal differential -10
  • Oilers in November 2019: 7-3-2, 16 points, goal differential +8

This team is five points clear of the best team from the past during this period. That’s significant. There isn’t much track left in the month, 16 points following up 19 points in October is truly amazing.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN NOVEMBER

  • On the road to: PIT (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: ARI, STL, NJD (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • On the road to: ANA, SJS (Expected 1-0-1) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: COL, DAL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • On the road to: SJS, LAK, VEG, ARI, COL (Expected 2-3-0) (Actual 3-1-0)
  • At home to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 7-3-2, 16 points in 12 games

The Oilers exceeded my reasonable expectations for the month last night and have two games in hand to push the total higher. I had 88 points as the season, right now the team is on pace for 110. Incredible.

OILERS 2019-20

The bottom-six scoring has been coming along lately, Granlund is showing up on the scoresheet with some consistency. Added to Jujhar Khaira (who has been productive with skill lines so it’s cheating a little) and Gaetan Haas and maybe there’s more goals than there were a year ago from that group. All numbers via NST and five-on-five unless otherwise noted.

LINE 1 Leon Draisaitl-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 19:22, going 23-15 Corsi, 11-9 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-3 HDSC.

Leon Draisaitl had a fabulous power play assist, a couple of great looks (one in OT), a takeaway and won nine of 11 in the dot. He was tripped in overtime, no call. Connor McDavid had a PP assist, three shots and a HDSC. He was incredible in OT, and added a new wrinkle when knocking a Coyote to the ice with some vengeance. A key play in the game came when Christian Fischer engaged in some shenanigans with 97 and then raced away to score the second Coyotes goal. No penalty on this play either. Zack Kassian had three shots but also three giveaways. The line got a steady diet of Brad Richardson-Fischer-Michael Grabner, plus defenders Alex Goligoski and Jakob Chychrun. Coyotes were mostly effective against the big line.

LINE 2 James Neal-Sam Gagner-Alex Chiasson played 12:43 and went 17-4 Corsi, 9-2 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-0 HDSC. That’s a great number set.

James Neal scored a fine power-play goal early in the game and had three shots, two HDSC at five-on-five. Solid road trip from the veteran. Sam Gagner was impressive subbing for Nuge, his assist came after gaining zone entry and taking full advantage of OEL falling. Samwise first passed for Neal (who was racing for the net) and then out front to Chiasson who broke his slump. A good night for the veteran. Alex Chiasson scored a goal, had three shots and two HDSC. He needed that goal.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 7:25, going 7-6 Corsi, 4-3 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-2 HDSC.

Joakim Nygard was part of the furniture on the third Arizona goal, love the effort chasing your mark to the net but try not to park your ass where the goalie is supposed to go. He did have a HDSC. Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald worked hard but not much showed up on the score sheet to prove it.

LINE 4 Markus Granlund-Gaetan Haas-Patrick Russell played 7:16, going 8-7 Corsi, 5-2 shots, 0-0 goals and 3-1 HDSC. A good number set.

Markus Granlund scored another big goal. His first 15 games with Edmonton were pedestrian but the veteran has been an enormous help lately. He had three shots and two HDSC. Now three goals in four games. Gaetan Haas had a shot and a dangerous chance, and won five of seven in the circle. Patrick Russell grabbed an assist, and had a shot plus HDSC.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 18:48, going 22-17 Corsi, 11-10 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-5 HDSC. Duo was stapled to the McDavid line.

Darnell Nurse had a terrific chance to score in overtime via a McDavid feed, had three shots at five on five and worked hard defending. Ethan Bear had three shots and is more dynamic with the puck than his partner. His work in the Arizona zone last night signals a player who can get to clean air on his own with vision and the ability to make defenders miss both him and the puck. He’s going to score some gorgeous goals this season.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Caleb Jones played 17:13, going 18-15 Corsi, 9-8 shots, 2-1 goals and 2-2 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom had a nice assist, three shots and played well. He intercepted a headman pass in OT that would have resulted in a clear breakaway. Caleb Jones defended well and he’s jumping into the play more. I don’t see how they can send him back.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Adam Larsson played 15:22, going 14-13 Corsi, 5-3 shots, no goals and 4-5 HDSC.

Kris Russell had a takeaway and some poor clearing and he defended most of the time and so did Adam Larsson. Russell was mostly effective in the defensive zone. Neither man is a quality passer, so the pairing is unable to book passage to the offensive zone. Adam Larsson is rock steady on the third pair, a real luxury for coach Dave Tippett he can run the vet here because of two rookies filling more prominent jobs.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen was the star of the game in my opinion. He made three outstanding saves in the third period to keep Edmonton within a goal. He stopped 26 of 29, .897.

CONDORS 2019-20

Lines courtesy Wilde, who also confirms the defensive pairings, which I believe have been consistent for a few games now. The RH blue is where a lot of the current offense is coming from, Woodcroft is running two lines of veterans and one line of prospects. Team lacks depth, but Cooper Marody is back and should be in a feature role.

THE ATHLETIC GET TOGETHER

A quick note to thank all who attended the Rec Room event on Saturday. I was pleased to see both genders well represented and had a chance to chat with most of you. My takeaways are that you are very interested in the prospects, in the next Darnell Nurse contract, in the possibility of Taylor Hall’s return, the next trade, Dave Tippett’s role, Tyler Benson’s arrival. I wrote all the points and ideas down and will be writing articles based on your questions and comments in the coming weeks. Thanks for taking the time. I was truly touched by the number of people who took the time to attend and to take part in the discussion.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning (I’ll be on the round table at 9) starts at 10, TSN1260. Dan Ralph from The Canadian Press joins us at 10:20 to talk Grey Cup and Jason Gregor will be my guest at 11 to chat GC and Oilers impressive road trip. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!!

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  1. Reja says:

    godot10: Peters never used Neal on the powerplay.

    Take away Neal’s power play time in Edmonton, and he looks like extremely poor value for $5.75 million (plus the $750K the OIlers retained on Lucic).

    In all fairness Neal’s had some excellent chances 5on5. James has also been throwing the body around more than I imagined of him. He’s a big reason why we’re in first place and why we have a crackerjack powerplay.

  2. OilClog says:

    Harpers Hair: Haha…you looked it up.

    Did some remodeling work for their downtown Victoria location 😘

  3. Wilde says:

    oilersfan:
    OP or Wilde

    Have either of you heard what is the injury that Yamamoto is out for? And how long is he out?

    How about Jurco?

    1) Yamamoto “banged up” as per the DNB interview w/ Woodcroft, hasn’t played since Nov. 16th (missed three games now; Nov. 21/23/24)

    2) Jurco played all of Nov. 23 game (total shot events and shifts suggests 2nd line usage) and was out Nov. 24

    [Dislaimer – there is /never/ any injury/healthy scratch updates that aren’t just offhand remarks. Anything I ever mention that isn’t explicitly sourced is my inference after, say, literally watching a player get concussed or some similar cue mid-game where a player leaves or is visibly playing out a game injured]

  4. Harpers Hair says:

    OilClog: Did some remodeling work for their downtown Victoria location

    Not going to ask what remodelling means in this instance.

  5. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: “real.. acid?”

    I wasn’t sure if it was comedy or if you were coming around on the rickibox.

    It seems ricki has a lot of stories about smart hockey people in the biz saying they support his theories so I wasn’t sure if you were one of the recent converts or not.

    Ricki’s theory is one of the great, confusing mysteries of life – I must stay in the know.

    I apologize for being confusing.

    Wolfcastle GIF: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2018-10-03&td=2018-11-25&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8477934&p3=8476454&p4=0&p5=0

    Also,

    I’ve agreed with rickibear that defending the slot and cross seam poses is critical.

    I disagree with how he figures out who is good at it and disagree with how he values Dmen overall.

    Also,

    Ricki’s theory is one of the great, confusing mysteries of life – I must stay in the know.

    Mr. Thebear’s theory is a a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma buried under a porch.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot: From Boy Sent Wandering to Boy Wonder to Boy Wondering.The Jay Woodcroft Story.

