The 50-Man

If the season resumes in the next few weeks, the earth will move under our feet again. If things remain dormant through summer, then we have some conclusions to make on the current roster and the 50-man list ahead. Interesting times.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: What does Jesse Puljujarvi’s Liiga season tell us about his future?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Oilers plan to help arena workers unclear with games postponed
  • Lowetide: NHL season on hold might impact Oilers evaluations, summer plans
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Key questions surround Oilers in wake of NHL’s coronavirus suspension
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Murat Ates: ‘It hits you so hard’: Health crisis puts vital Oilers-Jets game in perspective
  • Jonathan Willis: Mikko Koskinen vs. Mike Smith: Who starts Game 1 for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has found a home as a winger
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: GM Ken Holland on Oilers’ playoff push, offseason plans and Hart thoughts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers observations: Mikko Koskinen comes through in offensive power outage
  • Jonathan Willis: Evan Bouchard, Tyler Benson and more: 20 observations on the Bakersfield Condors
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones represents Oilers template for development success
  • Jonathan Willis: Rookie pros Dmitri Samorukov, Kirill Maksimov learning in Oilers’ system
  • Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom’s return and usage a key element for Oilers stretch run
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How ‘little firecracker’ Josh Archibald went from unknown to vital with Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Determining Connor McDavid’s linemates remains a pressing and perplexing problem
  • Lowetide: Reasonable expectations for Andreas Athanasiou and Tyler Ennis over the next 15 games.
  • Jonathan Willis: Ryan McLeod offers the Oilers size and speed. But will he score in the NHL?
  • Jonathan Willis: Which players pose the biggest threat to Leon Draisaitl winning the Hart Trophy?
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers deadline deals might alter summer plans
  • Jonathan Willis: Splitting Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl saved the Oilers’ season
  • Lowetide: Is the OHL still the Oilers’ primary resource at the draft?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ 2017 draft and the value of waiting five years

THE 50 MAN

1 G Mikko Koskinen. His .917 save percentage is No. 12 among goalies who have played 30 or more games this season. His .921 EV strength save percentage has him No. 15 in the category. His cap hit is $4.5 million for two more years. I’d place him as NHL average as a goalie and we can argue about how much that should cost. I think he’ll be one of the two goalies in Edmonton next season.

2 G Mike Smith. His .902 save percentage ranks No. 36 among 45 goalies who have played 30 or more games. At even strength, he has a .903 SP, that has him No. 42 among those same starters. I don’t think his numbers warrant an extension but do believe he’ll get one. His 19-12-6 record is a selling point.

3 Stuart Skinner. He owns an .892 save percentage for the season, ranking him No. 45 among 49 ‘qualified’ goalies in the AHL this year. I think his January performance (SP over .920) shows promise, but overall the season has clearly been a struggle. I’d like to see him as a starter in front of a good AHL team. Best number since turning pro .903SP in the ECHL.

4 Shane Starrett. He posted an .874 save percentage in what was a disappointing and injury-riddled season. He is a free agent (Group Six) a year after he looked close to getting his first NHL cup of coffee. The life of a goalie, man. Had a .918SP in 42 AHL games in 2018-19.

5 G Dylan Wells. He posted an .878 save percentage in the AHL and .871 in the ECHL. Has one more year in his entry deal, highest pro SP is .912 (in 22 ECHL games).

6. G Angus Redmond. He is winding down the entry deal, spent mostly in the ECHL.

7 G Olivier Rodrigue. This is a slide player but he’ll turn pro in the fall. Rodrigue is a significant prospect, his .918 save percentage ranking No. 2 among QMJHL goaltenders this season. As there is no obvious starter for Bakersfield this fall, it’s possible Rodrigue plays a significant role as a rookie pro. He might be No. 3 on this list one year from now.

8 LD Oscar Klefbom. A true value deal ($4.16M with three full years to go) brings quality offense (62, 5-29-34) combined with big defensive minutes (six minutes a night of five on five time against elites). Music!

9 LD Darnell Nurse. Big man has a big deal and plays major minutes. Signed for the next two years at $5.6M, he’ll be free to go at that time. Nurse averaged almost seven minutes a night against elites in 2019-20, leading the team, outscoring elites 25-18.

10 LD Caleb Jones. An extreme value deal for the next two years ($800,000 per annum) he has surpassed Kris Russell this season and should be a lock for 3LD in 2020-21. I know the Oilers have had a hella rookie season but don’t overlook this player. Major development.

11 LD Kris Russell. He has one more year ($4M) left and is in roster peril with the development of Jones. It’s no longer a matter or like/don’t like, it’s a matter of roster efficiency.

12 LD William Lagesson. He has the talent to be an NHL regular but it might not be in Edmonton. We talked about the three men (Bear, Jones, Lagesson) who needed to play this season, in order to get a feel for what chores they could accomplish in the NHL. Lagesson is the odd man out in the group, but he has talent.

13 LD Brandon Manning. He played nine games with the Oilers this season and is a free agent this summer.

14 LD Keegan Lowe. Also a free agent, struggled in his role (AHL veteran and mentor) after doing a fine job previously. Uncertain he’ll be back.

15 LD Dmitri Samorukov. This a player who might emerge in a “Bear-Jones” manner in the next 18 months. He’s strong, has good wheels and a mean streak, plus can move the puck. Teams need a defense factory and damned if the Oilers don’t have one up and running efficiently.

