2019-20 Game 35: Maple Leafs at Oilers

by Lowetide

I wish I could drive you to the place where HNIC broadcast into my grandparents living room in the 1960s. It was in Maple Ridge, past Haney, and you turned left at Thornhill School. At the top of the hill, right turn and then one mile plus a little. You’d turn right into the driveway, the sawmill to the left (my bike was probably in the driveway), and pull to a stop right at the front door. There was an old pew you could sit on just outside that door, and if you sat down in that pew and looked straight ahead, you’d get a good view of Tom (Grandpa’s horse) from the back end. I loved that horse, used to give him too many apples (one of several things I did that were not in keeping with how things were supposed to go). Apple trees beyond Tom and if you ran past those you could see our house and the big sawdust bins that hung out behind the mill. Back at Grandpa’s, Grandma would be baking bread, over at our house Mom was having a cigarette and watching Edge of Night.

That was weekdays. Saturday night was the hockey game and that meant the Maple Leafs. Dave Keon’s crew cut, big Frank Mahovlich, Johnny Bower. It was a rare Saturday you’d see a Duane Rupp or a Gary Smith, and the menfolk would speak with great disdain about the breakdown in society if anyone on the ice had long hair. No sir. The Maple Leafs were supposed to have short hair, give modest answers during the intermissions and win the Stanley Cup.

The whole world has changed since those days, the NHL has expanded from six teams to 32. I remember when the first expansion came all the adults saying there were too many players and they couldn’t keep track of all the names. That was at 12 teams.

The modern Maple Leafs, 1967 through today, haven’t had the success of the original six group, but the current team is one of the better units I’ve seen. Inconsistent, not fabulous defending and the RH side of the blue needs some help. However, the forwards are a collection of searing talent, who can blow even good teams out of the water just for fun. Tonight’s game against Edmonton, on Tabernac Saturday, is fraught with danger for the home side. It’s Saturday night, Oilers on the early game against the center of the universe. The possibilities are endless, the outcome unknown. Gird your loins! Fill the beer fridge! Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: 10 subscriber questions for Oilers rookie defenceman Ethan Bear
  • New Lowetide: Five loud noises Ken Holland could make to help the Oilers immediately
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers recall Caleb Jones, one of their most plausible trade chips
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘These games are not coming back’: Oilers lament frustrating week at home
  • Jonathan Willis: Dave Tippett rewarded for his bets on the resilience of Mikko Koskinen, Oilers
  • Lowetide: How many value contracts do the Oilers have and are any more on the way?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland responds to allegations that Mike Babcock mistreated players in Detroit
  • Jonathan Willis: How will Hart voters choose between Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How the Oilers turned team defence from a weakness into a strength
  • Lowetide: Eight assets the Oilers could use to acquire Taylor Hall
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 35 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 15-18-2, 32 points; goal differential -15
  • Oilers in 2016: 18-12-5, 41 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in 2017: 16-17-2, 34 points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in 2018: 18-14-3, 39 points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in 2019: 18-12-4, 40 points; goal differential +1

Two inconsistent teams get together at Rogers tonight, and an Oilers loss will mean the 2016-17 club edges just ahead for the season. That’s a trend that is likely to continue, but Oilers fans are hoping the town team win grab two points this evening.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-1-0, 12 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in December 2016: 3-1-3, nine points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 4-3-0, eight points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in December 2018: 5-1-1, 11 points; goal differential +6
  • Oilers in December 2019: 2-3-1, five points; goal differential -6

This year’s Oilers are out of sync with the McDavid Oilers in all possible ways. The trend isn’t good and the schedule suggests the final December 2019 tally will be a major talking point at season’s end.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 1-2-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-3-1, 5 points in 6 games

I predicted 14 points in 14 games, that’s a very reasonable number but the first leg of the trip has been poor. Donner party poor. We’ll know far more after the game against the Canadiens a week from today. This next seven days is going to be a bother.

OILERS 2019-20

There are some strong seasons being constructed on this list. McDavid, Draisaitl, Kassian, Neal, Nurse, the rookie Ethan Bear. Mikko Koskinen has delivered a solid year, last two outings have hurt his save percentage but the man is 11-4-2 in the win column.

