Air Lift

The double waivers on Saturday morning (Brandon Manning, Markus Granlund) signaled the Oilers were going to shuffle the roster a little after the poor December that will wrap up on Tuesday. The big question: Who is going to fly north?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘If I have another one in a short time, my career could be over’: Recent head injuries concerning Oilers’ Matt Benning
  • New Jonathan Willis: The Oilers have actual problems; Connor McDavid’s defensive game is not among them
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers waive veterans Markus Granlund, Brandon Manning in Saturday shakeup
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We didn’t come with the mindset to play a hard game’: Poor preparation leaves Oilers coach steaming
  • Lowetide: Edmonton Oilers’ goaltending depth chart in need of talent injection
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ fleet centre prospect Ryan McLeod finding the range with the Bakersfield Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl is struggling badly, even as the Oilers’ depth forwards seem to be coming around
  • Lowetide: Should the Oilers pursue Lias Andersson in trade?
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanBroken toes, holiday-time hospital visits and memories of home: A week in the life of Oscar Klefbom, the Oilers’ do-everything defenceman
  • Daniel Nugent-BowmanGrasping Mike Smith, Leon Draisaitl and the Oilers’ recent plight by reading between the lines
  • Lowetide: As Oilers’ auditions of fringe forwards nears conclusion, it’s time for Condors’ top prospects to force the issue
  • Lowetide: The key missing element to the Oilers’ brilliant top line
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We called him ‘The Crane”: Teammates and coaches reveal their best Connor McDavid stories
  • Jonathan Willis: Should the Oilers have outbid the Coyotes for Taylor Hall?
  • Lowetide: Connor McDavid’s frustration and the impact it could have on the Edmonton Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers need to figure out five-on-five woes quickly, starting with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl
  • Lowetide: Who should be the next man up from the Bakersfield Condors?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: 10 subscriber questions for Oilers rookie defenceman Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Five loud noises Ken Holland could make to help the Oilers immediately
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS 2019-20

I’ve been predicting a large number of roster changes this season, the record is 43 and there was a chance this year’s club could push for that number. I don’t believe it now, because we’re halfway through the season and stuck at 27. Two new recalls, if they aren’t Cave and Persson, will put the roster at 29. Still a long way to go.

Who should they recall? If I was king of the world, it would be one of Tyler Benson or Kailer Yamamoto up front, and William Lagesson on the back. I would further insert both into the lineup soon, especially the forward. Once again, here are the scoring numbers at five on five from the Oilers forwards this season. I’ve used NST to find the 372 busiest NHL forwards this year, and ranked the men below in terms of lines. Here we go:

  1. Connor McDavid 2.91 (first line) (681 mins)
  2. Leon Draisaitl 2.80 (first line) (665 mins)
  3. Zack Kassian 2.48 (first line) (581 mins)
  4. Sam Gagner 1.72 (second line) (243 mins)
  5. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.05 (fourth line) (455 mins)
  6. Gaetan Haas 1.00 (fourth line) (298 mins)
  7. Joakim Nygard 0.97 (fourth line) (247 mins)
  8. Jujhar Khaira 0.88 (fourth line) (408 mins)
  9. Markus Granlund 0.82 (fourth line) (292 mins)
  10. Patrick Russell 0.74 (fourth line) (324 mins)
  11. James Neal 0.70 (fourth line) (513 mins)
  12. Alex Chiasson 0.61 (fourth line) (395 mins)
  13. Josh Archibald 0.57 (fourth line) (317 mins)
  14. Riley Sheahan 0.51 (fourth line) (352 mins)

There are over 2,500 minutes devoted to men who are scoring less than 1.00 points per game. Who should they recall? The best offensive option available.

CONDORS 2019-20

I think Benson is a safer bet and that Yamamoto has a more impressive outer marker. I’d call both men up but the world might burst into flames.

Leon Draisaitl—Connor McDavid—Kailer Yamamoto

Tyler Benson—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Zack Kassian

Jujhar Khaira—Riley Sheahan—Josh Archibald

Joakim Nygard—Gaetan Haas—James Neal/Sam Gagner/Alex Chiasson

I know what you’re saying, how can I possibly put Neal on the fourth line and run two absolute rookies in the top six. My answer: What are the alternatives? Haas might have earned a shot at the skill lines, but Neal, Chiasson and even Gagner have been inconsistent. These aren’t stone cold rookie pros, like Ryan McLeod and Kirill Maksimov. Yamamoto was a first round pick in 2017, both men chosen ahead of him (Robert Thomas and Filip Chytil) are NHL regulars. Benson led his AHL team in points as a rookie and is leading his team again as a sophomore pro.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Still nothing on the AHL transactions site.

    Maybe after today’s game.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 17
    COL 11
    WPG 7

    Pacific
    ARI 6
    VGP 6
    VAN 5

    Wildcard
    DAL 7
    CGY 5

    Out of playoffs
    NSH 4
    MIN 4
    EDM 3
    CHI -1
    ANA -2
    SJS -3
    LAK -5

    NSH’s failure to be NSH is making a wildcard spot viable for a Pacific team. The Vaccine Snathchers currently own the 2nd wildcard spot.

    For the first time in franchise history, goaltending is an issue in NSH.

    NSH is 5th in team 5v5 CF% and 9th in team 5v5 xGF%. They are also 3rd in team 5v5 SH%. All recipes for a high end team.

    They are 24th in 5v5 SV% and 31st in PK SV% with .805, but there is as much “bad PKing” in that SV% as there is bad goalering.

    This brings their “all situations” SV% down to 30th, only ahead of the Detroit Dead Things and just behind SJS.

    Their PP isn’t helping with the 25th best PP GF/60 of 5.78. TBY leads the league with 11.39/60, EDM is 2nd with 10.69/60 (nice)

    Relevant games today:

    WPG (+165) at STL (-190) – 2nd of home and home. I wouldn’t bet against STL but there’s no value in betting on them here.

    NYI (-105) at MIN (-115) – Doobie has beat CGY and COL in his last 2 games. Worth a unit here if he starts.

    DAL (+100) at ARI (-120) – DAL played in DAL last night, ARI in Vegreville. Raanta got pulled after giving up 4 on 16 shots. Wonder if they go back to him? I like DAL for a unit here.

    VAN (+160) at CGY (-180) – VAN played last night so CGY should win, but there’s no value on this line. Maybe half a unit on VAN as they can score in bunches.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 19
    NYI 13
    PIT 12

    Atlantic
    BOS 16
    TOR 7
    TBY 6

    Wildcard
    PHI 9
    CAR 9

    Out of playoffs
    FLA 6
    MTL 4
    NYR 4
    CBJ 3
    BUF 2
    OTT -2
    NJD -7
    DET -18

    FLA is not going gently into that good night.

    Connolly is up to 11 5v5 goals, tied for 16th in the league with such players as MacKinnon, Pettersson, Barzal, Ovechkin. *sigh*

    Relevant Atlantic games today:

    DET (+280) at TBY (-360) – Yes TBY is value here at -360. Insane.

    BUF (+190) at BOS (-230) – BUF is EDM’s EC Spirit Animal. St. Ralph can’t stop the slide.

    MTL (+105) at FLA (-125) – FLA won last night, but Bob didn’t play and will play tonight. His last two starts before Christmas were a bit shaky, but I like him here for a unit.

    MTL missing Byron, Drouin and Armia is making it tougher for them to score.

  4. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I know what you’re saying, how can I possibly put Neal on the fourth line and run two absolute rookies in the top six. My answer: What are the alternatives?

    Well, knowing what we now know about Drai and his effect on McDavid for the past month I’d start (as Tippett has now) by separating them.

    If you’re bringing up both Benson and Yamamoto why not go:

    Nygaard-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson
    Benson-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Haas-Sheahan-Archibald

    An honest to goodness softer minutes outscoring line where the rookies don’t have to beat the other teams’ best and Drai can get ~12 5v5 minutes a night and re-charge his depleted batteries.

    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson have a 55.6% GF and 61.8%xGF in 121 minutes together.

    Its the only outscoring line you can cobble together on this roster that doesn’t include McDavid. I think its best to use it.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Wild have been playing very well and that defense is seriously underrated and deep. It’s probably worth a unit, whatever that is.
    Arizona is showing the difference not having 940 goalering makes

  6. Rich M says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Still nothing on the AHL transactions site.

    Maybe after today’s game.

    Since the Oilers don’t play again until Tuesday, would seem logical to wait until after the game today to make that move, especially if the team is practicing tomorrow (gives them a chance to work the lines).

    Also, re: you next post and Nashville. In the past, both goalies were studs making saves on 5-bell chances. This year, neither is. Last night, all of the “in the picture” moments at evens and PK highlight their issues (bad play in their own end). Watch Poile make some kind of move before the trade deadline to get their “Butch Goring”.

  7. leadfarmer says:

    Bracco and Timashov are available
    Holland should be on the phone
    Both probably better than our collection of Reiders

  8. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Still nothing on the AHL transactions site.

    Maybe after today’s game.

