Luck Be A Lady Tonight

Luck. It’s a thing. The Edmonton Oilers had murderous luck in the shootout last night and lost to the Calgary Flames. It was a far better effort than the previous game between the two clubs at Rogers this season, and that Bettman is a counter for sure. It was, in actual fact, a fantastic hockey game. I’d love to see a best-of-7 series between these two teams in the spring, as long as an ambulance is parked just outside.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman:Now it’s over’: With a new contract in hand, Zack Kassian ready to move on after Matthew Tkachuk fight
  • New Jonathan Willis: Oilers extend Zack Kassian, betting the power forward can continue to produce with Connor McDavid
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘That’s good for hockey’: Former Oilers weigh in on Battle of Alberta hype ahead of Tkachuk-Kassian meeting
  • New Scott Wheeler: Wheeler’s 2020 NHL prospect pool rankings: No. 15 Edmonton Oilers
  • New Corey Pronman: Ranking the 2020 NHL Draft top prospects at midseason
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Jonathan Willis: PHWA Midseason Awards: Stars, snubs and what they mean for the year-end NHL Awards
  • Lowetide: Is there real trade deadline value in the Edmonton Oilers’ prospect pipeline?
  • Lowetide: ‘Connor McDavid: Whatever It Takes’ works as breaking news, drama and personality profile
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Lowetide: What do Connor McDavid’s best lines tell us about his optimal linemates?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: I was an AHL coach for a day: Here’s what I learned
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Oilers player poll: From the serious to the silly, the players weigh in on best dressed, most superstitious and more
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Josh Archibald, Riley Sheahan show the upward trend of Ken Holland’s offseason moves for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Post-Christmas performance spike has Evan Bouchard pushing for an NHL job with the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

OILERS AFTER 50 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 19-26-5, 43 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 27-15-8, 62 points; goal differential +15
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 22-24-4, 48 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 23-24-3, 49 points; goal differential -13
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 26-18-6, 58 points; goal differential +1

Edmonton’s point, combined with Arizona’s loss, gives the Oilers third place in the Pacific Division. Despite the disappointment of losing to Calgary, it’s a two-point deficit and the two games in hand are a big advantage. Have to make use of them.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Current 10 games: 6-2-2

This is the second best 10-game segment of the season for Edmonton, and we should at least contemplate the idea that this might be the highest peak reached by this year’s Oilers. Edmonton is 21 points behind last year’s total at the completion of the season, with this year’s Oilers having 32 games to play.

OILERS IN JANUARY

  • Oilers in January 2016: 4-2-2, 10 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2017: 5-3-0, 10 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2018: 4-4-0, eight points; goal differential -8
  • Oilers in January 2019: 5-3-0, 10 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in January 2020: 5-1-2, 12 points; goal differential +7

Whatever may come the 2020 January Oilers were the best of McDavid’s career to date. It’s quite an accomplishment based on what some of us (me) thought reality to would look like.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN JANUARY

  • On the road to: BUF, BOS, TOR, MTL, CAL (Expected 2-2-1) (Actual 3-1-1)
  • At home to: NAS, ARI, CAL, STL (Expected 1-2-1) (2-0-1)
  • Overall expected result: 3-4-2, eight points in nine games
  • Current results: 5-1-2, 12 points in eight games

One of my favourite months since 2005-06, have to say. As I’ve said a couple of times, there are things about this team’s roster construction that irritate me. However, look at those results! How can anyone be mad this morning? Luck bit the Oilers. It happens. We’re on to an easier opponent, and that arrives in….,well, we’ll see.

OILERS 2019-20

I thought the forward lines had good chem, although Nygard’s injury meant a lot of juggling. Wouldn’t mind seeing the same group on Friday. Next big question surrounds getting Caleb Jones back in the lineup, he can’t just sit in the pressbox for two weeks. All numbers five on five unless noted and via NST.

LINE 1 James Neal-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian played 10:34, going 12-6 Corsi, 8-2 shots, 0-1 goals, 1-1 HDSC.

James Neal had an assist, a shot on goal (good look) and a giveaway. I thought he was more involved compared to last week. Connor McDavid had great wheels and three shots, two HDSC and a giveaway. His only point came setting up a beautiful goal by Alex Chiasson (along with Leon). Related: Gio has lost a step, but he’s going to have to find another way to adjust. The list of injuries inflicting on “reaction” plays is piling up. Paul Almeida had an excellent tweet on the subject. McDavid split the blue ala Peter Mahovlich (except he isn’t 6.05 and big Pete didn’t skate like 97) and that was a pleasure to see. Zack Kassian got into a fight with Matt Tkachuk, had a takeaway and two giveaways and signed a four-year contract earlier in the day. He did not seal the wall and was outsmarted for the puck in the early seconds of the first Mangiapane goal.

LINE 2 Nuge-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 11:39, going 12-13 Corsi, 6-5 shots, 1-1 goals, 3-2 HDSC.

Nuge had an assist, shot, drew two penalties, made some great plays. Also made THE play of the night defensively by having the presence of mind to follow the puck as it dribbled toward the goal line. Fanbloodyfabulous. Oh, he also got into a fight. Draisaitl skated absolute miles, getting two assists (one on the PP), three shots, two HDSC, two HDSC. He also had four giveaways (plus two more on the PP), that’s going to need some improvement before playoff time. Kailer Yamamoto scored, now has four in nine games. Fabulous rookie.

LINE 3 Jujhar Khaira-Sam Gagner-Alex Chiasson played 4:22, going 7-1 Corsi, 4-0 shots, no goals and 2-0 HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira had three shots, one HDSC, one takeaway. His best game in some time. Sam Gagner had a great night, he was physical, did a backwards move that damn near cashed, two HDSC, two giveaways and won three of five in the dot.

LINE 4 Joakim Nygard-Riley Sheahan-Alex Chiasson played 4:49, going 4-2 Corsi, 2-2 shots, 0-1 goals, 0-1 HDSC.

Joakim Nygard played less than four minutes before getting hurt, it looked like it might be more than missing today’s practice. Riley Sheahan had two shots, won seven of 14 in the dot, lost both on the PK. He is a different player than the one we saw earlier in the season, more involved and touches the puck far more often. Alex Chiasson didn’t do a lot on the five on five, but scored a nice goal from the slot on the power play.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 20:37, going 16-19 Corsi, 9-9 shots, 0-1 goals and 1-3 HDSC. Played 10:55 with 97.

Darnell Nurse had a giveaway, a takeaway and was credited with 12 hits. One of them was a crosscheck to Matt Tkachuk and looked like it did some damage. Ethan Bear had three shots, drew a penalty, one giveaway and two takeaways. He battled on every shift. Made a blind pass to Kassian, who was looping back out to the point and allowed it to be intercepted. I’m of a mind Kassian needed to be more aware, your mileage may vary.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 16:19, going 14-11 Corsi, 7-7 shots, 1-1 goals and 4-0 HDSC.

Oscar Klefbom played a sound game, good coverage and outlets. Adam Larsson was in the right place (he was intercepting a pass meant for Tkachuk) but it bounced off of him and into the net. I call that bad luck on good positioning.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Matt Benning played 9:49, going 14-10 Corsi, 10-4 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-3 HDSC.

Kris Russell had the front of the net covered on the second Mangiapane goal, but chased Tkachuk when he gained possession and no one checked down (Sheahan and Benning were in photo). Russell had an assist, shot and drew a penalty. Matt Benning scored a lovely goal, and a massive one too. He played well in his first game in forever, slow to recognize the Mangiapane danger on the third Calgary goal.

GOALIE Mike Smith saved 25 of 28, .893 and didn’t look sharp on the second and third goals. In fairness, the second one was by him in a heartbeat. Dave Tippett has worked himself into a situation where Smith is the starter and Koskinen is going to be a rusty cage. I don’t think Smith is going to cover the bet (No. 1 goalie) at this point in his career, although no one can blame the coach for running Smith out there last night. His January has been absolute fire.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we finally have a hockey game to talk about, TSN1260. At 10:20, Scott Wheeler from The Athletic joins me to talk about his Oilers prospect ranking (link above). Wheeler’s gift is that he doesn’t pull any punches and backs up his views with video evidence. His takes on Oilers prospects are unique and compelling. Tune in. At 11, we’ll chat with Frank Seravalli from TSN about Gio’s defending, the trade deadline and Pacific Divison craziness. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Darth Tu says:

    And then immediately I read this comment next. I still have high hopes for Rodrigue.

  2. Nit64 says:

    Too late.

  3. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would agree with this and simply can’t agree with those that are convinced Gio is trying to injure McDavid, or others. He may be, but how can anyone “know” this?

    From what I saw, yes, there seems to be intent to get a piece of McDavid when beat, and even a potential intent to do so in an illegal manner.

    At the same time, that does not equate to “intent to injure” the player even if injury is a reasonably potential consequence.

    Not defending the play – reckless, dirty, etc. but can’t see how anyone can be sure the intent was to injure.

