Reasonable Doubt

by Lowetide

Growing up Jehovah’s Witness had some downbeat but there are positives from being raised on the outskirts of society. I’m probably more open to ideas that are unpopular or less traveled, while also being prone to wild goose chases (thus my many disagreements over the years with posters Logic and Reason).

For instance, I’m not sure trading Jesse Puljujarvi next summer is a good idea. If a team offers 100 cents on the dollar, fine. However, chances are the return will be disappointing and there’s every chance JP will have success in his new city. If I’m Holland, I at least think about letting the summer pass, go through the draft with the situation unsettled.

Maybe some of JP’s Oilers teammates can spend some time with him, convince him he’s needed. Puljujarvi isn’t evil, in fact he appears to be a good citizen. So, whatever the problem, I’d spend 2020 trying to solve it. There’s no good ending to trading JP for a second round pick or a mid-level prospect. No to Julien Gauthier, no to Lias Andersson.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: Oilers’ fleet centre prospect Ryan McLeod finding the range with the Bakersfield Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl is struggling badly, even as the Oilers’ depth forwards seem to be coming around
  • Lowetide: Should the Oilers pursue Lias Andersson in trade?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanBroken toes, holiday-time hospital visits and memories of home: A week in the life of Oscar Klefbom, the Oilers’ do-everything defenceman
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanGrasping Mike Smith, Leon Draisaitl and the Oilers’ recent plight by reading between the lines
  • Lowetide: As Oilers’ auditions of fringe forwards nears conclusion, it’s time for Condors’ top prospects to force the issue
  • Lowetide: The key missing element to the Oilers’ brilliant top line
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We called him ‘The Crane”: Teammates and coaches reveal their best Connor McDavid stories
  • Jonathan Willis: Should the Oilers have outbid the Coyotes for Taylor Hall?
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s frustration and the impact it could have on the Edmonton Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers need to figure out five-on-five woes quickly, starting with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl
  • Lowetide: Who should be the next man up from the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: 10 subscriber questions for Oilers rookie defenceman Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Five loud noises Ken Holland could make to help the Oilers immediately
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

CURRENT NHLE’S

Older players are [] and I have ranked each position with the highest to lowest NHLE. So, although Tomas Jurco ranks ahead of Tyler Benson NHLE, we can assume based on age (Jurco will be 27 on Saturday, Benson is 21) that Benson will have the better career.

I believe the most talented forwards are Benson, Lavoie, Yamamoto, McLeod, Marody, Maksimov. I like Rasanen, but his scouting report suggested a two-way center and at 21 these impressive college numbers can’t be trusted as true north.

I think Puljujarvi might be better than all of them. That’s why I don’t trade him.

BAKERSFIELD RE

Back in August, I made some predictions about Condors players and what a reasonable season might look like. Here’s the August verbal and an update:

Shane Starrett. He was a major part of the Condors success last season, it’s reasonable to expect him to build on that and (at some point) make his NHL debut. Update: Injuries have derailed his season. Absolutely terrible timing, and the Condors are having a terrible season partly because Starrett’s backups haven’t been close to good enough.

Evan Bouchard scored eight points in eight AHL playoff games, but didn’t play big minutes. Reasonable should be top 4D minutes in Bakersfield, a feature role on the power play and a point-per-game during the regular season. I also think NHL time is a reasonable expectation. Update: The first half of this season (27, 3-12-15) has been disappointing, although he is among the leading scorers among rookie blue in the AHL. Bouchard’s overall game looks to be shy of NHL-ready but a player with his pedigree could figure it out in a hurry.

Dmitri Samorukov had a breakout season in the OHL, so finding reasonable is difficult. I’m going to say that establishing himself as a solid AHL regular, with a positive even-strength goal differential, is reasonable. Update: Samorukov has covered the bet already, showing himself to be a capable regular in the minors. He is plus-minus zero, that’s a fabulous number on a team that is minus 19 on the year.

William Lagesson had an outstanding AHL debut season, so I’ll suggest an even better goal differential at even strength than he delivered a year ago. Plus NHL time. Update: He got an NHL recall but no games, and has been a strong player for the Condors when he’s in the lineup. Just waiting for the call, he’s bona fide.

Cooper Marody rocked the casbah in year one, I think reasonable expectations should include 25+ NHL games and over a point-per-game in the AHL. Update: It has been a miserable season so far, with Marody’s numbers (23, 5-9-14) a mere shadow of his rookie campaign. He is 2-5-7 in his last eight games, so that’s progress.