    Oilers Sunday transactions are often mid-morning to early afternoon.

  9. wheatnoil says:

    Only 6 D on the roster and Benning unlikely to be ready for the next game. So could be Persson coming up. Or maybe they want someone to sit as 7th D and not play, which is Lagesson’s role, apparently.

    I think the call-up at forward will be Benson.

    That said, Stauffer specifically mentioned both Yamomoto and Benson after last night’s game, so maybe that’s a tell.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I know what you’re saying, how can I possibly put Neal on the fourth line and run two absolute rookies in the top six. My answer: What are the alternatives?

    Well, knowing what we now know about Drai and his effect on McDavid for the past month I’d start (as Tippett has now) by separating them.

    If you’re bringing up both Benson and Yamamoto why not go:

    Nygaard-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson
    Benson-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Haas-Sheahan-Archibald

    An honest to goodness softer minutes outscoring line where the rookies don’t have to beat the other teams’ best and Drai can get ~12 5v5 minutes a night and re-charge his depleted batteries.

    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson have a 55.6% GF and 61.8%xGF in 121 minutes together.

    Its the only outscoring line you can cobble together on this roster that doesn’t include McDavid. I think its best to use it.

    For me, Nygard hasn’t shown enough to warrant that kind of push, and the No. 2 line you suggest is not fast. LOVE the idea of a young line like that one, if the Oilers had 2010 Horcoff I’d agree in a heartbeat.

  11. Dustylegnd says:

    Holland has provided Tip with 10 replacement level forwards, two of which come at a combined salary of $12 m, throw in a 3rd 4th liner and that is 15 mil on 3 fourth liners.

    Holland inherited 2 of these 3 players and amazingly enough secured an upgrade in the swap of Neal for Lucic

    Neal is not a bona-fide 5 x 5 NHL player, but we already knew that

    Yet many fans were very disappointed the Oil did not win the Hall sweepstakes, and it appears that the Yotes weren’t 1 player away from anything that matters either, but they did lose their #1 Keeper which is beyond huge, time will tell

    The Farm is devoid of any legitimate goal scorers, and if you can’t dominate the AHL how are you going to be a 25-35 goal man in the NHL

    The seriousness of this situation is now being realized by the fan base, this is why Holland was able to secure 5 years x $5 mill to take on this job.

    Holland is going to have to trade the Oilers out of this mess by swapping what we do have for something better up front…..I am not confident he is the man for that job.

    Hollands recent draft record in Detroit is an abomination and now he brought Tyler Wright with him, has anyone else noticed that Keith Gretzky’s name is no longer mentioned within the Oilers Organization?

    This is the type of mess that will lead to McDavid failing to report, because this team will not be meaningfully better by Sep 2021.

    In other news I guess the U-20 will let us know where Broberg slots vs his age group, we wait

  12. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I know what you’re saying, how can I possibly put Neal on the fourth line and run two absolute rookies in the top six. My answer: What are the alternatives?

    Well, knowing what we now know about Drai and his effect on McDavid for the past month I’d start (as Tippett has now) by separating them.

    If you’re bringing up both Benson and Yamamoto why not go:

    Nygaard-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson
    Benson-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Haas-Sheahan-Archibald

    An honest to goodness softer minutes outscoring line where the rookies don’t have to beat the other teams’ best and Drai can get ~12 5v5 minutes a night and re-charge his depleted batteries.

    The forward they call up will probably depend on how Tippet deploys the big 3.
    If he runs them all at center, then Benson seems like the logical choice.
    If he runs the big 3 in the top 6, I think they should give Marody a shot at 3C. That would allow them to give Haas a look in the top 6. He is the only depth forward that has looked consistently good in December. I would like to see what he can do with better linemates.
    I don’t understand the Manning move, unless they have a dman hurting. If they bring up Lagesson, who’s going to sit? I have liked Caleb Jones the last few games. Looks like he’s gaining some traction at this level.

  13. leadfarmer says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Other than the good Lucic trade Holland has reached on a first round pick and changed up the amateur scouting department which is the only area that should have been left alone, and bringing in Detroit scouts is a definite downgrade
    I understand lack of cap space and lack of talent but Holland will only be able to blame his predecessor for so long.

  14. Ben says:

    You guys are gonna flip when they call up Brad Malone’s jock strap (it’s properly overripe).

  15. Dustylegnd says:

    leadfarmer,

    This is a truly terrible roster, the hardest thing to do in hockey is score goals, we have 2 guys that can score goals consistently 5 x 5 and nothing coming as far as we can tell.

    Now I read Lavoie plays with a lack of urgency at the U-20 worlds, perfect now we have a forward and a high 1st round d man with the same deficiencys…… Genius

  16. who says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Holland has provided Tip with 10 replacement level forwards, two of which come at a combined salary of $12 m, throw in a 3rd 4th liner and that is 15 mil on 3 fourth liners.

    Holland inherited 2 of these 3 players and amazingly enough secured an upgrade in the swap of Neal for Lucic

    Neal is not a bona-fide 5 x 5 NHL player, but we already knew that

    Yet many fans were very disappointed the Oil did not win the Hall sweepstakes, and it appears that the Yotes weren’t 1 player away from anything that matters either, but they did lose their #1 Keeper which is beyond huge, time will tell

    The Farm is devoid of any legitimate goal scorers, and if you can’t dominate the AHL how are you going to be a 25-35 goal man in the NHL

    The seriousness of this situation is now being realized by the fan base, this is why Holland was able to secure 5 years x $5 mill to take on this job.

    Holland is going to have to trade the Oilers out of this mess by swapping what we do have for something better up front…..I am not confident he is the man for that job.

    Hollands recent draft record in Detroit is an abomination and now he brought Tyler Wright with him, has anyone else noticed that Keith Gretzky’s name is no longer mentioned within the Oilers Organization?

    This is the type of mess that will lead to McDavid failing to report, because this team will not be meaningfully better by Sep 2021.

    In other news I guess the U-20 will let us know where Broberg slots vs his age group, we wait

    The more I look at this roster (and our prospect pool) the more convinced I am that Klefbom or Nurse will get moved for a high end winger sometime before the fall of 2021.
    If Nurse signs a long term deal this summer I’m guessing Klefbom gets moved. I know it sounds crazy, and no one wants to trade away that contract, but that contract adds value to Klefbom. He probably has more trade value than any Oiler other than McDavid and Drai. And I think Nurse is just as good.
    Nurse would also be under team control longer. And I found it telling that the Oilers put the A on him, rather than Klefbom, when Larrson was out.

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Wild have been playing very well and that defense is seriously underrated and deep.It’s probably worth a unit, whatever that is.
    Arizona is showing the difference not having 940 goalering makes

    A unit is 1/100 of your bankroll.

    Regardless of how big your bankroll is, it should be thought of in terms of units.

    Some like to use 200 units, but I find they just then bet multiple units per game so its basically the same as using 100 units.

    Thinking of your betting bankroll in terms of units is useful for many reasons. Among them:

    -Bettors with vastly different bankroll sizes can talk on a even playing field
    -You can exert better bankroll control by not violating your “never bet more than X units” on one outcome
    -You can start betting small and see if you can actually beat the vig before putting any “real” money on the line. A bankroll of $25 with 100 $0.25 units should be managed identically to a $25,000 bankroll with 100 $250 units.

    I have reasonable sized betting bankroll that I manage.

    I use most of it on hockey futures. I start with season o/u point totals and division winners in the fall, then when that settles up in April I then bet on playoff futures.

    I find hockey futures much easier to beat than games. Games are really tough for the last few years.

    Betting on futures doesn’t leave me with much of bankroll to manage on games throughout the season as a lot of it is tied up until April so my unit size drops substantially, but I will always have 100 units in my active bankroll.

    Poor bankroll management has broken countless of otherwise winning bettors as they bet too much on a small amount of outcomes and everyone can run bad from time to time.

  18. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rich M: Nygaard-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson
    Benson-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Haas-Sheahan-Archibald

    He needs better PK Dmen. His bottom pair is a mess.

    Russell would fit well there.

  19. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: For me, Nygard hasn’t shown enough to warrant that kind of push, and the No. 2 line you suggest is not fast. LOVE the idea of a young line like that one, if the Oilers had 2010 Horcoff I’d agree in a heartbeat.

    I dont’ worry too much about line 2’s speed.

    Its the only outscoring trio on the team without a McDavid on it this year. Seems to work so use it.

    You can put anyone at 1LW with 97-44. That’s a slot that can rotate through Khaira etc.

    x-97-44 has 62.5% GF (5-3) and 60% xGF in 65 minutes this year when x isn’t Drai. Probably doesn’t matter a whole lot to the results who the LW is.

    I don’t see 1LW in this case as “an elevation” or “promotion” its the residual of trying to get lines 2 and 3 not to bleed.

    Drai needs to back off his 5v5, might as well make it an outscoring line and a fun one at that.

