Vegas Perdido

It’s one thing to understand a “schedule loss” and quite another to endure it. The Edmonton Oilers played a dandy first period against the Golden Knights, but the only goal landed in Edmonton’s net. The final two periods were a lot about chasing and in the end the home side won the day. Next game Saturday.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Jonathan Willis: Andreas Athanasiou injured, Mike Green elevated in Oilers’ loss to Vegas
  • New Lowetide: Andreas Athanasiou acquisition might give the Oilers a scoring winger for McDavid cluster.
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers salvage a point as newcomers settle in (and produce) with Connor McDavid
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Are Oilers poised for a long playoff run after Ken Holland’s deadline moves?
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s Oilers trade deadline active, targeted and predictable
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Andreas Athanasiou acquisition the most intriguing deadline move for Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Shrewd addition of Tyler Ennis gives the Oilers insurance, options up front
  • Jonathan Willis: Connor McDavid returns to the Oilers; now the task is to get him linemates
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers bolster blue line by acquiring Mike Green; Is a scoring winger next?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ European prospects offer interesting options for the future
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers forward depth chart for the summer
  • Lowetide: For Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto and Leon Draisaitl, first impressions are long forgotten. Why not for Jesse Puljujarvi?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer

OILERS AFTER 64 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 23-34-7, 53 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 34-22-8, 76 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 27-33-4, 58 points; goal differential -37
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 27-30-7, 61 points; goal differential -26
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 33-23-8, 74 points; goal differential 0

Coming out of the trade deadline and heading for the end of February, the Oilers are 1-2-1 in the last four and March is coming in like a lion. Hang on, it’s going to be a fun ride!

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Sixth 10 games: 6-3-1
  • Current 10 games: 1-2-1

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-10-1, five points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in February 2017: 6-6-0, 12 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 5-7-1, 11 points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 3-6-4, 10 points; goal differential -14
  • Oilers in February 2020: 6-5-2, 14 points; goal differential -2

The Oilers have faltered in the last week, allowing the 2016-17 team to catch up. One more game in February and it’s an important one.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-1-1)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-1)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 6-5-2, 14 points in 13 games

There will be a group of posters today who will have a ‘sky is falling’ take but I think it’s important to note the club came in a single point shy of my expectations for the road trip. You can’t lose your religion over such a small difference. The playoffs are not guaranteed, but last night was going to be a tough one and every knew it. If you want to be mad, the first period against Anaheim is a good recent place to start.

OILERS IN 2019-20

The Oilers best players (Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl) hit posts and crossbars like they were playing the cowbell on “Honky Tonk Women” all night long, but this game had very little curb appeal for the Oilers fan. Numbers are available at NST, lines and pairings were moving about so I’m just doing to ramble. Everything is five on five.

Connor McDavid had five shots, two HDSC, posts, crossbars, probably hammered a few seagulls while he was at it but nothing rhymed. Hockey’s greatest player rarely has those games, bet he comes back with a vengeance on Saturday. Leon Draisaitl had four shots, three HDSC’s and similar results to 97. He made the same brilliant move twice but couldn’t score against Fleury. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had some looks but was the least dangerous of the big three. I thought the power play was flat on the evening, that’s a rare item.

Tyler Ennis impressed again, he’s going to be impossible to keep out of the top six. I don’t know what that means for James Neal and Zack Kassian but there you go. Andreas Athanasiou did some good work down low early but also looked lost a couple of times, and then got himself injured later on. Alex Chiasson is an easy target because everyone sees him and remembers Yamamoto was hurt, and he did get a five on five HDSC. Tippett believes he’s the best option, probably changes with Kassian’s return Saturday.

Jujhar Khaira, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald got fed on the evening going 3-10 Corsi, 1-6 shots and 0-3 HDSC. I kind of decided Benson wasn’t ready when he played on this line for a couple of games, but maybe it’s the line? Kassian or Joakim Nygard probably slide in during the coming weeks. Edmonton needs these three players to be effective in their roles.

Markus Granlund had three shots, Gaetan Haas fell in every quadrant and also had a HDSC, Patrick Russell took a penalty and the coach sent him right back out there. Fans are outraged by Russell’s presence in the lineup, I’m enjoying the experience and hope he gets to 50 games and scores a goal before April.

Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 14:39, going 12-18 Corsi, 7-11 shots, 0-1 goals and 3-4 HDSC. Nurse did a good job on the Pacioretty goal, no way that goal should go in from that angle. He may have gotten a piece of the shot from the point on the second goal, but a bad bounce was the key element in the PP marker. Ethan Bear was gold again, I thought he stood out as a passer, shooter, power-play organizer (he’s always at the point to keep the puck in play). My goodness what a rookie.

Caleb Jones and Mike Green played 4:28 together, going 10-2 Corsi, 9-2 shots and 0-1 goals, 3-1 HDSC. Jones had some wobble, but this pairing looked very good. I wonder if we see it again. Jones also had some brilliant moments by the way, his vision and passing are improving. William Lagesson and Mike Green went 5-10 Corsi in 8:33, 2-5 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC. I thought Lagesson struggled with the forecheck (he wasn’t the only one) and appeared to get dropped from the rotation at times. Green’s usage was elevated on merit, he has played well out of the box.

Caleb Jones and Adam Larsson played 12:42, going 7-15 Corsi, 1-7 shots, no goals and no HDSC. Larsson was challenged by the size/speed of the Golden Knights and took a penalty. I think we might see Jones-Green at some point in the future, maybe when Klefbom returns and the two Swedes get the band back together.

Mikko Koskinen stopped 30 of 33, .909. Since the major story in the game was a soft goal against that landed as the game winner, he owns it despite some good work later in the game. Can’t let that goal find the net.

INJURIES

No excuses, but injuries are really having an impact on this team. Zack Kassian returns from suspension on Saturday, one hopes Kailer Yamamoto is back in a quick hurry. He is a key element for the Draisaitl line. Oscar Klefbom won’t be back for a time but is badly needed too. Joakim Nygard and we’ll have to wait for a report on Athanasiou. Daniel Nugent-Bowman reported recently both Kris Russell and James Neal are “weeks” away.

BAKERSFIELD CONDORS 2019-20

This is the current Condors roster, the team struggled badly in February. I don’t believe there’s any way to call this team a failure when you consider what the Bakersfield bunch have delivered to the NHL. I imagine we’ll see Raphael Lavoie, Olivier Rodrigue, Filip Berglund and possibly Philip Broberg added to the Condors from the system this summer, plus a college signing or two.

The roster as it stands boasts some substantial talent on the way to the NHL. Evan Bouchard is NHL-ready, Dmitri Samorukov is matriculating, Tyler Benson, Ryan McLeod and Kirill Maksimov all have a chance. Sucks that so many players graduated in one season, but that’s also a reflection of the great work being done by Jay Woodcroft and his staff.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning on TSN1260, we get started at 10. Derek van Diest from Post Media (Journal and Sun) joins us at 10:20 to break down last night’s game and look forward to Saturday. Jeff Krushell from Krush Performance talks mlb to Vancouver and spring training. At 11, Frank Seravalli from TSN pops by to talk trade deadline and the sprint to the finish. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings via points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 20
    COL 19
    DAL 17

    Crapific
    VGP 13
    VAN 12
    EDM 10

    Wildcard
    NSH 8
    CGY 8

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 5
    WPG 5
    ARI 4
    CHI -1
    ANA -5
    SJS -7
    LAK -12

    -NSH has 2 gp less than CGY, while MIN has 3 gp less than WPG

    -Relevant games tonight:

    VAN (-165) at OTT (+145) – Demko will get an easier night than MTL. OTT is fiesty though. No value here.

    MIN (-210) at DET (+175) – MIN should walk this one in

    CGY (+115) at NSH (-135) – Did CGY shoot their shot vs BOS or did they turn the corner? Still don’t like their D much

    WSH (-140) at WPG (+120) – WSH is really sucking the hind banana. Good spot to turn it around.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Caleb Jones and Adam Larsson played 12:42, going 7-15 Corsi, 1-7 shots, no goals and no HDSC. Larsson was challenged by the size/speed of the Golden Knights and took a penalty. I think we might see Jones-Green at some point in the future, maybe when Klefbom returns and the two Swedes get the band back together.

    I think Tippett will also test drive a 77-27 2nd pair and have 82-6 as a 3rd pair at times.

    Probably depends on the speed of the opponent.

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    No excuses, but injuries are really having an impact on this team. Zack Kassian returns from suspension on Saturday, one hopes Kailer Yamamoto is back in a quick hurry. He is a key element for the Draisaitl line. Oscar Klefbom won’t be back for a time but is badly needed too. Joakim Nygard and we’ll have to wait for a report on Athanasiou. Daniel Nugent-Bowman reported recently both Kris Russell and James Neal are “weeks” away.

    I didn’t hear this myself by apparently Stauffer was saying during the broadcast he wouldn’t be surprised to see Yamamoto back vs WPG on Saturday.

    Getting Yamo and Kassian back will help fix a few lines.

    I think Ennis is winning a top 6 job too, but on this team at this time his best value might be shoring up the Sheahan-Archibald line.

    As you (LT) noted, they are getting some tough rows to hoe and no one save Nygard has been up to the task of helping them in that spot.

    Until Nygard is back, if I have both 44 and 56 on the active roster I think I play Ennis with Sheahan and Archibald.

    They can’t bleed 5v5, they just can’t.

    • pts2pndr says:

      I think that Kassian will make a big difference on first line with the two speed merchants. Vegas played that line very physically. The opponents D will have to be a little more cautious when Kassian is back in the lineup with his physicality.

  4. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Chiasson has had to step up the past few games but has not / cannot.
    It also seemed like almost every time the Oilers were hemmed in their own zone for extended periods of time, he was on the ice the vast majority.
    Once Kass, KY return – I see Chiasson looking down from the PB for a while…

    • godot10 says:

      Chiasson is net front on the PP. Khaira is a key forward on the PK. They will play on the 4th line with Haas.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    Not being able to turn Khaira into Heinen due to cap constraints really sucks

  6. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    We all also need to be cognizant that EDM is in the middle of a 7 game road trip.

    Cities – dates

    LAK – Feb 23
    ANA – Feb 25 (probably didn’t change hotels though)
    VGP – Feb 26
    EDM – Feb 29
    NSH – Mar 2
    DAL – Mar 3
    CHI – Mar 5

    7 games in 12 days in 7 different cities. (LAK=ANA kinda excepted)

    This is an incredibly tough stretch just based on travel, games played and the subsequent lack of practice (esp. for the newbs)

    Doing most of it with the injuries have doesn’t do them any favours either.

    If they get out of this stretch still in 3rd in the Pacific I think that’s a win.

    After that 10 of the last 14 are at home and they can make some hay.

  7. Caribbeerman says:

    A couple lineup placements to look for:

    Ennis taking Yamamoto’s spot with 29 & 93 (Assuming 28 is not seriously injured and 44 again is paired with 97).

    Also, might we see Kleff paired with Green & Jones paired with Larsson?

    Still very early but if Green & Kleff click, maybe Green is resigned for 1 year at reasonable cost which then prompts (and allows) a Larsson trade.

  8. giddy says:

    Those Jones and Green numbers, minus the goal…. a thing of beauty there.

  9. Oilin4 says:

    Buyout Chiasson and give his contract to Tyler Ennis

  10. barry.moore23 says:

    Any negativity regarding this Oilers team means you are very new to this site. These are luxury issues compared to 19.5 of the last 20 years. Is there a better song than ‘Roll on Down the Highway’ by BTO ??

  11. Bar_Qu says:

    LT, I know you do a post where you identify which RFAs get the haircut, along with the other odds and sods who move out, but who do you think moves out for future UFA and college signings? I know the team is at 50 contracts now, so there is no room to sign for the spring, but do you think the team can afford to miss out on those players? Especially considering how thin the Bako is right now.
    Thanks.

  12. Litke 94 says:

    Yes, apparently Yamo was on the ice yesterday. This, mixed with reports from Spec that he was walking with no limp as of… Tuesday(?) seem to be positive signs that Yamo could be back sooner than expected. Saturday would be awesome.

    I am really just anxiously awaiting Klef’s return. Over the past few seasons, it seems that as Klef goes, so do the the Oil. I think we have 1 win out of 5 now that he has been out? Mind you, again, tough opponents and schedule, but still. He makes all the difference back there.

    He is our best defenseman, bar none. Here’s hoping he comes back rested, pain-free, and ready for a long spring of hockey.

  13. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings via points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    BOS 26
    TBY 22
    TOR 10

    Metropolitan
    WSH 21
    PIT 18
    PHI 16

    Wildcard
    NYI 15
    CAR 12

    Out of playoffs
    CBJ 11
    NYR 10
    FLA 9
    BUF 3
    MTL 2
    NJD -2
    OTT -10
    DET -31

    -Relevant wildcard games today:

    NYR (+110) at MTL (-130) – I think Rags have value here.

