More Than a Feeling

There are sporting moments that rise above the normal and emerge, immediately, as something else again. Yesterday in Boston, the Oilers took advantage of a wayward Bruins team that looked more Pit Martin than Phil Esposito. Mike Smith, whose photo is in the dictionary under ‘maligned’ had a great game. Darnell Nurse, whose next contract is the subject of great derision, played his best game of the year. Leon Draisaitl had a terrific game, he was on the edge and at times beyond it. As a Bruins fans since the 1960’s, I can tell you many Boston citizens left that rink yesterday imagining the big man in a Bruins uniform. Connor McDavid? Immortal as always.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • New Lowetide: Ken Holland, the Oilers amateur procurement department and the 2020 draft
  • Jonathan Willis: It would be a mistake to write off the Oilers after their December slump
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: From Leon Draisaitl to the penalty kill, the things the Oilers need to improve to get back to the playoffs
  • Lowetide: A shift-by-shift analysis of Kailer Yamamoto’s 2019-20 debut in the Oilers’ New Year’s Eve game.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: James Neal puts on New Year’s Eve show to remember in Oilers’ thriller
  • Lowetide: Midseason review of ‘reasonable expectations’ shows Oilers are on track with preseason targets
  • Jonathan Willis and Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How are our Oilers predictions holding up at the midseason mark? We decided to find out
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers midseason report card shows an unbalanced team with a lot of replaceable parts
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

OILERS AFTER 44 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 17-23-4, 38 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2016: 22-15-7, 51 points; goal differential +4
  • Oilers in 2017: 18-23-3, 39 points; goal differential -25
  • Oilers in 2018: 21-20-3, 45 points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 22-17-5, 49 points; goal differential -5

That handsome victory yesterday gives the season record a little extra shine. This year’s Oilers have victories over Washington, Boston, Vegas, NY Islanders and Colorado. I’d say yesterday’s win might have been the most satisfying, especially considering what the team went through in December. Oilers are on pace for 91 points.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 2-0-0, four points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in January 2017: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in January 2018: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in January 2019: 1-1-0, two points; goal differential -3
  • Oilers in January 2020: 1-0-1, three points; goal differential +1

All of a sudden this year’s team loves January after a difficult win against a monumental foe. Somehow Toronto, Montreal and Calgary don’t seem as difficult. We’ll see how that works out. TML are on a run.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM JANUARY

  • On the road to: BUF, BOS, TOR, MTL, CAL (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 1-0-1)
  • At home to: NAS, ARI, CAL, STL (Expected 1-2-1)
  • Overall expected result: 3-4-2, eight points in nine games
  • Current results: 1-0-1three points in two games

I had this game as a loss, the Buffalo (and Montreal) game as a win. Toronto will be tough. Once back in the west, Edmonton will want to exact some kind of revenge for that Saturday disaster after Christmas.

OILERS 2019-20

Oilers have benefited from former Condors like Bear, Russell, Jones, Yamamoto and Lagesson, one wonders if and when we’ll see the next man (likely Benson). One thing is clear: Edmonton enters deadline discussions with all of Bear, Jones and Lagesson on the roster and just months from being waiver eligible. Something’s gotta give. All numbers five on five unless noted, and via NST.

LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 12:00, going 17-9 Corsi, 9-7 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC. McDavid 5:57, 7-2 Corsi and no goals against Patrice Bergeron.

James Neal had a good look, two takeaways and was close to making some connections. Connor McDavid scored a breathtaking goal, he is so fast! Four shots, HDSC, 1-2 takeaway-giveaway and he was a going concern all night. Zack Kassian made a lovely blind pass to send 97 away, he’s got real talent and is going to get paid.

LINE 2 Nuge-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 13:15, going 13-21 Corsi, 6-10 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-1 HDSC. Draisaitl 5:06 against Bergeron (7-10 Corsi, 1-0 goals).

RNH was quiet offensively after a nice run in the last four games. He’s a fine two-way forward and that’s part of the reason why this makeshift line is having success. Leon Draisaitl was dirt mean, that’s a compliment. He played with an edge, had an assist (and an ENG), a giveaway, took a penalty and won 17 of 25 faceoffs. Kailer Yamamoto had some looks, two HDSC, a giveaway and a takeaway and made smart plays all over the ice. He belongs.

LINE 3 Joakim Nygard-Gaetan Haas-Alex Chiasson played 6:39, going 4-5 Corsi, 2-1 shots, 1-0 goals, 2-1 HDSC.

Joakim Nygard had an early breakaway and missed the net, causing a large donation to the LT swear jar. He also had a takeaway and drew a penalty. Gaetan Haas scored a goal, absolute giveaway by Jake DeBrusk who is in a bit of a funk. He also drew a penalty. Alex Chiasson had a HDSC and a good look on the PP but was mostly quiet again.

LINE 4 Jujhar Khaira-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 6:34, going 5-4 Corsi, 2-3 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira had two shots and a blocked shot, he looked more confident than in recent games but the results were shy. Riley Sheahan had a shot on goal and won six of seven on the dot. Josh Archibald missed an empty net late, he and Sheahan were on for the PP GA but not much they could do (tipped off Russell). Line had a solid game.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 16:49, going 16-16 Corsi, 8-9 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-1 HDSC, 4-6 offensive-defensive zone faceoffs. Played 6:54 against Bergeron, 8-7 Corsi, 1-0 goals.

Darnell Nurse had a fine game, even without the goal (GWG). Three shots, good coverage, recognition. I ran the tape back again and didn’t see much that would raise an eyebrow, the Bruins coaxed Nurse into a pass from deep in his one zone (bank play) and somehow managed to stop it, but Nurse recovered and helped suppress. He was excellent. Ethan Bear passed well, only a couple of errant ones. Took a penalty, had a takeaway and an assist. He had some wobble around Christmas but has settled in again. A fine, fine rookie.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 17:16, going 18-15 Corsi, 10-8 shots, 1-0 goals and 2-3 HDSC. Played 6:36, 5-10 Corsi, 2-5 shots and no goals against Patrice Bergeron.

Oscar Klefbom had two shots, one HDSC, a giveaway and blocked some more shots. He’s an insane value contract. He has the complete range of skills, so can pass, carry, skate well and defend. It’s my belief he’s best with the other veteran Swede alongside. Adam Larsson had three shots, rushed the puck exactly the same way Bob Baun used to, and calmed the waters. A bruiser of a shutdown blue. I love when they put the band back together.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Caleb Jones played 7:12, going 3-10 Corsi, 1-4 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Kris Russell had two shots, took three hits including a shot from behind courtesy Brad Marchand that should have been a penalty. He played almost 12 minutes, including time on the PK. Tipped Pastrnak’s shot. Caleb Jones played eight minutes total, and along with William Lagesson’s small TOI total recently I wonder if the Oilers are getting close to bringing in Matt Benning from the injured list.

GOALIE Mike Smith was brilliant, easily his best performance since October. Stopped 35 of 36, .972.

CONDORS 2019-20

I’m going to be writing about him later today for The Athletic, but one of the major recent spikes in Bakersfield is Stuart Skinner. In his last five games, he is 4-0-1, 2.95 and .911 save percentage. Outstanding turnaround and perhaps confirmation the Oilers did in fact have it right when running Skinner over Wells early in the season. By the way, Brandon Manning has made a world of difference based on my spy reports from Bakersfield.

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193 Responses to "More Than a Feeling"

  1. flyfish1168 says:

    I love the statement “Leon Draisaitl was dirt mean”

    Images of Howe and Messier 🙂

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 16
    COL 12
    DAL 10

    Pacific
    VGP 9
    VAN 8
    ARI 8

    Wildcard
    WPG 6
    EDM 5

    Out of playoffs
    NSH 4
    CGY 4
    MIN 3
    CHI 0
    SJS -2
    ANA -4
    LAK -5

    Relevant games today:

    CGY (-115) at MIN (-105) – Both teams chasing EDM, but would rather MIN win. Agree that its a coin flip. MIN beat WPG last night.

    NSH (-125) at ANA (+105) – If NSH wins they grab the last pts % wildcard spot due to games played. Soundly beat LAK last night, need ANA to chop wood and carry water for EDM today.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 19
    PIT 14
    NYI 13

    Atlantic
    BOS 16
    TBY 10
    TOR 10

    Wildcard
    CAR 9
    PHI 7

    Out of playoffs
    FLA 6
    CBJ 4
    BUF 2
    MTL 1
    NYR 1
    OTT -5
    NJD -5
    DET -19

    Relevant Atlantic games:

    FLA (+135) at PIT (-155) – 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back for BOTH teams.
    FLA was in OTT on Thursday, BUF last night and PIT tonight.
    PIT was in PIT on Thursday, MTL last night and PIT tonight.
    I have no idea what will happen , but PIT’s line seems a bit heavy.

    TBY (+105) at CAR (-125) – 3rd in 4 nights and 2nd of back to back in 3 different cities for TBY.
    MTL on Thursday, OTT last night and in CAR tonight. CAR played Friday in CAR.
    I like CAR here waaaaaay more than -125. Valuetown.

  4. leadfarmer says:

    Both Calgary and Montreal are having serious goaltending issues right now
    The Toronto game will be tough

  5. StixMalone says:

    I’d like to see the team win two maybe three in a row on this road trip. That will instil some swagger again…..

  6. Jethro Tull says:

    I thought that that was easily the Oilers best, most honest game of the season.

    Effort, check. Minimization of mistakes, check. Maximization of chances, check. Goaltending, check.

    If that’s who the Oilers are, and they can reproduce that performance 8 times out of ten, then I’d be a happy camper.

    May have been the first game everyone brought in to Tippett’s plays.

    Easily more satisfying than the skewed numbers winning streak at the start of the season.

  7. J-Bo says:

    I thought the same yesterday about Nurse. Best game I have seen him play in a long time. Defensively he was on it. Thinking so well and breaking up many dangerous plays. If yesterday was his norm, we wouldn’t be so worried about a large contract. Let’s hope he plays like that for the rest of the year and actually earns the contract we are all afraid of!

  8. blainer says:

    If that is the Nurse we get every night no way I trade him..

    He will also deserved to get paid if he can play like that consistently.

    Also.. Ethan Bear was playing great against easier teams early on. I do think he is catching up on the the stronger teams and continues to learn on the job. What a fine draft they had in 2015 despite the stupid trade.

  9. nelson88 says:

    Great article on Petterson on SN.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/elias-pettersson-vancouver-canucks-deportation-big-read/

    Now that Nucks have gotten rid of most of their Dbag players (Sedins never fell into that category) they are almost like able as a team. Thankfully much of their fan base as well as one particular internet poster continues to make it easy to dislike them.

  10. blainer says:

    If KH is not going to trade for help the coach needs to run the D lineup in a way to get the best from the team.

    1. Continue to not play Nurse and Russell together.
    2. Call Persson back up and play him third pair with Russell as a righty and lefty pairing. Persson will be fine in this role as will Russell.
    3. Play Nurse with Bear
    4. Play Klef with Larsson

    Bottom line for me on the D is to keep a righty and a lefty together and keep Russell on the left side.

    This team can surprise if we can just get the goaltending. What happened last night is what gets teams to the promised land. I still have very little confidence in the goalers but do think Koskinen would make a decent backup.

  11. JimmyV1965 says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I thought that that was easily the Oilers best, most honest game of the season.

    Effort, check. Minimization of mistakes, check. Maximization of chances, check. Goaltending, check.

    If that’s who the Oilers are, and they can reproduce that performance 8 times out of ten, then I’d be a happy camper.

    May have been the first game everyone brought in to Tippett’s plays.

    Easily more satisfying than the skewed numbers winning streak at the start of the season.

    Sorry, but I didn’t see it that way at all. The Oilers played well and won. They have played many games well and lost. I don’t think they played particularly better than the Bruins, but they somehow won the goaltending battle. Think we got lucky on the first two goals, which is bound to happen. It’s not that I think they played poorly, but I just didn’t think it was some kinda standout game.

