A Preview of Coming Attractions

Math and ‘saw him good’ are both screaming like Janis Joplin onstage in Monterrey: Evan Bouchard is ready, almost ready, or damned near almost ready. So put the veggies in the mirco and set the table, because it’s close.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • New Jonathan Willis: PHWA Midseason Awards: Stars, snubs and what they mean for the year-end NHL Awards
  • Lowetide: Is there real trade deadline value in the Edmonton Oilers’ prospect pipeline?
  • Lowetide: ‘Connor McDavid: Whatever It Takes’ works as breaking news, drama and personality profile
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Hey, Sparky, can you do that?’: How the Oilers’ AHL video coach got his start as the Islanders’ mascot.
  • Eric Duhatschek: He’s special’: The people who know him best tell the story of how Leon Draisaitl took the NHL by storm
  • Pierre Lebrun: Where all 31 teams stand one month before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: What do Connor McDavid’s best lines tell us about his optimal linemates?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: I was an AHL coach for a day: Here’s what I learned
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Oilers player poll: From the serious to the silly, the players weigh in on best dressed, most superstitious and more
  • Thomas Drance: Inside how ‘Okanagan boy’ Ken Holland helped bring back the Penticton Young Stars tournament
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers minor-league defenceman Brandon Manning suspended five games for racial slur
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history
  • Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Josh Archibald, Riley Sheahan show the upward trend of Ken Holland’s offseason moves for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Post-Christmas performance spike has Evan Bouchard pushing for an NHL job with the Oilers
  • Lowetide:  Central Scouting’s midseason list offers Oilers some strong draft options
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

OILERS 2019-20 BLUE

These are five on five numbers via NST. I’ve written two articles at The Athletic recently that pertain to our conversation today, here and here. The first informs us that Evan Bouchard is even strength goal differential 11-8 since Christmas, after going 21-31 leading up to the holidays. The second one discusses the idea of dealing one of Larsson or Russell.

NHLE

This could become pertinent if the Oilers recall Tyler Benson in the next few days. Players like Slepyshev, Gambardella and Currie have played several minor league seasons, so they’re not really comparable (imo) to someone like Benson or Puljujarvi. If you’re a forward, in entry deal and posting 30+ NHLE, that’s a nice neighbourhood.

On defense, there are two true offensive drivers in Joel Persson and Evan Bouchard. Persson, like Slepyshev, is an older player so his totals have to be viewed through a different lens than someone like Bouchard.

PROJECTED 50-MAN

I do think Ken Holland will make more than one big move this summer, my model above sees him sign two free agents and trade for a third-line center. I’m not certain on the money, maybe the team buys someone out, but the trade saves Edmonton a little more than $500,000. I used Hoffman instead of Hall because I don’t want you to use that as the conversation piece. I would prefer Hall, but they’re both excellent options. It’s like choosing stereo speakers at International Stereo in 1975: You’re walking out with something really good.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy show starts at 10, TSN1260. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic talks All-Star weekend and Connor McDavid’s awards collection increasing this summer. Andrew Peard will pop in at 11 to talk Oil Kings and the growing draft buzz around Jake Neighbours. I also have an 11:25 guest who didn’t confirm but may show up anyway, I hope he does because his is a fascinating story. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Andy Dufresne says:

    Steven Ellis of The Hockey News recently penned an article where he looked at all the players in the AHL All-Star game and picked 7 players he views as likey candidates for recall sometime soon.

    7 candidates from amongst all AHL teams.

    Of the 7….. 2 were Bakersfield Condors.

    Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 18
    COL 13
    DAL 11

    Pacific
    VAN 10
    EDM 8
    CGY 7

    Wildcard
    ARI 6
    VGP 5

    Out of playoffs
    NSH 3
    WPG 3
    CHI 3
    MIN 2
    SJS -3
    ANA -6
    LAK -9

    -NSH losing to TOR creates a bigger wildcard gap

    Relevant games tonight:

    STL (-105) at CGY (-115) – by the numbers STL didn’t play bad last night, but Demko held the lead for VAN. Its this spot where I wonder if STL “has their game legs” while CGY might need a period or so to get theirs? I think I like STL a little bit because of this.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I think you are correct to highlight and put a focus on the “WildCard Gap”.

      This is our most likely path to the playoffs.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 23
    PIT 17
    NYI 14

    Atlantic
    BOS 19
    TBY 14
    FLA 12

    Wildcard
    CAR 11
    CBJ 11

    Out of playoffs
    PHI 10
    TOR 9
    NYR 2
    BUF 2
    MTL 0
    OTT -6
    NJD -6
    DET -23

    -TOR beats NSH to not slide further. Muzzin played 22:37 to lead all TOR players. Big difference when he’s there.

    -Relevant games tonight: None

  4. Wonder Llama says:

    Hey Lowetide faithful. Hope everyone’s good today and I hope this is an okay day to drop this wall of text on you. Evan Bouchard is certainly worth discussing. This will be the last time I do this; any expansion of the dictionary will now come from other posters.

    I read almost every day but I don’t post a lot as I feel completely outclassed in fancystats knowledge and usually by the time I think of something useful to say someone else has already said it.

    I am llargely a llurking llama, llaying llow, lliving my llife and llearning from llegends llike Lladies Llove Smid.

    I suspect there are many regular readers/infrequent posters like me, so if my goofy dictionary can provide a few laughs I feel like I’ve given a little bit back to the group. I am like Salieri at the end of Amadeus, absolving Analytics Mediocrities everywhere.

    So here is the LOWETIDE DICTIONARY, 3rd edition, incorporating more suggested terms and an open-ended community format for expansion and eventual publication in a respected peer-reviewed journal. There are 20 new entries for a total of 58 (including the four contributed by BONE207).

    PART A: WONDER LLAMA LLOWETIDE LLEXICON

    ALSO IN PHOTO: A sports journalism-inspired Lowetidian euphemism for “late to the play.” Example: “Number 12 Yvan Cournoyer hugs an elated Paul Henderson in front of a prone Vladislav Tretiak. Also in photo: future salt miner Yuri Lyapkin.”

    AUSTINS: Towards the end of the DOD (Decade Of Darkness) Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, and Jordan Eberle received contracts with identical $6,000,000 AAVs. They were the Six Million Dollar Men; the Steve Austins. These contracts were better, stronger, and faster than other contracts. They proved that young stars would make long-term commitments to the northernmost city in the NHL. Lowetidians scoffed at the cake-eaters and pool loungers of Winnipeg and Buffalo. Good times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO57y4td-c

    BALANCE PHOTO: A mythical image promised for years to the Lowetide faithful when the Oilers roster is finally packed with pecks of pickled Pisscutters and Pisanis. Its appearance will herald a new Oilers Dynasty and the simultaneous psychic orgasm of Lowetidians around the world.

    BARKING CORGIS: A rare example of LRS (Lowetidian Rhyming Slang). In this case corgi = corsi. Corsi is a measure of official shots, missed shots, and blocked shots originally named by early Oilers blogger Tim Barnes (aka Vic Ferrari) arbitrarily yet appropriately after Buffalo Sabres goalie coach Jim Corsi. Whatever. When the small royal dogs are yapping the Oilers are pushing the frozen disc of vulcanized rubber in the correct direction.

    CALM YOUR TITS: Hold your horses. Mellow your manatees. Placate your platypuses. Sedate your salamanders. Temper your tardigrades. It’s just a game.

    CAMPING BOX: Arguably Lowetide’s greatest childhood story. Soon to be a major motion picture starring Hugh Bonneville, Emma Thompson, and Iain Armitage as Young LT.

    CAN’T PISS A DROP: The inability to score points at the NHL level (see Steve MacIntyre, Jean-Francois Jacques, Zack Stortini, Ryan O’Marra, Luke Gazdic, and, of course, Rob Shremp).

    CFP: Chris Fucking Pronger. It’s a long story.

    CHASED BY BEES: When a player (typically a forward with above-average offensive skills) drives his linemates and coaches to drink cheap screech because he is unable or unwilling to skate within a recognizable system of positional play.

    COKE MACHINE: Lowetidian euphemism for a large, lumbering forward with limited offensive potential but who can throw a punch. If he ever catches up to that “enigmatic Russian,” he might even throw a TBC (Thunderous Body Check). Oilers management acquired a bewildering number of these players during the DOD. Statistically speaking, actual Coke machines are probably more dangerous. https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/58235/11-mundane-objects-are-statistically-deadlier-sharks

    CROOKED NUMBERS: Zeros are round. Ones are straight. Crooked is better. We wait.

    DANCES WITH BEES: Nail Yakupov’s Sioux name. (Okay, I made that one up).

    DEAD CAT BOUNCE: The deceptive temporary sign of life that a player or team displays just before his or its final collapse. Often occurring as the result of a desperate structural change like firing the head coach. The Oilers’ 9-2-2 record from Nov. 20 to Dec. 14, 2018 under new coach Ken Hitchcock was a dead cat bounce. Don’t bounce cats, dead or alive.

    DECADE OF DARKNESS: 2006-2015; essentially the period between game 7 of the 2006 finals and the 2015 draft lottery win. Most Lowetidians developed their sophisticated understanding of scotch and rye whisky during this time.

    DONNER PARTY: The final stage of most Oilers seasons. After the OP-timism of early days Lowetidians survive the Gales of November and hope for the best. But after too many Tabernac Saturdays we are visited by Nadir’s Raiders and finally resort to cannibalism wondering if the best players on the team are actually the problem. https://twitter.com/brendelbored/status/1069046253827305473?lang=en

    EDMONTON OILERS: A team in the National Hockey League.

    EYE TEST/SEEN HIM GOOD: On December 1, 2014 Coyotes rookie Tobias Rieder scored two shorthanded goals against the Oilers on the same penalty kill. Sign that kid up first chance you get! In 67 games with the Oilers Rieder scored zero goals. In the immortal words of Obi-Wan Kenobi: “Your eyes can deceive you. Don’t trust them.”

    FANCYSTATS/FANCIES: Advanced analytics for hockey in the tradition of the pioneering work of Oakland Athletics GM Billy Beane and including the insights of several Lowetide contributors like WoodGuy and G Money. Includes things like barking corgis and PDO mirages. Does not include plus/minus unless it supports your current narrative.

    FIFTY: The number of points Ryan Nugent-Hopkins might someday score if all the planets align and he finally shaves his sideburns.

    GALES OF NOVEMBER: A reference to the 1976 Gordon Lightfoot song “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald,” this frightening phrase acknowledges the Oilers’ recent history of futility in the 11th month when playoff hopes come on deck and say “fellas it’s been good to know ya.”

    GET GOOD PLAYERS, KEEP GOOD PLAYERS: A Lowetidian paraphrase of a quotation from legendary NY Islanders coach Al Arbour. https://oilersnation.com/2013/08/24/get-good-players/ Oilers management reportedly misheard this advice and attempted to sign both Kerry King and Buffy.

    GOALIES ARE VOODOO: Goalies like to be hit really hard with frozen discs of vulcanized rubber. Goalies talk to their posts and throw up before games. Goalies are butterflies and snow angels. You don’t want to draft them too high or give them too long a contract, but almost everything depends on them. Goalies are voodoo.

    GORD: Yahweh/God/Allah.

    GRIFFIN REINHART: Matthew Barzal and Sebastian Aho.

    JULTZING: Inspired by former Oiler defenceman Justin Schultz, it is the practice of defending by skating away from an attacking forward with one’s stick vaguely pointing towards him, just out of reach. Schultz was fine really but he was more MAB than CFP so his lack of TBCs got him traded to Pittsburgh where he promptly won a Stanley Cup. We’re all really happy for him. I guess.

    KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY: Wikipedia can tell you all about muskets, Oliver Cromwell and early 19th century poems, but for Lowetidians it means don’t make unnecessary trades or free agent signings based on emotion or desperation. Example: In what appeared to be an emotional reaction to his poor point production in the 2017 playoffs Jordan Eberle was traded for Ryan Strome. In what appeared to be a desperate reaction to Strome’s initial poor point production in 2018, he was traded for Ryan Spooner. Jordan Eberle plays well enough for the NY Islanders. Ryan Strome plays beautifully for the NY Rangers. Ryan Spooner plays in Switzerland. All this is fine since the Oilers have no need for a scoring winger or third line centre. [EDIT: It all worked out in the end as Samwise Gagner meets both those needs.]

    KOMRADE HORCOV: Where do you think you are, Copper and Blue?

    MATERIAL: The difference OP makes.

    MENDOZA LINE: 1. A reference to MLB shortstop Mario Mendoza and to .200 as a minimum competent batting average. So the Mendoza Line in hockey might be 10 goals per season for a forward or a .900 SV% for a goaltender, YMMV.
    2. What you don’t want to push McBain over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOk4hQXbGDs

    MICHELLE JENNEKE: A world-class Australian track and field athlete who deserves nothing but our utmost respect and admiration. Also, she’s crazy fucking hot Good Gord. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdexkdpkIgk

    MILES TO GO/EARLY DAYS: A reference to the Robert Frost poem Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening and the lines “The woods are lovely, dark and deep; But I have promises to keep; And miles to go before I sleep…” Simply an acknowledgement that things can change. Example: It’s November 24, 2019 and the Edmonton Oilers are 16-7-2 but these are early days and there are miles to go before they collapse.

    MUSIC!: One-word Lowetidian exclamation of joy when things actually go right. Example: In the fourth and fifth rounds of the 2015 draft the Oilers chose defencemen Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear. Both have been developed and ripened within the organization and are becoming real NHL defencemen just when we need them. Music!

    NADIR’S RAIDERS: Ralph Nader first became famous in the 1960s as a consumer advocate, most notably vis-à-vis the auto industry and such substandard models as the Chevrolet Corvair and the Ford Pinto. The group of law students who helped him investigate the FTC were known as “Nader’s Raiders.” Nadir is rock bottom, like finishing last in the NHL and picking first in the draft. Then doing it again. I’m sure there’s a joke about Lennart Petrell being unsafe at any speed here somewhere but I can’t quite reach it so here’s a song about a car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYveoz8ga0

    OBC (Old Boy’s Club): The ability to play hockey does not necessarily imply the ability to manage a complex multi-million-dollar hockey franchise shocking I know.

    OUR GRACIOUS HOST: Lowetide himself. He’s all three words. He created an oasis of decency in the ugly sludge of internet commentary. He’s modern and he’s folksy. He’s overworked and underpaid. He’s a beautiful soul and he’s more patient with us than we deserve. He’s bouncy trouncy flouncy pouncy fun fun fun fun fun!

