Game 40 2019-20: Barracuda at Condors

Ethan Bear. Patrick Russell. Sam Gagner. Caleb Jones. Kailer Yamamoto. William Lagesson. In the 40 years of the Edmonton Oilers as an NHL franchise, finding solutions to real problems inside the high skill positions from the farm is a fairly rare item. Condors recalls have played in 169 games this season (Bear and Russell made the big club out of camp so I’m cheating a little). The kicker? There’s more to come.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Thomas Drance: Inside how ‘Okanagan boy’ Ken Holland helped bring back the Penticton Young Stars tournament
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers minor-league defenceman Brandon Manning suspended five games for racial slur
  • New Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history
  • New Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Josh Archibald, Riley Sheahan show the upward trend of Ken Holland’s offseason moves for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Post-Christmas performance spike has Evan Bouchard pushing for an NHL job with the Oilers
  • Lowetide:  Central Scouting’s midseason list offers Oilers some strong draft options
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers make a smart two-year bet on Caleb Jones, who has done nothing but improve
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 3 things from the latest Oilers win: A lacrosse goal, Mike Smith’s resurgence and Connor McDavid’s new linemate
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A defiant Zack Kassian issues his latest salvo against Matthew Tkachuk: ‘He messed with the wrong guy’
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers Notebook: Jujhar Khaira’s future, Caleb Jones’ adaptation to NHL speed
  • Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

CONDORS 2019-20

Brandon Manning has been suspended and the club ran multiple lines in the last game because they dressed eight blue, so it’s anyone’s guess what we’ll see tonight.

Manning broke AHL rule 23.9, for use of a racial slur against an opponent. On MLK day.

Stuart Skinner is having an interesting January. In seven games, he’s 3-3-0 (the team is 0-2-1 without him) with a goals against average of 2.81 and a save percentage of .918. I don’t know that he’s winning an NHL job, but he sure looks like the best option.

Evan Bouchard is running strong now, in 12 games since Christmas he is 7-6 in even strength goal differential, 28 shots, four goals and four assists. Edmonton may not make room for him until the summer, so we may not see him this season in Edmonton.

Tyler Benson might be playing his final AHL games this week. I don’t think that’s likely, but it’s possible. One thing the organization may be looking for this year is a spike in goals. Benson’s shot rate in his final junior season (27 goals on 232 shots in 58 games) was four per game, with a shooting percentage of 11.6. In the AHL as a rookie in 2018-19, he had 173 shots in 68 games as a rookie (2.54 per game) with an 8.7 shooting percentage. This season, he has 90 shots in 39 games (2.31 per game) and a 8.9 shooting percentage.

If Benson is recalled, and has enough success to stay (my reasonable expectations had him playing 34 NHL games this season, scoring five goals and seven assists), that might change the deadline shopping list.

The discerning Condors/Oilers fan will now be wondering about next season. With Bear, Jones, Yamamoto, Lagesson and Benson gone, who is going to step up? Among the blue, I think Bouchard will probably be in the NHL next season. So the prospect defensemen in Bakersfield will be Dmitri Samorukov, Logan Day, Filip Berglund and possibly Philip Broberg. Maybe you’ll see Markus Niemelainen or Philip Kemp as well.

Forwards? Raphael Lavoie will turn pro and is likely to earn a feature role ala Benson as a rookie. Expect increased role in the AHL for both Kirill Maksimov and Ostap Safin, with Ryan McLeod becoming a more prominent player as well. I’d also bet on some college and CHL free-agent signings this spring.

I’m honestly not sure where to start with this story. There are so many angles to it. First, no one in the local or national media got the story, over 290 days and nights. That meant a large number of people who are close to Connor McDavid didn’t say a word about it to anyone outside the internal group. That is rare.

People will jump on the media for not getting this story early, and I get that, but let’s remember we’re dealing with some kind of Superman here. Based on Ryan Rishaug’s words above, and what we already know, McDavid had to make a quick decision about the rest of his life, bet on healing, worked like dammit to get it done and arrived in time to make opening night and oh by the way lead the league in scoring! Holy hell! For me, that’s the story. McDavid recovered quickly enough to camouflage the extent of the injury. I have 1/100 of the contacts that someone like Rishaug would have and I asked, believe me. Not a word. At some level, I’m impressed by the loyalty. In today’s world, it’s unique. On another level, what are they going to call the Super Hero movie they make about McDavid?

LARRY WALKER

The baseball hall of fame means a lot, mostly because it’s so damned difficult to get in. Larry Walker’s induction into the Hall will represent ‘some sweet day’ for a lot of people.

The one guy I had hoped would live to see the day, aside from Walker, is Jim Fanning. I’ve been damned hard on Fanning over many years, his taking over the Expos in 1981 (from Dick Williams) was ill-advised in my opinion.

However, it was Fanning who said that if he could ever find a Canadian boy who could flourish for the Expos, he’d had accomplished a goal that began with Montreal’s expansion. He was saying that around the time color commentator Duke Snider was saying the Expos needed a lefty bat with “hair on his ass” who could hit in the heart of the order.

Larry Walker was all of those things and he made it to the hall despite losing a year to injury in winter ball. The first MLB game I saw from him, he walked three times and hit a double. Buck Rodgers had him sixth in the order.

I’m pleased as punch Larry Walker made it. Music!

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

On the show today, at 10 this morning, TSN1260: We’ll talk McDavid, Walker and Manning with Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal. We’ll also chat with Jeff Krushell about Walker and MLB’s winter, plus Joe Osborne from OddsShark pops in with NFL news and Super Bowl prop bets to make your mind buzz. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 19
    COL 13
    DAL 10

    Pacific
    VAN 9
    EDM 8
    CGY 7

    Wildcard
    ARI 6
    VGP 5

    Out of playoffs
    NSH 4
    WPG 4
    CHI 3
    MIN 1
    SJS -4
    ANA -5
    LAK -9

    -Down 3-1 after 1 period, WPG got 7 shots in the 2nd and 3 shots in the 3rd. Ruh Roh Raggy.

    Relevant games tonight:

    -WPG (+165) at CBJ (-190) – I’d expect Brossoit tonight and he’d have to have a ridiculous game for them to win imo. Its not often that -190 is value, but I think it is here.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    PIT 17
    NYI 14

    Atlantic
    BOS 19
    TBY 14
    FLA 12

    Wildcard
    CAR 11
    CBJ 10

    Out of playoffs
    PHI 10
    TOR 8
    NYR 2
    BUF 2
    MTL 1
    OTT -6
    NJD -7
    DET -22

    -No Pacific team would make the playoffs today in the EC.

    -PHI, outside of the playoffs in the EC, would be leading the Pacific.

    -Only STL and COL would be above the wildcard line among WC teams if they were in the AC. Its funny how quickly the worm turns.

    -I don’t think I can ever bet FLA again. However I think Bob is going to play, he goes opposite-Bob.

    Relevant games today:

    WPG (+165) at CBJ (-190) – I expect Jack Adams to continue to do Jack Adams things.

  3. Lowetide says:

    Why do you hate the Pacific, Darcy? If you’re so in love with the east, why don’t you marry it!

    • Woodguy v2.0 says:

      Sorry Matty.

      • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

        An important context is that the Pacific teams are playing each other more than other teams outside of their division. Someone much less lazy then me could compare in-division game pts vs out-division game pts, normalized…to see if it is the “Pacific Effect” 😉
        Just a thought. I am happy enough just to see the Oilers above the cut-off.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      The Pacific has no memory……Not so with spouses.

  4. Paulie says:

    I think loyalty is the key to why the story did not leak. From afar, Connor seems like the kind of person that people would take a bullet for.

  5. Todd Macallan says:

    I can’t imagine anyone has ever won the Hart, Lindsay, Art Ross AND Masterton in the same year, but if the season continues as is this should happen. Cannot wait for the documentary on Friday.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Paulie:
    I think loyalty is the key to why the story did not leak. From afar, Connor seems like the kind of person that people would take a bullet for.

    I agree. It’s basically impossible to keep a secret that big. And they did.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      We have a “place holder” balance photo. (You know…like the family thats in the frame when you buy it)

      Its Connor holding the enitre team in one arm and the entire fan base in the other arm…..which did make it difficult walking up stairs during his rehab.

      #SonOfStan

  7. Soup Fascist says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL19
    COL13
    DAL10

    Pacific
    VAN9
    EDM8
    CGY7

    Wildcard
    ARI6
    VGP5

    Out of playoffs
    NSH4
    WPG4
    CHI3
    MIN1
    SJS-4
    ANA-5
    LAK-9

    -Down 3-1 after 1 period, WPG got 7 shots in the 2nd and 3 shots in the 3rd.Ruh Roh Raggy.

    Relevant games tonight:

    -WPG (+165) at CBJ (-190) – I’d expect Brossoit tonight and he’d have to have a ridiculous game for them to win imo.Its not often that -190 is value, but I think it is here.

    Arizona is coming down to earth in terms of their out-of-worldly save %. Obviously the Kuemper injury is a large factor. But I am not sure how sustainable it was or will be when he returns from injury.

    Something is amiss in Vegas. Their defence corps is suspect but I believe there are other factors at play – not excluding the curious dismissal of Gallant. I would not be shocked to see the three Canadian teams battling to the end in the Pacific.

  8. jtblack says:

    LUCIC has 4 Goals this season. 3 on the PP.

    wierd thing, he is positive CF% & CFrel% the last five years.

    What is his GF%?

    Even with his poor production does he hurt his team? or does he saw off?

  9. jtblack says:

    The Oilers have 1 tough 4 game stretch where they play in TB, FLA & CAR and then face BOS at home. Other thannthat the schedule looks decent.

    I am very interested to see how Ken handles the trade deadline?

    Almost every deadline deal will have Cap implications …amd then there is Kovalchuk @ $700k salary. That will def help MTL get a decent asset for him.

  10. jtblack says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “No Pacific team would make the playoffs today in the EC.

    -PHI, outside of the playoffs in the EC, would be leading the Pacific.

    -Only STL and COL would be above the wildcard line among WC teams if they were in the AC”

    To your point with the “weak” west and Pacific, do you think 90 Points gets a team into the playoffs in the West?

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    There were a lot of us here parsing every snippet of info on McDavid’s injury.

    My take away at the time was that it was more serious than first thought, literally because of the lack of info.

    Think about it; if it was a mundane injury, with rest and a bit of bike work, we would have seen updates every week.

    No, the very thought of a potentially career altering injury to the league’s star player coupled with a healing regimen that didn’t coincide with the team’s wishes? I don’t think anyone else other than Connor could have done that. Hip surgery for a young Finn that wanted a second opinion, anyone?

    I think it’s time to look long and hard at the team’s medical experts.

  12. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL19
    COL13
    DAL10

    Pacific
    VAN9
    EDM8
    CGY7

    Wildcard
    ARI6
    VGP5

    Out of playoffs
    NSH4
    WPG4
    CHI3
    MIN1
    SJS-4
    ANA-5
    LAK-9

    -Down 3-1 after 1 period, WPG got 7 shots in the 2nd and 3 shots in the 3rd.Ruh Roh Raggy.

    Relevant games tonight:

    -WPG (+165) at CBJ (-190) – I’d expect Brossoit tonight and he’d have to have a ridiculous game for them to win imo.Its not often that -190 is value, but I think it is here.

    Last year Winnipeg RHD
    Buf
    Trouba
    Myers

    All gone this year. Pionk is doing well, but I am quite surprised this boat didn’t roll over and sink sooner…
    Oilers are emerging to have significant RHD depth
    Bear
    Lars
    Benn
    Pers
    Bouch
    Berg

    (pinch me)

    I wouldn’t suggest moving a RHD this year, but if Oil can sign/re-sign guys on decent contracts, they should be able to bring WIN to their knees for a decent package involving a decent F in the summer…

    But who knows…if WIN is willing to take KRussel for Perrault at the trade deadline, should the Oilers do it? Losing some depth on D for some depth on F…??

  13. Woogie63 says:

    I guess I am on the side of disappointed in the hockey media. In the off season when there is very little hockey news, the biggest story of the year was not reported.

    I wonder about the so called “insider”, are they as well connected as they advertise; do they hold stories at the request of the teams; are they just a part of the PR machine that is the NHL/Rogers/Bell?

    I get the Oilers not waning the news reported, but is the policy of Bell, Rogers, Disney, NBC to follow the team’s wishes?

  14. elgruntus says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I know Sheldon Souray would agree

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    All gone this year. Pionk is doing well, but I am quite surprised this boat didn’t roll over and sink

    Their expected goals rate has been down with DET for the last few months.

    If it wasn’t for Hellebuyck’s Hasek impression they would have been there earlier.

  16. LMHF#1 says:

    Woogie63:
    I guess I am on the side of disappointed in the hockey media.In the off season when there is very little hockey news, the biggest story of the year was not reported.

    I wonder about the so called “insider”, are they as well connected as they advertise; do they hold stories at the request of the teams; are they just a part of the PR machine that is the NHL/Rogers/Bell?

    I get the Oilers not waning the news reported, but is the policy of Bell, Rogers, Disney, NBC to follow the team’s wishes?

    This is why access doesn’t matter and there should be a group of unrestrained writers/commenters around hockey like there is with MLB – and yet “the club” remains.

    It’s not something that particularly bothers me – just annoying when people act like access matters so they play nice, and that things coming from a certain very limited amount of sources matters when they almost never give you all of the relevant info – or indeed can be actively misleading you. It’s rather pointless.

  17. Litke 94 says:

    I’m not disappointed at all that Connor’s story wasn’t leaked. I’m pleased that it stayed quiet and allowed him the space to train and heal properly. Kudos to him and his inner circle.

    Does anyone know of the best site to look up a Defenceman’s prevented controlled zone entries? Is there a specific name for this stat?

  18. Side says:

    Jethro Tull:
    There were a lot of us here parsing every snippet of info on McDavid’s injury.

    My take away at the time was that it was more serious than first thought, literally because of the lack of info.

    Think about it; if it was a mundane injury, with rest and a bit of bike work, we would have seen updates every week.

    No, the very thought of a potentially career altering injury to the league’s star player coupled with a healing regimen that didn’t coincide with the team’s wishes? I don’t think anyone else other than Connor could have done that.Hip surgery for a young Finn that wanted a second opinion, anyone?

    I think it’s time to look long and hard at the team’s medical experts.

    I might have missed where this was said, but what were the team’s wishes for Connor and how did they not coincide?

    • PennersPancakes says:

      From the information released I dont think that was ever reported unless JT has found something we havent? I think surgery was just listed as the go to option for this injury, not that the Oilers were pushing specifically for one methodology for recovery.

      Lots of speculation. Especially with the reference to Pulju. Puljus first doctor recommended surgery. He wanted a second opinion and got it which ALSO recommended surgery. He got surgery.

      https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/02/28/edmonton-oilers-jesse-puljujarvi-sidelined-for-remainder-of-season/

      I dont see how the organization handled these two cases wrong.

      • Side says:

        Yeah I don’t see how the org. handled these 2 cases, or most cases within the last 5 years or so, wrongly.

        I guess the Souray situation really soured some people.

  19. dustrock says:

    Jethro Tull:
    There were a lot of us here parsing every snippet of info on McDavid’s injury.

    My take away at the time was that it was more serious than first thought, literally because of the lack of info.

    Think about it; if it was a mundane injury, with rest and a bit of bike work, we would have seen updates every week.

    No, the very thought of a potentially career altering injury to the league’s star player coupled with a healing regimen that didn’t coincide with the team’s wishes? I don’t think anyone else other than Connor could have done that.Hip surgery for a young Finn that wanted a second opinion, anyone?

    I think it’s time to look long and hard at the team’s medical experts.