  12. J-Bo says:

    Considering the success this far of the new second line, where would Benson fit if recalled? The top line feels a bit much and breaking up the second line seems unwise. I’m also liking Nygard and Haas together, but that feels like the right line. The Sheahan line feels like a pure checking line and Benson seems not the right fit there. How would you run the lines if he was recalled?

  13. Jethro Tull says:

    JimmyV1965: Sorry, but I didn’t see it that way at all. The Oilers played well and won. They have played many games well and lost. I don’t think they played particularly better than the Bruins, but they somehow won the goaltending battle. Think we got lucky on the first two goals, which is bound to happen. It’s not that I think they played poorly, but I just didn’t think it was some kinda standout game.

    No need to be sorry. That’s just how you saw it.

    For myself, I’m not so binary. They have played large portions of games well and still lost due to either individual mistakes or lack of team consistency.

    One of Tippett’s attributes is supposedly getting a n under talented roster playing to a tight game plan. Yesterday, Smith played well, but so did the team. Not been many he’s when that both happens.

  14. tileguy says:

    J-Bo:
    Considering the success this far of the new second line, where would Benson fit if recalled? The top line feels a bit much and breaking up the second line seems unwise. I’m also liking Nygard and Haas together, but that feels like the right line. The Sheahan line feels like a pure checking line and Benson seems not the right fit there. How would you run the lines if he was recalled?

    Benson on the top line for Neal who goes down to play with the speedy Euros, Neal will be the shooter and Nygard Haas the conscious of that line.
    Benson has to be a bit faster than Neal. Both 97 and 44 can shoot the puck if Bensons only strength is playmaking. Might as well see what we got, he is no 18 yr olds with fragile confidence.

  15. Wonder Llama says:

    Hey Lowetide faithful. Hope everyone’s good today and I hope this is an okay day to drop this wall of text on you. This will be the last time I do this; any expansion of the dictionary will now come from other posters.

    I read almost every day but I don’t post a lot as I feel completely outclassed in fancystats knowledge and usually by the time I think of something useful to say someone else has already said it.

    I am llargely a llurking llama, llaying llow, lliving my llife and llearning from llegends llike Lladies Llove Smid.

    I suspect there are many regular readers/infrequent posters like me, so if my goofy dictionary can provide a few laughs I feel like I’ve given a little bit back to the group. I am like Salieri at the end of Amadeus, absolving Analytics Mediocrities everywhere.

    So here is the LOWETIDE DICTIONARY, 3rd edition, incorporating more suggested terms and an open-ended community format for expansion and eventual publication in a respected peer-reviewed journal. There are 20 new entries for a total of 58 (including the four contributed by BONE207).

    PART A: WONDER LLAMA LLOWETIDE LLEXICON

    ALSO IN PHOTO: A sports journalism-inspired Lowetidian euphemism for “late to the play.” Example: “Number 12 Yvan Cournoyer hugs an elated Paul Henderson in front of a prone Vladislav Tretiak. Also in photo: future salt miner Yuri Lyapkin.”

    AUSTINS: Towards the end of the DoD (Decade of Darkness) Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and Jordan Eberle received contracts with identical $6,000,000 AAVs. They were the Six Million Dollar Men; the Steve Austins. These contracts were better, stronger, and faster than other contracts. They proved that young stars would make long-term commitments to the northernmost city in the NHL. Lowetidians scoffed at the cake-eaters and pool loungers of Winnipeg and Buffalo. Good times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO57y4td-c

    BALANCE PHOTO: A mythical image promised for years to the Lowetide faithful when the Oilers roster is finally balanced with Pisscutters and Pisanis. Its appearance will herald a new Oilers Dynasty and the psychic orgasm of Lowetidians around the world.

    BARKING CORGIS: A rare example of LRS (Lowetidian Rhyming Slang). In this case corgi = corsi. Corsi is a measure of official shots, missed shots, and blocked shots originally named by early Oilers blogger Tim Barnes (aka Vic Ferrari) arbitrarily yet appropriately after Buffalo Sabres goalie coach Jim Corsi. Whatever. When the small royal dogs are yapping the Oilers are pushing the frozen disc of vulcanized rubber in the correct direction.

    CALM YOUR TITS: Hold your horses. Chill your cheetahs. Mellow your manatees. Placate your platypuses. Sedate your salamanders. Temper your tardigrades. It’s just a game.

    CAMPING BOX: Arguably Lowetide’s greatest childhood story. Soon to be a major motion picture starring Hugh Bonneville, Emma Thompson, and Iain Armitage as Young LT.

    CAN’T PISS A DROP: The inability to score points at the NHL level (see Jean-Francois Jacques).

    CFP: Chris Fucking Pronger. It’s a long story, let’s not even go there.

    CHASED BY BEES: When a player (typically a forward with above-average offensive skills) drives his linemates and coaches to drink cheap screech because he is unable or unwilling to skate within a recognizable system of positional play.

    COKE MACHINE: Euphemism for a large, lumbering forward with limited offensive potential but who can throw a punch and if he ever catches up to that speedy “enigmatic Russian” might even throw a TBC (Thunderous Body Check). Oilers management drafted a bewildering number of these players during the DoD. Statistically speaking, actual Coke machines are probably more dangerous. https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/58235/11-mundane-objects-are-statistically-deadlier-sharks

    CROOKED NUMBERS: Zeros are curved. Ones are straight. Crooked is better. We wait.

    DANCES WITH BEES: Nail Yakupov’s Sioux name.

    DEAD CAT BOUNCE: The deceptive temporary sign of life that a player or team displays just before his or its final collapse. Often occurring as the result of a desperate structural change like firing the head coach. The Oilers’ 9-2-2 record from Nov. 20 to Dec. 14, 2018 under new coach Ken Hitchcock was a dead cat bounce.

    DECADE OF DARKNESS: 2006-2015; essentially the period between game 7 of the 2006 finals and the 2015 draft lottery win. Most Lowetidians developed their sophisticated understanding of scotch and rye whisky during this time.

    DONNER PARTY: The final stage of most Oilers seasons. After the OP-level optimism of early days Lowetidians survive the Gales of November and hope for the best. But after too many Tabernac Saturdays we are visited by Nadir’s Raiders and finally resort to cannibalism wondering if the best players on the team are actually the problem. https://twitter.com/brendelbored/status/1069046253827305473?lang=en

    EDMONTON OILERS: A team in the National Hockey League.

    EYE TEST/SEEN HIM GOOD: On December 1, 2014 Coyotes rookie Tobias Rieder scored two shorthanded goals against the Oilers on the same penalty kill. Sign that kid up first chance you get! In 67 games with the Oilers Rieder scored zero goals. In the immortal words of Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Your eyes can deceive you. Don’t trust them.”

    FANCYSTATS/FANCIES: Advanced analytics for hockey in the tradition of the pioneering work of Oakland Athletics GM Billy Beane and including the insights of several Lowetide contributors like WoodGuy and G Money. Includes things like barking corgis and some dude named Fenwick. Does not include plus/minus unless it supports your current narrative.

    FIFTY: The number of points Ryan Nugent-Hopkins might someday score if all the planets align and he finally shaves his sideburns.

    GALES OF NOVEMBER: A reference to the 1976 Gordon Lightfoot song “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald,” this frightening phrase acknowledges the Oilers’ recent history of futility in the 11th month when playoff hopes come on deck and say “fellas it’s been good to know ya.”

    GET GOOD PLAYERS, KEEP GOOD PLAYERS: A Lowetidian paraphrase of a quotation from legendary NY Islanders coach Al Arbour. https://oilersnation.com/2013/08/24/get-good-players/ Oilers management reportedly misheard this advice and attempted to sign both Kerry King and Buffy.

    GOALIES ARE VOODOO: Goalies like to be hit really hard with frozen discs of vulcanized rubber. Goalies shouldn’t be drafted high but every team needs at least two. Goalies shouldn’t be given long term contracts but every team needs consistent ones. Goalies are butterflies and snow angels. Goalies are superstitious, unpredictable, and sometimes downright weird. Goalies are voodoo.

    GORD: Yahweh/God/Allah.

    GRIFFIN REINHART: Matthew Barzal and Sebastian Aho.

    JULTZING: Inspired by former Oiler defenceman Justin Schultz, it is the practice of defending by skating away from an attacking forward with one’s stick vaguely pointing towards him, just out of reach. Schultz was fine really but he was more MAB than CFP so his lack of TBCs got him traded to Pittsburgh where he promptly won Stanley. We’re all really happy for him. I guess.

    KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY: Wikipedia can tell you all about muskets, Oliver Cromwell and early 19th century poems, but for Lowetidians it means don’t make unnecessary trades or free agent signings based on emotion or desperation. Example: In what appeared to be an emotional reaction to his poor point production in the 2017 playoffs Jordan Eberle was traded for Ryan Strome. For no identifiable reason Ryan Strome was traded for Ryan Spooner. Jordan Eberle plays well enough for the NY Islanders. Ryan Strome plays beautifully for the NY Rangers. Ryan Spooner plays in Switzerland. All this is fine since the Oilers have no need for a scoring winger or third line centre.

    KOMRADE HORCOV: Where do you think you are, Copper and Blue?

    MATERIAL: The difference OP makes.

    MENDOZA LINE: 1. A reference to MLB shortstop Mario Mendoza and to .200 as a minimum competent batting average. So the Mendoza Line in hockey might be 10 goals per season for a forward or a .900 SV% for a goaltender, YMMV.
    2. What you don’t want to push McBain over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOk4hQXbGDs

    MICHELLE JENNEKE: A world-class Australian track and field athlete who deserves nothing but our utmost respect and admiration. Also, she’s crazy fucking hot Good Gord. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdexkdpkIgk

    MILES TO GO/EARLY DAYS: A reference to the Robert Frost poem Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening and the lines “The woods are lovely, dark and deep; But I have promises to keep; And miles to go before I sleep…” Simply an acknowledgement that things can change. Example: It’s November 24, 2019 and the Edmonton Oilers are 16-7-2 but these are early days and there are miles to go before they collapse.

    MUSIC!: One-word Lowetidian exclamation of joy when things actually go right. Example: In the fourth and fifth rounds of the 2015 draft the Oilers chose defencemen Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear. Both have been developed and ripened within the organization and are becoming real NHL defencemen just when we need them. Music!

    NADIR’S RAIDERS: Ralph Nader first became famous in the 1960s as a consumer advocate, most notably vis-à-vis the auto industry and such substandard models as the Chevrolet Corvair and the Ford Pinto. The group of law students who helped him investigate the FTC were known as “Nader’s Raiders.” Nadir is rock bottom, like finishing last in the NHL and picking first in the draft. Then doing it again. I’m sure there’s a joke about Lennart Petrell being unsafe at any speed here somewhere but I can’t quite reach it so here’s a song about a car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYveoz8ga0

    OBC (Old Boy’s Club): The ability to play hockey does not necessarily imply the ability to manage a complex multi-million-dollar hockey franchise. Shocking, I know.

    OUR GRACIOUS HOST: Lowetide himself. He’s all three words. He created an oasis of decency in the ugly sludge of internet commentary. He’s smart and he’s funny. He’s modern and he’s folksy. He’s overworked and underpaid. He’s a beautiful soul and he’s more patient with us than we deserve. He’s all three words.

    OVERRIPEN: The practice of granting more than sufficient development time for players to mature, hone their skills, and build their confidence in the AHL or equivalent. The gold standard for this strategy was Montreal in the 1970s. Then there’s Jesse Puljujarvi.

    PISSCUTTER: A hockey player so good he produces a stream of urine that shines like a shaft of gold when all around is dark and cuts through sheet metal like a Bond villain’s laser.

    PUSHING THE RIVER: Perhaps the quintessential Lowetide term, it refers to a player’s ability to singlehandedly tilt the ice in his team’s favour. Taylor Hall was a river pusher; Jordan Eberle, as much as we loved him, was not. Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, and Neil Young are also river pushers. Andy Williams, as much as we love Breakfast at Tiffany’s, was not.

    REAL AND SPECTACULAR: 1. Ample not gauche, firm not hard, sensitive not ticklish, with perfectly proportioned areolae and nipples.
    2. Oscar Klefbom’s abs. [see Seinfeld episode “The Implant,” Feb. 25, 1993].