  20. jp says:

    FWIW, some Condors over their last 5 games (the team is 2-2-1):

    Player——– GP G-A-TP +/- Sh
    Benson——- 5 2-4-6 -3 11
    Cave———- 5 3-1-4 0 18
    Marody——- 5 1-3-4 -5 6
    Maksimov—- 5 1-3-4 2 3
    Yamamoto— 5 2-1-3 -2 6
    Malone——–5 1-1-2 -2 12
    Gambardella 5 1-1-2 -2 9
    Currie——— 5 1-1-2 0 15
    McLeod——- 5 0-2-2 2 3

    Samorukov– 5 0-2-2 2 6
    Persson—— 5 0-2-2 -2 7
    Bouchard—- 5 0-1-1 -4 8
    Lagesson—- 5 0-0-0 -3 9

  21. dessert1111 says:

    i wonder if the waivers are to clear a roster spot for a trade instead of a callup. D for F? Will need to trade a D before the fall at some point.

  22. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd,

    The Farm is devoid of any legitimate goal scorers, and if you can’t dominate the AHL how are you going to be a 25-35 goal man in the NHL

    Benson’s AHL scoring is tracking in the same class of player that produced Tyfolli, Zucker, M.Granlund, Anisimov, JT Miller, Kadri, Krejci and Connolly.

    I try not to get too hung up on who is scoring the goals.

    I do get hung up on who can help create goals and who can’t.

  23. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    who: The forward they call up will probably depend on how Tippet deploys the big 3.
    If he runs them all at center, then Benson seems like the logical choice.
    If he runs the big 3 in the top 6, I think they should give Marody a shot at 3C. That would allow them to give Haas a look in the top 6. He is the only depth forward that has looked consistently good in December. I would like to see what he can do with better linemates.
    I don’t understand the Manning move, unless they have a dman hurting. If they bring up Lagesson, who’s going to sit? I have liked Caleb Jones the last few games. Looks like he’s gaining some traction at this level.

    Manning may mean that Benning is coming off the IR

  24. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Dustylegnd,

    Other than the good Lucic trade Holland has reached on a first round pick and changed up the amateur scouting department which is the only area that should have been left alone, and bringing in Detroit scouts is a definite downgrade
    I understand lack of cap space and lack of talent but Holland will only be able to blame his predecessor for so long.

    That’s a good point about the Detroit scouting. If you want to improve our drafting, why forgo a proper search and simply hire who you know? Off the top of my head, Tampa, Winnipeg, and even Ottawa would be places to look for scouting talent.

    Holland reached for Broberg because he was working from Detroit’s list (who were in need of a defenseman) and his schema involves finding another Lidstrom.

    Meanwhile, there were lots of talented forwards available and our farm system is completely bereft of top-six caliber forwards.

    Next, there’s also the Chiasson contract. Why not give a guy who can’t skate, PK, or score at 5v5 2.15m x 2 and hamstring yourself from signing or trading for a more impactful player.

    There’s also the Smith contract. Betting on a rebound year from an aged goalie who’s had a non-elite career is not a move that math nor sound thinking would favour. The contract itself has further hamstrung Holland such that Smith is likely to hit his games played bonuses despite playing terribly.

    Holland also pushed his 50-man contract limit with some questionable additions while not adding any depth to the goalie position.

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Dustylegnd,

    Other than the good Lucic trade Holland has reached on a first round pick and changed up the amateur scouting department which is the only area that should have been left alone, and bringing in Detroit scouts is a definite downgrade
    I understand lack of cap space and lack of talent but Holland will only be able to blame his predecessor for so long.

    Agreed that the Looch trade was outstanding 10/10.

    Like we have done for all EDM GMs starting with Lowe, we can examine each transaction on its own to create an overall picture.

    Past the Neal trade and Haas/Nygaard its kinda thin.

    Almost no one in this blog comments section would have given Chiasson more than $1M x 1, let alone $2.1 x 2.

    Almost no one in this blog comments section would have hired a 37 year old goalie coming off a .898 season for a contract that will cost ~$2.5MM

    Hey look, there’s enough to Connolly or Burakovsky, or Donskoi…….

    I don’t know how the Broberg pick will look in a couple years.

    Early returns on the next 6 F’s off the board is very mixed with only Caufield having a very good season with Zegras, Pldklozin, Boldy, Newhook and Krebs ranging from bad to meh imo.

    Its early days on that draft.

  26. Jethro Tull says:

    Dustylegnd:
    leadfarmer,

    This is a truly terrible roster, the hardest thing to do in hockey is score goals, we have 2 guys that can score goals consistently 5 x 5 and nothing coming as far as we can tell.

    Now I read Lavoie plays with a lack of urgency at the U-20 worlds, perfect now we have a forward and a high 1st round d man with the same deficiencys…… Genius

    Yeah, but those D prospects, Ami Right? Right?

    You know, the ones we can never trade, or play, or even pay when we sign Nurse to an elite D salary.

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I dont’ worry too much about line 2’s speed.

    Its the only outscoring trio on the team without a McDavid on it this year.Seems to work so use it.

    You can put anyone at 1LW with 97-44.That’s a slot that can rotate through Khaira etc.

    x-97-44 has 62.5% GF (5-3) and 60% xGF in 65 minutes this year when x isn’t Drai.Probably doesn’t matter a whole lot to the results who the LW is.

    I don’t see 1LW in this case as “an elevation” or “promotion” its the residual of trying to get lines 2 and 3 not to bleed.

    Drai needs to back off his 5v5, might as well make it an outscoring line and a fun one at that.

    Also, there’s no crime in rotating Benson and Yamamoto to 97’s LW as well.

    I’d just like the soft minute Drai line to come out of the gate humming.

  28. JimmyV1965 says:

    I’m sitting on the fence with Holland. Not sure he can pull off the trades to bring in the forwards desperately needed on this team.

    I don’t think it’s fair to criticize his drafting in recent years though. The 2018 draft could be historic for the Wings. They drafted some serious talent and could graduate four very good players.

    Since 2012, they have drafted these players outside the first round.

    Mattias Janmark
    Tyler Bertuzzi
    Andreas Athanasiou
    Filip Hronek

    That’s a pretty good record. It looks like their 2015 and possibly 2017 drafts may be weak, but Stevie Y has inherited a very good talent pool in Detroit.

  29. JimmyV1965 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    leadfarmer,

    This is a truly terrible roster, the hardest thing to do in hockey is score goals, we have 2 guys that can score goals consistently 5 x 5 and nothing coming as far as we can tell.

    Now I read Lavoie plays with a lack of urgency at the U-20 worlds, perfect now we have a forward and a high 1st round d man with the same deficiencys…… Genius

    Lavoie and his line was one of the best for Canada 5 x 5 against the Americans. Didn’t watch the game yesterday.

  30. Dicky94 says:

    dessert1111,

    Kreider staying after the New Year’s Eve game?

  31. Scungilli Slushy says:

    who: The forward they call up will probably depend on how Tippet deploys the big 3.
    If he runs them all at center, then Benson seems like the logical choice.
    If he runs the big 3 in the top 6, I think they should give Marody a shot at 3C. That would allow them to give Haas a look in the top 6. He is the only depth forward that has looked consistently good in December. I would like to see what he can do with better linemates.
    I don’t understand the Manning move, unless they have a dman hurting. If they bring up Lagesson, who’s going to sit? I have liked Caleb Jones the last few games. Looks like he’s gaining some traction at this level.

    I have mentioned Haas perhaps with Connor. Bcs he seems to be good at what Connor and Leon aren’t doing, which is back check and pick up the read coming back to the D zone. He’s also fast which might abate the way the other two come back.

    Might be the thing and he’s not a puck squarer even if not likely to be a big offensive add.

    Marody might be ok with speedy wingers as the softs 3 line if they keep the other 3 C in the top 6.

    I’m not loving Sheahan 5v5, but baby steps.

  32. Réal Goudenyéu says:

    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.05 (fourth line) (455 mins)

    Yikes

  33. teddyturnbuckle says:

    No harm in calling up a few rookies now. If anything it might send a message to some guys on the roster. I don’t expect any trades to improve the team this year as the Oilers are not a playoff team. What I want to see from Holland is good cap management from now on. Learn from Chaisson contract. If we see 3 + million for kassian and 7+ million for Nurse then it’s time to sharpen the pitch forks.

  34. leadfarmer says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Curious why you have Zegras in the meh to bad range. PPG for NCAA rook is pretty good for first part of season

  35. geowal says:

    Well that was fun. Kazakh showed really well in the 1st, could have had one or two more if they were a little less cute and capitalized on a 5 on 3. Was of course always Finland’s game but it was fun to watch the Kazakh effort.
    #16&14 Kazakh looked pretty good.
    Decent crowd, little over 3000 when it holds ~5000, good atmosphere, and the burgers in Trinec are outstanding, unlike in Ostrava. Bringing home a scarf for our server who helped us print tickets and rush our lunch, I think she’ll be pretty excited.

  36. flyfish1168 says:

    Réal Goudenyéu:
    Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 1.05 (fourth line) (455 mins)

    Yikes

    If he is still feeling the effects of an injury I personally think it’s better to keep him out till it is fully healed.