    OVERRIPEN: The practice of granting more than sufficient development time for players to mature, hone their skills, and build their confidence in the AHL or equivalent. The gold standard for this strategy was Montreal in the 1970s. Then there’s Jesse Puljujarvi.

    PISSCUTTER: A hockey player so good he produces a stream of urine that shines like a shaft of gold when all around is dark and cuts through sheet metal like a Bond villain’s laser.

    PUSHING THE RIVER: Perhaps the quintessential Lowetide term, it refers to a player’s ability to singlehandedly tilt the ice in his team’s favour. Taylor Hall was a river pusher; Jordan Eberle, as much as we loved him, was not. Bruce Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, and Neil Young are also river pushers. Andy Williams, as much as we love Breakfast at Tiffany’s, was not.

    REAL AND SPECTACULAR: 1. Ample not gauche, firm not hard, sensitive not ticklish, with perfectly proportioned areolae and nipples. [see Seinfeld episode “The Implant,” Feb. 25, 1993].
    2. Oscar Klefbom’s abs.

    REGRESSION TO THE MEAT: Based on some analytics crap (watch the game, nerds) called regression to the mean. It is the tendency for outliers to stop lying out there. Example: Milan Lucic’s hands might score two goals this week but his head will soon regress to the meat.

    RICKIBOX [TM]: Associated with the enigmatic figure Ricki the Bear, it remains ill-defined. Some believe it is simply the area in front of the goal while others insist it is a place to put a number so that it does not become lost.

    ROB SCHREMP: 1. Edmonton Oilers first-round draft pick (25th overall) in 2004. Scored 57 goals in 57 games for the London Knights. Scored zero goals in seven games over three seasons for the Edmonton Oilers. https://cursingintime.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/sugar-tits/
    2. He does not shine shoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJzNUydlQ4I
    3. He does not make chocolate. http://indifferenttobelgium.blogspot.com

    SAIL ON: The traditional Lowetide farewell salutation when an Oiler leaves the team, often employing a geographically specific alliteration. If, for example, Joakim Nygard were to leave, the headline might be “Sail On, Stockholm Syndrome.”

    SIDEBURNS: What Don Mattingly and Martin Marincin never shaved. [see Simpsons episode “Homer at the Bat,” Feb. 20, 1992].

    SMID: Ladies love him; LT hates him. No one knows why either is true.

    SOFT PARADE: 1. Weak QoC (Quality of Competition) that affects a player’s or line’s production or possession numbers. Example: If the unicorns emerge and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins plays 3C with competent wingers, he might score 50 points against the soft parade.
    2. Not coincidentally, the weakest of The Doors’ six studio albums. Hard to defend these lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZaQyYgAGfQ

    STAN WEIR: Stan Weir bought straight-blade sticks and curved them with his iron will. You don’t know who Stan Weir is? You better pray he doesn’t find out who you are.

    TABERNAC SATURDAY: An acknowledgement of the Oilers’ tendency to lose on Saturday night’s Hockey Night In Canada broadcasts. Not even the sensory assault of Don Cherry’s suits could overcome the need to shout this most sacrilegious of Quebecois profanities.

    UNICORNS: The elusive dream of three scoring lines with three river-pushing centres like Pittsburgh with Crosby, Malkin, and Staal 2006-12. The Oilers actually have this potential with McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins and are only six wingers away from making the dream real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4bc9UwZsYs

    VEGREVILLE: Las Vegas (but with perogy payouts at the Kaiser tables).

    WE HOPED FOR THE BEST: But it turned out like always.

    WE WAIT: What Lowetidians do indefinitely after a logical and perfectly obvious course of action is publicly suggested.

    WOODMONEY: 1. Something something Woodguy and GMoney… something something brilliant and innovative… something something Puck IQ is amazing: https://lowetide.ca/2017/07/02/its-the-real-thing-woodmoney/
    2. One trick to faking analytics knowledge is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the Red Arrow to Red Deer. I needed a new box for my camping trip. So I decided to go to Moose Jaw, which is what they called Red Deer in those days. So I tied a perogy to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the bus cost a WoodMoney, and in those days WoodMonies had pictures of Stan Weir on ‘em. “Gimme five Stannies for a Pisani,” you’d say.

    YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary, an acknowledgement of differing assessments within a mutually-understood set of parameters. Taken from a common refrain in late 20th century car commercials. I think Ethan Bear is a serious Calder candidate and BoJack Horseman is the best show on TV but YMMV.

    PART B: BONE-US SECTION! – Entries added by BONE207

    LAST CHANCE TEXACO: A mythical gas station where you either catch the plane to stardom or catch the bus/hitch hike your ass out of the land of milk and honey that is the NHL.

    HOUSE AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD: Slow moving defensemen, forwards that have slow boots and generally anything slower than the speed of light as compared to CONNOR.

    CLOSE ENOUGH FOR JAZZ: The premise that jazz music, often played by four musicians doing different songs, is a good equivalent of among different players doing different things in hockey to be successful.

    WOODGUY: He is the echoing voice heard down the streets of the book, 1984. He tells you what you are doing wrong, how you should see things and has a house with a moat that features a complex to manufacture torches and pointy things.

    PART C: COLLABORATIVE COMMUNITY SECTION

    Here are some of the terms suggested by the community that I don’t feel confident defining. Some I have missed/forgotten completely like The Vaunt or Violently Disagree. Some I just don’t remember well enough like the details of the Pike’s Peak story or why we blame Woodguy’s phone for everything.

    ACID EATER (GREBESHKOV?)
    ALAS (ANTON LANDER APPRECIATION SOCIETY)
    BARBARA ANN SCOTT
    BECAUSEOILERS
    DRAFT BIBLE (THE HOCKEY NEWS)
    DYS
    FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE FIVE TIMES
    FUCK YOU BOOKJE
    PIKE’S PEAK STORY
    PUBIS THING
    PARDUBICE PRINCE
    RED WINE SUMMIT
    THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
    THE VAUNT
    TOONCES TAMBELLENI
    VIOLENTLY DISAGREE
    WOODGUY’S PHONE

  5. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Math and ‘saw him good’ are both screaming like Janis Joplin onstage in Monterrey:” < NICE

    My parents* called it screaming…. so youre saying they were right?
    .
    .
    * Technically speaking, my Mother called it screaming, my Father called it noise.

  6. Lowetide says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “Math and ‘saw him good’ are both screaming like Janis Joplin onstage in Monterrey:” < NICE

    My parents* called it screaming…. so youre saying they were right?
    .
    .
    * Technically speaking, my Mother called it screaming, my Father called it noise.

    Lol. My Dad hated hippies. I liked them. The girls were pretty and wore flowers in their hair. My Dad was outraged by their not having a job and not caring about anything and their greasy hair. I always thought he was really mad because he didn’t have as much hair, but there were other reasons he didn’t like them.

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Math and ‘saw him good’ are both screaming like Janis Joplin onstage in Monterrey: Evan Bouchard is ready, almost ready, or damned near almost ready. So put the veggies in the mirco and set the table, because it’s close.”

    So you’re saying that Ken Holland will be busy at the Trade Deadline….adding three new players to the roster…….Player X from Team XYZ……Tyler Benson….and Evan Bouchard…..?

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evan Bouchard is coming – this player is real and this player is spectacular!

    Evan Bouchard has been developing at a rapid pace and has taken off in all areas of the game over the last 4-6 weeks, however, I’m confidant Holland wants to:

    1) continue that development
    2) not bring a 20 year old rookie d-man in to the NHL lineup in the midst of a pressure filled playoff race when the team has a solid 8-9 legit NHL d-men and are healthy (at least for now)
    3) not burn a year of his ELC at this stage

    I’m more excited about Bouchard now that I was on draft day, watching him earn the OHL d-man of the year, go PPG for the Condors in the playoffs last year and at the beginning of this season.

    He struggled a bit at the beginning of the year in the area that we knew required development – as per Woody, intensity in battle and urgency of puck moving, resting on the ice, proximity to checks and gap control, defensive positioning and battle in front of the net.

    With that said, given how “coachable” the player is, his development in these areas are stunning, in particular his improvement in urgency and gap control – at least to my eye.

    On the skill side, he is a zone exit and zone entry savant. He has a Nurse like ability to skate the puck out of the defensive zone and through the neutral zone (maybe not as fast but he does have solid straight away speed) and he, of course, has the plus plus transition pass – that combo is marvelous to watch.

    At the same time, those three things I mentioned above are real and I think, unless there are 2-3 injuries to NHL d-men, Bouch will complete the year as a Condor and the future is going to be bright for it.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      “Evan Bouchard is coming – this player is real and this player is spectacular!”

      God please let this be true.

      This ^ … and a Goalie may be all that stand between us and a Stanley Cup.

      • MushedPeas says:

        Amen ^

        I think the ELC burns no matter what?
        Pretty sure you mean RFA years.

      • unca miltie says:

        I saw him live twice this year, once in November in Bakersfield and 8 days ago in Ontario. He is a different player. The intensity is there, one once in the whole game did I see him relax a bit and that was on the power play. he was solid defensively as well. Ontario plays big just like the Kings and Bouchard faired well. He is definitely close.

  9. Darryl8843 says:

    Lowetide I walked out with a pair of JBL’s. Damn they were good. Went nicely with my Pioneer amp and Dual turntable. Never quite made the 8-Track sound good but we didn’t care. Those truly were great days.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I remember vividly to this day when my buddy Eddie Telford popped an 8 Track into the 8 Track player in his AMC Gremlin car……and the Base Line blasted out the opening notes to China Grove…..it was orgasmic…..

      Had a very similar experience a few years earlier with the Led Zeplin track “Whole Lotta Love”

      8 Track quality was poor, but I didnt know it at the time 🙂

      #IgnoranceIsBliss

      #BeautyIsInTheEarOfTheBeholder

    • BONE207 says:

      JBL for me as well…in the eighties. Connected to my reel to reel Sony system. Still have the speakers.

  10. Lowetide says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “Math and ‘saw him good’ are both screaming like Janis Joplin onstage in Monterrey: Evan Bouchard is ready, almost ready, or damned near almost ready. So put the veggies in the mirco and set the table, because it’s close.”

    So you’re saying that Ken Holland will be busy at the Trade Deadline….adding three new players to the roster…….Player X from Team XYZ……Tyler Benson….and Evan Bouchard…..?

    These are summer moves. They can’t sign free agents at the deadline.

  11. Lowetide says:

    Darryl8843:
    Lowetide I walked out with a pair of JBL’s. Damn they were good. Went nicely with my Pioneer amp and Dual turntable. Never quite made the 8-Track sound good but we didn’t care.Those truly were great days.

    JBL’s were fabulous! I had a Dual turntable and a Pioneer amp, but couldn’t afford JBL’s. The guy at International Stereo got me a great pair of speakers from a Canadian company (Audio Tech) that lasted me a decade and were quality. Those guys were so good at their jobs. Customer service never sounded better.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      How about Trunk of the Car Guy…..His service was sketchy…but his prices were incredible. 🙂

    • Darryl8843 says:

      Every piece of electronics I ever bought was from International Stereo. Best store ever. The Dual Turntable you could literally turn it on it’s side without skipping the record. Great for parties. I still use mine today.

  12. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Re: Bouchard. In order for him to play regular minutes in the NHL this year, you’d have to trade a Russell or Larson or Benning.

    – While Bouchard’s ceiling is hopefully higher than any of the aforementioned, I’m be shocked ifthis team, that is fairly poor on the GA, would trade away one of those more veteran D where the org knows what they have in them, just as games are amping up intensity, to make room for a rookie one, while trying to get into the playoffs. That’s what a bad team does IMO

    – Bouchard may be “ready”, but it would be bad for the team to be playing him in the NHL today. 3 essentially rookie D on a team is rarely a recipe for success.

    – Anyway, it’s a good problem to have. Plus Persson has played this year. We have a few waves of “draft and develops” that are coming. Finally.

  13. flyfish1168 says:

    I can see both Larsson and Russell heading out of town by the end of summer.

  14. Coiler says:

    Having Bouchard get recalled is at this point in the season is like getting a solid puck moving D-man via trade. Except this isn’t costing any assets. It’s a win-win for everyone.

    I sincerely hope Russell is the odd man out and Holland finds him a new home than Larsson.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Agreed. If we’re moving one I’d rather it was Larsson. I stand by my view that the only time to deal Larsson is once we know for sure that Bouchard is ready for top 4 minutes in the NHL. We’ve been down this rushing prospects route way too many times before.

      Certainly, I’m not for dealing Larsson before the summer.

  15. tileguy says:

    Adding snippets of home life in a hockey blog never ceases to make me smile, pause and reflect. You are the true Norman Rockwell of Canada Mr. Tide.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      LT’s writing style is, for me, a combination of two GREAT writers ( its no insult to LT to say that he is the 8-Track to these guys High Fidelity Vinyl Records)

      One is LT namesake, the Great W.O. Mitchell and the other is P.J. O’Rourke (David McAllister Barry is a close third).

      Mitchell is famous for portraying life on the Canadian prairies.

      If your a Boomer and LT makes you laugh…You’ve GOT TO read, P.J. O’Rourke “The Baby Boom: How It Got That Way…And It Wasn’t My Fault…And I’ll Never Do It Again.”

      If you’re a Boomer, you’ll utter the following phrase at least 40 times while reading the book, “Yes! Yes! Thats Me!….I remember that”

  16. Darth Tu says:

    Darryl8843:
    Lowetide I walked out with a pair of JBL’s. Damn they were good. Went nicely with my Pioneer amp and Dual turntable. Never quite made the 8-Track sound good but we didn’t care.Those truly were great days.

    I’m currently rocking a blue eyes JVC receiver/amp and a pair of Celestion Ditton 44 speakers – sumptuous.

    JBLs are still quality.

  17. so polar says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    agree with the rest, but re 3.), i believe his elc burns regardless of where he plays this year — chlers only slide if they’re in the chl, and bouchard’s DOB likely makes him ineligible unless as an overager.

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    ” The second one discusses the idea of dealing one of Larsson or Russell.”

    Why not Benning?…….or is moving Benning a foregone conclusion?

  19. flea says:

    It’s good to have extra Defense for a playoff push. Don’t see the Oilers moving any defenders at the deadline for this reason. However I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bouchard play in the NHL at some point this year if there are injuries. I’m sure the Oilers want the contract to slide too, but if the player is ready, and there is a need, contract slide be damned.