Tyler Benson should increase his point total and demonstrably improve his goal total in Bakersfield. I’ll say 25 AHL goals over an entire season, and 25 NHL games, too. Update: He’s on pace for 18 goals and leads the Condors with 21 points in 27 games. Most encouraging, Benson’s points have come with multiple linemates, meaning his reliance on Marody to create offense a year ago no longer applies. Quality first half.

Kailer Yamamoto might be the most interesting player in this group. He scored 10 goals in 27 games a year ago, I think 25 goals based on a 68-game season in reasonable. No NHL games expected, if he earns them that’s a positive arrow. Update: Yamamoto’s scouting reports are fire, he’s been a buzzsaw and draws penalties on the regular (sources Wilde and Original Pouzar). His seven goals in 22 games projects to 21.6 goals over 68 games. He’s close, in my opinion Yamamoto and Benson are both NHL-ready.

Ryan McLeod has terrific speed and two-way acumen, so his emerging as an AHL regular is reasonable. Offensively, 25+ points over 68 games seems reasonable (assuming he gets a regular shift). Update: McLeod has 3-8-11 in 27 games, that’s a little ahead of the pace I suggested would be reasonable. Solid start. Wrote about him here.

Kirill Maksimov is a terrific goal-scorer and Jay Woodcroft’s ability to unlock rookies was a key to Benson, Marody and their seasons. He’s a scorer, but overestimating goal scorers is the easiest mistake in reasonable expectations. I’ll say 20 goals in 68 games for Maksimov. Update: He has scored 2-6-8 in 24 games, that projects to six goals over a 68-game schedule. He is 1-2-3 in his last two games. Playing time in feature roles has been an issue but I think he’s going to have a big second half.

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HugThePost

Seems like a reasonable thought to let it ride for 2020, but what evidence do we have that any of the Oiler players were actually close to JP? By all accounts he was kind of an outsider.

dustrock

Ice to see Blumel scoring for Czech in game 1.

Bling

Look at Joel Armia for how long it can take for big men to establish themselves. JP is a better scorer. He will be an NHLer. Maybe not a game breaker, but you need 20-20 guys on your roster as well.

I’m less optimistic that Benson and Yamamoto are ready now.

Their scoring totals are good but not great for second year professional players. I could see them pushing the needle with a bonafide 2nd line C, but are they going to thrive with an injured and struggling Nuge, or a tired Drai? I’m not so sure.

Both guys may need a full year in the A.

Woodguy v2.0

If we use xGF% as our guide for optimal Oiler lines with the current roster we see this:

Note: Sorry to put the Centers on the left. I’m not pandering to LT’s proclivity to do this, it just happened.

Center – Left Wing – Right Wing
McDavid-Draisaitl-Kassian -47.6%
Nuge – Neal – Chiasson – 61.3%
Sheahan – Nygaard – Archibald – 52.7%
Haas – Khaira – Gagner – 81.5%

McDavid’s line still has 54.9% GF

Their shitty xGF% is due to Draisaitl’s amazingly shitty December. Before December that line was 51.8% xGF and 61.0% GF and I expect them back up close to that level now with a rested and (hopefully) refocused Drai, as well as a less compressed schedule coming up until the end of January.

TOI together:
McDavid-Draisaitl-Kassian -429min
Nuge – Neal – Chiasson – 121min
Sheahan – Nygaard – Archibald – 49min
Haas – Khaira – Gagner – 9min

Nuge’s line is starting to get some history buttressing their results

Their CF% is 57.5% and GF% is 55.6% so they are full value for their results. Doesn’t match the eye test but there are no pictures on the scorecard.

Nygaard with Sheahan is new but its looking like the coach will stick with it.

Haas’s line has one game together where they killed it. Haas and Khaira have another game together are above 50% results.

I’d bring up Benson and work him into the Haas line. Once I was comfortable with his play vs those NHLers’ I’d move him up as needed.

For those who say “Benson needs a top 6 role, don’t bring him up to play the 4th line” I submit to you that most NHLers who aren’t “sure fire stars” or in bad orgs (like EDM) start their NHL career in the bottom six. Its always been the right thing to do.

The AHL prepares players for bottom 6 NHL roles.

Bottom 6 NHL roles prepares players for top 6 NHL roles.