  37. geowal says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I think many would have brought back Chiasson on a 1 yr cheaper, for PP duty pre-Neal, just not a 2 yr

  38. dessert1111 says:

    Dicky94:
    dessert1111,

    Kreider staying after the New Year’s Eve game?

    I think a young D for a forward at a similar stage in their career is more likely.

  39. Ryan says:

    flyfish1168: If he is still feeling the effects of an injury I personally think it’s better to keep him out till it is fully healed.

    It’s also who he’s playing with.

    His most common linemates are:

    Real Deal
    Chaser
    Jurco
    JJ

    It’s hard to produce when he plays with two Gritensity players especially since both Neal and Chiasson have slow boots.

  40. barry.moore23 says:

    You know, something I have tried to practice (once it was finally pointed out to me after 50+ years of not noticing it) is to not get caught up in ‘because that’s the way it’s always been’ – both in work and personal life. So my wife says to me yesterday “why do you still cheer for that team, they’re making you crazy?”. My response – “because I always have”. Gord help me …….

  41. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    dessert1111: I think a young D for a forward at a similar stage in their career is more likely.

    I could see Holland and Co. being interested in Howden. Not that they should be, but he’s the kind of player I’m used to the Oilers being aroused by.

  42. Ryan says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    I try to look at the underlying process in Holland’s decisions.

    Holland’s a different person than Chiarelli, but his process has some similarities in that he hires guys and players that he knows, and he sort of goes with his gut instincts.

    In contrast, an informed opinion based on analytics would not have suggested betting on a 37-year-old goalie because he’s a competitive guy or Chiasson ostensibly because he’s good in the room and had a hot stick.

    We want to see evidence that our team makes decisions other than on the basis of going with their gut or who they know. We wait.

  43. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    It’s especially unfortunate for us because we were apparently in on at least Connolly and I even recall reading some mention of Edmonton inquiring into Donskoi (I think it was Bob Mack). The pursuit of improvement is ever-hampered by the acceptance of mediocrity.

  44. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Ryan,

    Alas, this is the Oilers. We’re forever cursed with “gut feelings” management to recoup the debt we incurred upon winning the McDavid lottery. The curse shant be undone until Connor is traded out of town.

  45. oilersfan says:

    I made a comment in last nights thread that I would love some further feedback on…

    Yesterday Canada lost to Russia 6-0. Every player on the Canadian team is either a first or second round pick and most are expected to play in the nhl in 3-4 years or sooner.

    I know Podkolzin was a high pick but I suspect up to 15 players on that Russian team haven’t been drafted. Wouldn’t many of them be worthy of a late round pick or a free agent signing , sort of like how nhl teams go after ncaa free agents?

  46. drglen says:

    So management actually doing something, apparently. Keep it coming.

  47. drglen says:

    Maybe he’s making room on the bakersfield roster to park propsects coming our way while trading a veteran core guy ?

  48. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Line combos from practice yesterday:

    Neal-McDavid-Kassian
    Khaira-RNH-Gagner
    Nygard-Draisaitl-Chiasson
    Sheahan-Haas-P Russell

    Klefbom-Bear
    Jones-Larsson
    Nurse-K Russell

    If he’s insistent on punishing players who are struggling, in what world does bumping Neal up the line-up make sense? At least he didn’t go back to the Neal-Drai combo that worked so “brilliantly”.

  49. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Manning may mean that Benning is coming off the IR

    I guess we’ll see. That Athletic article this morning didn’t sound to promising. I’m starting to wonder if Benning shouldn’t just walk away from the game.
    With his concussion history I doubt he has much trade value. I could see a scenario where the Oilers can’t trade him and just choose to not qualify him this summer. Would save over a million on the cap next year if they replace him with Jones or Lagesson.

  50. blainer says:

    I have very little faith in KH. He wants to draft players and would not give up futures for Hall so I doubt it is gonna happen for anyone else this year. It’s probably the correct move this year anyway based on the goaltending.

    KH FIRST play in the off season is to get a F***ing goaltender… please.

    I would have signed Lehner in the off season for three years for the contract he signed for one year.

    It has been a position of need since forever except the playoff year with Tabs.

    Fix the goaltending then go from there. There are deep needs up front but it all means nothing if the goalie can’t stop the puck.. Will be interesting to see how things play out in Arizona without their top goalie. That is their equivalent to losing CMD.

    My prediction is KH is gone after next year.

  51. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    oilersfan:
    I made a comment in last nights thread that I would love some further feedback on…

    Yesterday Canada lost to Russia 6-0. Every player on the Canadian team is either a first or second round pick and most are expected to play in the nhl in 3-4 years or sooner.

    I know Podkolzin was a high pick but I suspect up to 15 players on that Russian team haven’t been drafted. Wouldn’t many of them be worthy of a late round pick or a free agent signing , sort of like how nhl teams go after ncaa free agents?

    Three things:

    1.) The main drivers of the dominant win were NHL draftees, 2.) the old “Russian factor” (more accurate to call it the “competitive alternative factor”) and 3.) a single game doesn’t make a career.

  52. jtblack says:

    Yamamoto and Laagesson recalled

  53. Ryan says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Ryan,

    Alas, this is the Oilers. We’re forever cursed with “gut feelings” management to recoup the debt we incurred upon winning the McDavid lottery. The curse shant be undone until Connor is traded out of town.

    I thought this summer that a guy like Holland would do well paired with a more progressive thinker like Laurence Gilman. Credit to Willis who suggested him this summer as a GM candidate IIRC.

  54. Ryan says:

    jtblack:
    Yamamoto and Laagesson recalled

    According to Leavins, the Oilers are looking at Saad.

    I have no clue how the cap would work or if he’d be a good acquisition at this point.

    Leavins said the Hawks want a d prospect. They’ve shopped those in the Oilers aisle previously.

  55. HenryDrix says:

    Call up Currie and Gamberdalla. Get some guys that will put in the work!

  56. Ari says:

    jtblack:
    Yamamoto and Laagesson recalled

    Surprised it wasn’t Cave. Hopefully Lagesson sees the ice this time.

  57. Sierra says:

    who:
    With his concussion history I doubt he has much trade value. I could see a scenario where the Oilers can’t trade him and just choose to not qualify him this summer. Would save over a million on the cap next year if they replace him with Jones or Lagesson.

    I can see this scenario as well.

  58. Sierra says:

    Ryan: According to Leavins, the Oilers are looking at Saad.

    I have no clue how the cap would work or if he’d be a good acquisition at this point.

    Leavins said the Hawks want a d prospect. They’ve shopped those in the Oilers aisle previously.

    I’m surprised the Hawks want D prospects. Didn’t they lose 2 starters last week?

  59. McSorley33 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I know what you’re saying, how can I possibly put Neal on the fourth line and run two absolute rookies in the top six. My answer: What are the alternatives?

    Well, knowing what we now know about Drai and his effect on McDavid for the past month I’d start (as Tippett has now) by separating them.

    If you’re bringing up both Benson and Yamamoto why not go:

    Nygaard-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson
    Benson-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Haas-Sheahan-Archibald

    An honest to goodness softer minutes outscoring line where the rookies don’t have to beat the other teams’ best and Drai can get ~12 5v5 minutes a night and re-charge his depleted batteries.

    Neal-Nuge-Chiasson have a 55.6% GF and 61.8%xGF in 121 minutes together.

    Its the only outscoring line you can cobble together on this roster that doesn’t include McDavid. I think its best to use it.

    This is interesting.

    By eye, Chaser and Neal barely touch the puck 5×5 against fast teams.

    By playing them in top 6 – you are exposing these truly abhorrent skaters to top 4 D.

  60. geowal says:

    oilersfan:
    I made a comment in last nights thread that I would love some further feedback on…

    Yesterday Canada lost to Russia 6-0. Every player on the Canadian team is either a first or second round pick and most are expected to play in the nhl in 3-4 years or sooner.

    I know Podkolzin was a high pick but I suspect up to 15 players on that Russian team haven’t been drafted. Wouldn’t many of them be worthy of a late round pick or a free agent signing , sort of like how nhl teams go after ncaa free agents?

    The same Russian team lost to the Czechs. I don’t know if the goalie was a factor – but he was pulled end 2nd for the one who shutout Canada. So it’s hard to just what they are from beating a “stacked” Canadian team. Plus they usually have more time so chemistry can always be a thing.

    To directly answer, sure, but:
    -if they’re in KHL they will have some signing restrictions.
    -if they make decent $$ they might not want to make the move if they don’t get a one-way contract.
    I’m all in favour of thoroughly scouting and considering them though.

  61. London Jon says:

    Skills competition about to start. I’m here with the wife – should be fun!

  62. London Jon says:

    Kassian has put his money on Nygard to take Connor for fastest skater 😂

  63. geowal says:

    So if I understand this ranking table it looks like we need to see a regulation win in the US-Russia game, depending how you think this plays out. Sure wish the NHL would adopt this points format (3 pt wins, 2&1 for OT results)

  64. HenryDrix says:

    leadfarmer:
    Dustylegnd,

    Other than the good Lucic trade Holland has reached on a first round pick and changed up the amateur scouting department which is the only area that should have been left alone, and bringing in Detroit scouts is a definite downgrade
    I understand lack of cap space and lack of talent but Holland will only be able to blame his predecessor for so long.