    REGRESSION TO THE MEAT: Based on some analytics crap (watch the game, nerds) called regression to the mean. It is the tendency for outliers to stop lying out there. Example: Milan Lucic’s hands might score two goals this week but his head will soon regress to the meat.

    RICKIBOX [TM]: Associated with the enigmatic figure Ricki the Bear, it remains ill-defined. Some believe it is simply the area in front of the goal while others insist it is a place to put a number so that it does not become lost.

    ROBBIE SCHREMP: 1. Edmonton Oilers first-round draft pick (25th overall) in 2004. Scored 57 goals in 57 games for the London Knights. Scored zero goals in seven games over three seasons for the Edmonton Oilers. https://cursingintime.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/sugar-tits/
    2. He does not shine shoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJzNUydlQ4I
    3. He does not make chocolate. http://indifferenttobelgium.blogspot.com

    SAIL ON: The traditional Lowetide farewell salutation when an Oiler leaves the team, often employing a geographically specific alliteration. If, for example, Joakim Nygard were to leave, the headline might be “Sail On, Stockholm Syndrome.”

    SIDEBURNS: What Don Mattingly and Martin Marincin never shaved. [see Simpsons episode “Homer at the Bat,” Feb. 20, 1992].

    SMID: Ladies love him; LT hates him. No one knows why either is true.

    SOFT PARADE: 1. Weak QoC (Quality of Competition) that affects a player’s or line’s production or possession numbers. Example: If the unicorns emerge and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins plays 3C with competent wingers, he might score 50 points against the soft parade.
    2. Not coincidentally, the weakest of The Doors’ six studio albums. Hard to defend these lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZaQyYgAGfQ

    STAN WEIR: Stan Weir bought straight-blade sticks and curved them with his iron will. You don’t know who Stan Weir is? You better pray he doesn’t find out who you are.

    TABERNAC SATURDAY: An acknowledgement of the Oilers’ tendency to lose on Saturday night’s Hockey Night In Canada broadcasts. Not even the sensory assault of Don Cherry’s suits could overcome the need to shout this most sacrilegious of Quebecois profanities.

    UNICORNS: The elusive dream of three scoring lines with three river-pushing centres like Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal 2006-12. The Oilers actually have this potential with McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins and are only six wingers away from making the dream real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bc9UwZsYs

    VEGREVILLE: Las Vegas (but with perogy payouts at the Kaiser tables).

    WE HOPED FOR THE BEST: But it turned out like always.

    WE WAIT: What Lowetidians do indefinitely after a logical and perfectly obvious course of action is publicly suggested.

    WOODMONEY: 1. Something something Woodguy and GMoney… something something brilliant and innovative… something something Puck IQ is amazing: https://lowetide.ca/2017/07/02/its-the-real-thing-woodmoney/
    2. One trick to faking analytics knowledge is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the Red Arrow to Red Deer. I needed a new box for my camping trip. So I decided to go to Moose Jaw, which is what they called Red Deer in those days. So I tied a perogy to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the bus cost a WoodMoney, and in those days WoodMonies had pictures of Stan Weir on ‘em. “Gimme five Stannies for a Pisani,” you’d say.

    YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary, an acknowledgement of differing assessments within a mutually-understood set of parameters. Taken from a common refrain in late 20th century car commercials. I think Ethan Bear is a serious Calder candidate and BoJack Horseman is the best show on TV, but YMMV.

    PART B: BONE-US SECTION! – Entries added by BONE207

    LAST CHANCE TEXACO: A mythical gas station where you either catch the plane to stardom or catch the bus/hitch hike your ass out of the land of milk and honey that is the NHL.

    HOUSE AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD: Slow moving defensemen, forwards that have slow boots and generally anything slower than the speed of light as compared to CONNOR.

    CLOSE ENOUGH FOR JAZZ: The premise that jazz music, often played by four musicians doing different songs, is a good equivalent of among different players doing different things in hockey to be successful.

    WOODGUY: He is the echoing voice heard down the streets of the book, 1984. He tells you what you are doing wrong, how you should see things and has a house with a moat that features a complex to manufacture torches and pointy things.

    PART C: COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY SECTION

    Here are some of the terms suggested by the community that I don’t feel confident defining. Some I have missed completely like The Vaunt or Violently Disagree. Some I don’t remember well enough like the details of the Pike’s Peak story or why we blame Woodguy’s phone for everything.

    ACID EATER (GREBESHKOV)
    ALAS (ANTON LANDER APPRECIATION SOCIETY)
    BARBARA ANN SCOTT
    BECAUSEOILERS
    DRAFT BIBLE (THE HOCKEY NEWS)
    DYS
    FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE FIVE TIMES
    FUCK YOU BOOKJE
    PIKE’S PEAK STORY
    PUBIS THING/PARDUBICE PRINCE (HEMSKY)
    RED WINE SUMMIT
    THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
    THE VAUNT
    TOONCES TAMBELLENI
    VIOLENTLY DISAGREE
    WOODGUY’S PHONE

  16. teddyturnbuckle says:

    What ever happens this spring, this is shaping up to be a playoff run for the ages for Oiler fans! Those Calgary games are going to be huge. If the Oilers bring up Benson and then trade a young D for a young forward. Hang on to your butts.

  17. tileguy says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    What ever happens this spring, this is shaping up to be a playoff run for the ages for Oiler fans!Those Calgary games are going to be huge.If the Oilers bring up Benson and then trade a young D for a young forward. Hang on to your butts.

    Or an old D for a proven scorer.

  18. BAWS says:

    When Leon is on his game and plays with that aggressive meanness he’s unstoppable and controls the rink. I would’ve liked to have seen more from Nuge, but I like this line.
    December was a poor month, but so far this team is beyond what my expectations were for the season so far.
    I trust Holland and I like Tipp. At least we’re icing a competitive team that’s making a hard honest run. Those improvements are huge and have made being a 40 year oil fan a little easier this year.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great win yesterday – full team effort. Mike Smith was a huge part of the win but didn’t steal it. Connor and Leon were parts of the win but didn’t will their team to victory despite lack of depth. Entire team win.

    Important win as the west of the Pacific held as well.

    That’s 5 of 6 points in the last 3 – a win in Toronto on Monday and something is brewing.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Condors are starting to roll now.

    It took them a while last night (the Gulls were likely the better team) but they scraped and clawed until they tied it up,

    The PK as phenomenal. The PP equally atrocious.

    McLeod is getting some PP2 time but Maksi nowhere to be seen.

    Great to see Maksi with the chance in the shootout and he buried the winner.

    Stuart Skinner was outstanding – he was better than Mike Smith last night!

  21. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Great win yesterday – full team effort.Mike Smith was a huge part of the win but didn’t steal it.Connor and Leon were parts of the win but didn’t will their team to victory despite lack of depth.Entire team win.

    Important win as the west of the Pacific held as well.

    That’s 5 of 6 points in the last 3 – a win in Toronto on Monday and something is brewing.

    Smith did not steal it, Boston gave it away. Should of been a 1-1 game going into OT.

  22. jimmers2 says:

    I didn’t actually any games over the Holidays so I’ll leave a question here : Is Yamamoto the quality and permanent winger RNH has been waiting for?

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: It’s entirely possible.

    But OP is insisting Jesse has first round value.

    Don’t think that’s going to happen.

    I did nothing of the sort.

    I posited that Holland was holding out for “1st round pick value” in the return – not that he had that value. If he had that value, the trade would have been consummated.

    You, once again, attach meaning to my posts that is not correct and, given the context of the conversation, I believe the misinterpretation is intentional.

    The entire conversation was in the context of your incorrect post that Puljujarvi has less than zero value – factually incorrect as teams have offered up assets for his rights – hence positive value. You stated that a 5th and 7th round return was not available, again, incorrect as the reports have been that the asset value offered up was akin to a 2nd round pick.

    The only reference to 1st round pick value was vis-a-vis what Holland is holding out for.

  24. blainer says:

    Neal McDavid Kassian
    Nygard Drai Yammo
    Benson Nuge Hass
    JJ/ Chase Shea Archie

  25. leadfarmer says:

    Ignore the troll.
    Hes just trolling.
    No reason to reply to him
    He will just troll

  26. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jimmers2:
    I didn’tactually any games over the Holidays so I’ll leave a question here : Is Yamamoto the quality and permanentwinger RNH has been waiting for?

    I think it depends on who the other player is. Yama is more skilled than the guys other than the top 3, and that means he is better at making plays, which is what is lacking IMO. Also a buzzsaw.

    The team can have trouble creating HDSC off the cycle consistently. They can keep the puck, but can’t attack enough off of it as the strong teams can. They play it to the point but the quality of chance is low from point shots as we know. Sometimes that should be the plan if the opponent is crowding the slot, teh idea is drawing the wingers out to open up ice. Good cycling really matters in the playoffs depending on the opponent and where the refs whistles are located (like in their pocket).

    That being said Yama is tiny and Nuge is a light player. Another smaller player on that line and teams will try to hit them and get them off their game IMO. It’s low hanging fruit. With Drai, especially being mean, it gives that line balance.

    TO me Yama needs a bigger C or opposite winger with some physicality and skill. Kassian might work, but it seems they like him watching Connor’s back, which I agree with given the amount of abuse Connor takes at the moment.

    Any player that is better than another on the roster is an upgrade. I see Benson also helping more than some, even if neither rookie becomes a top 6 regular. And they are free leaving assets to perhaps get a more established winger. And another goalie. And better 3C.

  27. dolenator says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I rhought the Condors were the better team for the majority of the game but the last 10 minutes was all gulls and skinner was huge to get it to overtime. The gulls put a lot of pucks on net but i thought the Condors did a decent job of keeping them to the outside and cleaning up rebounds. Maximovs shoot out goal was a thing of beauty

  28. Reja says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    What ever happens this spring, this is shaping up to be a playoff run for the ages for Oiler fans!Those Calgary games are going to be huge.If the Oilers bring up Benson and then trade a young D for a young forward. Hang on to your butts.

    What exactly does Holland have against Benson is It because he used to be a Butler.

  29. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    J-Bo,

    With Benson’s board work and soft hands, he could be the catalyst needed to get the Sheahan line scoring. He could come in and replace JJ for a spell and if he moves up on merit great. If not, no harm going back to the farm with a to do list.

  30. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I did nothing of the sort.

    I posited that Holland was holding out for “1st round pick value” in the return – not that he had that value.If he had that value, the trade would have been consummated.

    You, once again, attach meaning to my posts that is not correct and, given the context of the conversation, I believe the misinterpretation is intentional.

    The entire conversation was in the context of your incorrect post that Puljujarvi has less than zero value – factually incorrect as teams have offered up assets for his rights – hence positive value.You stated that a 5th and 7th round return was not available, again, incorrect as the reports have been that the asset value offered up was akin to a 2nd round pick.

    The only reference to 1st round pick value was vis-a-vis what Holland is holding out for.

    Still arguing with HH. Good luck with that.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: Smith did not steal it, Boston gave it away. Should of been a 1-1 game going into OT.

    Boston lost in the way we are used to seeing the Oilers lose – play OK, even well and better than the other team at points, yes make egregious mistakes and/or egregious tending and lose.

    The Oilers didn’t make the egregious mistakes, their tender was solid and they won a fairly evenly played game. They took advantage of the opponent’s mistakes.

    Full team win, in my opinion.

  32. dessert1111 says:

    Re: Benson, I’m not so sure the right play isn’t to leave him down another 10-15 games as Yamamoto gets acclimated and see where he fits then.

    I agree with the poster who said the best fit is probably the 1st line with Neal back to RW on the second or third line. It would mean Chiasson sits, because I think Khairan is a better fit on the grinding line.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Stauffer (my guess is just maintenance for Klef who played 28 minutes last night):
    Practice in Toronto:

    Neal-McDavid-Kassian
    RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
    Nygard-Haas-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald
    Gagner/P.Russell

    Nurse-Bear
    Lagesson-Larsson
    Jones-K. Russell
    (Klefbom not on the ice)

    Smith
    Koskinen

  34. Richard Roma says:

    leadfarmer:
    Ignore the troll.
    Hes just trolling.
    No reason to reply to him
    He will just troll

    If you consider HH to be a troll, that’s fair I guess.