    TOR (-115) at FLA (-105) – Both teams have weak Dcorps and variable goalering. The bookies know there will be goals (Over 7.0 +100)

    NYI (+145) at STL (-165) – STL is rolling and simply better than NYI

    • tileguy says:

      Can you explain why the bookies will put both teams at negative value, ie not paying 100% on the dollar such as in the Tor Florida game. Does this game make it an automatic money maker for them.

  14. dustrock says:

    A game where McDavid and Draisaitl hit the posts instead of the mesh.

    A game where players are exposed because they are forced into bigger roles than they can realistically handle based on history.

    We have 3 rookie D playing, one old-timer who is showing well despite coming to a new team, a veteran D whose lack of speed will always, always, always be an issue against teams like Vegas, and a 2LHD who has had to play 1LHD because no Klefbom.

    Wasn’t upset at all with the result, as said, a scheduled loss from the get-go.

    We have Kassian, Motor, Nygard and Klefbom back in and the lineup is obviously better.

    Koskinen needs to be better. Never understood how a 6’13” goaltender can give up so much of the net.

  15. dustrock says:

    Dr. Dustrock here saying I suspect that if we were in the playoffs, they’d be taping up Motor and he’d be playing.

    You can always exacerbate a sprain and so I suspect they were being cautious in giving him some time off.

    If it was a bad high ankle sprain, there’s no way he’s walking without a limp.

  16. flyfish1168 says:

    Oilin4:
    Buyout Chiasson and give his contract to Tyler Ennis

    Buy out Neal and you have more play. Try to trade chiasson, 1 more year left on this contract

  17. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    tileguy:
    Can you explain why the bookies will put both teams at negative value, ie not paying 100% on the dollar such as in the Tor Florida game. Does this game make it an automatic money maker for them.

    Yes, the lines are always set so that if there is equal money on each team the bookie makes the difference in the payouts.

    This is the vig.

  18. Buddy says:

    MIssed the game last night as Mrs. Buddy and I went to see Steve Hackett (Genesis guitarist) in Calgary. When I saw the score I scrolled through yesterday’s thread and decided to give a pass to watching it on the PVR (of course it was also midnight at that point).

    It was a great show. He’s playing in Edmonton tonight at the Winspear, so if there are any other Peter Gabriel era Genesis fans on here who haven’t heard about it, you might want to check it out. He played all of Selling England by the Pound, as well as some solo material (from Spectral Mornings and Defector).

    Interesting sociological experience — there was virtually no one under 50, and lots who were well over. I’m one of the oldtimers on here, but I felt positively youthful last night.

    • elgruntus says:

      “Everyday” from one of his solo albums has a great extended guitar solo for an outro. The melody is pure ear candy. Great player

  19. Brantford Boy says:

    LT: “Fans are outraged by Russell’s presence in the lineup, I’m enjoying the experience and hope he gets to 50 games and scores a goal before April.”

    Not this guy, I really like what I see from him and yeah that first goal is coming and will be a great reward for his hard play…

    Damn goal posts!

    Bring on the PEG… big home game!

  20. Darth Tu says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    No excuses, but injuries are really having an impact on this team. Zack Kassian returns from suspension on Saturday, one hopes Kailer Yamamoto is back in a quick hurry. He is a key element for the Draisaitl line. Oscar Klefbom won’t be back for a time but is badly needed too. Joakim Nygard and we’ll have to wait for a report on Athanasiou. Daniel Nugent-Bowman reported recently both Kris Russell and James Neal are “weeks” away.

    I didn’t hear this myself by apparently Stauffer was saying during the broadcast he wouldn’t be surprised to see Yamamoto back vs WPG on Saturday.

    Getting Yamo and Kassian back will help fix a few lines.

    I think Ennis is winning a top 6 job too, but on this team at this time his best value might be shoring up the Sheahan-Archibald line.

    As you (LT) noted, they are getting some tough rows to hoe and no one save Nygard has been up to the task of helping them in that spot.

    Until Nygard is back, if I have both 44 and 56 on the active roster I think I play Ennis with Sheahan and Archibald.

    They can’t bleed 5v5, they just can’t.

    I heard that comment about Yamo. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. (If true).

    Ennis has been solid so far, he and Archie are exactly the kind of guys we’ve needed for years. It’s almost like Pittsburgh winger light with wingers that can play 3rd line usually but step up and not look out of place on the top two lines for stints. As long as we’re going to pay them as 3rd line wingers all will be well.

    We are really missing Nygard now, he either slots in on the 3rd line with Sheahan, or can spot Yamomoto on the Drai-nuge line if he’s healthy.

    Injuries eh?

  21. N64 says:

    Emergency goalies to be discussed at NHL general meetings.

    The win by Ayres might be embarrassing in Toronto, but that’s on the Leafs for not being able to get shots on net for a whole period. Any win is a plus for the rule, not a negative.

    If they’re looking for real issues, in the playoffs they should allow each team to dress 2 alternate goalers. They can call it the MAB rule.

  22. dustrock says:

    I mean, we’re all rooting for Russell, but if you can’t score even one goal….next year you’re on the Flames.

  23. Oilpower says:

    Edmonton seems to struggle with out klef in the lineup! Also pretty sure Matt benning will not be an oiler next year!

  24. godot10 says:

    When Klefbom gets back…

    Nurse Bear
    Klefbom Green
    Jones Larsson.

    Nurse and Bear to play the toughest opposition.
    Klefbom and Green to kill during the middle minutes a la PIeterangelo in St. Louis.
    Jones and Larsson for the remainder.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Well, that happened and it is a bit demoralizing but, as our host says, that was a tough set up for the team last night.

    Overall, with one game left in Febuary, they have had a very “trying month” with the injuries and some tough scheduling and they are coming out of it in a playoff spot and still reasonaly likely in a Pacific division playoff spot.

    Some more reinforcements are on the way.

    ————————————

    It behooves them to get two points at home against a current non-playoff team on Saturday.

    If not, that game on Monday in Nashville may become the biggest in years.

    —————————-

    Kass is back on Saturday and, while he was struggling in various areas for a while prior to this break, he will be a welcome addition to a banged up forward group.

    Although I guess we won’t have an update until tomorrow, if AA is ready to go, it gives Tip some options – Either Kass or Ennis can play on the top line (with AA) and the other can shift down to the Sheahan/Archie line and inject some speed and skill on to that line. Either option is nice.

    —————————

    Great news that Kailer was skating yesterday and there is now some speculation he could play as early as Sat.

    I assume that his HIGHLY unlikely and he is still a little ways away but the news is good and, if he’s skating so soon, I think its unlikely its the dreaded “high ankle sprain”.

    ———————–

    Rest up boys – more big games are coming.

  26. DBO says:

    Ennis. McDavid. Kassian
    Benson. Draisatl. Yamamoto
    Athanasiou. Nuge. Neal
    Nygard. Sheahan. Archibald

    That is my ideal balanced lineup. Speed on every line. Size on every line. The Nuge line is a balanced vet line with scoring, the Draisatl line has the top skill and McDavid is McDavid. With our 4th line being a great checking energy line with Chiasson and Haas and Khaira waiting in wings. That is true depth and the 3 centre unicorn balanced lineup can be a reality. I want that picture LT.

  27. JimmyV1965 says:

    Gotta give huge props to Holland. He has assembled the best lineup since McDavid landed in our lap, while dealing with major cap constraints. We can lose every single game for the rest of the season, and he still gets high marks from me. I was very skeptical of Holland, but he’s made me a believer.

  28. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    godot10:
    Chiasson is net front on the PP.Khaira is a key forward on the PK.They will play on the 4th line with Haas.

    I agree with JJ on L4 for PK, but I am kinda done with Chia. AA or someone else with skill could get PP time and stand in front of the net.

  29. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: What was provoked – you made a comment about wanting to sign Ennis after a one-game sample size.I responded with a comment that he had a 60 game sample size this season and a 10 plus year NHL history.

    I provided a hockey-based response to a comment and you responded with personal insults.

    What boundaries? You don’t like my posting style? You don’t like me challenging your hockey posts with substance?You don’t like me? That’s all on you.

    The only boundary that is not being respected is your own boundary – the promise that you’ve made to yourself multiple times that you will ignore me – the promise you keep breaking.

    You not wanting me to respond to your posts is not a “boundary” – that’s you asking for the intent of the community and forum to be changed for your liking.I respond to hockey based posts with hockey based responses, without personal attack or insult. Sorry if you don’t like it.

    Ok, it’s probably best to tackle these individually.

    1) The intent of this community.

    I think ‘community’ is the key word here. What is community? Imo, it’s not one person dominating with 20-30% of the posts daily. It’s not someone demanding that all other posters shouldn’t post about a certain topic because you’re the alleged expert on that topic and have already weighed in with your ‘conclusive’ opinion. It’s not changing the ‘intent’ of the community and forum for your own liking into your personal holiday instagram or facebook profile. Travel photos. Your sleeping schedule. Your workout routine. What’s next, are you going to start posting when you’re using the toilet?

    No offense, but I’ve been a part of this community way longer than you have. I remember it when it was much more analytics oriented and if you didn’t show your work, you weren’t likely to gain much traction with your saw him good opinions. I’m more qual than quant so those were not easy days for me, but I learned a ton! So, seeing this board dominated daily by your hot air is the single most profound change I’ve seen in this community since I started coming here. For all of the reasons I’ve cited above, you are a complete hypocrite to criticize others for ‘changing the intent of this community’ while leaving yourself blameless.

    2) Boundaries

    One thing you see fairly frequently on this community is posters defining healthy boundaries. One poster will say something along the lines of “I don’t agree with much of what you say, but I agree to your right to say it and will leave you to it from hereon.” Imo, this is what adults do. They don’t naively expect that everyone is going to like each other or agree with each other. Adults are smart enough to recognize personality types that they don’t coexist well with or that potentially trigger unwanted responses in them and it’s healthy and natural for an adult to define boundaries to minimize those interactions and responses.

    As an adult, I think it’s completely reasonable for me to say to you, I don’t enjoy interacting with you and would prefer we didn’t. There’s 1000s of other posters we can both interact with and as a result, our agreeing to not interact shouldn’t impair the enjoyment of this community one iota for either of us.

    In fact, I’ve asked you politely and on numerous occasions to do exactly this. If you would simply not reply or comment on my posts, I would offer you the same courtesy in perpetuity. Mutual accord would result. The rest of the board wouldn’t have to deal with this conflict and all that you’re sacrificing is the ability to interact with a single poster who has asked you nicely to respect a reasonable boundary to maintain civility.

    But you absolutely refuse to do this one simple thing under the belief that you’re entitled to comment on whatever and to whomever you like without restrictions. So it’s time to call out this behaviour for what it is…

    3) Narcississm

    Narcissists have an incredible capacity for psychologically bullying others, and most importantly, rationalizing reasons or excuses why they’re entitled to act in ways that increase conflict rather than decreasing it through easily achievalable accords. In today’s society, the rules of engagement have been made clear and aren’t up for debate. An individual has the right to request that another person leave them alone and respect healthy boundaries if they find that person to be problematic. The individual who refuses to respect these requests is the bully, whether that bullying behaviour is physical, emotional or mental.

    The narcissist also has zero compunctions about demanding one sided social contracts that favour them completely and demonstrate zero empathy to other individuals. Your solution? You change nothing. You still do whatever you want and if I don’t like your replies or comments to my posts, I can ignore them. One doesn’t have to look to far to see how this behavior empowers the bullying tactics of the previous point. The bully continues unabated, often with condescending or diminishing remarks, and the other individual has no other recourse but to continue to tolerate this dysfunctional behaviour. This is doubly problematic given the sheer volume of the behaviour and the seeming need of the narcissist to dominate the overall conversation.

    I went the fake twitter insult route because literally nothing else was working, so I thought, I’ll give him a negative reinforcement every time he replies to one of my posts and maybe that will finally condition him to stop. But of course, that didn’t work either.

    I think I’ve articulated (on numerous occasions) a completely reasonable adult solution to this issue that ends the problem immediately and permanently. The fact you refuse to even consider it speaks to larger entitlement issues imo. A person has told you in no uncertain terms that they don’t wish to interact with you and you continue to force the interaction almost daily. What kind of reasonable person acts this way?

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Diddly Do Neighbour 🙂

      #community

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        Assignment O’ The Day;

        Assign every poster a Simpsons Charachter

        Note: It probably shouldnt be flattering

        Ill start.