    No real nead to “wonder”.

    Staring goalie injured long term in the first week of the season (although that wasn’t the issue yesterday, tending has been a massive issue).

    NHL graduation of prospects replaced by rookies (Jones, Bear ——- Bouchard, Samorukov).

    Lots of injuries and a non-consistent lineup with tons of talent but rookie pro talent (Bouchard, Samorukov, Maksimov, McLeod – these guys take time to be prominent pros).

    Also, they take WAY to many penalties, consistently.

  7. treevojo says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Ricki’s theory is one of the great, confusing mysteries of life – I must stay in the know.
    Mr. Thebear’s theory is a a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma buried under a porch.

    Is the door to that porch open or closed?

  8. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Heck no – we want to commit to Turris for 4 more years? Even at $4M, that’s not where I want to allocate our precious cap dollars.

    Bonino is who you want out of NSH.

    NSH’s 3rd pair is killing them. (Fabbro, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm off GF% is 36.7%)

    I wonder if Russell + JP + ? (Stacking trade!!) Gets it done?

    Dman factory NSH needs D.

    Crazy.

  9. Minister D- says:

    Justthestatsman: It doesn’t make sense to me that once a penalty has been called that the offender can continue to get in as many shots as they want without any additional consequences.It looked like three different penalties could have been called if the officials chose to.Bortuzzo could have been given two cross checking penalties (the second of which could have been an major) and Binnington could have had one added on as well.The immediate consequences of trying to kill full a full 2 minute 5 on 3 PK with a major tacked on might be more effective than a suspension.

    Anyone know what happens to the referees in the situation where they miss the calls and suspensions are issued.Any consequences for them?

    Yes. If the game had an in-person officials supervisor (many do), the supervisor would reprimand the officials during their post-game conferences, which usually occur immediately after the game. If it’s a particularly senior/old-school supervisor, these post-game conferences aren’t especially pretty. There are a variety of consequences: losing out on games that are perceived as significant by the league (rivalries, volatile situations in need of a more-than-usual level of game management, games with playoff implications, nationally-televised games). Probably the most important consequence is that poor officiating will affect an officials’ ranking, leading to fewer assigned regular season games, reducing the likelihood of playoff work, which all adds up to lost earnings. Of course, if things get progressively worse, an official could find themselves back in the minors.

  10. Justthestatsman says:

    Minister D-: Yes. If the game had an in-person officials supervisor (many do), the supervisor would reprimand the officials during their post-game conferences, which usually occur immediately after the game. If it’s a particularly senior/old-school supervisor, these post-game conferences aren’t especially pretty. There are a variety of consequences: losing out on games that are perceived as significant by the league (rivalries, volatile situations in need of a more-than-usual level of game management, games with playoff implications, nationally-televised games). Probably the most important consequence is that poor officiating will affect an officials’ ranking, leading to fewer assigned regular season games, reducing the likelihood of playoff work, which all adds up to lost earnings. Of course, if things get progressively worse, an official could find themselves back in the minors.

    Much appreciated, thank you.

  11. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster: Now you’re just being crazy, everyone knows it’s Vegreville. Even on this side of the pond.

    Thanks SP.

    I *knew* I was right.

  12. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Bonino is who you want out of NSH.

    NSH’s 3rd pair is killing them. (Fabbri, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm off GF% is 36.7%)

    I wonder if Russell + JP + ? (Stacking trade!!) Gets it done?

    Dman factory NSH needs D.

    Crazy.

    Bonino turns 32 this year.
    Non elite players hit a cliff sometime around that age
    You want the next Bonino

    Actually you want Pageau, the guy I wanted at the start of the season

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny:
    Three things I think separate this team from past iterations at 5×5:

    1. The breakouts:(as many have commented, no need to repeat)

    2.The forecheck: This has been a delight to watch this year as we seem to be causing turnovers in the Ozone on a regular basis.When a clean zone entry isn’t there, they have no problem with getting the puck deep and then forechecking the living hell out of the other team’s breakout, with good results.Speed in the bottom 6 has helped this area out greatly.

    3. Activating Defensemen:This is the most I’ve seen Oiler Dmen activate into the play, either early on the breakout or later on the zone entry.It appears that every single defenseman on the roster with the possible exception of Manning, has the green light to join the O.We are creating a lot of 4 man attacks and it is giving the other teams fits.Klefbom expecially has looked like a 4th F, and Nurse has never been shy about joining the play.But I’ve seen KRusty and Larsson do this too, and now Bear and Jones of course.

    Add in quality goalering, non-tire fire defending, and special teams, and you get your Pacific Division leaders…

    Agreed.

    My favourite new wrinkle on the forecheck is the blue line and neutral zone pressure from the Dman.

    Lots of turn overs happening in that area resulting in more pressure and not allowing the opposing forwards to change.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ribs: Getting painful to read this thread (sides hurting), lol.

    🙂

  15. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I didn’t expect this:

    For November game only.

    EDM’s 5v5 goal share:

    McDavid On Ice (14-14) 50%
    Nuge On Ice(no McDavid) (3-6) 33%
    Both Off Ice (12-7) 63%

    Whoa.

    97-29-44 are The Legion of Zoom.

    But now who’s zoomin’ who?

  16. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lightgestalt:
    Talking about peculiar expressions and codes on this blog: Does anyone else see a picture of mobster-style cement shoes when OP is talking about “a clean disposition of Russel”? Should KRussel ever disappear unexpectedly, a google search will spit out OP as enemy number one for sure … although there might be foundmore than one suspect here

    Post more.

    Take the cannoli, leave the gun.

  17. geowal says:

    Lowetide: I often wonder how long it takes even the most intelligent of our newcomers to figure out what the hell we’re talking about most of the time. Side is probably top two percent brain power and still these strange little sayings elude. I should do a glossary.

    I still don’t know what the hell a pisscutter is, but mostly just you and Woodguy used it until recently, so I didn’t worry about it. I’ve always assumed it’s basically someone who should get a Selke nominee? And I can’t begin to guess the origin of the term.

  18. Munny says:

    Munny: 97-29-44 are The Legion of Zoom.

    But now who’s zoomin’ who?

    The Haas that Granny Built.

  19. Harpers Hair says:

    geowal: I still don’t know what the hell a pisscutter is, but mostly just you and Woodguy used it until recently, so I didn’t worry about it. I’ve always assumed it’s basically someone who should get a Selke nominee? And I can’t begin to guess the origin of the term.

    The original pisscutters were the Sedin twins.

  20. SkatinginSand says:

    ashley,

    They are not playing a man to man. That is a 2-1-2 zone all the way. Center supports the defencemen in the corner and wingers play from center of the ice when the puck is on the opposite side (sag) to the boards on their side. they do not aggressively challenge the point. The only exceptions were in the Dallas game, where a couple of times there were 4 Oilers in the corner and the fifth (the weakside winger) inside the strongside faceoff circle. This is called “the swarm”

  21. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: The original pisscutters were the Sedin twins.

    Yeah and I wanna say Dennis King as source but not a hundred percent sure.

  22. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny: Yeah and I wanna say Dennis King as source but not a hundred percent sure.

    Sounds about right.

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    LadiesloveSmid: How many 5v5 GA was McDavid on for in October? 14 seems unreal, that line is so bad defensively

    October only.

    All 93-97 together results are in 97’s results. (1 goal for)

    97 On (17-7) 71%
    93 On (7-4) 64%
    Both off (1-14) 7%

  24. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo:
    Man

    Babcock is taking a beating.

    Corpse not even cold.

    I think it’s because it sounds like he’s an asshole.

  25. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I think it’s because it sounds like he’s an asshole.

    Heard a story today that he had Mitch Marner rank all his team mates based on their effort in games and then released the results to the rest of the team who quickly figured out who did the ranking.

    That’s not what I would call a team building exercise.

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Cassandra: It really is incredible.All of this was happening and everybody knew and they said nothing.Meanwhile the talking heads covering the most covered team in the Universe kept on engaging in mindless speculation of will he or won’t he be fired and what is wrong with the Leafs when they knew all along.