    However, you’ve written a litany of posts advising us not to reply to him, yet you yourself keep doing it.

    No one replies to HH more than you and OP.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: What exactly does Holland have against Benson is It because he used to be a Butler.

    The Oilers currently have 4 rookies on the roster plus North American rookies in Nygard and Haas.

    Benson is only 1/2 way in to his second pro season – his time is coming, it will be this year, but the fact he hasn’t been called up yet isn’t egregious. He’s a 21 year old and is developing and earning his call.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    J-Bo,

    With Benson’s board work and soft hands, he could be the catalyst needed to get the Sheahan line scoring. He could come in and replace JJ for a spell and if he moves up on merit great. If not, no harm going back to the farm with a to do list.

    I see some merit to that but would note that it is the opposite of what the GM wants – Holland has spoken about not wanting to call up a kid and then have to send the kid back down a few weeks later.

  37. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    That would also be my preference.

    Bring him up when his path is clear.

    I’d also prefer to see Benson on a soft-minutes skill line but there’s no harm in having him earn his stripes, either.

  38. stephen sheps says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    OP, if I recall correctly, our gracious host has a soft rule about carrying over conversations from the previous day’s thread into the current one.

    Yesterday’s conversation between you and HH (and several other posters who chose to pile onto it) was dreadful, no fun and consisted of you two mostly talking in circles without listening to the other party’s point of view. It also killed the thread after what was a great win and a mostly good conversation.

    I think many would appreciate it if you left this one alone and also refrained from bringing previous content into a new day’s discussion. Please kindly drop your argument with HH, at least for today, allow the forum to breathe a little and maybe talk about some other things.

    cheers

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great action in the first 8 minutes – super fact.

    Goodness Cozens can fly.

  40. geowal says:

    It feels a little surreal to be watching this Canada game on my tv from home and not up close in Ostrava, more far away.

  41. jimmers2 says:

    Scungilli,

    Thanks for taking the time to write an interesting answer.

    Mike York was a useful player back in the day. Though it didn’t take long for the Oilers to break him… I am also eager to see what Benson can do but mostly am just hoping for a stable and productive situation for RNH. .

    Jim

    Scungilli Slushy: I think it depends on who the other player is. Yama is more skilled than the guys other than the top 3, and that means he is better at making plays, which is what is lacking IMO. Also a buzzsaw.

    The team can have trouble creating HDSC off the cycle consistently. They can keep the puck, but can’t attack enough off of it as the strong teams can. They play it to the point but the quality of chance is low from point shots as we know. Sometimes that should be the plan if the opponent is crowding the slot, teh idea is drawing the wingers out to open up ice. Good cycling really matters in the playoffs depending on the opponent and where the refs whistles are located (like in their pocket).

    That being said Yama is tiny and Nuge is a light player. Another smaller player on that line and teams will try to hit them and get them off their game IMO. It’s low hanging fruit. With Drai, especially being mean, it gives that line balance.

    TO me Yama needs a bigger C or opposite winger with some physicality and skill. Kassian might work, but it seems they like him watching Connor’s back, which I agree with given the amount of abuse Connor takes at the moment.

    Any player that is better than another on the roster is an upgrade. I see Benson also helping more than some, even if neither rookie becomes a top 6 regular. And they are free leaving assets to perhaps get a more established winger. And another goalie. And better 3C.

  42. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Oilers currently have 4 rookies on the roster plus North American rookies in Nygard and Haas.

    Benson is only 1/2 way in to his second pro season – his time is coming, it will be this year, but the fact he hasn’t been called up yet isn’t egregious. He’s a 21 year old and is developing and earning his call.

    With the heavy salaries up top all teams have multiple rookies playing or a handful on ELC either way it’s a young mans league Benson is skilled winger that’s almost 22 what exactly are they waiting for.

  43. jp says:

    blainer:

    This team can surprise if we can just get the goaltending. What happened last night is what gets teams to the promised land. I still have very little confidence in the goalers but do think Koskinen would make a decent backup.

    Even with the teams struggles in December I was surprised to see Koskinen is still tied for 12th in SV% (goalies with 20 or more games).

    We’re half way through the season, he’s avoided any extended slumps. He’s 14-8-2. It may not have changed your confidence in him but he’s played like an NHL starter. So far so good.

    And just maybe Smith isn’t completely done either.

  44. geowal says:

    stephen sheps,

    Very well said. Especially if you go so far as to copy the original comment from the old thread into the new thread. Talk about not letting it die.

  45. Ben says:

    Can we pull off an in-final trade of the Reklaws for Pussy Riot here?

  46. Lowetide says:

    Ben:
    Can we pull off an in-final trade of the Reklaws for Pussy Riot here?

    I’ve never heard a note of Pussy Riot’s music, but based on name alone I’m prepared to call them the greatest rock and roll band in history. How the Stones didn’t name an album Pussy Riot is a question for the ages.

  47. Reja says:

    CCCP scores up 1-0 halfway through the second.

  48. Todd Macallan says:

    Wow has Canada been getting the Oilers treatment from the refs so far, wow.

    Edit: as I post this, Canada gets a 2 min 5 on 3 haha, let’s go b’ys!

  49. geowal says:

    Looks like a 2 minute 5 on 3 for Canada, great opportunity to tie it up

  50. geowal says:

    That was quick, let’s get another!

  51. Reja says:

    geowal:
    Looks like a 2 minute 5 on 3 for Canada, great opportunity to tie it up

    Nice dive for the 2nd penalty.

  52. Bag of Pucks says:

    New metric!

    PCP – Poster Corsi Percentage
    (Daily Individual Posts / Total Posts = PCP)

    Yesterday’s Leaders (481 Total Posts)

    21.6% – Original Pouzar (104 posts)
    8.1% – Reja (39 posts)
    7.9% – Harpers Hair (38 posts)

    3 possession pisscutters! Shoot from any angle at any time. Like the Great One, these pros understand that you miss 100% of the posts you don’t make.

    That’s PCP!

    Watch for the supplemental metric soon – OCD (Obvious Conversation Dominance) 😲

  53. BONE207 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    New metric!

    PCP – Poster Corsi Percentage
    (Daily Individual Posts / Total Posts = PCP)

    Yesterday’s Leaders (481 Total Posts)

    21.6% – Original Pouzar (104 posts)
    8.1% – Reja (39 posts)
    7.9% – Harpers Hair (38 posts)

    3 possession pisscutters! Shoot from any angle at any time. Like the Great One, these pros understand that you miss 100% of the posts you don’t make.

    That’s PCP!

    Watch for the supplemental metric soon – OCD (Obvious Conversation Dominance)

    Ha…awesome. I often wondered about the PCP some days. Thanks for the laugh. Now if we can cut down the OCD, the thread could knit quite a sweater. 😁

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    He hasn’t got much ice with all the special teams but Lavoie with a beauty pass to send McMichael in all alone with a chance to tie the game in the third but no goal.

  55. VanIsleOil says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    New metric!

    PCP – Poster Corsi Percentage
    (Daily Individual Posts / Total Posts = PCP)

    Yesterday’s Leaders (481 Total Posts)

    21.6% – Original Pouzar (104 posts)
    8.1% – Reja (39 posts)
    7.9% – Harpers Hair (38 posts)

    3 possession pisscutters! Shoot from any angle at any time. Like the Great One, these pros understand that you miss 100% of the posts you don’t make.

    That’s PCP!

    Watch for the supplemental metric soon – OCD (Obvious Conversation Dominance)

    Geez…over 1/3 of all the posts done by 2 & a troll….. disintegrated into horawful reading later in the night and early morning.

  56. geowal says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Lol. I actually did a similar exercise about a week ago, never posted the result. In a ~300 post thread, about 25% of posts were either by or responses to HH. The responses are really where things can get derailed.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    I don’t think he got a point on either, but Lavoie in the picture on both the 2nd and 4th Canadian goals.

  58. Bag of Pucks says:

    geowal:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Lol. I actually did a similar exercise about a week ago, never posted the result. In a ~300 post thread, about 25% of posts were either by or responses to HH. The responses are really where things can get derailed.

    Yep, early days with this metric but it seems to smoke the competition’s PCP, you’ve got to really crave it first.

  59. VanIsleOil says:

    Gold for Canada!!!! Down 3-1 in the third, the boys got it together with an amazing comeback.

  60. tileguy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Yep, early days with this metric but it seems to smoke the competition’s PCP, you’ve got to really crave it first.

    Small sample size?

  61. Nit64 says:

    Of course you win gold when your goaler is a HOFer.

  62. Jethro Tull says:

    Jimmy Hoffa should have been player of the game.

  63. Bag of Pucks says:

    tileguy: Small sample size?

    About a pipe’s worth.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Next tourney, the trophy will be presented by new IIHF President, Bob Nicholson.

  65. Jethro Tull says:

    Finn’s never miss an opportunity to stick it to the Russians.

  66. geowal says:

    What a comeback. And bizarre sequence of penalties. 2 of these silly let your stick go on a 20 ft loop in the air penalties in one game, the Russian (incredibly stupidly) trying to play at a puck with a very broken stick, that camera out of play/not in play (Ferraro notes TSN made sure it would not be in play), among others.
    But some great goals that were full value for the comeback as well. Great shot by Hayton with a half shoulder.

  67. tileguy says:

    Why was there no penalty for puck over the glass?

  68. tileguy says:

    tileguy:
    Why was there no penalty for puck over the glass?

    Only thing I can think of was that it was an agreed upon rule before the start of thr tournament

  69. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    VanIsleOil,

    #s match the eye test

    did not see them good either

  70. Mr DeBakey says:

    Bag of Pucks: (Daily Individual Posts / Total Posts = PCP)

    Daily Individual Posts can be called “DIPs”, yes?
    Save a pixel, earn a pixel. Or, something.

  71. Bag of Pucks says:

    Mr DeBakey: Daily Individual Posts can be called “DIPs”, yes?
    Save a pixel, earn a pixel. Or, something.

    It’s an emerging body of knowledge. I’m happy whatever direction the enquiry takes it.

  72. gogliano says:

    geowal:
    Bag of Pucks,

    Lol. I actually did a similar exercise about a week ago, never posted the result. In a ~300 post thread, about 25% of posts were either by or responses to HH. The responses are really where things can get derailed.

    At the same time users like myself have mostly stopped posting because of the HH trolling & its elicited responses. I.e., the chilling of non-HH posts is a secondary effect not captured by the data.

  73. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Now that Kailer Yamamoto and William Lagesson are in Edmonton, who’s next? Who is trending? Is there a unique skill set on the farm that fits a need?

    https://theathletic.com/1510488/2020/01/05/lowetide-oilers-farmhands-are-pushing-hard-for-nhl-jobs/

  74. jm363561 says:

    stephen sheps:
    OriginalPouzar,

    OP,if I recall correctly, our gracious host has a soft rule about carrying over conversations from the previous day’s thread into the current one.

    Yesterday’s conversation between you and HH (and several other posters who chose to pile onto it) was dreadful, no fun and consisted of you two mostly talking in circles without listening to the other party’s point of view. It also killed the thread after what was a great win and a mostly good conversation.

    I think many would appreciate it if you left this one alone and also refrained from bringing previous content into a new day’s discussion. Please kindly drop your argument with HH, at least for today, allow the forum to breathe a little and maybe talk about some other things.

    cheers

    =======
    Totally agree. I have tuned out the last few weeks as I got so fed up with this tiresome back and forth. Now this has been extended to bringing over issues from previous threads ….. Sigh.

    OP – if you must react like a scalded cat to every frigging post can you not exchange contact details with HH and do so privately?