    It’s far to early to judge Broberg.

  65. leadfarmer says:

    Sierra: I’m surprised the Hawks want D prospects. Didn’t they lose 2 starters last week?

    Dump cap.
    Only way I do Saad is if Neal is going back the other way
    Don’t care about corgis. 6 mil is a lot for a 40 point player

  66. leadfarmer says:

    HenryDrix: It’s far to early to judge Broberg.

    It’s never too early.

  67. Alpine says:

    Sierra: I’m surprised the Hawks want D prospects. Didn’t they lose 2 starters last week?

    They traded their one of their best D prospects in the summer to Buffalo, so maybe that’s why. I have no idea what Stan is doing over there. If there’s a weird trade to make, he’s on top of it.

  68. Dustylegnd says:

    blainer:
    I have very little faith in KH. He wants to draft players and would not give up futures for Hall so I doubt it is gonna happen for anyone else this year. It’s probably the correct move this year anyway based on the goaltending.

    KH FIRST play in the off season is to get a F***ing goaltender… please.

    I would have signed Lehner in the off season for three years for the contract he signed for one year.

    It has been a position of need since forever except the playoff year with Tabs.

    Fix the goaltending then go from there. There are deep needs up front but it all means nothing if the goalie can’t stop the puck.. Willbe interesting to see how things play out in Arizona without their top goalie. That is their equivalent to losing CMD.

    My prediction is KH is gone after next year.

    You don’t hire a GM pay him $5 mill x 5 years and can him the next year….full stop

    Holland told Katz that this roster was an unmitigated disaster and would need YEARSssssss to fix it…hence 5 years or fuck off, I will be at the cabin

    How can you look at at the list LT provided this am showing 10 players at a 4th line scoring rate and have come to the conclusion we needed to trade for Hall???

    Our NHL depth is shit with more 3rd and 4th line scoring on the farm…we need to stock pile draft picks and HIT on all of our next three 1st round picks and most of our next three 2nd round picks…..and hit at an unnatural rate in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th etc….etc etc etc…we need to make savvy free agent signings and Savvy trades and on and on and on……the executive team need to be perfect over the next 3 years

    After the 1st 6 months I assign Holland and team a C+…we wait

  69. Alpine says:

    leadfarmer: Dump cap.
    Only way I do Saad is if Neal is going back the other way
    Don’t care about corgis.6 mil is a lot for a 40 point player

    What about his first line 5v5 scoring rates? He’s not on PP1 there anyways.

    Oilers need 5v5 scorers. Not guys who pad their counting stats on PP1.

  70. RonnieB says:

    Larsson + Chiasson for Saad ?

  71. Dustylegnd says:

    HenryDrix: It’s far to early to judge Broberg.

    Sure it is, I would hope however, that he is dominant at every level in the U-20 tournament…. 1st 2 games 0 points and -2….great NHLers don’t leave you wondering about much for very long…thats my concern with Broberg and Bouchard…lots to wonder about

  72. leadfarmer says:

    Alpine,

    That’s fine but where you find 6 mil in cap?
    Neal has to go back. Retain and add a prospect
    But it’s impossible to take on 6 mil

  73. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Alpine: What about his first line 5v5 scoring rates? He’s not on PP1 there anyways.

    Oilers need 5v5 scorers. Not guys who pad their counting stats on PP1.

    He’s also a pretty damn solid two-way player if memory serves. Might be precisely the kind of guy Drai or Nuge could use on their wing at evens. If I can get it done with one of Neal or Russell going back, then I’d be all for it.

  74. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Dustylegnd: Sure it is, I would hope however, that he is dominant at every level in the U-20 tournament…. 1st 2 games 0 points and -2….great NHLers don’t leave you wondering about much for very long…thats my concern with Broberg and Bouchard…lots to wonder about

    He isn’t getting offensive opportunities behind Sandin (pretty much an NHLer), Lundkvist (elite offense in the SHL) or Soderstrom (drafted ahead of him and producing more). Right now he’s playing a role on a 3rd pairing with another lefty and the PK units because his team’s D depth is fantastic- as it usually is. This time next year will be his opportunity to shine in on this stage.

  75. jtblack says:

    Alpine: They traded their one of their best D prospects in the summer to Buffalo, so maybe that’s why. I have no idea what Stan is doing over there. If there’s a weird trade to make, he’s on top of it.

    This is Hollands chance to move Russell.

    Move Russell for Saad. Hawks retain $2 Mil (to balance Cap hits)

    Saad is 27 and only has 1 more year after this on contract. has played 566 games, sonhe should have a few more decent seasons.

  76. London Jon says:

    Zach must have put the yips up Connor!

    Joakim Nygard takes him down. Haas also surprisingly quick…

  77. jtblack says:

    SAAD. 11 goals. 9 ES 2 SH. So thats positive. Hes a Legit NHL Top 6 (9); so if Ken can add him and move Russell. lets do it

  78. Ryan says:

    Just noticed that Stan Bowman also shopped the Swiss league.

    Kubalik for a 5th.

    24 y/o. 11 g and 17 points in 37 games. 1.87 points/60.6’2”

    Why can’t we find Kubaliks?

  79. rickithebear says:

    Before Matt Benning went down Nov 19 game
    Here are the greater than 25 min pairs compared to current 85min dpair ranks.
    Russell – Benning; 162:36; 1 GA; 0.37 evga/60; #1 Dpair
    Manning – Benning; 72:52; 1GA; 0.82 evga/60; #7 Dpair
    Klefbom – Benning; 41:07; 3ga; 2.92; evga/60; #141 Dpair
    Nurse – Benning; 25:04; 2ga; 4.25; evga/60; #203 Dpair, 12th worst

    Since Benning has gone down, nov 21 to Dec. 27
    Our teams record is 6 – 11 – 1

    Nov. 21 to dec. 6 we went 4 – 4 – 0

    Dec. 7 to dec 27 we are 2 – 7 – 1

    The last 10 gm all Dpairs with Goals against compared to the 85 min Dpairs.
    Nurse – bear; 161:45; 12ga; 4.45 evga/60; #208 8 th worst Dpair
    ———————————————————-
    Klefbom – Larsson; 147:49; 5ga; 2.03 evga/60; #59 Dpair
    Russell – Jones; 95:01; 2GA; 1.26 evga/60; #20 Dpair
    Russell – Larsson; 21:13; 1GA; 2.83 evga/60; #133 Dpair
    ————————————————————
    Klef – Persson; 13:27; 1GA; 4.46 evga/60; #208 7 th worst Dpair
    Klef – Jones; 13:13; 1 GA; 4.54 evga/60; #208 7th worst Dpair.
    Nurse – bear; 5:15; 1 ga; 22.86 evga/60
    Larsson – bear: 1:49; 1GA; 32.73 evga/60

    Pairs #2 to 4 played 264:03, 4.40083 60 min segments; gave up 8 ga,
    1.818 evga/60

    Pairs #1 & 5-8 played 195:03, 3.25805 60 min segments; gave up 16 GA
    4.91 evga/60

    All the other pairs played 38:36, 0.64333 60 min segments; gave up 0ga.

    PC brought in the #1 Manning and #2 Larsson evga/60 Dmen from 14-15 & 15-16.

    Other D pairs over full games
    Russell – Jones; 17gm 115:33; 1.04 evga/60
    Russel – Klefbom; 40gm; 154:13; 1.17 evga/60; #16 Dpair
    Russell – Larsson; 18gm; 86:48; 1.38 evga/60; #24 Dpair
    Klefbom – bear; 41gm; 67:25; 1.78 evga/60

    You want top 60 open HD reduction shot Dmen depth on a champ roster.
    Top 25:
    Russell – Benning 0.37
    Manning – Benning 0.82
    Russell – Jones 1.04
    Russel – Klefbom 1.17
    Russel – Larsson 1.38

    Top 60:
    Klefbom – bear 1.78
    Klefbom – Larsson 2.03

    Wonder what a manning – Larsson pair would do.

    It is crazy how everyone looks at offensive needs as a solution.
    First 8 gm with Benning out 27 ga
    3.375 GAA
    Last 10 gm with Benning out 39 ga
    3.90 GAA

    Our best open HD shot reduction Dmen are still
    Larsson 1st comp
    Russell 2nd comp
    Benning 2nd – 3rd
    Manning 2 Nd – 3rd

    But Klefbom has viable results with Russel and Larsson.

    When we look at 20 min PK Dpairs. Over last 2 yrs.
    Gravel – Benning 3.19 pkga/60
    Nurse – Larsson 3.39
    Sekera – Benning 5.03
    Nurse – bear 5.57
    Russell – Klefbom 6.35
    These are the only viable pairs over that period of time.