  20. notarealdoctor says:

    Lowetide,

    I had my Audio Techs and Dual until the late 80’s. Bought a Harmon Kardon instead of the Pioneer, though. “We shop the world for you!”

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I knew we all ate the same food and traveled to the same destinations for vacations…..but until now, I didnt realize that we all owned the same stereo equipment.

  21. TheGreatBigMac says:

    LT, love your projection that team looks like a contender. How I wish it were possible, tell me you think it’s possible while still being under the cap.

  22. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    unless there are 2-3 injuries to NHL d-men, Bouch will complete the year as a Condor and the future is going to be bright for it.

    – Yes. He’s not playing in the NHL this year barring injuries (or trades as I mentioned): ready or not

    – Bouchard playing alongside 2 other rookie D decreases playoff chances

  23. VanIsleOil says:

    notarealdoctor:
    Lowetide,

    I had my Audio Techs and Dual until the late 80’s. Bought a Harmon Kardon instead of the Pioneer, though.“We shop the world for you!”

    Late 70’s…. spent way too much money on my stereo system..wicked SAE amp and receiver, Dual turntable with Shure cartridge, Teac cassette deck,and monster Canadian Sound Dynamic 15S speakers……..was a big hit for parties…..now my ears hurt if the music is too loud….

  24. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    How are Evan’s transitions looking? His straight ahead speed was always underrated, his backwards speed at the top of his class but his biggest skating deficiency has always been transitions between the two.

  25. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I’d rather pay Adam Larsson $4M on the third pair for the remainder of his contract than Kris Russell. He’s an ideal mentor for the likes of Caleb or Willie.

    That said, if he can play next year at or near his current level, we could run another full year of 1A/1B pairings like in 2017.

    Having Benning as a 7D isn’t the worst spot to be in the world.

  26. Darth Tu says:

    Speaking of cap space, I present my ridiculously crappy idea for the day. Well it’s more of a crappy question:

    – The portion of the Lucic contract that we carry. Is there a way it can be exorcised from our cap hit? As in, can we somehow deal an asset and package in the Lucic cap hit and dump it unceremoniously on someone else? I get that it’s only $750,000, but that’s still a league minimum player when all is said and done.

    Obviously the main issues with this are most teams being hard up against the cap, and how much of a sweetener would need to be offered to make it worth someone’s while to take on the $750 k. Is it even worth bothering with, and do we just eat the cap?

    The reason I ask is, that as some have pointed out numerous times, between the Lucic retention, the Pouliot buyout ($1.33 million), and the Sekera buyout ($2.5 million), the Oilers have approximately $4.58 million in dead space going into next season. That’s a goal scoring winger’s worth of salary.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Pretty sure TOR is still paying a $1.2M portion of Kessel’s salary even though he’s since been traded from PIT.

      • Darth Tu says:

        Yeah, I get that we’re on the hook for it as it stands. Is there some hard and fast rule that once you’ve retained a portion you keep it forever? I was more meaning can it in theory be moved.

    • ArmchairGM says:

      I don’t believe there is any way of removing retained salary and buyout cap hits. Once they’re there, they’re there to stay.

  27. leadfarmer says:

    Pettersson for Pens just signed a 4.025 contract extention if we are looking for Bear on long term its going to be over 4 per

  28. JimmyV1965 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “Math and ‘saw him good’ are both screaming like Janis Joplin onstage in Monterrey:” < NICE

    My parents* called it screaming…. so youre saying they were right?
    .
    .
    * Technically speaking, my Mother called it screaming, my Father called it noise.

    Hats off to LT. That simile is gold, pure gold.

  29. Ben says:

    Nurse – Bear
    Klefbom – Bouchard
    Jones – Larsson
    Benning/Lag

    probably represents the best back-end depth since 44 was knocking up weatherladies.

  30. Darth Tu says:

    I am enjoying that LT planted Hoffman in the lineup for next year, said don’t talk about Hall, clearly in an effort to get us to talk about both of said wingers.

    We then spend the morning chatting about stereos.

  31. Harpers Hair says:

    Craig Custance has a new piece up at the Althletic concerning a proposed trade of Adam Larsson to the Leafs for Jeremy Bracco and Andreas Johnsson.

    https://theathletic.com/1560427/2020/01/28/who-says-no-nhl-executives-evaluate-your-trade-proposals/?source=shared-article

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Is it all based on conjecture on his part? or is he claiming talks have actually occured?

      At first glance, I might do this deal.

  32. knighttown says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Evan Bouchard is coming – this player is real and this player is spectacular!

    Evan Bouchard has been developing at a rapid pace and has taken off in all areas of the game over the last 4-6 weeks, however, I’m confidant Holland wants to:

    1) continue that development
    2) not bring a 20 year old rookie d-man in to the NHL lineup in the midst of a pressure filled playoff race when the team has a solid 8-9 legit NHL d-men and are healthy (at least for now)
    3) not burn a year of his ELC at this stage

    I’m more excited about Bouchard now that I was on draft day, watching him earn the OHL d-man of the year, go PPG for the Condors in the playoffs last year and at the beginning of this season.

    He struggled a bit at the beginning of the year in the area that we knew required development – as per Woody, intensity in battle and urgency of puck moving, resting on the ice, proximity to checks and gap control, defensive positioning and battle in front of the net.

    With that said, given how “coachable” the player is, his development in these areas are stunning, in particular his improvement in urgency and gap control – at least to my eye.

    On the skill side, he is a zone exit and zone entry savant.He has a Nurse like ability to skate the puck out of the defensive zone and through the neutral zone (maybe not as fast but he does have solid straight away speed) and he, of course, has the plus plus transition pass – that combo is marvelous to watch.

    At the same time, those three things I mentioned above are real and I think, unless there are 2-3 injuries to NHL d-men, Bouch will complete the year as a Condor and the future is going to be bright for it.

    Goddammit OP, you’d better be right on this!

    I’d sort of settled into the notion that we might have a prime-of-his-career Cody Franson on our hands but you’ve done amped up the hype again! Can he get to those loose pucks in the corners? Can he separate guys from the puck?

    I know you put in the time and watch and re-watch most games. And I also don’t recall you getting so horny about other borderline prospects so screw it, I’m going to trust you!

  33. JimmyV1965 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Pettersson for Pens just signed a 4.025 contract extention if we are looking for Bear on long term its going to be over 4 per

    Pettersson has played 160 NHL games already. I think we should sign Bear short term. There is a very good chance he regresses next year. It happens to a lot of sophomore dmen.

  34. Andy Dufresne says:

    Evan Bouchard has a Unicorn aspect to him.

    He’s the only Defensemen I’ve ever heard of where they are trying to Coach the calm out of him.

    Seriously…Ive never heard of that happening before. Coaches usually spend alot of time trying to coach elite prospects how to be more calm under pressure.

    Ive flip flopped from “Its good he’s so calm” to “this worries me”…back to “Its good hes so calm”…

  35. elgruntus says:

    Bought my Emerson amp at Consumers Distributing, then the RCA turntable at Crazy Crazy’s. The sound through the RCA speakers wasn’t spectacular, but I did however, have plenty of beer money

  36. so polar says:

    Harpers Hair,

    I would take that in an instant, what the hell?

  37. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    so polar:
    OriginalPouzar,

    agree with the rest, but re 3.), i believe his elc burns regardless of where he plays this year — chlers only slide if they’re in the chl, and bouchard’s DOB likely makes him ineligible unless as an overager.

    This isn’t right.

    This has everything to do with how old the player is when they sign their contract and how many games in the NHL that they play in a year.

    It has nothing to do at all with what league (ie. CHL) the player was drafted from.

    Here’s a good explanation:

    What is an Entry Level Slide?
    If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.

    Players who sign at 18 years old are eligible to have their contracted extended for 2 seasons. This extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between September 16 and December 31 in his signing year. Signing bonuses do not slide, and are paid to the player regardless of a slide, this causes the annual average of the players contract to change, and therefore the cap hit decreases for this player.

    Link: https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#elc

    Bouchard’s contract is a candidate to slide this year if he plays less than 10 NHL games.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Thank You for the clarification. I knew this was the case…but for some reason its still unsettling to me when I hear conflicting reports

    • MushedPeas says:

      Now i’m thoroughly confused. Hasn’t this blog been hammering for years the point that ELC years are burned by seasons in the pros, whether minor or major (AHL or NHL)?

      Huh.

  38. who says:

    Darth Tu:
    Agreed. If we’re moving one I’d rather it was Larsson.I stand by my view that the only time to deal Larsson is once we know for sure that Bouchard is ready for top 4 minutes in the NHL. We’ve been down this rushing prospects route way too many times before.

    Certainly, I’m not for dealing Larsson before the summer.

    I’m not sure I’m even trading Larrson this summer. The only way I do it is if the Oilers are signing a 1 or 2 year stop gap RD to cover his absence. Problem with that is can you find a quality RD willing to sign for 2×4?
    If Larsson is traded our right side for next year is sophomore Bear, rookie Bouchard, and soon to be concussed Benning. Or Russell. Or Jones.
    You’re much better off letting Larrson play out his contract in Edmonton. Gives you another year to evaluate Bear and Bouchard and gives them another year before they have to carry the full load of top 4 minutes.
    Trade Benning. Try and trade Russell, even if you have to add, or retain salary. That’s the best way to ice a playoff contender for next year.

    • dustrock says:

      Yeah I agree with this approach.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Yeah I agree. Summer is a bare minimum, and I’d still not lean towards that being a good move. Larsson might get you more than Russell or Benning, but I’m not sure losing him makes up for said return.

      I’d keep Larsson for at least another season. He’s a top 4 D on our team and that has real value for helping Bouchard along. We can’t expect him to walk into the NHL and be lights out immediately.

      Benning – I actually like – the injuries worry me though. How many more bonks to the noggin can one man take?

      Russell, again he does have value, but I’d rather keep the right handed Larsson over Kris. Especially with the cap hit for Russell. If he was $750k to $1 million less AAV I might have a different view. It is what it is though.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I get your point, and I tend to agree with it.

      However, if Larsson brings you two forwards Johnsson and Bracco for example….you just came close to balancing your roster without givng up any picks or prospects. Thats got to be appealing to Ken Holland. No?

    • pts2pndr says:

      He would also be a nice mentor for Broberg.

  39. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:

    -TOR beats NSH to not slide further.Muzzin played 22:37 to lead all TOR players.Big difference when he’s there.

    Jake Muzzin, a soon-to-be 31-year old defensemen looking for his Seabrook contract.
    Ditto Pieterangelo and St. Louis. Although St. Louis looks like they will let Pieterangelo walk.

    Muzzin will be a “Danger Will Robnison” contract for the Leafs.

    Will GM’s ever be able to resist paying 30-somethings?

    • Darth Tu says:

      So that’s a hard no on Hall from you then?

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        Ha…..funny….

        And did you notice…..Godot rhymes with Hardno

        Not saying we should be calling him Hard No…..buuuut….

        He does tend to see the world in black and white.

        #NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat

  40. dustrock says:

    knighttown: Goddammit OP, you’d better be right on this!

    I’d sort of settled into the notion that we might have a prime-of-his-career Cody Franson on our hands but you’ve done amped up the hype again!Can he get to those loose pucks in the corners?Can he separate guys from the puck?

    I know you put in the time and watch and re-watch most games.And I also don’t recall you getting so horny about other borderline prospects so screw it, I’m going to trust you!

    I thought Bouchard’s floor was Cody Franson. His ceiling is definitely higher.

    Definitely a better passer and transition player than Franson I think.

    Bouchard is going to tick off Oilers fans at times because his demeanour makes it seems like his “give a shit” meter isn’t working. I’ve seen it happen with too many Oilers d-men over the years.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Valid Point. AND this was driven by the sentiment often expressed by the organization itself…not just the fans.

      Hopefully things have changed.

  41. GB&Q says:

    I can’t condone veggies in the “mirco”, but i like the idea of Pavel Francouz as a backup in 20-21.

  42. leadfarmer says:

    godot10,

    I doubt St. Louis is letting Pietrangelo walk

  43. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    ” It’s like choosing stereo speakers at International Stereo in 1975: You’re walking out with something really good.”
    Damn YOU’RE good.

  44. ashley says:

    Ok music fans:

    I’m looking for singing groups/bands or songs with GREAT vocal harmonies. Examples are:

    Mumford and Sons
    The Lumineers
    Fun
    Skydiggers

    Any suggestions?

    • tileguy says:

      If you like that gospel sound, try the blind boys of Alabama.

    • Durag says:

      Needs Can-Con so I’m going to recommend The Strumbellas

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Eagles…..Seven Bridges Road…..(and all thier other songs)

      Crosby, Stills and Nash….Suite Judy Blue Eyes…Southern Cross…Teach Your Children well (and all thier other songs)

      Simon and Garfunkle….59th Street Bridge Song…. (and all thier other songs)

      Alison Krauss…Down to the River to Pray…..

      The Dixie Chicks…. Travelin Soldier…

      The Nylons….. The Lion Sleeps Tonight

      The Momas and the Papas…California Dreamin…. (and all their other songs)

      The Dobbie Brothers…. Jesus is Just Alright

      Beach Boys…..(all their songs)

      Everly Brothers…..All I Have to Do is Dream

      Commodores…..Sail On

      Orleans…. Dance With Me

      John Denver and Kass Elliot …. Leaving On A Jet Plane

      Association…..Never My Love…..Cherish

      America…. Ventura Highway..Sister Golden Hair..Lonely People

      Three Dog Night…. Out In the Country

      B.W. Stevenson……… My Maria

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        If you only pick one of these to listen to…Make it the Crosby, Stills and Nash songs.

        Harmonies are magical

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          Or

          Lou Reed…Sweet Jane from Rock n’ Roll Animal….LIVE

          No harmonies and the guy cant sing worth a sh*t…but what a song! 🙂

          • Andy Dufresne says:

            Listening to Lou Reed’s Sweet Jane makes me feel like Im hearing RocknRoll on Heroin…I see/feel WhiteLight/WhiteHeat and feel like I need to take Lady Day

            #RocknRollAnimal

    • elgruntus says:

      Matthew Sweet. Multitracked harmonies of himself, but ear candy non the less. He also released some nice work with Suzanna Hoffs

      Then there is this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJHyp3Bp3lE

    • Bag of Pucks says:

      Yes (Leave It)
      Van Halen (Happy Trails)
      Fleetwood Mac (pretty much anything)
      Extreme (More Than Words)
      The Who (Behind Blue Eyes)
      The Eagles (Hole in the World)
      Steely Dan (Kid Charlemagne)

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      The missus suggests:

      The Strumbellas
      The Head and the Heart
      Great Lake Swimmers

    • ashley says:

      Andy Dufresne,

      Thanks everyone! Lots to listen to. Much appreciated.

