Standing on the Shoreline (First Day of 2020)

by Lowetide

Each January 1 on this blog, I write a post with the same title. Often the verbal is decidedly downbeat. Here’s a passage from last year: “Peter Chiarelli trying to fix the holes with a mountain of silicone sealants and a glue gun, while Ken Hitchcock is trying to get his three dressed up to look like nine. Six losses in a row. The call is coming from inside the house.” You know, fun stuff.

Last night had everything: A blowout through most of two periods, absolute panic in the last 21 minutes, an injury to Oscar Klefbom and some good work by Kailer Yamamoto with the game on the line. The game was entertaining while also being life threatening. If you have high blood pressure, I hope you PVR’d the third period. Holy crap!

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: James Neal puts on New Year’s Eve show to remember in Oilers’ thriller
  • New Lowetide: Midseason review of ‘reasonable expectations’ shows Oilers are on track with preseason targets
  • New Jonathan Willis and Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How are our Oilers predictions holding up at the midseason mark? We decided to find out
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers midseason report card shows an unbalanced team with a lot of replaceable parts
  • Lowetide: Oilers recall Kailer Yamamoto and William Lagesson
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘If I have another one in a short time, my career could be over’: Recent head injuries concerning Oilers’ Matt Benning
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers have actual problems; Connor McDavid’s defensive game is not among them
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers waive veterans Markus Granlund, Brandon Manning in Saturday shakeup
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We didn’t come with the mindset to play a hard game’: Poor preparation leaves Oilers coach steaming
  • Lowetide: Edmonton Oilers’ goaltending depth chart in need of talent injection
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ fleet centre prospect Ryan McLeod finding the range with the Bakersfield Condors
  • Jonathan Willis: Leon Draisaitl is struggling badly, even as the Oilers’ depth forwards seem to be coming around
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 5 prospect, Winter 2019 — Raphael Lavoie
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 4 prospect winter 2019: Tyler Benson
  • Lowetide: Oilers No. 3 prospect winter 2019: Ethan Bear
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 2 prospect winter 2019: Philip Broberg
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ No. 1 prospect winter 2019: Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 42 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-22-3, 37 points; goal differential -22
  • Oilers in 2016: 21-14-7, 49 points; goal differential +5
  • Oilers in 2017: 18-21-3, 39 points; goal differential -21
  • Oilers in 2018: 20-19-3, 43 points; goal differential -6
  • Oilers in 2019: 21-17-4, 46 points; goal differential -7

This year’s team isn’t quite last year and is a little shy (especially in goal differential) of the playoff team. Cam Talbot had a .919 SP after 34 games on New Year’s Day 2017, Mikko Koskinen has a .912 SP after 25 games this morning. Maybe that’s the difference.

OILERS IN DECEMBER

  • Oilers in December 2015: 6-6-2, 14 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in December 2016: 7-2-5, 19 points; goal differential +2
  • Oilers in December 2017: 7-5-1, 15 points; goal differential +3
  • Oilers in December 2018: 6-7-1, 13 points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in December 2019: 5-8-1, 11 points; goal differential -12

Oilers were -12 goal differential in 14 games, that’s always going to be a tough month unless it’s 1985. Speaking of, Edmonton hasn’t won a NYE game since 1985.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN DECEMBER

  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 1-0-0)
  • At home to: OTT, LAK, BUF, CAR (Expected 2-1-1) (Actual 1-2-1)
  • On the road to: MIN (Expected 1-0-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: TOR (Expected 0-1-0) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • On the road to: DAL, STL (Expected 0-2-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: PIT, MTL (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: VAN (Expected 0-0-1) (Actual 0-1-0)
  • At home to: CAL, NYR (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 6-6-2, 14 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-8-1, 11 points in 14 games

After all that, the club comes within three points of my prediction. Honestly. It was a painful month. I would like it to be followed by ‘Winning Month’ please and thanks. Light a candle for Klefbom, all numbers NST and five on five unless noted.

OILERS 2019-20

LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 12:07, going 13-12 Corsi, 8-6 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC.

James Neal scored three goals, two on the power play plus an assist with the man advantage. Man he has quick hands. Strong game. Send the damned pick to Calgary, this thing is over. Connor McDavid had two shots, won nine of 20 in the dot and had a PP assist. He was brilliant, but on a night when the pucks weren’t going in (gorgeous setup for Nurse). Zack Kassian’s sweet pass to Neal got Edmonton off and running. Four shots, HDSC and a takeaway. Played well. That pass to Neal is what Kassian is going now consistently and it’s going to get him paid.

LINE 2 Jujhar Khaira-Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-Sam Gagner played 10:01, going 9-14 Corsi, 6-6 shots, 1-2 goals, 3-5 HDSC and 1-6 offensive-defensive zone starts.

Jujhar Khaira had an assist, shot, HDSC, three giveaways plus another even strength assist. Nuge had a great game, despite winning just two of 10 on the dot. He scored a goal, had two HDSC, all three of his assists came on the power play. Like McDavid, he was setting up linemates who didn’t cash. Sam Gagner had three shots, three takeaways and sat in the penalty box for a minor penalty. He was also dreadful in coverage.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Leon Draisaitl-Josh Archibald played 8:48, going 7-14 Corsi, 3-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-2 HDSC.

Joakim Nygard had a takeaway and drew a penalty, his speed was useful at both ends of the ice. Leon Draisaitl had two giveaways and two takeaways, going 6-6 in the faceoff circle. His goal came on the power play. Josh Archibald had a goal, two shots and like Nygard his speed was useful all over the ice.

LINE 4 Riley Sheahan-Gaetan Haas-Kailer Yamamoto played 6:46, going 5-8 Corsi, 2-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 0-1 HDSC. Interesting this line had no offensive zone faceoffs and three in the defensive zone. Tippett said Yamamoto is a “tenacious player with good hands” and that’s a great description.

Riley Sheahan had an assist and 1:15 on the penalty kill, he played a rambunctious game. Gaetan Haas had a shot on goal and was in the photo a lot. Kailer Yamamoto had a strong debut, two shots (both solid looks), a takeaway and some physical play. Scored the seventh goal when New York pulled their goalie, made the entire play. He intercepted a pass, made a fine outlet pass to Khaira, received it, ignored the thrown stick (which made it an automatic goal no matter the actual result) and ended New York.

PAIRING ONE Oscar Klefbom and Ethan Bear played 11:36, going 10-13 Corsi, 6-5 shots, 2-0 goals, 2-4 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom had a strong game until the injury, Hail Mary full of grace. Klefbom had an assist, plus a power play assist, three shots with the man advantage. Three giveaways five on five. Ethan Bear had an assist, a shot, four giveaways and a takeaway. Blocked six shots. Passed like a God.

PAIRING TWO Darnell Nurse and Kris Russell played 11:04, going 10-17 Corsi, 6-8 shots, 1-1 goals and 1-1 HDSC. Pairing had one offensive and six defensive zone starts.

Darnell Nurse had one shot, a giveaway and four blocked shots. He also hit the post with an absolute cannon of a shot. Kris Russell drew a penalty and had a giveaway.

PAIRING THREE William Lagesson and Adam Larsson played 9:04, 8-15 Corsi, 4-7 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-3 HDSC. Pairing had three offensive and five defensive faceoffs.

William Lagesson had one shot and two giveaways, he looked mostly under control during the game. Adam Larsson defended a lot, had one giveaway.

GOALIE Mikko Koskinen stopped 27 of 32, .844. I’m not going to blame him for the five goals against, they were brilliant shots or tipped and often involved defensive breakdowns in front of him. Maybe you’d like his glove to be outside the goal when he catches it, but the key item was Gagner not contesting the cross-ice bullet. I’ll be interested to read your thoughts on Koskinen’s performance.

Goals Against

On the Kreider goal, three on two against Nurse and Larsson. Kassian first forward back and he’s working hard but won’t get there. Skjei (I think it was Skjei) bulls Larsson, Nurse goes inside to block a free lane to Panarin, and Panarin sends a great pass to Kreider who cashes. Nurse stayed in the middle to cover Panarin, counting on Kassian to thwart the pass. High skill Rangers. My take is Nurse had to suppress the pass across, even though it might mean Panarin one on one with the goalie. Your mileage may vary.

On the Strome goal, Panarin gains the zone far left side. He stops up and uses the downtown traffic (Strome with his mark 89 coming in together) to gain separation from Kris Russell (Sam Gagner getting in the way). Panarin pass to Fox, almost intercepted by Nuge, Fox to Strome and bang it’s in. Who had Strome? I’d say Gagner but he never actually had Strome.

The Marc Staal goal begins with the big defenseman carrying the puck through the neutral zone. Drop pass to Panarin, far left at the blue line again. Oilers are four back and in good shape. Staal drives to the net, both men on the pairing back in (Russell, Larsson). Sam Gagner with the soft coverage, doesn’t prevent pass to slot, where Staal, Larsson and Russell have all congregated. Shot from Strome tipped by Staal.

The Panarin goal starts with an alley oop to the neutral zone, Adam Larsson throws it but it lands in Hades (at Panarin’s feet). Man that guy is good. Panarin enters the zone going the speed of light, with William Lagesson and Larsson obeying the speed limit and skating backwards. Lagesson does a good job of keeping Panarin to the outside (his shot comes from the right side dot) but it’s a perfect shot and that’s all she wrote.

The Zibanejad goal starts with Adam Fox at the LW position in the Oilers zone. Pass back to Tony DeAngelo, back to Fox, through Sam Gagner (who had lost his stick) and Zibanejad rifles a shot that Koskinen stops, but only after it enters the net. Lordy.

CONDORS 2019-20

Condors lost in overtime, it was an interesting game with several notable items. Evan Bouchard had six shots on goal, Markus Granlund did not play. Kirill Maksimov scored again, he is now 2-2-4 in four games. I swear to you it’s an annual happening: Prospects muddle through until Christmas and then take off after December 25. It’s been happening in the AHL forever.

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Woodguy v2.0 January 1, 2020 - 8:40 am

19/20
EDM Goal Share after 42 games (21-17-4)

Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
McDavid On Ice 43-40 (52%)
McDavid Off Ice 35-60 (37%)
Net EV = -22

Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
37-23
Net ST +14

Empty Net
7-10
Net EN = -3

SO & PS
2-1
SO & PS = +1

Net Goal Differential = -10

Woodguy v2.0 January 1, 2020 - 8:41 am

WC standings using points percentage shown as game over/under fake Bettman .500

Central
STL 17
COL 10
DAL 8

Pacific
VGP 7
VAN 6
ARI 6

Wildcard
WPG 7
NSH 4

Out of playoffs
EDM 4
CGY 3
MIN 2
CHI 1
ANA -3
LAK -4
SJS -4

-NSH has 4 (!) games in hand on EDM.

Relevant games today:

NSH (+105) at DAL (-125) – Pretty standard line with the home team favoured a bit.

This is the outdoor game in DAL today and the only game in the NHL today.

If DAL wins, EDM slides into the the last wildcard spot.

GO SEXSEY!!

*clapclap*

Woodguy v2.0 January 1, 2020 - 8:42 am

EC standings using points percentage shown as game over/under fake Bettman .500

Metropolitan
WSH 18
NYI 15
PIT 13

Atlantic
BOS 17
TBY 8
TOR 8

Wildcard
CAR 10
PHI 9

Out of playoffs
FLA 6
CBJ 4
NYR 3
MTL 2
BUF 0
OTT -3
NJD -5
DET -18

-TBY and TOR gain some daylight on FLA.
-BUF and MTL slip sliding away

Relevant games today: none

Woodguy v2.0 January 1, 2020 - 8:44 am

The call is coming from inside the house

I posted EDM’s 5v5 GF% and Goal Differential per season and totals from Hall’s rookie year until today in a single pic on twitter:

https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1212397976397606913

“The Edmonton Oilers. Where the call has been coming from inside the house since 2007”

meanashell11 January 1, 2020 - 8:50 am

Happy New Year everyone. I sure hope 2020 is better than 2019 on every level. 2019 really sucked!

I really enjoyed that game last night and while I wish we would have played a bit tighter in the third I think this blowing off some steam will be good for the lads.

Watched the game here in Connecticut with some Rags fans and they took their jerseys off after the second. Did not put them back on in the third!

James Neal, who woulda thunk.

Glovjuice January 1, 2020 - 9:00 am

Panarin is the best player I have seen play this year. He has an allseeing command in the offensive zone. Had no idea he was this good. McDavid has Mozart genius level speed and hands but Panarin’s vision across the full zone is better. Oh, and I agree with Limit on many levels. Drai and McDavid WILL need to change their overall game for this team to take the next step. WG can stamp his feet and swear at posters all he wants but some of us are correct in what we say. At 12.5 and 8.5 large, a slightly better all round game is reasonable to expect.

Reja January 1, 2020 - 9:10 am

Any word on how long Kelfbom is out with his annual injury,

Melman January 1, 2020 - 9:11 am

I find it truly bizarre/fascinating that Gagner, who seems to be a reasonably intelligent fellow (?), has played in the NHL for 10+ years and is still terrible defensively. How does a player not fix that in his game? Hasn’t he ever watched old footage of his dad?

