Hurry Sundown

In the winter of 1971, Boston Bruins coach Tom Johnson had a problem. His monster offensive machine from the previous season wasn’t performing at the same level. The Wayne Cashman-Phil Esposito-Ken Hodge line, who had scored 140 goals in 1970-71 (1.79 goals per game), managed only 33 goals through the first 24 games of the season (1.38 goals per game).

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide:  Oilers prospect pipeline could deliver below-average group in 2020-21
  • New Jonathan Willis: Several factors led to Oilers’ Zack Kassian’s inevitable hearing with NHL Player Safety
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian calls Matthew Tkachuk a ‘p****,’ says he’d go after him again despite Oilers’ loss
  • Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Mike Smith stars in Oilers victory, but others’ struggles could prompt changes
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Minnia Feng: Zamboni Ursula: What if Oilers fans could change something in the team’s past?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: ‘That’s the nicest goal I’ve ever seen’: Connor McDavid’s teammates amazed by his latest effort
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers notebook: James Neal’s resurgence, Matt Benning’s injury and the Tyler Benson recall temptation
  • Lowetide: Oilers farmhands are pushing hard for NHL jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland, the Oilers amateur procurement department and the 2020 draft
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

THOSE BRUINS

The second line (Johnny Bucyk, Fred Stanfield, John McKenzie) were also off the pace. In ’70-71, the trio totaled 106 goals (1.36), and by December 1971 had 23 goals (0.959) between them.

In 1971, a team dressed 11 forwards, three full lines and then (usually) an extra center and a swingman. The swingman might be a rookie, a forward who could play defense, or a veteran who could penalty kill or fill in on a line when the team had a lead late. Montreal’s Jimmy Roberts was such a player, rambunctious rookie Bob Neely started in that spot for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and Gerry Odrowski was a defenseman who could effectively PK as a forward for the Oakland Seals. Think “catcher who can play second base and center field. Weird. But true.

Johnson’s solution to the goal-scoring problem was to run five different men on the third line. In 1970-71, the third line (Wayne Carleton-Derek Sanderson-Eddie Westfall) scored 76 goals (0.97 goals per game).

By December ’71, Johnson decided he would run Sanderson at center and then mix and match depending on the opponent. Mike Walton and Ace Bailey were the left wingers, Walton the more talented scorer. Westfall was the checking right winger, with young Reggie Leach the offensive option. After 24 games of the 1971-72 season, Sanderson (3 goals), Walton (9), Westfall (5), Bailey (4) and Leach (4) seemed to benefit from the experience. By the spring Leach was playing for the Golden Seals and by summer the Bruins won the Stanley, but in those days of offensive uncertainty, it was good to have brilliant options at the ready. There’s a lesson there.

OILERS RECALL YAMAMOTO

The recall of Kailer Yamamoto ignited the Oilers No. 2 line offensively at five on five. Here is Nuge with his most common lines so far this season. Notice the goals and expected goals.

Yamamoto’s presence on the line is new (just over an hour) but the skill that has been added is obvious. Now, you want to possession number to follow along and we’ll see, but that’s a nice start. I do wonder if KY eventually gets a chance to run with McDavid. If they switch out again, Neal-Chiasson did good work.

MCDAVID’S LINES 2019-20

McDavid and Yamamoto would seem to be a fit of considerable promise, I’m also fascinated by the 35 minutes Nygard joined the band. Interesting. Have we discussed the idea of acquiring Tyler Ennis?

THE BRUINS CONNECTION

Back to my Bruins story. Tom Johnson had a team of scorers who were struggling, and some of them (hello, Ken Hodge) wouldn’t recover all season. So he gathered up all of the possibles (Walton, Bailey, Westfall and Leach), including a couple who spent time in the minors (Bailey and Leach) in 1970-71, and auditioned them in real time, with regular shifts.

Dave Tippett has been doing that all season, except the quality of the talent is far poorer. There is no Bucyk, there is no McKenzie, Hodge or even Cashman (who was kind of like Ryan Smyth). McDavid is unique in this conversation and Draisaitl is similar in ways to Phil Esposito but it’s not an easy connection.

Kailer Yamamoto represents the ‘Reggie Leach’ in my story, and Tyler Benson is the Garnet Bailey. I think the time has come to add another element. Yamamoto is now six games in, with 2-3-5 boxcars and some success in each game. Time to recall Tyler Benson.