    Sneaky dirty. Plausible deniability. Accidentally-on-purpose. The tools of obfuscation of intelligent dirty hockey players. Giordano and Tkachuk.

    As opposed to non-intelligent ones like Torres who get themselves suspended out of the league.

    Giordano has a long track record.

  4. tileguy says:

    Lol x 2

  5. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: We cant fall in love with players. And we cant be held hostage to what we paid for them.

    Unless they can hit, fight and don’t drag McDavid down *too* much.

    Then love away!

    Surely Woodguy you have to agree with Oilers even still in playoff position in January this is a huge(yuge :p) achievement given consensus opinion throughout the hockey world prior to the season when most had them well out by Christmas etc.

    Last night they took a bit of a pasting but they’re fit dudes and Nuge was sublime and if I’m Tippett I’m giving him either the next practice off or else I’m appointing him temporary captain for the next 3 games.

  6. Side says:

    Hmm, this response explains a lot about you hunter

  7. Bag of Pucks says:

    hunter1909: I had a similar experience when YouTube recently decided to delete thousands of “right wing” accounts plus basically much interesting stuff – leaving me no choice but to start using BitChute which really does contain all of the wacko content I’m meant to be not seeing according to the communists running YouTube.

    ps: wacko content gets old fast.

    For some reason, this made me think of an alternate universe version of Lowetide on TOR/The Dark Web where everything is opposite George.

    Would be an interesting place. We’re likely all more optimistic and less damaged by the Decade of Darkness.

    Woodguy is Plasticguy. OP is a humble social worker. Ricki is Dellow. Instead of a kindly patient LT, Lowetide’s a bitter ‘saw him good’ curmudgeon.

    Shit. I’d hang out there too.

  8. godot10 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    The team still has a hard time finding the right mindset for the BoAs, the Flames are still somewhat in their heads but I think the second half of the game they took a major step in the right direction. Started to play real physical but not dumb, created chances and played a good game overall. Somecoverage issues but that’s also to be expected in a highpaced game.

    Both Kassian and Tkachuk were more quiet than usual. To my eye Kass looked like he was trying to keep his emotions at bay and he lost some of his edge. Needs to find that balance, he’s his best when there’s a little crazy in his game. Tkachuk also looked like he was caught up in all the drama and was less efficient than usual, still a dangerous player but not as involved as usual. Took a bit of a beating in the second half of the game as well. If the trade off is both Kass and Tkachuk having so so games I’ll take it. Though I would’ve loved if Kassian had faked that he was dropping the gloves and let Tkachuk take the penalty. Trolling the troll.

    Colorado demonstrated last year in the playoffs that a lot of Tkachuk is hype and illusion and distraction. Up the tempo, play hard against him, and maintain focus, and Matty the Rat becomes Matty Ho Hum.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Because everyone is obsessed with the Nurse contract…

    $40 million if he signs for 8 seasons

    $36 million if he signs for 6 seasons

    $28 million if he signs for 4 seasons

    Nurse and his family and agent and accountant get to choose the one they like and hopefully he’s got a great team to deal with all of the money he will be paying out to everyone lol

    You semi hope he doesn’t go for the 4 year deal but that’s his option and you never can predict the future. Should he replace Doughty as the force of the West he will be worth the money which makes it a win/win for both Nurse and the Lowetide blog.

  10. Genjutsu says:

    Probably to replace Benning?

  11. godot10 says:

    A lot of you guys have Godot Derangement Syndrome.

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    hunter1909: Surely Woodguy you have to agree with Oilers even still in playoff position in January this is a huge(yuge :p) achievement given consensus opinion throughout the hockey world prior to the season when most had them well out by Christmas etc.

    Last night they took a bit of a pasting but they’re fit dudes and Nuge was sublime and if I’m Tippett I’m giving him either the next practice off or else I’m appointing him temporary captain for the next 3 games.

    Not sure what my comment had to do with where the team is, but I’ll bite.

    I picked 89 points.

    I have no use for “general consensus” unless 2 things:

    1) I know most of the people making the consensus so I can get a gauge on it.
    2) If its media then it effects the betting markets and I can bet against it if its wrong (this is why futures is more profitable than games in hockey betting for me)

    I didn’t foresee Tippett splitting 29 and 97 and 56 solidifying a 2nd line. That’s been huge.

    The bottom 6 has performed “as expected” but the splits are very encouraging as they were Death Valley in Oct and “decent” since.

    The goalies have performed near my expectation, I was stone alone (or close) on that.

    They are trending slightly above where I had them and am happier than I thought I’d be.

    They still lack 5v5 skill in the top 6.

    They have 4 of the 6 spots filled. Need 2 more.

    Need better RHD but I’ve been saying that since………2009……………so its kinda goes without saying.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    Bag of Pucks: For some reason, this made me think of an alternate universe version of Lowetide on TOR/The Dark Web where everything is opposite George.

    Would be an interesting place. We’re likely all more optimistic and less damaged by the Decade of Darkness.

    Woodguy is Plasticguy. OP is a humble social worker. Ricki is Dellow. Instead of a kindly patient LT, Lowetide’s a bitter ‘saw him good’ curmudgeon.

    Shit. I’d hang out there too.

    Fantastic take!

  14. godot10 says:

    hunter1909:
    Because everyone is obsessed with the Nurse contract…

    $40 million if he signs for 8 seasons

    $36 million if he signs for 6 seasons

    $28 million if he signs for 4 seasons

    Nurse and his family and agent and accountant get to choose the one they like and hopefully he’s got a great team to deal with all of the money he will be paying out to everyone lol

    With those options, he will opt for arbitration.

    $39 million over six years, $52 over sight. It will be something like that.

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    The post in question was 95% about lawyers in general with one throwaway line about you.

    You followed up with a number of baseless assumptions about me, which as near as I can tell was informed solely by your egocentric belief that you’re the only person on this board qualified to speak to legal issues. See ‘OP vs Speeds’ for further citations.

    I was defending myself against your baseless and erroneous statements about me, my career, my practice, my worth ethic.

    The position that you know nothing about me, my career and how my practice is run, why I have had success or lack thereof is not an assumption, its fact. You, and your wife’s life experiences, provide not intel in to my career.

    If you feel the need to mention me or my career in conversations I am not part of, do not make assumptions.

    I’lll get “called out” for pretentiousness, clogging up the comments, etc. but when I wake up and read posts degrading my work ethic, essentially, from a poster with an express distaste for me, well, I will absolutely tell him he’s wrong, each and every time.

    Free free to shadow me for a week if you are that interested

  16. Darth Tu says:

    Can the corpse of the Devils take down the Preds tonight? Subban to rise from the ashes and remember that he’s an elite player? I certainly hope so.

    Can the Kings down the Yotes? Again, I certainly hope so.

    Making the playoffs is now as much about the teams around us losing as it is the Oilers scraping together as many points as possible.

    I have a rule of thumb that by this time of the season you need to be within 6 points to have a shot at making the playoffs. Currently that means that in the West, every team down to and including Minnesota is still in the game. For the East only Toronto and the Flyers have a shot at making it.

  17. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    @MikeKellyNHL


    Leon Draisaitl is one of eight players in the NHL with over 100 end-to-end rushes this season (skating puck from DZ into OZ).He had a game-high 8 last night. This was a beauty…

    This is how I saw last night too.

    Lots of people dislike for his game last night, but offensively was the most effective forward out there.

    Still needs to clean up his own zone a bit.

    Looks bagged in OT, but skating a body his size and as hard and long as he has to in each game takes a ton of energy.

    Nice post. Would you happen to know who the other seven are?

  18. flyfish1168 says:

    I agree. He has done this multiple times now. We need a Player safety leader that is more proactive. Dangerous hits, stick infractions and questionable plays should be reviewed and made public. It no use doing the talk of player safety if they are not proactive in sentencing offenders

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: You mean points percentage DOES matter now?

    A month ago you said it didn’t.

    Never once did I say it didn’t matter, and if you read the post above carefully, you’ll note that I expressly stated the team has to take advantage for it to matter. Not to mention that flames maybe being better despite the lower points percentage.

    Of course, the entire point of the past had nothing to do with that but, pick and choose as you will.

  20. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Oilin4,

    Yup. That’s the guy.

    Its not uncommon to like a player who delivers below average results because you like they way he plays and how he makes you feel.

    I get that.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Sneaky dirty.Plausible deniability.Accidentally-on-purpose.The tools of obfuscation of intelligent dirty hockey players.Giordano and Tkachuk.

    As opposed to non-intelligent ones like Torres who get themselves suspended out of the league.

    Giordano has a long track record.

    Don’t disagree – still doesn’t mean he has been trying to injure the player intentionally.

  22. OilClog says:

    Unless he’s been traded, TB is heading north.

  23. Darth Tu says:

    Do you have him on your Find my Friends?

  24. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Intereesting take.

    I thought 4 or 5 times in that game…”Why couldnt Lucic play like that for us?”