CONDORS 2019-20

Condors lost last night, Tyler Benson with a couple of goals (Wilde had him playing with Cooper Marody and that duo worked great last year). Shane Starrett returned but the goals against keeps on coming. I think this bunch misses Ethan Bear and Caleb Jones. Bakersfield plays Grand Rapids again tonight.

TAYLOR HALL?

Went to bed last night not quite sure where Taylor Hall was heading. Sounds like Arizona and St. Louis are in it, I heard NY Islanders too at some point. Colorado was the favourite yesterday afternoon, maybe they come over the top with a haymaker. I give Edmonton a reasonable chance to land Hall, although a team like the Avalanche could offer more. If he lands in Edmonton, Jonathan Willis, Daniel Nugent-Bowman and yours truly will all have articles on it as the hours roll by. I have a couple of Hall related items in the lineup at the top of the page.

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Clarkenstein

We’re back to holding our breath on the first shot of the game on the Oil net. Recent results say it should be about a 7-6 result. Thus likely 2-1 decided in OT on a piss cutter goal by 29 from 97. All will be well in Oil Country. For a day.

Dicky94

I would imagine Daryl Katz is pushing hard for a Hall reunion. He needs to get on a plane soon to make game time.

Woodguy v2.0

Remember when a few posters here figured that there wouldn’t be much interest in Hall as a rental?

Remember when some (mostly the same) posters here said EDM couldn’t be a player for a Hall trade this year because of cap space but the two most interested team, STL and ARI have even less space than EDM. (note: they all have trade-able assets to balance the cap and make a deal work, same as EDM)

Ahh, memories.

OriginalPouzar

Should be a fun game tonight.

Here is hoping that the team limits the avoidable mistakes and manage the game better.

Mikko needs to stop the one’s he should and maybe even a couple he shouldn’t.

I’ll be at my cousin-in-laws for a holiday thing but will be watching.

I miss Matty Benning.

Woodguy v2.0

Dicky94:
I would imagine Daryl Katz is pushing hard for a Hall reunion. He needs to get on a plane soon to make game time.

Forget where I read it, but EDM is out due to wanting the pick to be a 2nd if they don’t make playoffs.

Other teams are offering unconditional 1sts and Holland (correctly) won’t do that.

Woodguy v2.0

@AndrewBerkshire
Taylor Hall has been dealt….

A shit hand with how bad every team he’s been on his entire career has been.

Ha!

Hall’s team’s 5v5 Goal Share with Hall off the ice:
Season GF% Hall off
10/11 44.0
11/12 42.9
12/13 43.3
13/14 39.0
14/15 36.3
15/16 39.4
16/17 41.3
17/18 44.9—>This team made the playoffs
18/19 40.7
19/20 40.7

Related:

McDavid’s teams 5v5 goal shares when
Season GF% McDavid off
15/16 40.0
16/17 48.9—->this team made the playoffs
17/18 41.6
18/19 40.7
19/20 36.8

So this year’s “McDavid Off 5v5 Oilers” are pretty much on par with the 14/15 “Hall Off 5v5 Oilers.”

Does this mean EDM will win Lafreniere in the draft lottery?

Its so goddamn sad.

Also,

The worst part of the 15/16 was this:
EDM 5v5 GF%
Hall On 53.2%
McDavid On 50.0%
Both Off 33.9%

How the fuck do you look at that and decide “One of these has to go”

All they had to do was “don’t hire bad players” and they would have been a force in the league. Couldn’t have even managed that.

Fuck.

I’ll never get over it.

OriginalPouzar

Apparently there were 11 scouts watching the Condors game last night……

As per Ryan Holt.

Wilde

The whole Benson-Marody-Currie + Gambardella-Malone-Yamamoto top six was reunited last night and it went quite well. The first period was likely the best they’ve played all year, they should’ve been the ones drawing penalties (especially Yamamoto) but, oh well.