    I agree completely. The total lack of any updates actually led me to fear that he had a setback and wouldn’t be ready for the start of the season.

    They talked about a complete tear of the PCL and if that’s the case, he’s now playing without a PCL on that leg, because a complete tear wouldn’t heal – it’s a ligament – it would have snapped. And if it healed, there would have been scar tissue for sure and the ligament would never be the same again.

    So now that we’re talking about it, I’m pretty curious to hear about the actual PCL and what they’ve done to mitigate the tear/scar tissue. Certainly strengthening the legs to compensate, both legs at once so he’s not unbalanced. Man he must have the strongest legs in the world at this point.

    I don’t necessarily blame the doctors for saying surgery, because (a) if it was a total PCL tear, he’d need grafts and screws to replace the ligament, (b) the timeline for surgery on ligaments is like 2 weeks, max, so he didn’t have much time to make a decision, and (c) in terms of success, it would be easier for the surgeons to say “if we operate, here’s what will happen” than to say “well, rest and rehab and we’ll see.

    McDavid obviously had youth and was in elite shape and had that going for him, but this was an insanely courageous move for anybody, let alone the best player in the world at age 24.

    Remarkable.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Connor just turned 23 this month (Jan. 13th), so he would have been aged 22 when the injury/rehab occurred.

      Also, when he was training at Gary Roberts’ camp two years ago (or was it three? Time flies…) it was said that Connor was in a group of three players with the highest deadlift of >500 lbs, including Stamkos and none other than Phil “The Thrill” Kessel.

  20. dustrock says:

    LMHF#1: This is why access doesn’t matter and there should be a group of unrestrained writers/commenters around hockey like there is with MLB – and yet “the club” remains.

    It’s not something that particularly bothers me – just annoying when people act like access matters so they play nice, and that things coming from a certain very limited amount of sources matters when they almost never give you all of the relevant info – or indeed can be actively misleading you. It’s rather pointless.

    Exactly. When was the last time anyone local broke any story?

    Other than someone like Stauffer obviously getting fed info to talk about taking Broberg in the draft so the fanbase is prepared.

    Recently read an article on The Athletic about the reporter who broke the Michael Jordan retirement story the night before he was going to give the press conference.

    Now there was a guy who put 2 and 2 together, worked his sources and even David Stern until he got confirmation.

  21. JimmyV1965 says:

    Paulie:
    I think loyalty is the key to why the story did not leak. From afar, Connor seems like the kind of person that people would take a bullet for.

    I think there’s a lot of journalistic incompetence at play here. They made a documentary about the whole thing, and yet no one in the MSM heard about it. The number of people that knew about this must have made an extremely large trust circle.

  22. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    We are very lucky.

    Mike Parkatti has a new blog post up: http://boysonthebus.com/index.php/2020/01/22/the-unlikeliness-of-goaltending-a-new-methodology-to-assess-talent/

    He’s a treasure.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      This is GOLD Jerry!…..GOLD!

      New York Times says “If you only have time to click one link today…..”

      Thanks WG

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woogie63:
    I guess I am on the side of disappointed in the hockey media.In the off season when there is very little hockey news, the biggest story of the year was not reported.

    I wonder about the so called “insider”, are they as well connected as they advertise; do they hold stories at the request of the teams; are they just a part of the PR machine that is the NHL/Rogers/Bell?

    I get the Oilers not waning the news reported, but is the policy of Bell, Rogers, Disney, NBC to follow the team’s wishes?

    Agreed. This is an embarrassment for the local media. And I’m the one usually defending them. It boggles the mind that they made a documentary about this under the noses of the MSM.

    • flea says:

      Probably pretty easy actually – Connor constantly has cameras following him I’m sure. Promos, commercials, training videos, etc. Mayhe the Edmonton media chose not to release it as well at the Oilers wishes – didn’t want other teams to know early in the season what he was dealing with.

      • pts2pndr says:

        Part of the reason medical info is kept under wraps are players like turtlechuck who would not be above targeting the rehabbing injury. The players safety and privacy regarding injuries or medical issues should always be prioritized over the publics right to know.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evan Bouchard is definitely progressing at lightning speed now – he has come along way in the last 4-6 weeks.

    What’s impressed me the most is his transition by skate – we knew that he could make the breakout pass and he can indeed do that and do so very calmly but he has become very adept at skating the puck out of dangers without hesitation, through the neutral zone and with a clean zone entry – think Darnell Nurse in that area but with the offensive instincts to make a play with the puck in the attacking zone.

    As Woody likes to say, his proximity to the check has improved markedly – that’s his gap control both defending the rush as well as in defensive zone coverage.

    I’m a bit underwhelmed by his offensive zone “half court game”, in particular on the PP but check that to mostly systems.

    He is starting to PK a bit now and is top pairing at evens and firmly PP1 – probably around 24 minutes per game or so recently.

  25. ArmchairGM says:

    Litke 94:
    I’m not disappointed at all that Connor’s story wasn’t leaked. I’m pleased that it stayed quiet and allowed him the space to train and heal properly. Kudos to him and his inner circle.

    Does anyone know of the best site to look up a Defenceman’s prevented controlled zone entries? Is there a specific name for this stat?

    https://public.tableau.com/profile/christopher.turtoro#!/vizhome/2-yearA3ZPlayerComps/ComparisonDashboard

    ?

  26. deankb says:

    So here is the weird stat then…The OIlers wouldn’t be a playoff team in the east based on points, but they enjoy a winning record against the east. A substantial one at that, 14-6-2…

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Brian Burke says, whenever anyone will listen, that you have to build a hockey team that can compete in a variety of ways, in order to beat a variety of styles of team.

      Once the Oilers achieve balance, they may well be the best team in the west to measure up against the style of eastern teams.

  27. Justthestatsman says:

    Woogie63:
    I guess I am on the side of disappointed in the hockey media.In the off season when there is very little hockey news, the biggest story of the year was not reported.

    I wonder about the so called “insider”, are they as well connected as they advertise; do they hold stories at the request of the teams; are they just a part of the PR machine that is the NHL/Rogers/Bell?

    I get the Oilers not waning the news reported, but is the policy of Bell, Rogers, Disney, NBC to follow the team’s wishes?

    From the sounds of things, short of tapping Holland’s phone or hiding out for days in the bat cave, there was no way this info was getting out. I doubt any of his team mates even knew.

    In some ways, it’s nice to know they can keep a secret if they want to. Unless Connor didn’t even tell the Oilers…

  28. Andy Dufresne says:

    Terry Jones has crossed over.

    Thank you Terry for so many great movies:

    French Soldier : “I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.”

    Black Knight with no arms left after a battle : “It’s just a flesh wound.”

    And my personal favorite:

    Bridgekeeper : “What… is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?”

    #BlessedAreTheCheeseMakers

    • geowal says:

      Am I the only one who thought we’d lost our Old edmonton sun Oilers writer when they heard the news?

  29. Wolfpack says:

    We all know that baseball is the most stats-driven of the major sports – in baseball it is all about the numbers. Someone on twitter the other day posted all the key numbers (lifetime batting average, OBS, SLG, gold gloves, etc.) for Larry Walker next to Jeter’s numbers. They were really close, and in a lot of cases Walker had better career numbers than Jeter (all the areas listed above). Took Larry Walker until his final year of eligibility to barely squeak in, and Jeter got in on year one with all but one vote.

    I’m not sure I know enough about this to analyze it properly but I am guessing that when it comes to Cooperstown it matters a LOT where a player plays.

  30. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. Ontario Reign; January 20th, 2020; deployment (7D-ish)

    Benson-Currie/Maksimov
    Gambardella-Currie/Day
    Esposito-Maksimov/Stukel
    Stukel-Koules

    (Centres Granlund/Malone/McLeod/Cave rotating)

    Lowe-Bouchard
    Lagesson-Benning
    Kulevich-Manning
    Kulevich-Day
    Bouchard-Day

    Game Totals:

    58CF-41CA
    37FF-24FA
    0GF-0GA

    Top F: Currie (1.28 Game Score)
    5 shot attempts, 5 shot assists
    27CF-12CA
    16FF-8FA
    0GF-0GA

    Top D: Bouchard (1.25 Game Score)
    9 shot attempts, 3 shot assists
    30CF-15CA
    18FF-8FA
    0GF-0GA

  31. Ribs says:

    With the very little information we were getting in the off season, I was pretty confident that McDavid’s knee would be causing problems this season. When they said no surgery, that usually meant sticking some duct tape on it and hoping for the best. I’m so glad the rehab took and we are anticipating a full season of McDavid now. What luck.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde:
    Bakersfield Condors vs. Ontario Reign; January 20th, 2020; deployment (7D-ish)

    Benson-Currie/Maksimov
    Gambardella-Currie/Day
    Esposito-Maksimov/Stukel
    Stukel-Koules

    (Centres Granlund/Malone/McLeod/Cave rotating)

    Lowe-Bouchard
    Lagesson-Benning
    Kulevich-Manning
    Kulevich-Day
    Bouchard-Day

    Game Totals:

    58CF-41CA
    37FF-24FA
    0GF-0GA

    Top F: Currie (1.28 Game Score)
    5 shot attempts, 5 shot assists
    27CF-12CA
    16FF-8FA
    0GF-0GA

    Top D: Bouchard (1.25 Game Score)
    9 shot attempts, 3 shot assists
    30CF-15CA
    18FF-8FA
    0GF-0GA

    Thanks, as always, for this info. Do you publish player totals anywhere? I’d be interested in seeing how the prospects have been tracking through the season.

  33. Andy Dufresne says:

    Its also amazing how McDavid left the ice under his own steam after both his shoulder injury and his knee injury.

    #SonOfStan

    #WalkLikeAMan

  34. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    French Soldier : “I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.”

    Pretty sure that one was Cleese.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      If Im not mistaken….Cleese delivered the line…..Jones wrote it 🙂

      #CollaborationIsPowerful

      Edit: I stand corrected. You are correct Cleese did in fact write that line and the ‘its just a flesh wound” as well.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        One more interesting fact.

        Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd and Genesis all invested money in order to see the movie got made/finished

  35. Ribs says:

    Manning broke AHL rule 23.9, for use of a racial slur against an opponent. On MLK day.

    Yikes. It’s looking like this guy is everything we really hoped he wasn’t.

  36. Durag says:

    A big takeaway from this McDavid story for me is that I want something absolutely heinous inflicted on Giordano in the next game. It’s not smart or rational, but there it is.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I completely understand the sentiment.

      My takeaway is “dont take ANYTHING for granted”…..McDavid is a gift to Edmonton….enjoy every moment.

  37. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    dustrock: I agree completely.The total lack of any updates actually led me to fear that he had a setback and wouldn’t be ready for the start of the season.

    They talked about a complete tear of the PCL and if that’s the case, he’s now playing without a PCL on that leg, because a complete tear wouldn’t heal – it’s a ligament – it would have snapped.And if it healed, there would have been scar tissue for sure and the ligament would never be the same again.

    So now that we’re talking about it, I’m pretty curious to hear about the actual PCL and what they’ve done to mitigate the tear/scar tissue.Certainly strengthening the legs to compensate, both legs at once so he’s not unbalanced.Man he must have the strongest legs in the world at this point.

    I don’t necessarily blame the doctors for saying surgery, because (a) if it was a total PCL tear, he’d need grafts and screws to replace the ligament, (b) the timeline for surgery on ligaments is like 2 weeks, max, so he didn’t have much time to make a decision, and (c) in terms of success, it would be easier for the surgeons to say “if we operate, here’s what will happen” than to say “well, rest and rehab and we’ll see.

    McDavid obviously had youth and was in elite shape and had that going for him, but this was an insanely courageous move for anybody, let alone the best player in the world at age 24.

    Remarkable.

    Does this mean the window for surgery to repair the PCL is now closed forever ? Like for example, if there is some damage to the knee again, surgery is not going to be able fix the PCL??
    Does he have to maintain this superhuman leg strength for his entire career to compensate for not having a PCL on that leg??
    Sounds like a rather risky decision to forgo the surgery UNLESS the rehab has some how essentially permanently mitigated the damage…

    Trying to process this news a bit…sometimes ignorance is bliss. Watching him fly around this year thinking, injury-schminjury, he’s all better now…but this is a little un-nerving…

    Maybe he has super-human healing powers?

    • dustrock says:

      I’m no surgeon. My wife works with MIC in imaging so I hear all the time about how it was a good thing I quit playing soccer a few years ago or I would have had torn pretty much everything at this point. :p

      Whether or not they can operate on the PCL if there is a future tear, I would guess they can, they’re just going to be dealing with scar tissue on the ligament.

      Theoretically a completely torn ligament can heal but it’s unlikely (and in the case of an ACL, highly unlikely, so thank god he didn’t tear the ACL).

      He must have had a very exact rehab plan that he followed to the letter (sounds like Connor), kept it fully immobile so the ligament could properly heal, and he must have Logan’s healing factor.

      Doing rehab and attempting healing is fairly new in terms of treating these injuries, but we need the Oilers’ medical staff to be fully up to date on these techniques.

      • PennersPancakes says:

        Logan healing factor aka HGH. Dont blame them one bit but theres a reason even by todays standards players are coming back sooner. When theres millions of dollars on the line you bet theyre pumping in the good stuff.

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    Wolfpack,

    Those aren’t *all* the key numbers. Also – longevity and consistency tend to matter in the baseball HOF.

    They’re certainly weird about it – and Walker likely should have gotten in previously – but comparing him to someone who should have been unanimous is not particularly useful.

    Cherry picking and then acting like 3465 hits to 2160 hits doesn’t matter for instance was rather disingenuous of people who just don’t like the Yankees for the most part. Not saying that’s what you’re doing here btw.

  39. Wilde says:

    ArmchairGM:

    Thanks, as always, for this info. Do you publish player totals anywhere? I’d be interested in seeing how the prospects have been tracking through the season.

    No it’s basically just on-demand and when I decide to highlight something, publishing up-to-date all-roster stuff takes much more time than one (me especially) might think

  40. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde: No it’s basically just on-demand and when I decide to highlight something, publishing up-to-date all-roster stuff takes much more time than one (me especially) might think

    But you do have the raw data for each player for each game, right? I assume in an excel spreadsheet somewhere?

  41. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Once Oilers recall Benson it could be awhile that we see a another up and coming forward from Bakersfield. Maybe Lavoie or McLoud in 2021-2022. Oilers need to draft 2 forwards with top 2 picks this year.

    • defmn says:

      Or trade one or two of their young dmen for young forwards.

      That is the quicker path to balance imo.

      I know this team’s record of bad trades makes people nervous when they hear the ‘t’ word but it is possible to make trades for equal value or even win one once in a while.

      At least that is what I have heard. 😉

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    The Oilers have 1 tough 4 game stretch where they play in TB, FLA & CAR and then face BOS at home.Other thannthat the schedule looks decent.

    I am very interested to see how Ken handles the trade deadline?

    Almost every deadline deal will have Cap implications …amd then there is Kovalchuk @ $700k salary.That will def help MTL get a decent asset for him.

    Schedule looks decent but I do think they have 31 games in 60 days or something like that????

  43. Bag of Pucks says:

    Wolfpack:
    We all know that baseball is the most stats-driven of the major sports – in baseball it is all about the numbers. Someone on twitter the other day posted all the key numbers (lifetime batting average, OBS, SLG, gold gloves, etc.) for Larry Walker next to Jeter’s numbers. They were really close, and in a lot of cases Walker had better career numbers than Jeter (all the areas listed above). Took Larry Walker until his final year of eligibility to barely squeak in, and Jeter got in on year one with all but one vote.

    I’m not sure I know enough about this to analyze it properly but I am guessing that when it comes to Cooperstown it matters a LOT where a player plays.