  75. BONE207 says:

    geowal:
    What a comeback. And bizarre sequence of penalties. 2 of these silly let your stick go on a 20 ft loop in the air penalties in one game, the Russian (incredibly stupidly) trying to play at a puck with a very broken stick, that camera out of play/not in play (Ferraro notes TSN made sure it would not be in play), among others.
    But some great goals that were full value for the comeback as well. Great shot by Hayton with a half shoulder

    I don’t know how you feel about the Russians but they do that rope-a-dope thing well. Much like Italian soccer teams, they do penalty/injury feinting to dramatic effect. They only make the round robin so they advance but don’t seem to dominate. Then they pour it on & usually make the finals. I thought they were the better team until penalties caught up with them. That’s when their game falls apart.
    In my Yute, I remember playing against them. We were down early, 5-0. We got a couple of goals & then they started turning on each other , fighting. We won 7-5. Maybe a cultural thing.
    https://youtu.be/0do5xlE9C_A

  76. v4ance says:

    Tuned in to Can-Rus Gold medal game with 12 mins left in 3rd and Russia up 2-1. When they scored to make it 3-1 I was saddened but I just thought, “get one goal, claw back….”

    Then McMichael scored about 40 secs after the Russians and I saw the glimmer of hope. Then Hayton on the PP to tie it and I felt the mo going in Canada’s favor but the Russans were still dangerous on every rush. Then the go ahead goal from Thomas brought me to my feet.

    Canada got very very lucky to win. Bahl took a penalty with less than 3 mins to go and Canada should have been down 5 on 3 after the puck went over the glass. When they didn’t get the deserved call, the Russians self destructed with two more penalties and the Canadians burned off the remaining time in the Russian zone for the win.

  77. Ben says:

    jm363561: Totally agree. I have tuned out the last few weeks as I got so fed up with this tiresome back and forth. Now this has been extended to bringing over issues from previous threads ….. Sigh.

    Agreed.

    Acknowledging that BOP/OP/Reja/HH et al all bring something unique and worthy to the blog, can I humbly request that each of you grow up a little and stop bitching and moaning at each other interminably?

    Please and thanks!

  78. hunter1909 says:

    BONE207: I don’t know how you feel about the Russians but they do that rope-a-dope thing well. Much like Italian soccer teams, they do penalty/injury feinting to dramatic effect. They only make the round robin so they advance but don’t seem to dominate. Then they pour it on & usually make the finals. I thought they were the better team until penalties caught up with them. That’s when their game falls apart.
    In my Yute, I remember playing against them. We were down early, 5-0. We got a couple of goals & then they started turning on each other , fighting. We won 7-5. Maybe a cultural thing.
    https://youtu.be/0do5xlE9C_A

    The Soviets played like machines. Russians play like temperamental artists.

  79. Bag of Pucks says:

    Tough challenge for our Eagles LT.

    Wentz potentially out for the game concussed. Have to hope old man McCown can find some Foles mojo.

    Fletcher Cox playing like a beast.

  80. hunter1909 says:

    Great to see Oilers clinging onto respectability by beating Boston yesterday. The question is: Is this turnaround real or a lucky hiccup?

  81. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Tough challenge for our Eagles LT.

    Wentz potentially out for the game concussed. Have to hope old man McCown can find some Foles mojo.

    Fletcher Cox playing like a beast.

    I love Fletcher Cox. He’s on my Eagles wall with Carmichael, McNabb, White, Randall and McCoy.

  82. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: I love Fletcher Cox. He’s on my Eagles wall with Carmichael, McNabb, White, Randall and McCoy.

    Good list. I somehow find space for Dawkins, Foles and Ertz on there too. I’m greedy!

    They’re hanging in with tough D and a rushing attack. The worry is the inevitable big play from Russell Wilson.

  83. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks: Good list. I somehow find space for Dawkins, Foles and Ertz on there too. I’m greedy!

    They’re hanging in with tough D and a rushing attack. The worry is the inevitable big play from Russell Wilson.

    Dawkins should have been on my list, I excluded Foles but he’ll always be a favourite. I love Ertz but if I include him I have to include Quick and Charle Young. 🙂

  84. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jm363561,

    OP – if you must react like a scalded cat to every frigging post can you not exchange contact details with HH and do so privately?

    This is a good idea.

    OP on Twitter is @coopsie39

    HH on Twitter is @oceansidewebtv

    Please beat the hell out of each other there an not here.

    Also,

    Please don’t fight in your DMs but in your general TL so I can watch.

    Thank you in advance.

    🙂

  85. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I see some merit to that but would note that it is the opposite of what the GM wants – Holland has spoken about not wanting to call up a kid and then have to send the kid back down a few weeks later.

    I would imagine the callup has some input from Woodcroft.

    As it should be.

  86. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909:
    Great to see Oilers clinging onto respectability by beating Boston yesterday. The question is: Is this turnaround real or a lucky hiccup?

    They played well and every line had positive corgis after the 2nd.

    Once McHeyHey scored a buck forty eight into the 3rd the score effects took full effect.

    Smith was full value.

  87. Wilde says:

    It’s less Manning and more having Persson play with anyone but Lowe =]

  88. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    That would also be my preference.

    Bring him up when his path is clear.

    I’d also prefer to see Benson on a soft-minutes skill line but there’s no harm in having him earn his stripes, either.

    Benson is more suited to the NHL than Yama. Yama first might be Woodcroft, or might also be a look see for Holland.

  89. Bag of Pucks says:

    Lowetide: Dawkins should have been on my list, I excluded Foles but he’ll always be a favourite. I love Ertz but if I include him I have to include Quick and Charle Young.

    Crap. Was hoping they could hold them to a field goal there.

    Funny how Jaws gets no love from either of us. Guy hung in the pocket and took a ton of beatings to make a play. The Polish Rifle was a tough SOB.

  90. Lowetide says:

    Bag of Pucks: Crap. Was hoping they could hold them to a field goal there.

    Funny how Jaws gets no love from either of us. Guy hung in the pocket and took a ton of beatings to make a play. The Polish Rifle was a tough SOB.

    haha. He’s like a friend who ended up being the manager. I love Jaws, but almost every QB since was a better athlete.

  91. Lowetide says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Benson is more suited to the NHL than Yama. Yama first might be Woodcroft, or might also be a look see for Holland.

    It could be foot speed

  92. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    jm363561,

    OP – if you must react like a scalded cat to every frigging post can you not exchange contact details with HH and do so privately?

    This is a good idea.

    OP on Twitter is @coopsie39

    HH on Twitter is @oceansidewebtv

    Please beat the hell out of each other there an not here.

    Also,

    Please don’t fight in your DMs but in your general TL so I can watch.

    Thank you in advance.

    🙂

    How do we know that score effects are affecting the game and not just a good team beating down a poor one and not being able to score?

    Is the definition just that the better team is being outscored

    Would we expect to see superior shot volume for the side that is losing, but a neutral HDSC metric as more chances are given up going the other way?

  93. tileguy says:

    Somebody tell Andrew Smith that the CBC edited out that Trump bit in Home Alone way back in 2014 for more commercial time and he should delete those misleading tweets.

  94. just sayin says:

    Too bad we can’t colour the HH trolling and responses yellow so that we can skip over them without reading. It would make reading here so much more pleasurable.

  95. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    So SJS was up 3-2 on WSH in the 3rd.

    Kane with a great game and had all 3 SJS goals.

    WSH pull their goalie and Couture gets an empty-netter and makes it 4-2 with exactly one minute to go.

    WSH keeps the goalie pulled.

    Vrana makes it 4-3 13 seconds after they drop the puck after the Couture goal.

    WSH keeps the goalie pulled.

    Oshie ties it 32 seconds after they drop the puck after the Vrana goal. There was 15 seconds left in the game.

    OT

    Eller scores 2:01 in and WSH books 2 points after being down by 2 with a minute to go.

    That’s a giant punch to the yaystses for SJS.

    They’ve had the coach fired, gone 5-5-0 since but I can see this game giving every player a “fuck it, we’re done” mind set.

    Goalies.

    Man.

  96. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: It could be foot speed

    Doesn’t seem to be holding Chaisson back
    But Chaisson is the winger that I would swap Benson out for.
    So what’s the hold up?

  97. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Interesting take.

    I see a role for both on the big club. It would be interesting to see them both together on a skilled soft minutes third line with Nuge as the centre. That would be a skilled and tenacious line that could carve up softer opposition. They would be familiar with one another from time spent in BAK and Nuge is well suited to play the Horcoff role for two skilled rookies. Especially if he’s not tasked with the Getzlaf’s and Seguin’s of the world.

    Would need to find two competent wingers for Drai first, to try that experiment.

  98. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: It could be foot speed

    I haven’t watched Condors, but is he that slow?

    Worse than Gags, Chia and Neal?

    If so trade him now.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of note, Willis asked Tippett about Benning’s status and, while he’s not with the team, he is skating back in Edmonton and could join the team on the trip. I doubt he does, however, the verbal remains positive about a fairly quick return now. Good for the player (the person) and the team.

    As a side note, Neal was asked about Nuge and his worth and he did mention that he had been playing with a few injuries but is getting back to health. Nothing “official” here but it sounded like it was maybe something in addition to the hand that has been hampering Ryan this year.

    Its going to be a fun one in Toronto tomorrow.

  100. Lowetide says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I haven’t watched Condors, but is he that slow?

    Worse than Gags, Chia and Neal?

    If so trade him now.

    No, I don’t think so. But the choice was between Benson and Yamamoto, and Yamamoto is faster than Benson

  101. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull: How do we know that score effects are affecting the game and not just a good team beating down a poor one and not being able to score?

    Is the definition just that the better team is being outscored

    Would we expect to see superior shot volume for the side that is losing, but a neutral HDSC metric as more chances are given up going the other way?

    With 12 years of shot data we know that every team, good one and bad ones, tend to seriously out corsi their opponents when down in the 3rd.

    It’s so ubiquitous that it even got named “score effects”.

  102. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Wilde:
    It’s less Manning and more having Persson play with anyone but Lowe =]

    Mr Wilde,
    What do you think the Oilers should do with Persson?
    He seemed almost ready for NHL but also seemed like he could use some AHL time so I am glad to see him get it. He is getting ppg> bouch but I don’t know who is getting pp time.

    After the vacuum of eternal emptiness that has been the RD position with this organization for 6 years or so I am titillated at the possibility of all this potential AND depth In this position (Lars, Bear, Benn, Pers, Bouch, Berg), but not sure how it will or could play out to the teams best advantage. Your insights are appreciated. Thanks.

  103. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    just sayin:
    Too bad we can’t colour the HH trolling and responses yellow so that we can skip over them without reading. It would make reading here so much more pleasurable.

    Every poster’s SN is in bold before their post.

    That helps.

  104. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Interesting take.

    I see a role for both on the big club. It would be interesting to see them both together on a skilled soft minutes third line with Nuge as the centre. That would be a skilled and tenacious line that could carve up softer opposition. They would be familiar with one another from time spent in BAK and Nuge is well suited to play the Horcoff role for two skilled rookies. Especially if he’s not tasked with the Getzlaf’s and Seguin’s of the world.

    Would need to find two competent wingers for Drai first, to try that experiment.

    I think talent wise yes, but then you have a line with no eilte player, no elite skater, where the heaviest guy is 190 and the tallest 6 feet.

    I keep mentioning this because as an opposing coach your job is to win. So when they see a line like that the easiest counter is push them around.

    Maybe they are all Gallaghers. I don’t think so. And Gallaghers get hurt too much.

    Smaller players and shorter players need to play a speed. skill, excellent stick game IMO. Use brains because trying to use brawn in the best league against guys who the average player is at least 10 pounds heavier if you’re 190, history shows us doesn’t work well.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    geowal:
    It feels a little surreal to be watching this Canada game on my tv from home and not up close in Ostrava, more far away.

    Glad your travels home were safe!

  106. jtblack says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I haven’t watched Condors, but is he that slow?

    Worse than Gags, Chia and Neal?

    If so trade him now.

    Benson’s achilles heel is his skating He has a “wierd” hitch in his skating stride. He has an abundance of skill.

    Junior he did well, given his injuries.
    AHL he’s done well too…
    Question is can he get to the puck (play) in the NHL. I think he can be a good support player but nobody knows.

    I would say he is Gagner boots comparable

  107. Reja says:

    geowal:
    What a comeback. And bizarre sequence of penalties. 2 of these silly let your stick go on a 20 ft loop in the air penalties in one game, the Russian (incredibly stupidly) trying to play at a puck with a very broken stick, that camera out of play/not in play (Ferraro notes TSN made sure it would not be in play), among others.
    But some great goals that were full value for the comeback as well. Great shot by Hayton with a half shoulder.