Woodcroft’s been trying to do a very particular dance because of the ever-shifted D corps personnel and the deep struggle Samorukov’s been in all year. That’s been the background of the 13/7 setups I’ve been posting about. I’m drifting towards the opinion that you just let him struggle with 3tds. Last night that’s what happened, Lowe-Persson got leaned on a ton (Persson is ridiculous) and it ended up as a one-two-three pairing deployment with Lagesson taking some extra minutes to accompany either Samorukov or Day-

Defenseman CT (CF+CA), high to low:

Lowe – 41
Persson – 38
Lagesson – 28
Day – 21
Bouchard – 19
Samorukov – 18

Wilde

Woodguy v2.0:
I’ll never get over it.

me neither tbh

Woodguy v2.0

WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

Cental
COL 13
STL 11
WPG 8

Pacific
ARI 8
EDM 6
CGY 6

Wildcard
DAL 7
VAN 4

Out of playoffs
VEGREVILLE 4
NSH 3
MIN 3
SJS -2
CHI -2
ANA -2
LAK -5

The Flying Holupsis win in OT yesterday making everything a bit tighter.

Meaningful games tonight:
TOR at EDM (TOR -135) – I think there’s value in one unit on EDM +115. If it wasn’t for the odd man rushes I liked their game vs MIN and TOR doesn’t defend well. No Kadri to piss off McDavid as well.

CAR at CGY (CAR -115) – CGY has won 7 (!) in a row, they won’t win the rest of their games. Their first loss with Ward behind the bench might start with this one. No value in the bets imo

DAL at NSH (NSH -145) – NSH hasn’t gotten much goaltending this year. DAL lost in OT last night in DAL so might not be too fresh. No value here either. Maybe on the over 5.5 at +115 but I’m terrible at totals bets on single games

PHI at MIN (MIN-125) – I didn’t think MIN was all that good vs EDM so PHI paying +105 is worth a unit.

NJD at ARI (ARI -210) – Hall being held out until he’s traded. ARI should romp so put half a unit on NJD at +175 because that’s how these things work

VAN at SJS (SJS -125) – I’d like to see SJS win here. Not sure there is value with VAN +105. SJS still hasn’t gotten a save and VAN can score so maybe a unit on VAN is ok

Harpers Hair

Woodguy v2.0:
@AndrewBerkshire
Taylor Hall has been dealt….


A shit hand with how bad every team he’s been on his entire career has been.

Ha!

Hall’s team’s 5v5 Goal Share with Hall off the ice:
SeasonGF% Hall off
10/1144.0
11/1242.9
12/1343.3
13/1439.0
14/1536.3
15/1639.4
16/1741.3
17/1844.9—>This team made the playoffs
18/1940.7
19/2040.7

Related:

McDavid’s teams 5v5 goal shares when
SeasonGF% McDavid off
15/1640.0
16/1748.9—->this team made the playoffs
17/1841.6
18/1940.7
19/2036.8

So this year’s “McDavid Off 5v5 Oilers” are pretty much on par with the 14/15 “Hall Off 5v5 Oilers.”

Does this mean EDM will win Lafreniere in the draft lottery?

Its so goddamn sad.

Also,

The worst part of the 15/16 was this:
EDM 5v5 GF%
Hall On 53.2%
McDavid On 50.0%
Both Off 33.9%

How the fuck do you look at that and decide “One of these has to go”

All they had to do was “don’t hire bad players” and they would have been a force in the league.Couldn’t have even managed that.

Fuck.

I’ll never get over it.

If all Pete had done was nothing but draft from Mackenzies list, they would be among the giants.

Ryan

It will be interesting to see what the return is for Hall.

By some accounts, the price is dropping.

Saturday Door crasher! Slightly used Taylor Hall. One left only in stock. Get it before it’s gone! Palmieri also available.

*offer valid only while items available

Darth Tu

OriginalPouzar,

Lagesson for Hall straight up. Book it.