    The case against Walker was partially stat driven actually. He had battled the perception that Coors Field was a notoriously hitter friendly park that helped to jack his numbers.

    Larry also never had the good fortune to play on a champion and unfortunately that team accomplishment carries a lot of weight with voters. Jeter played in the biggest media market and is perceived as a ‘winner.’ That gets him in on the first ballot while a small market guy like Walker with no titles squeezes in on his last chance saloon imo

  44. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – How much of this is CIBC trying to open bank accounts, Addidas trying to sell equipement, All-Star game trying to set up some buzz, Sportsnet to get clicks?

    – It is impressive the rehab he did, but there is a lot of hyperbole, and dramatic music. I’m skeptical about some of the claims, but whatever, I don’t hate McD for feeding the machine.

    – All I know is that next year, McD should be even more beast-mode: an off-season where he is training to get better, rather than just to get his knee rehabbed. Just as he enters his prime, and the team continues to be better…

  45. digger50 says:

    I have seen at least 15 articles covering what a bad person Brandon Manning is. Although he answered the Bell for his teammates when Ontario Thew thier goon squad out with one minute left, his choice of words can’t be defended. Okay

    I often hear topics on this blog about racism, bullying, respect.

    Then this morning 1260 launches thier Matt Thachuk song. I was offended that our city sports radio would launch such an attack on a young athlete, hate him or not. How is that acceptable?? It doesn’t cross lines because it avoids a particular word?

    I’d much rather have Brandon Manning on my team than Dusty Nielson.

    • pts2pndr says:

      Turtlechuk has been trying to injure players since he came into the league with total disregard. He appears to have zero respect for his fellow professionals. How or why should he deserve respect in return. The NHL has turned a blind eye because it sells tickets. It will be very interesting to see how this plays our. You know what they say about Karma.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Hot take alert!

  46. digger50 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – How much of this is CIBC trying to open bank accounts, Addidas trying to sell equipement, All-Star game trying to set up some buzz, Sportsnet to get clicks?

    – It is impressive the rehab he did, but there is a lot of hyperbole, and dramatic music. I’m skeptical about some of the claims, but whatever, I don’t hate McD for feeding the machine.

    – All I know is that next year, McD should be even more beast-mode: an off-season where he is training to get better, rather than just to get his knee rehabbed.Just as he enters his prime, and the team continues to be better…

    My takeaway Kinger was that we almost missed his prime and it can still happen.

    I mentioned in summer, with Connor the time is now. Every game he is on the roster the time is now. I don’t advocate foolishness, but I argue against those waiting 2-3 years before we are “ready “ to start winning. The time is now, get the kid some help. He can single handedly win a playoff series against any team in the league.

  47. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar: Schedule looks decent but I do think they have 31 games in 60 days or something like that????

    Def gonna be a grind … Hopefullly a more balanced scoring attack leads us through the sprint to the Playoffs !!!!

  48. Side says:

    digger50:
    I have seen at least 15 articles covering what a bad person Brandon Manning is. Although he answered the Bell for his teammates when Ontario Thew thier goon squad out with one minute left,his choice of words can’t be defended. Okay

    I often hear topics on this blog about racism, bullying, respect.

    Then this morning 1260 launches thier Matt Thachuk song. I was offended that our city sports radio would launch such an attack on a young athlete, hate him or not. How is that acceptable?? It doesn’t cross lines because it avoids a particular word?

    I’d much rather have Brandon Manning on my team than Dusty Nielson.

    You’re comparing a parody radio song to a derogatory slur being used.

  49. digger50 says:

    Side: You’re comparing a parody radio song to a derogatory slur being used.

    Yes I am. But it’s just a parody right? Fuck that guy. And I’m suggesting the parody is much worse, worse message. And worse damage than the Manning incident.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      A parody of a guy who consistently makes predatory plays with intent to injure.

      But hey, sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me, AMIRITE?

      Holy overreaction, Batman.

    • Darth Tu says:

      You’re trolling right? A parody song is worse than a racial slur being used mid-game – in earshot of refs and multiple players?

  50. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    We are very lucky.

    Mike Parkatti has a new blog post up:http://boysonthebus.com/index.php/2020/01/22/the-unlikeliness-of-goaltending-a-new-methodology-to-assess-talent/

    He’s a treasure.

    Holy doodle this is great.

    Also – check out Rask and Lundqvist’s tables. Holy doodle they have been good for a looooooong time.

  51. jtblack says:

    I am suggesting, guessing, opinionating that the Stanley Cup will go to one of these 6 teams:

    WSH 22
    PIT 17
    BOS 19
    TBY 14
    STL 19
    COL 13

    To me they are the Big Boyz …. Obviously anything can happen. I really hope Edmonton gets in to the playoffs. Nothing beats mid week benders every second night in April 🙂

  52. PennersPancakes says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – How much of this is CIBC trying to open bank accounts, Addidas trying to sell equipement, All-Star game trying to set up some buzz, Sportsnet to get clicks?

    If you’re trying to make money/sell ad space a hockey documentary is not the first, second, … 50th choice. The guys who made this also did Ice Guardians and Coco. I think they just love hockey.

  53. Side says:

    digger50: Yes I am. But it’s just a parody right? Fuck that guy. And I’m suggesting the parody is much worse, worse message. And worse damage than the Manning incident.

    Must be one hell of a song.

  54. Harpers Hair says:

    jtblack:
    I am suggesting, guessing, opinionating that the Stanley Cup will go to one of these 6 teams:

    WSH 22
    PIT 17
    BOS 19
    TBY 14
    STL 19
    COL 13

    To me they are the Big Boyz …. Obviously anything can happen. I really hope Edmonton gets in to the playoffs.Nothing beats mid week benders every second night in April

    Don’t sleep on Dallas.

    Best defensive team in the league.

    Bishop and Khudobin both sporting .927 save percentages.

    They’ve also beaten Colorado (their most likely first round opponent) 4 straight.

  55. digger50 says:

    Side: Must be one hell of a song.

    Think about it Side

    Your kid doesn’t like another kid in class. Well don’t call him a racial slur we know that is bad. Check. But what we are going to do is make a song and call him anything you want, shame that kid, embarrass him,it’s all good kids. After all you hate that kid and so does everyone else so fair game. Then we’ll announce your song to the school and the city. Haha.

    This is the message.

    I dislike Tkachuk but for gods sake Edmonton media (1260) have some class.

    • OriginalPouzar says:

      Sounds like contract negotiations are ongoing with Sheahan, Archie and Nygard, in addition to Kass.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      You’re comparing a schoolyard bully to a predatory punk who’s an adult and professional athelete.

      If you think a parody song generated to buoy the morale of the hometown fan base is going to rankle MT’s confidence, I think you’ve underestimated the thickness of his skin or level of give a shit in general. You think people didn’t deride Marchand licking faces, among a litany of other heinous plays? You think Marchand cares one iota? If so check his twitter feed. He doesn’t.

      MT made public actions against Oilers (and other players) game after game. Slew foot on Davidson; beginning of the end for his career. Face wash McDavid, refuse to answer bell against Kassian. Dirty blind side hits against Kassian, refuses to answer bell. Maybe you’ll see a pattern here.

      He did all these actions in public. This isn’t some private matter that can be resolved in house by a meeting between parents and the jr. high school principal. He deserves all the public derision he gets.

    • Side says:

      I am thinking about it and I am not sure how your example of an entire city bullying an innocent child in an educational institution is any way similar to a radio station making a dumb parody song on a professional athlete for its listeners who choose to listen in. Where the song is based on the actions of said athlete. And the song is meant to hype up a sports event, taunt and mock someone who is not even listening and likely doesn’t even care about said song.

      I’m still not sure how any of this is even similar to Brandon Manning directly calling someone a slur, just because of the colour of their skin.

  56. jtblack says:

    Harpers Hair: Don’t sleep on Dallas.

    Best defensive team in the league.

    Bishop and Khudobin both sporting .927 save percentages.

    They’ve also beaten Colorado (their most likely first round opponent) 4 straight.

    they started the year 1- 7-1.

    Currently 27-17-4

    So they have went 26-10-3 since then .. SOLID for sure …

  57. Munny says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – How much of this is CIBC trying to open bank accounts, Addidas trying to sell equipement, All-Star game trying to set up some buzz, Sportsnet to get clicks?

    – It is impressive the rehab he did, but there is a lot of hyperbole, and dramatic music. I’m skeptical about some of the claims, but whatever, I don’t hate McD for feeding the machine.

    – All I know is that next year, McD should be even more beast-mode: an off-season where he is training to get better, rather than just to get his knee rehabbed.Just as he enters his prime, and the team continues to be better…

    Just a heads up, but this really belongs in the prior thread. It may even be the reason why LT gave the topic its own post.

  58. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    digger50: Think about it Side

    Your kid doesn’t like another kid in class. Well don’t call him a racial slur we know that is bad. Check. But what we are going to do is make a song and call him anything you want, shame that kid, embarrass him,it’s all good kids. After all you hate that kid and so does everyone else so fair game. Then we’ll announce your song to the school and the city. Haha.

    This is the message.

    I dislike Tkachuk but for gods sake Edmonton media (1260) have some class.

    – This is great: thanks for the perspective

    – It’s just hockey, and guys hitting guys because hockey is violent. Many fans like that. If he was on our team, many would love him for playing on the edge, and drawing penalties and getting under opponents skin. Really who cares? We are willingly watching a sport for entertainment.

  59. Munny says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Terry Jones has crossed over.

    Thank you Terry for so many great movies:

    French Soldier : “I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.”

    Black Knight with no arms left after a battle : “It’s just a flesh wound.”

    And my personal favorite:

    Bridgekeeper : “What… is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?”

    #BlessedAreTheCheeseMakers

    “Beans, beans, beans, Spam and beans, but that has less beans in it.”

    Hopefully, there’s more Spam and less beans wherever Terry has passed to.

    His greatest line though was:

    “He’s not the Messiah, he’s just a very naughty boy.”

    RIP, Mr. Jones. Greatest comic falsetto ever.

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    Wilde:
    yes

    I know I’m asking a lot, but would you be willing to share this? I wouldn’t be publishing anything anywhere, it’s just for my own interest and sharing with the group here.

  61. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Munny,

    – It was meant to be reply to a link in this post that a poster put up re: Elliote’s comments on McD

    – But the whole (Quote) (Reply ) Reply thingy got me. I hope this “reply” works

    *Edit: Nope, I clicked on the wrong one, I meant to put it into your reply: oh well!

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      To reply in line, use the Reply button that IS NOT in parenthesis.

      The new one.

      The old buttons still function as they always have.

      • Reja says:

        Cowboy:
        Jethro Tull,

        Where did you see it was against the teams wishes? All I have read was it was Conner having to make a decision.

        I feel very confident that any serious injury in the NHL comes with 2nd opinions unless its a clear injury like a torn acl, easy to fix easy to recover. Through my professional athletic career I have never not been offered a 2nd opinion and talked through return to sport pre surgery. In fact I told 1 dr that I was not willing to have him cut into me because he didn’t understand my sport. And I have no clout at all. Conner does

        Sounds to me like Connor was given option A or B from several of the best Surgeons in the world. I’m sure after carefully weighing the options, the pros and cons with family and the Oilers in chose option B.

  62. Wilde says:

    There is less evidence of my position on McLeod’s lack of offense than there was at the beginning of the season.

    Here’s the 5-on-5 primary points per game of Condors forward who’s played more than 20 games in his cluster or ahead:

    Benson – 0.33
    Gambardella – 0.33
    Yamamoto – 0.30

    Currie – 0.28
    Cave – 0.27
    McLeod – 0.26

    That’s seriously impressive. To be in a grouping with strong veterans like Currie and Cave among your team’s scorers – especially with his role. We don’t have eTOI for this year (rip prospect-stats&don’t yell at me for not developing a formula yet, I’m Big Dumb) but last year the shot-events per game and the time-on-ice per game lined up pretty well, so let’s look at McLeod in the mix by that metric.

    (it’s on-ice shot attempts-for + on-ice shot attempts-against aka all attempted shots by either team while the player was on the ice aka ‘CT’ for ‘Corsi Total’ in my internal documentation)

    (min. 20 GP, again)

    Currie – 28.95
    Yamamoto – 28.35
    Malone – 28.34
    Benson – 27.92
    Gambardella – 27.36

    Marody – 26.17
    Cave – 25.09

    Esposito – 23.62

    Maksimov – 20.36
    McLeod – 19.72
    Peluso – 19.43

    Koules – 17.48

    It’s driven by a high ratio of his individual shot attempts and shot attempt (primary) assists into goals and primary assists. 5.58% shot attempts to goals (2nd of 12 regular forwards; noted above) and 7.59% shot attempt (primary) assists turning to (primary) assists (1st of 12 regular forwards).

    As for the on-ice numbers, McLeod is actually 9th of 12 in CF-to-GF – not just riding a teammate’s wave.

    [ Team-wide, the Condors are creeping up towards last year’s 4.15%, currently at 3.92%. NHL average since 2017-18 is 4.31%. ]

    • Darth Tu says:

      This is good news. I really hope that McLeod can take the reins next season and be a driver for the Condors. With Lavoie heading down the pipeline as well we seem to be looking a wee bit better with the long term forward prospect depth.

      I’m hoping Benson gets his chance sooner rather than later with the big club. Complication being that we’re winning now and the playoffs look to be an achievable goal. Only thing I can think to do to get Benson in the team is to drop Gagner, but I’d rather Benson didn’t start on the 4th line.

    • Bulging Twine says:

      I realize there are some good veterans down in Bakersfield but McLeod getting 4th line minutes?! Not cool.

      • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

        It’s fluctuated over the course of the season.

        • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

          Hopefully next year is locked in the top 6. That guy is a rocket on skates, just a little bit more Woody learnin and it would great to have him pushing the line-up for camp Sept. 2021

      • Wilde says:

        3rd line.

        A lot of the 4th line CT/GP players don’t hit the 20GP sample threshold so it makes him look closer to the floor than he is, a lot of 4th-line-playing players have like 14-17 CT/GP

        • Bulging Twine says:

          okay good to know

          we don’t need anyone getting the Yakupov, Puljujarvi treatment down on the farm

  63. Wilde says:

    digger50:
    Your kid doesn’t like another kid in class. Well don’t call him a racial slur we know that is bad. Check. But what we are going to do is make a song and call him anything you want, shame that kid, embarrass him,it’s all good kids. After all you hate that kid and so does everyone else so fair game. Then we’ll announce your song to the school and the city. Haha.

    Players are public figures; not at all analogous. Everything you can think of as a comparison for how we treat public figures (actors, entertainers, politicians, etc) would fail this test. Making fun of a celebrity in public is allowed.

    That’s without even TOUCHING the fact that the content of the insult (!!!!!!) is worlds apart. Worlds apart.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Agreed and also there’s the fact that this person gets paid handsomely and injures people seemingly gleefully.

      And he’s a full grown man now not a child.

  64. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn:
    Or trade one or two of their young dmen for young forwards.

    That is the quicker path to balance imo.

    I know this team’s record of bad trades makes people nervous when they hear the ‘t’ word but it is possible to make trades for equal value or even win one once in a while.

    At least that is what I have heard.

    Any time you trade a prospect or not-fully-developed player for another you risk looking a bit silly, no question. But the thing to understand is that the Oilers will lose probably 2 or 3 of these young defensemen for nothing next year if they hold on to them, as they are no longer waiver exempt. Roster consideration next year:

    LHD

    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Russell
    Jones
    Lagesson

    RHD

    Bear
    Larsson
    Bouchard
    Benning
    Persson

    That’s 10 players vying for 7 spots. Unless Bouchard starts in Bakersfield (I suspect he’ll force his way onto the roster in training camp) Holland faces losing 3 players to waiver claims in the weeks before the season opens. The only way to avert this is to move some of these guys in the summer for young NHL-ready forwards.