    He looked like a legit $2m 3rd liner. When he played for us he couldnt exit the zone or make or take a pass for shit.

    He did have good possession numbers though.

    Lucic doesn’t actually hurt his team’s results.

    There are 2 reasons the contract was bad:

    1) At his price he should help and improve results. He didn’t really do that. When looking at his results he was “just a guy”. JAG’s shouldn’t make his salary

    2) He hurt to watch. We combined what he made, what we were promised he would do, and the nothingness of what he delivered and it ended in vitrol.

    Dumping him for a very similar player in terms of 5v5 impact and superior in 5v4 impact is a slight win.

    Combine that with the buyoutability (is that a word?) of Neal’s contract, deduct the 3rd and retained salary and the trade was a clear win and really a home run.

    Funny thing is that he really didn’t change much what happened on the ice other than “every one got less chances and less goals”

  25. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q:
    I missed the game last night, but damn, it seems like it was both exciting but also a frustrating display of Calgary dirtiness and DoPS’ ineptitude.

    People are also praising Jaime Benn for not lighting up an opponent who was already in a scrum, last night. “Onus is on the hitter”, they say.

    I do wonder what their opinion was regarding the Tkachuk targeted hits?

    Giordano should get no sympathy. At all. He’s shown too many times that he’s reckless and dirty.

    “If I could go back, I wouldn’t do it.”

    has opportunity to relive same situation


    still goes for knees

    A lot of people praising Benn were the same people saying Tkacuk’s first hit on Kassian wasn’t a hockey play.

    ie) Ferraro

    Also,

    Good post.

  26. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Professor Q:
    Good call!

    Yes, and it was Gagner vs. Perry for a while there, too. I remember that fight.

    Why must we suffer so?

    As expressed by one my Cleveland Browns’ players,

    I just want to win, man.

    I can’t believe this list lacks Rookie Gagner vs Kesler *spits*

  27. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    The Cassandra-GodotSeal of Approval.

    Works For Me!

    Straight up their winning % on calling contract and trades is really good.

    Results matter.

  28. OilClog says:

    Kotkaniemi is healthy scratch while the Habs dress Weise, out of the playoffs and their minds. There’s some value in Habland that could be acquired, Chaisson time to fulfill your value.

  29. OilClog says:

    Premium snapchat

  30. OilClog says:

    Ethan Moreau got captaincy because of just this

  31. Darth Tu says:

    Ooft. Bold. How much is that monthly subscription?

  32. Darth Tu says:

    You’d think Kotkaniemi would cost you a first, a roster player (Chiasson) and a prospect if the Habs were indeed mad enough to deal him.

    Are they shopping Weise instead? That seems more likely.

  33. Bag of Pucks says:

    Honestly, you may be the thinnest skinned individual I’ve encountered in my entire life.

    Seriously, do you bruise in a stiff breeze?

    I’m going to go back to ignoring you 24/7 now. I think everyone prefers it that way. I know I do.

  34. Bag of Pucks says:

    Someone’s got to do the dirty jobs.

  35. jtblack says:

    Montreal has very poor centre depth. I actually grade Bergevin right near the bottom as a GM.

    Because the GM failed to properly construct his roster, the org decided to do something that might sound familiar …… wait …wait …  They decided that their C position was so sh*tty, the best thing to do was to rush an 18 year kid into the lineup ….

    Now they are probably disappointed that the kid hasn’t properly developed and has regressed in his 19 year old season.  
    But in fact, it’s not on the player. It’s 100% on the GM.

    MTL has lacked C depth for 8 years and Bergevin has done everything except get a competent Centre (or 2) …  He try to force Drouin to be a C .. among other failed attempts .. 

  36. Darth Tu says:

    I get they’ve had injury issues this year, but surely Bergevin has to be on his last legs?

  37. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance: That’s why I’ve been advocating for an 8 year extension for Bear.I started out at 8/$25M in October for a $3.125M AAV.Now that he’s showing that he can hold his own in the Top 4 daily, I fear we won’t get him for less than 8/$36M or $4.5M AAV.If we could get him for right around $4M AAV or less, it’s a win for the entire length of the contract.

    Even if he just holds at his current level of play, he’s a solid Top 4 transition defenceman.The strength of his game is his intelligence and how he processes the game to make quick plays consistently.As his strength matures and he refines his skating, he’ll improve even more defensively so there’s still lots of upside to his development.

    I think a long term deal for Bear could be a disaster. There is a very good chance he regresses in his rookie year. It happens very frequently to sophomore dmen. And he doesn’t have the size and speed to fall back on if his game goes south.

  38. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OilClog:
    Kotkaniemi is healthy scratch while the Habs dress Weise, out of the playoffs and their minds. There’s some value in Habland that could be acquired, Chaisson time to fulfill your value.

    A good GM would be calling Bergie

  39. Scungilli Slushy says:

    In the discussions about how Larsson has a fork in him are we forgetting he broke his leg?

    He isn’t a great skater but surely it has an effect.

    He’s not a long term solution but you have to start with Rusty if you’re dumping cap, Chainsaw Chiasson, and The Real Deal James JAG Neal. Finish with some Bash Benning if you must as he is so close to being done by Brain.

    Benning JP Marody Haas Jones for the Finn who’s still just 19 a prospect and a 2nd?

  40. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965: I think a long term deal for Bear could be a disaster. There is a very good chance he regresses in his rookie year. It happens very frequently to sophomore dmen. And he doesn’t have the size and speed to fall back on if his game goes south.

    A bridge is right. If he earns a better contract yes it hurts the cap ( but he’ll be happier through its term) and paying talent fairly isn’t the problem. It also means if he is quality you have control for best disposition when the time comes.

    The risk of overpaying or over terming a mid rookie with size and skating issues outweighs an extra 1.5 for a solid proven RHD.

  41. Litke 94 says:

    Paging Mr. Benson… Paging Mr. Benson. It’s, uh, the Show calling.

  42. Darth Tu says:

    TB and Lagesson called up.

  43. Darth Tu says:

    Russell in concussion protocol

  44. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Never once did I say it didn’t matter, and if you read the post above carefully, you’ll note that I expressly stated the team has to take advantage for it to matter.Not to mention that flames maybe being better despite the lower points percentage.

    Of course, the entire point of the past had nothing to do with that but, pick and choose as you will.

    Good grief.

    For weeks you went on and on and on about how regulation wins were the bees knees while I tried patiently to explain they only matter if teams are tied at the end of the regulation season.

    Now that the Oilers don’t have the most regulation wins, you’re crowing (in the style of Foghorn Leghorn) that points percentage and goal differential are important.

    Pro tip: they always were.

    Points percentage tells you who is actually leading.

    Goal differential is an almost perfect predictor of final standings.

    Kapiche?

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson and Lagesson recalled.

    Thought the Deharnais call-up to the Bake was a bit odd.

    Is Jones going down? They can’t have 24 on the roster (plus Nygard on IR).

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oh, Kris Russell on IR, concussion protocol.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    I wonder if we’ll see Lagesson/Benning with b/c Lagesson can replace the Russell PK minutes?

    Probably will go with Jones/Benning with Larsson’s PK minutes upped.

  48. SVR says:

    tileguy: Agree with everything you said, that is why somebody has to go and beat him up, that way he will stop doing that.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BIqjjlW97mA
    Wish we had Manson

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Benson plays, wouldn’t mind:

    Neal/McDavid/Kass
    Benson/Drai/Yamamoto
    Khaira/Nuge/Gagner
    Russell/Sheahan/Archie

    or even:

    Benson/McDavid/Kass
    Nuge/Drai/Yamamoto
    Khaira/Sheahan/Archie
    Neal/Haas/Gagner

    more likely:

    Neal/McDavid/Kass
    Nuge/Drai/Yamamoto
    Benson/Sheahan/Archie
    Khaira/Haas/Gagner

  50. flyfish1168 says:

    Yes it can be a compound fracture. these are bad when the skin breaks. Has to make sure it does not get infected.

  51. OilClog says:

    JP, Larsson, Chiasson for Koty, something, something.

    Why would Montreal want that stuff, I don’t know but they have their reasons. Julien would love Larsson, whatever is left of him, Julien would grind it into mush and wonder why it’s got no grit left.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Honestly, you may be the thinnest skinned individual I’ve encountered in my entire life.

    Seriously, do you bruise in a stiff breeze?

    I’m going to go back to ignoring you 24/7 now. I think everyone prefers it that way. I know I do.

    You do you….

  53. Reja says:

    Was hoping it would be Benson and Bouchard both are ready. Oh well still excited to finally see Mr. Benson

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu:
    Can the corpse of the Devils take down the Preds tonight?Subban to rise from the ashes and remember that he’s an elite player? I certainly hope so.

    Devils up 4-3 after two period of play.

    Granlund brothers reunited, separated only by one tier of league.

  55. OilClog says:

    Why would anyone screw with the 2nd line, fixing stuff that isn’t broken is part of the reason the Oilers have a broken Larsson.