A MODERN JASON CHIMERA

Fans of a certain age may remember the days around the turn of the century, when it seemed Jason Chimera would break camp with the big club each fall. He finally did make the club, after playing almost the entirety of his entry deal in the AHL. Fans were mad when Chimera was sent out each fall by Craig MacTavish, but math told us it was the right thing to do.

Chimera’s teams averaged 2.81, 2.84 and 3.09 goals per game. For his AHL career, his Hamilton Bulldogs would average 2.91 goals per game. Now, it’s easy to see why Chimera was left behind at 20, and he was still a little shy the following year. By the final year of his entry deal, he was ready. Now, let’s see about Benson.

Benson’s Bakersfield Condors averaged 3.56 goals per game in 2018-19, 3.09 goals per game this year and 3.40 overall. Comparing the two men (Chimera and Benson) is impossible, the two eras are almost 20 years apart. That said, at age 21 Chimera delivered .692 points-per-game for a team that scored 2.84 goals per game. Benson, age 21, is posting .914 points-per-game for a team that is scoring 3.09 goals per game. Even considering the team scoring gap, Benson should be considered a superior offensive player, age 21.

Chimera was bullet fast, Benson is rapier smart. Chimera played 1,107 NHL games, Benson hasn’t play one. I expect that to change and right soon.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

After an enjoyable week away, we’re back this morning for the Lowdown at 10, TSN1260. The show is still percolating, but Jason Gregor will be around at 11 to talk Oilers and NFL weekend, and we’ll probably have an NFL guest at 10:20. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Join me won’t you?

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  1. stephen sheps says:

    I’m happy JJ will be back in the lineup, particularly for his PK ability but the goal against on the PK wasn’t on the forwards. Said it the other night and I’ll say it again – #4 was the goat on that particular sequence, choosing to snow angel rather than take out the net front screen was a very curious (by which I mean) poor call. It’s also classic Russell “defending”.

  2. Nix says:

    Ghost pepper hot take, my guy.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    Both players will be on a very short leash.

    Don’t expect any fireworks.

    The league will undoubtably issue direct warnings – they play just a few games later though which will likely have less build-up and focus on it….

  4. John Chambers says:

    Way to go Habs!

    Calgary Sucks!

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Decidedly Skeptical Fan,

    For sure.

    The best response would be to butter MT up in pressers, and then ignore him all game.

    And win.

    But that is on the coaches. It works.

    I think Tipp is that kind of coach. Kass will find his moment, if he wants it, but I doubt he does want it beyond the next few games. He’ll want to run MT in the next 2 but I don’t think he’ll carry an agenda after.

    Of course over whatever time in the league Kassian has left if he has a chance for a big hit on MT he’s going to take it.

    The best response is to go out and win the game – of course, play a physical game, finish all checks, etc. but win the game.

    Of course, that would have been the best response this past Saturday as well.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    That is exactly what you do and the upcoming all-star game is the perfect venue. Pubic shaming, no handshakes, refuse to play on his line. Socio-paths do not respond to hand-slaps or appeals to morality. They have none and T-Chucks teammates are pretty embarrassed by his act. I suspect we will see one very meek Flames team in EDM for the rematch as nobody is standing up for Keith’s little socio-path.

    I’m thinking his teammates are quite happy that, for a second time, he was able to elicit a response from Kassian that directly helped his team win a game in a material way.

  7. Harpers Hair says:

    An incredibly weak arugement.

  8. Nix says:

    My kingdom for a Kapanen. Jones and a pick.

  9. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I noticed his teammates not jumping in real hard to break it up. If it had been Giordano getting rag dolled I’m sure there would have been a bigger scrum.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    norm_klassen:
    Maybe With kass suspended we see this
    Drai – McDavid- yam
    Neal-nuge-chiason

    Potentially but, given how many times I’ve heard Tippett say that Drai likes playing with Kailer, and the two 5 on 5 goals last game where Kailer had the primary assist, I don’t see it then changing that 2nd line. I think coach is a fan of the more balanced attack right now and the lineup above, well, that 2nd line isn’t set up to succeed at evens given how the season has gone.