    I imagine he’ll try to move Russell, especially due to cap restraints, but apart from that I could see Benning, Lagesson and Persson not returning next fall. They might be able to slip Persson through waivers depending on what happens during the remainder of this season.

    I’d rather trade these players for something – anything – than lose them on waivers. Not that I’m advocating trading them at a loss, but they have to be moved and the market might not bear what we think it should, and I think we should be prepared for that eventuality.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Bouch starts in the Bake trade Russell and run with 8 D.

      There’s a bunch of options and you can never have too much D.

  65. Darth Tu says:

    Digger has really dug himself a hole on this one.

  66. Cowboy says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Where did you see it was against the teams wishes? All I have read was it was Conner having to make a decision.

    I feel very confident that any serious injury in the NHL comes with 2nd opinions unless its a clear injury like a torn acl, easy to fix easy to recover. Through my professional athletic career I have never not been offered a 2nd opinion and talked through return to sport pre surgery. In fact I told 1 dr that I was not willing to have him cut into me because he didn’t understand my sport. And I have no clout at all. Conner does

  67. Profit says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Very interesting – thanks for the link.

    Smith shows well in that model, Koskinen less so.

    Pekka Rinne was surprising – dips into the “red” in games 450 – 550ish.

    Cam Talbot shows very well until recently.

    Quick/Lunquist are both rocks in the “green”.

    Kiprusoff was horrible for the last 400 games of his career? Odd.

    That was a good way to spend 30 mins at lunch!

  68. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    ArmchairGM,

    These tools are fun to play around with, especially when comparing a ‘known’ player against a player of interest.

    For instance, Mackenze Weegar shows VERY favourably against Matt Benning (whom I like).

    Going off some of the players LT recently referenced as trade deadline targets:

    Kapanen absolutely destroys Lehkonen, so maybe his contract is full value. Foegele crushes Fast except in zone exits, where the results are inverse although I’d think a small sample size alert applies. Johansson and Kerfoot are mostly equal. Craig Smith looks interesting. Ennis shows well as a value add. AA appears as if he’d be able to bounce back to previous levels.

    Definitely not the whole picture, but an interesting tool to utilize when digging into players’ results.

  69. Bag of Pucks says:

    I always thought that Chiarelli trading for a player who had admitted to boarding McDavid was a clear indication that Petey had completely lost the plot.

    And now the player is alleged in this?

    Add good players (and people). Keep good players (and people).

    Manning appears to be neither of these things.

    Cut him loose. Culture is a thing.

  70. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks: The case against Walker was partially stat driven actually. He had battled the perception that Coors Field was a notoriously hitter friendly park that helped to jack his numbers.

    Larry also never had the good fortune to play on a champion and unfortunately that team accomplishment carries a lot of weight with voters. Jeter played in the biggest media market and is perceived as a ‘winner.’ That gets him in on the first ballot while a small market guy like Walker with no titles squeezes in on his last chance saloon imo

    Coors Field is a baseball park in MLB. Are stats there not supposed to count. What about short left field fence at Fenway?

    A player shouldn’t be penalized for his ball park. The ball park was acceptable to MLB.

    And well, the owners and players stole Larry Walker’s championship.

  71. ArmchairGM says:

    Apropos the Kassian contract talk – Zack hasn’t scored a single goal in his past 9 games (11 Oiler games), going 0-3-3 and -3 despite playing 117:13 with McDavid and just 20:43 without. His even strength goal diff is 5-7 with McDavid and 0-1 without.

    The scuttlebutt is Holland is about to give the man term and AAV just as he plays his way off McDavid’s wing. At least there’s no report (yet) about trade protection, so I guess that’s an improvement over Chiarelli.

  72. Oilin4 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH22
    PIT17
    NYI14

    Atlantic
    BOS19
    TBY14
    FLA12

    Wildcard
    CAR11
    CBJ10

    Out of playoffs
    PHI10
    TOR8
    NYR2
    BUF2
    MTL1
    OTT-6
    NJD-7
    DET-22

    -No Pacific team would make the playoffs today in the EC.

    -PHI, outside of the playoffs in the EC, would be leading the Pacific.

    -Only STL and COL would be above the wildcard line among WC teams if they were in the AC.Its funny how quickly the worm turns.

    -I don’t think I can ever bet FLA again.However I think Bob is going to play, he goes opposite-Bob.

    Relevant games today:

    WPG (+165) at CBJ (-190) – I expect Jack Adams to continue to do Jack Adams things.

    True. But the Pacific also doesn’t have Detroit, or the Hall-less Devils, or Ottawa. Alot more freebie points out east.

  73. godot10 says:

    Zack Kassian apparently can’t pick out Marc Giordano in a lineup.

    #blindboyhockey

    • Genjutsu says:

      #deadhorseflogging

      • Bag of Pucks says:

        Eakins to MacLellan to Kassian.

        Some people just need a whipping boy I guess.

        Interesting that Nurse (and the rest of the team for that matter) escape any blame for doing the exact same thing as Kassian.

  74. buck yoakam says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    there was a gig we did at the boiler lounge years ago and these two guys were in the audience (one john cleese) and his buddy kept pushing to get john up to jam some blues on the harp and I wasn’t totally sure it was cleese …the cat was “hey man thats john cleese !!” I’m ya and I’m barney rubble…never let him get up…next day in the journal they reported him being in town for something…Ha..too bad , so sad

  75. Bulging Twine says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    We are very lucky.

    Mike Parkatti has a new blog post up:http://boysonthebus.com/index.php/2020/01/22/the-unlikeliness-of-goaltending-a-new-methodology-to-assess-talent/

    He’s a treasure.

    That’s some upper level stuff there.
    Thanks for the link.
    I’m surprised at some of his findings. ie Talbot, Smith

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    deankb:
    So here is the weird stat then…The OIlers wouldn’t be a playoff team in the east based on points, but they enjoy awinning record against the east. A substantial one at that, 14-6-2…

    I think most of the teams we are competing with right now for a playoff spot have winning records against the east.

    Maybe the Pacific is just made up of stronger teams…..

  77. SwedishPoster says:

    An acquaintance of mine is a team doc for a major swedish sports team and also helps the NT. He recently did an interview with a swedish news outlet on how elite athletes medical issues often are released into the public, teams and athletes are expected to tell media when something happens which has created an unhealthy culture in sports where there’s pressure on a player to always be open about his health and also, he was critical of himself in this regard, docs and people around the athlete aren’t nearly as tightlipped as they maybe should. The athlete’s health is treated as if it’s public property.

    This is not a massive deal when it comes to sprains etc, everyone knows such injuries are part of the job for athletes, the problem with the openess is that when an athlete has an issue he or she doesn’t want to share with everyone it’s suddenly a big deal ”why won’t he tell us?” and speculation runs rampant while everyone assumes it’s a mental issue or addiction.
    Eventually the athlete almost have to go public to calm down the most outrageous theories. I haven’t really given it much thought before but it’s certainly a valid point. If everything from ingrown toe nails, to torn off limbs or breast augmentation was a ”medical issue” followed by an expected timeline there’s less room for speculation.

    Thus I have no issue with the lack of info on McDavid’s injury. I’m a bit confused from a medical perspective based on the info coming out now but that’s a different topic.

    I also kind of like how low on info the Condors are on injuries.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Agreed health matters should be between you and your doctor.

      Privacy is rapidly becoming an illusion anyways however.

  78. dustrock says:

    Profit:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Very interesting – thanks for the link.

    Smith shows well in that model, Koskinen less so.

    Pekka Rinne was surprising – dips into the “red” in games 450 – 550ish.

    Cam Talbot shows very well until recently.

    Quick/Lunquist are both rocks in the “green”.

    Kiprusoff was horrible for the last 400 games of his career? Odd.

    That was a good way to spend 30 mins at lunch!

    And, as I mentioned, Rask has been one of the best goaltenders of the last decade and gets no credit for it. Particularly from Boston fans.

  79. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: Coors Field is a baseball park in MLB.Are stats there not supposed to count.What about short left field fence at Fenway?

    A player shouldn’t be penalized for his ball park.The ball park was acceptable to MLB.

    And well, the owners and players stole Larry Walker’s championship.

    I’m not justifying the bias. That’s why I described it as a ‘perception.’

    Just providing wolfpack with additional context on the election hurdles that Walker had to overcome.

  80. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Oilers Memory of the Day:

    https://youtu.be/iC78S9bw3VI?t=110

    1:53 mark, I believe Phaneuf & Regehr both trip on separate pieces of Pronger’s broken stick from earlier in the play.

    Samsonov feeds the through pass to Horc to win in OT

    https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/200603160EDM.html

    Nearly 14 years..

  81. Bulging Twine says:

    Like Father, like son:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXlBYOXUoq0&feature=youtu.be

    Dirty hockey family
    Turtling

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    Durag:
    A big takeaway from this McDavid story for me is that I want something absolutely heinous inflicted on Giordano in the next game. It’s not smart or rational, but there it is.

    I want the Oilers to focus on winning the damn hockey game on the 29th.

    Play hard hockey and, yes, get bangs in at every opportunity, but don’t go out of the way to target Tkachuk, Gio or any other player – leaving yourself out of position or taking undisciplined penalties.

    Twice now Tkachuk was able to get the desired result from Kassian – goating him, essentially, in to multiple PIMs that materially helped turn the game in the flames favor.

    The two points are important.

    If there needs to be a stated fight or something similar at the beginning, get er’ done and get to hockey and the two points.

  83. Reja says:

    godot10: Coors Field is a baseball park in MLB.Are stats there not supposed to count.What about short left field fence at Fenway?

    A player shouldn’t be penalized for his ball park.The ball park was acceptable to MLB.

    And well, the owners and players stole Larry Walker’s championship.

    I’m happy Walker made it but does he get in without players getting shunned Bonds, Clemens etc over the steroid scandal. Nobody can deny Larry’s talent but it’s his longevity ( numbers) I believe he recieved a bounce-cat from several writers on the fence because of this.

  84. Soup Fascist says:

    digger50:
    I have seen at least 15 articles covering what a bad person Brandon Manning is. Although he answered the Bell for his teammates when Ontario Thew thier goon squad out with one minute left,his choice of words can’t be defended. Okay

    I often hear topics on this blog about racism, bullying, respect.

    Then this morning 1260 launches thier Matt Thachuk song. I was offended that our city sports radio would launch such an attack on a young athlete, hate him or not. How is that acceptable?? It doesn’t cross lines because it avoids a particular word?

    I’d much rather have Brandon Manning on my team than Dusty Nielson.

    I agree. Dusty’s song was extremely prejudicial. He owes a huge apology to actual turtles everywhere.

  85. Soup Fascist says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH22
    PIT17
    NYI14

    Atlantic
    BOS19
    TBY14
    FLA12

    Wildcard
    CAR11
    CBJ10

    Out of playoffs
    PHI10
    TOR8
    NYR2
    BUF2
    MTL1
    OTT-6
    NJD-7
    DET-22

    -No Pacific team would make the playoffs today in the EC.

    -PHI, outside of the playoffs in the EC, would be leading the Pacific.

    -Only STL and COL would be above the wildcard line among WC teams if they were in the AC.Its funny how quickly the worm turns.

    -I don’t think I can ever bet FLA again.However I think Bob is going to play, he goes opposite-Bob.

    Relevant games today:

    WPG (+165) at CBJ (-190) – I expect Jack Adams to continue to do Jack Adams things.

    Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary are owning the East. They are a combined 38-21-5. Not bad for a bunch of 57 point teams.

  86. Bulging Twine says:

    The Athletic NHL Players poll
    No surprise the dirtiest player in the West according to players:
    Matthew Tkachuk

  87. hunter1909 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    The Athletic NHL Players poll
    No surprise the dirtiest player in the West according to players:
    Matthew Tkachuk

    In the good old days Glenn Anderson or Mark Messier would have won that hands down.

    While scoring at twice the rate.

  88. hunter1909 says:

    buck yoakam: never let him get up…next day in the journal they reported him being in town for something…Ha..too bad , so sad

    You did the right thing.

  89. JOFA says:

    FREE GRITTY!

  90. hunter1909 says:

    With Oilers virtually out of the NHL for the past week am looking forward to watching as much as I can stand of the Tort’s coached Blue Jackets vs the underachieving Winnipeg Jets

    With Toronto now falling apart lol, and other teams like Winnipeg both who were supposed to be dominating the NHL according to consensus from 1-2 seasons back.

    It appears the rest of the NHL seems to end up with a similar cap problem Oilers did under Chiarelli. A team starts getting better and soon no longer can afford the players that gave it success. Is this true?

  91. Lowetide says:

    hunter1909:
    With Oilers virtually out of the NHL for the past week am looking forward to watching as much of the Tort’s coached Blue Jackets vs the underachieving Winnipeg Jets

    With Toronto now falling apart lol, and other teams like Winnipeg both who were supposed to be dominating the NHL according to consensus from 1-2 seasons back. it appears the rest of the NHL seems to end up with the exact same cap problem Oilers did under Chiarelli.

    The answer is procurement and development. Branch Rickey would have been an excellent general manager.

  92. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Lowetide: The answer is procurement and development. Branch Rickey would have been an excellent general manager.

    I thought the answer was “balance” 🙂
    Both teams are seriously lacking in Defensemen.
    Maybe first balance and then procure and develop to keep the balance…

  93. Lowetide says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: I thought the answer was “balance” 🙂
    Both teams are seriously lacking in Defensemen.
    Maybe first balance and then procure and develop to keep the balance…

    I’d suggest procure and develop precedes balance.

  94. Material Elvis says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Apropos the Kassian contract talk – Zack hasn’t scored a single goal in his past 9 games (11 Oiler games), going 0-3-3 and -3 despite playing 117:13 with McDavid and just 20:43 without. His even strength goal diff is 5-7 with McDavid and 0-1 without.

    The scuttlebutt is Holland is about to give the man term and AAV just as he plays his way off McDavid’s wing. At least there’s no report (yet) about trade protection, so I guess that’s an improvement over Chiarelli.

    This contract speculation is aggravating. He better not give him a four year deal or I’ll be irate. Even a three year contract is pushing it, imo. And these rumored AAV’s are absurd. $3M/year would be generous; $4M/year would make the contract untradeable. Hopefully Holland is smarter than that. We’ll see…..

  95. duct tape and foil says:

    Russell is going to be moved somehow between now and the next training camp. Benning probably gets traded this summer since he will have to be resigned for $2 million +. That’s too much for 3rd pair when you have young guys like Jones, Laggeson and Bouch ready for that job.

    So that takes us down to 8 with Laggeson and Persson fighting for the #7 slot. No guarantee that Persson sticks around, but you need lots of dmen over the course of a season, and I’d sign both guys to small one way deals that can be completely buried in the minors as the #8 dman. Think about it this way:

    Top 4 Dmen
    Klef Larsson
    Nurse Bear

    Bottom 4 Dmen
    Jones Bouch
    Laggesson Persson

    High Potential Developing Dmen
    Sammy
    Broberg

    Addition through subtraction. Move Russell and Benning and we are balanced and pretty much set

    ArmchairGM: Any time you trade a prospect or not-fully-developed player for another you risk looking a bit silly, no question. But the thing to understand is that the Oilers will lose probably 2 or 3 of these young defensemen for nothing next year if they hold on to them, as they are no longer waiver exempt. Rosterconsideration next year:

    LHD

    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Russell
    Jones
    Lagesson

    RHD

    Bear
    Larsson
    Bouchard
    Benning
    Persson

    That’s 10 players vying for 7 spots. Unless Bouchard starts in Bakersfield (I suspect he’ll force his way onto the roster in training camp) Holland faces losing 3 players to waiver claims in the weeks before the season opens. The only way to avert this is to move some of these guys in the summer for young NHL-ready forwards.