        Woodguy is “Comic Book Guy” (Cerebral, “Guy”, Comics are made from?…thats right….wood pulp)

        OP is ” Grounds Keeper Willy” (the Beard and shirtless ripped body) (plus he is like the groundskeeper in here, constantly pruning the threads)

        LT is “Reverend Lovejoy” (So wholesome. The spiritual heart of the community)

        Andy is “GrandPa” ( Occasionaly Humourous but mostly Just Old and annoying)

        Shall I continue??

        DOCFAN is “Chief Wiggum” (Because nostalgia)

    • OilFire says:

      I totally get why both of you guys are at each other. However, I am super fascinated by the cognitive dissonance required for having a numbered section with a topic sentence describing how someone is a “psychological bully” who can “rationalize reasons… they’re entitled to act in (certain) ways” ALSO containing a section where you say something to the effect of “I was only insulting you because you made me.”

      Anyways, back to your regular fighting schedule you two, just struck me as funny.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    “This is the current Condors roster, the team struggled badly in February. I don’t believe there’s any way to call this team a failure when you consider what the Bakersfield bunch have delivered to the NHL. I imagine we’ll see Raphael Lavoie, Olivier Rodrigue, Filip Berglund and possibly Philip Broberg added to the Condors from the system this summer, plus a college signing or two.”

    Do you think there is any chance Phil Kemp puts pen to paper this off-season (I know he’s got one year of college eligibility left)?

    There is also Markus Niemelainen – I’m not so sure they sign him either although Howson did mention a while ago that he’s progressed this year.

    What about McPhee? I’m not so sure they sign him.

    I think Rasanen has another year left but would have to check.

  31. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Oilin4:
    Buyout Chiasson and give his contract to Tyler Ennis

    That is more or less what I am thinking, although a trade of some sort would be better than a buy-out, which I would like to see avoided at all costs…

  32. Shane says:

    Oh, the BoP and OP ego wars are still raging I see…

    Sigh..

  33. meanashell11 says:

    Shane,

    It’s “le sigh”!

  34. Andy Dufresne says:

    My favorite word in any Lowetide post, is the word “like”.

    I look forward to it like a carb addict at Easter.

    “hit posts and crossbars like they were playing the cowbell on “Honky Tonk Women” ”

    mmmmmm….mmmm….mmmmmm

    #ChocolateBunny

  35. dustrock says:

    tl; dr: do you even lift, bro.

  36. Bad Seed says:

    Bag of Pucks: Ok, it’s probably best to tackle these individually.

    1) The intent of this community.

    I think ‘community’ is the key word here. What is community? Imo, it’s not one person dominating with 20-30% of the posts daily. It’s not someone demanding that all other posters shouldn’t post about a certain topicbecause you’re the alleged expert on that topic and have already weighed in with your ‘conclusive’ opinion. It’s not changing the ‘intent’ of the community and forum for your own liking into your personal holiday instagram or facebook profile. Travel photos. Your sleeping schedule. Your workout routine. What’s next, are you going to start posting when you’re using the toilet?

    No offense, but I’ve been a part of this community way longer than you have. I remember it when it was much more analytics oriented and if you didn’t show your work, you weren’t likely to gain much traction with your saw him good opinions. I’m more qual than quant so those were not easy days for me, but I learned a ton! So, seeing this board dominated daily by your hot air is the single most profound change I’ve seen in this community since I started coming here. For all of the reasons I’ve cited above, you are a complete hypocrite to criticize others for ‘changing the intent of this community’ while leaving yourself blameless.

    2) Boundaries

    One thing you see fairly frequently on this community is posters defining healthy boundaries. One poster will say something along the lines of “I don’t agree with much of what you say, but I agree to your right to say it and will leave you to it from hereon.” Imo, this is what adults do. They don’t naively expect that everyone is going to like each other or agree with each other. Adults are smart enough to recognize personality types that they don’t coexist well with or that potentially trigger unwanted responses in them and it’s healthy and natural for an adult to define boundaries to minimize those interactions and responses.

    As an adult, I think it’s completely reasonable for me to say to you, I don’t enjoy interacting with you and would prefer we didn’t. There’s 1000s of other posters we can both interact with and as a result, our agreeing to not interact shouldn’t impair the enjoyment of this community one iota for either of us.

    In fact, I’ve asked you politely and on numerous occasions to do exactly this. If you would simply not reply or comment on my posts, I would offer you the same courtesy in perpetuity. Mutual accord would result. The rest of the board wouldn’t have to deal with this conflict and all that you’re sacrificing is the ability to interact with a single poster who has asked you nicely to respect a reasonable boundary to maintain civility.

    But you absolutely refuse to do this one simple thing under the belief that you’re entitled to comment on whatever and to whomever you like without restrictions. So it’s time to call out this behaviour for what it is…

    3) Narcississm

    Narcissists have an incredible capacity for psychologically bullying others, and most importantly, rationalizing reasons or excuses why they’re entitled to act in ways that increase conflict rather than decreasing it through easily achievalable accords. In today’s society, the rules of engagement have been made clear and aren’t up for debate. An individual has the right to request that another person leave them alone and respect healthy boundaries if they find that person to be problematic. The individual who refuses to respect these requests is the bully, whether that bullying behaviour is physical, emotional or mental.

    The narcissist also has zero compunctions about demanding one sided social contracts that favour them completely and demonstrate zero empathy to other individuals. Your solution? You change nothing. You still do whatever you want and if I don’t like your replies or comments to my posts, I can ignore them. One doesn’t have to look to far to see how this behavior empowers the bullying tactics of the previous point. The bully continues unabated, often with condescending or diminishing remarks, and the other individual has no other recourse but to continue to tolerate this dysfunctional behaviour. This is doubly problematic given the sheer volume of the behaviour and the seeming need of the narcissist to dominate the overall conversation.

    I went the fake twitter insult route because literally nothing else was working, so I thought, I’ll give him a negative reinforcement every time he replies to one of my posts and maybe that will finally condition him to stop. But of course, that didn’t work either.

    I think I’ve articulated (on numerous occasions) a completely reasonable adult solution to this issue that ends the problem immediately and permanently. The fact you refuse to even consider it speaks to larger entitlement issues imo. A person has told you in no uncertain times that they don’t wish to interact with you and you continue to force the interaction almost daily. What kind of reasonable person acts this way?

    As far as I can tell, you both live in Calgary. Why don’t you go find a barn and settle things there.

  37. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    leadfarmer,

    JJ for Ritchie was my hope. Ironic that it was actually Ritchie for Heinen.

    I would have been happy with either. Apparently it was not being able to make the cap work that scuttled the JJ for Heinen deal.

  38. Schitzo says:

    tileguy,

    Assuming equal bets on both teams, yes, it’s a money maker. But if total bets of $2M are placed on Toronto and only $500k on Florida, and Toronto wins, the house is still taking a massive hit because the payout is about $3.7M.

    Really all the odds are for is to tempt bets in whatever direction the house needs to even out the exposure.

  39. Bag of Pucks says:

    Bad Seed: As far as I can tell, you both live in Calgary.Why don’t you go find a barn and settle things there.

    Don’t live in Cowtown, thanks.

  40. Halfwise says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    OP posts a lot.

    You complain a lot about OP not living up to your expectations.

    Your complaints are well written. Clearly you are a thinking person.

    I get tired of your complaints faster than I get tired of his posts. As an adult, I choose what to do about my feelings. After viewing three dozen or so episodes of the OPBOP show I will write one comment:

    I don’t see any bullying. But do I see you unable to find an effective way to cope with OP, and in your weakness resorting to calling him a bully and a narcissist.

    That’s as unhelpful to the elusive but appealing spirit of this community as anything that OP does.

    So too might this comment be unhelpful. It’s my first, last and only comment on your little tiff.

    • OilFire says:

      I will also put my one comment on who is right here and then move on:
      -I don’t know.

      • OilFire says:

        Okay, okay. Actually I do have a second comment.

        I do sort of wish OP had chosen a different screen name. See, we already had a Pouzar, so now I start thinking things like “Who said that? Was it THE ORIGINAL Pouzar, or OriginalPouzar?” Now that this is the precedent, is the next fan who used Pouzar on other forums going to name himself OriginalOriginalPouzar?

        In a few years, we’re going to be like: “Oh my god, OOOOOOOP and OOOOOOOOOOOOOP are really fighting over over whether DeflectionCorsis and CorsiBlocks are really an orthogonal set”

    • Android says:

      +1

    • T0ML says:

      Sums up my thoughts exactly … OP Seems to not get tweaked on it in nearly the same fashion … Just skip the name, I know I do with a few others here on occasion.

  41. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    Ennis backchecks.Kassian does not.

    The thing is in the NHL it a team can beat up on a line and have the players to do it it’s the easiest road to deterring that line. I don’t think Tip sees Kassian as a great player, but it’s a big distraction to the opponent. They have to know where he is when he’s on instead of keying on Connor.

    Won’t stop interference or injuries, but perhaps it opens space and time. Ideally a player with more skill plays that role but they are hen’s teeth.

  42. Little Johnny Frostbite says:

    Halfwise,

    I will stick my pointy nose in for one second as well. I enjoy OP, until there are too many posts, which he has every right to make so long as our good and generous host allows it, and then I just tune out. Not a comment on quality or content at all. I don’t whine about it because it’s my problem, not his. He doesn’t make rape jokes, he doesn’t mis-use the term social justice warrior or snowflake out of context, and he doesn’t defend his right to certain controversial terms, or call people oversensitive for finding that inappropriate in 2020. I’ll leave it at that.

    OP, I apologize for speaking about you as if you’re not in the room! If I have one suggestion, I’d dial back the use of the word material, materially about 65%. 😀

    Lots of posters on here that I just don’t get, but I assume it’s me and not them. Usually. I would kill for an ignore button though.

    Back to lurking.

    • OilFire says:

      Hah, excellent subtle referral to a certain poster. That character gets some extra leniency around here, mostly because people have stopped trying to argue with a door stop.

      As far as an ignore button, DeadManWaking (forgotten his new screen-name but he’s the guy that writes like James Joyce) had written a code snippet allowing you to show the forum with certain posters removed. I think he had done it to clip out Caramel Obvious before he went on hiatus and then returned under a different name. Searching the history for DMW would probably locate it.

    • Halfwise says:

      What about “pocession”?

      We each have our pet peeve…

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Good post LJF.

      Theres an old saying…I know it becasue Im old 🙂 .. “Diversity is the Spice of Life”

      Not to get political, but diversity doesnt just inlcude LGBQT and Race, etc.

      It also includes personality type; those that we perceive as “other” etc

      We’ve all got to learn to live with others who dont think like we do; And even those who offend us. The Lowetide Cafe is a good safe place to practice those skills…imo

      Im old and Im still learning. I try and practice this a little every day.

      I’m not prescribing this to you, just describing.

      I trust this hasnt offended you. You should post more often.

      • Little Johnny Frostbite says:

        No offense taken, sir. Good points on the idea of this place as a cafe…you’re absolutely right..

        I’m old too…I turn 50 in a year and I’m dumb as the day I was born. 🙂

        @HW pocession gets me too, lol. Not as much as “I seen” though. Nails on the chalkboard. 😀

  43. DocFan says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Can I call Ralph Wigum?

    “So…do you like….stuff?

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Yes you can.

      Do you mean call it for you? DOCFAN is Ralph Wigum?

      • DocFan says:

        sorry, I should explain further.
        I was an obsessed Simpson’s fan until about season 57, at which point I couldn’t follow along anymore.

        I always appreciated Ralph Wigum’s character, so I got overly excited when we you suggested assigning characters to posters.

        That specific line (So…do you like….stuff) is from the Valentines day episode when Lisa agrees to be Ralph’s Valentine, and they are sitting on the swings and that’s Ralphs big conversation starter.
        Again, apologize for my over-excitement 😉

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          HA! season 57

          Thank you explaining……Chief Wiggum!

          Very Wiggum of you to feel you need to apologize 🙂

          Going forward….We shall endevour to tag / nominate others for a Simpsons nickname ( even though DOCFAN and I chose our own handles)

          Unless of course you are absolutely certain that you resemble one the characters so much that you feel it is your birth-right 🙂

          • Andy Dufresne says:

            I will check back at days end to see if there are any more nominantions and update the list accordingly.

  44. npanciroli says:

    I’m already on board to re-signing Ennis. See if he would be into a one or two year contract.

  45. N64 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    My favorite word in any Lowetide post, is the word “like”.

    Similes and smiles go together like old men and park benches.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    “Morrissey (upper body) may be ready to play for Saturday’s matchup with Edmonton, Brian Munz of TSN 1290 Winnipeg reports.”

  47. Dustylegnd says:

    Coming out of the trade deadline and heading for the end of February, the Oilers are 1-2-1 in the last four and March is coming in like a lion

    What was it Ryan Reeves said about Lions and other animals in the Jungle???

    How many games has it been since Kass was suspended????