I wrote about Benson recently here: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2019/09/projecting-tyler-bensons-1920-season.html

If you dig into the body of the piece you’ll see that I found that players’ with 20 year old seasons comparable to Benson’s start in the NHL in the bottom 6.

This includes such players as:

Tyfolli
JT Miller
Anisimov
Zucker
M.Grandlund
Kadri
Krejci

Don’t let your experience being an Oiler fan colour this issue.

Most NHL top 6 forwards who come from outside the first round graduate to the NHL as bottom 6ers and work their way up.

Its been that way for as long as I’ve been watching hockey and good teams break kids in slowly.

Sure there are outliers, there always are, but they’re called outliers for a reason.

There are also bad teams who put young players in positions to get their heads kicked in by the best hockey players in the world. They are bad teams for a reason, this one being among them.

Woodguy v2.0

dustrock:
Ice to see Blumel scoring for Czech in game 1.

He’s built like a tank.

I like that quality in a player.

Mr DeBakey

Bling: are they going to thrive with an injured and struggling Nuge

I ran Nuge’s numbers pre-injury versus what’s been goin’ on since he returned against Buffalo.
All scoring is down, down, down.
Fenwicks & Scoring Chances too, though not as sharply.

SwedishPoster

Woodguy v2.0: He’s built like a tank.

I like that quality in a player.

First real viewing for me. I like him. You can tell he’s been playing in a men’s league, tactically well-versed and protects the puck well. Not high end skill but can handle the puck and I liked his shot against the grain on the goal. Longshot prospect obviously but there’s certainly things to like.

Must say I really like Jan Mysak, oozing quality, sailing up as one of my favourite prospects for 2020.

leadfarmer

Dont trade JP. If he absolutely refuses to come back use him just give him to Seattle at the expansion draft.
If Lias Andersson intrigues you use a draft pick. Looks more of a suspect than a prospect at this point

Woodguy v2.0

SwedishPoster,

Must say I really like Jan Mysak, oozing quality, sailing up as one of my favourite prospects for 2020.

Thanks for the tip SP.

dessert1111

Now that it’s after Christmas, Holland can bring up any of the young guys while remaining true to his verbal at the start of the year.

I’d argue that none of them are blowing the doors off though and if we are trying to make a push this season a trade is a better bet.

I also wouldn’t mind seeing if Currie or Gambardella, as tweener types, can move the needle more than Russell, who I think has been a solid role player but appears unlikely to be more than a placeholder on the current roster or more than an injury fill in on a good team.

dessert1111

Woodguy v2.0:
If we use xGF% as our guide for optimal Oiler lines with the current roster we see this:

Note: Sorry to put the Centers on the left.I’m not pandering to LT’s proclivity to do this, it just happened.

Center – Left Wing – Right Wing
McDavid-Draisaitl-Kassian -47.6%
Nuge – Neal – Chiasson – 61.3%
Sheahan – Nygaard – Archibald – 52.7%
Haas – Khaira – Gagner – 81.5%

This is about what I would have advocated for without seeing the numbers – a good sign that my eyes and these numbers are aligned.

That said, maybe it’s partly just due to these players’ reputations, but even our ideal lineup looks mighty weak – 2 fourth lines and a line with a historically good 2C and two guys I would describe as streaky EV scorers if I’m being kind.

I’m undecided if it’s better to bring up Benson or any of his peers is the best short term solution, but I think there’s merit to bringing them up one at a time for long term development at this point.

HugThePost

Lowetide: Maybe there’s been growth from both sides. Oilers need wingers, every man on this team knows that for sure.

Possible. Maybe the Oilers should send in Jari Kurri with the olive branch?

Reja

Bling:
Look at Joel Armia for how long it can take for big men to establish themselves. JP is a better scorer. He will be an NHLer. Maybe not a game breaker, but you need 20-20 guys on your roster as well.

I’m less optimistic that Benson and Yamamoto are ready now.

Their scoring totals are good but not great for second year professional players. I could see them pushing the needle with a bonafide 2nd line C, but are they going to thrive with an injured and struggling Nuge, or a tired Drai? I’m not so sure.

Both guys may need a full year in the A.

Armia goes to the net always has. Jesse not so much big reason why he’s playing in the North Pole.

tileguy

dessert1111,

One up, so who goes down?

dessert1111

tileguy:
dessert1111,

One up, so who goes down?