Nit64 January 1, 2020 - 9:13 am

Woodguy v2.0: WC standings using points percentage shown as POINTS over/under fake Bettman .500

Ftfy #nit

dustrock January 1, 2020 - 9:28 am

Glovjuice:
Panarin is the best player I have seen play this year. He has an allseeing command in the offensive zone. Had no idea he was this good. McDavid has Mozart genius level speed and hands but Panarin’s vision across the full zone is better. Oh, and I agree with Limit on many levels. Drai and McDavid WILL need to change their overall game for this team to take the next step. WG can stamp his feet and swear at posters all he wants but some of us are correct in what we say. At 12.5 and 8.5 large, a slightly better all round game is reasonable to expect.

Well, for the month of October people were talking about Drai getting Selke consideration. Overreaction as always but he’s either hurt or tired or both.

Hard to ask McDavid and Draisaitl to be all things for everyone.

dustrock January 1, 2020 - 9:29 am

Happy new year and hopefully the roaring 20s will bring us at least Tapioca-level performance rather than another Decade of Darkness.

doritogrande January 1, 2020 - 9:43 am

Markus Granlund did not play.

Does the AHL still have their 5 veteran rule, and could that be contributing to Granlund’s scratch?

GordieHoweHatTrick January 1, 2020 - 9:57 am

dustrock: Well, for the month of October people were talking about Drai getting Selke consideration. Overreaction as always but he’s either hurt or tired or both.

Hard to ask McDavid and Draisaitl to be all things for everyone.

Drai was playing a very different game in October than he has since.
The criticisms of faults in his play since are well founded and admitted by the player himself.
It’s ok to be objective and cheer for the player and the team.

GordieHoweHatTrick January 1, 2020 - 10:00 am

Last night was a microcosm of the season…
Brilliant out of the gate, then complacency and chaos

ArmchairGM January 1, 2020 - 10:03 am

That last shift by Yamamoto was gold. A fantastic job taking away Zibanejad’s stick in front to deny a 10-bell opportunity off a Strome feed, then seconds later picking off Panarin’s cross ice pass and turning on the jets for a well deserved empty net goal.

The kid’s a keeper.

GordieHoweHatTrick January 1, 2020 - 10:05 am

The forward lines are interesting
I wonder if it would be better to switch Nygaard and JJ to add a speedy forechecker to the nuge line and “better goal scorer/shooter” to the Drai line?

JP would look nice in place of Gag…

I like Sheahan as a winger on the 4th

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 10:11 am

Woodguy v2.0,

Jeez. a few takeaways.

Since Hall trade:

McD on was 62% now down to 52%. Wonder if that is just a weaker overall team since his 1st couple years.

The McD OFF is also cratering nicely each year.

The Playoff team jumps out like crazy. 48.9% McD OFF – HELLO !!

Lastly, given multiple coaches, GM’s and Scouts – this can only be considered an overall Organizational Failure (Structure, Performance, Hockey Ops, etc).

#THISISUS

JimmyV1965 January 1, 2020 - 10:11 am

GordieHoweHatTrick: Dari was playing a very different game in October than he has since.
The criticisms of faults in his play since are well founded and admitted by the player himself.
It’s ok to be objective and cheer for the player and the team.

I agree. I don’t think any player is above criticism, even the best in the world. In Edmonton, however, we have a long tradition of blaming the best players for the results of a crappy team. We’ve seen what happens when that narrative becomes accepted. I think Drai needs to be better, but I still cringe when I hear the negative comments, especially things like leadership, work ethic, intensity blah blah blah, meaningless words that don’t enlighten anyone.

PS. I’m not pointing to you specifically. Just addressing the issue in general.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 10:16 am

“Kirill Maksimov scored again, he is now 2-2-4 in four games. I swear to you it’s an annual happening: Prospects muddle through until Christmas and then take off after December 25. It’s been happening in the AHL forever.”

—————————–

As we keep being told, the gap between the CHL and the AHL is massive, many think larger than the gap between the AHL and the NHL.

Most 20 year AHL rookies take some time to settle in – to learn the pro game, to get used to the speed and, importantly, just how strong the players are. Its men not kids – literally – lets think about that.

As I said prior to the season – my hope for Sammy was to work his way to the top 4 by the end of the year and my hope for Maksi was to work his way to the top 6 with some PP time by the end of the year.

They are on their way.

tileguy January 1, 2020 - 10:16 am

Drew Ramada says, “when you lose your stick go to the bench right away and get a new one or at least stand next to a man and stay with him”. Gagner did neither, looked hilarious, almost like a swarm of bees was after him.

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 10:18 am

Happy New Year everyone!

A wild one for sure. I’m really hoping Haas and Nygaard get it figured out this season. I like the speed they add. But they have to get something done on the scoresheet as well. Both better than Gagner though IMO, or more helpful overall.

We wait, yet again. I’m predicting it’s sell this year. Because nobody will want to do the Oilers any favours. And hopefulyy Klef is going to be ok.

knighttown January 1, 2020 - 10:19 am

I strike up last nights collapse to tactics.

I simply will never understand why a team chooses to defend a lead like that. Collapse into a PK-like box for 40 seconds and if you don’t get scored on, chip it out and line change while big-time puck transporters like Fox and Skjei skate downhill and do it again. Only give up 5 so job well done boys. On to Buffalo.

Coaches are aware that score effects don’t have to exist right? If I was a coach I would understand that score effects is simply mathematical proof that passively defending a lead less to worse outcomes than continuing to push the pace and take chances.

But especially against a team like the Rangers who don’t defend well. If you keep playing in their zone you’ll get some chances and more importantly limit their offensive guys.

JimmyV1965 January 1, 2020 - 10:22 am

My son is a Red Wings fan. I just love the broadcast crew. Mickey Redmond is the colour guy and a real gem. He can be critical of the team, but does it in a way that doesn’t make fans angry. He probably understands after playing on some godawful Wings teams for a decade.

I’m not a huge Remenda fan, but he’s much better than some colour guys. My biggest issue is that he doesn’t seem to back off on the criticism when the team is getting pounded. IMO the Bruins broadcast crew is the worst in the NHL. They bring new meaning to the term homerism.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 10:23 am

Watching Flames live and Lucic lumber around last night; on the same night as Neal scored a Hatty; its important we recognize what Ken did there.
Edm is a bubble team WITH Neal and his 19 Goals. If the LUCIC / NEAL trade doesnt occur; Edm is probably under .500. Thank You Ken.

Edm has lost so many trades over the last decade, but even with Neal’s shortcomings, this is a clear cut WIN. WELL DONE KEN

Andy Dufresne January 1, 2020 - 10:23 am

My opinion of Koskinens game?

Georgiev broke his stick over the cross bar. Im surprised that Koskinen didnt break his stick over Gagner’s noggen…..at the behest of Dave Tippett.

Im a little surprised that Tippett hasnt yet been able to shape this roster into a Tippett style team. A team that can lock down a lead. (Although, I think we have won several one goal games..so things have progressed a little at least)

Its only been 3 months and alot of evaluation / experimentation needed to occur. The Yamamoto callup was probably more a call up for Tippett style hockey ( bench / eliminate Granlund and Gagner ). Minimize mistakes and sloppy defensive play as opposed to call up Yamo for more offense

Koskinen is like a 1B Goalie. He looks OK at times / bad at times / good at times / great occasionally… on a middling team. Might look like a 1A on a stronger team. (ala Dubnik).

I like Koskinens compete level and his calm demeanor. Two attributes this defensively challenged team really needs. Hes not pointing fingers at any of his team mates which he would certainly be entitled to do at times.

On a better team Koskinens save percentage would be well north of .915 imo

JimmyV1965 January 1, 2020 - 10:27 am

knighttown:
I strike up last nights collapse to tactics.

I simply will never understand why a team chooses to defend a lead like that. Collapse into a PK-like box for 40 seconds and if you don’t get scored on, chip it out and line change while big-time puck transporters like Fox and Skjei skate downhill and do it again. Only give up 5 so job well done boys. On to Buffalo.

Coaches are aware that score effects don’t have to exist right? If I was a coach I would understand that score effects is simply mathematical proof that passively defending a lead less to worse outcomes than continuing to push the pace and take chances.

But especially against a team like the Rangers who don’t defend well. If you keep playing in their zone you’ll get some chances and more importantlylimit their offensive guys.

I would be stunned if this is coached. Even casual fans understand score effects. Players naturally default to this defensive posture. And I think it’s worse for teams that are fragile, afraid to lose and almost expecting bad things to happen.

tileguy January 1, 2020 - 10:27 am

Andy Dufresne,

I like Koskinens compete level and his calm demeanor. Two attributes this defensively challenged team really needs. Hes not pointing fingers at anhy of his team mates which he would certainly be entitled to do at times.
On a better team Koskinens save percentage would be well north of .915 imo

Yep, a quiet leader.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 10:29 am

“Prospects muddle through until Christmas and then take off after December 25. It’s been happening in the AHL forever.”.

I find same with CHL draft eligibles. Always try to break down their last 35 games as the back half of the season can be very impressive compared to the overall season stats”

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 10:35 am

Watched Flames – Hawks Live

Flames look dis jointed ?? back end with Haminic Kykington Andersson Stone was not good.

Hawks looked good Kane is a stone cold killer. Toews looks like a $5 mil player; never gonna cover that contract ($10.5 Mil per).

18 yr old Kirby Dach did not look out of place. Hes 6G 5A 11 P, all ES. 47% CF. He was playing with Debrincat and Strome. Skilled young line.

Andy Dufresne January 1, 2020 - 10:35 am

I/We like James Neal. I/We loved the trade.

James Neal is part of winning equation in 2020……but is he part of a winning equation in 2021? 2022? Beyond?

His trade value will never be higher than it will be at this years trade deadline. Do you pull the trigger if you can rid yourself of the contract at little or no cost?

Material Elvis January 1, 2020 - 10:38 am

Andy Dufresne:
I like James Neal. I loved the trade.

James Neal is part of winning equation in 2020……but is he part of a winning equation in 2021? 2022? Beyond?

His trade value will never be higher than it will be at this years trade deadline. Do you pull the trigger if you can rid yourself of the contract at little of no cost?

Yes. But how many takers will there be for that contract?

Ben January 1, 2020 - 10:43 am

Andy Dufresne:
I like James Neal. I loved the trade.

James Neal is part of winning equation in 2020……but is he part of a winning equation in 2021? 2022? Beyond?

His trade value will never be higher than it will be at this years trade deadline. Do you pull the trigger if you can rid yourself of the contract at little of no cost?

He’ll score 30 this year, more than worth the $.

But he gets so little done at 5v5, can’t move particularly well and isn’t getting younger.

If Holland can get out of this contract for free and spend the cap on Hoffman or similar, it’s an absolute masterstroke.

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 10:44 am

Andy Dufresne:
I like James Neal. I loved the trade.

James Neal is part of winning equation in 2020……but is he part of a winning equation in 2021? 2022? Beyond?

His trade value will never be higher than it will be at this years trade deadline. Do you pull the trigger if you can rid yourself of the contract at little of no cost?

You ditch that contract without thinking twice, especially when he has good goal totals. May never happen again, who knows? I hope he gets 30. That should actually be an org goal for the back half.

He has hands, but the Oilers need two way forwards. One dimensional forwards are exactly what the problem is, too many either can’t defend or can’t score, 5v5 I mean.

But I don’t think over payed players with term move at the deadline much, more a summer deal.

JP’s mission in Oiler world might be in getting rid of that contract chain.

Andy Dufresne January 1, 2020 - 10:51 am

Woodguy v2.0:
The call is coming from inside the house

I posted EDM’s 5v5 GF% and Goal Differential per season and totals from Hall’s rookie year until today in a single pic on twitter:

https://twitter.com/Woodguy55/status/1212397976397606913

“The Edmonton Oilers.Where the call has been coming from inside the house since 2007”

The plaque over the door of the Oilers locker room door should read… “SOMEONE answer the damn phone !”

Ryan January 1, 2020 - 10:53 am

jtblack:
Watched Flames – Hawks Live

Flames look dis jointed ??back end with Haminic Kykington Andersson Stone was not good.

Hawks looked goodKane is a stone cold killer.Toews looks like a $5 mil player; never gonna cover that contract ($10.5 Mil per).

18 yr old Kirby Dach did not look out of place.Hes 6G 5A11 P, all ES.47% CF.He was playing with Debrincat and Strome. Skilled young line.

How did Kubalik look?

The Oilers need to find ways of acquiring Kubaliks.

Oilman99 January 1, 2020 - 10:58 am

tileguy:
Andy Dufresne,

I like Koskinens compete level and his calm demeanor. Two attributes this defensively challenged team really needs. Hes not pointing fingers at anhy of his team mates which he would certainly be entitled to do at times.
On a better team Koskinens save percentage would be well north of .915 imo

Yep, a quiet leader.