    I think we’ll see Archie up there to start the game – the load on McDavid’s back gets heavier.

  11. geowal says:

    Well written and reasoned. Thanks Stephen.

  12. Harpers Hair says:

    Unfortunately, the Oilers suck more.

    The Canadiens just did VCR a huge favour.

    They now have two chances to take over first place in the Pacific.

  13. stephen sheps says:

    how do you figure it’s a weak argument? I’m not entirely on board with his first point, (ethics are always a grey area after all…) but I think the misapplication of the aggressor rule argument is rather strong and convincing. He looks at the evidence, at past precedents w.r.t to the aggressor rule, the rationale for its creation and interprets the results based on his knowledge of the rule and experience as a referee. Doesn’t sound like a weak argument to me.

    Perhaps it’s an argument you don’t agree with, which I get, but that doesn’t make it an inherently weak one. Show your work, old friend. I know you’re better than that.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I noticedhis teammates not jumping in real hard to break it up. If it had been Giordano getting rag dolledI’m sure there would have been a bigger scrum.

    That woudl be “3rd man in”, a penalty and a game misconduct.

    Lindholm was there and tried a bit but there is only so much that can be done – it was the lineseman’s job.

  15. who says:

    Harpers Hair:
    An incredibly weak arugement.

    Actually, Stewart pretty much hits the nail on the head here. And every ex NHL player we’ve heard from agrees with him.
    But let’s hear your side of the argument. I’m really curious to hear you defend Tkachuk on this one.

  16. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: The best response is to go out and win the game – of course, play a physical game, finish all checks, etc. but win the game.

    Of course, that would have been the best response this past Saturday as well.

    Every time you post on this issue it makes you look more like a lawyer and less like someone who’s ever been in that situation in a competitive hockey game.

  17. norm_klassen says:

    I guess we will find out tommorow but I think McDavid deserves a upgrade in wingers as he seems to be doing all the scoring on his own. Neal cant seem to keep up

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    who: Actually,Stewart pretty much hits the nail on the head here. And every ex NHL player we’ve heard from agrees with him.
    But let’s hear your side of the argument. I’m really curious to hear you defend Tkachuk on this one.

    The first incident was a charging penalty and should have been a two minute minor.

    The second incident was a clean hit.

    Kassians reaction was way over the top and his suspension is well deserved.

  19. Bank Shot says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Fuck you are boring.
    Try not begging to be the center of attention for once.

  20. who says:

    Harpers Hair: The first incident was a charging penalty and should have been a two minute minor.

    The second incident was a clean hit.

    Kassians reaction was way over the top and his suspension is well deserved.

    First incident was charging, with a hit to the head.
    Second incident was also charging. He actually came from further away, and took more strides, on the second hit.
    Go back and watch the video.
    Both times he took a run at a defenseless player who was physically engaged with another Flame. That is the definition of a cheap shot.
    I can live with all this. But to pat yourself on the back for turtling after doing this, it just shows a complete lack of respect.
    I’d be embarrassed to show my face around another NHL player if I was him.

  21. Bank Shot says:

    Great to see Calgary shutout.

    The fact that the league only suspended Kassian for 2 games is a tacit admission that they were okay with Tkachuk eating some punches to the face.

    Kassian is back for the next game against the Flames. Hopefully this galvanizes the squad to bring a huge effort and they wipe the Flames out in both of their next contests.

    Oilers need to win these division matches if they are to grab a playoff spot.

  22. meanashell11 says:

    Harpers Hair,

    First off Tchuck and Kass are about the same size. Second, those old Oilers would answer the bell if challenged to a fight. So no, not the same thing at all.

  23. Harpers Hair says:

    who: First incident was charging, with a hit to the head.
    Second incident was also charging. He actually came from further away, and took more strides, on the second hit.
    Go back and watch the video.
    Both times he took a run at a defenseless player who was physically engaged with another Flame. That is the definition of a cheap shot.
    I can live with all this. But to pat yourself on the back for turtling after doing this, it just shows a complete lack of respect.
    I’d be embarrassed to show my face around another NHL player if I was him.

    Ive watched the videos repeatedly.

    Yes, both were “cheap shots”.

    Unfortunately “cheap shots, are not a penalty.

    In fact, Kassian has been issuing “cheap shots” for years.