      A

  45. dustrock says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    I get your point, and I tend to agree with it.

    However, if Larsson brings you two forwards Johnsson and Bracco for example….you just came close to balancing your roster without givng up any picks or prospects. Thats got to be appealing to Ken Holland. No?

    Yeah, I guess the option is to trade someone like Larsson and grab Johnsonn/Kapanen and Bracco, and then see if there’s a decent RHD veteran replacement for Larsson you can grab in free agency or from another team.

    But Holland doesn’t really seem like that aggressive a GM.

  46. Eh Team says:

    who: Trade Benning. Try and trade Russell, even if you have to add, or retain salary.

    Is Benning > Larsson? Quite possibly he is. Then the trade is Larsson for a forward in season this year. Bouchard should certainly get in 9 games and be ready for the playoffs. More if we need him to make the playoffs. We are still playing Russell, and Bouchard must be a better NHL player right now than Russell is.

    And call Benson up, right now.

    We seem to have such a fear of throwing rookies in, but Bear, Yamo and Jones seem to be doing pretty well. No reason that Benson and Bouchard would be any different. If they are ready, you need to play them. It’s not like the bottom half of our roster is keeping them out of the NHL

  47. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    If KH can pull together a 50 man resembling that for next fall ..that is a damn fine line-up. Still a few soft spots (i.e., G)…
    One would have to think if he pulls something like this off, the long awaited, much anticipated, balance photo is not far behind…

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      much anticipated……..but no pressure…. 🙂

      True Story:

      The day after Leonardo Da Vinci finished the Mona Lisa…his Agent called…..What else ya got?…..he asked…. 🙂

  48. BONE207 says:

    LT: So put the veggies in the mirco (micro) and set the table, because it’s close.

    Potatoes are a vegetable. Forget the frozen stuff.
    Say happy birthday to Terry Harper.

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: Yeah, I guess the option is to trade someone like Larsson and grab Johnsonn/Kapanen and Bracco, and then see if there’s a decent RHD veteran replacement for Larsson you can grab in free agency or from another team.

    But Holland doesn’t really seem like that aggressive a GM.

    If we trade Larsson, we almost have to keep Russell. I think the coaches are likely more comfortable with this than we are. Coaches seem to love Russell. It’s risky but makes sense. Trade Larsson and get an actual player. Trade Russell and we have to add picks to do it. Not advocating this logic either way.

  50. Harpers Hair says:

    ashley:
    Ok music fans:

    I’m looking for singing groups/bands or songs with GREAT vocal harmonies.Examples are:

    Mumford and Sons
    The Lumineers
    Fun
    Skydiggers

    Any suggestions?

    Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

    Allison Krause and Union Station.

    Anyone signing with Linda Ronstadt.

    And then, there’s this:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2FWAbXinY

  51. dustrock says:

    ashley:
    Ok music fans:

    I’m looking for singing groups/bands or songs with GREAT vocal harmonies.Examples are:

    Mumford and Sons
    The Lumineers
    Fun
    Skydiggers

    Any suggestions?

    Nice to Skydiggers repped there.

    Like how far back are we talking?

    Beach Boys
    Byrds
    Eagles
    SImon & Garfunkel
    Bee Gees
    CSNY
    Bad Religion
    REM
    ABBA
    Fleetwood Mac

    More recently:
    Alice in Chains
    Fleet Foxes
    First Aid Kit

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    MushedPeas:
    Amen ^

    I think the ELC burns no matter what?
    Pretty sure you mean RFA years.

    Nope, his ELC is subject to another slide this year if he doesn’t play 10 NHL games.

    If he doesn’t play 10 NHL games, the 1st year of his 3 year ELC starts next season.

    • dustrock says:

      Esoteric and unlikely scenario: if Bouchard gets called up with 8 games left because Bear and Larsson get injured, and the Oilers make the playoffs – do the playoff games count towards the ELC?

  53. LadiesloveSmid says:

    UFA Fs of interest:
    -Hall
    -Pageau
    -Kreider
    -Mikael Granlund
    -Toffoli
    -Fast
    -Haula
    -Leivo
    -Ennis
    -Janmark
    -Namestnikov
    -Sheary
    -Smith
    -Wilson

    Throwing money @ Kassian is not the play.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    sopolar:
    OriginalPouzar,

    agree with the rest, but re 3.), i believe his elc burns regardless of where he plays this year — chlers only slide if they’re in the chl, and bouchard’s DOB likely makes him ineligible unless as an overager.

    Sorry but this is incorrect.

    Whether an ELC slides or not to do with age of the player at signing, current age and NHL games played.

    There is no differentiation as between CHL games and AHL games – its a 10 NHL game threshold.

    Bouchard’s ELC is 100% subject to slide again this year if he does not play 10 NHL games. I’m 100% certain – via review of the CBA as well as conversations with PuckPedia.

  55. who says:

    Eh Team: Is Benning > Larsson?Quite possibly he is.Then the trade is Larsson for a forward in season this year. Bouchard should certainly get in 9 games and be ready for the playoffs.More if we need him to make the playoffs.We are still playing Russell, and Bouchard must be a better NHL player right now than Russell is.

    And call Benson up, right now.

    We seem to have such a fear of throwing rookies in, but Bear, Yamo and Jones seem to be doing pretty well.No reason that Benson and Bouchard would be any different.If they are ready, you need to play them.It’s not like the bottom half of our roster is keeping them out of the NHL

    If you think Benning is better than Larrson then I can follow your reasoning. I don’t.
    Seems like everyone rates Benning higher the longer he’s out of the lineup. Is that because we feel his loss more with each passing game? Or is it because we actually forget what the player looks like on the ice and just look at his fancy stats?
    His numbers look good. I won’t deny it. But every time I watch him play I struggle to see anything more than a bottom pairing dman. And every time the Oilers try to move him up the lineup he seems to fail. 3 separate coaches have chosen to replace him with Kris Russell at 2RD. Are they all wrong?

  56. bwar says:

    Did a quick run of what the cap would look like with the proposed roster. I might be out on a few of the signing numbers but ended up at $87,221,999 cap hit. The signings were:
    Hoffman $7M
    Nurse $7M (not worth $7M but that’s my guess of what he signs for)
    Kassian $3.5M
    Bear $2.5M
    Francouz $2M
    Benning $2M (qualifying offer)
    Everyone else at $1M

    I’m probably on the low side for Hoffman and hopefully I’m too high on Nurse.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    How are Evan’s transitions looking?His straight ahead speed was always underrated, his backwards speed at the top of his class but his biggest skating deficiency has always been transitions between the two.

    He is a zone exit and zone entry savant.

    We knew he could pass the puck and his accuracy on the breakout pass is splendid. He has increased his “urgency” in puck retrieval and transition as well.

    Where I have been pleasantly surprised is his transition by skate – its similar and different than Nurse – he has solid straight line acceleration but not the lateral movement that Nurse has. With that said, once he powers out of the zone and is in the neutral zone (or offensive zone), he has the offensive IQ to make the smart play.

  58. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    ashley:
    Ok music fans:

    I’m looking for singing groups/bands or songs with GREAT vocal harmonies.Examples are:

    Mumford and Sons
    The Lumineers
    Fun
    Skydiggers

    Any suggestions?

    Fleet Foxes
    Blind Boys of Alabama

  59. GB&Q says:

    ashley,

    Low
    The Civil Wars
    Rheostatics
    Angus & Julia Stone
    Earl Greyhound
    Drive-By Truckers

  60. ArmchairGM says:

    Lowetide: On defense, there are two true offensive drivers in Joel Persson and Evan Bouchard. Persson, like Slepyshev, is an older player so his totals have to be viewed through a different lens than someone like Bouchard.

    You’ve obviously never heard of Brogan Rafferty!

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    Looks like we’ll get Rittich tomorrow as this is the flames lineup for tonight (and I hope these are the flames lines tomorrow as well):

    Mangiapane-Lindholm-Tkachuk
    Gaudreau-Monahan-Ryan
    Bennett-Backlund-Robinson
    Lucic-Jankowski-Dube

    Giordano-Brodie
    Hanifin-Hamonic
    Kylington-Andersson

    Talbot

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    DarthTu:
    Speaking of cap space, I present my ridiculously crappy idea for the day. Well it’s more of a crappy question:

    – The portion of the Lucic contract that we carry.Is there a way it can be exorcised from our cap hit? As in, can we somehow deal an asset and package in the Lucic cap hit and dump it unceremoniously on someone else? I get that it’s only $750,000, but that’s still a league minimum player when all is said and done.

    Obviously the main issues with this are most teams being hard up against the cap, and how much of a sweetener would need to be offered to make it worth someone’s while to take on the $750 k.Is it even worth bothering with, and do we just eat the cap?

    The reason I ask is, that as some have pointed out numerous times, between the Lucic retention, the Pouliot buyout ($1.33 million), and the Sekera buyout ($2.5 million), the Oilers have approximately $4.58 million in dead space going into next season.That’s a goal scoring winger’s worth of salary.

    Can’t trade retained salary.

  63. Oil2Oilers says:

    The link to Janis at Monterey made my morning, Momma Kass’s jaw is literally dropped in the audience.

    Holland would get a Valentine’s wish from me if he calls up Benson and plays him with skill, trades Russell for Cody Eakin and signs Beat to a $30M/7 year contract.

    Bouchard can arrive next year or as playoff cover ala PK Suban’s amazing Habs debut.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    MushedPeas:
    Now i’m thoroughly confused. Hasn’t this blog been hammering for years the point that ELC years are burned by seasons in the pros, whether minor or major (AHL or NHL)?

    Huh.

    Its a common misconception and, as indicated by myself and WG, false.

    Its almost as common as the misconception that a one-way contract vs. two-way contract has an impact on waiver exemption/eligibility.

  65. godot10 says:

    dustrock:
    Esoteric and unlikely scenario: if Bouchard gets called up with 8 games left because Bear and Larsson get injured, and the Oilers make the playoffs – do the playoff games count towards the ELC?

    Yes. See Sam Bennett.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Stuart Skinner named AHL player of the week – he went 3-1-0 with a 1.50 GAA and .946%.

  67. TheGreatBigMac says:

    And call Benson up, right now.

    We seem to have such a fear of throwing rookies in, but Bear, Yamo and Jones seem to be doing pretty well.No reason that Benson and Bouchard would be any different.If they are ready, you need to play them.It’s not like the bottom half of our roster is keeping them out of the NHL

    First and second year NHL players don’t need to be protected in the 2021 Seattle expansion draft. If we don’t call them up this year then that is two players that won’t have to be protected. So I would leave them be.

  68. godot10 says:

    TheGreatBigMac: First and second year NHL players don’t need to be protected in the 2021 Seattle expansion draft.If we don’t call them up this year then that is two players that won’t have to be protected.So I would leave them be.

    First and second year pros. Not NHL players.

    Benson requires protection. Bouchard will not.

  69. ArmchairGM says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    I’d rather pay Adam Larsson $4M on the third pair for the remainder of his contract than Kris Russell.He’s an ideal mentor for the likes of Caleb or Willie.

    That said, if he can play next year at or near his current level, we could run another full year of 1A/1B pairings like in 2017.

    Having Benning as a 7D isn’t the worst spot to be in the world.

    I agree. Larsson would be a very good mentor to Jones / Lagesson while Klefbom mentors Bouchard – similar to what happened early this season with Klefbom-Persson.

    • pts2pndr says:

      Better mentor for Broberg as an incentive to come over next year. In my opinion his veteran leadership and physical play is very important to the team as a whole. Intangibles are in many cases the difference in a championship team versus an also ran ( see Vancouver Canucks ) as an example. Russel brings a veteran quality that is also not appreciated by many of our community. I remember the six team NHL where the reigning Stanley cup team played the all stars from the remaining teams. As I recall the all star team won very few of these games even with Bobby Orr on their team. Having the best players does not necessarily equate to having the best team!

      • Material Elvis says:

        I’d leave Broberg in Sweden for another season. He’s not ready for the NHL yet.

        • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

          Same here. Broberg should follow the Klefbom model unless he spikes in a massive way.

  70. PunjabiOil says:

    Speeds confirmed that Bouchard’s contract would slide.

    The Oilers will need cap efficiencies so its likely ideal he spend the rest of the season in the AHL.

    Stauffer indicated yesterday his sense is the Oilers aren’t urgent to call up Benson. Contradicting his reports last week.

  71. LadiesloveSmid says:

    I’d probably hold onto Larsson until his contract runs out.

    Bouchard-Bear-Larsson is a solid right side.

    Klefbom-Nurse-Jones is a solid left side.

    All about pinching the pennies in goal/up front to afford more play driving forwards. Yamamoto’s 900K contract is helpful. Puljujarvi could be another cheap solution.

    No $3M+ contracts to the Gagners/Kassians of the world.

    Play hardball with Darnell

  72. Andy Dufresne says:

    Random (Savant) Thought O’ The Day:

    Karen Carpenter was a musical Savant / Virtuoso

  73. Reja says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I’d probably hold onto Larsson until his contract runs out.

    Bouchard-Bear-Larsson is a solid right side.

    Klefbom-Nurse-Jones is a solid left side.

    All about pinching the pennies in goal/up front to afford more play driving forwards. Yamamoto’s 900K contract is helpful. Puljujarvi could be another cheap solution.

    No $3M+ contracts to the Gagners/Kassians of the world.

    Play hardball with Darnell

    If you play to hard it could backfire on you. A happy worker is a productive worker.

  74. doritogrande says:

    All about pinching the pennies in goal/up front to afford more play driving forwards

    This may be true with some GMs, but I don’t think this is how Ken Holland is wired. Be prepared for a run at Holtby, folks.

  75. duct tape and foil says:

    International Stereo, man that brings back memories of my Carver holographic pre-amp and 200 watt cube amp. Hard to believe my parents didn’t exile me given the racket coming out of the basement.

    Patience with both Benson and Bouchard. Their time is coming but it’s not just yet, especially for Bouchard. Let the trade deadline get here and perhaps we ship Khaira out to make room on LW for Benson. Add a 3C and that’s a nice upgrade for the stretch run.