    I imagine he’ll try to move Russell, especially due to cap restraints, but apart from that I could see Benning, Lagesson and Persson not returning next fall. They might be able to slip Persson through waivers depending on what happens during the remainder of this season.

    I’d rather trade these players for something – anything – than lose them on waivers. Not that I’m advocating trading them at a loss, but they have to be moved and the market might not bear what we think it should, and I think we should be prepared for that eventuality.

  96. dustrock says:

    Lowetide: The answer is procurement and development. Branch Rickey would have been an excellent general manager.

    I had wondered if Winnipeg might take a long look at Gallant.

  97. Lowetide says:

    dustrock: I had wondered if Winnipeg might take a long look at Gallant.

    Man, that’s a fascinating idea.

  98. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Lowetide: Man, that’s a fascinating idea.

    The guy who should lose his job in WPG is Chevy.

    I feel for him being in limbo with Byfuglien though. That’s a monkey wrench thrown in the motor.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Or neither.

      This soon to be a 50/50 playoff league.

      By my math that means you should expect to miss every other year.

      • Woodguy v2.0 says:

        Given the number of bad/rebuilding teams that doesn’t mean a team can alternate between missing and making it.

        Only 3-4 teams of the 16 that make the playoffs in a year didn’t make it the year before iirc.

        • Genjutsu says:

          Agreed, however the Buff situation tied his hands. I think it came as bit of suprise so I’d give him a pass for this year.

          If he should fail to make the playoffs next year then I’d give him the axe.

  99. ArmchairGM says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Russell is going to be moved somehow between now and the next training camp. Benning probably gets traded this summer since he will have to be resigned for $2 million +. That’s too much for 3rd pair when you have young guys like Jones, Laggeson and Bouch ready for that job.

    So that takes us down to 8 with Laggeson and Persson fighting for the #7 slot. No guarantee that Persson sticks around, but you need lots of dmen over the course of a season, and I’d sign both guys to small one way deals that can be completely buried in the minors as the #8 dman. Think about it this way:

    Top 4 Dmen
    KlefLarsson
    NurseBear

    Bottom 4 Dmen
    Jones Bouch
    Laggesson Persson

    High Potential Developing Dmen
    Sammy
    Broberg

    Addition through subtraction. Move Russell and Benning and we are balanced and pretty much set

    I like it, would do exactly that. I’m just unsure Lagesson / Persson would get through waivers, but if not I suppose its not a great loss.

  100. Dicky94 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Best thing the Oilers could do is completely ignore Tkachuk. I think he is going to be trying so hard to redeem himself that it might effect his game. Just skate away. Wait for the right time to respond.

  101. Lowetide says:

    Dicky94:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Best thing the Oilers could do is completely ignore Tkachuk. I think he is going to betrying so hard to redeem himself that it might effect his game. Just skate away. Wait for the right time to respond.

    If Kassian can learn to resist the damned bait, Edmonton wins no matter the final score. God. It’s like Jim Dorey and Behn Wilson all over again.

    • Darth Tu says:

      If the response is to beat the snot out of Tkachuk, the correct time to respond is on April the 4th. Even then that’s only if the Oilers are already definitely in the playoffs and aren’t going to end up dropping a position or something that would give them a harder matchup in said playoffs.

      That said, the 4th of April game is in Calgary so it would no doubt spark a riot, so probably still not a perfect time to respond.

  102. OilClog says:

    Kassian at 4 million or 4 years is not wise or desirable but it’s still tradeable unless it comes with a no trade kicker.

    There’s always a team out there ready to add on your Eberle tree and trade you a spooner for a strome so spooner can turn into a Gagner. Shit is crazy out there

    Hopefully Kassian takes Turtles head and bashes Gio’s knees out with it. 2 fucks 1 beating. Lucic will be too busy on the bench bleaching his roots and snorting monster energy drinks with Rinaldo to involve himself.

  103. godot10 says:

    Dicky94:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Best thing the Oilers could do is completely ignore Tkachuk. I think he is going to betrying so hard to redeem himself that it might effect his game. Just skate away. Wait for the right time to respond.

    Tkachuk has Kassian, the Oilers media, and the Oilers mob on tilt. Tippett is going to have a challenge on his hand keeping control of his own team.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    I realize there are some good veterans down in Bakersfield but McLeod getting 4th line minutes?!Not cool.

    He’s fluctuated all over the lineup.

    These days, he’s essentially a 2nd line winger with Cave and Esposito.

    He did get one game up at 1C between Benson and Currie when Marody was out – didn’t have a great offensive game that night though.

    He is getting plenty of PK time – and with the Condors being the most undisciplined team I’ve ever watch consistently….

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Any time you trade a prospect or not-fully-developed player for another you risk looking a bit silly, no question. But the thing to understand is that the Oilers will lose probably 2 or 3 of these young defensemen for nothing next year if they hold on to them, as they are no longer waiver exempt. Rosterconsideration next year:

    LHD

    Klefbom
    Nurse
    Russell
    Jones
    Lagesson

    RHD

    Bear
    Larsson
    Bouchard
    Benning
    Persson

    That’s 10 players vying for 7 spots. Unless Bouchard starts in Bakersfield (I suspect he’ll force his way onto the roster in training camp) Holland faces losing 3 players to waiver claims in the weeks before the season opens. The only way to avert this is to move some of these guys in the summer for young NHL-ready forwards.

    I imagine he’ll try to move Russell, especially due to cap restraints, but apart from that I could see Benning, Lagesson and Persson not returning next fall. They might be able to slip Persson through waivers depending on what happens during the remainder of this season.

    I’d rather trade these players for something – anything – than lose them on waivers. Not that I’m advocating trading them at a loss, but they have to be moved and the market might not bear what we think it should, and I think we should be prepared for that eventuality.

    I agree with you the Bouchard will be on the opening night roster.

    My thoughts on the d-men is predicated on Russell not being in the organization (and, if that is incorrect, then one of Larsson or Benning not being in the org).

    I agree with you on the waiver issue and it being a factor but where I generally disagree is how much of a risk it really is.

    Just because Lagesson and/or Persson are exposed to waivers does not mean they get claimed – lets not forget all the skilled players and players of interest that clear in the days leading up to this season.

    For example, i love me some Willie Lagesson and think he’s all but an every day 3LD but, if he doesn’t get more games to show that this year, is he really going to get claimed in Sept? Most teams have a WIllie Lagesson, don’t they?

    Is Joel Persson going to be subject to waivers? He’ll hit the 2 years of service but not the 60 NHL games played – is it an either or an or?

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Read a few calls on here, and lots on various platforms, to “cut Manning loose” or release him or something along those lines.

    Of course, that very well might not be possible. He has a contract signed within the constraints of the CBA and a team cannot just release a player or cut him loose. If they could then cap issues would no longer be a thing.

    Yes, there are very likely certain “breach of contract” provisions (I use the phrase broadly) that may allow a team to unilaterally terminate the contract but we have no idea if what he said constitutes such “a breach”.

    Further, we don’t even know what he said – Rishaug reported that is was not “the word” that most would think of.

  107. OilClog says:

    Kassian didn’t lose the Oilers the game.

    The Oilers were out hit, out shot, out saved, didn’t draw a powerplay until the last 10 minutes in the game.

    The refs did their usual non consistent shtick trying to be the author instead of the integrity keepers.

    This Oilers squad is in tough if the special teams aren’t dominate, they weren’t the dominate team before or after Turtlegate, Kassian is one of 35 keys on the bench.

    Larson was absolutely horrendous the entire game, poor NurseBear was leaned on more heavily then you’d like. Did Haas crack 6mins? Chiasson brought absolutely nothing and was out worked by his counterparts.

    If Larsson wasn’t running at about 40% causing the trickle down effect and if there wasn’t 3 forwards in the bottom 6 checked out for the game maybe blaming Kassian would have some weight to it for me. They weren’t the better team, they lost because of it, Kassian has a shoe in the blame but only a shoe n there’s at least a dozen in the pot from my view.

    Gags/Haas/Chiasson is a handicap when playing the Flames.

  108. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I agree with you the Bouchard will be on the opening night roster.

    My thoughts on the d-men is predicated on Russell not being in the organization (and, if that is incorrect, then one of Larsson or Benning not being in the org).

    I agree with you on the waiver issue and it being a factor but where I generally disagree is how much of a risk it really is.

    Just because Lagesson and/or Persson are exposed to waivers does not mean they get claimed – lets not forget all the skilled players and players of interest that clear in the days leading up to this season.

    For example, i love me some Willie Lagesson and think he’s all but an every day 3LD but, if he doesn’t get more games to show that this year, is he really going to get claimed in Sept? Most teams have a WIllie Lagesson, don’t they?

    Is Joel Persson going to be subject to waivers?He’ll hit the 2 years of service but not the 60 NHL games played – is it an either or an or?

    Agree with this.

    After training camp, virtually every team is trying to send waiver eligible players to the minors most of which they have drafted and are developing.

    It would take an outstanding player for his team to worry much about losing a prime prospect to waivers.

  109. OilClog says:

    https://www.nhl.com/kings/news/boko-imamas-statement-regarding-racial-slur-directed-at-him-during-game/c-314228242

    Don’t need to know the exact verbal to know that there’s not much reason in keeping him around. Most people have experienced at least once in their life of losing an opportunity because for some reason or another you were a dumbass. This is Mannings dumbass opportunity loss moment.

  110. duct tape and foil says:

    Persson is already 25 so there is no games played clause. I think he’s waiver eligible next year. I like Willie as well. Happy to let those two guys and Bouch fight for the 6, 7, 8 slots.

    You can never have too many NHL ready dmen and that’s why I give both guys one way deals at or below the point where the salary is fully buried in the AHL. It makes it a little less likely they are plucked on waivers than a 2 way contract. If one is lost then so be it.

    Seems like we are pretty much set on defense for several years though. Please draft forwards 🙂

    OriginalPouzar: I agree with you the Bouchard will be on the opening night roster.

    My thoughts on the d-men is predicated on Russell not being in the organization (and, if that is incorrect, then one of Larsson or Benning not being in the org).

    I agree with you on the waiver issue and it being a factor but where I generally disagree is how much of a risk it really is.

    Just because Lagesson and/or Persson are exposed to waivers does not mean they get claimed – lets not forget all the skilled players and players of interest that clear in the days leading up to this season.

    For example, i love me some Willie Lagesson and think he’s all but an every day 3LD but, if he doesn’t get more games to show that this year, is he really going to get claimed in Sept? Most teams have a WIllie Lagesson, don’t they?

    Is Joel Persson going to be subject to waivers?He’ll hit the 2 years of service but not the 60 NHL games played – is it an either or an or?

  111. leadfarmer says:

    SwedishPoster:
    An acquaintance of mine is a team doc for a major swedish sports team and also helps the NT. He recently did an interview with a swedish news outlet on how elite athletes medical issues often are released into the public, teams and athletes are expected to tell media when something happens which has created an unhealthy culture in sports where there’s pressure on a player to always be open about his health and also, he was critical of himself in this regard, docs and people around the athlete aren’t nearly as tightlipped as they maybe should. The athlete’s health is treated as if it’s public property.

    This is not a massive deal when it comes to sprains etc, everyone knows such injuries are part of the job for athletes, the problem with the openess is that when an athlete has an issue he or she doesn’t want to share with everyone it’s suddenly a big deal ”why won’t he tell us?” and speculation runs rampant while everyone assumes it’s a mental issue or addiction.
    Eventually the athlete almost have to go public to calm down the most outrageous theories. I haven’t really given it much thought before but it’s certainly a valid point. If everything from ingrown toe nails, to torn off limbs or breast augmentation was a ”medical issue” followed by an expected timeline there’s less room for speculation.

    Thus I have no issue with the lack of info on McDavid’s injury. I’m a bit confused from a medical perspective based on the info coming out now but that’s a different topic.

    I also kind of like how low on info the Condors are on injuries.

    This will get a lot worse with sports betting

  112. duct tape and foil says:

    The Oilers have won already as long as they don’t allow Tkchuk to play the victim. His reputation across the league is in tatters and the only positive press he’s gotten is in CGY. He’s under a microscope this game (season?) and his usual game of baiting, cheapshots, and intent to injure is done.

    If he wants to fight, don’t let him do it at the first faceoff. Don’t let him his pick a scrap with somebody smaller or a non-fighter. Make him chase Kass around trying to regain his manhood and take a few penalties first. Wait until the 3rd period and if the game is out of reach either way.

    All that said, if I see him in the same spots he hit Kass, I level him. The league has given the all-clear on any and all Torres hits on this player and there is no way to walk that decision back.

    That video of his dad cheap-shotting Shanahan in the face with his stick and then turtling shows how close the rotten apple fell from the diseased tree.

    Lowetide: If Kassian can learn to resist the damned bait, Edmonton wins no matter the final score. God. It’s like Jim Dorey and Behn Wilson all over again.

  113. dessert1111 says:

    Friedman reporting that Oilers are thinking about extending Archibald, Sheahan and Nygard, and that other teams are interested in Archibald too.

    Are we a bit surprised that Haas isn’t included in this list? I wonder if it means anything.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Probably means nothing other than the fact they’re going to deal with Kass, Archibald etc first. Haas – I like things about his game – is more of a wait until the summer to offer him a deal. He’s decent and appears to be coming on, but is definitely a depth option.

      Then for D you’ve got Bear/Nurse etc to iron out cash for. Assuming that Smith is done after this year and that none of the AHL goalies are ready to go, another 1a/1b goalie has to be in the plan as well. Haas is lower priority than all of these things. Or at least that’s how I read it.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dicky94:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Best thing the Oilers could do is completely ignore Tkachuk. I think he is going to betrying so hard to redeem himself that it might effect his game. Just skate away. Wait for the right time to respond.

    I agree with the first point (well, except for the fact that he’s a plus offensive player and they need to include him in their schemes). Get bangs in when you can but he should be treated no different that JT Miller, Landeskog, Larkin or any other plus opponent

    I don’t believe that Tkachuk feels any need to “redeem himself” – I don’t think he’s embarrassed or anything via the coverage and most non NHL DPS people siding with Kassian.

    Tkachuk accomplished exactly what he set out to do – he elicited a response from Zack that led to multiple penalties and helped turn the game in the flames favor. This is the second time he’d done exactly that. I’m sure he’s looking forward to doing it again. If the Oilers put themselves shorthanded in the name of, well, anything to do with Tkachuk or last game, Tkachuk wins again (lets just hope that doesn’t cost the Oilers 2 more points).

    • pts2pndr says:

      You could argue had the refs called the first head shot and given 5 and a game the outcome would have been different. Interesting times ahead for the NHL.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Persson is already 25 so there is no games played clause. I think he’s waiver eligible next year. I like Willie as well. Happy to let those two guys and Bouch fight for the 6, 7, 8 slots.

    You can never have too many NHL ready dmen and that’s why I give both guysone way deals at or below the point where the salary is fully buried in the AHL. It makes it a little less likely they are plucked on waivers than a 2 way contract. If one is lost then so be it.

    Seems like we are pretty much set on defense for several years though. Please draft forwards

    He’s 25 but he signed his ELC at 24 so there is a games played portion to the calculation – 2 years of service / 60 NHL games – I’m just not certain if its an “and” or and “or”.

  116. Bag of Pucks says:

    If the Oilers can’t terminate the contract for a player suspended for making a racist remark, in this era of virtue signaling, then they truly are incompetent.