    See Sam Gagner for reference.

    Your defence of a repeat offender is odious.

  24. Harpers Hair says:

    meanashell11:
    Harpers Hair,

    First off Tchuck and Kass are about the same size. Second, those old Oilers would answer the bell if challenged to a fight.So no, not the same thing at all.

    Nonsense.

    Linesman, Tikkanen and Marchment never answered the bell.

    Linesman was called the Rat for a reason.

  25. northerndancer says:

    Tippet stated twice – after the game and today – that things would have been ok if they had killed the penalties to Kassian. That is how to build a team. He not only doesn’t throw Kassian under the bus he twice implies that Kassian’s actions were OK.

    I suspect that one thing that would bother current and former players, on any team, is MK insinuating that it was beneath him to fight with or defend himself from someone he considers a lesser player, a “fourth liner” In a team sport that sort of arrogance and entitlement will not go unnoticed by the brotherhood and sisterhood. On any team.

  26. who says:

    Harpers Hair: Ive watched the videos repeatedly.

    Yes, both were “cheap shots”.

    Unfortunately “cheap shots, are not a penalty.

    In fact, Kassian has been issuing “cheap shots” for years.

    See Sam Gagner for reference.

    Your defence of a repeat offender is odious.

    So we agree they were both cheap shots.
    And I will agree that Kassian has thrown his share of cheap shots over the years.
    I will say that he has turned himself into a hockey player in the last couple of years, so good on him. I was pretty critical of him his first few years with the Oilers. I didn’t like all the stupid penalties and attempts to agitate. Most of that is out of his game now.
    The difference in the 2 players is that Kassian will stand up for himself. Tkachuk will turtle.
    The big picture issue here is this:
    By penalizing and suspending Kassian, and letting Tkachuk walk, the NHL has just encouraged Tkachuk like behavior.
    So let’s encourage guys to take runs at other players, that you have conceded were cheap shots, then let’s encourage them to turtle to draw the penalty. I can’t believe how many non hockey players were applauding Tkacuk for suckering in Kassian.
    Is this the kind of NHL you want to watch?

  27. Alex T says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    You’re welcome. It was me trying to get MT out of my head. It was hard to keep name calling and cheap shots out of the piece. But I put my (imaginary) Lowetide bobble head doll by my keyboard and every time I started to type in a cheap shot, I pictured LT saying “keep it classy”.

    I gotta admit I was pretty happy to hear Leon voice similar sentiments today about not wanting to play with Monsieur Turtle. Oops. I think I just lowered myself to name calling.

  28. Harpers Hair says:

    Of course, none of this matters.

    If want a Snowflake League neither Kassian of Tkachuk will be in it.

  29. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Nonsense.

    Linesman, Tikkanen and Marchment never answered the bell.

    Linesman was called the Rat for a reason.

    What happened you guaranteed the Simpletons wouldn’t beat your new favourite team.

  30. who says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Of course, none of this matters.

    Well that’s quite a response. Lol.
    Very convincing arguement.

  31. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Of course, none of this matters.

    What happened you guaranteed the Simpletons would lose to your new favourite team whose leader pissed on the hockey gods porch. Karma’s a bitch for theTkachuk posse.

  32. who says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Of course, none of this matters.

    If want a Snowflake League neither Kassian of Tkachuk will be in it.

    Did I say I wanted a snowflake league?

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Every time you post on this issue it makes you look more like a lawyer and less like someone who’s ever been in that situation in a competitive hockey game.

    Or a fan of a team that wants them to win huge implication hockey games.

    I think his teammates would have been happy if he would have kept it under control and found a way to get bangs in on Tkachuk or Lindholm or Gaudrea or waited until a better time.

    We know his coach would have and I’m certain he knows about playing in a competitive hockey game.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    norm_klassen:
    I guess we will find out tommorow but I think McDavid deserves a upgrade in wingers as he seems to be doing all the scoring on his own. Neal cant seem to keep up

    Judging by practice today, his updrage in winger will be Josh Archibald.

    Do you suggest breaking up the current 2nd line?

  35. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Nonsense.

    Linesman, Tikkanen and Marchment never answered the bell.

    Linesman was called the Rat for a reason.