    Try Benson for a few shifts with 97 and expect nothing but JAG play in the bottom 6. Anything more, awesome, anything less, oh well. But don’t go breaking up the 2nd line to find this out, foolery.

  56. OilClog says:

    No, between his leg and his back and his style of play.. Unless something drastic happens it appears he’s on his back 9.

    I think the Oilers need to look at moving on from both 4 and 6 long term and short term, regardless of other spots they need to address.

    JP, Larsson, Chiasson for Koty and Perry. Tell Petry he doesn’t have to come back to the Oilers were shipping him to Buffalo, cause they’re completely crazy as well.

  57. godot10 says:

    OilClog:
    Why would anyone screw with the 2nd line, fixing stuff that isn’t broken is part of the reason the Oilers have a broken Larsson.

    Try Benson for a few shifts with 97 and expect nothing but JAG play in the bottom 6. Anything more, awesome, anything less, oh well. But don’t go breaking up the 2nd line to find this out, foolery.

    Nugent-Hopkins Draisaitl Yamamoto
    Benson Sheehan Archibald
    Neal McDavid Kassian

    Check out our new 3rd line centre dragging around two grittensity wingers!

  58. geowal says:

    Any recollections of when this concussion was sustained?

  59. russ99 says:

    OilClog,

    Benson will be on the third line.

    Because:

    Tippett is the coach

    This is his first NHL experience, ie cup of coffee, see how the NHL game speed and practice / prep / day game experience is with lessons to build on for his next recall

    Despite a decent goal total in the A, he doesn’ have NHL scorer tools, Nygard is a good comp for this.

    Benson is an average skater at best, will be last player in on both top 6 lines

    I know many are excited at his callup and some indignant at why it took so long, give the kid a chance to break into this level before anointing him the cure to our scoring lines.

  60. OilClog says:

    I’m playing Gagner with Benson in the bottom 6 myself, hard time seeing him produce much Stat wise with the grinders.

  61. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    SwedishPoster,

    I admit being one of these people and I know it’s totally irrational. But I swear its out of love!

    The current top-6 experiment is the biggest moment for the franchise since the Hall trade. If Draisaitl can keep up with McDavid for the rest of the year you’re laughing. If Draisaitl can outscore him 5v5 you get to dream big. In Tippett We Trust.

    OriginalPouzar,

    Benson just needs to come up and play well. The opportunity is wide open, Neal is guaranteed nothing.

  62. Harpers Hair says:

    russ99:
    OilClog,

    Benson will be on the third line.

    Because:

    Tippett is the coach

    This is his first NHL experience, ie cup of coffee, see how the NHL game speed and practice / prep / day game experience is with lessons to build on for his next recall

    Despite a decent goal total in the A, he doesn’ have NHL scorer tools, Nygard is a good comp for this.

    Benson is an average skater at best, will be last player in on both top 6 lines

    I know many are excited at his callup and some indignant at why it took so long, give the kid a chance to break into this level before anointing him the cure to our scoring lines.

    Yes. It’s very important to keep expectations reasonable.

    For example…the Canucks just called up Justin Bailey.

    Bailey is a former second round pick of the Sabres.

    He’s 6’4”, 215 and was the fastest skater in the AHL who has scored 12 goals in his his last 10 games.

    He’s likely going to play on the Canucks third or fourth lines where he will find it difficult to translate his offense to the NHL.

    Unless Benson gets a huge push, which would be unwise, he’s going to have to bring other things to the team to make any difference at all.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Kotkaniemi is healthy scratch while the Habs dress Weise, out of the playoffs and their minds. There’s some value in Habland that could be acquired, Chaisson time to fulfill your value.

    Tatar and Danault are two player of interest, obviously.

    I believe they are both one year from UFA.

    That’s a tough term to acquire as you don’t pay rental prices, full value prices, but only get one full year.

    Of course, ability to re-sign but now we are in to UFA prices for declining year, once again.

  64. OilClog says:

    You’re broken, it’s entertaining. Benson plays with Gagner silly goose.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I think a long term deal for Bear could be a disaster. There is a very good chance he regresses in his rookie year. It happens very frequently to sophomore dmen. And he doesn’t have the size and speed to fall back on if his game goes south.

    He could have the “sophomore slump” but what about the next 5-6-7 years? Or are you positing that his 22 year old rookie season will be his career year?

  66. OilClog says:

    Normally the price would be dear but this is Montreal, the price could be red light special.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Good grief.

    For weeks you went on and on and on about how regulation wins were the bees knees while I tried patiently to explain they only matter if teams are tied at the end of the regulation season.

    Now that the Oilers don’t have the most regulation wins, you’re crowing (in the style of Foghorn Leghorn) that points percentage and goal differential are important.

    Pro tip: they always were.

    Points percentage tells you who is actually leading.

    Goal differential is an almost perfect predictor of final standings.

    Kapiche?

    Good grief, I never said points percentage didn’t matter, I qualified it with the team needing to actually take advantage of their games in hand and I did the exact same thing in the post you are trying to pick apart.

    Ummmmm, there is only one relevant team where the Oilers don’t lead in regulation wins – that is Vancouver. They have 5 more regulation wins than Calgary and lead them in goal differential (substantially) and have a higher points percentage – so what’s the point of your post about to nitpick something? Something that was duly qualified?

  68. Harpers Hair says:

    Nashville wins in a shootout.
    Now two points out of a wildcard spot.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    NSH needs a SO to get by Jersey.

    ARI down 1-0 to LAK after 1.

  70. SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Yes to keeping expectations reasonable but the Nucks don’t have the same holes the Oilers do.

    Neal is a huge drag on McDavid 5v5, LT wanted to pull him clean out of the lineup over the break and the fancy stats back that up. I dunno what Benson will be like in the NHL, my expectations aren’t through the roof but if he plays well he will get shifts with McDavid. In the AHL Benson gets points when he plays with skill. He’ll need to make his opportunities count.

  71. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Good grief, I never said points percentage didn’t matter, I qualified it with the team needing to actually take advantage of their games in hand and I did the exact same thing in the post you are trying to pick apart.

    Ummmmm, there is only one relevant team where the Oilers don’t lead in regulation wins – that is Vancouver.They have 5 more regulation wins than Calgary and lead them in goal differential (substantially) and have a higher points percentage – so what’s the point of your post about to nitpick something?Something that was duly qualified?

    You didn’t qualify a thing.

    And if you take a close look at the results you would notice that Calgary is 6-1 in shootouts which can mean a couple of things.

    It may be unsustainable or it can mean Calgary is very good at keeping games close and then winning in extra time which they also did last season.

    This will likely be decided by goaltending.

    Who you got?

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    That would be a coup

  73. OilClog says:

    Playing a high hockey iq with McDavid is never unwise, it would be unwise to staple him with McDavid but Benson getting McDavid points while also grinding out how to play in the bigs on a soft skilled 4th line with Gags when not eating with Connor, that would be extremely wise, for development and cap.

    What’s unwise is giving a shit about Vancouver when talking about Benson. Shouldn’t you be in your car traveling across the west gathering up your abandoned posts? Must bite into profits constantly having to replace them.

    Coach consistently says Samwise is a wise professional, who better to break in a kid with soft hands and fast brain on the bottom line. Playing with Riley is kinda going against putting him in a good spot, other then a magical night he’s a bit of a bringing nothing for hopes of hitting the back of the net. Strictly just a bite your minutes off player, not what I’d be looking to develop a hopeful top 6 player with, maybe a career grinder but Benson should be more then that. If it wasn’t for injuries he’s never drafted where he was.

    Connor and local boy beating down the league.would be some good story telling and drive batshit crazy goalposts luggers insane.

  74. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    NSH needs a SO to get by Jersey.

    ARI down 1-0 to LAK after 1.

    See…you’re back on your regulation wins nonsense again.

    The TWO POINTS matter more than anything.

  75. OilClog says:

    They’re not winning them in extra time, they’re winning them in shoot out. Extra time is the 5 mins, and it’s 4×4. If anything it’s says Calgary will be able to push a game to overtime. It says nothing about how they will perform in overtime as playoff overtime is actual hockey.

    So it may be decided by goaltending, or best players, or goal posts.

    If everyone is tied in points at the end Calgary is going to need to start learning how to win in regulation or they lose all the tie breakers and their keeping it close shits all over their face.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja:
    Was hoping it would be Benson and Bouchard both are ready. Oh well still excited to finally see Mr. Benson

    May I ask:

    1) how much of Bouchard have you seen play this year?

    2) Do you actually think that Bouchard coming up now is a realistic option for Holland?

    3) Do you actually think that Bouchard up now is good for his future and the team’s future?

  77. OilClog says:

    It’s true, but then when everyone brings 2 points to the gun fight, the regulation points stay standing. Truth hurts

  78. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes. It’s very important to keep expectations reasonable.

    For example…the Canucks just called up Justin Bailey.