Wilde

Retro-tracking Bakersfield Condors v. Ontario Reign; March 16th, 2019; deployment:

Benson – Marody – Day
Christoffer – Esposito – Hebig
Polei – Vesel – Gust
Stukel – Callahan – Vesey

Lagesson – Jones
Manning – Bear
Lowe – Stanton

Retro-tracking Bakersfield Condors v. Ontario Reign; March 16th, 2019; after Period One; 5-on-5

20CF – 10CA
14FF – 7FA
3GF – 0GA

Top F: Stukel (2.11 Game Score)
2 shot attempts / 0 primary shot assist
28.57 primary shot contribution %
2 goals / 0 primary assists
7CF-3CA / 2GF-0GA

Top D: Bear (1.11Game Score)
1 shot attempts / 1 primary shot assist
0 goals / 1 assist
8CF-8CA / 2GF-0GA

jtblack

not rocket science. Hingsight tells us 2 simple things:

1) KEEP HALL
2) DRAFT #16 & #33

That right there has the Oilers with Skill for the long haul. We already knew Hall was a driver. A blind Monkey should have been able to grab an impact player at #16 in 2015. #33 was more of a crap shoot, but the odds of adding an NHL player were over 50%.

Hall trade pissed me off, but I did understand the Logic. My hill to die on is the Reinhart Trade. There was no logic to it. And surprisingly, it blew up in Pete’s face.

THIS IS US

Wilde

OriginalPouzar:
Apparently there were 11 scouts watching the Condors game last night……

As per Ryan Holt.

Set Marody free!!

jtblack

I think Edmonton will win tonight ….

This team still has holes, but we knew that in September. This team seems to have more resolve than last years squad. Even when they get behind, they do try and fight back at least.

BIG WIN 5-3 Oilers.!!!

Dicky94

jtblack,

I love reminiscing all of Chia’s mistakes. Only way to fix this is a day of ice fishing with the Captain!

who

OriginalPouzar:
Should be a fun game tonight.

Here is hoping that the team limits the avoidable mistakes and manage the game better.

Mikko needs to stop the one’s he should and maybe even a couple he shouldn’t.

I’ll be at my cousin-in-laws for a holiday thing but will be watching.

I miss Matty Benning.

Lots of people yearning for Matt Benning here lately. They’re even calling for Joel Perrson for christ’s sake.
Benning is a proven NHL dman, but if Jones continues to play like he did last night, I’m not sure Benning cracks the top 6. He certainly doesn’t turn the losing streak around by himself.

Kraz

jtblack,

To me the killer was not being able to pull off the Douggie Hamilton trade. Pull that off and they most likely still have Hall and their #1 right D for years.

leeinvan

Please explain how Nurse is having a strong season, he makes 1 or 2 big mistakes every game, the bar has to be better than that.

Sierra

Woodguy v2.0:

So this year’s “McDavid Off 5v5 Oilers” are pretty much on par with the 14/15 “Hall Off 5v5 Oilers.”

Does this mean EDM will win Lafreniere in the draft lottery?

Its so goddamn sad.

Also,

The worst part of the 15/16 was this:
EDM 5v5 GF%
Hall On 53.2%
McDavid On 50.0%
Both Off 33.9%

How the fuck do you look at that and decide “One of these has to go”

All they had to do was “don’t hire bad players” and they would have been a force in the league.Couldn’t have even managed that.

Fuck.

I’ll never get over it.

QFT

Bastards.

Is there any hope?

jtblack

“Hall’s team’s 5v5 Goal Share with Hall off the ice:
Season GF% Hall off
10/11 44.0
11/12 42.9
12/13 43.3
13/14 39.0
14/15 36.3
15/16 39.4
16/17 41.3
17/18 44.9—>This team made the playoffs
18/19 40.7
19/20 40.7

Related:

McDavid’s teams 5v5 goal shares when
Season GF% McDavid off
15/16 40.0
16/17 48.9—->this team made the playoffs
17/18 41.6
18/19 40.7
19/20 36.8”

This is depressing that no GM was able to put some decent NHL players on the roster for these two

Woodguy v2.0

Harpers Hair: If all Pete had done was nothing but draft from Mackenzies list, they would be among the giants.

Truth

Sierra

jtblack:
not rocket science.Hingsight tells us 2 simple things:

1) KEEP HALL
2) DRAFT #16 & #33

Hall trade pissed me off, but I did understand the Logic.My hill to die on is the Reinhart Trade.There was no logic to it.And surprisingly, it blew up in Pete’s face.