    None of these players were head hunters. Tkachuk was trying to take out Kassian I still can’t believe he was able to clock Kassian three times.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bank Shot:
    Harpers Hair,

    Fuck you are boring.
    Try not begging to be the center of attention for once.

    Having a contrary opinion is boring?

    He’s not wrong and his position is entirely defendable.

    I agree with everything he said except I think the first hit was more than just a charge given where contact was made (and targeted), the neck.

  37. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: Or a fan of a team that wants them to win huge implication hockey games.

    I think his teammates would have been happy if he would have kept it under control and found a way to get bangs in on Tkachuk or Lindholm or Gaudrea or waited until a better time.

    We know his coach would have and I’m certain he knows about playing in a competitive hockey game.

    You have no idea what his teammates wanted because you’ve never been in that situation.
    And his coach really wanted his team to kill the penalty. He made a point of stressing that today.

  38. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: None of these players were head hunters. Tkachuk was trying to take out Kassian I still can’t believe he was able to clock Kassian three times.

    That’s an absolute load of shit.

    ‘They were all headhunters.

  39. tapper says:

    Any chance we get an member ignore feature on here?

    There’s a Fox News approach to and level of bad faith argumentation on here lately, makes for a lot of noise.

    As the kids say now, “It ruins the vibe.” (Aside: any concern that ruining the community is the end goal?)

  40. Boiled-in-Oil says:

    Reja,

    Interesting thing is Bryan Marchment had 85 fights in his career.

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    tapper:
    Any chance we get an member ignore feature on here?

    There’s a Fox News approach to and level of bad faith argumentation on here lately, makes for a lot of noise.

    As the kids say now, “It ruins the vibe.” (Aside: any concern that ruining the community is the end goal?)

    Do you need a safe space?

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Nonsense.

    Linesman, Tikkanen and Marchment never answered the bell.

    Linesman was called the Rat for a reason.

    Marchment did have almost 100 NHL fights, 15 as an Oiler.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    northerndancer:
    Tippet stated twice – after the game and today – that things would have been ok if they had killed the penalties to Kassian.That is how to build a team.He not only doesn’t throw Kassian under the bus he twice implies that Kassian’s actions were OK.

    I suspect that one thing that would bother current and former players, on any team, is MK insinuating that it was beneath him to fight with or defend himself from someone he considers a lesser player, a “fourth liner”In a team sport that sort of arrogance and entitlement will not go unnoticed by the brotherhood and sisterhood.On any team.

    Tip said directly and expressly that he wish he would have “taken a number”.

    On the second point – there is TONS of trash talk out there about players being 4th liners and in the minors recently, etc. Its VERY common.

  44. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: That’s an absolute load of shit.

    ‘They were all headhunters.

    Linesman was more a hook to the nuts hence the rat. Marchment was a knee lover. Tikk was kinda like Linseman but in a gibberish language no one understood but they weren’t headhunters Tkachuk fuked up with his after game response somebody’s going to square him up good.

  45. Bank Shot says:

    OriginalPouzar: Having a contrary opinion is boring?

    He’s not wrong and his position is entirely defendable.

    I agree with everything he said except I think the first hit was more than just a charge given where contact was made (and targeted), the neck.

    Yeah its boring.

    You can count on old HH taking the anti-Oiler opinion every time.

    All his opinions are moderately defendable, but you always know he will take the side against the Oilers. What’s the point in even responding to someone like that?

    It’s debating a caricature. Why give a clown the attention he seeks?

  46. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: His dad trashed a 5-star hotel room at the Nagano Olympics, allegedly.

    Sociopaths are often intelligent and of course extremely manipulative.

    They prey on the weak-minded.

    Let me get this straight. Kassian is a loser and Tkachuk is a sociopath. Good to know. I guess this is why they tell players to stay away from social media. How can someone who makes so many good comments also be an ass hat? It’s mystifying really.

  47. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    tapper:
    Harpers Hair,

    QED

    So that’s a “yes” ?

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: You have no idea what his teammates wanted because you’ve never been in that situation.
    And his coach really wanted his team to kill the penalty. He made a point of stressing that today.

    It seems there are many speculating on what his teammates think based off of not being in that situation.

    I know the coach wasn’t fine with it because he said so right after the game.

  49. Bank Shot says:

    The key to the Oilers season now will be finding another player to click with McDavid.