    Old school hockey is pathological and the media is complicit.What is happening now is delicious.

    When Bill James referred to baseball writers as “the ladies auxiliary” he nailed it for most sports writing.

    That term means more to people of my age who grew up with Lion’s Club, Rotary Club etc.

    It’s a different world now (and for the most part better) world but back then his reference meant “organization that exists to support” the main organization.

  27. Lowetide says:

    geowal: I still don’t know what the hell a pisscutter is, but mostly just you and Woodguy used it until recently, so I didn’t worry about it. I’ve always assumed it’s basically someone who should get a Selke nominee? And I can’t begin to guess the origin of the term.

    Pisscutter is a phrase I used often on the blog years ago, but it’s a known word (means exceptional) so it could have been used by others for sure.

  28. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: Heard a story today that he had Mitch Marnerrank all his team mates based on their effort in games and then released the results to the rest of the team who quickly figured out who did the ranking.

    That’s not what I would call a team building exercise.

    Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

  29. Munny says:

    Lowetide: Pisscutter is a phrase I used often on the blog years ago, but it’s a known word (means exceptional) so it could have been used by others for sure.

    Aha!

  30. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Heard a story today that he had Mitch Marnerrank all his team mates based on their effort in games and then released the results to the rest of the team who quickly figured out who did the ranking.

    That’s not what I would call a team building exercise.

    Lots of pressure being the Leafs coach especially when there expected to win. Teams always get a bounce for a couple of weeks after firing the evil coach. We shall see after the honeymoon is over.

  31. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: McDavid was really bad in a couple of the Oilers losses.His “badness” (along with Draisaitl and Kassian) was extremely concentrated to a couple of games.

    Small samples for sure, but it was “both off” that grabbed my attention.

  32. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I am now going to refer to the home plate/slot as the “camping box”

    For a long time, that remained my most popular post here at Lowetide.

  33. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Pisscutter is a phrase I used often on the blog years ago, but it’s a known word (means exceptional) so it could have been used by others for sure.

    It seems to mean several things. If you apply it to the Sedins, some people might see a double entendre, one extremely complimentary, and one xenophobic/homophobic.

    In the context of this blog, it has always been the former, but an outsider might construe it as the latter.

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    flyfish1168: Improvement.

    I wonder if some of the bottom 6 just need a few extra games to get into game shape or readjust to the pace of the game and now it is showing.

    Agreed.

    Haas and Nygard had never played a NHL game when the season opened.

  35. Nit64 says:

    SwedishPoster: Now you’re just being crazy, everyone knows it’s Vegreville. Even on this side of the pond.

    But do they know about Calmar?

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    treevojo: Is the door to that porch open or closed?

    /thread

  37. Wilde says:

    I’d be completely fine with homer media if they didn’t also deploy this faux-adversarialism, more often than not directed at the players and the fans.

    Journalists can often have this idea that, because their tradition has before been an indispensable function in society and a crusading check on power, their actions as one are forever cloaked in service to the public.

    Not so. Pay the rent.

    Not only is punching down with all of the righteousness that should be solely reserved for punching up completely repellant at first glance, the long-term culture-building aspect of it is downright poison.

  38. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    treevojo: Is the door to that porch open or closed?

    /thread

    “If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks of his cavern.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r679Hhs9Zs

  39. jimmers2 says:

    Lowetide: For a long time, that remained my most popular post here at Lowetide.

    That post was bananas and is still my favourite. I hurt myself laughing and giggled spontaneously for a few days after. Honest and true. Like reading Nikolai Gogol but with a bit less absurd and more funny and more reality. You should make a Fringe festival performance out of it, LT. Or a movie.
    Thank for reminding me!

  40. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Heard a story today that he had Mitch Marnerrank all his team mates based on their effort in games and then released the results to the rest of the team who quickly figured out who did the ranking.

    That’s not what I would call a team building exercise.

    He apparently did the same thing to another rookie when he coached in Detroit.

    “I don’t know where I went wrong.. i mean.. I pressured a 19 year old into doing something that would make him feel uncomfortable.. and then used it to potentially turn his own team against him.. i’m just.. at a loss.”

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    Side: He apparently did the same thing to another rookie when he coached in Detroit.

    “I don’t know where I went wrong.. i mean.. I pressured a 19 year old into doing something that would make him feel uncomfortable.. and then used it to potentially turn his own team against him.. i’m just.. at a loss.”

    What a dink.

  42. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: What a dink.

    *cock

    Actually.

  43. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Lowetide: For a long time, that remained my most popular post here at Lowetide.

    Has anyone ever actually seen Woodguy and LT in the same room?

    I’m starting to think that maybe they’re the same person… like LT is a ventriloquist and Woodguy is his “dummy”…. hence the name “WOODGUY “…

    Things that make you go hmmmmm….

  44. Harpers Hair says:

    Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville: Has anyone ever actually seen Woodguy and LT in the same room?

    I’m starting to think that maybe they’re the same person… like LT is a ventriloquist and Woodguy is his “dummy”…. hence the name “WOODGUY “…

    Things that make you go hmmmmm….

    I know them both personally and can confirm one of them is a blockhead.😜

  45. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Harpers Hair: I know them both personally and can confirm one of them is a blockhead.

    😂😂😂

  46. Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville says:

    Re: Babcock…if anyone feels bad for him, just follow Mike Commodore on Twitter, he loves Babcock and is super empathetic to his plight. 😂😂😂

    @commie22

  47. Harpers Hair says:

    Mike Babcock and Laine Babcock are both from Saskatchewan.
    Coincidence ?

  48. Pouzar says:

    Fuhr and Lowething in Vegreville: Mike Commodore

    #BabcockBlock

  49. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Gord Miller
    @GMillerTSN
    ·

    McDavid and Draisaitl.

    replaying to:

    who are your front runners for MVP ( I know it’s early lol)

    Don’t forget Gord is an Edmonton boy. An island alone I imagine.

  50. Halfwise says:

    If I was a pisscutter I would be like that laser beam in Goldfinger cutting sheet metal, only it would be me taking a leak.

    That’s what “pisscutter” always makes me think of.

  51. geowal says:

    Lowetide: Pisscutter is a phrase I used often on the blog years ago, but it’s a known word (means exceptional) so it could have been used by others for sure.

    Yeah I always knew the Sedins were the type case, just didn’t know why (two-way play, cycling)?
    I had no idea it was a word elsewhere.

  52. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reja: In all fairness Neal’s had some excellent chances 5on5. Jameshas also been throwing the body around more than I imagined of him. He’s a big reason why we’re in first place and why we have a crackerjack powerplay.

    Neal is obviously more useful than the Tower of Power, but still he lives and dies as a finisher.

    That he works out with The Flash and still can’t skate well… if it were me I don’t think I’d mention it 😀

  53. SVR says:

    Haven’t read the thread yet so maybe already discussed

    Smallest of sample sizes, but does that great game by line two last night allow us to try this when all are healthy?

    Leon- McD-Kass
    Chias-Gags-Real Deal
    JJ-RNH-Hass
    Granny-Sheahan-Archie

    Best third line center in the league!

  54. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: Bonino turns 32 this year.
    Non elite players hit a cliff sometime around that age
    You want the next Bonino

    Actually you want Pageau, the guy I wanted at the start of the season

    I wasn’t putting Borino above anyone other than NSH C trade targets.

    Who is this Pageau person?

    I’ve never heard of him/her.

  55. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    geowal: I still don’t know what the hell a pisscutter is, but mostly just you and Woodguy used it until recently, so I didn’t worry about it. I’ve always assumed it’s basically someone who should get a Selke nominee? And I can’t begin to guess the origin of the term.

    Pisscutter was a term my Dad and others in his family used to denote someone who was very, very good at what they did and tough to compete against.

    One day LT used that term here and it was listening to my Dad. Awesome.

    Sedins, Hossa, Datsyuk, Crosby…etc. They’re piss-cutters.

    They’ll beat you in every facet of the game.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    OP or Wilde

    Have either of you heard what is the injury that Yamamoto is out for? And how long is he out?