    The Russian Captain had a split sec to react when his stick broke its natural instinct what he did in my opinion.

  108. Bag of Pucks says:

    just sayin:
    Too bad we can’t colour the HH trolling and responses yellow so that we can skip over them without reading. It would make reading here so much more pleasurable.

    A Like feature might actually be useful. It would reward those posters that are posting comments that the rest of the community feels most interested and engaged with, and help them stand out from the crowd.

    Something like Wonder Llama’s amazingly creative site lexicon springs to mind. That post almost got overlooked under subsequent volume until a handful of posters encouraged him to repost and other posters to go back and have a look. Then more posters start offering suggestions. That type of community interaction is really positive and enjoyable.

  109. tileguy says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Mr Wilde,
    What do you think the Oilers should do with Persson?
    He seemed almost ready for NHL but also seemed like he could use some AHL time so I am glad to see him get it. He is getting ppg> bouch but I don’t know who is getting pp time.

    After the vacuum of eternal emptiness that has been the RD position with this organization for 6 years or so I am titillated at the possibility of all this potential AND depth In this position (Lars, Bear, Benn, Pers, Bouch, Berg), but not sure how it will or could play out to the teams best advantage. Your insights are appreciated. Thanks.

    Mr. Woodguys opinion would also be welcomed on this matter.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: Only thing I can think of was that it was an agreed upon rule before the start of thr tournament

    From what I read, the camera is deemed “part of the glass” so it was actually the correct non-call (although silly that the camera, clearly out of play, is deemed as such.

  111. jtblack says:

    Tampa Bay 3rd game in 4 nights Gonna win 7th straight. Gaining some mojo now

    Mitchell Stephens scored his 2nd goal. He was the #33 pick in 2015. 😭

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Benson is more suited to the NHL than Yama. Yama first might be Woodcroft, or might also be a look see for Holland.

    Benson is the better player on the boards and the better player “with the puck” but what makes you say he’s better suited to the NHL than Yamamoto?

    I ask mainly due to skating, not speed necessarily, but quickness.

    Yama isn’t that fast of a player but he’s a quick player and that has proven to be a big asset in the last week.

    I hear/read all about “slow boots” being a major hurdle and its the one thing than could keep Benson as a tweener (although I don’t think it will – his skating has improved due to his immense work ethic and recovery from the lower body injuries and he has some high end vision/skill).

  113. Ben says:

    OriginalPouzar: From what I read, the camera is deemed “part of the glass” so it was actually the correct non-call (although silly that the camera, clearly out of play, is deemed as such.

    But there was that weird verbal that TSN had purposefully installed the camera back from the glass so it would not be “over the ice surface” or whatever.

    Anyhow, glad the call wasn’t directly determinant of a goal counting or not. Crazy game with a bunch of absurd calls and play-acting on the ice.

  114. Reja says:

    Ben: But there was that weird verbal that TSN had purposefully installed the camera back from the glass so it would not be “over the ice surface” or whatever.

    Anyhow, glad the call wasn’t directly determinant of a goal counting or not. Crazy game with a bunch of absurd calls and play-acting on the ice.

    If the shoe was on the other foot TSN etc would be cryin bloody murder.

  115. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Fair perspective.

    I do recall reports of Benson’s edge being part of what got him named captain of the WHL Giants. He’s no shrinking violet, as his competence along the boards would suggest.

    Nuge is more greasy than he gets credit for. I still remember him reverse checking Morrow in his rookie year after taking some abuse. Morrow was out for about two weeks with back issues.

    If Yammer can play quick as he has been he has a chance. He’s elusive and thinks the game at a high level.

    They all have good hands and vision. I’d wager chemistry would matter more than grit, especially when they’re matched up against other teams’ bottom six.

    As I said, it would be an interesting experiment.

    Conversely, keep Yammer with Drai and Nuge. Bring up Benson to replace JJ on the Sheahan line and see if he adds some scoring. If he can shine in those minutes, he would have earned a promotion on merit.

  116. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0: With 12 years of shot data we know that every team, good one and bad ones, tend to seriously out corsi their opponents when down in the 3rd.

    It’s so ubiquitous that it even got named “score effects”.

    Sweet! Also, I just noticed it quoted a post different from the one I intended to reply to.

    Just letting you know that your phone is doing some weird space/time shit. Or I replied to the wrong post.

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Back when hockeyanalysis.com was up it showed a team’s corsi down 1, down 2, down 3 etc.

    It showed how strong these scores effected shot share. That site is gone now as the proprietor was hired by CGY 3-4 years ago.

    The only one I can find now is NaturalStatTrick, but they only have “down one”

    Median CF% for all teams this season at various scores:

    All scores: 49.9
    Tied: 49.7
    Down 1 goal: 53.8%

    Iirc it does to ~56% when down 2 and ~60% down 2.

    Score effect are a thing.

    This piece by Travis Yost from 2015 explains it well: https://www.tsn.ca/talent/score-effects-provide-critical-context-in-stats-analysis-1.365877

  118. Jethro Tull says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    That’s pretty fascinating. It really underlines the “don’t defend in your own end” philosophy. Must differ from team to team, too.

  119. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    So SJS was up 3-2 on WSH in the 3rd.

    Kane with a great game and had all 3 SJS goals.

    WSH pull their goalie and Couture gets an empty-netter andmakes it 4-2 with exactly one minute to go.

    WSH keeps the goalie pulled.

    Vrana makes it 4-3 13 seconds after they drop the puck after the Couture goal.

    WSH keeps the goalie pulled.

    Oshie ties it 32 seconds after they drop the puck after the Vrana goal.There was 15 seconds left in the game.

    OT

    Eller scores 2:01 in and WSH books 2 points after being down by 2 with a minute to go.

    That’s a giant punch to the yaystses for SJS.

    They’ve had the coach fired, gone 5-5-0 since but I can see this game giving every player a “fuck it, we’re done”mind set.

    Goalies.

    Man.

    Holy holy shit!!! I wish I saw that. Meltdown of epic proportions.

  120. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Of note, Willis asked Tippett about Benning’s status and, while he’s not with the team, he is skating back in Edmonton and could join the team on the trip. I doubt he does, however, the verbal remains positive about a fairly quick return now.Good for the player (the person) and the team.

    As a side note, Neal was asked about Nuge and his worth and he did mention that he had been playing with a few injuries but is getting back to health.Nothing “official” here but it sounded like it was maybe something in addition to the hand that has been hampering Ryan this year.

    Its going to be a fun one in Toronto tomorrow.

    This doesn’t surprise me at all.

  121. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    LT, did you notice Mercer received his gold medal right after Lavoie and Rodrigue?
    Could it be a sign??

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Mr Wilde,
    What do you think the Oilers should do with Persson?
    He seemed almost ready for NHL but also seemed like he could use some AHL time so I am glad to see him get it. He is getting ppg> bouch but I don’t know who is getting pp time.

    After the vacuum of eternal emptiness that has been the RD position with this organization for 6 years or so I am titillated at the possibility of all this potential AND depth In this position (Lars, Bear, Benn, Pers, Bouch, Berg), but not sure how it will or could play out to the teams best advantage. Your insights are appreciated. Thanks.

    They are both getting PP time, along with Day although Bouch more PP1 for sure.

    With that said, the PP is the one area where I’m actually disappointed in Bouch’s game. This could be a function of the PP simply not being very good overall (the coach’s have run alot of Joe G., Malone, etc. out there and very little McLeod and, essentially, no Maksimov) but, even so, I haven’t seen him as much of a creator on the PP and he’s made quite a few turnovers and mistakes at the line over the course of the year.

    Don’t get me wrong, this post isn’t a negative on Bouch overall – his offensive skills (PP, getting his shot through, transition pass) are not what he is focussing on and we know they are NHL caliber skills.

    The skills he’s been asked to work on (urgency in puck retrieval and defending, net front battle and positioning, etc.) are indeed improving. His defence of the defending blue line off the rush has improved leaps and bounds.

    At least that’s how I’ve seen his game.

  123. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jtblack: Benson’s achilles heel is his skating He has a “wierd” hitch in his skating stride. He has an abundance of skill.

    Junior he did well, given his injuries.
    AHL he’s done well too…
    Question is can he get to thepuck (play) in the NHL.I think he can be a good support player but nobody knows.

    I would say he is Gagner boots comparable

    It perplexes me why the Oilers aren’t all over that. Maybe they are, but historically they graduate bland skaters.

    Correct training can improve that, unless there is a problem of some kind, and in that case….

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    One thing I’m looking forward to in the 2nd half of the year is, with the recalls of Jones, Lagesson and Yamamoto, and likely Benson in somewhat short order, is the extra at bats for our higher end rookie pros that are settling in to their pro careers.

    Bouchard has already been elevated and maybe Sammy will get some extra at bats – the joy in Woody’s voice is most apparent to me when he’s talking about Dimitri.

    While Maksi and McLeod have been mainstays on the PK all year, they’ve received little top 6 or PP time – McLeod received some PP2 time this weekend and Maksi got the shootout attempt over the likes of Currie.

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Benson is the better player on the boards and the better player “with the puck” but what makes you say he’s better suited to the NHL than Yamamoto?

    I ask mainly due to skating, not speed necessarily, but quickness.

    Yama isn’t that fast of a player but he’s a quick player and that has proven to be a big asset in the last week.

    I hear/read all about “slow boots” being a major hurdle and its the one thing than could keep Benson as a tweener (although I don’t think it will – his skating has improved due to his immense work ethic and recovery from the lower body injuries and he has some high end vision/skill).

    Because outside of elite talent 2 way play, puck protection and board play are what keep players in the league.

    If you aren’t a big time out scorer you have to play a full game to be a contributor on a contender. Yama has all that but has to show he can outplay his significant size disadvantage while lacking plus speed at the NHL level.

    I think he can because of his drive, but the injuries as LT mentions have been an issue. He can’t succeed by trying to be physical, he has to be smarter and know how to avoid getting hurt outside of inevitable things that happen to all players.

    But it is a skill to stay healthy on the whole. Kailer leans in to stick check and he’ll get constant inadvertrent elbows to the head doing that allot.

  126. Wilde says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Mr Wilde,
    What do you think the Oilers should do with Persson?
    He seemed almost ready for NHL but also seemed like he could use some AHL time so I am glad to see him get it. He is getting ppg> bouch but I don’t know who is getting pp time.

    After the vacuum of eternal emptiness that has been the RD position with this organization for 6 years or so I am titillated at the possibility of all this potential AND depth In this position (Lars, Bear, Benn, Pers, Bouch, Berg), but not sure how it will or could play out to the teams best advantage. Your insights are appreciated. Thanks.

    It’s difficult for him to work on the things most important to his success in the NHL in the AHL because his other attributes allow him to overwhelm AHL players

    I’d have to drill down on his NHL time to figure out if he actually bleeds more than his replacements do but the previous point basically makes it so that there’s nothing to wait for

  127. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Just posted this on twitter:

    @Woodguy55

    This is the best “beat writer column” that I’ve read read about EDM and I’ve been reading them since 1980.

    Glad @mirtle is paying for him to travel with the team.

    Great stuff in here about Neal (“he’s real 5v5 !?!?), Benning and Benson.

    I’d post some quotes, but in this case I feel that it would be betraying The Athletic’s funding model.

    Jon is traveling with the team, and will on future road trips.

    What he gets in a couple days is better than what the usual suspects have written in a decade.

    Great stuff.

    I’m now hesitant to move Neal off of 97-44.

    Linky:
    https://theathletic.com/1511262/2020/01/05/oilers-notebook-james-neals-resurgence-matt-bennings-injury-and-the-tyler-benson-recall-temptation/?source=rss&redirected=1

  128. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: It perplexes me why the Oilers aren’t all over that. Maybe they are, but historically they graduate bland skaters.

    Correct training can improve that, unless there is a problem of some kind, and in that case….

    David Pelletier is EDM’s skating coach.