    The Oilers have the second line of Drai-RNH-Moto rolling pretty well.

    They need someone to fill the role on the top line with McDavid and Kassian. I don’t think Neal fits. They have tried mostly everyone on the team so far.

    Does Benson work? I would be reluctant to try a rookie there. I think the key to getting that line zooming better is adding a two-way winger that can do the dirty work in the Oilers end.

    Not sure who that guy is….. Maybe Craig Smith out of Nashville?

  50. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t disagree with the premise.With respect to AA himself, I’ve read that Yzerman will not give him away cheaply.

    I’ve proposed a Puljujarvi and Lagesson type prospect but I’m not sure that gets it done.

    Before Godot replies, I do not have an issue qualifying him a $3M for a one-year risk.

    One caveat: More digging would need to be done in to his horrendous goal differential and how much that is a function of the team and how much he is personally contributing to it.

    I’m sure I read somewhere that the ask is a prospect and 2nd rounder. I guess it’s all speculation. I’m perfectly willing to give up a first rounder, but if has to be for someone with term. Is an RFA considered someone with term?

  51. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: It seems there are many speculating on what his teammates think based off of not being in that situation.

    I know the coach wasn’t fine with it because he said so right after the game.

    Let me explain it to you.
    If there was no response to the Tkacuk hits, every Calgary player, that was so inclined, would consider it open season on Kassian and every other Oiler.
    Kassian responded.
    I know this doesn’t fit in your perfect hockey world but that’s just the way it is.
    But then again, I think you’re one of those Xbox players that Scotty Upshall was talking about.
    Loved that quote.

  52. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Unfortunately, the Oilers suck more.

    The Canadiens just did VCR a huge favour.

    They now have two chances to take over first place in the Pacific.

    I suspect unfortunately is a poor choice of words on your part.

  53. oilersfan says:

    Bank Shot,

    Tyler Ennis?

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m sure I read somewhere that the ask is a prospect and 2nd rounder.I guess it’s all speculation. I’m perfectly willing to give up a first rounder, but if has to be for someone with term. Is an RFA considered someone with term?

    I would consider an RFA and a young player with term, akin – the premise is the player is not a short term acquisition that can leave for nothing.

  55. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Tip said directly and expressly that he wish he would have “taken a number”.

    On the second point – there is TONS of trash talk out there about players being 4th liners and in the minors recently, etc.Its VERY common.

    I would say his response was lip service after the Bertuzzi incident coaches have to be extra careful what they say. I was surprised when he even said take a number for later.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Let me explain it to you.
    If there was no response to the Tkacuk hits, every Calgary player, that was so inclined, would consider it open season on Kassian and every other Oiler.
    Kassian responded.
    I know this doesn’t fit in your perfect hockey world but that’s just the way it is.
    But then again,I think you’re one of those Xbox players that Scotty Upshall was talking about.
    Loved that quote.

    Please save the pretentious opening – nothing you said needed to be “explained to me”.

    All Kassian’s response has “shown” is that an emotional response can be elicited from him giving his team a major disadvantage. Matthew Tkachuk has elicited that response twice – both times turning games in his team’s favor (previously a game his team was getting dominated in and ended up winning most likely because of his ability to elicit said response from Kassian),

    Kassian did nothing to deter “open season” and may have shown how valuable “open season” on him is – it can win teams hockey games.

    Haven’t played a video game in 15 years but don’t let anything stop you from being so sure you know everything about who I am and how I am.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: I would say his response was lip service after the Bertuzzi incident coaches have to be extra careful what they say. I was surprised when he even said take a number for later.

    I don’t think that’s the case – Tippett wanted to win the hockey game and the play hurt his team’s ability to do that.

  58. Bank Shot says:

    oilersfan,

    Ennis could score well enough. He has among the fewest defensive zone starts on the Senators though.

    You may disagree, but I think that McDavid would be better served by a guy that can really carry the load defensively and also score some.

    The Oilers have guys that are committed defensively, but unfortunately none of them have the type of scoring ability that lets them hang on the top line.

    Is Toffoli strong on D?

  59. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m sure I read somewhere that the ask is a prospect and 2nd rounder.I guess it’s all speculation. I’m perfectly willing to give up a first rounder, but if has to be for someone with term. Is an RFA considered someone with term?