    How about Jurco?

    I did answer this in the last thread (but it was mid-morning so you likely missed it).

    No, I have listened to everything Woody has said publicly (that I know of) and tried to get some info from Ryan Holt but, to my knowledge, there has been no information on Kailier, what the injury is or expected term.

    Woody will be on Oilers Now with Stauf either tomorrow or Wednesday so we may get an update then.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Halfwise:
    If I was a pisscutter I would be like that laser beam in Goldfinger cutting sheet metal, only it would be me taking a leak.

    That’s what “pisscutter” always makes me think of.

    Geez what if you lost your grip and took out your leg?

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    Some of us thought the Draisaitl contract was great at the time it was signed.I’m pretty sure I was alone in the phone booth with a mob of contract haters pounding on the glass hoping to pummel me into oblivion.

    No some here aren’t concerned about paying talent. It’s paying those who will only have a few good seasons and are complimentary players that is the cap killer.

    Drai was a 14 tool player from the get go. Nobody could have predicted his super nova, and it might burn out but he’s more than a Pisscutter, to use another phrase from here he’s A Stone Cold Killer.

    Points at the top of not, he allows Connor to freelance. Not comparing directly but he’s Connor’s Messier or Kurri.

    Now they need the Anderson and Krushelnyski ( blazing fast scoring winger and out-scoring 3C, for the younger folk).

  59. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: For a long time, that remained my most popular post here at Lowetide.

    For good reason.

    I laughed so goddamn hard.

    Your poor Mom.

  60. Reja says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Neal is obviously more useful than the Tower of Power, but still he lives and dies as a finisher.

    That he works out with The Flash and still can’t skate well… if it were me I don’t think I’d mention it

    Hardest thing to do in hockey is score.Neal has been getting some great looks he’s finding the soft spots and with some puck luck he could have 20. I predicted before the weekend Neal goes on a 5-6 goal run in the next Dozen games Also since Mcdavid has been shooting and scoring on the PP it’s opened up the down low play again. Im loving the effort and the leadership James has been displaying through the first 26 games.

  61. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Lowetide: Geez what if you lost your grip and took out your leg?

    🤣😂🤣

  62. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Wilde:
    I’d be completely fine with homer media if they didn’t also deploy this faux-adversarialism, more often than not directed at the players and the fans.

    Journalists can often have this idea that, because their tradition has before been an indispensable function in society and a crusading check on power, their actions as one are forever cloaked in service to the public.

    Not so. Pay the rent.

    Not only is punching down with all of the righteousness that should be solely reserved for punching up completely repellant at first glance, the long-term culture-building aspect of it is downright poison.

    Good post.

    It’s all about power.

    Team has power so they rarely punch up.

    Spector/Souray pieces notwithstanding due to rarity.

  63. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: No some here aren’t concerned about paying talent. It’s paying those who will only have a few good seasons and are complimentary players that is the cap killer.

    Drai was a 14 tool player from the get go. Nobody could have predicted his super nova, and it might burn out but he’s more than a Pisscutter, to use another phrase from here he’s A Stone Cold Killer.

    Points at the top of not, he allows Connor to freelance. Not comparing directly but he’s Connor’s Messier or Kurri.

    Now they need the Anderson and Krushelnyski ( blazing fast scoring winger and out-scoring 3C, for the younger folk).

    Connor is like Leeloo from 5th Element. If the elements align he will be something much more impactful than we have seen. Leo spoke to it.

    That Leo spoke to it is really important. He gets that Connor can do things he never win. I think Connor knows what Leo is and wants to share the spotlight.

    They understand each other and seem to be comfortable in their competitive situation.

    We are so very fortunate in that. It’s not always the case.

  64. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    treevojo: Is the door to that porch open or closed?

    /thread

    “If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks of his cavern.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r679Hhs9Zs

    My favourite song in the history of the world is Peace Frog.

  65. ashley says:

    SkatinginSand:
    ashley,

    They are not playing a man to man.That is a 2-1-2 zone all the way. Center supports the defencemen in the corner and wingers play from center of the ice when the puck is on the opposite side (sag) to the boards on their side.they do not aggressively challenge the point.The only exceptions were in the Dallas game, where a couple of times there were 4 Oilers in the corner and the fifth (the weakside winger) inside the strongside faceoff circle.This is called “the swarm”

    I thought that too initially, but I decided against it. They are calling for switches, but then they trade checks and continue to play man to man from what I can see. A switching man-to-man can look like a zone. It can also be hard to tell because they are sagging so much.

    I don’t think it’s the swarm though. That emphasizes heavy pressure on the puck and closest players to the puck. They aren’t really doing that.

    Admittedly, it’s not easy to interpret as the pace is quick. But I’ve seen players following their check from one side of the ice to the other when no switch is called by the player on the opposite side which would argue against a 2-1-2 zone and favour a man-to-man deployment.

    It’s also possible they are switching between man-to-man and 2-1-2 zone mid-game to give teams a different look which isn’t a bad strategy. A third possibility is a hybrid man-to-man/zone D which is not that uncommon.

    Regardless, the principles of the D they are playing is to have all players low in the zone which has been highly effective vs last year.

    Let’s watch carefully in the next few games. Hard to do on TV as the field of view doesn’t always include all the players, easier in person.

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Halfwise:
    If I was a pisscutter I would be like that laser beam in Goldfinger cutting sheet metal, only it would be me taking a leak.

    That’s what “pisscutter” always makes me think of.

    I think that’s pretty close.

  67. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    JimmyV1965: We don’t know what we don’t know. The Flames truly believed they could not return with Neal; right or wrong. The Lucic trade may have been the most palatable option. The Flames will get to the point, probably next year, when they make him a permanent scratch. For now, he’s apparently on PP1 again. That coaching decision is mind boggling.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures…

    So she went to the closet and she pulled the old gun down….
    I’ll put a bullet through his heart if he ain’t home by sundown…

  68. geowal says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pisscutter was a term my Dad and others in his family used to denote someone who was very, very good at what they did and tough to compete against.

    One day LT used that term here and it was listening to my Dad.Awesome.

    Sedins, Hossa, Datsyuk, Crosby…etc. They’re piss-cutters.

    They’ll bet beat you in every facet of the game.

    Awesome

  69. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ashley: I thought that too initially, but I decided against it.They are calling for switches, but then they trade checks and continue to play man to man from what I can see.A switching man-to-man can look like a zone.It can also be hard to tell because they are sagging so much.

    I don’t think it’s the swarm though.That emphasizes heavy pressure on the puck and closest players to the puck.They aren’t really doing that.

    Admittedly, it’s not easy to interpret as the pace is quick.But I’ve seen players following their check from one side ofthe ice to the other when no switch is called by the player on the opposite side which would argue against a 2-1-2 zone and favour a man-to-man deployment.

    It’s also possible they are switching between man-to-man and 2-1-2 zone mid-game to give teams a different look which isn’t a bad strategy.A third possibility is a hybrid man-to-man/zone strategy which I have seen deployed a few times.

    Regardless, the principles of the D they are playing is to have all players low in the zone which has been highly effective vs last year.

    Let’s watch carefully in the next few games.Hard to do on TV as the field of view doesn’t always include all the players, easier in person.

    I’m not able to analyze as you both do, but I think that having more than one D system is a fantastic way to trump the other team.

    Dump and chase vs puck carrying teams, the best D is different. Not completely, but in details. Which is why good teams have a ‘balance of players’.

    Balance photo please.

  70. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    No some here aren’t concerned about paying talent.

    Some of us here are allergic to paying over market and selling under market on anything because it’s what we do every day of our lives and we do well because others who do it everyday of their lives are bad at it.

    Drai was over market.

    Once the new market was set, other got more than him and others got close to him.

    Contracts that were 6.5 2 years previous were now 8.5.

    The market is fluid and a key reason why Drai is under market now is because his contract reset the market and other players got paid more than Drai as they were valued higher than him at the time they got their contracts.

    To put it into sales terms:

    Sometimes a 10 point (sale profit) is a good sale and sometimes a 30 point sale is a shitty sale. It all depends on the market for the product.