    Aziz Ansari became a temporary pariah for going on a bad date ffs

    • Darth Tu says:

      Like I said yesterday, imagine the knots that the NHLPA would tie themselves into if the Oilers did terminate the contract. Usually they back players to the hilt in these cases, but what signal does that send out when a contract is being terminated due to racism? Is there some sort of procedure for rehab already in place? Maybe he has to go through some sort of program – I don’t think he has previous for this kind of behavior, should that even factor in?

  117. Dicky94 says:

    dessert1111,

    I was wondering that too. I’d like to see Haas one more year under Tippett.

  118. Bulging Twine says:

    Tyler Wright was promoted from Development Coach to Director of Amateur Scouting with the Columbus Blue Jackets under Scott Howson for the 2011-12 season. He was in that role for them for that season and 2012-13 and then moved to Detroit and had the same role with them for the 13-14 season through last season.

    Draft picks for Columbus:

    11-12
    Round 1 pick 2: Ryan Murray
    2-31: G Oscar Dansk
    3-62: G Joonas Korpisalo
    4-95: Josh Anderson
    6-152: R Daniel Zaar
    7-182: D Gianluca Curcuruto

    Murray has been somewhat derailed by injuries which we’ve seen are a huge roadblock to development.
    A hit in round 3 and a major hit in round 4

    12-13:
    1-14: Alexander Wennberg
    1-19: Kerby Rychel
    1-27: Mark Dano
    2-50: Dillon Heatherington
    3-89: Oliver Bjorkstrand
    4-105: Nick Moutrey
    6-165: Markus Soberg
    7-195: Peter Quennville

    Underwhelming first round. I’m sure they had high hopes for that round with 3 picks. In fairness there is quite a bit of meh in the last half of that first round: ie Lazar, Mueller, Poirer. Also a couple of hits.

    A good player in round 3 in Bjorkstrand who was killer in the playoffs for Portland

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Great post.

      I do think you are underrating Wennberg (career 0.5 p/g, higher totals than A. Mantha and Burakovski, although they could have has either instead of Rychel) and Korpisalo who looks to become a legit starter.

      • Bulging Twine says:

        True enough

        A starting Goalie in the 3rd is good stuff

        Wennberg seems to have fallen off the pace the last couple years. Maybe he isn’t Torts’s type.

  119. defmn says:

    duct tape and foil:

    Seems like we are pretty much set on defense for several years though. Please draft forwards

    Seems to me this team isn’t too many years from being laughed at because all it had were wingers. 😉

    I understand the sentiment but I still think you draft talent & trade for balance.

  120. defmn says:

    pts2pndr:
    I agree but it seems to work much better in theory than in practice.

    Because we draft so badly? 😉

    • Numenius says:

      Management incompetence would be one reason!

      But I think the Hall for Larsson trade suggests another reason:

      The problem is that when you’re in dire need for talent at a position, there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to find a fair trade for that position.

      So better to draft so as not to let yourself get too thin at any position, even if the player is not precisely bpa (but as long as he’s close).

  121. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If the Oilers can’t terminate the contract for a player suspended for making a racist remark, in this era of virtue signaling, then they truly are incompetent.

    Aziz Ansari became a temporary pariah for going on a bad date ffs

    Since you know all the facts from the two players in question please enlighten me.

  122. Bag of Pucks says:

    Darth Tu,

    Did Bill Peters have any priors?

  123. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Giordano and Tkachuk have a history both of seriously injuring their colleagues.

    I remain disgusted that the league allows players like this to run with impunity. Giordano should be at the 25 game plays suspension level, like the other dangerous players they squeezed out. Tkachuk really is there as well.

    I think Connor took the extra burden of making the doc as a service to his colleagues, and the fans, to create enough attention around the awfulness of serious sports injuries that there will be no rug sweeping.

    Another sign of what a great person he chooses to be. And of how lucky we are.

    I hope the team ignores the attention seeking of Tkachuk and will only engage him when they feel like it. The worst outcome for him IMO, don’t let him dictate anything. A narcissist’s worst dream.

    Same for Giordano. No more room for pretending to be a good guy, ‘I called Connor’. How ‘bout don’t do that in the last game of the year that was also meaningless?

  124. New Improved Darkness says:

    No mention yet of Silken Laumann. Am I the only person who recalls her formal statement after the injury that she was withdrawing from the Canadian rowing team?

    Silken Laumann’s inspiring comeback from a gruesome leg injury — 2012

    It didn’t take long for her focus to shift, though. Although her injury was described as if “a chisel had gone from the knee inward” and some doctors initially thought she might never row again, much less compete in Barcelona in a few months, Laumann didn’t give up. While being transferred to a trauma centre by ambulance just a few hours after the accident, she told her then-boyfriend (later her husband) John Wallace, “I don’t want to miss the Olympics.”

    As I recall, the German medical specialists were flabbergasted by her tissue recovery rate. Seriously elite oxygen flow will do that. It’s a long time ago now, but I recall reading that wounds were closing up in half the normal time for a healthy young person.

    At first she trained in total secrecy. I’m sure someone high up in the Canadian Rowing Association knew about her real plan. But most thought she had formally withdrawn. Perhaps my recollection of this is enhanced by driving past the Canadian Olympic training facility on a regular basis for most of my adult life (which, as it happens, they are abandoning next year).

    Still, it looked like that would all come crashing down when the German men’s pair boat of Colin von Ettinghausen and Peter Hoeltzenbein collided with her shell during a training session in Essen on May 15, lodging 200 pieces of wood in her leg and tearing part of her muscles away from her bones. As Laumann said afterwards, her initial thoughts weren’t about if she could compete again, but rather if she’d even be able to keep her leg.

    Determination. It’s a thing.

    Making that final alone would have been an incredible accomplishment for Laumann, who was still hobbling around with a cane during the Games, but that wasn’t enough for her. She still wasn’t back to her peak rowing form and was sitting fourth with just 250 metres left, but somehow managed to find extra strength and boosted her stroke rate from 38 to 40 per minute over the last 100 metres, catching American Anne Marden (the 1988 silver medalist in the single scull) just before the finish and earning a trip to the podium.

    As I once heard it told in her own words as she sized up her position with 250 m remaining: “I did not go through these surgeries and this rehab to finish off the podium.”

    And so she dug. And then she dug some more. And then she dug some more. Until she reached a place where pain is a world view, and there’s no point resisting, because no other thing even exists.

    I sure wouldn’t want to be sitting across from Connor in the dressing room in the final week of the season after leaving less than 110% out on the ice against a divisional rival with a probable Thunderdome line in the sand.

    Stories of trauma and healing on website began with Silken Laumann’s own history — 21 April 2019

    It took Olympic rower Silken Laumann years to work up the courage to publicly share her struggle with depression, chronicled in her book, Unsinkable. Once she did, she saw the impact it had on others dealing with mental health issues and realized the power of a single story in breaking the stigma around a previously taboo topic.

    Her family life was sometimes fraught.

    Laumann recently checked in with her son after he witnessed the death of a man who threw himself in front of a car on the Pat Bay Highway on 7 April 2019. Her son was driving [a car?] [in the same lane?] [immediately?] behind the car that struck the man, [who is] believed to be suffering fromhave been experiencing a mental-health crisis.

    Thank you, Times Colonist. What does “checked in” actually mean here? Hadn’t spoken for five years? Finally confessed her own difficulties? It could mean anything. And then that next sentence. Kill me now. Well, maybe it’s not that bad, but it does remind me of the person on your dorm-floor—as of recently, now a teenager in mind only—where you have to snap “What?” after every third sentence, because the narrative is so thoroughly corroded and oblique.

    “And that guy was the boyfriend of ????”

    “Oh!—he was the boyfriend of the roommate of the girl who thought she forgot to tell you about the party, but hadn’t really. Pray do continue.”

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    dessert1111:
    Friedman reporting that Oilers are thinking about extending Archibald, Sheahan and Nygard, and that other teams are interested in Archibald too.

    Are we a bit surprised that Haas isn’t included in this list? I wonder if it means anything.

    Signing the keepers or having a discussion going would be necessary to knowing what can happen at the deadline.

    The play that they aren’t convinced about then would be a summer decision. Given the tight cap, not knowing if Russell can be moved (which Holland tried last summer) etc.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lavoie with 2 goals and 8 shots on net not even half way through the 2nd – I think he had 7 shots on net in the first.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    DET up 2-1 on MIN nearing the end of the 1st.

    WIN tied up at 2 with CBJ half way through the 2nd.

  128. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Catching a bit of Jets v J Adams

    Scheifele takes an obvious dive, Jets score.

    Even up penalty.

    Honestly, why not just invest in proper reffing, oversight, and become credible? To everyone’s benefit.

  129. digger50 says:

    Wilde: Players are public figures; not at all analogous. Everything you can think of as a comparison for how we treat public figures (actors, entertainers, politicians, etc) would fail this test. Making fun of a celebrity in public is allowed.

    That’s without even TOUCHING the fact that the content of the insult (!!!!!!) is worlds apart. Worlds ?

    Says who? You? How do you measure this impact of an insult or the damage of the insult? It’s all about respect regardless of race. Something preached here at length. So long as it suits.

  130. who says:

    Wolfpack:
    We all know that baseball is the most stats-driven of the major sports – in baseball it is all about the numbers. Someone on twitter the other day posted all the key numbers (lifetime batting average, OBS, SLG, gold gloves, etc.) for Larry Walker next to Jeter’s numbers. They were really close, and in a lot of cases Walker had better career numbers than Jeter (all the areas listed above). Took Larry Walker until his final year of eligibility to barely squeak in, and Jeter got in on year one with all but one vote.

    I’m not sure I know enough about this to analyze it properly but I am guessing that when it comes to Cooperstown it matters a LOT where a player plays.

    If you are just comparing offensive numbers it really matters what position you play.
    Jeter was a shortstop. Shortstop and catcher are the key defensive positions in baseball.
    Walker was a right fielder. He was a damm good one, but still a corner outfielder.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner starting tonight – kind of stolen the starter’s job on merit for now.

  132. godot10 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Catching a bit of Jets v J Adams

    Scheifele takes an obvious dive, Jets score.

    Even up penalty.

    Honestly, why not just invest in proper reffing, oversight, and become credible? To everyone’s benefit.

    Most of the same people who believe in the code also believe in even-up officiating and not calling every play by the rulebook

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      The code is a response to that brand of officiating, not the other way around.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    dessert1111:
    Friedman reporting that Oilers are thinking about extending Archibald, Sheahan and Nygard, and that other teams are interested in Archibald too.

    Are we a bit surprised that Haas isn’t included in this list? I wonder if it means anything.

    I posted about this a bit earlier. Ya, I’m sure teams are interested in ARchie, as they should be.

    If they are talking about interested in signing him, well, he’s under contract and expressing the same, even to the media, would not be within the rules – tampering.

  134. rickithebear says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    We know their are 2 independent human machine action Types.

    1. Corsi to outcome:
    – The mechanism of goal scoring.
    -100% goal outcome mechanism.
    – A high 3D tracking mechanism.
    -A puck path Type. With multiple outcomes.
    – the third dimension is critical to differentiating to 2 types of Corsi.
    Closed Corsi
    Open Corsi
    – open corsi the only scoreable data can be differentiated into Save, Goal.
    -The only existing simple Stat that captures the exclusion of closed Corsi and Captures the Open shot affect from Dmen and Goalies is Corsi to evga/60

    2. What I call Corsi to Corsi:
    – The mechanism of transition to achieve the ability to apply the mechanism of scoring.
    – 0% of the goal scoring mechanism.
    – A high% 2D tracking mechanism.
    – A vast % of Corsi are Forward & Rover driven.
    – Dmen can only pass to forward or rovers.
    Once the dman abandons def of Homeplate to skate up puck thru NZ they are no longer Dmen they become Rovers.
    -A Puck pocession Type. A repocession to Corsi mechanism that could have multiple pocession (phase) changes before next Corsi.

    Anyone who tries to tell me that you do not need to provide 100% of Corsi 3D paths Data is brutal science.
    Let’s exclude more than 50% of dmans goal against affect and comment on Dmen and goalies.

    Corsi can be
    1.Blocked ( non – scoreable)
    2. Missed ( non – scoreable)
    3. Tipped (redirected becoming new Corsi)
    A.Opp Corsi
    B. own Corsi
    4. Closed shot ( non – scoreable)
    5. Open Shot ( scoreable)
    A. Saved
    B. Goal

    We know that recent modern era history 7 of 8 final 4 team have been top def teams.

    We know that the first building of a team using 100% of players available in xpansion draft, that fit my championship core roster theory, resulted in a championship.

    As for trading Russell.
    See the list of only data that captures 100% of Corsi 3D path mechanism for Dpairs.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Esposito/Cave/Maksimov together to start – bit of a push for Maksi – that’s the 2nd line.

    Benning paired with Lagesson.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr:
    You could argue had the refs called the first head shot and given 5 and a game the outcome would have been different. Interesting times ahead for the NHL.

    Sure, but that didn’t happen and Kassian went off and it led to a big opportunity for the flames, which they took advantage of and won the game. The second time Tkachuk got Kass to do this (the first time it turned the game around completely from “all Oilers” to “all flames” and a flames win.

    The refs may blow more calls on the 29th, I hope that doesn’t lead to the Oilers taking matters in to their own hands again and putting the team at a disadvantage as far as the 2 points goes.

  137. Bulging Twine says:

    OriginalPouzar: I posted about this a bit earlier.Ya, I’m sure teams are interested in ARchie, as they should be.

    If they are talking about interested in signing him, well, he’s under contract and expressing the same, even to the media, would not be within the rules – tampering.

    ya what kind of bs is that

  138. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Would it be trite to suggest the bias is coming from a place where most officials are former players who washed out at some level? Sharing the ice with the best of the best isn’t enough, so they seek to have an impact through game management.

    Though I do agree with Brian Burke in that if you think NHL reffing is bad, have a look in Europe, and dare I say Russia.

  139. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    If the Oilers can’t terminate the contract for a player suspended for making a racist remark, in this era of virtue signaling, then they truly are incompetent.

    Aziz Ansari became a temporary pariah for going on a bad date ffs

    This is true, of course, if one decides to ignore the legality of contract and the CBA and the non-publically available practice notes, ancillary documents, which are issued in connection therewith and form part of.

    Perhaps they can terminate. Perhaps they cannot with the parameters.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig with a very nice goal.

    Takes a centering pass from Malone that was a bit behind him, kicked it up with his skate to his stick to go in all alone and bury it.

    Bouch with the second apple on a wonderful transition pass. Right on the stick of Malone in stride.

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Darth Tu,

    Did Bill Peters have any priors?

    Bill Peters was not subject to a CBA and unionization.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner has made a couple plus plus saves so far.

  143. rickithebear says:

    51gm into season: 31team x 8 Dpair = 248 pairs (93 EVTOI)
    Evga/60: league median (#124) 2.55
    No. 1 Russell – Benning 23gm, 162:36, 0.37 evga/60
    No. 17 Klefbom – Bear 49gm, 105:31, 1.14 evga/60
    No. 32 Klefbom – Russell 48gm, 159:43, 1.50 evga/60
    No. 63 Russell – Larsson 26gm, 94:03, 1.91 evga/60
    No. 75 Russell – Jones 23gm, 172:04, 2.09 evga/60
    ———————————————————————- below 2.55 is negative goal diff/60
    No. 143 Klefbom – Larsson 27gm, 306:10, 2.74 evga/60
    No. 161 Klefbom – Persson 13gm, 163:13, 2.94 evga/60
    No. 209 bott 40 Nurse – Bear 49gm, 779:55, 3.54 evga/60
    No. 231 Bott 10 Klefbom – Jones 24gm, 111:48, 4.29 evga/60

    Trade Russell?
    100% of goal scoring mechanism.
    I want to win a championship not be one of the 29 losing orgs each yr.