    18-19
    Larsson – nurse
    Sekera – Benning
    Gravel – Benning
    17-18
    Larsson – Nurse
    Davidson – Klef
    Sekera – Russell
    16-17
    Sekera- Russell
    Russell- Klef

    This yr it is
    Nurse – bear
    Russell – Klef
    Though it is crazy that our best PK Dpair Nurse – Larsson has only played 5 min together on PK this yr.

    PK becomes an issue when considering trading away one of Klef or Nurse for a top 6 fwd.

  80. leadfarmer says:

    jtblack:
    SAAD. 11 goals.9 ES2 SH. So thats positive.Hes a Legit NHL Top 6 (9); so if Ken can add him and move Russell.lets do it

    He would be a great player to mentor Benson and Yammer at 3c
    Just our cap situation is terrible
    Pretty much would need Neal at 50% retained for Saad at 30% retained and add an expiring cap like Ganjay or manning. We’re adding a good prospect or two to that

  81. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto and William Lagesson

    https://theathletic.com/1492495/2019/12/29/lowetide-oilers-recall-kailer-yamamoto-and-william-lagesson/

  82. McSorley33 says:

    Thank goodness they called up Lagesson…..we need LHD help

    Checks LT’s forward scoring numbers above……oh wait.

  83. leadfarmer says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic: Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto and William Lagesson

    https://theathletic.com/1492495/2019/12/29/lowetide-oilers-recall-kailer-yamamoto-and-william-lagesson/

    I’d rather leave Yammer in Bakersfield
    Not much skill to play with and not exactly killing it points wise yet
    I can see him going back in 10 games with his confidence shot

  84. Alpine says:

    leadfarmer,

    Yeah that’s a whole other discussion. I’d assume if Friedman is right, and we are in on him, then there’s a plan to include contracts to balance out the 6 mil or less if CHI retains.

    I don’t know what Bowman is trying to do anymore. He’s added a few pricey LD this past summer so KR probably isn’t an option but with Seabrook down probably for good Stan might overcorrect on his absence.

  85. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Curious why you have Zegras in the meh to bad range.PPG for NCAA rook is pretty good for first part of season

    You’re right Zegras is similar to Caufield so far.

  86. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    geowal:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I think many would have brought back Chiasson on a 1 yr cheaper, for PP duty pre-Neal, just not a 2 yr

    I had 1×1

  87. greenshifter says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    +1 Thank You

  88. JimmyV1965 says:

    My first impression of Saad is meh. But if he hits 20 goals again this year, that’s seven seasons in a row. Have no idea how he skates or defends.

  89. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    McSorley33: This is interesting.

    By eye, Chaser and Neal barely touch the puck 5×5 against fast teams.

    By playing them in top 6 – you are exposing these truly abhorrent skaters to top 4 D.

    Yet their results are them beating the opposition in 120min w/ Nuge in possession, goals and expected goals.

    There are no pictures on the scorecard.

  90. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Alpine,

    That’s fine but where you find 6 mil in cap?
    Neal has to go back.Retain and add a prospect
    But it’s impossible to take on 6 mil

    Neal’s contract runs two years longer than Saad. I really doubt they take that contract back. If Holland manages to pull it off, we should be dancing in the streets naked. Frick. If he can move Russell in the deal I’ll start dancing right now.

  91. geowal says:

    JimmyV1965: Neal’s contract runs two years longer than Saad. I really doubt they take that contract back. If Holland manages to pull it off, we should be dancing in the streets naked.Frick. If he can move Russell in the deal I’ll start dancing right now.

    Lucic becomes Saad. Dare to dream.

  92. rickithebear says:

    jtblack:
    SAAD. 11 goals.9 ES2 SH. So thats positive.Hes a Legit NHL Top 6 (9); so if Ken can add him and move Russell.lets do it

    The stats above prove how historically bad trading Russell would be based on open shot defence.

    It is like saying “ if we can move Draisaitl”

    Just FO with Larsson, Russell, Benning trades.

    Let’s look at nurse, Benning, Bear, Klef great evening offence.
    652 min is 372 fwd and 216 D
    Nurse
    0.27 evg/60 #419 skater
    0.91 Eva/60 #258 skater
    1.18 evp/60 #363 skater
    Benning
    0.24 evg/60 #435 skater
    0.73 Eva/60 #379 skater
    0.98 evp/60 #435 skater
    Bear
    0.24 evg/60 #435 skater
    0.64 Eva/60 #434 skater
    0.88 evg/60 #460 skater
    Klefbom
    0.18 evg/60 #473 skater
    0.61 Eva/60 #456 skater
    0.80 evp/60 #493 skater

    It is scary you guys consider this influential offence!

    Just get the forwards the puck!
    Become a 3rd/4th option coming down to a abandoned homeplate area providing faith open shot potential.

    Offensive Dman is a reference to the quality of their homeplate defence.

  93. blackadder says:

    Lots of criticism of Holland, some of it justified certainly.

    But at least he hasn’t made panic trades for players like Manning and Petrovic once the December slump hit…

  94. jtblack says:

    rickithebear,

    “Become a 3rd/4th option coming down to a abandoned homeplate area providing faith open shot potential.”

    Not sure what that means. I like Drai, never said anything about moving him.

    I dont like Russell. He supreses offense. $4 Mil x 4 yrs was too much for Russell. CF%, CF REL %, FF%, FF REL %. Russell is poor in all metrics. QofC has been limited against elites. He does have 0 goals and 4 assists.

    Not sure where the value is.

    If Ken can move Russell, I am in favor

  95. geowal says:

    Americans beat the Russians. Canada will not win any tie-breakers with Russia. Americans seem unlikely to lose again, almost certainly through to the quarters anyways.
    (Even if they lose to Czech, they should win Russian and German tie breakers. IF Canada wins it’s two games in regulation, they would end up taking the pool, somewhat amazingly after last night. Or they could not advance if they lose one.
    Crazy tight pool, especially compared to the B pool. “B” indeed.

    Also, how about this Arthur Kaliyev fellow. I thought Lt was high on him…😉

  96. geowal says:

    blackadder:
    Lots of criticism of Holland, some of it justified certainly.

    But at least he hasn’t made panic trades for players like Manning and Petrovic once the December slump hit…

    He definitely is more Tambellini than Chiarelli so far, I’ll give him that. Whod’ve thought that would be a compliment 5 years ago? His callup options are a year further along than before, May as well see where they’re at. Or if he does make a trade, keep the “everybody here and on tv correctly knew it was a bad trade the moment it was made” factor to a bare, bare minimum.

  97. geowal says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I had 1×1

    That’s fine, but you were saying most/all posters or something to that effect. I don’t think 1.5-1.75 x 1 would’ve riled many up.
    But that said, you were/are right in what was the right value to give.

  98. rickithebear says:

    Black adder:

    Trading for one of the best open HD reduction Dmen is bad.

    You do not understand the science of the game.

    It is not the 80’s.

    LT pointed out there are 2 championship teams ( Pennats)

    You win those championships with strong GA since the mid 90’s.

  99. Scungilli Slushy says:

    geowal:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    I think many would have brought back Chiasson on a 1 yr cheaper, for PP duty pre-Neal, just not a 2 yr

    Not me. Can’t skate, can’t be in the NHL today. Which is why he was jobless. Because Oilers.

    For me there is a checklist players have to meet, Not every box checked off, but the right combo.

    The Oilers have a lot of players that don’t have the right combo of boxes checked. A player needs more than one or two traits, and the right balance which is largely based on skill vs size, unless that trait is elite level scoring,

    On this team only Connor checks that box. Leo is dependent on others for his scoring, like Nuge. For example if you put Gagner’s brain and skill in Kassian’s physical package, you’d have a heck of a player there.

    Genetic science and extreme surgical procedures give us hope for the future of the Oilers. Hopefully Katz is funding a research lab at the U of A 🙂

  100. SwedishPoster says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I have mentioned Haas perhaps with Connor. Bcs he seems to be good at what Connor and Leon aren’t doing, which is back check and pick up the read coming back to the D zone. He’s also fast which might abate the way the other two come back.

    Might be the thing and he’s not a puck squarer even if not likely to be a big offensive add.

    Marody might be ok with speedy wingers as the softs 3 line if they keep the other 3 C in the top 6.

    I’m not loving Sheahan 5v5, but baby steps.

    I’d love to see Haas with Drai actually. Drai likes speedy linemates and Haas as you mention is strong on the backcheck which is something Drai has struggled with of late. Haas also seems to have the ability to move the puck in the right direction when he’s on the ice. There’s a german speaker connection as well though the germans I know(and a lot of the swiss as well tbh) tend to call schweizerdeutsch an abomination…

  101. pts2pndr says:

    blainer:
    I have very little faith in KH. He wants to draft players and would not give up futures for Hall so I doubt it is gonna happen for anyone else this year. It’s probably the correct move this year anyway based on the goaltending.

    KH FIRST play in the off season is to get a F***ing goaltender… please.

    I would have signed Lehner in the off season for three years for the contract he signed for one year.