The sad thing is there is no shortage of candidates.

If it’s a winger (ie not Marody), any of Granlund, Russell, Archibald, Gagner, or Nygard, roughly in that order of preference for me.

OriginalPouzar

I know many are disapointed with the performance of the Condors as a whole and many individuals.

As far as the team as a whole, Shane Starrett’s injury plagued season is the main reason the team hasn’t performed well. Its unfortunate that neither Skinner nor Wells have been able to help them tread water.

As far as individuals, while, yes, Marody’s season has been disappointing given last year and Benson a bit as well (although he started off a little slow last year as well).

As the same time, with the other higher end prospects, lets not forget that the jump from CHL to the AHL is massive and expectations for non first round drafted CHL rookies, even talented one’s should be someone low.

Yamamoto, while his production is a bit disapointing, his overall game really isn’t – he is playing with lesser talented players generally – yes, Malone and Joe G. are plus AHL players but don’t play a skill game and, frankly, don’t convert or create chances off the rush and with skill that fits with Kailer.

I’ve come to the opinion that Kailer may not be full time top 6 NHL guy due to a lack of finishing ability or one dynamic offensive skill – with that said, he is becoming the “swiss knife” player and I can see him being a heck of third line PK guy – a tenacious forechecking energy player that has some skill – causes turnovers, draws penalties, great on the PK, etc.

McLeod shows flashes of high end abillit – his speed is noticeable – he’s learning the pro game – playing both wing and center with tons of PK time.

Makismov is also learning the pro game and has had some plus offensive games – also big PK minutes.

Maksi and McLeod are two forwards that will need a few years and, next year, are going to be huge AHL players.

Sammy has progressed a TON in the first 3 months of the year – he was very raw and “junior” to start the year but is now playing solid at evens and I look for him to move in to the top 4 by the end of the year.

These three guys are rookie pros and are progressing at reasonable development rates.

I’m happy with them.

Woodguy v2.0

dessert1111,

I’m undecided if it’s better to bring up Benson or any of his peers is the best short term solution, but I think there’s merit to bringing them up one at a time for long term development at this point.

I’m bringing up Benson today and getting him acclimated to the NHL as Neal or Chiasson are not long term solutions to the 2nd line and he might be.

Sierra

Woodguy v2.0:
If we use xGF% as our guide for optimal Oiler lines with the current roster we see this:

Note: Sorry to put the Centers on the left.I’m not pandering to LT’s proclivity to do this, it just happened.

Center – Left Wing – Right Wing
McDavid-Draisaitl-Kassian -47.6%
Nuge – Neal – Chiasson – 61.3%
Sheahan – Nygaard – Archibald – 52.7%
Haas – Khaira – Gagner – 81.5%

McDavid’s line still has 54.9% GF

Their shitty xGF% is due to Draisaitl’s amazingly shitty December.Before December that line was 51.8% xGF and 61.0% GF and I expect them back up close to that level now with a rested and (hopefully) refocused Drai, as well as a less compressed schedule coming up until the end of January.

Nuge’s line is starting to get some history buttressing their results

Their CF% is 57.5% and GF% is 55.6% so they are full value for their results.Doesn’t match the eye test but there are no pictures on the scorecard.

Given this post, do the Oilers need to trade for a 2nd line winger?

Woodguy v2.0

Reja: Armia goes to the net always has. Jesse not so much big reason why he’s playing in the North Pole.

This post is hilarious.

When Armia was JP’s age he still hadn’t played a NHL game.

You have no idea what he was at JP’s age what he did at JP’s age in the NHL because he wasn’t there.

Armia hit the AHL at age 20 and put up 0.50pts/gm, with his goals per game being 0.13/gm
JP hit the AHL at age 18 and put up 0.72pts/gm, with his goals per game being 0.31/gm

Armia’s next year, his 21 year old year Armia matched JP’s 18 year old year out put in the AHL with 0.76pts/gm and 0.30 goals per game.

In his 21 year old year JP split for Finland.

v4ance

OriginalPouzar,

I’m starting to think Yamamoto might be a Cogliano type player….

Woodguy v2.0

Sierra: Given this post, do the Oilers need to trade for a 2nd line winger?

They need them long term for sure.

If I was in Holland’s shoes I don’t spend any quality assets on a rental unless I’m sure I have good chance of re-signing them.

18-93-39 isn’t guaranteed to keep on keeping on, but for now it floats.