    Please stop trading the only veteran RD we have who is capable of physically handling big, skilled aggressive forwards. Bear, Bouchard, Benning would get run over by a team like the Blues. Russell and Benning are the guys you move and you can make the call on Larsson next year at this time.

    Skinner is going to be good but he’s at least another full season away from NHL time. He’s got the talent but needs to develop the focus and consistency and both have a ways to go.

  76. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    MushedPeas:
    Now i’m thoroughly confused. Hasn’t this blog been hammering for years the point that ELC years are burned by seasons in the pros, whether minor or major (AHL or NHL)?

    Huh.

    Now you’re going to make me read the CBA again.

    You’re right that capfriendly might have that a bit wrong.

    I remember the RFA years sliding, but still burning an ELC year.

    So if Bouchard started the year with 7 RFA years and 3 ELC years owed to EDM and his contract slid then he would start next year with 7 RFA years and 2 ELC years owed to EDM.

    Stay tuned while I go hunting.

  77. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Now you’re going to make me read the CBA again.

    You’re right that capfriendly might have that a bit wrong.

    I remember the RFA years sliding, but still burning an ELC year.

    So if Bouchard started the year with 7 RFA years and 3 ELC years owed to EDM and his contract slid then he would start next year with 7 RFA years and 2 ELC years owed to EDM.

    Stay tuned while I go hunting.

    Nope, capfriendly had it right (natch)

    CBA 9.1
    (d) (i) In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a
    Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season
    under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry
    Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that
    this automatic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to
    Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December
    31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club
    expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player’s SPC is extended an
    additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC,
    with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary,
    games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
    however, that the Player’s Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
    circumstances.

    9.1(d)
    (ii) In the event that a Player signs his first SPC at age 18 and has had his SPC
    extended pursuant to Subsection (i), and such Player does not play at least
    ten (10) NHL Games in the second season under that SPC, then the term
    of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be
    extended for one (1) additional year. Unless a Player and Club expressly
    agree to the contrary, in the event a Player’s SPC is extended an additional
    year in accordance with this Subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the
    exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games
    played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided,
    however, that the Player’s Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all
    circumstances.

    (iii) In the event a Player ceases to render his playing services called for under
    his SPC (except as a result of injury, illness or disability) during such
    period that he is in the Entry Level System, then during such non-playing
    period, the Player’s number of years in the Entry Level System shall be
    extended for a period equal to the remaining unfulfilled portion of his
    SPC.

    (iv) The return dates to Major Juniors (as established by Agreement between
    the NHL and the Canadian Hockey League, dated May 2, 1995 (or any
    successor or similar agreement so long as there is no material change in
    those return dates)), and the minor leagues (as set forth in Section 8.7) are
    hereby confirmed and affirmed and are continued during the term of this
    Agreement and any extension hereof (e.g., return dates, prohibition on
    sending underage players to minors).

  78. StixMalone says:

    Haha all this stereo talk! LT thanks for the memory trip I bought my first stereo at International stereo downtown Edmonton! It was a Harmon Kardon receiver, Dual turntable, and Vega Linear speakers ( which I still own and still sound killer ) great quality electronics back then….

  79. Munny says:

    PunjabiOil: Stauffer indicated yesterday his sense is the Oilers aren’t urgent to call up Benson. Contradicting his reports last week.

    I’m not sure what the urgency would be?

    To see if Benson can unlock Chiasson on the 4th line?

    He gets more TOI, and more Important-TOI at that, in Bako. There is nothing wrong with him being there.

    We already have Bear, Jones, Yama, Haas, Nygard, PRusty playing as rooks on the big squad. Persson too if he returns. That’s a lot of players to be breaking into the League at one time.

  80. pts2pndr says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    I’d probably hold onto Larsson until his contract runs out.

    Bouchard-Bear-Larsson is a solid right side.

    Klefbom-Nurse-Jones is a solid left side.

    All about pinching the pennies in goal/up front to afford more play driving forwards. Yamamoto’s 900K contract is helpful. Puljujarvi could be another cheap solution.

    No $3M+ contracts to the Gagners/Kassians of the world.

    Play hardball with Darnell

    Jones on his best day is not a replacement for Nurse unless you are talking about his older brother. Familiarity breeds contempt. If you feel that Nurse is not the answer you move him for a top six forward. In my opinion you if you let it be known Nurse is available for a young top six forward you would have a number of teams interested including Toronto and Winnipeg. I would not be adverse to shopping him but the price would be high. It would be an Ehlers type forward at a minimum. NURSE has value. He may not be a prototypical number one but he is a first pairing D with intangibles and durable.

  81. RISTOOOOO SILTANEN!!!! says:

    Lowetide: JBL’s were fabulous! I had a Dual turntable and a Pioneer amp, but couldn’t afford JBL’s. The guy at International Stereo got me a great pair of speakers from aCanadian company (Audio Tech) that lasted me a decade and were quality. Those guys were so good at their jobs. Customer service never sounded better.

    They shopped the world for us.
    Wasn’t it Richard Marx who sang the jingle?

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    EhTeam: Is Benning > Larsson?Quite possibly he is.Then the trade is Larsson for a forward in season this year. Bouchard should certainly get in 9 games and be ready for the playoffs.More if we need him to make the playoffs.We are still playing Russell, and Bouchard must be a better NHL player right now than Russell is.

    And call Benson up, right now.

    We seem to have such a fear of throwing rookies in, but Bear, Yamo and Jones seem to be doing pretty well.No reason that Benson and Bouchard would be any different.If they are ready, you need to play them.It’s not like the bottom half of our roster is keeping them out of the NHL

    Giving Bouchard 9 games and then playoffs make the 9 games a non-threshold as the 10 NHL games to burn a year of his ELC is regular season plus playoffs.

    Is Bouchard a “better player” than Russell – in many areas, yes – transition, PP accumen, etc. Of course, PK, defending the one-goal lead in the last few minutes, etc., probably not.

    If there is a hockey trade out there for Larsson, to get a forward with term back, or if there is a way to get rid of Russell’s cap hit for next season clean then, yes, Holland needs to think about pulling the trigger but d-men should not be moved in the name of opening up spots for a guy like Bouchard. He’ll arrive when he arrives and its likely next year and the future will be brighter for it.

    What’s the current need to call Benson up? The team is 6-1-1 in 2010 and has scored 33 goals in those 8 games and have not been reliant upon McDavid for the production and the wins – there has been scoring among 3 lines over the last while.

    I’m excited to see Benson make his debut and, yes, hopefully before the deadline, but, given how the team has been playing and scoring, he likely needs to wait for an injury or a drop in team production – either could happen very quickly.

  83. blainer says:

    I would have picked Dobson over Bouchard and still believe he will be the better player.

    • Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

      Agreed and I think there are quite a few who do, too. A fair deal who wanted Wahlstrom, as well and they’re likely not feeling all that good about that one.

      • Side says:

        Is Wahlstrom not developing well? I recognize his name and know he was highly touted on this board so I am intrigued.

        • Material Elvis says:

          His draft + 1 year was very disappointing. 19 points in 36 NCAA games. This year he has 12 points in 27 AHL games (4 goals) so I would say that he is not tracking very well.

    • Material Elvis says:

      Do you still believe that the Oilers will finish with 65 points?

  84. Munny says:

    MushedPeas:
    Now i’m thoroughly confused. Hasn’t this blog been hammering for years the point that ELC years are burned by seasons in the pros, whether minor or major (AHL or NHL)?

    Huh.

    In most cases the discussions were solely about NHL games, not AHL, because anyone coming out of the CHL could not go to the AHL.

    But the Slide applies to any League other than the NHL. Thus Broberg’s ELC will slide this year despite the fact he is playing Major Pro Hockey in the SEL this year.

  85. Glovjuice says:

    Big system: Arcam/Project sources / Plinius amplification / Sonus Faber Cremona

    Small system: Rega/Rega sources / Anthem amplification / Sonus Faber Concertino / Rel sub

  86. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Excellent recommendation by LT on his show for this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRD3vrSLPaw

    I’m sure most here are familiar with Stan Rogers’ “Northwest Passage”

    Make sure to listen past the 2min mark.

  87. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Munny: In most cases the discussions were solely about NHL games, not AHL, because anyone coming out of the CHL could not go to the AHL.

    But the Slide applies to any League other than the NHL.Thus Broberg’s ELC will slide this year despite the fact he is playing Major Pro Hockey in the SEL this year.

    THAT’S WHAT I REMEMBER!!

    If they play more than 10 NHL games one ELC year is burned.

    If they play less than X (not sure of the number, will look it up) NHL games then a RFA year IS NOT tolled and they keep an RFA year while burning a ELC year.

    ie) Drai burned a ELC year but not a RFA year when he played 37 games in 14/15

    Thanks for the trigger, I knew something else was there.

  88. Bag of Pucks says:

    international Stereo was great. Still have a good sounding pair of Technics speakers from them. Analog or death!!!

    But Audio Ark and National Music had the serious shiznit.

    If I ever win the lottery, some Bang & Olufsen rep will be earning a commission the size of LT’s veggie waver. Why am I picturing the one the maid used in the Brady Brunch?

  89. who says:

    blainer:
    I would have picked Dobson over Bouchard and still believe he will be the better player.

    I agreed at the time. Mainly because I saw Dobson dominant the Memorial cup as a 17 year old and I hadn’t seen Bouchard play. Also Dobson was rated the better skater
    We’ll see how it plays out.

    • Material Elvis says:

      The Islanders have a very strange development plan for him. He has been in the NHL, scratched, for the majority of the season. He’s probably a better defender than Bouchard, but Bouchard will definitely put up more offense. I prefer the way the Oilers are developing Bouch.

      • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

        Totally. This is the way it is supposed to be. Work on things that need work in the AHL, then come up if those things can be improved. It would seem that Bouch was going through some adjustments as his game focus was on improving some elements of his game. Now that those new good habits are becoming ingrained, he can open up a bit to his long term strengths.

        Imagine if the Oilers were allowed to do this with JP? Oh, where would we be…?

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: THAT’S WHAT I REMEMBER!!

    If they play more than 10 NHL games one ELC year is burned.

    If they play less than X (not sure of the number, will look it up)NHL games then a RFA year IS NOT tolled and they keep an RFA year while burning a ELC year.

    ie) Drai burned a ELC year but not a RFA year when he played 37 games in 14/15

    Thanks for the trigger, I knew something else was there.

    From the CBA definitions:

    “Accrued Season” means any League Year during which a Player was on a
    Club’s Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
    provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games
    missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club’s Active Roster shall count as
    games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in
    which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.

    Ok, so the bar to toll a year on the RFA deal is 40 games on the active roster for forwards.

    Will now dig up the part of the RFA stuff that refers to the accrued year.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Esoteric and unlikely scenario: if Bouchard gets called up with 8 games left because Bear and Larsson get injured, and the Oilers make the playoffs – do the playoff games count towards the ELC?

    Yes, they do.

  92. dustrock says:

    Side:
    Is Wahlstrom not developing well? I recognize his name and know he was highly touted on this board so I am intrigued.

    Scott Wheeler is ranking all 31 teams’ prospects and for the Islanders said Wahlstrom can fire the puck and is strong, but his skating isn’t strong and he’s not sure he processes the game fast enough to be a first line player. (And Wheeler had him ranked 5th in the draft).

  93. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    LT, any chance International Stereo was a client of yours in the CFRN days?
    2+2 = 4…or 5?

  94. dustrock says:

    Dobson is playing around 10 minutes per game under Trotz and by all accounts, doing quite well. I’d argue Bouchard could be doing the same in Edmonton, although Dobson is a better skater.

  95. Material Elvis says:

    dustrock: Scott Wheeler is ranking all 31 teams’ prospects and for the Islanders said Wahlstrom can fire the puck and is strong, but his skating isn’t strong and he’s not sure he processes the game fast enough to be a first line player.(And Wheeler had him ranked 5th in the draft).

    First line player? He might not crack their lineup……ever.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    AndyDufresne:
    12 more weeks like that and I’ll get excited

    It is good news though.

    Well, he has been playing like that for longer than a week.

    6-3 with a .930% over his last 9 (credit: Willis).

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    TheGreatBigMac: First and second year NHL players don’t need to be protected in the 2021 Seattle expansion draft.If we don’t call them up this year then that is two players that won’t have to be protected.So I would leave them be.

    Benson will be subject to the expansion draft and Bouchard will be exempt.

    Whether they play in the AHL or NHL is of no consequence.

    Benson will be applicable even if he play zero NHL games.

    Bouchard will be exempt even if he plays 100 NHL games.

    Essentially, anyone that turned pro this year, exempt, anyone that turned pro prior, subject to the draft.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Unlike the last expansion draft, we’re going to lose a good player.

      ~Unless Kenny can convince them to take Khaira…by throwing in a sweetner…like Neal 🙂 ~

  98. knighttown says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Evan Bouchard has a Unicorn aspect to him.

    He’s the only Defensemen I’ve ever heard of where they are trying to Coach the calm out of him.

    Seriously…Ive never heard of that happening before. Coaches usually spend alot of time trying to coach elite prospects how to be more calm under pressure.

    Ive flip flopped from “Its good he’s so calm” to “this worries me”…back to “Its good hes so calm”…

    Justin Schultz

  99. Andy Dufresne says:

    WTF……….Dont you people have work to do?!

  100. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Maybe I didn’t phrase my question well because you missed the crux of my question. I’ll try again from a different angle.

    How is his transition from skating forwards to backwards? Have the actual mechanics of his skating between the two directions improved visibly? Specifically, when he recognizes he has to start moving south to protect the zone but keep the opposing player in front oh him: how’s that movement look where he makes the change in the direction he’s facing?

    Of the attributes he didn’t grade favourably on in various scouting reports that was the one I haven’t seen you comment on yet as an area of improvement.

    Thanks, btw, for the frequent prospect updates.

  101. LadiesloveSmid says:

    blainer,

    I wanted Wahlstrom over Bouchard, and I mean time will tell, but I look like an idiot again.

    I pray I’m wrong on Broberg too

  102. Bulging Twine says:

    Recently I found that of the 190 top 6 ish FW’s (15:00 minutes/game, 35+ games)(6.1 per team), this is where they came from:

    116 first round 61.1%

    26 round 2 – 13.7%

    17 round 3 – 8.9%

    7 round 4 – 3.7%

    3 round 5 – 1.6%

    7 round 6 – 3.7%

    4 rd 7 – 2.1%

    10 undrafted – 5.3%

    I wanted to get the breakdown for top10 picks, middle 10 and last third of the 1st round.