Panarin, Strome, and Zibanejad exposed Koskinen’s weak glove hand last night. Everybody was shooting top corners, probably on inside info from Strome’s time here.

Victoria Oil January 1, 2020 - 10:59 am

I would describe the last 21 minutes as:

Koskinen – little to blame
Panarin – absolutely brilliant
Gagner – horrible defensively

barry.moore23 January 1, 2020 - 11:06 am

“They are on their way.”

OP,
Your infatuation with prospects is cute. You do know that the Oilers have no idea how to build around the best prospects in the world so none of it really matters anyway, yes ? See the last 20 years as a guide. Oh, this team …..

tileguy January 1, 2020 - 11:13 am

Oilman99: Panarin, Strome, and Zibanejad exposed Koskinen’s weak glove hand last night. Everybody was shooting top corners, probably on inside info from Strome’s time here.

Isn’t there a law about using insider information?

oilersfan January 1, 2020 - 11:27 am

This whole narrative about Connor and Leon being frustrated and eventually wanting a trade is frustrating to hear and a poor argument.

I agree they are fantastic offensive players but in the last 6 weeks they have both been extremely poor defensive players. When you see guys like Pageau and Panarin being plus 20 on poor to mediocre teams and dragging up their line mates like Connor Brown and Ryan Strome 5×5 you realize how much room there is for improvement for our two super stars.

I know wood guy gets pissed off when fans blame the best players for the teams failures , but in this case Leon and Connor’s extremely poor defensive play is a big part of the team’s problem. From my recollection Taylor Hall was quite a bit better defensive player than with Connor or Leon (other than the first month of this season for Leon). Taylor was and is like a dog on a bone trying to get the puck back in the defensive Zone with an excellent awareness for his responsibility. He made Nuge and Eberle likely 30-50% better offensively than without. Those two owe Taylor 30% of those fat $42 million contracts they got. Connor and Leon drive play for sure but here Leon is -20 and Taylor was usually a plus player on worse teams than this. Leon deserves a ton of the defensive blame being put on him by fans this last six weeks. I don’t know if it’s injury or burnout but to win games we need the October Leon, quick!

Connor hasn’t been as bad but he is “also in photo” far more than he should be if he wants to win Stanley cups and neither of them can blame the organization for the results they are getting 5×5, which are below league average , which is unacceptable for such elite offensive players.

ashley January 1, 2020 - 11:35 am

Andy Dufresne:
My opinion of Koskinens game?

Georgiev broke his stick over the cross bar. Im surprised that Koskinen didnt break his stick over Gagner’s noggen…..at the behest of Dave Tippett.

Ima little surprised that Tippett hasnt yet been able to shape this roster into a Tippett style team. A team that can lock down a lead. (Although, I think we have won several one goal games..so things have progressed a little at least)

Its only been 3 months and alot of evaluation / experimentation needed to occur. The Yamamoto callup was probably more a call up for Tippett style hockey ( bench / eliminate Granlund and Gagner ). Minimize mistakes and sloppy defensive play as opposed to call up Yamo for more offense

Koskinen is like a 1B Goalie. He looks OK at times / bad at times / good at times / great occasionally… on a middling team. Might look like a 1A on a stronger team. (ala Dubnik).

I like Koskinens compete level and his calm demeanor. Two attributes this defensively challenged team really needs. Hes not pointing fingers at any of his team mates which he would certainly be entitled to do at times.

On a better team Koskinens save percentage would be well north of .915 imo

Good analysis. It is for these reasons that my opinion on goalies diverges from Woodguy’s “mostly goalie” term for hockey. Just looking at the goalie performance is overly simplistic. A goalie’s performance is a highly complex interaction with team performance.

We can see this with “bad” goalies suddenly having multiple good years in a row when switching teams and vice versa. Crawford, Elliot, Dubnyk are all examples. An example from way back? Dwayne “the drain” Roloson was not known for dominating the NHL before coming to the Oilers and dominating the NHL. Important footnote? CFP was patrolling the back end and the likes of Horcoff, Peca, and Pisani were great defensive forwards. Panarin doesn’t get those chances with those guys on the ice.

Koskinen is inconsistent and seems to lose confidence for periods of time, but is better than I expected this year so far based on past performance. Smith has been ok too, but has gotten the raw end of the stick on games where the Oilers forwards haven’t shown up to defend their own end.

Save percentage should be considered a team metric, not a goalie metric.

SwedishPoster January 1, 2020 - 11:35 am
tileguy January 1, 2020 - 11:38 am

Nurse, Larson, Neal, Chaser, Kassian, JJ. I really hope they do make the playoffs, this good be one heavy, nasty team to play against.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 11:41 am

Glovjuice:
Panarin is the best player I have seen play this year. He has an allseeing command in the offensive zone. Had no idea he was this good. McDavid has Mozart genius level speed and hands but Panarin’s vision across the full zone is better. Oh, and I agree with Limit on many levels. Drai and McDavid WILL need to change their overall game for this team to take the next step. WG can stamp his feet and swear at posters all he wants but some of us are correct in what we say. At 12.5 and 8.5 large, a slightly better all round game is reasonable to expect.

Given McDavid is 22 years old and about 4-5 years from his actual overall prime as a player (not necessarily his offensive prime), I expect him to become a much better player over the next few years.

Similar with Drai although he is a year older – we’ve already seen the 2-way stud that Drai can be – consistency will come with experience and further development and, of course, increased forward help (allowing for less load).

Lets not forget, neither of these players are in their primes (nor are Nurse, Bear, etc.) – the only core players that are in their primes are Nuge and Klef and they have multiple prime year’s left.

McSorley33 January 1, 2020 - 11:41 am

tileguy:
Drew Ramada says, “when you lose your stick go to the bench right away and get a new one or at least stand next to a man and stay with him”. Gagner did neither, looked hilarious, almost like a swarm of bees was after him.

Sam has been pure comedy in his own end since 2007/2008.

Incredible that he still allowed to put on an NHL jersey.

Have to think Tippett is getting close to giving up on him.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 11:44 am

Melman:
I find it truly bizarre/fascinating that Gagner, who seems to be a reasonably intelligent fellow (?), has played in the NHL for 10+ years and is still terrible defensively. How does a player not fix that in his game? Hasn’t he ever watched old footage of his dad?

I think the Gagner’s defesive game is MILES better than his first stint as an Oiler and he is a much better 2-way player as a winger.

He had a BAD night defensively last night but I don’t think its representative of his general play this year.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 11:47 am

Ryan: How did Kubalik look?

The Oilers need to find ways of acquiring Kubaliks.

he was decent. I did watch him cause you or someone else mentioned him on here.

Boqvist looked good. New age D man ; smaller with great passing / puck ability.

McSorley33 January 1, 2020 - 11:48 am

JimmyV1965:
My son is a Red Wings fan. I just love the broadcast crew. Mickey Redmond is the colour guy and a real gem. He can be critical of the team, but does it in a way that doesn’t make fans angry. He probably understands after playing on some godawful Wings teams for a decade.

I’m not a huge Remenda fan, but he’s much better than some colour guys. My biggest issue is that he doesn’t seem to back off on the criticism when the team is getting pounded. IMO the Bruins broadcast crew is the worst in the NHL. They bring new meaning to the term homerism.

Posted this before.

The Red Wing crew is my favourite….they always try to talk about the opposition team.

Wings shut out the Sharks last night.

How far are the Sharks going to fall?

Sierra January 1, 2020 - 11:50 am

Oilman99: Panarin, Strome, and Zibanejad exposed Koskinen’s weak glove hand last night. Everybody was shooting top corners, probably on inside info from Strome’s time here.

Or they listened to their advance scouts or watched some game film

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 11:50 am

doritogrande:
Markus Granlund did not play.

Does the AHL still have their 5 veteran rule, and could that be contributing to Granlund’s scratch?

Yes, the rule is still in place.

I don’t think it was what kept Granlund out last night as I think only Lowe, Manning, Malone would have qualified as veterans last night.

Actually, maybe Currie counts too, depends on if his ECHL games are included.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 11:59 am

McSorley33: Posted this before.

The Red Wing crew is my favourite….they always try to talk about the opposition team.

Wings shut out the Sharks last night.

How far are the Sharks going to fall?

OTTAWA currently holds pick #3 & pick #5. Could be one heck of a haul for them.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 12:06 pm

ArmchairGM:
That last shift by Yamamoto was gold. A fantastic job taking away Zibanejad’s stick in front to deny a 10-bell opportunity off a Strome feed, then seconds later picking off Panarin’s cross ice pass and turning on the jets for a well deserved empty net goal.

The kid’s a keeper.

I agree that there is indeed an NHL player there and watching most of his games in the AHL this year I’ve altered my expectation of the type of NHL player he will be.

I no longer project him to be a legit top 6 winger but more of a middle six player with plus skill that can, of course, fill in as a top 6 winger. He’s got skill but he’s not a great finisher. He’s a scoring chance creator though.

His game last night was kind of what he’s shown in the AHL this year – he’s not “fast” but he’s quick and he’s got a great stick and solid positioning, in all zones – he can create turnovers in all zones. He has and creates energy and is tenacious. He didn’t PK last night but he was PK1 down in the AHL and it will be something he does at the NHL level.

This is just his second year pro – he will get a bit stronger and he will develop further.

I agree, there is a player there – maybe not the player we (I) thought we might get when he was drafted at 22nd overall but a legit NHL player that will help this team – and likely with a manageable cap hit.

Sierra January 1, 2020 - 12:07 pm

oilersfan:
This whole narrative about Connor and Leon being frustrated and eventually wanting a trade is frustrating to hear and a poor argument.

I agree they are fantastic offensive players but in the last 6 weeks they have both been extremely poor defensive players. When you see guys like Pageau and Panarin being plus 20 on poor to mediocre teams and dragging up their line mates like Connor Brown and Ryan Strome 5×5 you realize how much room there is for improvement for our two super stars.

I know wood guy gets pissed off when fans blame the best players for the teams failures , but in this case Leon and Connor’s extremely poor defensive play isa big part of the team’s problem. From my recollection Taylor Hall was quite a bit better defensive player than with Connor or Leon (other than the first month of this season for Leon). Taylor was and is like a dog on a bone trying to get the puck back in the defensive Zone with an excellent awareness for his responsibility. He made Nuge and Eberle likely 30-50% better offensively than without. Those two owe Taylor 30% of those fat $42 million contracts they got. Connor and Leon drive play for sure but here Leon is -20 and Taylor was usually a plus player on worse teams than this. Leon deserves a ton of the defensive blame being put on him by fans this last six weeks. I don’t know if it’s injury or burnout but to win games we need the October Leon, quick!

Connor hasn’t been as bad but he is “also in photo” far more than he should be if he wants to win Stanley cups and neither of them can blame the organization for the results they are getting 5×5, which are below league average , which is unacceptable for such elite offensive players.

Solid post

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 12:07 pm

McSorley33: Sam has been pure comedy in his own end since 2007/2008.

Incredible that he still allowed to put on an NHL jersey.

Have to think Tippett is getting close to giving up on him.

He wouldn’t be if he hadn’t come to the Oilers.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 12:09 pm

LT: looking forward to your January “what to expect”.

Tough 5 game roadie to start

Brantford Boy January 1, 2020 - 12:10 pm

Happy New Year!

I’ll admit I had a “few, two many drinks” last night hosting a gathering and had the game on with music playing. I missed the Klefbom injury, can someone post what happened? Did he block a shot or get nailed into the boards or something?

Cheers!

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 12:13 pm

McSorley33: Posted this before.

The Red Wing crew is my favourite….they always try to talk about the opposition team.

Wings shut out the Sharks last night.

How far are the Sharks going to fall?

All the way down. Burns will be 35, half of Karlsson 31, Couture 31, PIckles 33. Not much else except their new shiny lottery player coming.

A long road ahead methinks.

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 12:21 pm

Kassian was the prime kulprit on the Kreider goal. He was responsible for the three on two because he was daydreaming and out for a skate in the offensive zone, and was late getting back to cover his man as result.

Nurse was doing his job. Kassian failed to do his.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 12:23 pm

THE SCORE ranked everyteam over thelast decade.

Chicago #1
……
Edmonton #30 ?

flyfish1168 January 1, 2020 - 12:27 pm

Problem starts with Sammy ESTOI, he is weak there since he doesn’t have awareness around him and his skating. He doesn’t keep his head on a swivel which is needed at even strength play. He is best on PP but on our team he can’t make the 1st PP unit. PK he is to slow. Not sure how he will stay in the NHL.

Sierra January 1, 2020 - 12:30 pm

godot10:
Kassian was the prime kulprit on the Kreider goal.He was responsible for the three on two because he was daydreaming and out for a skate in the offensive zone, and was late getting back to cover his Manas a result.

Nurse was doing his job.Kassian failed to do his.

What are you talking about “he was daydreaming and out for a skate in the offensive zone”. Kassian was going to the net wide open and if a pass had gotten through he had a prime scoring chance. That is about as far from your description as it gets. Your dislike of Kassian shows through in every post of yours that has his name in it.