HugThePost

v4ance:
OriginalPouzar,

I’m starting to think Yamamoto might be a Cogliano type player….

If Yamo turns out to be a modern version of Marchant/ Cogliano, I would be pretty happy with that; he would be quite useful.

Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0:
If we use xGF% as our guide for optimal Oiler lines with the current roster we see this:

Note: Sorry to put the Centers on the left.I’m not pandering to LT’s proclivity to do this, it just happened.

Center – Left Wing – Right Wing
McDavid-Draisaitl-Kassian -47.6%
Nuge – Neal – Chiasson – 61.3%
Sheahan – Nygaard – Archibald – 52.7%
Haas – Khaira – Gagner – 81.5%

McDavid’s line still has 54.9% GF

Their shitty xGF% is due to Draisaitl’s amazingly shitty December.Before December that line was 51.8% xGF and 61.0% GF and I expect them back up close to that level now with a rested and (hopefully) refocused Drai, as well as a less compressed schedule coming up until the end of January.

TOI together:
McDavid-Draisaitl-Kassian -429min
Nuge – Neal – Chiasson – 121min
Sheahan – Nygaard – Archibald – 49min
Haas – Khaira – Gagner – 9min

Nuge’s line is starting to get some history buttressing their results

Their CF% is 57.5% and GF% is 55.6% so they are full value for their results.Doesn’t match the eye test but there are no pictures on the scorecard.

Nygaard with Sheahan is new but its looking like the coach will stick with it.

Haas’s line has one game together where they killed it.Haas and Khaira have another game together are above 50% results.

I’d bring up Benson and work him into the Haas line.Once I was comfortable with his play vs those NHLers’ I’d move him up as needed.

For those who say “Benson needs a top 6 role, don’t bring him up to play the 4th line” I submit to you that most NHLers who aren’t “sure fire stars” or in bad orgs (like EDM) start their NHL career in the bottom six.Its always been the right thing to do.

The AHL prepares players for bottom 6 NHL roles.

Bottom 6 NHL roles prepares players for top 6 NHL roles.

I wrote about Benson recently here: http://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2019/09/projecting-tyler-bensons-1920-season.html

If you dig into the body of the piece you’ll see that I found that players’ with 20 year old seasons comparable to Benson’s start in the NHL in the bottom 6.

This includes such players as:

Tyfolli
JT Miller
Anisimov
Zucker
M.Grandlund
Kadri
Krejci

Don’t let your experience being an Oiler fan colour this issue.

Most NHL top 6 forwards who come from outside the first round graduate to the NHL as bottom 6ers and work their way up.

Its been that way for as long as I’ve been watching hockey and good teams break kids in slowly.

Sure there are outliers, there always are, but they’re called outliers for a reason.

There are also bad teams who put young players in positions to get their heads kicked in by the best hockey players in the world.They are bad teams for a reason, this one being among them.

Thanks for the analysis. This means that finding more bottom 6 forwards isn’t a good plan, two are coming next season likely.

If we’re liking Haas at 3 C (easier minutes speed), then it’s top 6 wingers and a 4th line C (the coach’s D oriented line) if we don’t like Shearan enough there.

And another NHL quality goalie.

EDit: Wrong Irishman. SheaHan.

Scungilli Slushy

I agree with LT about JP. At the same time i don’t think he’ll cover his draft position. But as he matures there is a lot of hockey player there, and if he wants to use it for NHL purposes he would be IMO one of those strong backbone players that contending and Champ teams have as a foundation.

OriginalPouzar

Canada and US on the TV and streaming Sweden on TSN 3.

Lets do this!

who

Couldn’t agree more with your assessment of JP. If we really want a winger to help drive the 2nd line this player is still the best bet in the Oilers system.
Now maybe that doesn’t say much about our organization, but looks like most of the high end prospects are defenseman. JP is still the best forward prospect in the system and my hope is he comes back to Edmonton next year. I am fine with Holland sitting on his hands rather than trading JP for a 2nd rounder or B level prospect.
However, if that bridge has been burned, do you think it is possible to package him with Neal for a complete riddance of Neals contract?
I think that trade has more value to the Oilers than Gauthier or Anderson.

Oilman99

v4ance,

His injury record suggests there is no way Yamamoto is anywhere near as tough and resilient as Cogs, unless he can put on another 20lb.of muscle.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Anyone have a good source to stream the WJC game today?