    Here it is:

    1-10:
    60 of the 190 – 31.6% of the leagues top 6 FW’s. Almost 2 per team
    51.7% of 1st rounders

    11-20:
    28 – 14.7% of the 190 NHL top 6 FW’s
    24.1% of 1st rounders that are top 6

    21-end of 1st:
    interestingly it is exactly the same as the middle 10

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      As many came undrafted as from rounds 4 and 5 combined.

      Who was it….Garth Snow?….offered all his picks 2-7 to move up and grab another first rounder???…or did he offer all 7 of his picks for the 1stOV ??

    • Bulging Twine says:

      I got curious about those top 10 FW selections. How often are their misses on the picks? I will judge by top 6 FW seasons played. If a top 10 selection plays less than 2 such seasons I would consider that a big miss of a top 10 choice.

      From 2003 to 2013 there were 71 Forwards chosen in the top 10.

      Of those, 7 failed to play 1 top 6 FW season (15:00/per game)

      4 played only 1 top 6 FW season

      11 misses of 71 picks is a 15.5% miss rate

      84.5% hit rate

      • Bulging Twine says:

        Here are the 7 top 10 draft picks who didn’t play any top 6 FW seasons:

        Alexandre Picard – 2004 – Columbus – 8th
        Gilbert Brule – 2005 – Columbus – 6th
        Jack Skille – 2005 – Chicago – 7th
        Zach Hamill – 2007 – Boston – 8th
        Nikita Filatov – 2008 – Columbus – 6th
        Scott Glennie – 2009 – Dallas – 8th
        Valeri Nichushkin – 2013 – Dallas – 10th

        Columbus! Seriously. And more recently Dallas. Only 7 complete and total whiffs and they have 5 of them combined.

        • Bulging Twine says:

          The 4 top 10ers who have played only 1 top 6 FW season:

          James Sheppard – Minnesota – 2006 – 9th – 82gp 15:11 in 08-09
          Magnus Paajarvi – Edmonton – 2009 – 10th – 80gp 15:23 in 10-11
          Brett Connolly – Tampa Bay – 2010 – 6th – 15:03 in 19-20
          Nail Yakupov – Edmonton – 2012 – 1st – 81gp 15:27 in 14-15

          Oilers!

          • Bulging Twine says:

            That #1 overall stands out amongst the whiffs. That is a colossal sin.

            Jesse Puljujarvi from the 2016 draft. #4 overall has yet to play a top 6 season. If he becomes a whiff….at #4…..these things cannot happen.

          • Bulging Twine says:

            As I look at these players and look for common themes (aside from the team) – from the ones I am familiar with I would say that they had individual talents but perhaps hockey sense or an ability to make plays with other players was a shortcoming. Their ability to see the ice, read what’s going on.

            Puljujarvi hasn’t shown this ability yet at the NHL level either. I sure saw it at the short sample world jr’s though (I didn’t see any of his games in Finland that year).

            Yakupov and Puljujarvi can get open for a pass reception and shot. With JP it’s his failure to make a good play to a teammate if the shot or skating with the puck option isn’t there. Or hasn’t shown up yet.

  103. blainer says:

    Material Elvis:
    Do you still believe that the Oilers will finish with 65 points?

    LOL.. Nope.. and very happy about it too. Thought for sure that goaltending duo was gonna screw us.. I’ve been very optimistic with this team over the years but the one year I go pessimistic this happens.. Maybe I jinxed them in a good way !!

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      In a Material way !!

      *drops the mic*

      (Ladies and Gentlemen…Elvis has left the building…. 🙂 )

  104. blainer says:

    Material Elvis:
    The Islanders have a very strange development plan for him.He has been in the NHL, scratched, for the majority of the season.He’s probably a better defender than Bouchard, but Bouchard will definitely put up more offense.I prefer the way the Oilers are developing Bouch.

    I agree on the develpment for sure. Man it seems strange the Oilers actually developing players properly. I guess you could say they did a good job with Nurse also.

  105. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: From the CBA definitions:

    “Accrued Season” means any League Year during which a Player was on a
    Club’s Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games,
    provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games
    missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club’s Active Roster shall count as
    games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in
    which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.

    Ok, so the bar to toll a year on the RFA deal is 40 games on the active roster for forwards.

    Will now dig up the part of the RFA stuff that refers to the accrued year.

    I can’t find it and am tired of squinting at the CBA.

  106. blainer says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    blainer,

    I wanted Wahlstrom over Bouchard, and I mean time will tell, but I look like an idiot again.

    I pray I’m wrong on Broberg too

    Your not the only one that looks like an idiot..lol I had the oilers at 66 points for the year !!

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Im sure you meant 65 pts prior to the Trade Deadline…..so you’re still in this thing!

  107. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock:
    Dobson is playing around 10 minutes per game under Trotz and by all accounts, doing quite well.I’d argue Bouchard could be doing the same in Edmonton, although Dobson is a better skater.

    Dobson cannot go to the AHL. It was either the NHL or back to junior. Stupid rule that benefits only junior hockey teams, not players or NHL teams.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      I’m not a fan of the rule in broad strokes but do appreciate the reasoning behind it. Every year the owners of CHL teams see a mass exodus of their top players which hurts the product they can put on the ice.

      IMO there should be an exemption for one or two players per NHL club (but a maximum of one per CHL team) who deserve to make the jump to the AHL ahead of schedule. That would have helped guys like Bouchard ramp up their development without spinning their wheels against their age group.

    • godot10 says:

      The rule benefits NHL teams bigly. The CHL produces most of the players for the NHL. The rule prevents the tragedy of the commons, and maintains the quality of play in the CHL.

      Lamorello is an old American. So he doesn’t care if he pisses on the CHL.

      • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

        That may be true in the broad scope, but it’s arguably worse for exceptional CHL players who don’t meet the age threshold and spend an extra year in a league where they can dominate their peers — reinforcing bad habits — but aren’t eligible to move up to the AHL if they don’t make the NHL squad.

        If Bouch had a full year in BAK under his belt already, we’d be having a vastly different conversation this year regarding roster composition.

  108. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    CFRN Days???

    DID you know Tiger Goldstick??? …Eric Neville?? ….. Muskeg?

    Popcorn Playhouse.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    MaterialElvis:
    I’d leave Broberg in Sweden for another season.He’s not ready for the NHL yet.

    Nope but AHL ready.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just a few months until we get Berglund under contract (*fingers/crossed*).

    We can just slip the current Skelfeeta pairing on to the Condors!

  111. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Micah Blake McCurdy has EDM’s playoff chances at 69% (nice) today.

    Dom Luszczyszyn has EDM at 70%.

  112. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Reja: Popcorn Playhouse.

    I won a King Kong board game on Popcorn Playhouse.

    True story.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      It was a great kids show and Eric Neville brought a wierd sort of “talking to kids” adult humour into it.

      Glad for you that you are a PCPH Alumni….My wife is too. Sadly somehow I never made the cut….

      How I yearned for a handful of Golden Nuggets.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    PunjabiOil:
    Speeds confirmed that Bouchard’s contract would slide.

    The Oilers will need cap efficiencies so its likely ideal he spend the rest of the season in the AHL.

    Stauffer indicated yesterday his sense is the Oilers aren’t urgent to call up Benson.Contradicting his reports last week.

    Not to sound pretentious or anything, and I respect Speeds and the work he does, but I “confirmed” this months ago and have posted it many times on this blog and prior in today’s comments.

    Sorry, just don’t feel we “needed” a “Speeds confirmation”.

    • Jethro Tull says:

      Toot Toot!

      If your take away from this was PJO was trying to subvert the work you did in anyway, eat a snickers or the healthy equivalent that gives you that serotonin boost.

      Feel better?

      You do good work OP, we know you do.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      No pretense. I can coroborate OP’s multiple disclosures.

      (Im not a lawyer….but a play one on the interwebs 🙂 )

  114. Gerta Rauss says:

    ashley:
    Ok music fans:

    I’m looking for singing groups/bands or songs with GREAT vocal harmonies.Examples are:

    Mumford and Sons
    The Lumineers
    Fun
    Skydiggers

    Any suggestions?

    Dada

    A trio out of southern California

    These 2 are off their first album

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqPVZgALpPc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLR59yM_gtQ

    • Alfieboy says:

      Earth Wind & Fire
      Poco
      Crowded House (esp the Together Alone and Woodface albums)
      Level 42
      Pernice Brothers
      Simon & Garfunkel (of course)
      Teenage Fanclub
      Fountains of Wayne
      Jayhawks
      Seals & Crofts

  115. Bulging Twine says:

    Recently I found that of the 190 top 6 ish FW’s (15:00 minutes/game, 35+ games)(6.1 per team), this is where they came from:

    116 first round 61.1%
    26 round 2 – 13.7%
    17 round 3 – 8.9%
    7 round 4 – 3.7%
    3 round 5 – 1.6%
    7 round 6 – 3.7%
    4 rd 7 – 2.1%
    10 undrafted – 5.3%

    I wanted to find out more about those 2nd rounders assuming that most came from the top 10 of the second round. Here is what I found:

    7 came from the top 10 picks of the 2nd round that is 27% of the 2nd round picks

    6 came from the middle of the second round – 23%

    13 came from the last third of the 2nd round – 50%

  116. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I won a King Kong board game on Popcorn Playhouse.

    True story.

    I got to pan for gold and was disappointed to find out they were nickels wrapped in tin foil

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Nope but AHL ready.

    The way Howson talked about Brogerg on Stauffer’s show I wouldn’t be surprised to see him spend another year in the SHL.

    Howson said it would be up to Broberg and EDM was very conscious of not forcing him to move if he didn’t want to.

    I think they want to go to lengths of avoiding another JP situation if the player isn’t comfortable.

    Broberg was one of the youngest players in the draft and still doesn’t turn 19 until June.

    If he were drafted out of the CHL he still wouldn’t be AHL eligible next season. Lots of DMen don’t go to the AHL in their draft +2 and are fine.

    Won’t stop everyone from screaming BUST if he decides to stay another year though.

  118. bwar says:

    Reja: If you play to hard it could backfire on you. A happy worker is a productive worker.

    I think that’s already been proven wrong based on Nurse’s last contract ordeal. I’m very concerned that Nurse’s camp is going to start negotiations at upwords of $8M and that would just be a cap killer.

  119. bwar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The way Howson talked about Brogerg on Stauffer’s show I wouldn’t be surprised to see him spend another year in the SHL.

    Howson said it would be up to Broberg and EDM was very conscious of not forcing him to move if he didn’t want to.

    I think they want to go to lengths of avoiding another JP situation if the player isn’t comfortable.

    Broberg was one of the youngest players in the draft and still doesn’t turn 19 until June.

    If he were drafted out of the CHL he still wouldn’t be AHL eligible next season.Lots of DMen don’t go to the AHL in their draft +2 and are fine.

    Won’t stop everyone from screaming BUST if he decides to stay another year though.

    I’d really love to see a full season of Broberg and Berglund together in the AHL.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not to sound pretentious or anything, and I respect Speeds and the work he does, but I “confirmed” this months ago and have posted it many times on this blog and prior in today’s comments.

    Sorry, just don’t feel we “needed” a “Speeds confirmation”.

    “we” as in the denizens of this board have relied on Mike/Speeds for CBA stuff for years as he’s a walking encyclopedia of it.

    So “we” do like to know if Mike confirms it.

    Your mileage obvious varies but I and others defer to Mike over everyone on this stuff.

    PJO and Speeds were commenting on LT’s old site before I found it.

    • godot10 says:

      OP is a corporate lawyer who vets multi-million dollar deals/contracts. I think he can provide a pretty reliable reading of the CBA.

  121. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gerta Rauss: I got to pan for gold and was disappointed to find out they were nickels wrapped in tin foil

    I could never figure out that game either as it didn’t make much sense.

    I think they got a lot of their prizes from the discontinued pile at Woodwards. 🙂

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Please refrain from breaking the fourth wall.

      Those shiny little nuggets were real…. I know…I was sitting on my living room floor just 24 inches from the TV screen.

  122. ChiliChunk says:

    Is Puljujarvi suspended currently? I looked at the Liiga player stats page out of curiosity and it shows him as suspended but I can’t find any mention of it anywhere else.

    • Jethro Tull says:

      ChiliChunk:
      Is Puljujarvi suspended currently? I looked at the Liiga player stats page out of curiosity and it shows him as suspended but I can’t find any mention of it anywhere else.

      “Suspended” in Finnish is very close to the word for “Traded”.

  123. hunter1909 says:

    bwar: I’m very concerned that Nurse’s camp is going to start negotiations at upwords of $8M and that would just be a cap killer.

    One of the reasons you want to have experienced management like K Holland instead of wet behind the ears tendency to panic types. The point being, Nurse’s agent can ask for whatever he likes, but Holland doesn’t need to pay it.

    What you legitimately dread is: MacT’s “Let’s pay a third liner 6 million per season then crow to the press how we’ve developed a 1st line centre-horcoff” strategy.

  124. hunter1909 says:

    Gerta Rauss: I got to pan for gold and was disappointed to find out they were nickels wrapped in tin foil

    You got to pan for gold??

  125. duct tape and foil says:

    If Nashville continues to fade, and we can somehow pry Bonino out of their roster, that’s when I’d bring up Benson for a real nice 1-2 bump to the roster.

    Nashville is probably going to lose both Smith and Granlund off their wings as UFA, and JP might be a guy they see as a cheap substitute who they could develop. I also include Russell in the deal as they could use some vet help on defense next year. Russell is better than any of their existing vets outside the top 3 and you would think cowboys would go to Nashville. While Nashville spent relatively close to the cap this year, they do watch their pennies, and Russell’s contract might actually be appealing from that perspective.

    So JP and Russell for Bonino and maybe a throw away contract like Tinordi to help offset Russell salary next year. Sure we only get Bonino for a full season and quarter (plus hopefully 2 playoffs) but he’d solidify the 3rd line and I’d say we are a hot goaltender away from contention.

  126. Gerta Rauss says:

    hunter1909: You got to pan for gold??