    Bailey is a former second round pick of the Sabres.

    He’s 6’4”, 215 and was the fastest skater in the AHL who has scored 12 goals in his his last 10 games.

    He’s likely going to play on the Canucks third or fourth lines where he will find it difficult to translate his offense to the NHL.

    Unless Benson gets a huge push, which would be unwise, he’s going to have to bring other things to the team to make any difference at all.

    Bailey and Benson aren’t the same player. Benson is a far more skilled player bcs he has scored at 20 better than Bailey scores now at 24. Context matters.

  79. OriginalPouzar says:

    OilClog:
    Why would anyone screw with the 2nd line, fixing stuff that isn’t broken is part of the reason the Oilers have a broken Larsson.

    Try Benson for a few shifts with 97 and expect nothing but JAG play in the bottom 6. Anything more, awesome, anything less, oh well. But don’t go breaking up the 2nd line to find this out, foolery.

    I agree the second line has been very good since the recall – for all the grief I’ve read about Drai from last night, he was a bull lugging the puck – made some risky plays, etc. but was a bull.

    I would just like to get Benson with some skill.

    Ideally, Neal would be moved off the top line given struggles at evens but I don’t know about Benson going right to 1LW with the pressure, the minutes and tough match-up that entails.

    I can see three pairs:

    Connor/Kass
    Drai/Kailer
    Benson/Nuge

    I don’t see it though and, yes, not changing the second line is extremely defendable.

    Benson likely starts down the lineup, if he does even play right away

  80. OilClog says:

    Not perry stupid phone, Petry.

  81. OriginalPouzar says:

    russ99:
    OilClog,

    Benson will be on the third line.

    Because:

    Tippett is the coach

    This is his first NHL experience, ie cup of coffee, see how the NHL game speed and practice / prep / day game experience is with lessons to build on for his next recall

    Despite a decent goal total in the A, he doesn’ have NHL scorer tools, Nygard is a good comp for this.

    Benson is an average skater at best, will be last player in on both top 6 lines

    I know many are excited at his callup and some indignant at why it took so long, give the kid a chance to break into this level before anointing him the cure to our scoring lines.

    WG posted data comparables for Benson’s 20 year old AHL season and the comparables were very encouraging – mainly top 6 NHLers.

  82. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Bailey and Benson aren’t the same player. Benson is a far more skilled player bcs he has scored at 20 better than Bailey scores now at 24. Context matters.

    Bailey scored 20 goals in his rookie AHL season.

    Benson scored 15 in his and was on pace for about the same in his second season.

    Who is more skilled?

  83. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: See…you’re back on your regulation wins nonsense again.

    The TWO POINTS matter more than anything.

    Ahh I remember the days when you would move the goalposts about what was most important, points percentage vs regulation wins vs goal differential vs ease of schedule.

    Look at how far you have come….

    Oh wait, it’s the same routine.

  84. OilClog says:

    Play Benson with Samwise, it’s beautiful story telling. When not with Samwise slide him in Neal’s spot, his passing may start sending McDavid into some sort of hype speed overdrive.

    2nd line is just too magical to touch right now, not ready for the climax.

  85. Harpers Hair says:

    OilClog:
    It’s true, but then when everyone brings 2 points to the gun fight, the regulation points stay standing. Truth hurts

    Yep.

    If they all get two points every night, you would be right.

    But they don’t.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes. It’s very important to keep expectations reasonable.

    For example…the Canucks just called up Justin Bailey.

    Bailey is a former second round pick of the Sabres.

    He’s 6’4”, 215 and was the fastest skater in the AHL who has scored 12 goals in his his last 10 games.

    He’s likely going to play on the Canucks third or fourth lines where he will find it difficult to translate his offense to the NHL.

    Unless Benson gets a huge push, which would be unwise, he’s going to have to bring other things to the team to make any difference at all.

    While, yes, I agree, expectations should be tempered, of course:

    – Justin Bailey was picked in the back third of the 2nd round, not with the 2nd pick of the round
    – Justin Bailey didn’t have mid-first round pedigree and fall due to injury risk like Benson
    – Justin Bailey is 24 years old and doesn’t have anywhere near the AHL scoring pedigree as Benson – 40 points in 70 AHL games as a rookie.

    Justin Bailey isn’t a top 6 pedigree prospect at 24 years old.

  87. OilClog says:

    When Benson is still a regular in the AHL at 24 how about we compare his career at that point. 4 years, lots of time to let the debate simmer.

    This McDavid kid isn’t 24 yet and has scored over 100pts multiple seasons in the NHL, why can no Vancouver Canuck come close in comparison to such a young lad? Only reason for me it seems that the Canucks are the God awful trash bag of the league. Never change trash bag.

  88. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Bailey scored 20 goals in his rookie AHL season.

    Benson scored 15 in his and was on pace for about the same in his second season.

    Who is more skilled?

    Are you really using a 5 goal difference between rookie seasons to conclude that 1 player is more skilled than the other?

    L O L

  89. OilClog says:

    Maybe this went over your head, at the end of the season when everyone brings their 2 points together and they’re tied. The fighter left standing is going to be the one with more regulation collection of their 2 points.

    If Calgary finishes ahead in points and no tie breaker is needed yes your simple man theory is correct, but if they are tied when the 82 games are over. Their 2 points mean shit immediately after the first tie breaker. Go home thanks for coming leave your 2 points at the door see ya next season. Learn how to get them on the 1st 60 dumbasses. And that will be that.

  90. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Bailey scored 20 goals in his rookie AHL season.

    Benson scored 15 in his and was on pace for about the same in his second season.

    Who is more skilled?

    Benson clearly.

    Bailey is a scorer. He’s probably a better scorer than Benson. He’s a better skater and bigger. But he’s also a guy that scores more than assists.

    Bailey’s rookie season in the A was .64 PPG Benson’s .97.

    Bailey may be a better NHL player, he has the advantage physically. History tells us he is the more likely to be a tweener as you well know because the age at getting to 1 PPG in the A is a better predictor of NHL quality.

  91. Side says:

    But which player had the easier schedule?

    Asking before HH does.

  92. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: May I ask:

    1) how much of Bouchard have you seen play this year?

    2) Do you actually think that Bouchard coming up now is a realistic option for Holland?

    3) Do you actually think that Bouchard up now is good for his future and the team’s future?

    I believe Bouchard is ready for third pairing it’s a young man’s league. I would also have him on the PP 2 over Nurse. I know you have viewed him way more than I have but if the Nucks and Flames make it and we fall 1 point short because we have our only D that can make a tape to tape headman pass to spring Connor Leon and Yamo stewing in the minors I think I’ll be physically sick.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: You didn’t qualify a thing.

    And if you take a close look at the results you would notice that Calgary is 6-1 in shootouts which can mean a couple of things.

    It may be unsustainable or it can mean Calgary is very good at keeping games close and then winning in extra time which they also did last season.

    This will likely be decided by goaltending.

    Who you got?

    I didn’t qualify a thing? Please read again:

    “Its up to the Oilers to live up to it but they have the better points percentage and the better goal differential”.

    I can’t possibly see Calgary being 6-1 in the shootout being construed as anything but a negative for them. There is a reason SO wins have ALWAYS been excluded from the 1st tie break.

    It means they are keeping games close and winning in extra time? Well that is factually incorrect – they aren’t winning in extra time – they are winning in a SO – something that’s not even available in the playoffs.

    Who do I got? I was told earlier tonight that goal differential is the primary indicator and, well, the flames are -12 and the Oilers in the positive.

    I think I know who I should have.

  94. OilClog says:

    Benson has more assists in his rookie season then Bailey has total points in any of his seasons, before this season was trending in nothing but a down direction with his development and is now starting to put it back together at 24.

    Unless Benson falls off the rails and gives up its pretty confusing to see a grown adult compare the two players.

  95. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes. It’s very important to keep expectations reasonable.

    For example…the Canucks just called up Justin Bailey.

    Bailey is a former second round pick of the Sabres.

    He’s 6’4”, 215 and was the fastest skater in the AHL who has scored 12 goals in his his last 10 games.

    He’s likely going to play on the Canucks third or fourth lines where he will find it difficult to translate his offense to the NHL.

    Unless Benson gets a huge push, which would be unwise, he’s going to have to bring other things to the team to make any difference at all.

    Is that the same Bailey from WKRP in Cincinnati.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: See…you’re back on your regulation wins nonsense again.

    The TWO POINTS matter more than anything.

    Yup, the two points matter the most.

    Of course, the first tie break is regulation wins so I would prefer teams chasing the Oilers as Nashville is (still 5 points back) to get to get their wins not in regulation against eastern teams.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Bailey and Benson aren’t the same player. Benson is a far more skilled player bcs he has scored at 20 better than Bailey scores now at 24. Context matters.

    This poster does not believe age matters with respect to prospects, hence Brogan Rafferty > Evan Bouchard.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Bailey scored 20 goals in his rookie AHL season.