    Godot’s head explodes

  48. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Oilin4:
    Buyout Chiasson and give his contract to Tyler Ennis

    Trade him, low salary, gets points, reliable player. Just not a fit with the Oilers.

    He’s got value even if low.

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where Alex Chaisson is on the roster to start 2021

      • Scungilli Slushy says:

        Hopefully it’s the famed three for one taking Neal and KRusty with him. Returning Hedman preferably.

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    Soon to be

    AA McDavid Kassian
    RNH Draisaitl Yamo
    Ennis Sheahan Archibald
    JJ Haas Chaisson

    This is the template for me (I think as described by Woodguy)

    This is some semblence of balance.

    If Ennis wins the spot away from Kassian. Thats Cool.

    But I think the spot is Kassians to lose.

    Hopefully he brings his A game physically as well as mentally / emoitionally, when he returns.

    It would be a shame if the deadline gains turned out to be two steps forward one step back….which is often the case.

    • ArmchairGM says:

      Kass has been resting and training for 2 weeks now (he has, right?), it’s different from being out with an injury. He should be full of energy tomorrow.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        prior to his recent “off the handle” actions ( Ragdoll Tkachuk and the Kick)

        For a long stretch there Nov / Dec Kass was playing with a kind of Calm in his game. You could see him think it. You could see him brushing off the oppontents taunts.

        We need THAT Kass. Even a calm Kass is still an agressive intimidating figure.

        Kass HAS TO be capable of taking a face wash from a Tkachuk.

        In fact, if I was the Coach, I would impress this apon Kass AND I would ask his teammates to step in and buffer Kass from these kind of petty attacks.

        I only want Kass engaged in fighting when its a clearly called for.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Why do you hate Neal?

      I’d swap him and JJ until JJ starts to press the issue. I know he’s good on the PK but a fourth line that is a threat to score changes the game’s dynamic. Plus you could double shift Connor once in a while and add another dangerous element.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        haha .. Yes. I agree with you.

        I was just assuming the Neal injury was going to keep him sidelined for most of March.. Thats why I said “soon to be”….Neal comes later 🙂

        I would have paid someting to move James Neals contract at the deadline. But James Neal has value for what we are about to experience for the balance of the season..imo

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    Right now, to my eye, and given a miniscule sample size, the deadlinie deals in terms of value are

    Ennis
    Green
    AA

    Which is GREAT. Because Green and AA were more the wildcards of the group

  51. Dicky94 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    I like this too. Just wondering if Zack might be peaking out of the doghouse a little bit on his return. Might have to work his way up from the 4th line?

  52. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Assignment O’ The Day;

    Assign every poster a Simpsons Charachter

    Note: It probably shouldnt be flattering

    Ill start.

    Woodguy is “Comic Book Guy” (Cerebral, “Guy”, Comics are made from?…thats right….wood pulp)

    OP is ” Grounds Keeper Willy”(the Beard and shirtless ripped body) (plus he is like the groundskeeper in here, constantlypruning the threads)

    LT is “Reverend Lovejoy”(So wholesome. The spiritual heart of the community)

    Andy is “GrandPa” ( Occasionaly Humourous but mostly Just Old and annoying)

    Shall I continue??

    Can I be the dog catcher with the Arnie accent?

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Yes you can.

      Can you tell me why?

      • Dicky94 says:

        I’ll be Ralph Wiggum. Inserting finger in my nose and eating glue as I type.

        • Andy Dufresne says:

          I would like too, but. DOCFAN beat you to it.

          ALSO, I would like to encourage everyone to take a shot at nominating someone other than themselves for a Simpons name.

          I think there are a few obvious ones. Can you see one?

  53. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Gotta give huge props to Holland. He has assembled the best lineup since McDavid landed in our lap, while dealing with major cap constraints. We can lose every single game for the rest of the season, and he still gets high marks from me. I was very skeptical of Holland, but he’s made me a believer.

    I love the fact that he can actually make trades. That aren’t mind numbingly stupid.

  54. Scungilli Slushy says:

    “hit posts and crossbars like they were playing the cowbell on “Honky Tonk Women” ”

    For me this is an instant classic LT.

    Nicely done!

  55. Bulging Twine says:

    I’m enjoying the passing of Bear, Green, and Jones

    Passing D with speedy forwards leads to a great rush game

    I know that Bouchard’s passing is elite

    I can’t remember though, how is Broberg’s passing?

  56. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    “Morrissey (upper body) may be ready to play for Saturday’s matchup with Edmonton, Brian Munz of TSN 1290 Winnipeg reports.”

    I’ve always wondered how he fits that hairdo under his helmet.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts&pndr:
    I think that Kassian will make a big difference on first line with the two speed merchants. Vegas played that line very physically. The opponents D will have to be a little more cautious when Kassianis back in the lineup with his physicality.

    I think one of the biggest benefits of Kassian back is that it would allow Ennis to slot in to 3LW with Sheahan and Archie significantly helping the speed and skill on that third line and making it a “real NHL 3rd line”.

    This assumes AA is OK and able to fill a 1W spot along with Kass.

    The other option, assuming a healthy Ennis, is just to move Kass to 3W with Sheahan and Archie – again, adding skill and speed to the line (but not the defensive 2-way acumen than Ennis brings).

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Chiasson has had to step up the past few games but has not / cannot.
    It also seemed like almost every time the Oilers were hemmed in their own zone for extended periods of time, he was on the ice the vast majority.
    Once Kass, KY return – I see Chiasson looking down from the PB for a while…

    Yes sir – with a “fully healthy lineup”, I see Chiasson as 13F.

    Who knows if we ever get there.

    Of note, that is amazing depth to have (and what WSH had when they won the cup, Chiasson played a bunch of playoff games but was scratched for the entire finals).

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:
    Chiasson is net front on the PP.Khaira is a key forward on the PK.They will play on the 4th line with Haas.

    Yup, the Nuge/Khaira is as PK2 (which sees PP1 mostly) is an important part of this team’s success.

    Khaira also being a physical player with “some skill” when he’s on his game, “should be” a playoff type guy.

    I’m hesitant to healthy scratch him as long as we continues to minimize his “game management” issues.

    I think Yamamoto emerging on PP1 (potentially) and Neal back as the net front guy would allow the option of healthy scratching Chiasson but I don’t disagree. I think the numbers show that Chiasson may be having more PP success than Neal this year (team success).

  60. Dicky94 says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Darn. He is the one who eats glue though.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Yes you can.

    Can you tell me why?

    He struck me as funny. Arnie’s accent and persona amuse me. Dry sense of humour I suppose.

    I also didn’t watch a ton of Simpsons in the last decades so I’m thin on characters these days.

    Fun idea BTW.

  62. Andy Dufresne says:

    Anyone wanting to nominate a fellow poster for a specific Simpsons name please do so .

    I will check back late tonight and compile a list.

    Peace Out

    “GrandPa”

    #GrandpPaAndy
    #Grampy

    • Wonder Llama says:

      I would like to nominate Stephen Sheps as Otto Mann.

      HH is Mr. Burns.

      I self-nominate as Troy McClure. (You may remember me from such posts as, well, probably none…)

      • buck yoakam says:

        this is too good….so OP is Kent Brockman ?….

      • stephen sheps says:

        “My name is Otto and I like to get blotto!”

        Is this nomination because I derail the thread every few weeks with tales of music and whisky? Because if it is, I’m thrilled.

        Genuinely, this is great. I love Otto, man!

    • judgedrude says:

      DSF as the Comic Book Guy – “Rest assured that I was on internet within minutes registering my disgust throughout the world.”

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64:
    https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-oilers-f-andreas-athanasiou-s-injury-not-believed-to-be-serious-1.1449413

    Bah with respect – that’s a report based off of Tippett’s post-game media avail last night where he said he “hoped” it isn’t serious but hadn’t talked to the player or any of the medical staff.

    He had no idea at the time and nothing has come out since (travel/off-day).

    At least that’s what I heard listening to Tip last night.

  64. GMB3 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    I also thought that was funny

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    BarQu:
    LT, I know you do a post where you identify which RFAs get the haircut, along with the other odds and sods who move out, but who do you think moves out for future UFA and college signings? I know the team is at 50 contracts now, so there is no room to sign for the spring, but do you think the team can afford to miss out on those players? Especially considering how thin the Bako is right now.
    Thanks.

    They can sign college free agents in the spring for 2020/21 contracts that start July 1.

    The current 50 contracts would only preclude them from signing such a player with the intent that the ELC kicks in right away (with the player playing this year) – those are really only the higher end college UFAs and, frankly, its not a common occurrence.

    For example, although not a UFA, Quinn Hughes signed his ELC this past March and played a few games last year burning the first year of his ELC.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Litke:
    Yes, apparently Yamo was on the ice yesterday. This, mixed with reports from Spec that he was walking with no limp as of… Tuesday(?) seem to be positive signs that Yamo could be back sooner than expected. Saturday would be awesome.

    I am really just anxiously awaiting Klef’s return. Over the past few seasons, it seems that as Klef goes, so do the the Oil. I think we have 1 win out of 5 now that he has been out? Mind you, again, tough opponents and schedule, but still. He makes all the difference back there.

    He is our best defenseman, bar none. Here’s hoping he comes back rested, pain-free, and ready for a long spring of hockey.

    I agree with you generally.

    Klefbom’s absence has been under-stated and massive. The team hasn’t fallen off a cliff like they have in year’s past due to much better depth and a guy like Jones being serviceable in the top 4.

    At the same time, the loss does really hurt – it takes away their best d-man and best PP d-man, it reduces the effectiveness of Nurse via more (and tougher) minutes, it hurts the bottom pairing by forcing Jones up, etc.

    From all accounts, he’s right on schedule and will be back next week – hopefully for Monday but we’ll see.

    —————————————

    Yes, its great that Kailer is with the team and skated yesterday but I think we should all “calm our tits” – I don’t imagine he’s gone from “week to week” to less than a week and playing on Saturday.

    I don’t think his return is “imminent” but likely not as long as we initially thought – thank goodness.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish: Buy out Neal and you have more play. Try to trade chiasson, 1 more year left on this contract

    Try and trade them both (Neal with material retainment, obviously).

    6 years of dead cap via a Neal buyout makes me feel a bit ill.

    Is Neal tradeable at 3 X $2.8M?

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot:
    When Klefbom gets back…

    Nurse Bear
    Klefbom Green
    Jones Larsson.

    Nurse and Bear to play the toughest opposition.
    Klefbom and Green to kill during the middle minutes a la PIeterangelo in St. Louis.
    Jones and Larsson for the remainder.

    Given last night, yes, we could see Green in a more material role than first thought.

    With that said, do you think Playfair goes away from the Nurse/Bear match with McDavid and the Klefbom hard minutes match?

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yamamoto on the ice for the OIlers’ optional skate this morning……………….

  70. stephen sheps says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Assignment O’ The Day;

    Assign every poster a Simpsons Charachter

    Note: It probably shouldnt be flattering

    Ill start.

    Woodguy is “Comic Book Guy” (Cerebral, “Guy”, Comics are made from?…thats right….wood pulp)

    OP is ” Grounds Keeper Willy”(the Beard and shirtless ripped body) (plus he is like the groundskeeper in here, constantlypruning the threads)

    LT is “Reverend Lovejoy”(So wholesome. The spiritual heart of the community)

    Andy is “GrandPa” ( Occasionaly Humourous but mostly Just Old and annoying)

    Shall I continue??

    DOCFAN is “Chief Wiggum” (Because nostalgia)

    This sounds fun. Who am I??

  71. drglen says:

    P Russell, actually, would not be the guy to take out of the lineup. At least he brings something tangible, softens things up, doesn’t cost us. He’s fine.

    Chaisson not fine. Granland not fine.

    If yamo not back, I think we could see Nuge as center.

    Haas has been busy but ineffective for 20 games here.. .. he does get in there on the forecheck but he seems to be very easy to defend,dispossess, and knock down. We should be grooming him for the pressbox also.

    If we’re so good why are we losing games here? ( because we’re not that good?) Obviously, without Kosky’s terrible non-save, and minus 3 crossbars, we might actually win that game… fair enough. But, it would appear the Klefbom is actually the glue holding the team together, and Yamo. Without those two, .. dangerous plays develop and percolate. We appeared to be on a penalty kill at full strength for 2/3 of the game.

    I don’t think Archie is well either. He’s holding back on something. (concussion?, lower back injury?) I feel he’s more reserved and protecting himself. Not the same.

    Oilers need to win some games here.

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    BagofPucks: Bag o

    With respect, your wall of text was not even worth reading or responding to as it had zero to do with me posting a substantive hockey response and you responding with repeated personal insults. With that said, I will just note:

    – I agree I post alot:

    – Its not my fault if that bothers you
    – 95% are directly related to hockey/the Oilers
    – its doesn’t actually seem to be your concern (where is your insults of Andy, he posts more in the
    mornings)?