    Drai was a 20 point sale in a market where 25-30 was minimum acceptable margin.

    Bear’s and Nurse’s contracts are next.

    Hope Holland is better at gauging the market than Pete.

  71. Wilde says:

    Fellas,

    Player (plus/minus Player): CF – CA (CD) / / CF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 104 – 95 (+9) / / 52.26%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 242 – 162 (+89) / / 59.90%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 257 – 220 (+37) / / 53.88%

    Player (plus/minus Player): GF – GA (GD) / / GF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 1 – 4 (-3) / / 20.00%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 9 – 11 (-2) / / 45.00%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 5 – 8 (-3) / / 38.46%

    e: oops I messed up the goal counts, see correction below

  72. Lowetide says:

    Wilde:
    Fellas,

    Player (plus/minus Player): CF – CA (CD) / / CF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 104 – 95 (+9) / / 52.26%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 242 – 162 (+89) / / 59.90%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 257 – 220 (+37) / / 53.88%

    Player (plus/minus Player): GF – GA (GD) / / GF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 1 – 4 (-3) / / 20.00%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 9 – 11 (-2) / / 45.00%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 5 – 8 (-3) / / 38.46%

    Geez for a small sample size that’s fucking alarming.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Vegreville down 2-0

    Flames lose in OT to an eastern team

    Canucks lose in regulation to an eastern team.

    That one point for the flames is annoying but the above looks good.

  74. flyfish1168 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Bonino is who you want out of NSH.

    NSH’s 3rd pair is killing them. (Fabbro,Josi, Ellis, Ekholm off GF% is 36.7%)

    I wonder if Russell + JP + ? (Stacking trade!!) Gets it done?

    Dman factory NSH needs D.

    Crazy.

    How does Sissons stack up? I’m concern about Binino being 32 next APR and only sign for one more year. Sissons sign at a beauty of a contract for another 6 years at 2.85 and is only 26 yrs old

  75. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie:
    9 Months ago Koskinen gets signed to starting goalie money.

    Was PC right on that contract?

    One year ago Koskinen had a GAA well under 2 and a save percentage over .930.

    I am VERY happy with the start and, while he does look like a totally superior tender to last year (and there are objective thoughts on this posted above dealing with his techincal play), I don’t think we are quite there yet.

    Keep it up Mikko, keep it up.

  76. Kraz says:

    Wilde:
    Fellas,

    Player (plus/minus Player): CF – CA (CD) / / CF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 104 – 95 (+9) / / 52.26%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 242 – 162 (+89) / / 59.90%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 257 – 220 (+37) / / 53.88%

    Player (plus/minus Player): GF – GA (GD) / / GF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 1 – 4 (-3) / / 20.00%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 9 – 11 (-2) / / 45.00%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 5 – 8 (-3) / / 38.46%

    That is absolutely brutal. Did he have the same effect on Jones?

    I know its only Brandon Manning but I wonder when he gets healthy if they could send him down to the AHL and maybe he could be a decent partner for Bouchard

  77. Kraz says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I thought McDavid’s contract reset the market? If McDavid is making 12.5 million I would imagine it to be damn hard to convince Draisaitl and his agent that he is worth pretty much half of McDavid at 6.5

  78. Halfwise says:

    Lowetide: Geez what if you lost your grip and took out your leg?

    Ha. Sean Connery’s leg would be the first to go.

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    geowal: Awesome

    Piss-cutters were also obstacles to be over come.

    If you were dismantling something and one of the bolts were stripped, then that bolt was a “piss-cutter”

    Something that got in your way and was a pain in the ass to deal with.

  80. John Chambers says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Vegreville down 2-0

    Flames lose in OT to an eastern team

    Canucks lose in regulation to an eastern team.

    That one point for the flames is annoying but the above looks good.

    The Canucks have just four wins in their last 12. They don’t have the depth or the experience to compete for a playoff spot.

    They got a good player in Miller, but they’ll be gifting a lottery pick to Tampa.

    Not good enough to make the playoffs, and not bad enough to surround Pettersson with elite talent. Forever Purgatory.

  81. Wilde says:

    Lowetide: Geez for a small sample size that’s fucking alarming.

    With Persson down and Jones up, it’s the thing now too. It’s the thing that’s happening.

    Kraz:

    That is absolutely brutal. Did he have the same effect on Jones?
    I know its only Brandon Manning but I wonder when he gets healthy if they could send him down to the AHL and maybe he could be a decent partner for Bouchard

    Last year yes, but every D partner and every forward line was better with Jones and worse without him. I was already skeptical of Lowe but really shifted things for me was when Bear ascended to wherever he is now. Lowe was his main partner in a year with a wide and undeniable gap between him and Jones.

    Secondly, I think a simple swap of Persson and Bouchard would do the trick. It’d have to take a couple more poor performances for Woodcroft to make the switch, because after the first bad game in Iowa the recalibration was to run 7D to support Samorukov. If you moved back to 6D and made the aforementioned move, you get this:

    Lagesson – Bouchard
    Lowe – Persson
    Samorukov – Day

    I think that looks good.

  82. OilClog says:

    Nucks have now won less then half their games so far this season. Fancy that

  83. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Kraz:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I thought McDavid’s contract reset the market? If McDavid is making 12.5 million I would imagine it to bedamn hard to convince Draisaitl and his agent that he is worth pretty much half of McDavid at 6.5

    That’s a good point.

    My only issue is that McDavid is in his own stratosphere and really is only comparable to Crosby in our era.

    “I’m sorry Mike (Liut) was can compare Leon only to his peers.”

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Who was Draisaitl’s contract comparable at the time? How did Pastrnak get nearly $2M less?

    Contract looks great now that he’s skyrocketed, not like saving $1M-$1.5M wouldn’t help this cap strapped team.

    6 year term vs 8 year term is a material factor.

  85. Reja says:

    John Chambers: The Canucks have just four wins in their last 12. They don’t have the depth or the experience to compete for a playoff spot.

    They got a good player in Miller, but they’ll be gifting a lottery pick to Tampa.

    Not good enough to make the playoffs, and not bad enough to surround Pettersson with elite talent. Forever Purgatory.

    Looking forward to the back to backs Saturday and Sunday it’s hard to sweep a team especially divisional rivals. It should get physical and with Ferland still out the Canucks have no answer for Kassian and Khaira if he’s able to play.

  86. Kraz says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s a good point.

    My only issue is that McDavid is in his own stratosphere and really is only comparable to Crosby in our era.

    “I’m sorry Mike (Liut) was can compare Leon only to his peers.”

    Yes I agree about McDavid but once he signed, Draisaitl’s comparables (Mackinnon, Scheifle, Barkov etc) became severely underpaid. Then the conversation shifted to “If the best player in the world is worth 12.5 what is the #8 scorer in the league worth?”

    Plus when Draisaitl’s comparables signed the highest paid players were at 10.5 and they signed for roughly 6. So that difference probably played a role in how they came up with 8.5 for Draisaitl with the highest paid player now being at 12.5

  87. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers: The Canucks have just four wins in their last 12. They don’t have the depth or the experience to compete for a playoff spot.

    They got a good player in Miller, but they’ll be gifting a lottery pick to Tampa.

    Not good enough to make the playoffs, and not bad enough to surround Pettersson with elite talent. Forever Purgatory.

    This is nonsense.

    The pick is conditional and can be shunted to 2021,
    They also have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL including two players who’re scorching the NCAA.

    Their December schedule is ridiculously easy with only 3 road games.

    You might want to look a little deeper.

  88. Munny says:

    Damn, the Niners will have their plate full with the Ravens Thanksgiving weekend.

  89. Wilde says:

    Oops I messed up the goal counts copy+pasting the wrong column because they had similar differences:

    Player (plus/minus Player): GF – GA (GD) / / GF%

    Bouchard (plus Lowe): 1 – 4 (-3) / / 20.00%
    Bouchard (minus Lowe): 10 – 10 (+0) / / 50.00%
    Lowe (minus Bouchard): 5 – 8 (-3) / / 38.46%

  90. Justthestatsman says:

    Lowetide: For a long time, that remained my most popular post here at Lowetide.