    Benson scored 15 in his and was on pace for about the same in his second season.

    Who is more skilled?

    The player that was a hair shy of PPG in his 20 year old AHL season, not the player than had 40 points in 70 games.

    Recall, you are a poster praising Brogan Rafferty as a high end prospect at 24 and a better prospect than Evan Bouchad and in another tier than Logan Day – He has less goals than Bouchard and one single goal more than Day (in 7 more games).

    So, are goals all that matter now?

    Will wait for the goal post to be moved again via a forward vs. d-man argument.

  99. Munny says:

    Reja: Is that the same Bailey from WKRP in Cincinnati.

    Lol… I recall a few Bailey vs Jennifer guy talks back in the day… Bailey was usually a consensus winner.

    Hopefully the NHL version doesn’t light up the TV screen anywhere near as brightly.

  100. LMHF#1 says:

    So – Benson will begin his career 163 points behind the man who should have been one of the most obvious picks in Oilers history, and would probably have even more than 163 having reunited with McDavid.

    Good luck to the young man – hopefully he won’t be remembered as simply a mistake.

  101. Wilde says:

    Awful fucking thread today, proud of everybody.

    I’ll have something sometime on Benson – tl;dr is that his shot impact remains fairly weak this year but he’s good at generating primary assists, if he hits the ground running it’ll probably be on 97’s LW bringing their oiSH% to somewhere between the Neal version and the Draisaitl one.

    His breakout value (it’s impressive) might be marred by that the 97 line needs to play those really weird because of how McDavid gets directly obstructed in the NZ where Benson probably wants to hit him after taking the first pass out. We’ll see.

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: I believeBouchard is ready for third pairing it’s a young man’s league. I would also have him on the PP 2 over Nurse. I know you have viewed him way more than I have but if the Nucks and Flames make it and we fall 1 pointshort because we have our only D that can make a tape to tapeheadman pass to spring Connor Leon and Yamo stewing in the minors I think I’ll be physically sick.

    I would hope you’ll be able to keep your dinner down knowing that you have no surety that Bouchard in the lineup would have helped collect that extra point and, perhaps, having him in the lineup would make the gap larger than 1 point.

    They have different skill sets for sure but Lagesson is a legit top pairing shut down d-man at the AHL level and deserves to be up over Bouchard. Its better for the current team and the future.

  103. Old Timer says:

    I felt that Khaira had a poor outing last night. He was slow to pucks, never asserted himself physically and did not contribute much to the flow of the game. I like his tool box but he has to exert himself or he will be a career AHL’er at best.

  104. flea says:

    I wonder if McDavid had a say in whether or not they should draft DeBrincat. It would have been a lot of pressure on Debrincat, he would have been instantly tied to McDavid. If he didn’t work out, people would have quickly thrown him under the bus as a McDavid tag along. I understand why they didn’t draft him – even though in retrospect it was a mistake.

  105. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Caught it

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Only one point for ARI tonight against LAK.

  107. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: What’s next for Tyler Benson and William Lagesson after being called up by the Oilers?

    https://theathletic.com/1573942/2020/01/30/whats-next-for-tyler-benson-and-william-lagesson-after-being-called-up-by-the-oilers/

  108. pts2pndr says:

    Dealing with HH is like pissing in the wind so why bother. You are better than that. Thank you for all you bring to this site.

  109. Bulging Twine says:

    So who gets Benson’s cherry minutes on LW with Granlund and Currie?

    Gambardella?

    McLeod?

  110. v4ance says:

    JimmyV1965: I think a long term deal for Bear could be a disaster. There is a very good chance he regresses in his rookie year. It happens very frequently to sophomore dmen. And he doesn’t have the size and speed to fall back on if his game goes south.

    Bear has NEVER had the size or speed to dominate. His strength is between his ears. His calm under pressure, his fast processing of the game to make quick plays. His brain isn’t going to regress and he’s only going to get better as he gains more experience in the league. He reminds me a young Andrei Sekera. I think Sekera’s time in the AHL on a conditioning stint influenced Bear heavily.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-edmonton-oilers-ethan-bear-vicki-hall-1.5346724
    “Looking back, Ethan Bear figures his hockey future rested on two questions and one life-changing decision.

    “It was basically, did I want to be an NHL player?” the Edmonton Oilers defenceman says. “Or did I want to be an AHL player?”

    In pursuit of his dream, Bear cut carbohydrates from his diet, loaded up on vegetables and ate plenty of grilled chicken and steak. He followed LeBron James on social media, soaking up the L.A. Lakers star’s dedication to nutrition and fitness as a recipe for athletic consistency. He bought and devoured books on elite training and performance.

    Instead of bouncing between Saskatchewan, Alberta and B.C. in the off-season, the Regina native stayed in Edmonton all summer and worked out under the guidance of Oilers strength and conditioning coach Chad Drummond.”

    Literally he spent ONE offseason working on nutrition, strength conditioning and skating and went from mid level AHLer to solid Top 4 NHL D. He’s not regressing but if he does, it’s not going to be very much. His nutrition is on the right track, his training is focused and his skating and body strength will only get better.

    Scungilli Slushy: A bridge is right. If he earns a better contract yes it hurts the cap ( but he’ll be happier through its term) and paying talent fairly isn’t the problem. It also means if he is quality you have control for best disposition when the time comes.

    The risk of overpaying or over terming a mid rookie with size and skating issues outweighs an extra 1.5 for a solid proven RHD.

    You’ve posted this nonsense repeatedly. The way you maximize in a cap world is to find ways to jump on opportunities to lock up good to great players before they’ve had a chance to establish a longer resume. Bridge deals are for bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair D… basically guys you’re not sure will be in the NHL in 3 years.

    If you can identify a Top 6 forward or a Top 4 D while they’re still on their ELC, the best thing is to sign them at the earliest possible time and sign them long. The opposite is to bridge them like the Canadiens did to Subban or the Oilers did to Nurse and Petry. Then coming out of their bridge deal, you pay full price with little chance at a discount.

    A couple of good examples are Ryan McDonagh, and Roman Josi. Their teams got many of their prime years at bargain basement prices because they identified their quality early before they got league wide notice.

    I feel Bear’s floor will be this year’s performance. He’ll only get better from here. The thing is he’s not even getting much PP2 time so if he gets any PP1, his hammer shot could even improve what’s been already a top unit.

  111. pts2pndr says:

    Not when he has been doing this for most of his career. You develop a history.

  112. v4ance says:

    I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. It’s literally stock investing 101.

    The earlier you invest in a good stock, the higher your rate of return. If you dither and wait til it shows more track record of performance, then you buy when the price has been raised.

    The stock improved it’s fundamentals over one year and saw a spike in performance if not share price. Lock in the share price before it gets too expensive or you aren’t getting a premium on the price.

  113. pts2pndr says:

    He was right on Eakins.

  114. Bulging Twine says:

    When Benson plays a game he will be the 54th player from the 2016 draft to play a game this season

    23 are from Round 1

    He’ll be the 14th from his 2nd Round

    The 8th FW

    Points this year:

    Debrincat 51gp – 35 pts
    Dube 27 – 10
    Gambrell (who is about 2 years older) 32 -7
    Kyrou 14 – 4
    Grundstrom 9 – 4
    Asplund 28 – 3
    Smith 15 – 3

  115. pts2pndr says:

    Isn’t that anatomically impossible. Asking for a friend.?

  116. Bulging Twine says:

    Berglund could take the Right D opening in Bakersfield next season that Benson leaves

  117. Bulging Twine says:

    err Bouchard

  118. Bulging Twine says:

    Darnell Nurse is tied with Andrei Kovalenko for 67th in all time points for the Oilers. One point ahead of Dave Manson

    Kassian is tied with Tom Poti for 70th, one past Milan Lucic

  119. Bulging Twine says:

    Current Oilers on the Oilers top 50 all time games played list, with who is immediately ahead and behind them:

    RNH 17th Fogolin – Staios

    Gagner 21 Coffey – Tikkanen

    Draisatl 35 Pisani – Niinimaa

    Klefbom 41 Hall – Reasoner

    McDavid 43 Reasoner – Nurse

    Nurse 44 McDavid – Cogliano

    Kassian 48 Brewer – Geoff Smith

  120. who says:

    OilClog:
    No, between his leg and his back and his style of play.. Unless something drastic happens it appears he’s on his back 9.

    I think the Oilers need to look at moving on from both 4 and 6 long term and short term, regardless of other spots they need to address.

    JP, Larsson, Chiasson for Koty and Perry. Tell Petry he doesn’t have to come back to the Oilers were shipping him to Buffalo, cause they’re completely crazy as well.

    Yeah.
    That’s a realistic trade proposal.
    Wow.

  121. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance: Bear has NEVER had the size or speed to dominate.His strength is between his ears.His calm under pressure, his fast processing of the game to make quick plays.His brain isn’t going to regress and he’s only going to get better as he gains more experience in the league.He reminds me a young Andrei Sekera.I think Sekera’s time in the AHL on a conditioning stint influenced Bear heavily.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-edmonton-oilers-ethan-bear-vicki-hall-1.5346724
    “Looking back, Ethan Bear figures his hockey future rested on two questions and one life-changing decision.