    – Boundaries and your desire for me not to interact with you:

    – I’m sorry but that is your issue, again, not mine.
    – I respond to posts without even looking at poster name – if I have something to say, I say it. I do so
    without personal insult
    – you have every ability to simply not respond to my responses
    – instead, you respond to my responses with personal insult and your pretentious analysis of who I
    am as a person

    – Narcissism
    – Feel free to continue to use your personal assessment of me
    as a person in the majority of your posts. You know little
    about me and you insults don’t bother me.
    – Please note, I do not take personal shots at you (or anyone
    else) in my sports responses.

    I am done with this conversation (which you brought in to the new thread). I will continue to respond to any hockey post I wish to – I do so with hockey substance and not with personal attack.

    Feel free to simply morning my responses and this BS that everyone hates won’t happen.

    Feel free to get your “last word in” in response to this post.

    I will continue to go through the hockey comments from the last 5 hours and respond to them if I have things to say.

  73. Pouzar Poser says:

    Andy Dufresne: prior to his recent “off the handle” actions ( Ragdoll Tkachuk and the Kick)

    I enjoy some of the off the handle actions of Kassian. Not so much the kick, but I’m all in any time he ragdolls Tkachuk. I would have enjoyed it more if he did it when someone is taking liberties with McDavid.

    • pts2pndr says:

      Was the Kassian kick as injurious as the elbow by Soucy to Archibalds head that had him wearing head protection for two periods. We are very hard on our players while giving a pass on a great number of others who injure our players. The Ref’s either refuse to or are unable to protect the players. Parros and his group are a joke. We need to get rid of the instigator rule. The league needs to allow the players to protect themselves. Player discipline should be handled by the players association because the league has shown they are incompetent at doing so. End rant

  74. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yamamoto on the ice for the OIlers’ optional skate this morning……………….

    AA is also skating this morning which is GREAT news!

  75. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    ORIGINALPOUZARsays:
    February 27, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yamamoto on the ice for the OIlers’ optional skate this morning……………….

    AA is also skating this morning which is GREAT news

    OP literally responds to everyone 😉

  76. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: With respect, your wall of text was not even worth reading or responding to as it had zero to do with me posting a substantive hockey response and you responding with repeated personal insults.With that said, I will just note:

    – I agree I post alot:

    –Its not my fault if that bothers you – 95% are directly related to hockey/the Oilers – its doesn’t actually seem to be your concern (where is your insults of Andy, he posts more in the mornings)?

    – Boundaries and your desire for me not to interact with you:

    – I’m sorry but that is your issue, again, not mine.– I respond to posts without even looking at poster name – if I have something to say, I say it.I do sowithout personal insult– you have every ability to simply not respond to my responses– instead, you respond to my responses with personal insult and your pretentious analysis of who Iam as a person

    I am done with this conversation (which you brought in to the new thread). I will continue to respond to any hockey post I wish to – I do so with hockey substance and not with personal attack.

    Feel free to simply morning my responses and this BS that everyone hates won’t happen.

    Feel free to get your “last word in” in response to this post.

    I will continue to go through the hockey comments from the last 5 hours and respond to them if I have things to say.

    100% the reply (and behaviour) I expected.

    I tried to find a compromise solution and that’s all one can do.

    Have a nice life.

  77. Dustylegnd says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    I would like too, but. DOCFAN beat you to it.

    ALSO, I would like to encourage everyone to take a shot at nominating someone other than themselves for a Simpons name.

    I think there are a few obvious ones. Can you see one?

    I would like to nominate BOP as Sideshow Bob…

  78. Dustylegnd says:

    Dustylegnd: I would like to nominate BOP asSideshow Bob…

    or perhaps BOP and OP as Itchy and Scratchy…ya that’s the one

  79. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    @akaRCN

    Oilers injury news per Stauff…
    Yamamoto ~1 week
    Klefbom 7-10 days
    Neal ~ 2 weeks
    Nygard > 2 weeks
    Russell ???

    • giddy says:

      4-5 games more without Klef and Yam at best.. better than I expected.

      Good lord I am excited to see this team with all the pieces in.

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Try and trade them both (Neal with material retainment, obviously).

    6 years of dead cap via a Neal buyout makes me feel a bit ill.

    Is Neal tradeable at 3 X $2.8M?

    JP can do the org a solid by being awesome in Finland and Mr Neal can be the poison pill they have to eat to get him, full pop.

  81. pts2pndr says:

    Shane:
    If you’re so sick of it try something else like, oh, I dunno? Not engaging with each other maybe?

    Like, even if the other one does, don’t engage back.

    Just a suggestion of something I learned…in kindergarten.

    I was before kindergarten. Was this where you were taught all the things that parents used to teach.🤔

  82. jtblack says:

    Oilers play
    SAT
    MON
    TUES
    THURS (1 week)
    SAT (7 – 10 days)

    3 or 4 games without Yamamoto. And 4 or 5 without Oscar. I do think both are very important to the team’s success down the stretch.

    Hopefully these 2 come back and we don’t have any other major injuries ….

    This playoff chase will come right down to the wire !!!!!!

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    Post-optional skate interview with Zack,

    Nice to see him back – I always come away from listening to his avails with optimism – he’s great with the media. Here is hoping that, this time, his play on the ice is as impressive as his words in the scrum.

    He spoke specifically about playing the way he did earlier in the year – that, to me, makes it sound like he knows he was struggling over the last little while (it really dates back to December).

    Come on Zack – whether you are 1RW or on the 3rd line, you can be a positive contributor to this team – focus on what’s made you successful – a hard and aggressive forecheck and, please, focus on your defensive responsibiltiy in the own zone half boards.

  84. Darth Tu says:

    Yeah, sounds like Yamo is at most a week away – Stauffer said as much at lunch time. Klefbom also a week to 10 days away.

    Nygard is still a few weeks off. Russell was a great big “I have no idea”. AA – apparently not serious, shouldn’t miss much time if any, so I’m taking that to mean he might miss Saturday but is likely back for Monday in Nashville.

    How’s everyone feeling about fading Hellebuyck? I don’t really envy him when Connor and Drai are both in the running for the scoring title….

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Coming out of the trade deadline and heading for the end of February, the Oilers are 1-2-1 in the last four and March is coming in like a lion

    What was it Ryan Reeves said about Lions and other animals in the Jungle???

    How many games has it been since Kass was suspended????

    Godot’s head explodes

    I would suggest its more apt to look at the record in the games Klef has missed.

    Not that we couldn’t have used Kass over the last few weeks, in particular given the injuries up front.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Soon to be

    AAMcDavid Kassian
    RNHDraisaitlYamo
    Ennis Sheahan Archibald
    JJHaas Chaisson

    This is the template for me (I think as described by Woodguy)

    This is some semblence of balance.

    If Ennis wins the spot away from Kassian. Thats Cool.

    But I think the spot is Kassians to lose.

    Hopefully he brings his A game physically as well as mentally / emoitionally, when he returns.

    It would be a shame if the deadline gains turned out to be two steps forward one step back….which is often the case.

    That’s my lineup as well (with Nygard and Neal in play for line 4 when ready).

    Ennis has done well at 1RW but I think the above is better as Kass on the 3rd line creates two right wingers (Kass and Archie) so not ideal.

    The above has the two LW (Ennis and AA) playing LW and the two RW (Archie and Kass) playing RW.

  87. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Post-optional skate interview with Zack,

    Nice to see him back – I always come away from listening to his avails with optimism – he’s great with the media. Here is hoping that, this time, his play on the ice is as impressive as his words in the scrum.

    He spoke specifically about playing the way he did earlier in the year – that, to me, makes it sound like he knows he was struggling over the last little while (it really dates back to December).

    Come on Zack – whether you are 1RW or on the 3rd line, you can be a positive contributor to this team – focus on what’s made you successful – a hard and aggressive forecheck and, please, focus on your defensive responsibiltiy in the own zone half boards.

    A reset focused Kass will definitely help for the stretch drive, we need 2 points against the hungry but so-so Jets badly.

  88. Professor Q says:

    Darth Tu:
    Yeah, sounds like Yamo is at most a week away – Stauffer said as much at lunch time. Klefbom also a week to 10 days away.

    Nygard is still a few weeks off. Russell was a great big “I have no idea”.AA – apparently not serious, shouldn’t miss much time if any, so I’m taking that to mean he might miss Saturday but is likely back for Monday in Nashville.

    How’s everyone feeling about fading Hellebuyck? I don’t really envy him when Connor and Drai are both in the running for the scoring title….

    Maybe we’ll surprise everyone like the Kings did.

    Everyone was injured for the final month, they lost ground, then everyone was healthy for the playoffs and they did their deed.

    The goaltending in Edmonton is not as good, however.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Why do you hate Neal?

    I’d swap him and JJ until JJ starts to press the issue.I know he’s good on the PK but a fourth line that is a threat to score changes the game’s dynamic.Plus you could double shift Connor once in a while and add another dangerous element.

    Is Neal any more of a threat to score at 5 on 5 (with bottom six linemates) than JJ?

    Just checked: Neal is at 0.47 G/60 whereas Khaira is at 0.67 G/60 – I would suggest that Neal has had the better offensive linemates as well.

  90. Numenius says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would suggest its more apt to look at the record in the games Klef has missed.

    Not that we couldn’t have used Kass over the last few weeks, in particular given the injuries up front.

    Klef’s presence really seems to correlate with wins.

    I’ve been wondering if Benning’s perhaps does the same.

    Does anyone know where I could look that up?

  91. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Interesting take.

    However I would suggest that JJ scoring at that rate against bottom-6 competition suggests his ceiling, whereas Neal scoring at a similar rate against top-6 competition is his floor. Hopefully.

    I guess what I’m saying is, if I had to pick between the two I’d play Neal for the experience and better history of scoring. Maybe playing against lesser competition and spot duty on the PP is what he needs to get going again. JJ might benefit the perspective gained from the press box a game here, game there.

  92. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    Soon to be

    AAMcDavid Kassian
    RNHDraisaitlYamo
    Ennis Sheahan Archibald
    JJHaas Chaisson

    I think you mean a first line of

    AA, McHeyHey, “AA”

  93. OilClog says:

    The wits have got to be frayed if you’re dressing Alex Chaisson over JJ or Neal.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    @akaRCN


    Oilers injury news per Stauff…
    Yamamoto ~1 week
    Klefbom 7-10 days
    Neal ~ 2 weeks
    Nygard > 2 weeks
    Russell ???

    That’s good news on Kailer (given the “week to week”) but a bit disappointing on Klef – that puts him right within the 2-3 week timeline but at the outer end as opposed to the former.

    We are getting there – assuming no more.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    As an aside, I’ve been in touch with CapFriendly and they are standing by their advise that players traded after the deadline are ineligible to play for their new team in the regular season in addition to the playoffs.

    My prior understanding was that any such traded player could play in the regular season but not the playoffs and that seems to be the understanding of most.

    CapFriendly simply cited their source as “league source” without anything further.

    —————–

    As an aside, I also question CapFriendly’s advice that players that were on the NHL roster at the deadline cannot play in the AHL regular season. I had thought this was just a playoff eligibility “clear day”

  96. kanatacus says:

    Anyone have any insight on Ennis’ ability to play center. He’s listed at that position on multiple sites but I only ever recall him playing wing. Are these listings a holdover from his junior career or is he capable in that position?

  97. digger50 says:

    Who is this mysterious Patrick Russel character?

    Does he play? What does he do? How does he stay out of every conversation?

  98. SwedishPoster says:

    Filip Berglund with two new helpers, both primary, the first a nice PP pass the second a blast from the blue that almost trickled in on itself but needed a last push, was +2 in over 21 minutes of ice. One of the best players on the ice according to reports. Sign. The. Man. I’ll drive up to Skellefteå myself if Holland senses me the paperwork.

    Broberg was held off the scoresheet but was +1 in a little over 13 minutes of ice. Two sog, two shots wide.

    Skellefteå win their 9th straight and is up to third place in the league. In large part due to the very strong D group.

    • SwedishPoster says:

      Or instead of sensing me the papers he could send them. But I’ll work with what I’m handed. Really want to see this guy in Oiler silks.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Of note, as per Gregor on OilersNation, he’s been told that there is nothing at issue structurally with Klef’s shoulder but its just a strength thing.

    For what its worth.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Berglund with two assists today and was plus 2 in a 5-3 win – almost 22 minutes.

    Broberg was a plus with a couple of shots but only 13 minutes of ice.

  101. oilsnc79 says:

    ArmchairGM,

    Yes, that’s the dangerous part.

  102. docweb says:

    godot10: I think you mean a first line of

    AA, McHeyHey, “AA”

    And I am sure Kass is OK with that

  103. Bad Seed says:

    You guys have it all wrong – OP is obviously Ned Flanders.