    Corsi to Corsi: 0% goal mechanism
    Corsi to Outcome: 100% goal mechanism
    Dmen abandoning def of Homeplate with transition puck pocession become Rovers.

  144. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard is a zone exit and zone entry savant.

  145. Seismic Source says:

    Be very interesting to see Connors fastest skater time in a few days. Whether he lost a step was in the back of my mind since game 1. Hes obviously ridiculously fast, but he did seem faster last year IMO.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      From the on-screen graphics so far this year, he’s faster than ever.

      I think the question is, how much faster could Connor have been this year if not for the injury & subsequent rehab?

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    rickithebear,

    Kris Russell:

    1.65 GA/60
    1.48 GF/60
    GF% 47.22%

    More goals go in that gets scored and 26% of those minutes are against elites, 37% against middle comp and 36% against “gritensity”.

    If I’m missing something, please tell me how straight GA/60 is more informative.

  147. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    rickithebear,

    How does your model account for quality of competition?

  148. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bouchard is a zone exit and zone entry savant.

    A rover!
    Wonder what his even goal dif is.

    I will check!

    Oh -12

    Keep trying kid.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Nice of you to casually ignore incremental in-season improvements by a rookie pro, with barely a dismissive eye at boxcars. Classy.

  149. Richard Roma says:

    rickithebear:
    51gm into season: 31team x 8 Dpair = 248 pairs (93 EVTOI)
    Evga/60: league median (#124) 2.55
    No. 1 Russell – Benning 23gm, 162:36, 0.37 evga/60
    No. 17 Klefbom – Bear 49gm, 105:31, 1.14 evga/60
    No. 32 Klefbom – Russell 48gm, 159:43, 1.50 evga/60
    No. 63 Russell – Larsson 26gm, 94:03, 1.91 evga/60
    No. 75 Russell – Jones 23gm, 172:04, 2.09 evga/60
    ———————————————————————- below 2.55 is negative goal diff/60
    No. 143 Klefbom – Larsson 27gm, 306:10, 2.74 evga/60
    No. 161 Klefbom – Persson 13gm, 163:13, 2.94 evga/60
    No. 209bott 40 Nurse – Bear 49gm, 779:55, 3.54 evga/60
    No. 231 Bott 10 Klefbom – Jones 24gm, 111:48, 4.29 evga/60

    Trade Russell?
    100% of goal scoring mechanism.
    I want to win a championship not be one of the 29 losing orgs each yr.

    Corsi to Corsi: 0% goal mechanism
    Corsi to Outcome: 100% goal mechanism
    Dmen abandoning def of Homeplate with transition puck pocession become Rovers.

    Asking for a friend, you ever heard of third pairing minutes?

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hebig’s goal – note the understated but great outlet by Bouch:

    https://twitter.com/Condors/status/1220182892904509440

  151. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Bill Peters was not subject to a CBA and unionization.

    Peters received a very substantial amount to disappear quietly.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jets lose in regulation to CBJ – fantastic stuff.

    After holding a lead for a bit, DET is down two very late to MIN – no miracle on that one tonight.

  153. Reja says:

    Why is Winnipeg not trading for D help they should have done this a month ago, can’t blame the coach. If I’m the owner I fire the GM’s ass into the sun during the break and replace him with someone who’s not scared to make a move before the season is lost.

  154. Jethro Tull says:

    Jethro Tull:
    There were a lot of us here parsing every snippet of info on McDavid’s injury.

    My take away at the time was that it was more serious than first thought, literally because of the lack of info.

    Think about it; if it was a mundane injury, with rest and a bit of bike work, we would have seen updates every week.

    No, the very thought of a potentially career altering injury to the league’s star player coupled with a healing regimen that didn’t coincide with the team’s wishes? I don’t think anyone else other than Connor could have done that.Hip surgery for a young Finn that wanted a second opinion, anyone?

    I think it’s time to look long and hard at the team’s medical experts.

    Thanks for the replies everyone, some interesting replies.

    I took from the doc that the Oilers medical staff wanted to operate as soon as possible. There’s no way that gets communicated to Connor without the highest level managerial consent.

    We’re talking not just the Oilers franchise player, but the league’s.

    And we’re forgetting how many season tickets were riding on whether Connor’s knee was fucked or not. It absolutely behove the Oilers to keep it schtum. That it coincided with Connor’s wishes does not make it the right decision.

    We’ve endured the decade of darkness. Could we as a fanbase endure the premature end of the world’s best player?

  155. OriginalPouzar says:

    rickithebear: A rover!
    Wonder what his even goal dif is.

    I will check!

    Oh -12

    Keep trying kid.

    I encourage you to understand context and the fact that he’s now playing top pairing minutes as a 20 year old rookie pro and, over the last 6 weeks has show marked improvement in pretty much all areas.

    I didn’t know that posting the ability to get clean zone exits with possession and clean zone entries with control could be construed as a negative.

  156. OriginalPouzar says:

    rickithebear: A rover!
    Wonder what his even goal dif is.

    I will check!

    Oh -12

    Keep trying kid.

    Further, the Kris Russell you praise so heavily in this thread is a negative at 5 on 5 goal differential while playing only 26% of his time against tough comp….

  157. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    rickithebear,

    Kris Russell:

    1.65 GA/60
    1.48 GF/60
    GF% 47.22%

    More goals go in that gets scored and 26% of those minutes are against elites, 37% against middle comp and 36% against “gritensity”.

    If I’m missing something, please tell me how straight GA/60 is more informative.

    GF/60:
    Corsi to Corsi transition driven by Forwards and Rovers.
    Corsi to outcome: driven by Corsi path directed by Forwards/ rovers, 3rs/4th option Dmen, point shots.
    Path success reduced by opposition Dmen and Goalie.

    What the fuck does GF have to do with real defenceman.
    The true Norris canadates!
    Russel is not a fucking Rover or a forward.
    He sure does not play dman or goalie for the opposition.

    Dmen are part of the 2D – 1G that drives Championship teams. as proven by the only 100% selection case of my champ roster theory.

    Did you read my clear differentiation between the 2 path mechanisms
    Transition 2D to Corsi release
    Goal scoring 3D Corsi release to outcome.

    You list
    our Forward, rover driven transition.
    Our Forward, rover, Point shot Corsi path targeting mechanism.
    Opposition Dmen, and Goalie Corsi goal outcome% reduction mechanism.
    Then you try to tell me that it is a 50% of the measure of Russell’s value.

    What a awful opinion!
    Cause none of that is good science or facts!

    Brutal!

    You recieve assists for another teammate directly scoring a goal.
    Let’s check Dmen direct contribution to Even offence.
    Evg/60

  158. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Would it be trite to suggest the bias is coming from a place where most officials are former players who washed out at some level?Sharing the ice with the best of the best isn’t enough, so they seek to have an impact through game management.

    Though I do agree with Brian Burke in that if you think NHL reffing is bad, have a look in Europe, and dare I say Russia.

    So that may be true, but it is also like saying the reffing in the NHL can be excused because the NFL can’t referee football better than college and lesser leagues. Which is not true.

    It’s not so much perfect, more about consistent year round, team to team, reg to playoffs. It is possible to have less negative outcomes. Too much old boy IMO, not enough concern about credibility.

    Maybe when ‘Cory” retires it’ll get better.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson deflects a Benning shot and the Condors are up 2-0.

    Currie should get the 2nd apple.

    Skinner has been fantastic.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    They’ve given the second assist to Granlund who helped on the zone entry with a rim – I though Currie tipped it back to Benning, maybe not.

  161. Scungilli Slushy says:

    rickithebear:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    We know their are 2 independent human machine action Types.

    1. Corsito outcome:
    – Themechanism of goal scoring.
    -100% goal outcome mechanism.
    – A high 3D tracking mechanism.
    -A puck path Type. With multiple outcomes.
    – the third dimension is critical to differentiating to 2 types of Corsi.
    Closed Corsi
    Open Corsi
    – open corsi the only scoreable data can be differentiated into Save, Goal.
    -The only existing simple Stat that captures the exclusion of closed Corsi and Captures the Open shot affect from Dmen and Goalies is Corsi to evga/60

    2.What I call Corsi to Corsi:
    – The mechanism of transition to achieve the ability to apply the mechanism of scoring.
    – 0% of the goal scoring mechanism.
    – A high% 2D tracking mechanism.
    – A vast % of Corsi areForward & Rover driven.
    – Dmen can only pass to forward or rovers.
    Once the dman abandons def of Homeplate to skate up puck thru NZ they are no longer Dmen they become Rovers.
    -A Puck pocession Type. A repocessionto Corsi mechanism that could have multiple pocession (phase) changes before next Corsi.

    Anyone who tries to tell me that you do not need to provide 100% of Corsi 3D paths Data is brutal science.
    Let’s exclude more than 50% of dmans goal against affect and comment on Dmen and goalies.

    Corsi can be
    1.Blocked ( non – scoreable)
    2. Missed ( non – scoreable)
    3. Tipped (redirected becoming new Corsi)
    A.Opp Corsi
    B. own Corsi
    4. Closed shot ( non – scoreable)
    5. Open Shot ( scoreable)
    A. Saved
    B. Goal

    We know that recent modern era history 7 of 8 final 4 team have been top def teams.

    We know that the first building of a team using 100% of players available in xpansion draft, that fit my championship core roster theory, resulted in a championship.

    As for trading Russell.
    See the list of only data that captures 100% of Corsi3D path mechanism for Dpairs.

    I get what you’re saying but in a highly fluid and fast game I don’t think your metric considers this.

    D that can transition the puck make a huge difference in goal scoring even if they don’t directly score. And I agree with you that one way offensive D are very likely not net contributors overall. Although I do think there are certain exceptions to that rule, as there are to any rule.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja:
    Why is Winnipeg not trading for D help they should have done this a month ago, can’t blame the coach.If I’m the owner I fire the GM’s ass into the sun during the break and replace him with someone who’s not scared to make a move before the season is lost.

    Does this mean that Holland should also be fired given his lack of trades in-season to acquire a 3C or top 6 winger?

  163. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Completely agree!

    In fact, I’m in the camp that if there are 12 infractions against CMD per game, call them all. Even if he takes four himself. The players and coaches will adjust accordingly if they believe that there will be consistency in the calls.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner with another solid save on a cross-ice pass to the scoring areas at the end of a PP.

  165. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Completely agree!

    In fact, I’m in the camp that if there are 12 infractions against CMD per game, call them all.Even if he takes four himself.The players and coaches will adjust accordingly if they believe that there will be consistency in the calls.

    Exactly

  166. Scungilli Slushy says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Completely agree!

    In fact, I’m in the camp that if there are 12 infractions against CMD per game, call them all.Even if he takes four himself.The players and coaches will adjust accordingly if they believe that there will be consistency in the calls.

    And the efforts to exceed the rules to win will be taken away, and the focus will be to succeed within rules.

    In any competitive environment a lack of boundary setting will lead to negative outcomes in some way.

  167. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja:
    Why is Winnipeg not trading for D help they should have done this a month ago, can’t blame the coach.If I’m the owner I fire the GM’s ass into the sun during the break and replace him with someone who’s not scared to make a move before the season is lost.

    Because they can’t.

    Byfuglien’s $7.2 million cap hit remains although he’s not playing.

    They also have more than $11 million in cap space sitting on IR.

    Byfuglien screwed them badly.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Or, WPG screwed Big Buff between last year’s season ending medicals and the ones at this year’s training camp.

      Depends on who’s word you’re taking with little in the way of actual info.

      It’ll be interesting to see how this all shakes out in the end.

    • jm363561 says:

      That I did not know. Mystery solved. Thanks.

  168. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar: I encourage you to understand context and the fact that he’s now playing top pairing minutes as a 20 year old rookie pro and, over the last 6 weeks has show marked improvement in pretty much all areas.

    I didn’t know that posting the ability to get clean zone exits with possession and clean zone entries with control could be construed as a negative.

    Buttons?
    Triggers?
    😇

    He is a rover!

    All we can ask that he continues to improve the most important part of DEFENCEMAN portion of a Rover hybrid.
    2D – 1G

    Holland prefers his Dmen to be age ??? When becoming full time Dman?
    Anyone?
    Anyone!
    Anyone…..”…

  169. duct tape and foil says:

    OP – I forgot that Persson signed 2 years ago and then stayed in Sweden

    OriginalPouzar:

    Skinner has a lot of potential, but it’s going to take time for him to develop the consistency that’s missing from his game. He needs another full year in the AHL as a starter and then he could be ready to backup in the NHL. His time-line and the young Russian’s are close although Konovalov could spend his draft plus 3 season in the AHL with Rodrigue if Skinner is backing up in EDM.

  170. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    This inconsistency is what provides incentive to miscreants like the Marchands and Averys of the world. Those types of characters bank on the fact that the percentages are in their favour. They can play contrary to the rules to their own team’s benefit, because the chances they’ll be called to atone are slim.

    If the refs call the rule book as it is written — more specifically, just do their job — then the players will broadly play to the rules. The job of interpreting the rules falls a body such as the Department of Player Safety. If the rules need to change, it can be done fairly quickly. See: Oilers, Edmonton, and Avery, Sean.

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    Skinner has himself 31 saves half way through the 3rd.

    He makes another solid save on a HDSC, the play goes the other way and Peluso with a Drai-like sauce pass on a 2 on 1 to feed Joe G. for the 3-0 lead.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    rickithebear: GF/60:
    Corsi to Corsi transition driven by Forwards and Rovers.
    Corsi to outcome: driven by Corsi path directed by Forwards/ rovers, 3rs/4th option Dmen, point shots.
    Path success reduced by opposition Dmen and Goalie.

    What the fuck does GF have to do with real defenceman.
    The true Norris canadates!
    Russel is not a fucking Rover or a forward.
    He sure does not play dman or goalie for the opposition.

    Dmenare part of the 2D – 1G that drives Championship teams. as proven by the only 100% selection case of my champ roster theory.

    Did you read my clear differentiation between the 2 path mechanisms
    Transition 2D to Corsi release
    Goal scoring 3D Corsi release to outcome.

    Youlist
    our Forward, rover driven transition.
    Our Forward, rover, Point shot Corsi path targeting mechanism.
    Opposition Dmen, and Goalie Corsi goal outcome% reduction mechanism.
    Then you try to tell me that it is a 50% of the measure of Russell’s value.

    What a awful opinion!
    Cause none of that is good science or facts!

    Brutal!

    You recieve assists for another teammate directly scoring a goal.
    Let’s check Dmen direct contribution to Even offence.
    Evg/60

    Happy to discuss if you are able to so in an adult and respectful manner.

    Please let me know if you are able (and willing) to do so.

  173. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Nice to see him bring his A-game outside of the playoffs, and for a bit of a stretch lately.

    A big step for him along his development path.

    Next step: consistency.

  174. OriginalPouzar says:

    Feel free to watch the highlight of the Hebig goal I posted a bit earlier to see what good defenseman, even rovers, have to do with GF.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    OP – I forgot that Persson signed 2 years ago and then stayed in Sweden

    Skinner has a lot of potential, but it’s going to take time for him to develop the consistency that’s missing from his game. He needs another full year in the AHL as a starter and then he could be ready to backup in the NHL. His time-line and the young Russian’s are close although Konovalov could spend his draft plus 3 season in the AHL with Rodrigue if Skinner is backing up in EDM.

    Can’t disagree with that assessment of the tending prospect situation and, yes, I agree, Skinner is at least a one full year of AHL play away from the NHL.

    What I like is that Konovalov needs to be signed in the same off-season that the ELCs of both Wells and Skinner come due so the org will get to decide which goalie(s) they want to sign and keep – as of now, its looking like Konovalov and Skinner.