    “It was basically, did I want to be an NHL player?” the Edmonton Oilers defenceman says. “Or did I want to be an AHL player?”

    In pursuit of his dream, Bear cut carbohydrates from his diet, loaded up on vegetables and ate plenty of grilled chicken and steak. He followed LeBron James on social media, soaking up the L.A. Lakers star’s dedication to nutrition and fitness as a recipe for athletic consistency. He bought and devoured books on elite training and performance.

    Instead of bouncing between Saskatchewan, Alberta and B.C. in the off-season, the Regina native stayed in Edmonton all summer and worked out under the guidance of Oilers strength and conditioning coach Chad Drummond.”

    Literally he spent ONE offseason working on nutrition, strength conditioning and skating and went from mid level AHLer to solid Top 4 NHL D.He’s not regressing but if he does, it’s not going to be very much.His nutrition is on the right track, his training is focused and his skating and body strength will only get better.

    You’ve posted this nonsense repeatedly.The way you maximize in a cap world is to find ways to jump on opportunities to lock up good to great players before they’ve had a chance to establish a longer resume.Bridge deals are for bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair D… basically guys you’re not sure will be in the NHL in 3 years.

    If you can identify a Top 6 forward or a Top 4 D while they’re still on their ELC, the best thing is to sign them at the earliest possible time and sign them long.The opposite is to bridge them like the Canadiens did to Subban or the Oilers did to Nurse and Petry.Then coming out of their bridge deal, you pay full price with little chance at a discount.

    A couple of good examples are Ryan McDonagh, and Roman Josi.Their teams got many of their prime years at bargain basement prices because they identified their quality early before they got league wide notice.

    I feel Bear’s floor will be this year’s performance.He’ll only get better from here.The thing is he’s not even getting much PP2 time so if he gets any PP1, his hammer shot could even improve what’s been already a top unit.

    I agree. Bear’s greatest strength is his brain. This makes his upside tremendously high. His lack of size and speed though could impact his play if he loses his confidence.

    The league is riddled with dmen who regressed in their sophomore season. Some permanently. Some for a year or two. There is risk signing a dman to a long term deal after a single season of play. Here’s some examples off the top of my head.

    Ghostisbehere
    Zaitsev
    Maata
    Colin Miller
    Myers
    Brenden Smith

  122. Profit says:

    Just catching up on the thread, enjoyed it until the posts around 630pm and everyone… we’re feeding the troll here. Just ignore him.

  123. v4ance says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree. Bear’s greatest strength is his brain. This makes his upside tremendously high. His lack of size and speed though could impact his play if he loses his confidence.

    The league is riddled with dmen who regressed in their sophomore season.Some permanently. Some for a year or two. There is risk signing a dman to a long term deal after a single season of play. Here’s some examples off the top of my head.

    Ghostisbehere
    Zaitsev
    Maata
    Colin Miller
    Myers
    Brenden Smith

    Literally the other great example that slipped my mind is the Klefbom contract.

    Huge value signing him longer term after his ELC for 7 years @ $4.167M AAV. That’s the model for signing Bear.

    You say Bear will regress with a sophmore jinx but you have shown absolutely no proof as to why you believe this other than saying other D have regressed. I’ve shown an article stating that he’s educated himself enough to know what it takes to get to the NHL and he’s taken some of those steps.

    Even after one year, he’s shown enormous improvement. You think that makes him a candidate to slip back. I say that’s just a jumping off point to improving more long term. You say his confidence will fail him next year. I say his confidence is reassured and his resolve strengthened seeing how well he’s played so far after he took the necessary improvements to his skating, nutrition and training over ONE summer.

    It’s like you didn’t learn a thing from the Nurse bridge deal.

  124. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: I agree. Bear’s greatest strength is his brain. This makes his upside tremendously high. His lack of size and speed though could impact his play if he loses his confidence.

    The league is riddled with dmen who regressed in their sophomore season.Some permanently. Some for a year or two. There is risk signing a dman to a long term deal after a single season of play. Here’s some examples off the top of my head.

    Ghostisbehere
    Zaitsev
    Maata
    Colin Miller
    Myers
    Brenden Smith

    Colin Miller was never really good. And none of the other guys perfected their craft in the AHL, so when they stumbled on hard times in the NHL, they had no established base to fall back on.

    The risk of regression or sophomore slumps for players who had paid their dues in the AHL is less than those who haven’t.

  125. Bulging Twine says:

    What’s Right handed C Pageau’s contract looking like this off season?

    5 x 4?

  126. Bulging Twine says:

    27 years old

  127. Bulging Twine says:

    Let’s see if this comes through

    Paul Almeida has a tweet of the Tkachuk slash on Draisatl.

    you can see briefly how Draisatl shakes his arm after.

    https://twitter.com/AzorcanGlobal/status/1222979693604827137?s=20

  128. JimmyV1965 says:

    v4ance: Literally the other great example that slipped my mind is the Klefbom contract.

    Huge value signing him longer term after his ELC for 7 years @ $4.167M AAV. That’s the model for signing Bear.

    You say Bear will regress with a sophmore jinx but you have shown absolutely no proof as to why you believe this other than saying other D have regressed.I’ve shown an article stating that he’s educated himself enough to know what it takes to get to the NHL and he’s taken some of those steps.

    Even after one year, he’s shown enormous improvement.You think that makes him a candidate to slip back.I say that’s just a jumping off point to improving more long term.You say his confidence will fail him next year.I say his confidence is reassured and his resolve strengthened seeing how well he’s played so far after he took the necessary improvements to his skating, nutrition and training over ONE summer.

    It’s like you didn’t learn a thing from the Nurse bridge deal.

    I didn’t say Bear will regress. I said there’s a possibility he regresses. There’s a risk to signing him long term. Surely you have to acknowledge that, even if you think it’s a small risk.

    Do you think these other teams expected their players to regress? It happens and is more likely to happen to players with less experience in the NHL when signing long term deals.

    The big difference with Nurse is games played when he signed the bridge deal. He played many more games in the NHL than Bear by the time his ELC expired. That’s why he should have been signed long term.

    While Bear’s ceiling may be higher because of his brain, his floor is lower because he doesn’t have the raw tools that Nurse possesses.

  129. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: Colin Miller was never really good.And none of the other guys perfected their craft in the AHL, so when they stumbled on hard times in the NHL, they had no established base to fall back on.

    The risk of regression or sophomore slumps for players who had paid their dues in the AHL is less than those who haven’t.

    Literally three of the six guys I mentioned spent more time in the AHL than Bear, or the KHL in the case of Zaitsev.

  130. v4ance says:

    I honestly can’t speak to all those D and why they regressed into sophmore slumps and beyond but I will comment on Ghostisbehere.

    From what I read from a Philly analyst, Ghost was sheltered 3rd pair 5v5 and on PP1 with Philly in his 1st year. That PP was on fire and Ghost helped a ton. In subsequent years, they thought he was ready and pushed him into steady top 4 D usage. That’s when he fell on his face. Basically they “Jultzed” him just like the Oilers did to Justin Schultz by forcing him too high up in the order before he was ready.

    That’s why Bear’s performance is so amazing. This is his first full year in the NHL and he’s a solid Top 4. Last year he was sheltered 3rd pair and he struggled at even that for his few cups of coffee out of the AHL. He hasn’t had to carry his pair with Nurse but he hasn’t been a drag on it either. He’s been a solid compliment to Nurse.

    They use the same defensive outlet play where Nurse gets it to Bear on the right and Bear scans the ice for an open forward. If there isn’t an open man, Nurse releases and races up the left wing as the 4th forwad for an outlet or stretch pass from Bear. It uses the best of both of their abilities: Bear’s processing and passing and Nurse’s skating.

    I see tons of room for upside. Bear has been brought along well by the coaches but they’ve been conservative. They haven’t given him tons of PP time and they haven’t overloaded him on the PK either. As he plays opponents more often his knowledge base will grow and he’ll be better against them the next time around. Plus this is the first year of his off ice improvements. Each year means he should be getting stronger, his skating will be better and he’ll gain confidence knowing he’s figured out the right path to staying in the NHL. I think he gets it now and he’ll be an NHLer for a number of years.

    You mention Bear’s smaller frame as a reason why he’ll regress. He’s always been a smaller player and it’s not hurt him in the past. He won the award for best WHL defenceman over lots of bigger guys.

    He paid the penalty in the draft falling to the 5th round because NHL GMs have a size fetish. If I remember, LT had him going in the 3rd round of 2015 and if there is a redraft after this year, he’d be solidly in the 2nd round. The NHL is a more skilled game and you don’t have to be as big or tough anymore. It’s more about skating passing and skill. Adam Larsson is the poster child for that type of defenceman and while he’s not obsolete, he’s definitely struggling with the faster skilled players now.