  104. Rickety Cricket says:

    Having to read about OP and BoP lovers spat in every thread makes me miss DSF’s daily Vancouver prospect updates.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Who is this mysterious Patrick Russel character?

    Does he play? What does he do?How does he stay out of every conversation?

    Last night, he takes bad penalties.

    We have been fine with P. Russell in the lineup (well, at least I have) as a hard effort player that, while he doesn’t create anything, doesn’t give up anything.

    I don’t find him to be that player as often as every game or two he is making a material mistake that hurts the team, or has the potential to hurt the team.

    I also don’t find him to be the dogged forechecker that was part of his early “success”.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Filip Berglund with two new helpers, both primary, the first a nice PP pass the second a blast from the blue that almost trickled in on itself but needed a last push,was +2 in over 21 minutes of ice. One of the best players on the ice according to reports. Sign. The. Man. I’ll drive up to Skellefteå myself if Holland senses me the paperwork.

    Broberg was held off the scoresheet but was +1 in a little over 13 minutes of ice. Two sog, two shots wide.

    Skellefteå win their 9th straight and is up to third place in the league. In large part due to the very strong D group.

    Thanks for another solid update.

    Is there any intel on the player’s desire?

    Do we know that he has NHL aspirations and isn’t just comfortable playing at home and making a good living?

    Do we know, if he has NHL aspirations, if he has desire to sign with the Oilers as opposed to becoming unrestricted?

  107. tileguy says:

    I nominate Andy as………………… Kenny McCormick
    Can’t seem to kill him off.

  108. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: JP can do the org a solid by being awesome in Finland and Mr Neal can be the poison pill they have to eat to get him, full pop.

    That’s an interesting idea.

    Need a team who can afford to take both.

    Both (esp. JP) are good expansion bait tho…..

    Neal might be attractive to SEA because they need cap hits too….

  109. Darth Tu says:

    Professor Q: Maybe we’ll surprise everyone like the Kings did.

    Everyone was injured for the final month, they lost ground, then everyone was healthy for the playoffs and they did their deed.

    The goaltending in Edmonton is not as good, however.

    I would certainly like that. Fingers crossed.

  110. Darth Tu says:

    Scungilli Slushy: JP can do the org a solid by being awesome in Finland and Mr Neal can be the poison pill they have to eat to get him, full pop.

    That would be amazing if it somehow came to fruition. And gives Seattle their second/third line wingers in one fell swoop.

  111. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gret99zky,

    My comment was more related to “worst episode ever” , which is comic book guy’s signature line.

    The comments section here is certainly evolves over time….

  112. pts2pndr says:

    N64: OP literally responds to everyone 😉

    I do not necessarily agree with OP all the time but I find him an asset to this community. I truly enjoy his farm team updates.

  113. Gret99zky says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Same! First thing I highlighted to cut/paste/comment

    Probably laughed at this one a little too much TBH. (Heard the intro in my head, and then the picture arrived…oh…man…..hhahahhahhhahhahahhahahha)

    OMG

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61jfm219ArA

  114. jtblack says:

    how does LIGA scoring translate to NHL.

    JP has 49 points in 50 games. League Leader has 50 Points.

    He’s only 21. Surely some teams have to see value in this player … Hoping for more than a 2nd round pick if / when KH moves him ….

    • Darth Tu says:

      To use an OPism, I would take less than a first coming back if moving JP leads to a clean disposition of the Neal contract.

      And I like Neal, but the contract becomes a millstone pretty quickly as he ages. I get that it’s easier to buy out than Lucic’s contract was, but I’d rather see the whole thing gone if possible.

    • Darth Tu says:

      http://hockeyanalytics.com/Research_files/League_Equivalencies.pdf

      This gives the equivalency as being 0.54 for the Finnish Liga compared to the NHL.

      That works out to a 43-44 point player by my squinting estimation. Probably not worth a high first, especially with his known record in the NHL, and the running for Finland thing this year.

      I don’t think we get more than a second. I think he has more value packaged with someone as a sweetener to take a contract on. Neal, Russell etc.

  115. N64 says:

    pts2pndr: I do not necessarily agree with OP all the time but I find him an asset to this community. I truly enjoy his farm team updates.

    Concur.

    He had just said he responds to everyone’s comments if he wants to no matter who made them. Then he replied to one of his own!

  116. Yeti says:

    OriginalPouzar: Khaira also being a physical player with “some skill” when he’s on his game, “should be” a playoff type guy.

    Is ‘playoff type guy’ actually a thing or just a myth. It seems a bit like ‘clutch’ – no-one can measure it and it involves huge amounts of confirmation bias, but it’s also a fun thing to run with.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Claude Lemieux comes to mind.
      Johan Franzen would be another.
      Justin Williams is a current player.

      Good players, but come playoff time they hit another level.

  117. jtblack says:

    does Neal have to be protected in expansion draft? I am guessing yes.

    If so, and if you cannot move him, you buy him out …. Opens up 1 more spot so protect a valuable player AND it’s only $1.9 MIl per year. Allows us to add a McDavid winger for $4 Mil per .. or checking C or whoever …

    • Rickety Cricket says:

      He does not need to be protected. He does not have trade protection.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Clean disposition. It’s the name of the game.

      Or at a push retaining some sort of number less than the $1.9 mill per year in the buyout would also be preferable. The buyouts have been death by a thousand cuts.

      • Rickety Cricket says:

        Agreed. I would love it if Holland could dump Neal, Rusty, and Chiasson without retaining any money. Imagine the possibilities with all that cap space!

  118. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    SwedishPoster:
    Filip Berglund with two new helpers, both primary, the first a nice PP pass the second a blast from the blue that almost trickled in on itself but needed a last push,was +2 in over 21 minutes of ice. One of the best players on the ice according to reports. Sign. The. Man. I’ll drive up to Skellefteå myself if Holland senses me the paperwork.

    Broberg was held off the scoresheet but was +1 in a little over 13 minutes of ice. Two sog, two shots wide.

    Skellefteå win their 9th straight and is up to third place in the league. In large part due to the very strong D group.

    Thanks SP.

    Always appreciated.

  119. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar: Thanks for another solid update.

    Is there any intel on the player’s desire?

    Do we know that he has NHL aspirations and isn’t just comfortable playing at home and making a good living?

    Do we know, if he has NHL aspirations, if he has desire to sign with the Oilers as opposed to becoming unrestricted?

    In an interview earlier this season he said he’d met with Scott Howson and that they were happy with his progress but they were yet to talk contract. Sounded to me like he would gladly sign with the Oilers if they offered him a contract even if he didn’t express anything specific. I think the ball is very much with the Oilers.

    No doubt that he has NHL aspirations, he’s said so on several occasions.

  120. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Rickety Cricket:
    Having to read about OP and BoP lovers spat in every thread makes me miss DSF’s daily Vancouver prospect updates.

    No shit eh?

  121. pts2pndr says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    That’s a big ask. I think he can be coached to be more team conscious on the use of his pugilist talents.

  122. N64 says:

    godot10: I think you mean a first line of

    AA, McHeyHey, “AA”

    Welcome to the dark side. I was slightly more subtle:

    N64 says:
    February 24, 2020 at 1:00 pm
    ~ The McHeyHey – AA line ~

  123. Harpers Hair says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s an interesting idea.

    Need a team who can afford to take both.

    Both (esp. JP) are good expansion bait tho…..

    Neal might be attractive to SEA because they need cap hits too….

    Seattle will be coming into the league just as the cap is about to jump from the US TV deal.

    Given their deep pockets ownership, I would imagine they will be scooping up UFA players like there’s no tomorrow.

    Then they will likely fill around those players with a selection of the 31 players they can pick up in the expansion draft.

    The VGK template.

  124. Ryan says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    I haven’t been following too closely and didn’t read the entire post from either of you two.

    When I first started posting at this blog years ago. There was a very effective solution to the problem between OP and Bag of Pucks…

    In those days, there was far less verbal diarrhea here as well.

    If you didn’t post something clever or something analytics-based supported with work, punishment was meted out in a cold, effective, manner here.

    People just flat out ignored your posts.

    If people didn’t like what you had to say or didn’t like you at all.

    They just ignored you, completely.

    It was an interesting dynamic and very effective.

  125. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: That’s an interesting idea.

    Need a team who can afford to take both.

    Both (esp. JP) are good expansion bait tho…..

    Neal might be attractive to SEA because they need cap hits too….

    Who needs offensive forwards, size, PP specialist, cap?

    I can’t think of any but I don’t follow he league as closely as you do, beating the bookies and stealing their vig.

  126. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Darth Tu:
    http://hockeyanalytics.com/Research_files/League_Equivalencies.pdf

    This gives the equivalency as being 0.54 for the Finnish Liga compared to the NHL.

    That works out to a 43-44 point player by my squinting estimation.Probably not worth a high first, especially with his known record in the NHL, and the running for Finland thing this year.

    I don’t think we get more than a second. I think he has more value packaged with someone as a sweetener to take a contract on. Neal, Russell etc.

    Given the farm has a serious drought sending out JP and Neal for a couple of decent prospects wouldn’t be Chiarelliesque.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gregor says he’s heard that AA just has a bruise.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    how does LIGA scoring translate to NHL.

    JP has 49 points in 50 games. League Leader has 50 Points.

    He’s only 21. Surely some teams have to see value in this player … Hoping for more than a 2nd round pick if / when KH moves him ….

    From what I’ve read, the NHLe is a tiny smidge below the AHL.

  129. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: I do not necessarily agree with OP all the time but I find him an asset to this community. I truly enjoy his farm team updates.

    Unfortunately, noone gets excited to hear a “Stukel from Peluso and Espoito” update (as opposed to a “Bouchard from Jones and Yamamoto on the PP” update…….

    Oh, and thanks.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yeti: Is ‘playoff type guy’ actually a thing or just a myth. It seems a bit like ‘clutch’ – no-one can measure it and it involves huge amounts of confirmation bias, but it’s also a fun thing to run with.

    Fair point but I would say the increase in the physical play and “big boy hockey” in the first couple rounds of the playoffs is real – that is a style that should suit Khaira’s skill-set – if he is able to use his skill-set.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Rickety Cricket:
    He does not need to be protected. He does not have trade protection.

    Correct and, as an aside, if Lucic does not waive his NMC he indeed needs to be protected by the flames.

    Of course, the thought is that he would waive – why wouldn’t he? It helps his team and there is no chance of him being claimed in any event. With that said, until he actually does waive…..

  132. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    It really depends.

    I enjoy hearing about success from any of the players in BAK, but when they’re not legit prospects I pay less attention than I do with guys I expect to play for EDM. Bit player success becomes more of a footnote for the coaching staff’s record than anything. At least, for me it does.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    SwedishPoster: In an interview earlier this season he said he’d met with Scott Howson and that they were happy with his progress but they were yet to talk contract. Sounded to me like he would gladly sign with the Oilers if they offered him a contract even if he didn’t express anything specific. I think the ball is very much with the Oilers.

    No doubt that he has NHL aspirations, he’s said so on several occasions.

    Excellent – thank you.

    I don’t imagine any reason why the Oilers wouldn’t want to sign this guy and I recall Howson intimating they would do so the last time he was on Oilers Now about a month or so ago.

  134. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Gregor says he’s heard that AA just has a bruise.

    Oh, so he is delicate then?

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ottawa up 2-0 on Vancouver half way through the first.

  136. tileguy says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    WG says “
    TOR (-115) at FLA (-105) – Both teams have weak Dcorps and variable goalering. The bookies know there will be goals (Over 7.0 +100)

    3-3 after 1 period, hmmmmm looking good WG!

  137. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Yeti: Is ‘playoff type guy’ actually a thing or just a myth. It seems a bit like ‘clutch’ – no-one can measure it and it involves huge amounts of confirmation bias, but it’s also a fun thing to run with.

    I don’t think many can consistently turn it up come playoffs, but it’s true the game changes and it’s more physical.

    Everyone tries hard and the whistles disappear meaning much more obstruction.

    Many players aren’t as good in that environment. You hope your bigger more physical guys step up.

    Which is why if they can also make plays they are valuable. JJ for example has more game than Russell despite not being consistent. Other GMs obviously see the potential not realized yet.

  138. tileguy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I don’t think many can consistently turn it up come playoffs, but it’s true the game changes and it’s more physical.

    Everyone tries hard and the whistles disappear meaning much more obstruction.

    Many players aren’t as good in that environment. You hope your bigger more physical guys step up.

    Which is why if they can also make plays they are valuable. JJ for example has more game than Russell despite not being consistent. Other GMs obviously see the potential not realized yet.