    No, not if you have to qualify him at over $3 million dollars to retain his rights.

    Athanasiou is Justin Schultz. Fair value in a trade for someone who has had an awful season and is broken on his current team and needs to be qualified at an absurd number is a 3Rd draft pick.

  60. who says:

    Seems like it does need explaining cause you’re just not getting it.
    It actually sounds like you are condoning Tkacuks play, cause he did draw the penalty that led to the game winning goal. So it must have been a good play to cheap shot Kassian several times. Right?
    And I think most posters on here have a pretty good idea who you are.
    Because you seem to feel the need to post your entire life story on this blog.

  61. drglen says:

    Alex T,

    outstanding!

    It was mentioned and you see it in the videos, how the flames players are not jumping to MT’s defense either.

  62. drglen says:

    everytime I see that replay and zacks horizontal head being bounced like a punching bag, I wince. Dear lord you could have broken his neck.

    Like that Ref who piped in today ( “stewart”?) Just because a hit was technically legal does not mean it was not reckless and dangerous and not warranting suspension.

  63. drglen says:

    Yes Bring up Benson. Look we’re gonna have Gagner with McDavid probably, .. surely nows the time.

  64. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think that’s the case – Tippett wanted to win the hockey game and the play hurt his team’s ability to do that.

    Tkachuk got the better of Kass lined him up 3 times and drew a big 4 minute PP. In the process Tkachuk running away like a little girl school will not be forgotten by the tougher players in the league. Like I mentioned earlier somebody is going to line him up hard in the near future.

  65. Genjutsu says:

    OriginalPouzar: That woudl be “3rd man in”, a penalty and a game misconduct.

    Lindholm was there and tried a bit but there is only so much that can be done – it was the lineseman’s job.

    That’s only when two players have dropped the gloves so no.

  66. Justthestatsman says:

    Reja: None of these players were head hunters. Tkachuk was trying to take out Kassian I still can’t believe he was able to clock Kassian three times.

    That would be my recollection, although I believe Marchment was infamous for going for knees.

  67. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Do you need a safe space?

    Remember when you threatened to contact your lawyer because someone made a joke about you?

    Good times.

  68. Bank Shot says:

    Side: Remember when you threatened to contact your lawyer because someone made a joke about you?

    Good times.

    Lol, Classic.

  69. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade

    https://theathletic.com/1531521/2020/01/14/lowetide-dave-tippetts-deployment-of-oilers-defencemen-indicates-kris-russell-is-vulnerable-to-trade/

  70. who says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade

    https://theathletic.com/1531521/2020/01/14/lowetide-dave-tippetts-deployment-of-oilers-defencemen-indicates-kris-russell-is-vulnerable-to-trade/

    Russell is the ideal dman to trade. No question.
    The most likely to get traded? That’s a whole nuther story.
    When you combine his partial NTC with his 4 million dollar salary, it makes it tough to find a willing trade partner.
    Seems to me it’s going to require some salary retention, or an added sweetener, or a bad contract coming back, or some combination of the the first 3, to get him moved.
    Milan Lucic is a good comparable in this situation. To get rid of his contract we had to do all 3.
    1. Retained 750k
    2. Added 3rd round pick as sweetener.
    3. Took Neals contract back.
    A Russell trade shouldn’t require as many concessions, but it’s certainly not a slam dunk.

  71. meanashell11 says:

    Bank Shot,

    He’s a classic Tkachuk, knows there is no physical price to pay being a dick on the internet so mouths off constantly. Then switches to his alter ego, DSF to make it look like he has friends.

  72. Darth Tu says:

    Well – the 3rd round pick was kind of dependent on Neal still being a player and not being completely over the falls as a player. Turns out that was a reasonable assumption.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Genjutsu: That’s only when two players have dropped the gloves so no.

    This is not true – its “3rd man in to an altercation” – gloves dropped is not a prerequisite.

  74. CallighenMan says:

    He is wrong. The players he listed didn’t turtle and only Marchment was really dirty by the definition of the day I never liked the way he hit when hip checking. Tikk just would shove and wouldn’t shut the hell up, he wasn’t really dirty. Odjick, Edler some times, and Burrows Kesler and Glass. … don’t get me started DSF … the list if truly dirty Dy’s is VERY long!

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