Pescador January 1, 2020 - 12:31 pm

Scungilli Slushy: All the way down. Burns will be 35, half of Karlsson 31, Couture 31, PIckles 33. Not much else except their new shiny lottery player coming.

A long road ahead methinks.

Their shiny new lottery player is headed to Ottawa (Karlsson trade)

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 12:31 pm

jtblack:
Woodguy v2.0,

Jeez. a few takeaways.

The Playoff team jumps out like crazy.48.9% McD OFF– HELLO !!

Eberle, Pitlick, Pouliot, and Lander and the last good Letestu season say Hi. Maroon too. But Lucic had Maroon’s money.

McSorley33 January 1, 2020 - 12:38 pm

Scungilli Slushy: All the way down. Burns will be 35, half of Karlsson 31, Couture 31, PIckles 33. Not much else except their new shiny lottery player coming.

A long road ahead methinks.

I wonder if this might be be the last year of Doug Wilson as GM in San Jose?

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 12:41 pm

jtblack:
THE SCORE ranked everyteam over thelast decade.

Chicago #1
……
Edmonton #30

The Athletic rated them too.

Buffalo last..Oilers next to last.

The Toilet Bowl coming up tomorrow.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 12:47 pm

Harpers Hair: The Athletic rated them too.

Buffalo last..Oilers next to last.

The Toilet Bowl coming up tomorrow.

Buff bought high after a Career year by Jeff Skinner.

He has 7 yrs remaining at $9 mil per He has 11 G 19 P thru half a season.

Thats how you keep on Losing. Over pay players entering or on the wrng side of their prime.

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 12:57 pm

jtblack: Buff bought high after a Career year by Jeff Skinner.

He has 7 yrs remaining at $9 mil perHe has 11 G 19 P thru half a season.

Thats how you keep on Losing.Over pay players entering or on the wrng side of their prime.

Yep.

Having said that, they appear to be in pretty good shape if Dylan Cozens and Casey Middlestat develop as expected.

They also have 5 RHD on their current roster and should be able to parlay a couple of them into draft picks at the deadline

Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 1:01 pm

Yamamoto (KG’s pick) gets the callup nod over Benson (Chiarelli/OEG pick).

The call is still coming from inside the house. The chairs move but the song remains the same.

This org really needs to start making more decisions on the basis of the numbers and less on internal groupthink.

Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 1:03 pm

McSorley33: I wonder if this might be be the last year of Doug Wilson as GM in San Jose?

Between the Karlsson acquisition and the DeBoer firing, he probably deserves the pink slip.

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 1:04 pm

Sierra: What are you talking about “he was daydreaming and out for a skate in the offensive zone”. Kassian was going to the net wide open and if a pass had gotten through he had a prime scoring chance. That is about as far from your description as it gets. Your dislike of Kassian shows through in every post of yours that has his name in it.

There was no way a pass was going through. The Rangers had the play snuffed out. And it was not McDavid or Draisaitl making the pass. It was an extreme hope and pray skate out of position by Kassian, and then he quit on the last two strides in a desperate attempt to get back to cover Kreider.

Schitzo January 1, 2020 - 1:35 pm

OriginalPouzar:

I agree, there is a player there – maybe not the player we (I) thought we might get when he was drafted at 22nd overall but a legit NHL player that will help this team – and likely with a manageable cap hit.

Also, it’s important to keep in mind that late first rounders are nowhere near guaranteed to have a meaningful NHL career. Finding a middle six winger at 22 is a win in my mind.

Lowetide January 1, 2020 - 1:35 pm

SwedishPoster:
LT the Broder Daniel fan? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L5IJQ23HmPo

Or Anna Ternheim? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fDfbrdQKwjk

Nothing so exotic. I was listening to the radio one day, and heard a song with a haunting melody. The opening verse talked about ocean’s daughter and something about waves, and then the second verse was about breakdown on the shore line. In my mind’s eye, I had the singer alone on a shore line contemplating the ocean’s daughter and waves and new things to experience.

Probably had a lot to do with where I was at the time. Anyway. that’s where the title came from. The song is “Can’t Get it out of my Head” by the Electric Light Orchestra.

New Improved Darkness January 1, 2020 - 1:57 pm

GordieHoweHatTrick:
Drai was playing a very different game in October than he has since.
The criticisms of faults in his play since are well founded and admitted by the player himself.
It’s ok to be objective and cheer for the player and the team.

The energy management required for a forward to play 29 minutes-per-game eventually rewires the brain, and pretty soon grit is no longer your first instinct. As such a forward you take half a step on the canny/clever option burning off 200 precious milliseconds, before realizing “damn, my mark is flying out there”. And now you’re fucked, because you simply can’t give Panarin—and his slick imposing ilk—a 200 ms head start. And then the puck is lodged deep in the back of your own net where the red lamp glows but the sun never shines. “Ick poo” as Bill the Cat used to say.

———

I didn’t follow the game last night, so I picked in up on the YouTube reel this morning. At the 4–0 mark I was about ready to bet breakfast that the game state would soon pass through 5–5. And I was very nearly right.

But losing my first bet was okay, because I went double or nothing on a second mental wager risking second breakfast that the Oiler who had just gained excellent separation in the defensive zone—as the ice began to tilt into a luge run heading the wrong direction—was one wise hobbit, master of tradition and set in his ways.

On YouTube, the video compression algorithm halfway erases the puck whenever they sling it around—even on HD settings—so you never see the gorilla lagging the play until the second pass through. On low quality settings, you can watch an entire PP where both teams imagine the puck for the entire two minutes, as some kind of mass improvisation study conducted on hockey skates. (Long ago, I’m sure I mentioned in these pages Alan Alda’s book If I Understood You, Would I Have This Look on My Face? from 2017, which includes a drill where you both get on top on your wedding night by simultaneously mirroring each other. Only magically, in improv, this actually works. If it weren’t for our inbuilt drive to both get on top, we could have all of the same reproductive instincts, with none of those exquisite nerve endings below the belt. I’m halfway convinced that at their origin those neurons were exclusively evolved to enforce over–under turn-taking, before evolving sideways to stimulate distal hair growth as our arms grew longer than our torsos, out of pure Lamarckism. True story. At one point, where arm length was close-but-no-cigar, half the human population on planet earth had spina bifida to one side or the other; as far as Lamarck was concerning, it was mission accomplished, so finally the old fashioned form of evolution had to step in and finish the job, but the damage was already done, and our species was never broadly ambidextrous ever again.)

———

We won the game, but as a fan in the stands, how do you clap at the end of period three? While simultaneously doing a double face palm? Spilling some beer on your naked thighs, if you attended the game in male or female waterproof hotpants, would permit some wet walrus applause (a win is a win is a win) while maintaining an appropriately humiliated ostrich visage. Only two hands. Only two arms. Sometimes it’s not enough, and you have to improvise.

———

The film I really want to see is a double remake of Antz (1998) combined with Inside Out (2005), wherein there’s a double console in mission control, one to separately emote with each pair of arms. And boy, is there a lot of rivalry between the two consoles, who pretty much never agree on any response. The upper arm pair would definitely have the upper hand in emotive range, what with the entire face and forehead available. (Even if you’re desperately trying not to smear your foundation, you can still do The Scream.) The lower arm pair is largely confined to diffidently crossed, spread wide for WTF?, splitting the difference with hip–hip harrumph, flipping coins, hitchhiking, yo-yo tricks, flinging out a lounge-lizard “hit the road, Jack” with thumb and forefinger extended in the big bang-bang—plus seventy Italian flavours of “bite me” gelato.

At some point, there would surely be a paraplegic ant running a strafing pattern in a manual wheelchair with a sniper rifle and scope. Only its a rather complex scope, combining both a horizontal sighting scope, and a vertical disco-ball periscope, partitioning different facets of the compound ant eye to different purposes in different directions. The forward view in the disco ball is extremely distorted, but it’s good enough to pilot a manual wheelchair with your lower arms while your upper arms pick off stragglers trailing the play.

Being an ant, you can still operate a sniper rifle from the aspect of double face palm. This small factoid has a very great effect on ant culture. As an ant, you can’t really do a proper double face palm, but you can do enough to fuck with your forward vision to make all the other antz extremely nervous about your lower arms uncradling the Arctic Magnum and notching its butt into the not entirely cradle-like lower armpit.

———

Inside Out had a hockey sequence, so you’d have to have that, too. They would actually be a few undersized antz who go double Muggsy Bogues, and play with a short stick using their lower arms. Tough to hit with a long outlet pass, but positive wizards at the short self-pass off their own skate blades.

Face offs involve a low stance with the upper stick arms, while exchanging a bit of Wing Chun across the line of scrimmage—it’s not entirely the same sport—with the free arms.

Lower arm console: We had him so entirely blocked! You could have driven a Caterpillar D9 through the opening, and still you somehow didn’t manage to dig out the puck!

Upper arm console: Yeah, great, but you were blocking my vision at the same time.

Lower arm console: Dude! We have facet eyes. It’s not that easy to block our vision wholesale like you claim it is. Not unless we tip our head backwards—

Upper arm console: —to avoid that pesky eye jab, which you failed to block?

Lower arm console: His short little lower arms aren’t going to take an eye out, not unless we stanced too low to begin with.

Bottom line, it’s pretty hard to share the reality primitive ant vestibular system between two pairs of active arms. Humans had to hang from trees for a million years, just to get one pair of arms fully integrated, and even that would not have been long enough if we’d had stickier feet to mitigate the problem.

———

Another sequence would involve an antz based on the character of Craig Schwartz, the limited human puppeteer from Being John Malkovich (1999). He’d have a ventriloquist act where he wields four separate string paddles which he ambiambidextrously manipulates at the same time. His puppet would basically be Zaphod Beeblebrox, with four arms and two heads, one of which is reduced to pantomime due to a bad case of laryngitis. His puppet with four humanoid arms does not quite permit the epic quadruple face palm, as the lower arms—which are long enough unimpeded—get a bit tangled with the upper arms when all four arms attempt to palm together (devising a string system to permit a string-puppet quad is a task worthy of Archimedes himself).

On the other hand, you can defend your precious pair from the errant missile of your own defenseman rapping the puck over the glass while the forecheck arrives by hour glass—still having two arms left over for a double face palm upstairs (though manly stud ant that you are, you’d probably peak just a bit between your fingers with the puck standbound on a scorching lob).

———

So few ants have a working pair, can you imagine the intensity of the sensitive nerve cluster Darwin arranged to keep that working pair out of harm’s way?

The sperm is stored in a special organ, known as a spermatheca, in the queen’s abdomen, and lasts throughout her lifetime. This can be as long as 20 years, during which time the sperm can be used to fertilize tens of millions of eggs.

You’re really gonna need all those arms to chain smoke those tens of millions of tiny cigars. There’s an entire species of termite adapted with shopping cart–like mandibles to scavenge all the discarded cigar butts, which they refashion into a very nice termite mound. Not to mentions the thousands of captive aphids who roll their little fingers off, keeping all those cigars in ready supply.

Word to the wise: keep your cigars in the moist humidor until the fat lady sings. (To your tiny ant ears, she sounds like a baritone, whereas fat human males are completely subsonic.)

SkatinginSand January 1, 2020 - 1:59 pm

Oilman99,

Inside info, everyone goes top shelf, goalies butterfly, the idea is to make shooter try shelf.
Sometimes you just have to give credit to the shooter.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 2:02 pm

tileguy:
Drew Ramada says, “when you lose your stick go to the bench right away and get a new one or at least stand next to a man and stay with him”. Gagner did neither, looked hilarious, almost like a swarm of bees was after him.

The d-men, i think it was DeAngelo (although not positive), did a fantastic job of identifying Gagner was without a stick and isolating him.

One of my Oiler annoyances is having o-zone possession and an opponent without a stick and not identifying and/or trying to take advantage of that area of the ice.

SkatinginSand January 1, 2020 - 2:02 pm

oilersfan,

Taylor Hall was an excellent player in Edmonton, but his defensive brilliance is nothing but revisionist history.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 2:21 pm

jtblack:
Watching Flames live and Lucic lumber around last night; on the same night as Neal scored a Hatty; its important we recognize what Ken did there.
Edm is a bubble team WITH Neal and his 19 Goals.If the LUCIC / NEAL trade doesnt occur; Edm is probably under .500.Thank You Ken.

Edm has lost so many trades over the last decade, but even with Neal’s shortcomings, this is a clear cut WIN.WELL DONE KEN

I keep reading that Neal is a PP specialist and there is quite a bit of truth to that. I can’t truly defend his 5 on 5 goal differential but will not that he does have positive possession stats, a rarity on the team.

With that said, well, even if he is a PP specialist, at the end of the day, he has 19 goals and is a big part of a PP that is a primary reason the team wins games.

I’ll take that.

Not to mention, I think he can be a solid 5 on 5 player – tough in the offensive zone, big body on the wall, etc – his foot/toe issue has slowed him down for a part of the first half but there are some games that I “see him good” at evens.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 2:24 pm

OriginalPouzar: I keep reading that Neal is a PP specialist and there is quite a bit of truth to that.I can’t truly defend his 5 on 5 goal differential but will not that he does have positive possession stats, a rarity on the team.