My opinion as well. That Reinhart trade is one of the worst I’ve seen. Just draft #16 & 33, then either keep those players or trade the player(s) to upgrade the D. Instead they got nothing and

THIS IS US.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

leeinvan:
Please explain how Nurse is having a strong season, he makes 1 or 2 big mistakes every game, the bar has to be better than that.

Most EV strength points by Dmen on our team (not a high bar), has generally played tougher competition than any Oilers Dman (as per his Mins VS Elites from PuckIQ), a positive relative goal share at 5-on-5 and has done this with a rookie partner- albeit, a pretty damn good rookie partner. It’s not a high bar, but he has been our best Dman since 2017-18, in my opinion.

Dmen have flaws and are going to make mistakes. One shouldn’t let their opinion of the player be swayed too much by the individual negative viewings when the whole picture of the player tells another story.

JimmyV1965

leeinvan:
Please explain how Nurse is having a strong season, he makes 1 or 2 big mistakes every game, the bar has to be better than that.

Drew Doughty makes mistakes every game. Defence is hard. If Nurse was standing in front of our goalie and the puck deflected off his skate into the net, fans would be giving him hell for standing in the wrong spot.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: If all Pete had done was nothing but draft from Mackenzies list, they would be among the giants.

It reminds me of the Canucks vs the potato experiment
I get livid when we bring up the 16th + 2nd for Reinhart and people’s defense was they weren’t going to draft Barzal anyway
That made the situation twice as bad

leadfarmer

Curious what happened that Hall didn’t get traded last night
His bags were outside the locker room
Guessing it was someone exercising their NTC

--hudson--

Kraz:
jtblack,

To me the killer was not being able to pull off the Douggie Hamilton trade. Pull that off and they most likely still have Hall and their #1 right D for years.

Same thought here.

But if it’s true that 4 men in hockey ops all hated him it would’ve been something else.

--hudson--

JimmyV1965: Drew Doughty makes mistakes every game. Defence is hard. If Nurse was standing in front of our goalie and the puck deflected off his skate into the net, fans would be giving him hell for standing in the wrong spot.

This is a great point. When Hemsky scored the series winner against Detroit, the pass went through Lidstrom.

The notion of there being mistake free players should die. For every player that creates a change in possession or a scoring chance, there’s player losing possession or giving up a scoring chance. Zero sum game.

Alpine

I’m somewhat okay with passing on Hall if the price is dear and we can’t make it work with the cap. But we have to get a forward in soon.

Reja

Harpers Hair: If all Pete had done was nothing but draft from Mackenzies list, they would be among the giants.

June 6th 1986 Canucks trade Cam Neely and 1st round pick which ended up being 3rd overall pick Glenn Wesley to the Bruins for Barry Pederson. Oh what might have been.

greenshifter

Woodguy v2.0,

CGY -115 at home on a 7 game streak. I’m going to bet the streak.

ARZ -1.5 pucks at +115. Risky because they don’t score a lot but NJ isn’t scoring at all.

Like the VAN pick, go with the hot goalie in this one.

hunter1909

Fresh from a long hard day spent at Death March™ what a hilarious surprise to see the struggling Oilers are playing the Toronto Maple Leafs!

leadfarmer

greenshifter,

Nothing like your best player being sat for a trade to crush the teams spirit and they played last night

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0:
@AndrewBerkshire
Taylor Hall has been dealt….


A shit hand with how bad every team he’s been on his entire career has been.

Ha!

Hall’s team’s 5v5 Goal Share with Hall off the ice:
SeasonGF% Hall off
10/1144.0
11/1242.9
12/1343.3
13/1439.0
14/1536.3
15/1639.4
16/1741.3
17/1844.9—>This team made the playoffs
18/1940.7
19/2040.7

Related:

McDavid’s teams 5v5 goal shares when
SeasonGF% McDavid off
15/1640.0
16/1748.9—->this team made the playoffs
17/1841.6
18/1940.7
19/2036.8

So this year’s “McDavid Off 5v5 Oilers” are pretty much on par with the 14/15 “Hall Off 5v5 Oilers.”

Does this mean EDM will win Lafreniere in the draft lottery?

Its so goddamn sad.