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management

    I hear he’s pretty good, especially in teaching edgwork. (yes, I know who he is, but ability doesn’t always mean ability to teach)

    Don’t judge a player by their straight away speed.

    Judge them by their ability to change direction at speed.

    That helps a player waaaay more than straight ahead speed.

    One thing Yamamoto said he worked on was his edge work in the corners so he could forecheck more.

  129. Wilde says:

    Scungilli Slushy: lacking plus speed at the NHL level.

    When did this start being said? I remember Glov talking about it like a year ago.

    Is Yamamoto’s processing time and quickness hiding people’s conception of his speed? As in, his dual decision-making and physical quickness putting him at pucks first gives the appearance that these weren’t ’50/50′ plays, when they were?

  130. Lowetide says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    LT, did you notice Mercer received his gold medal right after Lavoie and Rodrigue?
    Could it be a sign??

    I hope so. Having dipped my toes in the 2020 draft water, Mercer looks like a nice fit!

  131. Todd Macallan says:

    Lowetide: I hope so. Having dipped my toes in the 2020 draft water, Mercer looks like a nice fit!

    Good Bay Robert’s boy, been too long since the NL connection of Teddy.

  132. leadfarmer says:

    Rittich with his 3rd straight very bad start
    It’s amazing how many teams are being sunk by goalering

  133. Glovjuice says:

    Lowetide: I’ve never heard a note of Pussy Riot’s music, but based on name alone I’m prepared to call them the greatest rock and roll band in history. How the Stones didn’t name an album Pussy Riot is a question for the ages.

    Punk out of Russia. One of the members was born in Norilsk – an incredibly interesting industrial city above the arctic circle with a life expectancy 10 years below the Russian average due to pollution. An incredible anti Putin protest band (spent time in jail). And the girl from Norilsk is absolutely stunning.

  134. Lowetide says:

    Wilde: When did this start being said? I remember Glov talking about it like a year ago.

    Is Yamamoto’s processing time and quickness hiding people’s conception of his speed? As in, his dual decision-making and physical quickness putting him at pucks first gives the appearance that these weren’t ’50/50′ plays, when they were?

    It’s been around for some time. There’s a large group of people (here and elsewhere) who see Yamamoto’s foot speed as average or below. Damned if I know why. The scouting reports called him a plus skater and that’s what he is.

  135. London Jon says:

    Oh Wow. Just had a 5 minute chat with Wayne and Janet Gretzky while we were both waiting for a taxi in Toronto. I wasn’t going to interrupt them but thought, f*#k it, when will I ever have this chance again. My mom did the flowers for their wedding so i used that as a starter!!

    My wife got given three free nights at the Ritz-Carleton so we stopped there on the way home to London. The Islanders were staying there two nights ago and then we realised the Oilers were there today when Zach Kassian sat next to us for breakfast. My wife thinks he was checking her out (!) and then we had a little chat with him over his egg white omelette and giant bowl of fruit. Such a warm, friendly guy. Smiled the whole time!!

    Also sat in the Sauna with Chiasson and Larsson and waited for a coffee next to Archibald and, I think, Lagesson. Didn’t have the balls to strike up a conversation with any of them though but almost did in the Sauna!!

    Don’t tell my wife but this may have been the best day of my life!!!

    • flyfish1168 says:

      London Jon:
      Oh Wow. Just had a 5 minute chat with Wayne and Janet Gretzky while we were both waiting for a taxi in Toronto. I wasn’t going to interrupt them but thought, f*#k it, when will I ever have this chance again. My mom did the flowers for their wedding so i used that as a starter!!

      My wife got given three free nights at the Ritz-Carleton so we stopped there on the way home to London. The Islanders were staying there two nights ago and then we realised the Oilers were there today when Zach Kassian sat next to us for breakfast. My wife thinks he was checking her out (!) and then we had a little chat with him over his egg white omelette and giant bowl of fruit. Such a warm, friendly guy. Smiled the whole time!!

      Also sat in the Sauna with Chiasson and Larsson and waited for a coffee next to Archibald and, I think, Lagesson. Didn’t have the balls to strike up a conversation with any of them though but almost did in the Sauna!!

      Don’t tell my wife but this may have been the best day of my life!!!

      Awesome story. Great to hear

  136. Johnny skid says:

    leadfarmer:
    Rittich with his 3rd straight very bad start
    It’s amazing how many teams are being sunk by goalering

    hope he can keep that up for the whole season.

  137. Lowetide says:

    London Jon:
    Oh Wow. Just had a 5 minute chat with Wayne and Janet Gretzky while we were both waiting for a taxi in Toronto. I wasn’t going to interrupt them but thought, f*#k it, when will I ever have this chance again. My mom did the flowers for their wedding so i used that as a starter!!

    My wife got given three free nights at the Ritz-Carleton so we stopped there on the way home to London. The Islanders were staying there two nights ago and then we realised the Oilers were there today when Zach Kassian sat next to us for breakfast. My wife thinks he was checking her out (!) and then we had a little chat with him over his egg white omelette and giant bowl of fruit. Such a warm, friendly guy. Smiled the whole time!!

    Also sat in the Sauna with Chiasson and Larsson and waited for a coffee next to Archibald and, I think, Lagesson. Didn’t have the balls to strike up a conversation with any of them though but almost did in the Sauna!!

    Don’t tell my wife but this may have been the best day of my life!!!

    Haha. Awesome.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Because outside of elite talent 2 way play, puck protection and board play are what keep players in the league.

    If you aren’t a big time out scorer you have to play a full game to be a contributor on a contender. Yama has all that but has to show he can outplay his significant size disadvantage while lacking plus speed at the NHL level.

    I think he can because of his drive, but the injuries as LT mentions have been an issue. He can’t succeed by trying to be physical, he has to be smarter and know how to avoid getting hurt outside of inevitable things that happen to all players.

    But it is a skill to stay healthy on the whole. Kailer leans in to stick check and he’ll get constant inadvertrent elbows to the head doing that allot.

    Fair enough – good post and thank you.

    While I agree that Yama doesn’t have high end producing skills so will need to play a full game to be a contributor, however, I am of the opinion that he does indeed have a broader range of skills to be able to do just that.

    While Benson is “better on the boards”, I don’t agree that is the be all and end all. Kailer has other skills that, in my opinion, are just as material and beneficial – the ability to get in on defenders quickly and cause them to rush plays and make turnovers and the similar ability in the defensive zone to break up plays, for example. He can play on a skill line but can also play on a middle six energy or shut down line (in due time). He was also firmly PK1 in the AHL recently.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been singing Benson’s praises for a few years now, I’m just not sure I agree that Benson has a more “NHL game” – I think they both lack certain elements but both have skills that can thrive at the NHL level and, at this point, with his PK ability (at least at the AHL level), I think Yama may have the broader range.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: It’s been around for some time. There’s a large group of people (here and elsewhere) who see Yamamoto’s foot speed as average or below. Damned if I know why. The scouting reports called him a plus skater and that’s what he is.

    From my viewings, I would say his “speed” is average to good but he doesn’t have high end straight away speed – he doesn’t have “breakaway speed” and we’ve seen him caught on breaks at the AHL level.

    WIth that said, he is still a “good skater” as he as a quickness and good lateral movement. Maybe its a visual trick but he does seem to “get in on players/pucks” very quickly – at both the NHL and AHL level.

  140. JimmyV1965 says:

    Sometimes I think we overrate speed. Of course it’s important, but it’s one of many skills that determine what a player will be. I’ve always felt Lucia’s poor skating has been overstated. The biggest flaw in his game is his stick. The puck is an absolute grenade on his stick and he loses board battles all the time because it’s easy to strip him of the puck.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Minny with an OT PP – come on.

  142. Bag of Pucks says:

    gogliano: At the same time users like myself have mostly stopped posting because of the HH trolling & its elicited responses.I.e., the chilling of non-HH posts is a secondary effect not captured by the data.

    Empathy is hard, but the thing you have to consider with HH is he cheers for a truly pathetic hockey franchise. 50 years in and all you have to show for it are the couple times you nearly tore your own city down to the pilings.

    From afar you’ve watched Gretzky set every record in the book, the emergence of a dynasty with multiple Hall of Famers, Edmonton builds an amazing new arena district and the Oil win the lottery to get a generational player-again! Meanwhile the Chinese are buying your city out from under you and the rain keeps pouring down.

    Trolling is essentially an overcompensation technique for self loathing, and the self loathing is 100% understandable in this case. The Canucks are the Pete Best of the NHL. Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda.

    Add to this they once had the ugliest uni’s in the league by a country mile and I’m amazed HH can get out of bed in the morning.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    Terrible 4 on 3 OT PP by Minny – stationary and taking open shots with no screen.

    I refuse to watch these two teams in a shootout.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    London Jon:
    Oh Wow. Just had a 5 minute chat with Wayne and Janet Gretzky while we were both waiting for a taxi in Toronto. I wasn’t going to interrupt them but thought, f*#k it, when will I ever have this chance again. My mom did the flowers for their wedding so i used that as a starter!!

    My wife got given three free nights at the Ritz-Carleton so we stopped there on the way home to London. The Islanders were staying there two nights ago and then we realised the Oilers were there today when Zach Kassian sat next to us for breakfast. My wife thinks he was checking her out (!) and then we had a little chat with him over his egg white omelette and giant bowl of fruit. Such a warm, friendly guy. Smiled the whole time!!

    Also sat in the Sauna with Chiasson and Larsson and waited for a coffee next to Archibald and, I think, Lagesson. Didn’t have the balls to strike up a conversation with any of them though but almost did in the Sauna!!

    Don’t tell my wife but this may have been the best day of my life!!!

    Wow – what a great sounding day – happy for you!

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    Worst possible outcome in that game. Flames do that terrible comeback thing they do to tie it up – 3 point game with the flames winning in a SO.

    Blah.

    Of course, they continue to fall farther back in the regulation win category – I hope the get effed by the tiebreak

  146. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wow – what a great sounding day – happy for you!

    More importantly what did you say to Wayne? Were you checking out Janet, come on!!

    • London Jon says:

      Ha! They both looked great. Wayne looks about 50 and they were both friendly and chatty.

      My wife is still going on about Kassian checking her out at breakfast!!

  147. flyfish1168 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: More importantly what did you say to Wayne? Were you checking out Janet, come on!!

    Should be asking about Paulina Gretzky

  148. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Worst possible outcome in that game.Flames do that terrible comeback thing they do to tie it up – 3 point game with the flames winning in a SO.

    Blah.

    Of course, they continue to fall farther back in the regulation win category – I hope the get effed by the tiebreak

    ref misses a very obvious call. dube running Stalock

  149. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks: Empathy is hard, but the thing you have to consider with HH is he cheers for a truly pathetic hockey franchise. 50 years in and all you have to show for it are the couple times you nearly tore your own city down to the pilings.

    From afar you’ve watched Gretzky set every record in the book, the emergence of a dynasty with multiple Hall of Famers, Edmonton builds an amazing new arena district and the Oil win the lottery to get a generational player-again! Meanwhile the Chinese are buying your city out from under you and the rain keeps pouring down.

    Trolling is essentially an overcompensation technique for self loathing, and the self loathing is 100% understandable in this case. The Canucks are the Pete Best of the NHL. Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda.

    Add to this they once had the ugliest uni’s in the league by a country mile and I’m amazed HH can get out of bed in the morning.

    If it was one team, the abusive behavior would be easier for me to put up with. But it’s anything everything all the time.

  150. Bag of Pucks says:

    Scungilli Slushy: If it was one team, the abusive behavior would be easier for me to put up with. But it’s anything everything all the time.

    I feel your pain and know exactly how you feel.

    Better days ahead. It’s a new decade!

  151. London Jon says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wow – what a great sounding day – happy for you!

    Thanks OP! It really was!

    I was buzzing after the chat to Zach and seeing Adam Larsson in the sauna and then Wayne comes and stands right next to us. After my ‘I’m a big fan and my mom did the flowers for your wedding opener’ Janet did most of the talking. We asked them where they were going for dinner (they didn’t know!) and they asked us where we were flying and we chatted a bit about London.