    Jeez, I must have read it, but it’s escaping me at the moment. Any chance you have a link to the thread?

  91. geowal says:

    Very enjoyable thread today.

  92. Reja says:

    What’s the over-under Peters gets axed 15 games?

  93. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: Looking forward to the back to backs Saturday and Sunday it’s hard to sweep a team especially divisional rivals. It should get physical and with Ferland still out the Canucks have no answer for Kassian and Khaira if he’s able to play.

    Ferland rejoined the team today and is expected to start in Pittsburgh.

    Antoine Rousell is on a conditioning stint in Utica and is expected back in the lineup very soon.

  94. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Are you talking about the team who wasted a #5 OV pick on a kid with an addiction to MarioKart? It wasn’t wise to pass on Tkachuk, Keller, or Segachev now was it?

    Scorching the NCAA? So the Canucks have in their pipeline the second coming of Jimmy Vesey? Alrighty then.

    Canucks fans have sat through some garbage over fifty years, but their pipeline offers nothing but despair for their hopeless followers. Well look forward to hearing you exaggerate their potential though!

  95. Harpers Hair says:

    Dallas 10-0-1 in November.

    John Klingberg with 3 points in his second game back from injury.

  96. Ari says:

    Wilde: With Persson down and Jones up, it’s the thing now too. It’s the thing that’s happening.

    Last year yes, but every D partner and every forward line was better with Jones and worse without him. I was already skeptical of Lowe but really shifted things for me was when Bear ascended to wherever he is now. Lowe was his main partner in a year with a wide and undeniable gap between him and Jones.

    Secondly, I think a simple swap of Persson and Bouchard would do the trick. It’d have to take a couple more poor performances for Woodcroft to make the switch, because after the first bad game in Iowa the recalibration was to run 7D to support Samorukov. If you moved back to 6D and made the aforementioned move, you get this:

    Lagesson – Bouchard
    Lowe – Persson
    Samorukov – Day

    I think that looks good.

    Who would you say has more NHL potential? Lagesson or Persson?

    (I suppose OP can chime in too.)

  97. Munny says:

    Reja:
    What’s the over-under Peters gets axed 15 games?

    I only really see it if they want to take a run at Babcock.

    And they could still pull their heads out of their asses too.

  98. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers:
    Harpers Hair,

    Are you talking about the team who wasted a #5 OV pick on a kid with an addiction to MarioKart? It wasn’t wise to pass on Tkachuk, Keller, or Segachev now was it?

    Scorching the NCAA? So the Canucks have in their pipeline the second coming of Jimmy Vesey? Alrighty then.

    Canucks fans have sat through some garbage over fifty years, but their pipeline offers nothing but despair for their hopeless followers. Well look forward to hearing you exaggerate their potential though!

    Yeah, I gotta admit picking Jesse Puljujarvi one pick ahead of Juolevi looks like a stroke of genius.

    Or maybe not.

  99. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair: Yeah, I gotta admit picking Jesse Puljujarvi one pick ahead of Juolevi looks like a stroke of genius.

    Or maybe not.

    Puljujarvi is an exceptional talent. Unfortunate for him that Oilers management were totally inept and failed to develop him into a force in the NHL. Luckily JP will be a valuable trade chip as the division-leading Oilers bolster their team for a playoff run.

    Juolevi, however, was being zoomed by Tkachuk and Marner and won’t be any better than replacement level. His trade value is nil. Luckily Podkolzin, he of the 13 0-0-0 stat line will make up for it!

  100. SkatinginSand says:

    ashley,

    Agree completely that it is often difficult to see on TV and there are some elements of man to man, eg. dman stays on puck carrier when he swings behind the net, winger shadows dman when he walks the line, but those are easy modifications in a zone d and make sense because it allows tighter coverage of the “Rickibox”. (am I allowed to use that term?) The player covering low and high slot areas does not have to leave coverage, which would create a gap.

    What makes me almost certain it is primarily a zone d is:

    It is always the centre and dman in the corner.
    Left d and left winger cover left boards, right d and winger cover right boards. This happened 100% of the time that I followed it.
    Players do not continue to follow their man when the other team is cycling. To me, it does not appear to be called switches, but rather giving over coverage when the player enters an area covered by your teammate.

    The only time that I saw the swarm was twice against Dallas, I was so shocked that I had to back up the PVR, but there were four players surrounding the puck and the weakside winger was the only one even close to the slot, even then he was inside the near faceoff circle. I have not seen this at any other time.

    As an aside, it always frustrated me to no end when self proclaimed “experts” like DS would loudly bash an Oiler defenceman “for no apparent reason followed x player out to the blueline” not having a clue that MacLellan used a man to man defence.

    Thank you for your thoughtful, well considered reply. As much as I love this blog, I love discussing hockey strategy even more.

  101. godot10 says:

    Munny:
    Damn, the Niners will have their plate full with the Ravens next weekend.

    He’s making a list, checking it twice.

    Belichek. Check.
    SonOfBum. Check.

  102. Munny says:

    Pouzar:
    RE: Flames

    Now this…

    https://www.tsn.ca/calgary-flames-to-discuss-akim-aliu-s-tweets-with-bill-peters-1.1403772

    Wow. Maybe less than 15 games then. And obviously no Babs to the rescue either.

  103. Rich M says:

    flyfish1168: your

    Sorry for posting so late on this. Here’s the perspective on the Nashville players.

    Bonino has been full value for his contract this season (and a good part of last season as well). Can PK and you can also put him on the PP because he’ll go to the front of the net. But he’s really a 3C who is a little overpaid for that role. Was slightly over-paid when he signed his contract because he can’t play in the top 6 over a long period of time. But in bursts, he’ll do ok.

    Sissons can play 3 or 4C, can also play on the wing. He can PK is very responsible defensively and is another who’ll go to the front of the net on a PP. He’s not going anywhere with that contract until the expansion draft when he could possibly be taken by Seattle.

    The guy who Nashville would like to unload is Turris but no one is taking him at his contract (Poile has been trying to move him for a year). Laviolette has scratched him because he realizes (and the Woodmoney numbers verify) that he can’t play in the top 6. He’s at $6 million a year. Poile’s trade of Giraurd for Turris and subsequent contract signing will go down as his worst trade ever.

    Turris is ok in the bottom 6, but he’s massively over-paid for that role.

    With all the other big money contracts, Sisson’s is not going anywhere.

  104. Harpers Hair says:

    John Chambers: Puljujarvi is an exceptional talent. Unfortunate for him that Oilers management were totally inept and failed to develop him into a force in the NHL. Luckily JP will be a valuable trade chip as the division-leading Oilers bolster their team for a playoff run.

    Juolevi, however, was being zoomed by Tkachuk and Marner and won’t be any better than replacement level. His trade value is nil. Luckily Podkolzin, he of the 13 0-0-0 stat line will make up for it!

    Good luck with that.

    No one wants that head case or the deal would have been done by now.

    I don’t think a second round pick (at best) is going to bolster anyone’s playoff run.

  105. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Probably 3 of the 10 best long term contracts in the NHL today are McD Drai and Klefbom. We don’t know how Koski will end up but right now he’s outperforming his contract considerably.

    – We can only hope that Holland willl do the same with Nurse Bear Jones etc. Chiasson is the only resigning of an incumbent and it looks bad right now.

    – Who Holland signs from the current roster and for what term is very important. Let’s hope he’s more like old regime in this regard and that he learns from the Chiasson fail

    – He has done a good job with signing a bunch of bets to one year show me deals most of which won’t be back next year with no long term implications but signing roster players under control is a skill and art in itself. Will be interesting.

  106. Munny says:

    godot10: He’s making a list, checking it twice.

    Belichek.Check.
    SonOfBum. Check.

    I don’t think he’s going to find SonofMike so easy.

  107. SkatinginSand says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I’m not able to analyze as you both do, but I think that having more than one D system is a fantastic way to trump the other team.