With that said, well, even if he is a PP specialist, at the end of the day, he has 19 goals and is a big part of a PP that is a primary reason the team wins games.

I’ll take that.

Not to mention, I think he can be a solid 5 on 5 player – tough in the offensive zone, big body on the wall, etc – his foot/toe issue has slowed him down for a part of the first half but there are some games that I “see him good” at evens.

I believe he is 47CF% & .930 PDO.

Fairly decent given team performance

Jethro Tull January 1, 2020 - 2:26 pm

SkatinginSand:
oilersfan,

Taylor Hall was an excellent player in Edmonton, but his defensive brilliance is nothing but revisionist history.

We went through this trope when Hall and Eberle were here. Their D is having the puck somewhere greater than 60% more than the opposition in the oppositions zone.

If you’re relying on them, or Connor and Leon to grind behind their own net and win puck battles against a grinding cycle, then the team has bigger problems than them missing the odd D assignment.

By eye only, both Connor and Drai have provided some quality back checks this season.

The problem the Oilers have, and have had for years, amongst others, is that the good players naturally assume that the poorer players can make basic hockey plays. This is why you see the “flies the zone too soon” and “doesn’t back check” narratives. An NHL D should be able to make a simple outlet pass without screwing it up. A team should be able to defend 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 1 or 3 vs 2. Goalies shouldn’t get beat by shots from an acute angle with no screen from fucking miles away. The good players turn to go up the ice thinking things are cool and the goal horn goes.

They’re peacocks. You have to let them fly. If

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 2:27 pm

Andy Dufresne:
I/We like James Neal. I/We loved the trade.

James Neal is part of winning equation in 2020……but is he part of a winning equation in 2021? 2022? Beyond?

His trade value will never be higher than it will be at this years trade deadline. Do you pull the trigger if you can rid yourself of the contract at little or no cost?

If they can dispose of it clean for $6M then, yes, I don’t think they have a choice.

They may be “giving away” 30 goals but it wouldn’t be reasonable to project 30G next season or the season after, or would it? Its not like Neal is relying on speed or diminishing attributes to score these goals.

I don’t think projecting his stats next year would be akin to Chiasson where we all pretty much knew that there was going to be a massive regression. I think Neal may still be a 20 goal scorer for a few years.

Can $6M be better spend than on a 22-25 goal scorer, mostly PP?

Ya, probably.

Tough when the team needs

tileguy January 1, 2020 - 2:31 pm

OriginalPouzar: The d-men, i think it was DeAngelo (although not positive), did a fantastic job of identifying Gagner was without a stick and isolating him.

One of my Oiler annoyances is having o-zone possession and an opponent without a stick and not identifying and/or trying to take advantage of that area of the ice.

Scroll about 7/8th of the way down ( 4 minutes left in the third) and watch Gagner being useless.
http://www.dtmts.com/?id=2019020623&vid=4944089&sid=4944095&eid=4944089

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 2:32 pm

SkatinginSand:
oilersfan,

Taylor Hall was an excellent player in Edmonton, but his defensive brilliance is nothing but revisionist history.

Taylor Hall is a better defensive player than Connor McDavid. Good Draisaitl is better than Hall. But Bad Draisaitl is worse.

tileguy January 1, 2020 - 2:39 pm

OriginalPouzar: I keep reading that Neal is a PP specialist and there is quite a bit of truth to that.I can’t truly defend his 5 on 5 goal differential but will not that he does have positive possession stats, a rarity on the team.

With that said, well, even if he is a PP specialist, at the end of the day, he has 19 goals and is a big part of a PP that is a primary reason the team wins games.

I’ll take that.

Not to mention, I think he can be a solid 5 on 5 player – tough in the offensive zone, big body on the wall, etc – his foot/toe issue has slowed him down for a part of the first half but there are some games that I “see him good” at evens.

I also like Neal anD think his value would rise in the playoffs being a big body and a snarly smart veteran. I would not buy out Neal, or trade if we had to retain or give up an asset. If he slows down considerably next year or the year after buy him out with less cap penalty, but not this summer.

Yeti January 1, 2020 - 2:40 pm

Jethro Tull: They’re peacocks. You have to let them fly.

Stunning birds, of course, but peacocks are fairly crappy fliers truth be told.

tileguy January 1, 2020 - 2:44 pm

Nice to see Nashville lose one of those games in hands they have on us.

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 2:51 pm
Jethro Tull January 1, 2020 - 2:51 pm

Yeti: Stunning birds, of course, but peacocks are fairly crappy fliers truth be told.

https://youtu.be/iV6539XsWrc

There’s Connor and Drai. Then there’s the other guys.

bendelson January 1, 2020 - 3:07 pm

I was at that game last night… holy hell.

It was the best of times… it was the worst of times.

Happy New Year to all.
Woot! Woot!

Yeti January 1, 2020 - 3:08 pm

Jethro Tull,

Ah, I was unaware of this. Thanks for the education.

SwedishPoster January 1, 2020 - 3:09 pm

Lowetide: Nothing so exotic.I was listening to the radio one day, and heard a song with a haunting melody. The opening verse talked about ocean’s daughter and something about waves, and then the second verse was about breakdown on the shore line. In my mind’s eye, I had the singer alone on a shore line contemplating the ocean’s daughter and waves and new things to experience.

Probably had a lot to do with where I was at the time. Anyway. that’s where the title came from. The song is “Can’t Get it out of my Head” by the Electric Light Orchestra.

Maybe not so exotic but a beautiful little backstory. You can really paint a picture in just a few words. Very nice ELO song that I’d completely forgotten, think my mom had the album when I grew up.

Seeing the title my head went straight to the song I linked. I think all swedes who’s ever been into indie rock would think of that song right away, it’s an indie anthem over here.

Lowetide January 1, 2020 - 3:26 pm

New for The Athletic: A shift-by-shift analysis of Kailer Yamamoto’s 2019-20 debut in the Oilers’ New Year’s Eve game

https://theathletic.com/1501933/2020/01/01/lowetide-a-shift-by-shift-analysis-of-kailer-yamamotos-2019-20-debut-in-the-oilers-new-years-eve-game/

Reja January 1, 2020 - 3:39 pm

Harpers Hair: The Athletic rated them too.

Buffalo last..Oilers next to last.

The Toilet Bowl coming up tomorrow.

Why didn’t you take the bet yappy Coyote boy

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 3:50 pm

barry.moore23:
“They are on their way.”

OP,
Your infatuation with prospects is cute. You do know that the Oilers have no idea how to build around the best prospects in the world so none of it really matters anyway, yes ? See the last 20 years as a guide.Oh, this team …..

The issue has not been “the best prospects in the world” but developing the secondary and tertiary prospects in to actual NHL players.

I note the defence last night had Ethan Bear and William Lagesson on it – two middle round draft picks developed over time and now establishing themselves (with Caleb Jones doing the same) – not to mention a mid first round pick in Oscar Klefbom.

Also, 2 points were provided from a mid-round pick developed over time in Jujhar Khaira.

I also note that the team is under new management with different prospect development techniques.

norm_klassen January 1, 2020 - 4:00 pm

Nashville the season so far: Failure to launch

SkatinginSand January 1, 2020 - 4:24 pm

Jethro Tull,

Alex Ovechkin, “The Leafs have to change the way they play.”
Any team consistently playing 4 vs.5 in their own end, or defending 2 on 1, 3on2 etc. is destined to lose more than it wins.
The Gretzky days are gone.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:24 pm

ashley: Good analysis.It is for these reasons that my opinion on goalies diverges from Woodguy’s “mostly goalie” term for hockey.Just looking at the goalie performance is overly simplistic.A goalie’s performance is a highly complex interaction with team performance.

We can see this with “bad” goalies suddenly having multiple good years in a row when switching teams and vice versa.Crawford, Elliot, Dubnyk are all examples.An example from way back?Dwayne “the drain” Roloson was not known for dominating the NHL before coming to the Oilers and dominating the NHL.Important footnote?CFP was patrolling the back end and the likes of Horcoff, Peca, and Pisani were great defensive forwards.Panarin doesn’t get those chances with those guys on the ice.

Koskinen is inconsistent and seems to lose confidence for periods of time, but is better than I expected this year so far based on past performance.Smith has been ok too, but has gotten the raw end of the stick on games where the Oilers forwards haven’t shown up to defend their own end.

Save percentage should be considered a team metric, not a goalie metric.

I have come a long way over the last year in acknowledging how much the team play has to do with tending and stats – not all the way there but much further along than I have been in the past.

With that said, my reason for this post is the analysis of Dwayne Roloson – full credit for 3 rounds of playoff hockey on a massive heater – other than that month, the word “dominating” should be nowhere the name Roloson with respect to positive play – he was an average tender at best as an Oiler in the succeeding years, at best. King of the terrible goal at the terrible time – consistently.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:27 pm

McSorley33: Sam has been pure comedy in his own end since 2007/2008.

Incredible that he still allowed to put on an NHL jersey.

Have to think Tippett is getting close to giving up on him.

I fully acknowledge that he was terrible last night, however, in my opinion, he is a much more responsible player than he was in his first stint as an Oiler and generally serviceable.

G Money January 1, 2020 - 4:28 pm

Jethro Tull,

My favourite basic hockey play from that era* was the patented “Ference pass into the back of the forwards skates, leaving him fumbling and completely vulnerable to a turnover or a big hit”.

Followed by the immense Ferencian leaderliness of calling the rest of the team out for their lack of effort and defensive smarts after the inevitable loss.

But yeah, Hall was the problem.

(*are we allowed to call blocks of two Oilers seasons “eras”? We should, they seemed like f*cking forever anyway)

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:31 pm

Brantford Boy:
Happy New Year!

I’ll admit I had a “few, two many drinks” last night hosting a gathering and had the game on with music playing.I missed the Klefbom injury, can someone post what happened? Did he block a shot or get nailed into the boards or something?

Cheers!

Shot off the foot/leg – hobbled to the bench in considerable pain, slammed his stick down. Stayed on the bench for several minutes with the trainer looking at him. Didn’t take another shift and went down the tunnel – hasn’t been seen again.

It is the same foot with the broken, or formerly broken, toes.

No update after the game and they’ve been travelling today – just landed in Buffalo within the last hour.

Doubt we’ll get an update today but I haven’t read/heard about any call-ups yet.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:33 pm

jtblack:
THE SCORE ranked everyteam over thelast decade.

Chicago #1
……
Edmonton #30

There are now 31 teams, so……, great success!

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:35 pm

jtblack: Buff bought high after a Career year by Jeff Skinner.

He has 7 yrs remaining at $9 mil perHe has 11 G 19 P thru half a season.

Thats how you keep on Losing.Over pay players entering or on the wrng side of their prime.

Hurt now as well – for three weeks – won’t see him on the ice tomorrow.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:37 pm

Bag of Pucks:
Yamamoto (KG’s pick) gets the callup nod over Benson (Chiarelli/OEG pick).

The call is still coming from inside the house. The chairs move but the song remains the same.

This org really needs to start making more decisions on the basis of the numbers and less on internal groupthink.

The call-up of Yamamoto over Benson is extremely justifiable based on team need – this has been discussed quite a bit over the last couple of days.

Sure, there could be theories that its based on something other than the what the roster needs but I see nothing to suggest its not baseless speculation.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:42 pm

Schitzo: Also, it’s important to keep in mind that late first rounders are nowhere near guaranteed to have a meaningful NHL career.Finding a middle six winger at 22 is a win in my mind.

Oh, without a doubt – absolutely agree.

Not to mention that he’s just in his second year pro (and not handled great by previous management, with NHL games in his draft plus 1 and plus 2 seasons) and also that nobody jumps off the page in the couple dozen picks after him that scream missed opportunity vis-a-vis Kailer – maybe hokiharju.

Jethro Tull January 1, 2020 - 4:45 pm

OriginalPouzar: The call-up of Yamamoto over Benson is extremely justifiable based on team need – this has been discussed quite a bit over the last couple of days.

Sure, there could be theories that its based on something other than the what the roster needs but I see nothing to suggest its not baseless speculation.

You are wrong about this. Benson should have been the call up, based on every metric possible. In fact Benson should have been called up when Kass and Nuge were injured.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 4:46 pm

tileguy: Scroll about 7/8th of the way down ( 4 minutes left in the third) and watch Gagner being useless.
http://www.dtmts.com/?id=2019020623&vid=4944089&sid=4944095&eid=4944089

Thanks but I’m good as I never said he was useful last night – I’ve acknowledged he had a terrible defensive game last night while positing that he is generally much more responsible these days than 7 years ago.

Anyways, the purpose of my post you responded to was to praise DeAngelo and the way the Rangers actually used the advantage to, well, their advantage.

SkatinginSand January 1, 2020 - 4:59 pm

G Money:
Jethro Tull,

My favourite basic hockey play from that era* was the patented “Ference pass into the back of the forwards skates, leaving him fumbling and completely vulnerable to a turnover or a big hit”.