  131. v4ance says:

    The Edmonton Oilers are closing in on a seven-year extension with defenseman Oscar Klefbom, TSN’s Ryan Rishaug reports.

    The contract would be worth more than $4 million per season, according to Rishaug. Klefbom, 22, only has 77 games of NHL experience under his belt, so it would be a fascinating gamble by the Oilers. Rotoworld will note if a deal becomes official, as Rishaug believes an announcement will come in 24-48 hours.

    SOURCE: Ryan Rishaug on Twitter
    Sep 19, 2015, 3:49 PM ET

    ***

    Bear is 22 and will have played 100 NHL games by the end of this season. Pretty much same scenario as Klefbom. Will Holland make the same bet that Chiarelli made in Sep 2015?

  132. Bulging Twine says:

    Zary
    Bourque
    Perrault
    or Quinn who’s coming on

  133. v4ance says:

    Looking at Brendan Smith’s career. 3rd pair sheltered D til he was 24.

    Scouting report from April 2014:

    https://thehockeywriters.com/still-hope-brendan-smith/
    For the last three years of Nicklas Lidstrom’s illustrious career, Detroit Red Wings’ fans heard that the next big thing was coming. They heard the praises being sung about the young Brendan Smith. Fans and scouts alike gushed about his speed, scoring prowess, and some of the more overzealous fans even compared him to a poor-man’s Bobby Orr. Flash forward to 2013-2014 and Red Wings’ fans have largely been disappointed with Smith’s play. Fans complain about his atrocious giveaways, his ill-timed offensive zone pinches, and his reckless 1-on-4 charges into the offensive zone when his team is changing lines. Fans are getting tired of it and the excuse that “he’s young” is starting to go by the wayside as Smith turned 25 in February

    That doesn’t sound anything like Bear’s progression but it does point to unattained upside. If anything it sounds like a bad version of Nurse if he had not improved from his early seasons. I don’t think Smith ever solidified himself as a Top 4 D til a much later age than Bear’s 22.

    Plus if Smith was in Detroit’s top 4 D, it was only because Lidstrom has retired and they had no one else. It feels like they forced him into the Top 4 D before he was ready.

  134. hunter1909 says:

    v4ance: Bear has NEVER had the size or speed to dominate.His strength is between his ears.His calm under pressure, his fast processing of the game to make quick plays.His brain isn’t going to regress and he’s only going to get better as he gains more experience in the league.He reminds me a young Andrei Sekera.I think Sekera’s time in the AHL on a conditioning stint influenced Bear heavily.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-edmonton-oilers-ethan-bear-vicki-hall-1.5346724
    “Looking back, Ethan Bear figures his hockey future rested on two questions and one life-changing decision.


    “It was basically, did I want to be an NHL player?” the Edmonton Oilers defenceman says. “Or did I want to be an AHL player?”

    In pursuit of his dream, Bear cut carbohydrates from his diet, loaded up on vegetables and ate plenty of grilled chicken and steak. He followed LeBron James on social media, soaking up the L.A. Lakers star’s dedication to nutrition and fitness as a recipe for athletic consistency. He bought and devoured books on elite training and performance.

    Instead of bouncing between Saskatchewan, Alberta and B.C. in the off-season, the Regina native stayed in Edmonton all summer and worked out under the guidance of Oilers strength and conditioning coach Chad Drummond.”

    Literally he spent ONE offseason working on nutrition, strength conditioning and skating and went from mid level AHLer to solid Top 4 NHL D.He’s not regressing but if he does, it’s not going to be very much.His nutrition is on the right track, his training is focused and his skating and body strength will only get better.

    You’ve posted this nonsense repeatedly.The way you maximize in a cap world is to find ways to jump on opportunities to lock up good to great players before they’ve had a chance to establish a longer resume.Bridge deals are for bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair D… basically guys you’re not sure will be in the NHL in 3 years.

    If you can identify a Top 6 forward or a Top 4 D while they’re still on their ELC, the best thing is to sign them at the earliest possible time and sign them long.The opposite is to bridge them like the Canadiens did to Subban or the Oilers did to Nurse and Petry.Then coming out of their bridge deal, you pay full price with little chance at a discount.

    A couple of good examples are Ryan McDonagh, and Roman Josi.Their teams got many of their prime years at bargain basement prices because they identified their quality early before they got league wide notice.

    I feel Bear’s floor will be this year’s performance.He’ll only get better from here.The thing is he’s not even getting much PP2 time so if he gets any PP1, his hammer shot could even improve what’s been already a top unit.

    How about offering Bear a long term contract that sets him up for life while keeping his cap hit as low as possible and if he busts later you can buy him out or trade him no idea really…

    Offer him 8 X 1.5 million dollars = 10.5 million and see if he bites… 8 X 2 million = 16 million total might also work lol

  135. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Lucic doesn’t actually hurt his team’s results.

    Funny thing is that he really didn’t change much what happened on the ice other than “every one got less chances and less goals”

    Chiasson does that job now for 1/3 the price. Still not pretty.

  136. hunter1909 says:

    v4ance: Bear is 22 and will have played 100 NHL games by the end of this season. Pretty much same scenario as Klefbom. Will Holland make the same bet that Chiarelli made in Sep 2015?

    That looks like a bad bet. Bear hasn’t really proved much to date other than he’s currently an NHLer. Offer him half the money and same term then see what happens…lots of defence prospects heading down the pipeline for a freaking change.

  137. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909: How about offering Bear a long term contract that sets him up for life while keeping his cap hit as low as possible and if he busts later you can buy him out or trade him no idea really…

    Offer him 8 X 1.5 million dollars = 10.5 million and see if he bites… 8 X 2 million = 16 million total might also work lol

    If you’re so worried about the risk, why go 8 years?

  138. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Let’s see if this comes through

    Paul Almeida has a tweet of the Tkachuk slash on Draisatl.

    you can see briefly how Draisatl shakes his arm after.

    https://twitter.com/AzorcanGlobal/status/1222979693604827137?s=20

    Seriously
    How the fuck is that not a fucking penalty???
    Two hand chop from the end of the stick into the hands on a breakaway

    Pummel the fuck out of that piece of shit again if the refs aren’t going to do basic officiating.

  139. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    godot10: Colin Miller was never really good.And none of the other guys perfected their craft in the AHL, so when they stumbled on hard times in the NHL, they had no established base to fall back on.

    The risk of regression or sophomore slumps for players who had paid their dues in the AHL is less than those who haven’t.

    Great points
    My vote is to go long term on Bear. No bridge.
    Even if he regresses a bit, it will be a value contract for most of the term.
    We know he can handle a power play and put up more offence once they give him that chance which I think will be next year.
    Already giving him a little more role in OT
    Good posts/discussion all around this topic. Just replied to this one…

  140. LMHF#1 says:

    Here’s the thing – it wasn’t a mistake in retrospect, it was a mistake from that second. It flew in the face of all available info. I’ve been very consistent about that and others have as well.

    I’m quite sure based on track record that Chiarelli and the scouts didn’t ask McDavid or at minimum asked and ignored. We’ve all seen the disaster that was that time…including trading for someone who injured your franchise player with intent…the man and his team had absolutely no clue.

  141. LMHF#1 says:

    I believe this is the time for a “the Chicago way” reference.

    He two-hands you in the arm, you cross check through his neck. Call someone up if necessary.

    Utter crap that the cheap shot artists are protected and promoted by this league. Routinely. They only survive because of the NHL.

  142. Andy Dufresne says:

    Who wasn’t?

  143. VanIsleOil says:

    …not sure why…but somehow, I feel better after watching this video

  144. Andy Dufresne says:

    And goalposts

  145. Andy Dufresne says:

    lol…..Guilty as charged

    I resent…ah… I mean resemble….

    I resemble that remark

  146. Andy Dufresne says:

    He left out the part about the monies.

    Violence sells as does drama and unfairness.

    People want emotion in the game, wherever it comes from.

    Technolgy could have eliminated ALOT of the controvery from sports along time ago…But controversy sells tickets / attracts eyeballs.

  147. Andy Dufresne says:

    i Like Kassian like I like Larsson.

    Im on the record (somewhat due to your evidenciary based arguement) that it would ok to let Kassian walk at 3x3m

  148. Andy Dufresne says:

    Its liek Deja Vu all over again

  149. godot10 says:

    Myers, Maatta, and Zaitsev has spent no time in the AHL. Ghostisbehere, 30 games.

    I was wrong on Smith.

    Miller was never anything more than an offensive 3rd pairing option who was a marginal NHL’er defensively.

  150. godot10 says:

    The referee in the picture cannot really see the slash and is watching other things. I can’t see where the back refereel was. He has to call it, but was probably still on the other side of centre ice. OT is fast.

    Tkachuk seems to know where the damn referees are. The weaseling is strong with this one.

  151. London Jon says:

    This is not stock investing 101

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