    I think the birthday kids got to pan for gold at the end of the show

    You’d shovel a bunch of sand into the strainer and Eric Neville would strain it, and the gold would be left. You’d grab your gold and the next kid in line would be up

    That’s how I remember it anyway although the memory of a 5 year old is notoriously unreliable LoL

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      You rememeber it exactly right.

      Except the part about nickels.

    • CallighenMan says:

      That was my memory of it as well. Everything seemed to be brown? And those “bleachers” the kids sat on…. I hadn’t thought about Popcorn Playhouse for decades! Thanks again to this site for another trip down memory lane.

  127. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    OP is a corporate lawyer who vets multi-million dollar deals/contracts.I think he can provide a pretty reliable reading of the CBA.

    Sure, but why care if someone like PJO chimes in Speeds’ take?

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      i trust OP….but I also appreciate the coroboration from other trusted sources

      These things can be tricky as some of your earlier posts about the CBA show us.

  128. ArmchairGM says:

    Munny: I’m not sure what the urgency would be?

    To see if Benson can unlock Chiasson on the 4th line?

    He gets more TOI, and more Important-TOI at that, in Bako.There is nothing wrong with him being there.

    We already have Bear, Jones, Yama, Haas, Nygard, PRusty playing as rooks on the big squad. Persson too if he returns.That’s a lot of players to be breaking into the League at one time.

    The urgency is the trade deadline. If Benson can fill a hole on the left side it crosses one more thing off Holland’s To Do list. He needs a 10-game trial to see what we have in him.

  129. duct tape and foil says:

    No problem at all with Broberg playing another year in SHL. Bergland is the guy you want to sign this summer. He might be ready to be a 6/7 dman now and might replace Larsson as our RH defense-first guy the year after.

    Woodguy v2.0: The way Howson talked about Brogerg on Stauffer’s show I wouldn’t be surprised to see him spend another year in the SHL.

    Howson said it would be up to Broberg and EDM was very conscious of not forcing him to move if he didn’t want to.

    I think they want to go to lengths of avoiding another JP situation if the player isn’t comfortable.

    Broberg was one of the youngest players in the draft and still doesn’t turn 19 until June.

    If he were drafted out of the CHL he still wouldn’t be AHL eligible next season.Lots of DMen don’t go to the AHL in their draft +2 and are fine.

    Won’t stop everyone from screaming BUST if he decides to stay another year though.

  130. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Sure, but why care if someone like PJO chimes in Speeds’ take?

    The answer lies in his first sentence.

  131. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Sure, but why care if someone like PJO chimes in Speeds’ take?

    The more confirmation the better, I say!

  132. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    duct tape and foil:
    No problem at all with Broberg playing another year in SHL. Bergland is the guy you want to sign this summer. He might be ready to be a 6/7 dman now and might replace Larsson as our RH defense-first guy the year after.

    I don’t know the player well.

    Rundown?

  133. Side says:

    Ribs: The more confirmation the better, I say!

    I can confirm that Speeds and OP are correct.

  134. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I could never figure out that game either as it didn’t make much sense.

    I think they got a lot of their prizes from the discontinued pile at Woodwards.

    I think they changed the format of the show as the years went on

    My only recollection of my experience is the gold panning and the nickels

    Later, I remember this big wall of prizes that you had a chance to win but I don’t remember the how or why

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Kids got to ask Muskeg riddles….and they got a prize if they stumped him.

      Woodguy asked him what Wayne Gretkys Corsi Rel was.

      Hence Woodguy won a King Kong board game.

      And thank you for differentiating “gold panning” AND “the nickels”…..obviously two seperate activities

  135. Ribs says:

    Side: I can confirm that Speeds and OP are correct.

    Excellent!

  136. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not to sound pretentious or anything, and I respect Speeds and the work he does, but I “confirmed” this months ago and have posted it many times on this blog and prior in today’s comments.

    Sorry, just don’t feel we “needed” a “Speeds confirmation”.

    Thats great, but sometimes its nice to hear from someone who doesnt own every third post and is a grey hair when it comes to this blog

  137. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side: I can confirm that Speeds and OP are correct.

    I can confirm that Side has confirmed that Speeds and OP are correct.

  138. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gerta Rauss: I think they changed the format of the show as the years went on

    My only recollection of my experience is the gold panning and the nickels

    Later, I remember this big wall of prizes that you had a chance to win but I don’t remember the how or why

    I remember throwing a styofoam “snowball” at a grid with nails on it so the balls would stick.

  139. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I can confirm that Side has confirmed that Speeds and OP are correct.

    CONFIRMED!

  140. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Ribs: Excellent!

    I can confirm that another long-timer Ribs thinks that’s Side’s comment is excellent.

  141. Ribs says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I can confirm that another long-timer Ribs thinks that’s Side’s comment is excellent.

    CONFIRMED!

    lol

  142. dustrock says:

    Because I am lazy and poor at math I like nice visuals for stats comparisons.

    Ran across this guy on twitter who is a Habs fan who has what seems like a fun and quick player vs. player or team vs. team comparison chart.

    https://www.waveintel.org/versus-player

    He was posting a comparison on Kreider and Zucker, who look quite comparable, albeit with Zucker being under contract for longer.

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I remember throwing a styofoam “snowball” at a grid with nails on it so the balls would stick.

    So…. You were on this show quite a lot?

  144. Side says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I can confirm that Side has confirmed that Speeds and OP are correct.

    Any Woodguy experts here that can confirm Woodguys confirmation of my confirmation?

    Thanks.

    EDIT: NM, I see Ribs has covered it.

  145. Gerta Rauss says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I remember throwing a styofoam “snowball” at a grid with nails on it so the balls would stick.

    oh yeah…that rings a bell…

  146. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Micah Blake McCurdy has EDM’s playoff chances at 69% (nice) today.

    Dom Luszczyszyn has EDM at 70%.

    Really? Dom’s model HATES the Oilers.

  147. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: So…. You were on this show quite a lot?

    Once.

    Watched it a lot.

  148. GB&Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Unleash the Archers are a Canadian Treasure!!

  149. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: Really? Dom’s model HATES the Oilers.

    He mentioned the uptick in 5v5 scoring played a big part of it.

    The other part is that he has them at ~94 pts. Before it was ~90pts but all the other team’s has stumbled so bad 94pts *probably* makes the playoffs.

    As the number of games remaining comes down the playoff cut-line comes into sharper focus and in the WC it’s actually dropped over the last month so points already accrued play a bigger role.

  150. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    The rule benefits NHL teams bigly.The CHL produces most of the players for the NHL.The rule prevents the tragedy of the commons, and maintains the quality of play in the CHL.

    Lamorello is an old American.So he doesn’t care if he pisses on the CHL.

    I don’t get this. How does it benefit NHL teams? It’s not like junior hockey would disappear.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GB&amp;Q:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Unleash the Archers are a Canadian Treasure!!

    First. I heard of em.

    Right up my alley.

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    duct tape and foil:
    If Nashville continues to fade, and we can somehow pry Bonino out of their roster, that’s when I’d bring up Benson for a real nice 1-2 bump to the roster.

    Nashville is probably going to lose both Smith and Granlund off their wings as UFA, and JP might be a guy they see as a cheap substitute who they could develop. I also include Russell in the deal as they could use some vet help on defense next year. Russell is better than any of their existing vets outside the top 3 and you would think cowboys would go to Nashville. While Nashville spent relatively close to the cap this year, they do watch their pennies, and Russell’s contract might actually be appealing from that perspective.

    So JP and Russell for Bonino and maybe a throw away contract like Tinordi to help offset Russell salary next year. Sure we only get Bonino for a full season and quarter (plus hopefully 2 playoffs) but he’d solidify the 3rd line and I’d say we are a hot goaltender away from contention.

    Bonino would be ideal for EDM’s roster.

  153. GB&Q says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Apex” is a fantastic rekked.

  154. Fuge Udvar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey,

    Bump the draft age back up to 19

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Gregor covered this topic on his show a while back.

      I think my biggest takeaway from this is two fold.

      1) it prevents truly exceptional players like Hall, McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon, etc from being eligible when they could be contributing to an NHL team.

      2) it blocks adults from earning a wage commensurate with their skills and ability.

      The answer to number one is having exceptional status, like one or two per team per year but then it doesn’t allow for number two, which would block adults from earning professional salaries while plying their trade/learning their craft at the appropriate level.

  155. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GB&amp;Q:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    “Apex” is a fantastic rekked.

    On it!

  156. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Bonino would be ideal for EDM’s roster.

    1 more year at $4.100m. 5 years older than Pageau but compares very well.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    doritogrande:
    All about pinching the pennies in goal/up front to afford more play driving forwards

    This may be true with some GMs, but I don’t think this is how Ken Holland is wired. Be prepared for a run at Holtby, folks.

    Holland has never been a guy that seeks out top end pricey tenders, has he?

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Now you’re going to make me read the CBA again.

    You’re right that capfriendly might have that a bit wrong.

    I remember the RFA years sliding, but still burning an ELC year.

    So if Bouchard started the year with 7 RFA years and 3 ELC years owed to EDM and his contract slid then he would start next year with 7 RFA years and 2 ELC years owed to EDM.

    Stay tuned while I go hunting.

    The ten NHL game threshold goes to a year of the ELC burning. It doesn’t matter if its CHL or AHL. Giving his signing age of 18, Bouchard’s contract was eligible to slide twice and if he doesn’t play 10 NHL games this year (regular season and playoffs) then it does not burn a year of his ELC and there are 3 years left.

    The year vested towards UFA status, burning an RFA year, is 40 games on the roster (not games player) – we’re passed that threshold.

  159. geowal says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Is it all based on conjecture on his part? or is he claiming talks have actually occured?

    At first glance, I might do this deal.

    No talks have occurred. These are some of the “better” fan proposed trades that are then pitched to (presumably) neutral execs. Answer: either side could say no. Also was a Nurse for Ehlers deal where WPG says no and a Puljujarvi for Pageau deal where Edm says no (which surprised me a little. Exec valued the Oilers contractual control and cited the loss of the Neal pick.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Fascinating. Thank You.

      No to Pageau for JP….who was the Edmonton exec…Tambellini

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: THAT’S WHAT I REMEMBER!!

    If they play more than 10 NHL games one ELC year is burned.

    If they play less than X (not sure of the number, will look it up)NHL games then a RFA year IS NOT tolled and they keep an RFA year while burning a ELC year.

    ie) Drai burned a ELC year but not a RFA year when he played 37 games in 14/15

    Thanks for the trigger, I knew something else was there.

    Not quite 100% correct on the RFA point – its not games played, its games on the roster – sitting in the pressbox counts.

    If I remember correctly, Leon was sent back the day before the team played the 40th game.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis:
    The Islanders have a very strange development plan for him.He has been in the NHL, scratched, for the majority of the season.He’s probably a better defender than Bouchard, but Bouchard will definitely put up more offense.I prefer the way the Oilers are developing Bouch.

    Dobson wasn’t eligible for the AHL this year so it was NHL or back to the CHL.

    For a while there, they were healthy scratching him to keep him below the 10 game threshold when they were deciding if they should send him back to junior.

    They passed the ELC burning threshold and have now past the threshold to vest a year towards UFA status.

  162. defmn says:

    JimmyV1965: I don’t get this. How does it benefit NHL teams? It’s not like junior hockey would disappear.

    It wouldn’t. The argument I hear most often is that ticket sales would suffer if teams lost their best players but that is easily solved with a transfer fee similar to what the NHL has with some of the European leagues.

    ‘One size fits all’ rules always produce outliers.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Maybe I didn’t phrase my question well because you missed the crux of my question.I’ll try again from a different angle.

    How is his transition from skating forwards to backwards?Have the actual mechanics of his skating between the two directions improved visibly?Specifically, when he recognizes he has to start moving south to protect the zone but keep the opposing player in front oh him: how’s that movement look where he makes the change in the direction he’s facing?

    Of the attributes he didn’t grade favourably on in various scouting reports that was the one I haven’t seen you comment on yet as an area of improvement.

    Thanks, btw, for the frequent prospect updates.

    Sorry, I’m not qualified to provide a reliable opinion on that technical detail.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Micah Blake McCurdy has EDM’s playoff chances at 69% (nice) today.

    Dom Luszczyszyn has EDM at 70%.

    3 points up on the playoff cut-line with games in hand (and the tiebreak against pretty much all relevant teams) – not insurmountable to lose but its somewhat of a significant “gap”.

  165. Side says:

    OriginalPouzar: Sorry, I’m not qualified to provide a reliable opinion on that technical detail.

    I bet you Speeds would know…

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Toot Toot!

    If your take away from this was PJO was trying to subvert the work you did in anyway, eat a snickers or the healthy equivalent that gives you that serotonin boost.

    Feel better?

    You do good work OP, we know you do.

    I don’t take it that way at all – I’m sure he has zero idea who I am anyways – not that I’m “anybody” just a fan that likes to chat about the team and the game.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      You’re Top 3 on this site in my books OP……and I have no idea who PJO is.

      Your content is Top Drawer.

      Top shelf where mama keeps the peanut butter.

      I disagree with you occasionally, but you conduct yourself respectfully and with integrity, which I really appreciate. Its rare on the interwebs.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The way Howson talked about Brogerg on Stauffer’s show I wouldn’t be surprised to see him spend another year in the SHL.

    Howson said it would be up to Broberg and EDM was very conscious of not forcing him to move if he didn’t want to.

    I think they want to go to lengths of avoiding another JP situation if the player isn’t comfortable.

    Broberg was one of the youngest players in the draft and still doesn’t turn 19 until June.

    If he were drafted out of the CHL he still wouldn’t be AHL eligible next season.Lots of DMen don’t go to the AHL in their draft +2 and are fine.

    Won’t stop everyone from screaming BUST if he decides to stay another year though.

    It woudn’t surprise me either if he stayed and played for Skelfeeta again.

    I was simply responding to the position that he shouldn’t come over because he’s not NHL ready with the position that, I agree he won’t be NHL ready but he could still come over and play in the AHL.

    Yes, listened to Howson on Oilers Now last week (provided a summary on here) – what I interpreted was that, for sure, they will take the player’s wants and views in to account, however, they will have more direct input and say as opposed to this year where they essentially left it 100% up to the player.

    I don’t think they would force him but, if the team does want him over, I think they would “encourage it”.

    Don’t know if the team wants that at this point – nor does the team I don’t think.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: “we” as in the denizens of this board have relied on Mike/Speeds for CBA stuff for years as he’s a walking encyclopedia of it.

    So “we” do like to know if Mike confirms it.