    I would just like to add that Chaser and Neal, not to forget Zach, Nurse and Larson are all tough greasy bastards to play against and are made for playoff runs. I am very excited about the playoffs if we get there this year. You know, even Draisaitl can be a bitch to play against.

    • Scungilli Slushy says:

      True. It’s just that Deal and Chaser (what he does being behind the play) skate like they don’t have knees. One straight bone.

      I think it impacts their 5v5 which suck.

      Love Gagner the person. Have never liked that his skating has betrayed his high talent.

  139. OilClog says:

    Chaisson can’t win a net presence battle if his life depended on it, 4 strides behind every play.. This guy isn’t coming in a turning into some sort of playoff gritensity super hero.

    Larsson can’t handle the damn Vegreville Golden Cousins, he also isn’t going to arrive on the scene as a gritensity super hero. Guy tries to line up a hit and literally misses by 3 feet lol.

    Neal, he was able to hit a few bodies before his ankle went twisty, and he’s much better at making his stick a factor on the PP and much more difficult to move out the way over Chaisson useless Burlap sack routine.

    If the Oilers do have a gritensity super hero in their midst its Mama Kass, he was the flying smiling torpedo way back in 2016, now he has added kicks to his arsenal. True progress.

    With the way the season has been going it should be 78% high fives in here while there’s a good natured 22% bickering over everything else. Nurses contract, possible sideburns, and why Lowetide hates Smid.

    The who’s the most righteous poster or the days of yearning for fucking Canuck prospect updates should be done during seasons where we’re talking about the draft Oct 26th or so.

    I miss those charts with the red and blue circles with the various depths of shading, arguing about circles was fun.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Good point, actually.

      Why does Lowetide hate Vollman’s sledgehammers all of the sudden? Is it because they’re unavailable since he was hired by the LAK?

      • OilClog says:

        No matter what you could refer to the circles and see the Nuge good.

        • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

          Bullshit. Guy’s never even cracked 50 points before!

          • OilClog says:

            But he had a big blue circle in a red zone or a small red circle in a blue zone, he was always lonely in his zone shining bright though.

            Alas never hitting that magical 50 bean, all for naught.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ottawa’s 2-0 lead holding half way through the 2nd and Nashville up 1-0 on the flames in the first (and, for me, that is the preferred result, Preds regulation win).

  141. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: Oh, so he is delicate then?

    The thought crossed my mind…….

  142. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: for me, that is the preferred result, Preds regulation win).

    Sets up Flames missing or having to play Central 1.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    tileguy: I would just like to add that Chaser and Neal, not to forget Zach, Nurse and Larson are all tough greasy bastards to play against and are made for playoff runs. I am very excited about the playoffs if we get there this year. You know, even Draisaitl can bea bitch to play against.

    Chiasson can throw the odd hit and win the odd battle but, Neal, when he’s healthy and motivated, can be a tough SOB to play against – he’s a big body that uses his size on the boards and he’s also dirty, sometimes sneaky dirty but sometimes just dirty.

    We’ve seen some nights and short stretches where he’s a force in the offensive zone possession game.

    I don’t think he can play that way nightly for long, however, for the first round of the playoffs, if he’s healthy and rested, he could be a load.

  144. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: Seattle will be coming into the league just as the cap is about to jump from the US TV deal.

    Given their deep pockets ownership, I would imagine they will be scooping up UFA players like there’s no tomorrow.

    Then they willlikely fill around those players with a selection of the 31 players they can pick up in the expansion draft.

    The VGK template.

    “When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated,” Prince (CEO of Citigroup) said. “But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance.” circa 2007

    From Margin Call:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOYi4NzxlhE&t=6s

    I am standing here tonight and I don’t here a thing. (dramatic pause) Just silence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbD_kBJc_gI

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64: Sets up Flames missing or having to play Central 1.

    The flames missing the playoffs by one point is number 2 on my “to do list” every year, right after the Oilers making the playoffs. Aside from the above beautiful ramification, it helps the Oilers stay in a top 3 Pacific playoff spot.

    Things still look bright for a top 3 division spot – the Markstrom injury is major for Vancouver as Demko is still young and developing. If the Oilers can get somewhat healthy and stay somewhat healthy, they should be a lock for at least a 2-3 spot in the division and I have zero doubt a fairly healthy Oilers team is in the same tier as Vegas.

    Klef and Kailer – just get those two healthy and don’t lose anyone else material.

  146. OriginalPouzar says:

    flames tie it up in the opening minute of the 2nd period.

  147. OriginalPouzar says:

    flames take a 2-1 lead in the 2nd and the canucks cut their deficit to 2-1 heading in to the third.

  148. OilClog says:

    People understand that bruises can hurt more then breaks when they occur right? Tough guy central around here, Andreas would probably curb stomp the lot of you in person imo.

  149. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    flames take a 2-1 lead in the 2nd and the canucks cut their deficit to 2-1 heading in to the third.

    Would be prudent to take a look in the rear view mirror.

    Winnipeg leading Washington 1-0 in the second.

    Miinnesota leading Detroit 6-1.

    This thing is far from over.

    • OriginalPouzar says:

      Laine has left tonight’s game and will not return.

    • OilClog says:

      Who looks behind them when they’re being lead by a 23yr old Connor McDavid and a 24yr old Leon Draisaitl, it’s far from over but this is a group looking ahead with confidence and conviction. It’s impossible for the sky to be falling when it’s actually opening up and it’s blue skies as far as the eyes can see.

      Your verbal is sweet, we can all feel the internal battles you’re struggling with watching it all unfold. You want to cheer for the Oilers so badly but pride is stopping you.

      Please keep posting, watching this struggle with the internal battle is beautiful and the skies may part for you yet. It’s not too late, you can get a 97 jersey maybe for 2022 or something.

  150. OriginalPouzar says:

    3-1 Sens in the third – excellent stuff.

  151. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Chiasson can throw the odd hit and win the odd battle but, Neal, when he’s healthy and motivated, can be a tough SOB to play against – he’s a big body that uses his size on the boards and he’s also dirty, sometimes sneaky dirty but sometimes just dirty.

    We’ve seen some nights and short stretches where he’s a force in the offensive zone possession game.

    I don’t think he can play that way nightly for long, however, for the first round of the playoffs, if he’s healthy and rested, he could be a load.

    Was thinking about Chiasson, Burakovsky, and AA.

    The Avs grabbed Burakovsky for only a second and a third. It would be patently obvious to anyone that our draft picks would have had more value than the Avs for 2020.

    http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf

    Lots of posters were clamoring for a Burakovsky trade last summer.

    Wonder why Holland didn’t forgo signing Chiasson for which he had to know was a poor bet of a contract and trade for Burakovsky?

  152. JimmyV1965 says:

    Not sure if this has been addressed or not today; I was really pissed when Russell took that selfish tripping penalty in the ozone last night. I thought Tipp should have stapled him to the bench. For some reason, he played him with McDavid. What would be the reasoning behind this?

  153. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack:
    how does LIGA scoring translate to NHL.

    JP has 49 points in 50 games. League Leader has 50 Points.

    He’s only 21. Surely some teams have to see value in this player … Hoping for more than a 2nd round pick if / when KH moves him ….

    About the same as AHL scoring translates.

  154. godot10 says:

    Ryan: Was thinking about Chiasson, Burakovsky, and AA.

    The Avs grabbed Burakovsky for only a second and a third. It would be patently obvious to anyone that our draft picks would have had more value than the Avs for 2020.

    http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf

    Lots of posters were clamoring for a Burakovsky trade last summer.

    Wonder why Holland didn’t forgo signing Chiasson for which he had to know was a poor bet of a contract and trade for Burakovsky?

    Same reason that he did not pursue JT Miller.

    He did not know if he was going to have McDavid for any part of this season late in June. So it maeant trading draft picks for last June and upcoming June extremely dangerous and unwise.

    Holland could not trade draft picks until he knew when McDavid would be back.

    McDavid’s injury effectively meant that he could only pursue UFA’s. Hence the pursuit of Connelly.

    • Ryan says:

      Thanks. Makes sense that the value of the picks would have been sky high with a delayed return.

      Giio really screwed us.

      Hopefully AA works out as well.

      Nice of LT to highlight his stellar career 5v5 goal per hour rate.

      I don’t say it enough but Lt is one hell of a good writer.

  155. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    3-1 Sens in the third – excellent stuff.

    3-2 now.

    Toffoli now with 4 goals and 6 points in 4 games with the Canucks.

  156. Harpers Hair says:

    Harpers Hair: 3-2 now.

    Toffoli now with 4 goals and 6 points in 4 games with the Canucks.

    5-2 Ottawa.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobby Ryan with two late goals to complete the hattrick and finish off the Cancuks who lose 5-2 in regulation.

    So happy for Bobby – don’t know him at all personally but do have some insight in to what he’s gone through and the work he’s put in to get to where he is right now, at this moment.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    flames up 2-1 a few minutes in to the third.

    While the optimal result is a Preds regulation win, at this point, I think I may “hope” for no more goals at all. Flames in regulation is a much better result than any three point game.

  159. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Bobby Ryan with two late goals to complete the hattrick and finish off the Cancuks who lose 5-2 in regulation.

    So happy for Bobby – don’t know him at all personally but do have some insight in to what he’s gone through and the work he’s put in to get to where he is right now, at this moment.

    A great night for him and the crowd was chanting his name all night long.
    Must feel good for him.

  160. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Would be prudent to take a look in the rear view mirror.

    Winnipeg leading Washington 1-0 in the second.

    Miinnesota leading Detroit 6-1.

    This thing is far from over.

    I thank you for your suggestion but will continue to make my own determination on the most prudent games of the evening vis-a-vis my favorite team.

    My eye is definitely on the wild card race teams but more focussed on the top 4 Pacific teams at this moment in time.

  161. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: A great night for him and the crowd was chanting his name all night long.
    Must feel good for him.

    Especially against the crybaby flopping Canucks.

  162. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan:
    I think that’s what they call the dead cat bounce

    The Kings have been unable to score goals literally for years despite winning the fancy battle most of the time.

    Toffoli immediately got Petterson and Miller as linemates and is taking advantage.

    Word is the Canucks have already opened contract talks with him but given their cap issues it may be tough to hang on to him.

  163. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Not sure if this has been addressed or not today; I was really pissed when Russell took that selfish tripping penalty in the ozone last night. I thought Tipp should have stapled him to the bench. For some reason, he played him with McDavid. What would be the reasoning behind this?

    I mentioned above, he is a fine 12F if he’s a net zero player which means he’s giving up nothing but, over the last month, he’s started to make plays that hurt the team, or have the potential to hurt the team.

    He isn’t even contributing to an effective forecheck/possession line at this time.

    He’s regressed from a feel good story of a hard-working guy that has earned the coaches trust back to a tweener that needs to be pushed down and out of the lineup.

    With a healthy forward group, he’s not in the lineup I don’t think.

  164. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I thank you for your suggestion but will continue to make my own determination on the most prudent games of the evening vis-a-vis my favorite team.

    My eye is definitely on the wild card race teams but more focussed on the top 4 Pacific teams at this moment in time.

    I my me.
    Got it.

  165. wolf8888 says:

    Harpers Hair,

    How did the Canucks do tonight, speaking of which?

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: 3-2 now.

    Toffoli now with 4 goals and 6 points in 4 games with the Canucks.

    I don’t think many doubted that Toffoli was going to be productive with the Canucks.

    The “concern” with the trade was (and is) the price paid for the length of time he will be with the team and if this was the right year to make that type of trade.

    Of course, a re-sign is an option (although it didn’t sound like it was likely) but then, of course, you are paying UFA money for a late 20s player (28 when the contract starts) for his decline years.

    I did notice that despite his goal tonight, he was negative at 5 on 5 (also notice Myers was on for 4GA at 5 on 5 and 0GF).

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugh, Preds tie it up, only a few minutes left in regulation now.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hey, Mangiapane gives the flames the lead with under a minute to go.

    Not the ideal result but better than OT!

  169. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hey, Mangiapane gives the flames the lead with under a minute to go.

    Not the ideal result but better than OT!

    Good call.
    Going to OT.

  170. thepeetso says:

    Bah!!!!

    Preds tie it up with 0.2 left

  171. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Hey, Mangiapane gives the flames the lead with under a minute to go.

    Not the ideal result but better than OT!

    But OT was better than a Flames win.
    Expecting 0.5B Pysankas to host Nashville. Nice to see Flames miss a point and Dys miss two.

  172. flea says:

    lol Flames, way to blow that one.

  173. N64 says:

    WG Leaderboard preview

    Crapific
    VGP 14 13
    VAN 11
    EDM 10

    Wildcard
    NSH 9
    CGY 8

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 6
    WPG 6
    ARI 4

  174. leadfarmer says:

    Reja: Especially against the crybaby flopping Canucks.