    It has been a position of need since forever except the playoff year with Tabs.

    Fix the goaltending then go from there. There are deep needs up front but it all means nothing if the goalie can’t stop the puck.. Willbe interesting to see how things play out in Arizona without their top goalie. That is their equivalent to losing CMD.

    My prediction is KH is gone after next year.

    On a one to ten ranking of stupid that would rate a ten. Could happen #Oilers

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is hoping that Samorukov gets a bump up the lineup in Willie’s absence – hopefully he moves up from 3LD to plays 1LD with Bouchard, as opposed to Lowe – unlikely.

    Here is hoping that either McLeod or Maksimov get a boost up to Yamamoto’s spot on the 2nd line with Malone and Joe G.

  103. drglen says:

    so it’s yamo and lagesson.

    Good call on lagesson.

    If yamo is up and Benson is passed over again, they don’t have much faith in Benson. Or maybe they are just holding back on him a bit longer ( as they work on a hockey trade)

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie was lined up on PP1 in Lafreinere’s absence.

    Wonder if Rodrigue will be dressed tomorrow morning or maybe even see the net given Dahl’s 4GA X 2.

  105. pts2pndr says:

    barry.moore23:
    You know, something I have tried to practice (once it was finally pointed out to me after 50+ years of not noticing it) is to not get caught up in ‘because that’s the way it’s always been’ – both in work and personal life. So my wife says to me yesterday “why do you still cheer for that team, they’re making you crazy?”. My response – “because I always have”.Gord help me …….

    </blockquote
    When we are talking about an individual or organization doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results we refer to this as insanity and or years of tradition unhampered by progress. When we continue being a fan of a franchise win or lose we correctly call this loyalty. There is no shame in loyalty wether it be friendship, family or being a true fan of a franchise. There is a difference in my opinion.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Unbelievable that Valeno got a one game suspension for this headbut:

    https://twitter.com/tsn_sports/status/1211403247732371458?s=21

  107. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SwedishPoster: I’d love to see Haas with Drai actually. Drai likes speedy linemates and Haas as you mention is strong on the backcheck which is something Drai has struggled with of late. Haas also seems to have the ability to move the puck in the right direction when he’s on the ice. There’s a german speaker connection as well though the germans I know(and a lot of the swiss as well tbh) tend to call schweizerdeutsch an abomination…

    Curious why they haven’t tried him up, maybe the dearth of bottom 6 C?

    If he could help out Drai on line 2 that’s a free internal fix.

    One reason I like Haas with Connor is strong side faceoffs. Especially if Leon isn’t on the line.

  108. Scungilli Slushy says:

    drglen:
    so it’s yamo and lagesson.

    Good call on lagesson.

    If yamo is up and Benson is passed over again,they don’t have much faith in Benson. Or maybe they are just holding back on hima bit longer ( as they work on a hockey trade)

    Maybe they know what they have in Benson and aren’t sure about Mighty Mouse. Want to see him against NHL comp. Benson’s game is suited to the NHL as his draft card had hard to knock off puck, good edges, board play and puck protection as strengths.

  109. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Jimmy was saying yesterday that they need 2 players to become a decent team, some didn’t agree.

    I find we look at other team’s rosters and if they are doing well that team is stacked, and the majority of Oiler players are awful. We also think that GM is a genius, their drafting impeccable.

    And the next season or two it’s a different team, like clockwork. Remember the vaunted Detroit model? Now Holland is useless. Don’t read much about the mighty Lightning these days.

    Surely the Oilers ice some replacement level players. Still, if we look at Connolly, why is he doing well? A 27 YO career .385 PPG player?

    It’s context. DAily faceoff had him 2nd line with the skilled Trochek, on an established team with a set roster, and other really good forwards.

    Plunk him on our team and I guarantee his season looks different, not that he wouldn’t help. If a team can keep amassing better players eventually the tipping point is reached, as with the Avs this season.

    But one guy isn’t turning a team around. Not all of the underperforming OIlers are bad players, would recover on a better, established team.

    If the Oilers found 2 more top 6 wingers, the balance on the team would be pushed quite a bit to the good. The worst forwards pushed off the roster, and the best of the worst having their skill concentrated.

    Healthy Saad would change Nuge’s world.

  110. BONE207 says:

    JimmyV1965: Neal’s contract runs two years longer than Saad. I really doubt they take that contract back. If Holland manages to pull it off, we should be dancing in the streets naked.Frick. If he can move Russell in the deal I’ll start dancing right now.

    Jimmy…aren’t you in the Philippines? Easy for you to dance naked in the streets. Here in Edmonton we would have to drink a bottle dry & run through the snow (albeit it is a nice day).

    An astute move by Old Dutch would go a long way towards allaying the fears of Lowetidians.

  111. oilersfan says:

    OP

    Nice to have you back. I value your comments. WAs worries others had offended you too much so you left.

    How do you feel about Yamo vs Benson?

    Strange but to me I feel these winters have too many right shots as it is…

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie was already practicing on PP1 today and, without Lafreniere and Valeno tomorrow, I wonder if he gets moved up the lineup at evens……..

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maybe not though – looking at the 5 on 5 lines, McMichael was moved up to 1LW and, obviously, Lavoie isn’t going to take Valeno’s center spot.

  114. dessert1111 says:

    Surprised at Yamo over Benson, both based on their seasons to date and the fact that we already had fewer LWs even before Granlund was sent down. And if Draisailt is playing C, that’s even more true.

    I’ve been wrong many many times before but I am sensing a trade.

    I hope Lagesson actually sees game action this time – sit Russell or Jones to give him a couple games before Benning is back then make a decision.

  115. Sierra says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Maybe they know what they have in Benson and aren’t sure about Mighty Mouse. Want to see him against NHL comp. Benson’s game is suited to the NHL as his draft card had hard to knock off puck, good edges, board play and puck protection as strengths.

    So make decisions based on things other than winning?

  116. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Sierra: So make decisions based on things other than winning?

    Ha!
    I’m not sure if one is going to help more than the other, I was driving at perhaps it is about winning, still ‘assessing’. Hopefully faster than the last ‘assessment’.

    Maybe a tradeski. or 3.

  117. pts2pndr says:

    rickithebear:
    Black adder:

    Trading for one of the best open HD reduction Dmen is bad.

    You do not understand the science of the game.

    It is not the 80’s.

    LT pointed out there are 2 championship teams ( Pennats)

    You win those championships with strong GA since the mid 90’s.

    Hi Ricki
    Just an early Happy New Year!
    I am of the belief that we have options to replace Russel at a lower cap hit. I believe Lagesson has the ability to disrupt the cycle plus is a better outlet passer and defends the Ricki box at a lower cap hit. So while I understand your point I believe that we would be better served by moving on from Russel. I believe that Russel is a warrior but at this time with cap restraints the correct move, is to move Russel.
    Ki

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    rickithebear:
    Black adder:

    You do not understand the science of the game.

    Of course, the game is not played within a data base or on a spreadsheet.

    Its important to to know the science/math but its just as important to know to use it as a tool and a piece of information in the greater context of the sport and how the game actually plays out in reality which often does not strictly “follow the numbers”.

  119. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner to start tonight – both ends of the back to back.

    Not surprisingly the call-up (Hebig) and place-downs (Granlud/Manning) not in the lineup.

    Peluso is in for Kailer – not sure who moves up the lineup for Willie and Kailer (hope its Sammy and Maksimov but assume its Lowe and, hmmmm, Esposite or Stukel).

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    so it’s yamo and lagesson.

    Good call on lagesson.

    If yamo is up and Benson is passed over again,they don’t have much faith in Benson. Or maybe they are just holding back on hima bit longer ( as they work on a hockey trade)

    As far as calling up Kailer over Benson, I think its a function of “style of play” and the fact that Yamamoto is a more energetic and tenacious player. His box cars throughout the season do not do his game justice. He was by far the best forward on the ice for either team last night – he set up Joe G. for a breakaway and Malone for a tap in – both missed. He drew three penalties in the 1st period. He plays PK1 and does an effective job. His game has developed in to much more than box cars and his box cars would be much better if he played with better finishers (he plays with Malone and Joe G – good AHL players but not the most skilled finishers).

    We’ll see how his game translates to the NHL level – he could be back in the AHL in two weeks or, perhaps, he finds a role on a middle six energy line or even fits in on a primary skill line – playing with better skill in the NHL often leads to these types of forwards having better NHL numbers than AHL numbers.

    Looking forward to Tuesday.

  121. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Here is hoping that Samorukov gets a bump up the lineup inWillie’s absence – hopefully he moves up from 3LD to plays 1LD with Bouchard, as opposed to Lowe – unlikely.

    Here is hoping that either McLeod or Maksimov get a boost up to Yamamoto’s spot on the 2nd line with Malone and Joe G.

    Agreed.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilersfan:
    OP

    Nice to have you back. I value your comments. WAs worries others had offended you too much so you left.

    How do you feel about Yamo vs Benson?

    Strange but to me I feel these winters have too many right shots as it is…

    I was fine with either and actually just posted my thoughts on why they chose Yama.