    Your mileage obvious varies but I and others defer to Mike over everyone on this stuff.

    PJO and Speeds were commenting on LT’s old site before I found it.

    Yes, I get that, I know who both of those guy are and, as I said, I respect the work and knowledge of Speeds.

    This was simply not something that really needed to be confirmed as it has been confirmed for months including with review of the direct CBA sections, which had been posted on here, etc.

    Not everyone reads every comment on here I’m sure, so yes, stuff gets repeated – I have been citing this particular piece of information, essentially weekly, for months though.

  169. OriginalPouzar says:

    ChiliChunk:
    Is Puljujarvi suspended currently? I looked at the Liiga player stats page out of curiosity and it shows him as suspended but I can’t find any mention of it anywhere else.

    He did get 2 plus 10 for a hit from behind the other day – it wasn’t overly egregious though.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I always said, If I was the Coach Id ask JP to not worry about scoring for a handful of games and to just go out there and create a half dozen hits where he seperates the man from the puck.

      JP is a Man-Child Bandy player, which you cant really fault him for at age 18 and 19…but at some point someone has got to coach that out of him.

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder what will happen with the CHL/NHL agreement when the draft age is increased by a year?

    Its going to happen.

    • pts2pndr says:

      The reason they lowered it as I remember was a pending court case that they felt they would lose.

      • Bank Shot says:

        They should use my idea for the NHL draft. First round is a free for all.

        All the other rounds are for players 19+.

        That way you still get to see the exceptional talents in the NHL at 18/19 while also making the draft more strategic and less of a crapshoot.

  171. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Bonino would be ideal for EDM’s roster.

    I don’t like his $4M for next season.

    Essentially this team has zero cap space to improve via external acquisition – they may not even have enough to keep re-sign the currents (Kass, Bear, Nurse plus back up goal plus the other roster fill outs).

    Any external improvement will be predicated on cap out – likely Russell or Larsson (but could be a Neal buyout – god, no more dead cap space please).

    Is Bonino the guy we want to use that $4M on for next year?

    I mean, Russell for Boninio this year (not that Rusty would waive for it) would be great but now we’ve used that $4M on Boninio for next year and I don’t think he’s value for it.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    Side: I bet you Speeds would know…

    Hardy har.

    Of course, Speeds can answer the unanswered question if he has the knowledge – in addition, I guess, to answering the questions that have been answered, multiple times since the summer.

  173. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    international Stereo was great. Still have a good sounding pair of Technics speakers from them. Analog or death!!!

    But Audio Ark and National Music had the serious shiznit.

    If I ever win the lottery, some Bang & Olufsen rep will be earning a commission the size of LT’s veggie waver. Why am I picturing the one the maid used in the Brady Brunch?

    My cousin somehow befriended a salesperson at Audio Ark. He had Magnepan electrostatic speakers, an Oracle turntable and frankensteined his amp, cannot remember the make of it he he replaced everything in it with the cleanest electronics he could find.

    Electrostatics pan to the extreme. We each picked and album side and on your pick you got to sit in the sweet spot.

    It was so clean you couldn’t tell how loud it was. Until you left his house with ringing ears. His car stereo of course custom was better than most home systems.

    One problem was I couldn’t listen to my own for a few days because it sounded like there were pillows strapped to the speakers.

    I had from Audio Ark an Oracle table, NAD amp and deck, Energy 22 speakers.

    The Energy’s were a bit bright and not bassy, but clean and efficient. I upgraded the amp, and for the life of me I can’t remember the brand. I think it was maybe Audio Research.

    All uni students need to spend their money on audio!

  174. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Holland has never been a guy that seeks out top end pricey tenders, has he?

    He’s the opposite.

    He was the fancystats poster boy for not over paying for goaltending.

  175. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ashley:
    Ok music fans:

    I’m looking for singing groups/bands or songs with GREAT vocal harmonies.Examples are:

    Mumford and Sons
    The Lumineers
    Fun
    Skydiggers

    Any suggestions?

    I’ve always loved the sound of the Finn brothers singing together (Split Enz, Crowded House).

    Saw them at Brisbane University at the first warm up gig for their Woodface tour. 600 or less people, unbelievable musicians and singers. The brothers voices are perfect together.

    Also great songwriting if you like their style.

  176. dustrock says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s the opposite.

    He was the fancystats poster boy for not over paying for goaltending.

    Osgood and Legace for the win

  177. SwedishPoster says:

    There is one area where math and eye disagrees on Bouchard. Age. Math says 20, eye test says 46 and owning a small hardware store.

  178. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not quite 100% correct on the RFA point – its not games played, its games on the roster – sitting in the pressbox counts.

    If I remember correctly, Leon was sent back the day before the team played the 40th game.

    Yes, it’s “on the roster” and not “gp”

  179. SwedishPoster says:

    Marcus Pettersson getting his game to a point where he signs for five years at 4m is kinda crazy if you saw him in the SHL his draft +3 season. He was really bad, like worst on his team bad. But he’s kept developing and now he’s a longterm solution for the Pens. Good for him.

  180. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, I get that, I know who both of those guy are and, as I said, I respect the work and knowledge of Speeds.

    This was simply not something that really needed to be confirmed as it has been confirmed for months including with review of the direct CBA sections, which had been posted on here, etc.

    Not everyone reads every comment on here I’m sure, so yes, stuff gets repeated – I have been citing this particular piece of information, essentially weekly, for months though.

    Your contributions are appreciated but you can’t whine and demand respect above all others.

    That’s not the way it works.

  181. godot10 says:

    Tippett and McDavid seem to have gotten to Kassian. He is saying all the right things today. None of the nonsense that was said in the immediate aftermath.

    Rishaug and Spector are still trying to provoke a bloodbath. The mainstream media sucks.

  182. Bulging Twine says:

    From 2003 – 2013 there have been 37 FW’s taken in the top 5

    only 1 has played fewer than 2 top 6 minute seasons

    NAIL YAKUPOV

  183. godot10 says:

    Bulging Twine:
    From 2003 – 2013 there have been 37 FW’s taken in the top 5

    only 1 has played fewer than 2 top 6 minute seasons

    NAIL YAKUPOV

    Dallas Eakins is a hell of a coach. With McLellan on the tag team. Hairgel and Flattop did Nail in.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    Tippett and McDavid seem to have gotten to Kassian.He is saying all the right things today.None of the nonsense that was said in the immediate aftermath.

    Rishaug and Spector are still trying to provoke a bloodbath. The mainstream media sucks.

    Yup, I was happy listening to his verbal today.

    Sounds like he likely won’t go “looking for trouble” but, of course, will play hard and try and get his bangs in.

    Hopefully he is able to control himself better if things aren’t going his way.

    What I wasn’t a huge fan of was when he was talking about how big the two points are now and how primary they are and how taking penalties like that aren’t an opinion (paraphrasing here, from memory) – well, Zack, that was also the case 3 games ago….

  185. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t like his $4M for next season.

    Essentially this team has zero cap space to improve via external acquisition – they may not even have enough to keep re-sign the currents (Kass, Bear, Nurse plus back up goal plus the other roster fill outs).

    Any external improvement will be predicated on cap out – likely Russell or Larsson (but could be a Neal buyout – god, no more dead cap space please).

    Is Bonino the guy we want to use that $4M on for next year?

    I mean, Russell for Boninio this year (not that Rusty would waive for it) would be great but now we’ve used that $4M on Boninio for next year and I don’t think he’s value for it.

    They have the space depending on other adds and who goes out.

    Their budget needs to be 3.5-4.5 to fill the spot properly.

  186. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    dustrock: Osgood and Legace for the win

    He *may* have gone too far.

    🙂

  187. Bulging Twine says:

    godot10: Dallas Eakins is a hell of a coach.With McLellan on the tag team.Hairgel and Flattop did Nail in.

    Could be onto something here

    12-13 Ralph Krueger 48 – 17 – 14 – 31 .65 14:34

    13-14 Dallas Eakins 63 – 11 -13 -24 .38 14:19

    14-15 Dallas Eakins 31 – 4 – 4 – 8 .26 14:59
    Craig MacTavish 5 – 0 – 0 – 0 14:12
    Todd Nelson 46 – 10 – 15 – 25 .54 15:56

    15-16 Todd McLellan 60 – 8 -15 – 23 .38 14:13

    and that’s all she wrote for the #1 overall pick in 2012 for the Oilers

    I do feel Yakupov has shortcomings as I stated above but what would have become of him if Krueger or Nelson coached for more than a year?

    • Bulging Twine says:

      Btw anyone think Eakins will be coaching the Ducks next year? As an Oiler fan, I hope so.
      Look at Gibsons save % year over year. Swarm! More swarm! Not enough! Abandon the Ricki Box, everyone to the boards!

  188. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Dallas Eakins is a hell of a coach.With McLellan on the tag team.Hairgel and Flattop did Nail in.

    I think Nail did Nail in.

    Not enough juice to play the way he thinks he should.

    Hairboys didn’t help but it starts with the players. Guys that make it self motivate, like Bear who got his fitness together for his last chance Texaco and finds himself with an NHL career now.

  189. Alfieboy says:

    Message to My Girl…amazing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rm6UESWdVk
    Neil Finn’s solo records are also v good. Especially Try Whistling This and One Nil.

  190. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Hardy har.

    Of course, Speeds can answer the unanswered question if he has the knowledge – in addition, I guess, to answering the questions that have been answered, multiple times since the summer.

    It’s a conversational comments section not a monument to your ego, though it is starting to function primarily as the latter some days.

    Hey, remember when you posted your shirtless vacation photos like Lowetide was your personal Instagram account?

    Good times.

  191. Bulging Twine says:

    Bulging Twine:
    From 2003 – 2013 there have been 37 FW’s taken in the top 5

    only 1 has played fewer than 2 top 6 minute seasons

    NAIL YAKUPOV

    The important thing is, is it going to happen again with Puljujarvi?

    I wonder what Tippett would think of Puljujarvi. I like Tipp.

    Puljujarvi REALLY REALLY doesn’t want to come back here.
    What the heck happened?!

  192. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    Tippett and McDavid seem to have gotten to Kassian.He is saying all the right things today.None of the nonsense that was said in the immediate aftermath.

    Rishaug and Spector are still trying to provoke a bloodbath. The mainstream media sucks.

    Tippett said he shouldn’t have taken the penalty after the game.

    Holland said he shouldn’t have taken the penalty when interviewed about this.

    Tippett said they “need the 2 points above all else” and that “no one in the locker is thinking about it (retribution on Tkachuk) today”

    Kassian finally said today its about the 2 points.

    Eventually it sinks in.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Not a big deal….but I think you may be under estimating Kassians intellegence.

      I believe he knows its about the two points.

      I also take him at his word when he says that Parros clarified for him what is legal and what is not.

      He was reacting to what he beleived was an illegal hit (one an illegal hit to the head).

      Its fine on paper to say “control your emotions”. But in reality, some hits are ergregious and supercede “the controlled response”

      Professional athletes know this. Its the reason Kassian got emails from players around the league, supporting his actions. Its also the reason he is so well repsected in the Oilers dressing room.

      #MarkMessier

  193. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: Dallas Eakins is a hell of a coach.With McLellan on the tag team.Hairgel and Flattop did Nail in.

    When did The Dementor change to Hair Gel?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

  194. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: Hardy har.

    Of course, Speeds can answer the unanswered question if he has the knowledge – in addition, I guess, to answering the questions that have been answered, multiple times since the summer.

    No one hangs on to every word of every poster, trust me. Speeds has been the cap expert since the cap arrived, so that’s going to be a thing you’ll have to deal with over time. It does seem as though you have an appetite to be recognized, there’s not one damn thing wrong with that. I would suggest starting a blog. I’ll put it on my blogroll and people can visit/comment. That way, you can link to the date when you said certain things. just a suggestion not trying to push you away.

  195. Silver Streak says:

    Woodguy v2.0: You’re contributions are appreciated but you can’t whine and demand respect above all others.

    That’s not the way it works.

    amen….amen.

  196. Nit64 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Steven Ellis of The Hockey News recently penned an article where he looked at all the players in the AHL All-Star game and picked 7 players he views as likey candidates for recall sometime soon.

    7 candidates from amongst all AHL teams.

    Of the 7….. 2 were Bakersfield Condors.

    Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard.

    Did Woodcroft install a sous vide in the Bake? Prospects seem to be coming out just right.

  197. Reja says:

    Bulging Twine: The important thing is, is it going to happen again with Puljujarvi?

    I wonder what Tippett would think of Puljujarvi.I like Tipp.

    Puljujarvi REALLY REALLY doesn’t want to come back here.
    What the heck happened?!

    He quit his job. ( unable to collect UIC) and went home.

  198. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: No one hangs on to every word of every poster,trust me. Speeds has been the cap expert since the cap arrived, so that’s going to be a thing you’ll have to deal with over time. It does seem as though you have an appetite to be recognized, there’s not one damn thing wrong with that. I would suggest starting a blog. I’ll put it on my blogroll and people can visit/comment. That way, you can link to the date when you said certain things. just a suggestion not trying to push you away.

    In other words…get over it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4hv5h2PRI6o

    BTW…when I grow up I want to be Joe Walsh.

  199. Lowetide says:

    Reja: He quit his job. ( unable to collect UIC) and went home.

    That’s misleading. He didn’t sign a contract, and chose to play in Finland. I have no quarrel with his decision. Also have no quarrel with Ken Holland waiting another year.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Respectfully disagree. From what Ive read, I too get the sense that he quit on his team. Did he have the contractual right to do so. Absolutely. Could we forgive him for being 21 and homesick…Yes.. I can.

      I guess we can question or debate what it means to quit.

      Eric Lindros quit the Quebec Nordiques before ever signing there….imo

      I could be wrong. I would be interested to know how his team-mates as fellow members of the Players Association see it. Or his General Manager sees it. They would be the ruling authority on the matter..again..imo

      Sincere question…wouldnt the “normal” course of action have been to sign his qualifying offer and play out the string of games until such a time as he got traded?

  200. defmn says:

    I don’t expect to see Bouchard in the NHL this season unless the Oilers fall out of the playoff race but I think it is worth mentioning that there is a line of thought that burning a year off the ELC is not such a bad thing for teams.

    It allows them to negotiate a long term contract with a young guy before he fully hits his stride and that that can save cap dollars if they identify the right player early enough.

    Just a thought to give a different perspective on the subject. The 40 game line seems more important the way RFA contracts are going.

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