Also,

The worst part of the 15/16 was this:
EDM 5v5 GF%
Hall On 53.2%
McDavid On 50.0%
Both Off 33.9%

How the fuck do you look at that and decide “One of these has to go”

All they had to do was “don’t hire bad players” and they would have been a force in the league.Couldn’t have even managed that.

Fuck.

I’ll never get over it.

Me either.

Get a proper stats dept Oilers please.

greenshifter

leadfarmer,

Ya for sure

Woodguy v2.0

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Most EV strength points by Dmen on our team (not a high bar), has generally played tougher competition than any Oilers Dman (as per his Mins VS Elites from PuckIQ), a positive relative goal share at 5-on-5 and has done this with a rookie partner- albeit, a pretty damn good rookie partner. It’s not a high bar, but he has been our best Dman since 2017-18, in my opinion.

Dmen have flaws and are going to make mistakes. One shouldn’t let their opinion of the player be swayed too much by the individual negative viewings when the whole picture of the player tells another story.

I agree that Nurse has been one of the best, in not the best Oiler Dman this year.

That said, his 5v5 TOI is heavily skewed towards playing with McDavid.

He has almost twice as much time with McDavid than Klefbom has and that will substantially change a player’s results.

Check this out: (All data 5v5)

TOI with McDavid
Nurse 319min
Klefbom 176min

GF% with McDavid
Nurse 58.5%
Klefbom 52.6%

GF% without McDavid
Nurse 32.1%
Klefbom 35.1%

I would argue that Klefbom has also had much weaker partners than Nurse this year.

As for 5v5 points:

With McDavid
Nurse 1.67/60
Klefbom 1.31/60

Without McDavid
Nurse 0.80/60
Klefbom 0.72/60

This team needs both Nurse and Klefbom and its kinda funny that they get such similar results.

They get their similar results in very different ways. Different enough that some people (especially on twitter) rage about trading one but the other one is untouchable.

Even with fancy stats people the eye test can trump results I guess.

Ray

The devils have a player on unconditional waivers this morning. They might need/want to clear a contract slot before executing the Hall deal.

If that’s the case you might get a few stacked assets going back to Jersey.

Bruce McCurdy

leadfarmer: It reminds me of the Canucks vs the potato experiment
I get livid when we bring up the 16th + 2nd for Reinhart and people’s defense was they weren’t going to draft Barzal anyway
That made the situation twice as bad

It’s not a defence, it’s simply a likogical conclusion. You have to put yourself in the moment, not in the hindsight of several years later.

At that moment the Oilers had a recent #1 OV, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, who had just finshed the first year of a 7-year contract. A centre.

In the previous draft they had picked Leon Draisaitl at #3 overall, & he’d gone on to play half a season in the NHL, then to win the WHL playoff MVP & Memorial Cup MVP. A centre.

Then earlier that evening they had picked Connor McDavid, the best prospect of the entire decade, at #1 overall. A centre.

They were set at centre for years.

That fact has been borne out by actual hindsight. Centre remains Edmonton’s strongest positon, to the degree that one of the three has been deployed at wing, in fact the club’s best winger and it’s not close.

They needed help at other positions, notably defence.

The second pick in the first round always seemed destined for a D-man, as indeed the Oilers had done in numerous previous drafts wher they had 2 first round picks (2011, #1 RNH, C, #19 Oscar Klefbom, D; 2007 #6 Sam Gagner, C; #15 Alex Plante, D). Not tha those picks all worked out but it’s pretty “by the book” thinking in my view.

That the decison was made to trade for a D rather than to pick one was done to accelerate the cluster. Alas, they failed in their bid for Dougie Hamilton & made the disastrous second choice to go for Reinhart. That’s the part where logic failed them; a) Reinhart was a lefty when the org already had an entire Leftorium full of D prospects; b) he had a bonus laden contract that would cause all sorts of headaches when combined with the big bonus ELCs of Draisaitl, McDavid, & later Puljujarvi; c) & most importantly, their assessment of Reinhart’s NHL future was a massive fail.

If they had used the #16 to select, say, Thomas Chabot, things would have worked out a whole lot better. I just don’t buy the notion that the organization’s biggest need at that moment in time was a playmaking pivot coming off a 12-goal season.