    Dump and chase vs puck carrying teams, the best D is different. Not completely, but in details. Which is why good teams have a ‘balance of players’.

    Balance photo please.

    In the 06 playoffs, MacTavish actually admitted that the team used the trap against Detroit. He joked something to the effect that he was scared to admit it, because in Edmonton it could lead to a public flogging.

  108. Munny says:

    Babcock and Peters the new Keenan, Crawford?

    You know what they say about coaches that like to go to the whip…

    Shelf life of smartie in a fat kid’s lunch box.

  109. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Ferland rejoined the team today and is expected to start in Pittsburgh.

    Antoine Rousell is on a conditioning stint in Utica and is expected back in the lineup very soon.

    Without those two in the line-up they really don’t have a shit disturber or a answer if a team decides to get physical. Ferland’s adrenaline should be pumping getting back into action, the back to backs between divisional rivals always gets chippy. It’ll be interesting to see if Ferland dances with Kassian or Nurse.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Looking forward to the back to backs Saturday and Sunday it’s hard to sweep a team especially divisional rivals. It should get physical and with Ferland still out the Canucks have no answer for Kassian and Khaira if he’s able to play.

    Ferland may be back this Friday.

  111. Wilde says:

    [ Player (plus/minus Player): CF – CA (CD) / / CF% ]

    Bouchard (plus Lagesson): 71 – 47 (+24) / / 60.17%

    Bouchard (minus Lagesson): 257 – 214 (+43) / / 54.56%

    Lagesson (minus Bouchard): 128 – 117 (+11) / / 52.24%

    [ Player (plus/minus Player): GF – GA (GD) / / GF% ]

    Bouchard ( plus Lagesson): 4 – 3 (+1) / / 57.14%

    Bouchard (minus Lagesson): 7 – 11 (-4) / / 38.89%

    Lagesson (minus Bouchard): 1 – 2 (-1) / / 33.33%

  112. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Have you donated your $50 to this site yet? By my calculation it’s impossible for the Wild to hit 60 home playoff dates by summer 2022 …

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: This is nonsense.

    The pick is conditional and can be shunted to 2021,
    They also have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL including two players who’re scorching the NCAA.

    Their December schedule is ridiculously easy with only 3 road games.

    You might want to look a little deeper.

    With two of the top five prospects now full time NHLers, that prospect system, while still good, is no longer top 5 and likely not top 10.

    Those two players are on the NHL team and contributing to the NHL team – they are not prospects that are going to be added to the current team at a later day – although they will improve.

  114. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: With two of the top five prospects now full time NHLers, that prospect system, while still good, is no longer top 5 and likely not top 10.

    Those two players are on the NHL team and contributing to the NHL team – they are not prospects that are going to be added to the current team at a later day – although they will improve.

    You keep trying to impose YOUR notion of what a prospect is on everyone else because you think it benefits your pro-Oiler narrative.

    Corey Pronman and every credible prospect evaluator disagrees with you.

    Give it a rest.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

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    Reja: Without those two in the line-up they really don’t have a shit disturber or a answer if a team decides to get physical. Ferland’s adrenaline should be pumping getting back into action, the back to backs between divisional rivalsalways gets chippy. It’ll be interesting to see if Ferland dances with Kassian or Nurse.

    Coming of another concussion, I think the Ferland will be smarter than that.

    The questions is how effective he will be – there were large question marks about this coming off his previous injuries and the answers weren’t trending favorably for the canucks prior to yet another significant injury.

  116. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: You keep trying to impose YOUR notion of what a prospect is on everyone else because you think it benefits your pro-Oiler narrative.

    Corey Pronman and every credible prospect evaluator disagrees with you.

    Give it a rest.

    A pro Oiler narrative is germaine. This being an Oiler blog after all. No?

    You are becoming boring.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    HarpersHair: You keep trying to impose YOUR notion of what a prospect is on everyone else because you think it benefits your pro-Oiler narrative.

    Corey Pronman and every credible prospect evaluator disagrees with you.

    Give it a rest.

    Firstly, after the Canucks next game, Quinn Hughes no longer qualifies as a prospect as per Pronman’s crieria.

    Fine, include him as a prospect now but you can’t on the weekend by your own. I would think you can admit that if a team’s #1 prospect is removed, the team ranking likely decreases, no?

    That is neither here nor there, if you are being honest in the discussion how can you include a player that is on the team and helping the team (and use him to evaluate the current team) and then include him in the category of a future addition.

    It would be like Oilers fans talking about Ethan Bear as a future addition to the team – it makes no sense.

  118. Ice Sage says:

    Harpers Hair: This is nonsense.

    The pick is conditional and can be shunted to 2021,
    They also have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL including two players who’re scorching the NCAA.

    Their December schedule is ridiculously easy with only 3 road games.

    You might want to look a little deeper.

    Hook line and dashing silver sinker!
    I hear Dallas is doing good – so good they beat down a division rival for the Oilers… yay, go Stars!

  119. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: You keep trying to impose YOUR notion of what a prospect is on everyone else because you think it benefits your pro-Oiler narrative.

    Corey Pronman and every credible prospect evaluator disagrees with you.

    Give it a rest.

    Seems like the pot calling the kettle black. You like to dish it out but seems you don’t like it when it gets handed back. That is a typical bullies mentality. Karma??

  120. Cassandra says:

    Akim Aliu is no stranger to controversy. Here is an interesting story from the back pages

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/akim-aliu-hockey-hazing-big-read/

  121. Cassandra says:

    Man, I had forgotten the details of that story. Old school hockey culture is degenerate. I bet you Reja loves it.

  122. hunter1909 says:

    Cassandra: Old school hockey culture is degenerate.

    Old school hockey culture is a reflection of the society that spawned it, you dumbass.

    Yeah real degenerate how young people in their 20’s would buy their first homes, and start making children. Like they did back on those days you call “degenerate”.

  123. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: You keep trying to impose YOUR notion of what a prospect is on everyone else because you think it benefits your pro-Oiler narrative.

    Corey Pronman and every credible prospect evaluator disagrees with you.

    Give it a rest.

    I don’t want to admit this but you’re starting to grow on me.

  124. hunter1909 says:

    Ice Sage: I hear Dallas is doing good – so good they beat down a division rival for the Oilers… yay, go Stars!

    Ha ha I was cheering for Anaheim, since the NYI might be Oilers Finals partner.

  125. hunter1909 says:

    pts2pndr: Seems like the pot calling the kettle black. You like to dish it out but seems you don’t like it when it gets handed back. That is a typical bullies mentality. Karma??

    Relax. Dude’s just pushing people’s buttons. It’s nothing personal.

  126. Reja says:

    Cassandra:
    Man, I had forgotten the details of that story.Old school hockey culture is degenerate.I bet you Reja loves it.

    You don’t say I watched the Broad Street Bullies documentary today that and the Red Army Documentary are two of my Favourites.

  127. Wilde says:

    Was doing the last WOWY for the night and ran into something so unbelievable that I now have to stay up late to double-triple-quadruple check.

  128. Wilde says:

    hunter1909:
    Yeah real degenerate how young people in their 20’s would buy their first homes, and start making children.

    I wonder what happened to that

  129. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde: I wonder what happened to that

    For a start, women were suddenly “liberated” around 1971 and house prices doubled quickly to ensure that no longer was a single income deemed enough to purchase a single dwelling(home).

    Fast forward to 2019 and the banks and NWO have stolen everything.

  130. Wilde says:

    hunter1909,

    How’d they get all the money when we did all the work?

  131. Admiral Ackbar says:

    Harpers Hair: This is nonsense.

    The pick is conditional and can be shunted to 2021,
    They also have one of the best prospect pools in the NHL including two players who’re scorching the NCAA.

    Their December schedule is ridiculously easy with only 3 road games.

    You might want to look a little deeper.

    You foolish troll, you showed your partisanship! Big mistake.

    Also, you’re starting to sound like Oiler fans of the past 10 years – “scorching the NCAA”. 😂😂🤣

    Enjoy your magic kookaid beans. I see you’ve been drinking a lot of it. What’s the basic premise of finance? A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. But please, don’t let me stop you from making drunken predictions.