Followed by the immense Ferencian leaderliness of calling the rest of the team out for their lack of effort and defensive smarts after the inevitable loss.

But yeah, Hall was the problem.

(*are we allowed to call blocks of two Oilers seasons “eras”? We should, they seemed like f*cking forever anyway)

Since when does stating that Hall was not a perfect player equate to “Hall was the problem”?

Why is it that a considerable percentage of the posters on this blog immediately bring on the vitriol when someone points out that Hall, with all of his skill, has never been a good defensive player?

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 5:47 pm

Jethro Tull: You are wrong about this. Benson should have been the call up, based on every metric possible. In fact Benson should have been called up when Kass and Nuge were injured.

Feel free to actually post the reasoning as opposed to just, well, essentially, saying “I know more than you” and “my opinion means more than yours”.

I would be happy to discuss my thoughts based on, in addition to numbers or “metrics”, watching about 30 Condors’ games this year (or portions thereof).

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 6:23 pm

SkatinginSand:
Jethro Tull,

Alex Ovechkin, “The Leafs have to change the way they play.”
Any team consistently playing 4 vs.5 in their own end, or defending 2 on 1, 3on2 etc. is destined to lose more than it wins.
The Gretzky days are gone.

Watched an ’86 Oilers/Pens game the other day.. The Oielrs didn’t actually play that way at least in that game. pretty good in all zones.

It was remarkably similar to play now, except the goalies had much smaller equipment meaning more goals. That team covered better defensively than this team does.

The skill was high at the top of the roster, the training less. And far less aggression and filth than we see now on a play by play basis. Of course when they did it up they did it 100% crazy.

Perhaps that’s the difference. From limited viewings of the legacy games they are airing, I’d say the league is dirtier and less respectful now, but they fight less and no bench clearers.

I’d say the optics to the basic fan are better which the league likes, but player safety might be less. They still get concussions, less from knuckles and more from hits.

Without a study, I also believe that the real issue with brain injuries started later than the 80’s when the staged fighting and obscene obstruction of the dead puck era and later came along.

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 6:26 pm
Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 6:26 pm

OriginalPouzar: The call-up of Yamamoto over Benson is extremely justifiable based on team need – this has been discussed quite a bit over the last couple of days.

Sure, there could be theories that its based on something other than the what the roster needs but I see nothing to suggest its not baseless speculation.

Thanks, as always, for being the opinion police. Don’t know what we’d do without you.

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 6:46 pm

godot10: Taylor Hall is a better defensive player than Connor McDavid.Good Draisaitl is better than Hall.But Bad Draisaitl is worse.

Career +/- first 4 years. Clumsy stat, ‘morish’ helpful the longer the sample.

McDavid +49
Hall -22

Both players on the Oilers so no team advantage really.

That type of disparity given both players had the best of the roster tells a story. Hall actually had more help IMO.

flyfish1168 January 1, 2020 - 6:47 pm

G Money:
Jethro Tull,

My favourite basic hockey play from that era* was the patented “Ference pass into the back of the forwards skates, leaving him fumbling and completely vulnerable to a turnover or a big hit”.

Followed by the immense Ferencian leaderliness of calling the rest of the team out for their lack of effort and defensive smarts after the inevitable loss.

But yeah, Hall was the problem.

(*are we allowed to call blocks of two Oilers seasons “eras”? We should, they seemed like f*cking forever anyway)

Hi G Money
Nice to see you here. All the best

flyfish1168 January 1, 2020 - 6:49 pm

OriginalPouzar: The call-up of Yamamoto over Benson is extremely justifiable based on team need – this has been discussed quite a bit over the last couple of days.

Sure, there could be theories that its based on something other than the what the roster needs but I see nothing to suggest its not baseless speculation.

Or is Holland showcasing Yamamoto for a trade. Not Holland’s pick. So no alliance to this player

ashley January 1, 2020 - 6:50 pm

Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle were terrible defensive forwards and still are. I don’t buy that a player is so good at offense they shouldn’t be expected to defend. That’s an excuse for laziness/cheating for offense and the ingredient for terrible team chemistry.

Further to my post above, I think a really valuable stat would be goalie save percentage for each player. We sometimes use this as a measure of how a player has had bad or good luck being on the ice with a goalie who saves less or more shots. But goalies probably save about the same shots, but struggle with dangerous scoring opportunities which are a function of the on-ice players ability to defend.

If I were to build a team, I would pursue players who are on the ice with high save percentage. Those are the players who are going to take us to the Stanley Cup. There are good offensive players who can defend. The two are not mutually exclusive. Steve Yzerman is a good example of a player who was brutal in his own end in the early to mid 80s but found a way to also be a defensive player in addition to being wildly productive on offense and was an integral part of the Red Wings success in those years.

High save percentage players may even be under valued given that the contracts tend to reward point production.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 6:50 pm

Bag of Pucks: Thanks, as always, for being the opinion police. Don’t know what we’d do without you.

Do you have anything substantive to base your opinion on? Anything substantive that points to Holland calling up Yamamoto over Benson because Keith Gretzky drafted him?

Just curious where your opinion comes from as there are vast justifiable hockey reasons for the decision.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 6:53 pm

flyfish1168: Or is Holland showcasing Yamamoto for a trade.

I think the decisions is based on Holland trying to win hockey games and he and Tippett of the opinion that the quicker and broader-skilled (PK, more effective forecheck, more effective defensive player, etc) player would help the team do that.

Of course, he could be show-casing but I don’t think that’s the case (no way to know for sure) and I definitely don’t think the choice was made because Keith Gretzky drafted Kailer.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 6:55 pm

ashley:
Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle were terrible defensive forwards and still are.I don’t buy that a player is so good at offense they shouldn’t be expected to defend.That’s an excuse for laziness/cheating for offense and the ingredient for terrible team chemistry.

Further to my post above, I think a really valuable stat would be goalie save percentage for each player.We sometimes use this as a measure of how a player has had bad or good luck being on the ice with a goalie who saves less or more shots.But goalies probably save about the same shots, but struggle with dangerous scoring opportunities which are a function of the on-ice players ability to defend.

If I were to build a team, I would pursue players who are on the ice with high save percentage.Those are the players who are going to take us to the Stanley Cup.There are good offensive players who can defend.The two are not mutually exclusive.Steve Yzerman is a good example of a player who was brutal in his own end in the early to mid 80s but found a way to also be a defensive player in addition to being wildly productive on offense and was an integral part of the Red Wings success in those years.

High save percentage players may even be under valued given that the contracts tend to reward point production.

I think the argument being made is that, with a player like Hall, the play is going towards the offensive zone more often than not and the players on the ice aren’t “defending” as much.

I get that and, yes, give it a bit of credence, however, at the same time, Hall continues to be a high event player at the offensive blue line – its the “trying too hard” to make a play with the puck often going back dangerously the other way – something Mr. Draisaitl has been guilty of ALOT in recent weeks.

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 6:56 pm

godot10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMfXeuv4kZE

While we’re doing covers by Sixpence None the Richer…..

…one for the Oilers season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bdOefF_tyU

I love Leigh Nash’s voice.

Lowetide January 1, 2020 - 7:04 pm

godot10: While we’re doing covers by Sixpence None the Richer…..

…one for the Oilers season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYNolE3FRZI

I love Leigh Nash’s voice.

I love that “There She Goes” song, don’t know the band at all but that’s a dandy record

Pescador January 1, 2020 - 7:06 pm

G Money:
Jethro Tull,

My favourite basic hockey play from that era* was the patented “Ference pass into the back of the forwards skates, leaving him fumbling and completely vulnerable to a turnover or a big hit”.

Followed by the immense Ferencian leaderliness of calling the rest of the team out for their lack of effort and defensive smarts after the inevitable loss.

But yeah, Hall was the problem.

(*are we allowed to call blocks of two Oilers seasons “eras”? We should, they seemed like f*cking forever anyway)

This
Hall would get blown up by Doughty
& Ference would skate by without so much as a dirty look

godot10 January 1, 2020 - 7:12 pm
Jethro Tull January 1, 2020 - 7:13 pm

OriginalPouzar: Feel free to actually post the reasoning as opposed to just, well, essentially, saying “I know more than you” and “my opinion means more than yours”.

I would be happy to discuss my thoughts based on, in addition to numbers or “metrics”, watching about 30 Condors’ games this year (or portions thereof).

Holy, where to start. This easily wins “most ironic post”.

To sum up:

1) You stated as fact that Yamamoto’s call up was extremely justified based on team need. What, exactly, did Ken Holland tell you personally, that the team needed?

2) The burden of proof is on you for making the initial claim and inferring that the community as a whole reached consensus on this.

3) You obviously have Google. I shouldn’t have to post a white paper with citations just for saying one player is better than another when it is patently obvious and easy to look up.

4) So because I don’t watch as many AHL games as you, I can’t have an opinion? I’ve watched a couple. Benson was and is the better player. That’s a fact, not opinion, supported by hard numbers.

5) Not everyone has the time to post 50 million times a day, so a lot of the arguments you think you win are just people who can’t put the time in.

6) And again, “watched the games” means little more than “seen him good”.

Lowetide January 1, 2020 - 7:14 pm

If we’re talking fantastic women singers, here’s one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb43-Q70olM

Jethro Tull January 1, 2020 - 7:14 pm

godot10:
My name is Lucic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIGBlFdSxTk

He lives on the second floor?

Jethro Tull January 1, 2020 - 7:18 pm

Lowetide: I love that “There She Goes” song, don’t know the band at all but that’s a dandy record

Originally by the scouse band “The La’s”. They were kind of a precursor to the Madchester scene.

jp January 1, 2020 - 7:27 pm

OriginalPouzar: Yes, the rule is still in place.

I don’t think it was what kept Granlund out last night as I think only Lowe, Manning, Malone would have qualified as veterans last night.

Actually, maybe Currie counts too, depends on if his ECHL games are included.

AHL teams are required to dress 13 developmental skaters per game (not including goalies). 12 of the 13 must have played less than 260 games, one is allowed up to 320 games (games played in the NHL, AHL and European pro leagues count to the total).

That means 5 players with more than 260 games can play on a given night, plus another who’s played between 260 and 320 games.

Condors who qualify as vets are:
Malone
Currie (he’s in the 260-320 game window)
Cave
Lowe
Manning
Granlund
Peluso
(and Jurco who’s injured)

The first 5 of those played last night so there was room for Granlund by my count since Currie can still be counted as developmental in the 260-320 bracket).

Looks very likely there will be issues with the veteran limit at some point though.

JimmyV1965 January 1, 2020 - 7:33 pm

ashley:
Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle were terrible defensive forwards and still are.I don’t buy that a player is so good at offense they shouldn’t be expected to defend.That’s an excuse for laziness/cheating for offense and the ingredient for terrible team chemistry.

Further to my post above, I think a really valuable stat would be goalie save percentage for each player.We sometimes use this as a measure of how a player has had bad or good luck being on the ice with a goalie who saves less or more shots.But goalies probably save about the same shots, but struggle with dangerous scoring opportunities which are a function of the on-ice players ability to defend.

If I were to build a team, I would pursue players who are on the ice with high save percentage.Those are the players who are going to take us to the Stanley Cup.There are good offensive players who can defend.The two are not mutually exclusive.Steve Yzerman is a good example of a player who was brutal in his own end in the early to mid 80s but found a way to also be a defensive player in addition to being wildly productive on offense and was an integral part of the Red Wings success in those years.

High save percentage players may even be under valued given that the contracts tend to reward point production.

I’m not sure I’m buying this narrative that Stevie Y was a bad defensive player early in his career. Stevie Y started his career on a shit team. He supposedly got better defensively later in his career, when guys like Lidstrom, Fedorov, Zetterberg and Datsyuk arrived. I suspect if we surround McDavid and Drai with guys just as good as these all stars. their defence will improve too.

jp January 1, 2020 - 7:38 pm

ashley: An example from way back? Dwayne “the drain” Roloson was not known for dominating the NHL before coming to the Oilers and dominating the NHL.

Roloson finished 2nd and tied for 1st in SV% in the 2 NHL seasons before his trade to the Oilers.

yeraslob January 1, 2020 - 7:39 pm

Fantastic women singers?
I submit the late Laura Branigan and her rendition of The Power of Love.
At one point, (upon hearing it for the first time) I was asking myself “How did she do that?”

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 7:50 pm

Jethro Tull: Holy, where to start. This easily wins “most ironic post”.

To sum up:

1) You stated as fact that Yamamoto’s call up was extremely justified based on team need. What, exactly, did Ken Holland tell you personally, that the team needed?

2) The burden of proof is on you for making the initial claim and inferring that the community as a whole reached consensus on this.

3) You obviously have Google. I shouldn’t have to post a white paper with citations just for saying one player is better than another when it is patently obvious and easy to look up.

4) So because I don’t watch as many AHL games as you, I can’t have an opinion? I’ve watched a couple. Benson was and is the better player. That’s a fact, not opinion, supported by hard numbers.