Woodguy v2.0

leadfarmer:
Curious what happened that Hall didn’t get traded last night
His bags were outside the locker room
Guessing it was someone exercising their NTC

Its Shero letting everyone know to put their best deal forward to get the auction going.

Apparently BOS threw their hat in the ring last night too…

Woodguy v2.0

greenshifter:
Woodguy v2.0,

CGY -115 at home on a 7 game streak. I’m going to bet the streak.

ARZ -1.5 pucks at +115. Risky because they don’t score a lot but NJ isn’t scoring at all.

Like the VAN pick, go with the hot goalie in this one.

yeah, I don’t like that ARI bet at all. -1.5 for them should be ~+200, they don’t tend to win by much.

CAR is pretty good….that one is close.

Dustylegnd

Woodguy v2.0:
@AndrewBerkshire
Taylor Hall has been dealt….


A shit hand with how bad every team he’s been on his entire career has been.

Ha!

Hall’s team’s 5v5 Goal Share with Hall off the ice:
SeasonGF% Hall off
10/1144.0
11/1242.9
12/1343.3
13/1439.0
14/1536.3
15/1639.4
16/1741.3
17/1844.9—>This team made the playoffs
18/1940.7
19/2040.7

Related:

McDavid’s teams 5v5 goal shares when
SeasonGF% McDavid off
15/1640.0
16/1748.9—->this team made the playoffs
17/1841.6
18/1940.7
19/2036.8

So this year’s “McDavid Off 5v5 Oilers” are pretty much on par with the 14/15 “Hall Off 5v5 Oilers.”

Does this mean EDM will win Lafreniere in the draft lottery?

Its so goddamn sad.

Also,

The worst part of the 15/16 was this:
EDM 5v5 GF%
Hall On 53.2%
McDavid On 50.0%
Both Off 33.9%

How the fuck do you look at that and decide “One of these has to go”

All they had to do was “don’t hire bad players” and they would have been a force in the league.Couldn’t have even managed that.

Fuck.

I’ll never get over it.

Is the right answer a weak ass GM who solicited the opinions of MacT, Bob Green and Kevin Lowe, even after he got wrecked on the Reinhart trade that theoretically cost the oilers Barzal and Aho

You know they didn’t like the cut of Taylors Jib…..problem in the room and what not….good Lord

(yes I know the Oil were going to draft Joel Erikson Ek…as Big Bob used to point out over and over and over in-between Tree planting stories) why would they want a Chabot or a Conor or Boeser.

The damage that MacT and Green did to this team is incredible

Onward and upward…young D learning on the job but super encouraging….just need 2 top 6 wingers two bottom 6 non replacement wingers a 3rd line centre and a backup with .890< sv%

Our D prospect list is stacked……cap problems will be resolved in 2 years….just need wingers that can score

Crazy Pedestrian

Ray:
The devils have a player on unconditional waivers this morning. They might need/want to clear a contract slot before executing the Hall deal.

If that’s the case you might get a few stacked assets going back to Jersey.

So then the deal is going to be:
Larsson, Samorukov, Chiasson, 2nd for Hall???

Woodguy v2.0

Ryan:
It will be interesting to see what the return is for Hall.

By some accounts, the price is dropping.

Saturday Door crasher! Slightly used Taylor Hall. One left only in stock. Get it before it’s gone! Palmieri also available.

*offer valid only while items available

Some accounts are wrong then.

Prices don’t go down as the number of bidders increase.

Word is that a few teams who feel they are locks to make the playoffs have their 2020 1st on the table with no conditions.

Holland can’t do that.

Regardless of the other players/assets in the deal a 2020 1st will have the most value.

I hope BOS gets him.

Woodguy v2.0

Crazy Pedestrian: So then the deal is going to be:Larsson, Samorukov, Chiasson, 2nd for Hall???

and the rights to Omark

Ray

Crazy Pedestrian: So then the deal is going to be:Larsson, Samorukov, Chiasson, 2nd for Hall???

Nope clearing a slot gets them down to 45 contracts. Gonna have to add some more random stacks

Woodguy v2.0

Bruce McCurdy,

That’s why drafting for need is usually wrong.