    A guy near us said Pauline was there as well but I didn’t see her. I was just fixated on the Great One

  152. Harpers Hair says:

    Bag of Pucks: Empathy is hard, but the thing you have to consider with HH is he cheers for a truly pathetic hockey franchise. 50 years in and all you have to show for it are the couple times you nearly tore your own city down to the pilings.

    From afar you’ve watched Gretzky set every record in the book, the emergence of a dynasty with multiple Hall of Famers, Edmonton builds an amazing new arena district and the Oil win the lottery to get a generational player-again! Meanwhile the Chinese are buying your city out from under you and the rain keeps pouring down.

    Trolling is essentially an overcompensation technique for self loathing, and the self loathing is 100% understandable in this case. The Canucks are the Pete Best of the NHL. Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda.

    Add to this they once had the ugliest uni’s in the league by a country mile and I’m amazed HH can get out of bed in the morning.

    Since you brought it up….

    I don’t live in Vancouver and never have it’s not MY city. And I’m not a Canucks fan.

    I grew up in Edmonton and lived there for 45 years.

    I didn’t watch Gretzky from afar…I was an Oiler season ticket holder from the WHA days and, as the Executive Producer of News and Sports at a TV station, I interacted with “The Boys on the Bus” both professionally and personally many, many times.

    Not only did I see Gretzky set ALL his records but the night he broke Gordie Howe’s record…Howe was sitting right behind me at the Coliseum and I had a chance to wish him the best.

    I paid my first visit to the new arena last month and found it to be far from amazing.

    The Chinese (your comment is racist) are not buying my city although many ethnic groups have found Vancouver Island to be welcoming.

    Yes, it does rain here in the winter but it is not a frigid, empty wasteland for six months of the year and the climate in the summer is Mediterranean with endless days of sunshine, sparkling ocean waters and snow capped mountains.

    And finally, my daffodils are already 4 inches high in anticipation for their blooming in February.

    How is your garden growing?

  153. jp says:

    Todd Macallan: Good Bay Robert’s boy, been too long since the NL connection of Teddy.

    And too damn bad it took Holland and the Red Wings to unlock Danny Cleary’s potential. Would have been nice if he’d been a long term contributor to the Oilers.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Fair enough – good post and thank you.

    While I agree that Yama doesn’t have high end producing skills so will need to play a full game to be a contributor, however, I am of the opinion that he does indeed have a broader range of skills to be able to do just that.

    While Benson is “better on the boards”, I don’t agree that is the be all and end all.Kailer has other skills that, in my opinion, are just as material and beneficial – the ability to get in on defenders quickly and cause them to rush plays and make turnovers and the similar ability in the defensive zone to break up plays, for example. He can play on a skill line but can also play on a middle six energy or shut down line (in due time). He was also firmly PK1 in the AHL recently.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been singing Benson’s praises for a few years now, I’m just not sure I agree that Benson has a more “NHL game” – I think they both lack certain elements but both have skills that can thrive at the NHL level and, at this point, with his PK ability (at least at the AHL level), I think Yama may have the broader range.

    That is great news. I like them both as players, I like smart skilled tenacious players. I hope they both have a big impact for the team.

  155. Gerta Rauss says:

    LT- changes to the comment section of the site today..?

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks: I feel your pain and know exactly how you feel.

    Better days ahead. It’s a new decade!

    For sure. Not a problem it’s a hockey blog. But that personality type bores and tires me quickly. My one up bin fills very quickly.

  157. Gerta Rauss says:

    Lowetide,

    10-4

    I think Danny had this enabled the first few days you launched on WordPress

    *edit-if you click on the word reply (this is the new item enabled) the comments should appear in the new format you want

    if you click on the word (reply) in brackets, it appears to be business as usual

    • Lowetide says:

      Yes

      • Gerta Rauss says:

        cheers

        • Gerta Rauss says:

          an added feature to this is if you are NOT logged in, the option underneath the comment you are reading should now say “login to reply”

          *sidenote- this should provide a little relief to anyone that still experiences the caching problem we had a while back ie:when launching the page for the first time the homepage displayed was the previous days page. Now you can login underneath ANY comment, you no longer have to scroll to the bottom of the thread

          *sidenote2- I haven’t experienced this caching problem for months, the site has worked seamlessly in this regard for several months now. I’m running Win10 with Chrome on a Surface Pro3

  158. Lowetide says:

    Gerta Rauss,

    I’m not willing to ban anyone, but am willing to use the items available to help the experience of dropping by. So, I’ve activated the ‘thread’ option and replies will now occur with the comment.

    • Nit64 says:

      If replies were hidden behind a button that you have to click on to see them, Nirvana!

    • Bag of Pucks says:

      Neat feature. If people want to digress or disappear down the rabbit hole of a side topic like music, scotch, troll debates, etc., you essentially have this sub thread without derailing the main hockey talk. Seems pretty civilized!

  159. geowal says:

    OriginalPouzar: Glad your travels home were safe!

    Thanks OP! It was a great journey and experience.

  160. London Jon says:

    There were a lot of signature hunters out front so guessing it wasn’t hard to find out what hotel the oilers were staying at.

    And then nothing to stop anyone sitting at the bar or in the lobby and seeing the players come and go. I’ll remember that for future trips!

  161. Genjutsu says:

    Richard Roma: If you consider HH to be a troll, that’s fair I guess.

    However, you’ve written a litany of posts advising us not to reply to him, yet you yourself keep doing it.

    No one replies to HH more than you and OP.

    More of a gaslight Messiah to me but every one sees things there own way I suppose.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Gerta Rauss,

    I’m not willing to ban anyone, but am willing to use the items available to help the experience of dropping by. So, I’ve activated the ‘thread’ option and replies will now occur with the comment.

    When using the thread option (so replies occur right below) would this mean that, if someone wasn’t constantly going back to check if anyone had responded in a certain thread, they’d potentially miss posts?

    • Lowetide says:

      Yes. And if a poster were engaging another poster on a subject he or she knew had limited appeal with most visitors, it would be a sacrifice I would hope you consider making.

      • Gerta Rauss says:

        You can tell if there are new comments up the thread by comparing the last comment at the bottom of the thread to the top comment in the “recent comments” box at the top of this page(on the right)

        If the posters name(s) are different you can click on the comment in the “recent comments” box and you’ll jump directly to the new posts

  163. Bag of Pucks says:

    Harpers Hair,

    1) It’s been well documented that offshore investment, predominantly from China, fueled the price escalation in the real estate market in the lower mainland. So, unless it’s now racist to describe people from China as Chinese, you can kindly retract.

    2) Clearly there is no excuse for your trollish behaviour then.

    • Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

      He has quite a pathetic and distorted view of the world if he perceives that as racist, but I guess it’s hardly a surprise these days. Such accusations are thrown around all too frequently. I guess we ought to expect that from such a person, though.

  164. drglen says:

    Just read the lead blog. So how do we keep this Leon? I’ll take the elbow to the head penalties if that’s what it takes to get him going.

    Not a big fan of the ‘thread’ option , just an opinion, .. I prefer the stream of rapid fire comments as they come, much more fun.

    payback time for the leafs.

  165. OilClog says:

    Vancouver Island is amazing, the rain is incredible easy to deal with having drains and all. Green grass 12 months a year inside and out, beautiful looking people corsi is off the charts.

    Don’t bring this beautiful place into hockey argument, the island houses a fairly even fanbase for all Canadian teams.

    Harper is just a bitter ex that can’t stop Facebook stalking his beautiful Oilers, he boasts his flavor of the week beauty for their singular talent in order to get his ex lovers attention. It’s a nice little love story, he’ll make it back to the friend zone someday.

    • Lowetide says:

      We lived at Sidney for a summer, my Grandpa rented this gigantic house and my family stayed in it. I would walk down to the ocean everyday with my Mom. I was maybe three. I remember it though. It was beautiful.

    • VanIsleOil says:

      This…moved here 25 years ago from Edmonton…truly is god’s country…..trolls aside.

  166. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Broberg was pretty unimpressive through the elimination games and looked shaky in the bronze medal game. Not an inspiring performance but being forced onto your offside in a defensive role can make mountains out of molehills so we’ll see.

    • OriginalPouzar says:

      If one was expecting offensive production from Philip then, yes, I would say not inspiring, however, given he is an 18 year old, the youngest d-man on arguably the deepest defensive group in the tournament, then expecting offence was likely unreasonable, in my opinion.

      Solid minutes and PK1 time while playing his offside as a youngster – I’ll take it.

      I assume he’ll be focal point of the defense next season.

  167. JimmyV1965 says:

    Lowetide:
    Gerta Rauss,

    I’m not willing to ban anyone, but am willing to use the items available to help the experience of dropping by. So, I’ve activated the ‘thread’ option and replies will now occur with the comment.

    It’s your right to organize the comments any way you wish LT, but I don’t think you should change it just because some people are annoyed. If someone doesn’t like a particular poster, don’t read their comments. Not sure why people want to aggravate themselves.

    • Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

      I don’t think it’s that they’re “aggravating themselves” reading comments they don’t want to read, it’s that these comments (and commenters) are dominating the threads.

      On the final page of yesterday’s post, there were 75 posts when I did a count and 20 belonged to HH responding to others, 14 were OP updating about the AHL (all fine and dandy), 13 were OP responding to HH or Reja iirc, 4 belonged to Wilde detailing Condors stuff and the most of the rest were two or three individuals responding to HH.

      If I’m told to just avoid those comments associated with HH, I’m being told to avoid almost all of an entire page. If that happens often enough (as I’d argue it’s closing in on), my enjoyment of the site and some of the value it brings as a forum for hockey discussion is degraded.

      Further, responses and interesting conversations get lost in the shuffle and perhaps even die out as a result. I’d say it’s absolutely reasonable for posters to raise their concerns if their enjoyment of the threads is being impacted by the commenting behaviours of a few.\

      There’s a reason I haven’t said anything about it, though; I agree with you in principle. I don’t like levying my own displeasure into the change of something others may be enjoying.

  168. Wilde says:

    Lol gonna quadruple check this but last year’s Benson-Marody-Currie line CF-to-GF is absolutely absurd:

    339CF-243CA
    58.25 CF%

    18GF-4GA
    81.82 GF%

    Woodcroft’s put that line back together lately, and that’s synchronised with upticks in Benson and Marody’s games (Currie’s a professional) but there’s no way it’s anything like this.

  169. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    London Jon,

    Wow! That is awesome (I am not sure exactly where in your thread I am commenting).

    Our last night in London tonight; we were at Flat Iron Steak with a “long-lost acquaintance” 2 nights ago) the food was meh. Not our choice, but I try not to eat steak outside of Alberta if possible, but had amazing steaks (Brazilian, highly recommended) in Dallas and San Fran.

    Best food I’ve had was in Edinburgh, haggis is actually delicious, FWIW.

    Worst fish and chips, London (last night at pub here in Westminster) smelled and tasted like ammonia (closest comparable, I guess). Had fish and chips in Paris and it was surprisingly amazing.

    Still looking for something delicious in London, I am open to anything for tonight’s supper…

  170. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    For those planning a London trip in the future, what an amazing vibrant city, and we have barely scratched the surface. Leicester Square is really cool.

    We went on a Windsor Castle-Stonehenge-Bath tour last night. Close to 12 hr trip, don’t recommend it. Depending on your interests, I would recommend setting aside 5-6 hrs for just Windsor castle, we didn’t have 2 hrs there and only got half-way thru when I realized I had 15 minutes to get back to the bus….

  171. Pescador says:

    Lowetide:
    Gerta Rauss,

    I’m not willing to ban anyone, but am willing to use the items available to help the experience of dropping by. So, I’ve activated the ‘thread’ option and replies will now occur with the comment.

    Except for me?

  172. London Jon says:

    Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes,

    Sorry, I only just saw this as we were flying back to London.

    Would have loved to give some restaurant tips – the restaurant scene is amazing here these days.

    Am I too late?

  173. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    London Jon,

    Hi London Jon,

    No, we are currently wandering around the Natural History Museum. Would love your suggestions, non-spicy

  174. frenchfrog says:

    Smart Lowetide. Way to let that 70 year old troll retard back. How daft do you have to be to let this simpleton back onto the boards under some laughable concept that a few people wanted him back?

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