  176. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov with an empty netter on a solid play from Esposito.

  177. jp says:

    godot10: Coors Field is a baseball park in MLB.Are stats there not supposed to count.What about short left field fence at Fenway?

    A player shouldn’t be penalized for his ball park.The ball park was acceptable to MLB.

    For his career he hit .348 at home and .278 on the road. There’s supposed to be some kind of split but it’s kinda fair to dock him a little for the park he played the most games in.

  178. OriginalPouzar says:

    Peluso from behind the goal line banks one in off the d-man to make it 5-0.

  179. rickithebear says:

    rover/dman sloting in FWd evg/60 levels

    1 (31st) 1.28, no Dmen
    2 (62nd) 1.14, none
    3 (93rd) 1.01, none
    4 (124th) .93, none
    5 (155th) .83, D. Hamilton .86
    6 (186th) .77, none
    7 (217th) .72, Werenski .73, Carlson .72
    8 (248th) .65, Deangelo .70, Makar .70, graves
    9 (279th) .58 none josi .63
    ————————- 7 dmen above 4th line evg/60
    10 (310th) .50, Weber .57, Hrocek .55, Pietrangelo .52, Pysyk .52, Letang .50, Skje .5
    11 (341st) .42, 12 Dmen
    12 (372nd) .35, 15 Dmen
    ———————— 33 dmen/Rovers 4th line fwd production.

    Which means 40 Dmen are better than PB fwd evg production rate.

    Elite open shot targeters drive EVG production by their targeting and their zone presence drawing the defence.

  180. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: Does this mean that Holland should also be fired given his lack of trades in-season to acquire a 3C or top 6 winger?

    If Holland was in year 3 of his contract these trades would be happening.

  181. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Because they can’t.

    Byfuglien’s $7.2 million cap hit remains although he’s not playing.

    They also have more than $11 million in cap space sitting on IR.

    Byfuglien screwed them badly.

    Trade a forward with the same cap hit for a D let’s say Larsson for Ehlers something along those lines. If your going to cry about spilled milk and not make the playoffs because of Buff it’s time to be terminated.

  182. rickithebear says:

    jp: For his career he hit .348 at home and .278 on the road. There’s supposed to be some kind of split but it’s kinda fair to dock him a little for the park he played the most games in.

    Is this an arguement against Walker or a justification for computer Plate Ump.

  183. jp says:

    dessert1111: Friedman reporting that Oilers are thinking about extending Archibald, Sheahan and Nygard, and that other teams are interested in Archibald too.
    Are we a bit surprised that Haas isn’t included in this list? I wonder if it means anything.

    It could have something to do with his 15-1-0-1 line in the last month plus.

    I’d have no issue bringing him back but he’s not exactly forcing the issue either.

  184. jp says:

    rickithebear: Is this an arguement against Walker or a justification for computer Plate Ump.

    I guess it’s an argument against Walker (really just an acknowledgement that he benefited more than most from his home ball park).

    I’m not sure what computer Plate Ump is – do you mean non-human/unbiased umpires? If so that has next to nothing to do with it. Coors is cavernous (to prevent everything from being a homerun) so BA benefits a ton for basically anyone who plays there.

  185. defmn says:

    Reja: Trade a forward with the same cap hit for a D let’s say Larsson for Ehlers something along those lines. If your going to cry about spilled milk and not make the playoffs because of Buff it’s time to be terminated.

    Chevy has always been like this. There is a time for patience and a time to act. Chevy only has the patience part figured out imo.

  186. duct tape and foil says:

    You are in great shape if Nygard Sheahan and Archie is your 4th line. They should all be affordable next year and slide right into that role. Haas seems a good 13th forward and he might really benefit from a summer training the way he now knows is necessary.

    I could see Benson and Chaser/Neal (would be good to lose one this summer) on the 3rd line with a new and faster center. Pageau perfect but likely too expensive to obtain or retain.

    2nd line seems good and top line needs a LW.

    Bottom 6 was a disaster last year but it’s coming around with 2nd and 4th lines now looking pretty good. Need a 3C and top line LW

    jp: It could have something to do with his 15-1-0-1 line in the last month plus.

    I’d have no issue bringing him back but he’s not exactly forcing the issue either.

  187. v4ance says:

    I know I’m late to the discussion but I wanna make a few points.

    Was anyone’s summer enjoyment damaged in any way by the lack of information on the extent of McDavid’s injury or the subsequent rehab?

    I think the resounding answer is no.

    ***
    Do we want/need wall to wall tabloid coverage of our sports icons to the point they feel suffocated?

    I know there’s a range here but I fall on the side that says we don’t need to know every intimate detail of an athlete’s life outside of the playing field. I cheer for my team and my heros on that team and when they’re outside of the rink, I feel they should have the privacy to live their lives without having to feel like they’re in a fishbowl.

    The extreme case is the treatment of Prince Harry and Princess Megan. As royals, they have had every part of their lives intruded upon. Harry lived through the fact that paparazzi press literally hounded his mother to death in a Paris underpass. Now they have to cope with illegal intrusions like phone tapping and email hacking such that even intimate details that they would never reveal have been splashed across the headlines as everyone digs for the next “scoop”. As much as I am curious, there should be no place in the world for that kind of scrutiny and no one should have to live their lives under such a magnifying glass.

    ***

    After McDavid got injured, he was in a tough spot physically and mentally. He had to make a decision that could ruin or restart his career within a matter of days. At 22, knowing there’s a possibility that your NHL days could be severely curtailed had to be a scary thought. Both options, surgery or strenuous rehab, were going to lead to uncertain outcomes. I think he was in the same mindset and situation as Bobby Orr was when his knee was damaged.

    Once he chose the path of rehab, he and his support group might have been scared of the endgame but they collectively stood behind him. I feel that positive group mindset is what helped him come back at nearly 100% in such a short time. Not allowing the press to report on the details helped to limit any negative thoughts or doubts to intrude into the process.

    I don’t blame any of the press for not getting the scoop. As a poster said, McDavid’s inner circle showed staunch loyalty to keep all the info under wraps. It would have been an ego boost to share or leak the news of McDavid’s injury but it would have wounded Conner emotionally knowing that he couldn’t trust someone in his group and it might have set back his recovery. You can’t become or stay the best in the world without having some excellent people around you and it’s obvious Conner has chosen his allies well.

    I don’t want to live in a world where my desire to have the latest news overrides McDavid’s right to keep the things he wants private, private. I don’t want to drive him out of Edmonton with blanket coverage, like the media has driven Harry and Megan out of Britain. I want him to be happy, be positive, be in Edmonton for his entire career and win multiple cups. If that means i don’t hear the scary news on his rehab the instant he knows, I’m okay with that. Especially if it contributes to his health, well being and speeds his recovery…

  188. Bulging Twine says:

    I wonder why Benson isn’t a C

    I know he’s good along the boards but traditionally the puck distributor is the Center and you’d like your wingers to have good shots – score.
    He’s definitely more a disher than a scorer

    He’s got a good brain

    How’s his defensive game?

  189. Bulging Twine says:

    I was looking through Hockeydb drafts by team
    I was wondering how often teams take goalies and I saw how many whiffs there are in drafting goalies (as there are at any position). So many. It’s hard to get a hit on a goalie.
    I got to thinking, where do the few goalies that actually make it come from? How are the Oilers going to get a goalie or two for the future?

    Of the 56 goalies that have played in 15 or more games this season:

    10 (17.9%) were drafted in the 1st round
    11 (19.6%) were drafted in the 2nd
    10 (17.9%) in round 3
    5 (8.9%) in round 4
    3 (5.4%) in round 5
    3 (5.4%) in round 6
    2 (3.6%) in round 7
    1 in round 8
    2 in round 9
    9 (16.1%) undrafted

    Of the 33 goalies who have played in at least 25 games (starters or close to):

    6 (18.2%) drafted in round 1
    8 (24.2%) round 2
    6 round 3
    3 round 4
    3 round 5
    2 round 6
    1 round 7
    1 round 8
    3 undrafted

    • Bulging Twine says:

      I don’t have time now but it would be good to count how many draft picks were spent on goalies in each round and then calculate the hit rate (and whiff rate) for each round

      • Bulging Twine says:

        of the 331 FW’s that have played in 35 games or more this season:

        158 (47.7%) were first round picks
        47 (14.2%) 2nd round
        35 (10.6%) 3rd round
        23 (6.9%) 4th round
        16 (4.8%) 5th round
        15 (4.5%) 6th round
        8 (2.4%) 7th round
        29 (8.8%) undrafted

        Are first round picks important?
        Yes, yes they are.

        • Bulging Twine says:

          Of the 162 Defencemen that have played in at least 35 games this year:

          64 (39.5%) drafted in first round
          34 (21%) 2nd rounders
          16 (9.9%) 3rd round
          13 (8%) 4th round
          9 (5.6%) 5th round
          7 (4.3%) 6th round
          4 (2.5%) 7th round
          15 (9.3%) undrafted

          Significantly higher % of 2nd rounders than for FW’s
          Again I’d like to see the # of draft picks used on each position to give more info here. As in is there a good hit rate on 2nd round D men or are more % of Dmen picks used in the 2nd and not as many in the 1st?

          • Bulging Twine says:

            Appears that there is value in drafting goalies in the 3rd round

            Maybe a good template to draft by would be this:

            1st round: FW
            2nd round: D
            3rd round: G

    • Bulging Twine says:

      From 2003-2014 there were 265 Goalies drafted. Of those

      6.4% were in the 1st round
      13.6% in the 2nd
      15.5% in the 3rd
      13.6% in the 4th
      16.6% in the 5th
      18.9% in the 6th
      15.5% in the 7th

  190. jp says:

    duct tape and foil:
    You are in great shape if Nygard Sheahan and Archie is your 4th line. They should all be affordable next year and slide right into that role. Haas seems a good 13th forward and he might really benefit from a summer training the way he now knows is necessary.

    I could see Benson and Chaser/Neal (would be good to lose one this summer) on the 3rd line with a new and faster center. Pageau perfect but likely too expensive to obtain or retain.

    2nd line seems good and top line needs a LW.

    Bottom 6 was a disaster last year but it’s coming around with 2nd and 4th lines now looking pretty good. Need a 3C and top line LW

    I agree with most of that.

    I wouldn’t say NEED a 3C and 1LW, though it would be ideal..

  191. jp says:

    Wilde: There is less evidence of my position on McLeod’s lack of offense than there was at the beginning of the season.

    This is really great stuff.

    Encouraging on McLeod and such good information more generally. Thank you.

  192. ArmchairGM says:

    Does anyone have any intel on Lavoie? Just going through hockeydb and noticed that he’s scored 6-5-11 in the six games since he’s been traded to Chicoutimi. Three of those points came on the PP, 1 goal and 2 assists.

    Chicoutimi was a top team prior to the trade, but they weren’t a particularly high scoring team. Since the trade they’ve gone 6-0-0 and outscored their opponents 39 – 20. That’s 6.5 GF and 3.33 GA… prior to the trade they were averaging 3.81 GF and 2.84 GA.

    Also acquired recently by Chicoutimi:

    Dawson Mercer, RHC: 3, 0-5-5 since trade, 2020 draft eligible
    Felix Bibeau, LHC: 13, 3-11-14, NYI 2019 6th round
    Karl Boudrais, LHD: 6, 2-4-6, undrafted 2018 eligible
    Patrick Kyte, LHD: 8, 4-2-6, undrafted 2017 eligible

  193. Jaxon says:

    I’ll copy this over when today’s post goes up but I’m wondering if anyone thinks the Oilers should be interested in any of the goalies who will be UFAs this summer.

    Holtby (Alberta/Sask born) 30yrs, .897 this season
    Lehner 28yrs, .922
    Markstrom 30yrs, .916
    Francouz, 30yrs, .924

    Holtby might be a promising reclamation project. Might he find his way back home?

  194. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon:
    I’ll copy this over when today’s post goes up but I’m wondering if anyone thinks the Oilers should be interested in any of the goalies who will be UFAs this summer.

    Holtby (Alberta/Sask born) 30yrs, .897 this season
    Lehner 28yrs, .922
    Markstrom 30yrs, .916
    Francouz, 30yrs, .924

    Holtby might be a promising reclamation project. Might he find his way back home?

    Good point, I think Holtby would be fine in a tandem situation although I have no evidence for this. I know he’s overworked though: in the 5 seasons prior to this one he averaged 77 GP, including playoffs!! That’s INSANE. This year he’s on pace to play 55 regular season games, although I doubt he hits that number with Samsonov playing like he is.

    I’d also be inquiring about Georgiev and Murray – especially Murray. People are down on him this year in a big way, but when you analyse his play he was only off for about 8 games; the rest of the time he’s been well above average. Plus, of course, several Cups. And he’s only 25. If I could get him on a $4M x 5 year contract this summer I’d do it in a heartbeat. Go long rather than high – he just might go for it.

  195. Jaxon says:

    ArmchairGM: Good point, I think Holtby would be fine in a tandem situation although I have no evidence for this. I know he’s overworked though: in the 5 seasons prior to this one he averaged 77 GP, including playoffs!! That’s INSANE. This year he’s on pace to play 55 regular season games, although I doubt he hits that number with Samsonov playing like he is.

    I’d also be inquiring about Georgiev and Murray – especially Murray. People are down on him this year in a big way, but when you analyse his play he was only off for about 8 games; the rest of the time he’s been well above average. Plus, of course, several Cups. And he’s only 25. If I could get him on a $4M x 5 year contract this summer I’d do it in a heartbeat. Go long rather than high – he just might go for it.

    I was going to include Murray, but I believe he is a RFA, so there is a good chance the team can keep him and re-sign him at a relatively good cost given his play in the last 2 years. Ullmark is in a similar situation as a RFA.

    But Holtby might be looking for a new lease on things and to come home and play with McDavid, Draisaitl, Holland, Tippett might look like a pretty good start. Maybe a hometown (couple bad years) discount?

  196. Jaxon says:

    I’ve been holding onto Hotlby in my hockey pool for a couple years and I think I’m about to let him go.
    T. Jarry
    P. Francouz
    B. Holtby(R)
    I. Samsonov(R)
    D. Kuemper(I)
    That’s my goalie roster and I have to let someone go now that Kuemper is back from injury. The young guys are kinda unproven but they’re killing it roght now and it’s a keeper league so they may be the future elite to hold onto.

  197. ArmchairGM says:

    Jaxon: I was going to include Murray, but I believe he is a RFA, so there is a good chance the team can keep him and re-sign him at a relatively good cost given his play in the last 2 years. Ullmark is in a similar situation as a RFA.

    But Holtby might be looking for a new lease on things and to come home and play with McDavid, Draisaitl, Holland, Tippett might look like a pretty good start. Maybe a hometown (couple bad years) discount?

    Correct, Murray is an RFA. He posted a .919 Sv% last year (above his career average), what was negative about that?

  198. elgruntus says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Scungilli Slushy,

    Completely agree!

    In fact, I’m in the camp that if there are 12 infractions against CMD per game, call them all.Even if he takes four himself.The players and coaches will adjust accordingly if they believe that there will be consistency in the calls.

    Wasn’t it the Canucks that said in pre-season , “they won’t call them all, so keep doing it”? I think most teams use that philosophy.

  199. godot10 says:

    jp: I guess it’s an argument against Walker (really just an acknowledgement that he benefited more than most from his home ball park).

    I’m not sure what computer Plate Ump is – do you mean non-human/unbiased umpires? If so that has next to nothing to do with it. Coors is cavernous (to prevent everything from being a homerun) so BA benefits a ton for basically anyone who plays there.

    So Colorado Rockies players are not eligible for the Hall of Fame. Is that the argument? MLB put a team there.

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