    I once heard a Vancouver bartender lay some smack down on an arrogant Nuck fan. He said, “Mark my words, the oilers will win another Stanley cup before the Canucks get their first.” That was 2012. Seems to me that he was talking to you.

  132. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde:
    hunter1909,

    How’d they get all the money when we did all the work?

    You aren’t exactly making sense.

    Try again. You aren’t too far off.

  133. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Lowetide: Geez what if you lost your grip and took out your leg?

    This really made me laugh.

    That’s why I always use two hands … you have to respect the tool when you use it.

  134. Wilde says:

    hunter1909:

    You aren’t exactly making sense.
    Try again. You aren’t too far off.

    Why did productivity track with income until sometime during the 70’s they got divorced?

  135. GMB3 says:

    Martin Necas with a 2.56 P/60 at 5v5. He’s going to be good. Between Necas, Aho, and Svechnikov, the Hurricanes have some serious young talent at forward and they had another excellent draft this year.

    Notable that J. Staal is struggling. .56 p/60. Rough start

  136. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde: Why did productivity track with income until sometime during the 70’s they got divorced?

    You’re pissing into the wind.

  137. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde,

    Good luck with your quest!

  138. Munny says:

    Wilde: Why did productivity track with income until sometime during the 70’s they got divorced?

    Because money got a divorce from reality.

  139. Wilde says:

    Munny: Because money got a divorce from reality.

    Munny: Because money got a divorce from reality.

    This could mean any number of things but I’ll deduce from prior conversations that you’re talking about monetary policy on the federal level – and it’s like yeah, but in service of whom? Tactics are value-neutral. What’s the outcome?

    It’s money. Shit’s made up. Even old-school monetarists did some stuff that sounds batshit to us.

    The obscenity of corporate loans with zero interest rates is just a single arrow in the same grotesquely overflowing quiver as government subsidies for highly-profitable industries with venomous externalities and foreign aid to apartheid states and monarchies and military juntas. Or, say, the infuriating ubiquity of private equity barbarism and scam-philanthropy.

    Picking a cog in the vast machine of the globalised financialized economy always seems strange to me. The ruling class played for keeps, as always, in the ’70s and it’s been straight W’s for 40-odd years since then in pretty much every aspect of the game. Only now are democratic forces (or what will become them) beginning to stir at a mass level.

  140. Cassandra says:

    Well that turned fast. Count me as not surprised it is because of a rabid reaction from Hunter who on a good day is a bit of an old dog, but every once in a while shows his true colours.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hopefully the boys get a solid day of rest yesterday and are ready for a solid skate today with an update on the likes of Khaira and Benning.

    Going to be a tough game tomorrow night against the Avs without Nuge.

  142. frjohnk says:

    hunter1909: You’re pissing into the wind.

    Wilde is a pisscutter.

    Wind has no effect.

  143. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Good luck with that.

    No one wants that head case or the deal would have been done by now.

    I don’t think a second round pick (at best) is going to bolster anyone’s playoff run.

    You’re forgetting who the Oilers GM is: the guy who traded Lucic + a conditional 3rd for the 15th best goal scorer in the past decade.

  144. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: You’re forgetting who the Oilers GM is: the guy who traded Lucic + a conditional 3rd for the 15th best goal scorer in the past decade.

    Well he’d best get busy…only 4 days to make that trade.

  145. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: For a start, women were suddenly “liberated” around 1971 and house prices doubled quickly to ensure that no longer was a single income deemed enough to purchase a single dwelling(home).

    Fast forward to 2019 and the banks and NWO have stolen everything.

    The invention of the remote garage door opener played a huge role in this.
    I’ll explain how some day.

  146. pts2pndr says:

    hunter1909: Relax. Dude’s just pushing people’s buttons. It’s nothing personal.

    Not really, he is retaliating when treated in kind. If you are going to dish it out you should be man enough to take it. This is especially true when in the other guys yard!

  147. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Well he’d best get busy…only 4 days to make that trade.

    Nah, TDL will work too. JP can be traded any time, he just can’t play in the NHL this year. It would be the same as trading any prospect playing in NCAA or Europe.

  148. godot10 says:

    Wilde: Why did productivity track with income until sometime during the 70’s they got divorced?

    The final tenuous link to sound money was lost when Nixon and the United States defaulted on their debt, by closing the gold window for countries redeeming US dollars.

    Proximity to central bank ponzi money then created the parasitical financialization economy and facilitated the return to feudalism.

  149. godot10 says:

    Munny: Because money got a divorce from reality.

    +100

  150. hunter1909 says:

    Wilde: Only now are democratic forces (or what will become them) beginning to stir at a mass level.

    The French tried the same idea in the 18th century.

  151. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: The final tenuous link to sound money was lost when Nixon and the United States defaulted on their debt, by closing the gold window for countries redeeming US dollars.

    Proximity to central bank ponzi money then created the parasitical financialization economy and facilitated the return to feudalism.

    Yikes.

  152. Munny says:

    Wilde:
    This could mean any number of things but I’ll deduce from prior conversations that you’re talking about monetary policy on the federal level – and it’s like yeah, but in service of whom? Tactics are value-neutral. What’s the outcome?

    It’s money. Shit’s made up. Even old-school monetarists did some stuff that sounds batshit to us.

    The obscenity of corporate loans with zero interest rates is just a single arrow in the same grotesquely overflowing quiver as government subsidies for highly-profitable industries with venomous externalities and foreign aid to apartheid states and monarchies and military juntas. Or, say, the infuriating ubiquity of private equity barbarism and scam-philanthropy.

    Picking a cog in the vast machine of the globalised financialized economy always seems strange to me. The ruling class played for keeps, as always, in the ’70s and it’s been straight W’s for 40-odd years since then in pretty much every aspect of the game. Only now are democratic forces (or what will become them) beginning to stir at a mass level.

    Ahh, an idealist. You know this sad state of affairs you so decry came about because of Central Planning, right? …But next time will be better, lol.

    No corporations are getting zero interest rate loans on this side of the Atlantic. But they’re damn close in the socialist paradise of Northern Europe (and Japan).

    And you know that ZIRP came into being as a European Central Bank policy to save the Governments from a sovereign debt crisis, right?

    So yes, I agree, let the Central Planners fix the price of money at a higher level—lol, if they can (everyone knows they’ve lost control and cannot any longer).

    Let’s see how long our profligate Governments survive with higher interest rates.

  153. Munny says:

    hunter1909: The French tried the same idea in the 18th century.

    We are in the midst of an Assignat Economy as we speak.

    Does anyone remember their History? Does anyone remember what Napoleon was forced to do to pull France away from bankruptcy and hyper-inflation?

  154. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Pisscutter was a term my Dad and others in his family used to denote someone who was very, very good at what they did and tough to compete against.

    One day LT used that term here and it was listening to my Dad.Awesome.

    Sedins, Hossa, Datsyuk, Crosby…etc. They’re piss-cutters.

    They’ll beat you in every facet of the game.

    This makes sense to me. Pisscutter is the guy who never takes a break (even to pee) and is relentless in his pursuit to getting the job done.

    Woodguy v2.0: Piss-cutters were also obstacles to be over come.

    If you were dismantling something and one of the bolts were stripped, then that bolt was a “piss-cutter”

    Something that got in your way and was a pain in the ass to deal with.

    Yes, also known as a “tough nut”.

  155. v4ance says:

    Halfwise:
    If I was a pisscutter I would be like that laser beam in Goldfinger cutting sheet metal, only it would be me taking a leak.

    That’s what “pisscutter” always makes me think of.

    Lowetide: Geez what if you lost your grip and took out your leg?

    I would like to point out that his screen name is “Halfwise”. If he was “Allwise” he’d still have both legs

  156. Bank Shot says:

    FYI. For all the Canadians who go to Cuba this year, get out of the resort and go to Trinidad.

    Nice town.

    Its great to see the Oilers continue to get points. This wonky roster might be legit. 🙂

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