    Canucks got a minimum of two more weeks of Demko that a big downgrade from
    Markstrom

  175. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Canucks got a minimum of two more weeks of Demko that a big downgrade from
    Markstrom

    Yes.
    Demko is a notch below.
    But Ottawa’s no name goalie was the difference tonight.

  176. jp says:

    I didn’t watch the 2nd or 3rd periods last night but Chiasson seems to have become the chosen whipping boy over the last 24 hrs.

    I can’t say that I like him but I also have a hard time getting upset about him. And I don’t think he’s at all a problem on the Oilers roster.

    There’s no question he looks like crap out there. And he does suppress offence. But it’s for everyone, which isn’t always a bad thing.

    So no, you shouldn’t be playing him with McDavid (likely not Nuge-Draisaitl either) but otherwise I see zero issue with him as a bottom 6 forward (who’s also used, with solid results, on the PP).

    PP first:
    Huh, seems like Chiasson has the best on ice results of all Oilers at 5v4. Only marginally better, but he’s actually better than McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge and everyone else in shots, goals, xGoals per 60.

    I don’t give him a lot of credit for that, but he’s there on the PP and he sure as hell isn’t a drag.

    At 5v5:
    He’s somewhat sheltered by TOI vs Elites (though in a large group that isn’t McDavid, Draisaitl, Kassian, Nuge, Yamamoto).

    What happens: the Oilers are outshooting the opposition when he’s on the ice. His DFF% is also positive, and his DFF% vs Elites is better than team average.

    He’s -1 in GF/GA at even strength for an Oilers team that’s -16 overall (and -2 vs -19 at 5v5). His 5v5 GA/60 is the lowest the 12 forwards who’ve played >400 minutes. His GF/60 is 8th of the 12.

    I dunno. It almost seems like he’s helping the team.

    I just can’t get worked up over Chiasson’s contract or his spot in the lineup. I’ve tried. Seriously. I just keep coming back here. He doesn’t seem to actually be a problem at all. Not sexy, but not a problem.

  177. Scungilli Slushy says:

    jp:
    I didn’t watch the 2nd or 3rd periods last night but Chiasson seems to have become the chosen whipping boy over the last 24 hrs.

    I can’t say that I like him but I also have a hard time getting upset about him. And I don’t think he’s at all a problem on the Oilers roster.

    There’s no question he looks like crap out there. And he does suppress offence. But it’s for everyone, which isn’t always a bad thing.

    So no, you shouldn’t be playing him with McDavid (likely not Nuge-Draisaitl either) but otherwise I see zero issue with him as a bottom 6 forward (who’s also used, with solid results, on the PP).

    PP first:
    Huh, seems like Chiasson has the best on ice results of all Oilers at 5v4. Only marginally better, but he’s actually better than McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge and everyone else in shots, goals, xGoals per 60.

    I don’t give him a lot of credit for that, but he’s there on the PP and he sure as hell isn’t a drag.

    At 5v5:
    He’s somewhat sheltered by TOI vs Elites (though in a large group that isn’t McDavid, Draisaitl, Kassian, Nuge, Yamamoto).

    What happens: the Oilers are outshooting the opposition when he’s on the ice. His DFF% is also positive, and his DFF% vs Elites is better than team average.

    He’s -1 in GF/GA at even strength for an Oilers team that’s -16 overall (and -2 vs -19 at 5v5). His 5v5 GA/60 is the lowest the 12 forwards who’ve played >400 minutes. His GF/60 is 8th of the 12.

    I dunno. It almost seems like he’s helping the team.

    I just can’t get worked up over Chiasson’s contract or his spot in the lineup. I’ve tried. Seriously. I just keep coming back here. He doesn’t seem to actually be a problem at all. Not sexy, but not a problem.

    He’s a stable player for sure. As for goals he has 8 but 5 are PP.

    Normally players like him don’t get PP, and a 4 th liner should score 10 goals on average.

    Which means he is unproductive. He was a marginal NHL player when he was signed to his deal. Holland had his reasons which Connor’s injury as mentioned explains.

    Players with some skill that have trouble keeping their career almost always don’t skate well at an NHL level.

    I have no idea why they don’t find improvement. It’s available to them. But not finding it ends careers.

    Gagner is probably done, if they buy out AP which I hope they don’t he’s probably done as well.

    Nice guys but winning is what matters, they know how it works.

    I’m sure Holland is wanting to see some fight from them to keep going, both players offered up pretty vanilla efforts when the chips were down.

    I expect around 5 new players next season. A couple might be this year’s deals. Thankfully Holland likes speed and skill. Which has always been the hallmark of most productive players.

  178. Munny says:

    jp,

    This is a very thoughtful post, thank you for the info.

    The funny thing about me is… I’m all over puckiq and naturalstat when it’s Pin-the-tail-on-the-trade-target. But I almost never use either, at least on a regular basis in-season, to review our own roster.

    I wonder if it’s from seeing the players too much?

    (I mean besides my obvious innate laziness)

  179. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes.
    Demko is a notch below.
    But Ottawa’s no name goalie was the difference tonight.

    Considering the Canucks have to play 16 games in March, including 3 B2Bs, you’re going to get to see how well the Canucks’ no-name goalie plays too…

    Are you pumped?

    #twonotchesbelow

  180. Munny says:

    N64:
    WG Leaderboard preview

    Crapific
    VGP 14
    VAN 11
    EDM 10

    Wildcard
    NSH 9
    CGY 8

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 6
    WPG 6
    ARI 4

    Whatever you say, Super Nintendo Chalmers.

  181. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    N64:
    WG Leaderboard preview

    Crapific
    VGP 14
    VAN 11
    EDM 10

    Wildcard
    NSH 9
    CGY 8

    Out of playoffs
    MIN 6
    WPG 6
    ARI 4

    Pysankas are 13 over Bettman, not 14

  182. jp says:

    Scungilli Slushy: He’s a stable player for sure. As for goals he has 8 but 5 are PP.

    Normally players like him don’t get PP, and a 4 th liner should score 10 goals on average.

    Which means he is unproductive. He was a marginal NHL player when he was signed to his deal. Holland had his reasons which Connor’s injury as mentioned explains.

    Players with some skill that have trouble keeping their career almost always don’t skate well at an NHL level.

    I have no idea why they don’t find improvement. It’s available to them. But not finding it ends careers.

    Gagner is probably done, if they buy out AP which I hope they don’t he’s probably done as well.

    Nice guys but winning is what matters, they know how it works.

    I’m sure Holland is wanting to see some fight from them to keep going, both players offered up pretty vanilla efforts when the chips were down.

    I expect around 5 new players next season. A couple might be this year’s deals. Thankfully Holland likes speed and skill. Which has always been the hallmark of most productive players.

    If you look at just goals the cutoff between 3rd and 4th line forward is actually 8 or 9 goals depending on the year. 10 goals isn’t average for a 4th liner.

    It may be hard to believe (I was a bit surprised when looked it up just now), but Alex Chiasson has actually never never had a season that’s fallen even into 4th line goal scoring territory. Every year of his career he’s scored goals at a 3rd line rate or better. It’s often been at the low end of 3rd line, and he hasn’t done his scoring at evens this season, but he’s consistently scored better than a 4th line forward throughout his NHL career, across 5 teams.

    I think it’s also a big stretch to say Chiasson was a marginal NHL player when Holland signed him. Aside from his scoring history (above) he was coming off a season where he scored 22 goals and played 17 minutes a night.

    I’m not even arguing it was a good deal, but it wasn’t terrible. I wouldn’t have signed him to it, but mainly because Holland had so little money and it blocked other moves.

    I’m not sure what the “pretty vanilla efforts when the chips were down” is about, but Chiasson’s on ice results are better than the average Oiler on the season so far. That’s the bottom line for me.

    He’s totally meh, but i don’t agree that he deserves to be a lightning rod. Or that he should be in the PB. Or that he needs to be bought out/moved.

  183. jp says:

    Munny:
    jp,

    This is a very thoughtful post, thank you for the info.

    The funny thing about me is…I’m all over puckiq and naturalstat when it’s Pin-the-tail-on-the-trade-target.But I almost never use either, at least on a regular basis in-season, to review our own roster.

    I wonder if it’s from seeing the players too much?

    (I mean besides my obvious innate laziness)

    Heh, that is funny. I guess it’s not laziness since you do it for trade targets. And thanks.

  184. OriginalPouzar says:

    Assuming the boys have a full practice today at home which is great as they generally come out with strong performances after Tip, Playfair and Gully have a chance to work with the boys.

    Will be really interested to see if Klefbom and/or Yamamoto are participants in practice. They are both about a week away (speculated) but it would be nice to see them at actual practice.

    I assume AA is a full participant but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    Assuming AA plays, I wonder when they put Ennis and Kass – maybe Kass slots in the 2RW spot that has been an issue with Kailer out? Or perhpas Ennis goes there and Kass to 1RW?

    Will Green start up the lineup with Jones – they were quite good together last game.

    I assume Smith starts.

  185. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: The Oilers’ 2017 draft and the value of waiting five years

    https://theathletic.com/1641391/2020/02/28/oilers-2017-draft-and-the-value-of-waiting-five-years/

  186. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes.
    Demko is a notch below.
    But Ottawa’s no name goalie was the difference tonight.

    Notch below?
    Thats like saying i loosened my belt by one notch when you had to drill a new hole 3 inches away from the last one

  187. Ryan says:

    jp: If you look at just goals the cutoff between 3rd and 4th line forward is actually 8 or 9 goals depending on the year. 10 goals isn’t average for a 4th liner.

    It may be hard to believe (I was a bit surprised when looked it up just now), but Alex Chiasson has actually never never had a season that’s fallen even into 4th line goal scoring territory. Every year of his career he’s scored goals at a 3rd line rate or better. It’s often been at the low end of 3rd line, and he hasn’t done his scoring at evens this season, but he’s consistently scored better than a 4th line forward throughout his NHL career, across 5 teams.

    I think it’s also a big stretch to say Chiasson was a marginal NHL player when Holland signed him. Aside from his scoring history (above) he was coming off a season where he scored 22 goals and played 17 minutes a night.

    I’m not even arguing it was a good deal, but it wasn’t terrible. I wouldn’t have signed him to it, but mainly because Holland had so little money and it blocked other moves.

    I’m not sure what the “pretty vanilla efforts when the chips were down” is about, but Chiasson’s on ice results are better than the average Oiler on the season so far. That’s the bottom line for me.

    He’s totally meh, but i don’t agree that he deserves to be a lightning rod. Or that he should be in the PB. Or that he needs to be bought out/moved.

    You’re a smart person and I enjoy our discussions.

    Here’s the “but”

    Your defense of Chiasson is unfounded.

    We’re talking about a $2.15m cap hit.

    It didn’t take more than a blog reader in their basement to know that Holland was paying for a heater that long ago ended or that we were paying for PP minutes and heavy minutes at evens with Draisatl that he didn’t earn deserve,and would never see again.

    As for goal rate.

    Chiasson has 0.29 goals per hour at evens. Second worse on the team only better than Nygard.

    For reference, JJ scores 0.6 per hours do Sheahan 0.5.

    At evens, Chiasson is 0.68 points per hour.!!?!

    That’s 3rd worse on the team ahead of only Russell and Cave.

    That’s below replacement level.

    I’m sorry, but there’s no defending paying over $2m for a winger who’s 6th worst in NHL at 5v5 production (over 500 min played).

    I said the past summer that Chiasson would be a buyout candidate.

  188. OriginalPouzar says:

    1) Slepyshev – sounds like he wants to give the NHL another try and, yes, in my opinion, assuming he’s willing to sign a one-year $900K (give or take) contract, its a no-brainer. He may not actually make the team, we don’t know if his uptick in play is a heater and, given if it isn’t, if it will translate to the NHL, but its a no-risk contract (just a spot on the 50). I do think he has every ability to be a solid 3rd line NHL player with maybe still some top 6 upside. Sounds like his game has matured and the guy can skate and shoot and isn’t “dumb offensively”

    2) Berglud – this is a no-brainer ELC contract assuming the player is willing (and from accounts he is). He would be a reasonable darkhorse for NHL minutes next year. Some think he is already 3RD ready subject to maybe some AHL seasoning for North America. Either way, he need to be in Western North America next year.

    3) Markus Niemelainen – he put his name back on the radar for an NHL contract this season – Howson did speak about potentially signing him about a month ago – not a no-brainer like Berglund but he’s got a shot at an NHL contract.

    4) Jesse Puljujarvi – come on Jesse, sign your damn QO next year – that will make you easier to trade at the draft or come to camp, earn a roster spot and maybe even a top 6 spot and continue to develop in to an NHL player.

  189. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Mike Green will be out for a bit with his lower body injury.

    https://twitter.com/JasonGregor/status/1233434176965074944

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