    I think its a speed/energy/broader range of skills conclusion.

  123. McSorley33 says:

    OriginalPouzar: As far as calling up Kailer over Benson, I think its a function of “style of play” and the fact that Yamamoto is a more energetic and tenacious player.His box cars throughout the season do not do his game justice. He was by far the best forward on the ice for either team last night – he set up Joe G. for a breakaway and Malone for a tap in – both missed.He drew three penalties in the 1st period. He plays PK1 and does an effective job.His game has developed in to much more than box cars and his box cars would be much better if he played with better finishers (he plays with Malone and Joe G – good AHL players but not the most skilled finishers).

    We’ll see how his game translates to the NHL level – he could be back in the AHL in two weeks or, perhaps, he finds a role on a middle six energy line or even fits in on a primary skill line – playing with better skill in the NHL often leads to these types of forwards having better NHL numbers than AHL numbers.

    Looking forward to Tuesday.

    I am deeply cynical about most things Oilers.

    But I have always been a huge fan of Kailer.

    I think he is a NHL player.

    Appreciate your updates like this.

  124. G Money says:

    Annual reminder:

    Never

    *clapping hands emoji*

    Ever

    *clapping hands emoji*

    EVER

    *clapping hands emoji*

    Use GA

    *clapping hands emoji*

    (or its close relative on ice sv%)

    *clapping hands emoji*

    To evaluate

    *clapping hands emoji*

    Defensemen!

    *clapping hands emoji*

    ***************************

    Thank you, this has been a PSA from Your Local Unbearable Analytics Know-it-All ™

    *wink*

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowe and Persson starting the game together – gives me hope we’ll see Sammy up with Bouchard.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov still with Esposito and Cave.

    Kulevich with Bouchard.

    Blah.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Cave opens the scoring with a very skilled play – skates the puck through a bunch of Barracuda and snaps one home.

    Shift before, top line with some great pressure and Benson was robbed.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Malone with a PP goal – kind of an ugly one as he bounces it in off two defenders but the Condors are up 2-0 early.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    Keegan Lowe goes back for a puck retrieval on a dump-in – even with a forechecker – bad luck that the puck bounces right out to the slot for a quick strike goal.

    2-1

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    McLeod is on the PP with Bouchard, Malone, Cave and, I believe, Joe G.

    That unit started both PPs.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Esposito picks the pocket of the d-man and buries a shortie.

    3-1 Condors.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors with a great execution of a 3 on 2 – cross ice pass from Benson to Marody – good low shot on net, Currie buries the rebound.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Miles Koules with his first as a Condor – rips one from the bottom of the circles on a semi 2 on 1.

    5-1 Condors with 14 minutes left in the second.

  134. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: As far as calling up Kailer over Benson, I think its a function of “style of play” and the fact that Yamamoto is a more energetic and tenacious player.His box cars throughout the season do not do his game justice. He was by far the best forward on the ice for either team last night – he set up Joe G. for a breakaway and Malone for a tap in – both missed.He drew three penalties in the 1st period. He plays PK1 and does an effective job.His game has developed in to much more than box cars and his box cars would be much better if he played with better finishers (he plays with Malone and Joe G – good AHL players but not the most skilled finishers).

    We’ll see how his game translates to the NHL level – he could be back in the AHL in two weeks or, perhaps, he finds a role on a middle six energy line or even fits in on a primary skill line – playing with better skill in the NHL often leads to these types of forwards having better NHL numbers than AHL numbers.

    Looking forward to Tuesday.

    I wouldn’t bet my money on your beliefs even though I love your posts. By my visual Yamamoto is a set up player not a finisher. He is an average NHL skater with a shot he could practice in a hotel lobby and not break a window. His hockey IQ is above average but that is all. He is a tweener. I wish him all the best but having seen him from his draft season forward this is how I see him. I truly hope I am wrong but his injury woes speak to lack of size and lack of speed. His inability to excel as an AHL player speak to his lack of speed and finish. Waddles like a duck talks like a Trump ( see his remarks re draft) probably an over sell on a duck!

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Joe G. and Sammy with apples on the Koules goal.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    Mad scramble in the defensive zone on a PK – Skinner with some good battle saves but then one is banked in off a couple of Condors from behind the net and in.

    5-2 Condors.

  137. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks for the updates!

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Game on – Jason Gregor’s nephew snaps one to make it a 5-3 game with a few minutes to go in the second.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Beauty goal by the Condors. 3 on 1 among Bouch, Currie and Cave – tick tack tick tack toe and Bouchard puts it in – Currie with the ultimate pass over to Bouch.

    6-3 Condors to the second intermission.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts&pndr: I wouldn’t bet my money on your beliefs even though I love your posts. By my visual Yamamoto is a set up player not a finisher. He is an average NHL skater with a shot he could practice in a hotel lobby and not break a window. His hockey IQ is above average but that is all. He is a tweener. I wish him all the best but having seen him from his draft season forward this is how I see him. I truly hope I am wrong but his injury woes speak to lack of size and lack of speed. His inability to excel as an AHL player speak to his lack of speed and finish. Waddles like a duck talks like a Trump ( see his remarks re draft) probably an over sell on a duck!

    Most of that wasn’t really my thought on what’s going to happen but my thoughts on why the org may have called him up over Benson – yes, of course, they are my thoughts on what I hope will happen and could happen.

    He may very well prove to be a tweener, for sure, however, he’s not even half a season in to his second pro season – he’s a developing prospect right now. We are about to see how his development translates to the NHL – it may not but we will find out.

    I can’t full agree that he hasn’t excelled at the AHL level – nope, the points aren’t there but I think his box cars under-represent his play – he contributes/creates many scoring chances – every period – he’s playing with solid AHL veterans but those without great skill.

    I’m curious to see how he does over the next few weeks.

  141. Jaxon says:

    I feel bad for Benson. He leads the AHL team in scoring over the last 96 games. He outscored Yamamoto in the regular season and the playoffs in the WHL the season before that. He’s 6 months older than Yamamoto. He’s left-handed on a team short of lefties. He is a hard-working, unselfish, 200-foot player, who is hard to knock off the puck. He’s overcome major adversity with his injury woes. What more does he need to do? That’s gotta sting a bit.

  142. Dicky94 says:

    Jaxon,

    I think Yamo is being shopped.

  143. oilersfan says:

    I wonder if it’s Yamo, Jones and Neal for Saad?

    That would cheer this fan up

  144. Harpers Hair says:

    oilersfan:
    I wonder if it’s Yamo, Jones and Neal for Saad?

    That would cheer this fan up

    Saad is injured.

  145. Wilde says:

    starting super late on tonight’s game

  146. VanIsleOil says:

    Harpers Hair: Saad is injured.

    ….well this makes me saad.

  147. Scungilli Slushy says:

    oilersfan:
    I wonder if it’s Yamo, Jones and Neal for Saad?

    That would cheer this fan up

    Maybe that would sway some folks to the GMs camp, because it would mean he invented GMing.

  148. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors v. San Jose Barracuda; December 29, 2019; first run

    Benson – Marody – Currie
    Esposito – Cave – Maksimov
    Gambardella – Malone – Koules
    Stukel – McLeod – Peluso

    Lowe – Persson
    Kulevich – Bouchard
    Samorukov – Day

  149. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Wait wait wait…

    The condors just won a game 7-5, but only had 18 shots all game!?!? And one of those shots was the empty net goal at the end?!?!?

    That has to be some sort of record or something… What stupidly bad goalering for the Barracuda…
    If only the oilers would be so lucky to play a team that shit the bed like they did.
    Nope, oilers don’t get to be that lucky. #becauseoilers

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors were full value for thew win – their goals came on high danger opportunities,

    The score represents the game moreso than the shot clock – Condors had a multiple goal lead almost the entire game.

  151. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors v. San Jose Barracuda; December 29, 2019; 5-on-5; after Period One:

    9CF-6CA
    3FF-1FA
    1GF-1GA

    Top F: Cave (1.21 Game Score)
    1 shot attempts, 0 primary shot assists, 40.00 primary shot contribution %
    1 goal
    2CF-0CA
    1GF-0GA

    Top D: Samorukov (0.61 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 0 primary shot assists, 50.00 primary shot contribution %
    1 (primary) assist
    5CF-1CA
    1GF-0GA

  152. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors v. San Jose Barracuda; December 29, 2019; 5-on-5; after two Periods:

    17CF-27CA
    7FF-12FA
    3GF-2GA

    Top F: Marody (1.51 Game Score)
    1 shot attempt, 6 shot assists
    1 assist
    9CF-3CA
    1GF-0GA

    Top D: Kulevich (0.21 Game Score)
    1 shot attempt, 0 shot assists
    5CF-5CA
    1GF-0GA

  153. YKOil says:

    Jones/Yamamoto would line up pretty well with Chicago’s rebuild.

  154. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    YKOil:
    Jones/Yamamoto would line up pretty well with Chicago’s rebuild.

    What about our rebuild??

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