5) Not everyone has the time to post 50 million times a day, so a lot of the arguments you think you win are just people who can’t put the time in.

6) And again, “watched the games” means little more than “seen him good”.

1) My opinion of team need including more quickness, more tenacity of the forecheck, more ability to turn pucks over in the defensive zone, professional PK experience, PP drawing acumen

2) I didn’t know there was a burden of proof – I thought this was a fun place to talk about the Oilers. I also did not imply anything and any inference you made on forum consensus is on you. As far a a “burden or proof”, I’ve posted my reasons in this thread and prior threads (which you read) – even before the call-up was actually made.

3) You brought up all these metrics so, speaking of burden of proof…….

4) Another inference, and another incorrect one – of course you can have an opinion. I was trying to have a discussion about it. My reference to watching the games is because you cited solely metrics (without stating anything about them or which ones) and nothing about actually watching the players play. Numbers are important and informative – scouts are still employed as much as data analyzers for a reason – watching the game remains primary.

No, that is 100% NOT a fact, that is your opinion.

There are also many metrics that also “benefit Yamamoto” including PK TOI, PP drawn, etc.

This is without even adjusting for quality of linemate which massively favours Benson.

5) Skip over the unnecessary personal shot.

6) Yes, watching the player play is of primary importance, in my opinion.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 7:53 pm

jp: AHL teams are required to dress 13 developmental skaters per game (not including goalies). 12 of the 13 must have played less than 260 games, one is allowed up to 320 games (games played in the NHL, AHL and European pro leagues count to the total).

That means 5 players with more than 260 games can play on a given night, plus another who’s played between 260 and 320 games.

Condors who qualify as vets are:
Malone
Currie (he’s in the 260-320 game window)
Cave
Lowe
Manning
Granlund
Peluso
(and Jurco who’s injured)

The first 5 of those played last night so there was room for Granlund by my count since Currie can still be counted as developmental in the 260-320 bracket).

Looks very likely there will be issues with the veteran limit at some point though.

Thank you.

Yes, I know the rule and cited 3 veterans in the lineup last night and, potentially a 4th (as I mentioned, wasn’t sure if Currie’s ECHL games count as he doesn’t hit the threshold with just AHL games).

I forgot about Cave which would have made it 5 (I though maybe 4 without Currie).

Scungilli Slushy January 1, 2020 - 8:03 pm

I am looking, so will post here in case anyone is interested.

Better teams, roster taken from Capfriendly Depth Charts, roster make up including scratches and IR – drafted / traded / signed / projected cap hit / projected cap space:

St Louis 13 / 11 / 3 / 83.1M / 20K
Washington 12 / 6 / 4 / 81.6M / 170K
Pittsburgh 10 / 9 / 7 / 80.7M / 1.09M
Boston 12 / 4 / 11 / 82.6M / 0
Colorado 5 / 10 / 7 / 74.7M / 6.79M
Tampa 10 / 6 / 6 / 79.25M / 2.25M
Chicago 10 / 12 / 5 / 82.9M / 240K
Winnipeg 13 / 2 / 12 / 76.54M / 4.96M
Edmonton 10 / 4 / 12 / 80.59M / 951K
Toronto 10 / 11 / 7 / 95.11M / 0
The Dys 8 / 6 / 12 / 82.92M / 30K

You smart folk can figure out what this all means.

I notice better teams tend to trade more than sign. Maybe because the players are typically younger so the results are more predictable and less expensive, for a GM that knows what they are looking at and knows how to make deals.

Colorado and the World’s Best Team Ever in TO have used trades to get better more quickly than the draft would allow, re shaping their rosters. More traded for than drafted players. Hint hint.

Of the teams that have a high proportion of signed players, Boston is doing well, The Dys according to HH are rising but I know they’ll go back to what they should be, and two teams are hurting bad, The Jets and our Oilers.

I hope you fully enjoyed this incredibly deep analysis of hockey.

Sierra January 1, 2020 - 8:19 pm

OriginalPouzar: Feel free to actually post the reasoning as opposed to just, well, essentially, saying “I know more than you” and “my opinion means more than yours”.

I would be happy to discuss my thoughts based on, in addition to numbers or “metrics”, watching about 30 Condors’ games this year (or portions thereof).

Tull says “by every metric” and you simply state your opinion and then you have the audacity to call him claiming you know more than he does because you “have scene him good”.

jp January 1, 2020 - 8:40 pm

Jethro Tull: You are wrong about this. Benson should have been the call up, based on every metric possible. In fact Benson should have been called up when Kass and Nuge were injured.

I guess you’ve missed the Condors posts from Wilde?

Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 8:47 pm

OriginalPouzar: I think the decisions is based on Holland trying to win hockey games and he and Tippett of the opinion that the quicker and broader-skilled (PK, more effective forecheck, more effective defensive player, etc) player would help the team do that.

Of course, he could be show-casing but I don’t think that’s the case (no way to know for sure) and I definitely don’t think the choice was made because Keith Gretzky drafted Kailer.

All conjecture wirh no supportive evidence to support.

Your three usages of the word “think” are the giveaway here counsellor.

jp January 1, 2020 - 8:52 pm

Bag of Pucks: All conjecture wirh no supportive evidence to support.

Your two usages of the word “think” are the giveaway here counsellor.

I thought OP was clear he was stating his opinion. Jethro claimed something as fact without providing supporting evidence.

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 8:55 pm

Sierra: Tull says “by every metric” and you simply state your opinion and then you have the audacity to call him claiming you know more than he does because you “have scene him good”.

Opinion based on watching the players not looking at stats. Yes, actually watching players play is important, in my opinion, hence why there are scouts, hence why Holland was just in Europe, twice now, to watch Puljujarvi and Slep and the Chanel One Cup and now has been at the World Juniors.

I never called anyone out either – I was simply told my opinion was wrong based on every metric. No, my opinion is not “wrong” and the statement was simply wrong regarding “every metric” and, no, metrics don’t tell the entire story.

jtblack January 1, 2020 - 8:56 pm

OriginalPouzar: There are now 31 teams, so……, great success!

Yah BUFFALO was #31.

Ibagrew woth your take on develooing prospects. edm has beeb awful at developing ALL prosoects they need more prosoects who not only make the NHL but are effective players (not stars, but better than replacement level).
.I feel like they are starting down a good path now with
JONES BEAR LAGESSON BOUCHARD BROBERG

YAMAMOTO BENSON LAVIOE??

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 8:57 pm

BagofPucks: All conjecture wirh no supportive evidence to support.

Your three usages of the word “think” are the giveaway here counsellor.

Its my opinion – unless Holland has spoken expressly to why he picked Yamamoto over Benson, its all opinion.

Of course, mine is based on substantive analysis of the team and team needs which is generally what GMs use to make decisions.

Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 8:59 pm

jp: I thought OP was clear he was stating his opinion. Jethro claimed something as fact without providing supporting evidence.

My take is OP is shitting on other people’s opinions, as per usual, and when challenged for a burden of proof to validate his insufferable arrogance, he ducks behind, “hey, I’m just a curious guy trying to have a dialogue.”

Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 9:01 pm

OriginalPouzar: Its my opinion – unless Holland has spoken expressly to why he picked Yamamoto over Benson, its all opinion.

Of course, mine is based on substantive analysis of the team and team needs which is generally what GMs use to make decisions.

Wouldn’t hold up in court though.

Wilde January 1, 2020 - 9:09 pm

Bag of Pucks: other people’s opinions

Bag of Pucks: burden of proof

OriginalPouzar January 1, 2020 - 9:12 pm

All, I just realized the Wilde was on the SuperFan podcast with Sunil a few days ago to talk about the Condors and the prospects. I’m about to listen now but I can’t imagine its not great and informative.

Wilde January 1, 2020 - 9:15 pm

I’ve been curious about the Condors’ CF-to-FF (and CA-to-FA) ratios, been running the numbers as of two nights ago and, although I threw out my FF numbers for much of last year and some of this year (didn’t start giving them two or three or four or five watches in 0.25-speed when I wasn’t sure until about a month into this year, so those and the retro-tracked ones are the only ones I trust) and there appears to be a fairly significant trend.

At least it looks significant, essentially the Condors are getting a ton more of their CF to be FF than the FA (of CA) they allow.

I’m interested to see how it compares to McLellan’s Oilers and Sharks because as I’ve mentioned before, they’re very similarly run.

jp January 1, 2020 - 9:23 pm

Bag of Pucks: My take is OP is shitting on other people’s opinions, as per usual,and when challenged for a burden of proof to validate his insufferable arrogance, he ducks behind, “hey, I’m just a curious guy trying to have a dialogue.”

My entry to this was Jethro’s “Benson should have been the call up, based on every metric possible” comment. Which I didn’t think was reasonable.

The only widely available metric we have is Pts/G, which does favor Benson as a pro. The only other metrics I’m aware of are based on Wilde’s tracking. Those seem to unanimously favor Yamamoto.

I have no idea who’s the better call-up, but to essentially say it’s fact that Benson is better seems completely unreasonable to me.

What you think about OP has no relevance to this from my POV.

JimmyV1965 January 1, 2020 - 9:27 pm

Bag of Pucks: All conjecture wirh no supportive evidence to support.

Your three usages of the word “think” are the giveaway here counsellor.

“Yamamoto (KG’s pick) gets the callup nod over Benson (Chiarelli/OEG pick).
The call is still coming from inside the house. The chairs move but the song remains the same.
This org really needs to start making more decisions on the basis of the numbers and less on internal groupthink.“

This is what you said in an earlier post. Isn’t this all conjecture with no supporting evidence? Although you don’t say it directly, you imply that Yama was brought up because Benson no longer has a cheerleader in the .org. We really don’t know what numbers they are using and based on reports from Wilde and OP, it seems like Yama was an equally good choice as Benson.

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 9:44 pm

Scungilli Slushy:
I am looking, so will post here in case anyone is interested.

Better teams, roster taken from Capfriendly Depth Charts, roster make up including scratches and IR – drafted / traded / signed / projected cap hit / projected cap space:

St Louis 13 / 11 / 3 / 83.1M / 20K
Washington 12 / 6 / 4 / 81.6M / 170K
Pittsburgh 10 / 9 / 7 / 80.7M / 1.09M
Boston 12 / 4 / 11 / 82.6M / 0
Colorado 5 / 10 / 7 / 74.7M / 6.79M
Tampa 10 / 6 / 6 / 79.25M / 2.25M
Chicago 10 / 12 / 5 / 82.9M / 240K
Winnipeg 13 / 2 / 12 / 76.54M / 4.96M
Edmonton 10 / 4 / 12 / 80.59M / 951K
Toronto 10 / 11 / 7 / 95.11M / 0
The Dys 8 / 6 / 12 / 82.92M / 30K

You smart folk can figure out what this all means.

I notice better teams tend to trade more than sign. Maybe because the players are typically younger so the results are more predictable and less expensive, for a GM that knows what they are looking at and knows how to make deals.

Colorado and the World’s Best Team Ever in TO have used trades to get better more quickly than the draft would allow, re shaping their rosters. More traded for than drafted players. Hint hint.

Of the teams that have a high proportion of signed players, Boston is doing well, The Dys according to HH are rising but I know they’ll go back to what they should be, and two teams are hurting bad, The Jets and our Oilers.

I hope you fully enjoyed this incredibly deep analysis of hockey.

Think about it for a few minutes.

The Canucks were operating under a “win now” mandate from management and really didn’t embrace a rebuild until the Sedins retired…TWO YEARS AGO.

Mike Gillis and Laurence Gillman got fired because they followed that mandate although they knew the window had closed.

However, in the time since, the Canucks have built one of the best prospect pools in the league, a competitive team and one of the best AHL teams.

While hardly world beaters, they are at least respectable with better depth, better D and better goaltending than the Oilers who have been rebuilding since Taylor Hall was drafted TEN YEARS AGO.

unca miltie January 1, 2020 - 9:48 pm

jp: Roloson finished 2nd and tied for 1st in SV% in the 2 NHL seasons before his trade to the Oilers.

I have a recollection of Rolly taking Minnesota on a deep playoff run too before he got to Edmonton.

unca miltie January 1, 2020 - 9:51 pm

On the topic of Laura Brannigan, I saw her live at Keyano Theatre in Fort Mcmurray. My best guess would in the fall 1990. What a powerful singer. the only other voice that I have heard live that strong was Donna Summer, who was amazing.

Edit: wow, I am getting old, that was 30 years ago.

Reja January 1, 2020 - 9:58 pm

Harpers Hair: Think about it for a few minutes.

The Canucks were operating under a “win now” mandate from management and really didn’t embrace a rebuild until the Sedins retired…TWO YEARS AGO.

Mike Gillis and Laurence Gillman got fired because they followed that mandate although they knew the window had closed.

However, in the time since, the Canucks have built one of the best prospect pools in the league, a competitive team and one of the best AHL teams.

While hardly world beaters, they are at least respectable with better depth, better D and better goaltending than the Oilers who have been rebuilding since Taylor Hall was drafted TEN YEARS AGO.