My feed at onhockey. tv is kinda flaky.

tileguy

dessert1111: The sad thing is there is no shortage of candidates.

If it’s a winger (ie not Marody), any of Granlund, Russell, Archibald, Gagner, or Nygard, roughly in that order of preference for me.

So now that it is after Xmas, when we send somebody down are we giving up on them for all time?

OriginalPouzar

Broberg out killing a 5 on 3.

OriginalPouzar

Lavoie on PP2

Woodguy v2.0

Scungilli Slushy: Thanks for the analysis. This means that finding more bottom 6 forwards isn’t a good plan, two are coming next season likely.

If we’re liking Haas at 3 C (easier minutes speed), then it’s top 6 wingers and a 4th line C (the coach’s D oriented line) if we don’t like Shearan enough there.

And another NHL quality goalie.

EDit: Wrong Irishman. SheaHan.

Outsde of 97, 29 and 93 there isn’t a slot on the forward roster that doesn’t need upgrading imo.

44 is ok at 2.5MM or less.

OriginalPouzar

Some solid play from Lavoie in his couple first period shifts – a nice little back hand on net earlier and some good battle and puck retrieval behind the US net. He was on PP2 they didn’t get set up.

Bulging Twine

Lavoie is a quick thinker with quick hands.
Also looks calm under pressure with the puck

BornInAGretzkyJersey

So that Zegras kid has some sick mitts and that Kaliyev fellow can shoot the pill.

Who knew?

Reja

Woodguy v2.0: This post is hilarious.

When Armia was JP’s age he still hadn’t played a NHL game.

You have no idea what he was at JP’s age what he did at JP’s age in the NHL because he wasn’t there.

Armia hit the AHL at age 20 and put up 0.50pts/gm, with his goals per game being 0.13/gm
JP hit the AHL at age 18 and put up 0.72pts/gm, with his goals per game being 0.31/gm

Armia’s next year, his 21 year old year Armia matched JP’s 18 year old year out put in the AHL with 0.76pts/gm and 0.30 goals per game.

In his 21 year old year JP split for Finland.

It’ll be interesting for me anyhow who ends up with more games, goals and points at the NHL level for their careers.

Munny

BornInAGretzkyJersey,

Pretty much everyone?

Sierra

Woodguy v2.0: Outsde of 97, 29 and 93 there isn’t a slot on the forward roster that doesn’t need upgrading imo.

44 is ok at 2.5MM or less.

After all these years we are still saying the same thing. Same as it ever was.

OriginalPouzar

dessert: The sad thing is there is no shortage of candidates.

If it’s a winger (ie not Marody), any of Granlund, Russell, Archibald, Gagner, or Nygard, roughly in that order of preference for me.

Josh Archibald should not be in that group, in my opinion.

He is a legit every day NHL player.

Reja

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
So that Zegras kid has some sick mitts and that Kaliyev fellow can shoot the pill.

Who knew?

That’s who I wanted first Zegras out of all the forwards was surprised when Holland picked Broberg. I hope he proves me wrong in a big way.

OriginalPouzar

vance:
OriginalPouzar,

I’m starting to think Yamamoto might be a Cogliano type player….

Not a bad comparison – he doesn’t have Cogs’ straight speed but has a bit more skill.

If Kailer has a Cogs type career – then we hit it out of the park with that pick!

OriginalPouzar

Lavoie with a nice little play on the wall and he picks up an assist on the Canada’s first goal.

A lacrosse style goal was just scored by Sweden.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
Lavoie with a nice little play on the wall and he picks up an assist on the Canada’s first goal.

A lacrosse style goal was just scored by Sweden.

Canucks prospect Hoglander.
Also scored a lacrosse goal recently in league play

OriginalPouzar

Don’t give Lafreniere time and space on the PP and don’t let Canada shoot on the PP from the top of the right circles.

Canada has dominated that last 20 minutes of this game.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Munny,

(That was the joke.)

BornInAGretzkyJersey

How comparable are Lavoie and Whalstrom?

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Reja,

I wasn’t a fan of Zegras, wanted Krebs or Cozens. But the Broberg pick has me intrigued, he’s been trending well IMO. High potential. Nabbing Lavoie in the 2nd was a nice get and fills a need in the pipeline.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Jamie Drysdale the only one not puck watching on that play. Kid is a gamer. And my word, can he skate.