How many cups does the Canuck franchise have?

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 10:01 pm

Reja: How many cups does the Canuck franchise have?

How many do the Leafs have?

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 10:02 pm

unca miltie:
On the topic of Laura Brannigan, I saw her live at Keyano Theatre in Fort Mcmurray. My best guess would in the fall 1990. What a powerful singer. the only other voice that I have heard live that strong was Donna Summer, who was amazing.

Edit: wow, I am getting old, that was 30 years ago.

Heart.

Two voices like that.

Reja January 1, 2020 - 10:07 pm

unca miltie: I have a recollection of Rolly taking Minnesota on a deep playoff run too before he got to Edmonton.

Played really well for Tampa in 2011 playoffs as well. Rolli was definitely a late bloomer I liked him he played with a lot of spirit. We should be so lucky to have a Goaltender carry us like he did in 2006.

Reja January 1, 2020 - 10:24 pm

Harpers Hair: How many do the Leafs have?

Still believe Oilers have a better percentage in the modern era. All I know Is I was around for 5 cups could of easily been 8-9. The Kanucles biggest claim to fame were those god awful jerseys.

unca miltie January 1, 2020 - 10:31 pm
Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 10:32 pm

Reja: Still believe Oilers have a better percentage in the modern era. All I know Is I was around for 5 cups could of easily been 8-9. The Kanucles biggest claim to fame were those god awful jerseys.

We were talking about the last decade.

The Canucks won two pennants, went to game 7 of the Cup finals and had the 4th most points in the league.

Oilers won a playoff series, drafted first overall 4 times and are still a one line team that will miss the playoffs.

Stop living in the past.

It’s over.

Lowetide January 1, 2020 - 10:39 pm

Harpers Hair: We were talking about the last decade.

The Canucks won two pennants, went to game 7 of the Cup finals and had the 4th most points in the league.

Oilers won a playoff series, drafted first overall 4 times and are still a one line team that will miss the playoffs.

Stop living in the past.

It’s over.

The tough part about the Sedins is they only got to one final. Should have been more.

Chelios is a Dinosaur January 1, 2020 - 10:41 pm

The Vancouver Canucks have a statue of Roger Nielson waving a white flag outside their arena.

This is a franchise that has immortalized surrendering, of all things.

We are the stories we tell about ourselves. The Canucks tell themselves: we are whiny little bitches.

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 10:42 pm

Lowetide: The tough part about the Sedins is they only got to one final. Should have been more.

Agree.

Lots of “Time Wasted On The Way”

Harpers Hair January 1, 2020 - 10:50 pm
ashley January 1, 2020 - 11:05 pm

jp: Roloson finished 2nd and tied for 1st in SV% in the 2 NHL seasons before his trade to the Oilers.

Well that’s only half of the story. Those good years were on the best defensive team in hockey coached by the most defensive minded “trap” coach – a strategy that brought MIN much success. Rounding out the whole Roloson story actually makes the strong argument that goalie save percentage is more of a team metric rather than a goalie stat.

Prior to that in CGY and BUF, Dwayne did not have a good save percentage. Was that because Roloson was not good at GK, or was it because he played on teams with forwards who defended poorly? I believe the latter contributes more to the goalie effectiveness than is given credit.

Bag of Pucks January 1, 2020 - 11:14 pm

JimmyV1965: “Yamamoto (KG’s pick) gets the callup nod over Benson (Chiarelli/OEG pick).
The call is still coming from inside the house. The chairs move but the song remains the same.
This org really needs to start making more decisions on the basis of the numbers and less on internal groupthink.“

This is what you said in an earlier post. Isn’t this all conjecture with no supporting evidence? Although you don’t say it directly, you imply that Yama was brought up because Benson no longer has a cheerleader in the .org.We really don’t know what numbers they are using and based on reports from Wilde and OP, it seems like Yama was an equally good choice as Benson.

OP criticized other for presenting opinions without supportive metrics and then propped up his own flimsy opinions with statements like “I watch the games” and “think like a GM does.”

I personally don’t care if any individual poster agrees with my opinions. I believe people are entitled to different viewpoints and we’re all free to engage or ignore as we see fit. Unfortunately, OP absolutely cannot relent from antagonizing those he disagrees with, with passive aggressive insults as his primary stock and trade.

And that’s where we diverge, because I don’t view this community existing as a debate club forum for narcissists looking to score points. At its best, and that’s a frequent occurrence, it’s an egalitarian discussion with tolerance for dissenting viewpoints. The very fact that I’ve told OP on numerous occasions that’s he free to ignore my posts rather than insulting if he disagrees and he prefers to insult instead says everything one needs to know about this individual imo.

jp January 1, 2020 - 11:31 pm

ashley: Well that’s only half of the story.Those good years were on the best defensive team in hockey coached by the most defensive minded “trap” coach – a strategy that brought MIN much success.Rounding out the whole Roloson story actually makes the strong argument that goalie save percentage is more of a team metric rather than a goalie stat.

Prior to that in CGY and BUF, Dwayne did not have a good save percentage.Was that because Roloson was not good at GK, or was it because he played on teams with forwards who defended poorly?I believe the latter contributes more to the goalie effectiveness than is given credit.

Thanks for softening your reply.

I’m not at all trying to argue that goaltending isn’t affected by team, just that Rollie was a goalie of some note on arrival in Edmonton.

Wilde January 1, 2020 - 11:42 pm

Also, re: Kirill Maksimov; I’d argue that the breakout game on November 21st that I posted about a few times was the real accelerating point of his season.

His Game Score per GP (5-on-5) is now up to where McLeod’s is, solidly in a lower-middle tier of the forwards , above the role players, between them and the recovering last-year’s top line, who are below the tweeners, who are below Yamamoto – who’s in his own tier all alone, the same distance from the tweeners as they are from Benson/Currie; like so:

1.08 – Yamamoto

0.91 – Cave

0.79 – Gambardella

0.71 – Currie
0.70 – Benson

0.60 – Marody

0.54 – McLeod
0.54 – Maksimov (yes, they’re literally the exact same number, not just rounded to be so)

0.42 – Koules
0.41 – Malone
0.40 – Esposito

However, in Maksimov’s opening part of the season, where I believe he was healthy scratched at one point, this was what the game log looked like in terms of GS:

0.06
0.07
-0.09
-0.05
-0.15
0.81
0.11
0.52
0.47
0.66
0.05
0.20

The average is 0.22.

Then, remarkably he had a game where he ended up with the highest GS of anyone any time in the season*, at 2.92 – along with some very well executed PK duties – and since then, the log looks like this:

2.92
0.06
-0.44
1.37
1.18
0.06
-0.04
1.07
0.21
0.71
1.22
1.79
0.82
0.10
0.96

For an average of 0.80 – for reference, Benson’s number for the season last year was 0.86.

If Maksimov can keep this up, and get close to Benson’s 18-19 number, hooo boy. The vet comp I want to use is actually Josh Currie, in terms of detailed profile – people who follow me on Twitter might remember my remarks about Currie’s NHL time – I think it’d be interesting to see how close he can get to Currie-like performance, because I’m pretty certain that guy could be an upgrade on some of the Oilers bottom-six at this very moment.

It’s a very timeline-shifting phenomenon, and I wonder what would be the anti-Holland way to pull this thing off.

In a conversation in early December, I remember speaking to one of the Bakersfield Condors fans (who lives there, goes to games, etc) who follows me on Twitter and offhandedly I mentioned that I could see the Condors turning their CF-to-GF woes around and ending up a high-flying team of 7-5 wins and 5-1 losses.

What I was getting at is that they’ve got a ton of strong forwards, and on defence, their unbalanced players are weighted towards offense: Bouchard’s case is obvious, but Samorukov’s season offensively is flying under the radar completely because of the boxcars. It’s this strange mix of his positional deficiencies being exposed quite often doing absolutely nothing to tame his motivations with the puck.

Between that, and the goaltending situation, the salvageable season is definitely one with that character. The key is probably Marody.

*Record later broken by Kailer Yamamoto

G Money January 2, 2020 - 12:08 am

flyfish1168: Hi G Money
Nice to see you here. All the best

Thanks Fly! It seems I am up to my usual scheisse-disturbing ways!

SkatinginSand: Since when does stating that Hall was not a perfect player equate to “Hall was the problem”?

Why is it that a considerable percentage of the posters on this blog immediately bring on the vitriol when someone points out that Hall, with all of his skill, has never been a good defensive player?

Interesting that you call it ‘vitriol’ … it was a single, mildly sarcastic sentence.

More specifically, “Hall was the problem” generally refers to the attitude or opinion, widespread among the fanbase, media, and apparently the team management and captain at the time, that Hall’s supposed badintheroomlackofleaderliness and notgoodatthedefensitivitiness were the root cause (“the problem”) behind a decade of suckage.

Despite overwhelming evidence, from eye and analytics both, that the only thing worth watching on that team and the only thing with even the faintest hope of outscoring the other team was (until McDavid arrived) Hall’s line.

At the time, proponents of that school of lack-of-thought usually were part of a near-100% Venn diagram overlap with the “Chia is a genius” and “MOAR BIG HOCKEY” crowd. While those types were widely mocked here (hence the Lowetidian reputation for intelligent opinionizing), even so they gained lots of traction.

Your defensive (:-D see what I did there?) reaction surprises me a bit, because the “Hall was the problem” attitude remains surprisingly widespread today, despite how overwhelmingly and repeatedly wrong the proponents of HWTP / CIAG / MBH proved to be, and so it remains a position as deserving of mockery as it always has been.

And – it should be noted – often appears masked as “bad in the room” or “couldn’t share the Alpha Dog role with McDavid” or “Hall was bad at defending”, the latter being a silly argument to make when he had guys like Ference and Nikitin behind him.

WG likes to post the list of defenders that “supported” Hall during his time here, and it makes for a good, long but acutely painful laugh.

Personally, my favourite type of players are the McDavid and Hall ultra-high-event types anyway, the ones that rack up lots of chances for and against, but create so much danger on the attack that they become outscoring machines.

So the “bad at defending” thing just sounds ridiculous to me. I don’t want Hall or even McDavid defending, I want them high in the zone with defenders retrieving the puck and getting it to them on the fly so they can do the hardest rarest funnest thing in hockey, which is creating scoring chances with elite speed and sublime skill and dogged determination.

Now, all that said … were you / are you one of those HWTP types?

Honestly, I have no idea.

I was responding to Jethro’s post in relatively self-contained fashion.

I suppose any further interpretations will be a matter of those deciding for themselves whether the footwear is the right size.

ArmchairGM January 2, 2020 - 5:30 am

Wilde: Samorukov’s season offensively is flying under the radar completely because of the boxcars.

Fantastic post, thanks so much for doing this and sharing it. Maksimov is at 0.978 GS in his last 5 games, do you think he’ll get even more offensive opportunities now that Yamamoto is with the big club? We could see an explosion…

But please elaborate on the portion of your post that I highlighted above. I’m very interested in the rookie pro’s progression but cannot watch the games due to time zone issues, and there’s precious little information available anywhere other than this blog, mostly thanks to you.

Any further details about Samorukov and Bouchard would be greatly appreciated!

jp January 2, 2020 - 5:36 am

Harpers Hair: We were talking about the last decade.

The Canucks won two pennants, went to game 7 of the Cup finals and had the 4th most points in the league.

Oilers won a playoff series, drafted first overall 4 times and are still a one line team that will miss the playoffs.

Stop living in the past.

It’s over.

Aside from 2011 the only other pennant the Canucks won was 1994.

In the last 9 seasons the Oilers won a playoff series. The Canucks won none.

Any modicum of success the Canucks have had is in the past as well.

ArmchairGM January 2, 2020 - 5:36 am

jtblack: I believe he is 47CF% & .930 PDO.

Fairly decent given team performance

Neal is actually 50.93 CF% with a 0.954 PDO. His xGF% is 50.46 while his HDCF% is 52.53.

Wilde January 2, 2020 - 6:21 am

ArmchairGM: do you think he’ll get even more offensive opportunities now that Yamamoto is with the big club? We could see an explosion…

Yes, but it may just look like a continuation on his 5-on-5 numbers with the real boost coming on the PP

ArmchairGM: But please elaborate on the portion of your post that I highlighted above. I’m very interested in the rookie pro’s progression but cannot watch the games due to time zone issues, and there’s precious little information available anywhere other than this blog, mostly thanks to you.

Basically this:

Wilde: this strange mix of his positional deficiencies being exposed quite often doing absolutely nothing to tame his motivations with the puck

You would think that as a rookie, he’d be going through the usual process of getting his game settled down, and then taking more chances but he seems to just be jumping on stuff no matter how many times he gets burned, and he looks really good when it works. I’m still going to be pessimistic until he stops getting owned/owning himself on positioning/reactions, though, because he’s well behind where Bouchard was in last year’s playoffs in those aspects.

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ArmchairGM January 2, 2020 - 7:15 am

Any news on Klefbom? Do we know if he made the trip east? If he isn’t ready to go tonight, does Bear get PP1 duties?

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