16 LD Philip Broberg. I’ll be honest I don’t know this player any better now than draft day. I DO know that he had a better season at 18 than Oscar Klefbom. He played 45 games, averaging 14 minutes a night (1-7-8) and 23-24 on ice goal differential at even strength. Oscar played 33 games, averaging 13:44 a night (2-0-2) and 11-12 on ice goal differential at even strength.

17 RD Ethan Bear. I liked him on his draft day but would be a liar saying this was the expected outcome. Bear has been the Oilers best defensemen this year, full stop. Played over 6.5 minutes a night against elites, outscoring 25-19. Outstanding rookie.

18 RD Adam Larsson. He played against elites for six minutes a night and plays them to a draw. That’s very valuable in the NHL. I’m not sure he’s going to be able to hold back the water, prospects are arriving 10 at a time. I’m going to miss the shutdown blue when they’re gone.

19 Matt Benning. I’m a fan but he’s in the “Gary Lariviere” spot and that probably means he’ll be gone to a new town in the next 12 months. He is a productive NHL player, three minutes a night against elites and on the right side of goal differential from the beginning.

20 RD Mike Green. Deadline acquisition and a free agent this summer, I’m not certain he’ll be a one-off rental. Ken Holland likes old defensemen almost as much as he likes old goalies.

21 RD Evan Bouchard. He’s NHL-ready and when Bouchard arrives I expect power-play time to be a part of his usage. High octane forwards need sweet tape to tape passes and Bouchard is ideally suited to the role. Has improved defensively in the AHL.

22 RD Logan Day. He is RFA this summer and I’m uncertain he has done enough to earn another deal. Then again, like Stuart Skinner, I’m uncertain if the Oilers can get a read on any of these prospects in such a tough year.

23 RD Ryan Mantha. His entry deal ends this summer. It’s wildly unfair to see how his contract rolled out.

24 LC Connor McDavid. No matter what happens this spring and summer, the frustration of last April has been replaced with something better.

25 LC Leon Draisaitl. This could well be his peak season and represents one of the best in this team’s storied history. He’ll win the Art Ross now, will he win the Hart?

26 LC Jujhar Khaira. He is signed for $1.2 million next season and could land a job as a No. 4 center. He has struggled all year on the wing but showed well late as a pivot. Great PK helps.

27 LC Riley Sheahan. There was a rumor he (and Josh Archibald) was close to a contract but nothing lately. I wonder if Khaira ends up with the job next season. Doubt both would return. UFA.

28 RC Gaetan Haas. He’s an interesting player but may land a two-way deal over the summer. I’m not sure what role he can fill. UFA.

29 LC Markus Granlund. Split time between Edmonton and Bakersfield this season, not close to the role envisioned last summer. UFA.

30 RC Cooper Marody. Marody’s season is a wild disappointment. Injuries and illness derailed him at the exact point where he should have been pushing for regular NHL duty. Has one more year, opportunity might have passed him by ala Shane Starrett.

31 LC Ryan McLeod. I was impressed with his offensive numbers as a rookie (56, 5-18-23). He has the speed and two-way acumen to develop into a solid pro if there’s enough offense. He showed well.

32 LC Colby Cave. He played with the Oilers (11 games) and Bakersfield (44 games) and could be insurance at center again next season. RFA

33 LC Brad Malone. He delivered another solid AHL season but didn’t see the NHL. That might indicate moving on, and Cave’s roster presence makes Malone superfluous. UFA.

34 LW Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. I love watching him and this season his offense is alive. A generation of high picks who pack huge lumber to the plate, Nuge is one man who can flash the leather too. He belongs on that line with Leon and the Spokane Kid.

35 LW Tyler Ennis. He is UFA but won’t cost the moon and was on the way to a 20-goal season (or close) in 2019-20 when the break hit. Speedy and skilled, he will be a solid signing option.

36 LW James Neal. He scored 19 goals and the trade allowed Edmonton to get out from under the Lucic contract. He has three years left at $5.75M. Buyout possible.

37 LW Andreas Athanasiou. It would be a mistake to overreact to Athanasiou’s first 9 games as an Oilers player, but it’s also true any new contract will take up significant cap. A 20-goal man making $3 million is worthwhile but he scored 11 in 55 games this season. Holland’s handling of this player is one of the more interesting items of summer.

38 LW Joakim Nygard. Bullet train has already signed an extension ($875,000) and his five on five points per 60 (1.27) is solid considering his depth linemates. I suspect his second NHL season will be more impressive.

39 LW Tomas Jurco. I liked his play early in the NHL season (1.04 five on five points per 60 but solid in possession) but he got sent down and then was injured, so there was no second chapter in Edmonton. UFA, uncertain to return.

40 LW Tyler Benson. He played less than 70 minutes in the NHL at five on five (0.88 points per 60), had good possession numbers. He played mostly with Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald, would like to see him higher in the batting order next time. He didn’t score in four AHL games after getting sent back and his totals in the minors are shy of his rookie season, but the Condors were born under a bad sign this season. I like him as an NHL player and soon.

41 LW Joe Gambardella. He was my pick to be ‘college man finds NHL’ from the 2018-19 Condors but Dave Tippett chose another. Gambardella fell from 29 goals last year to 14 this one. He has one more year on his two-way deal.

42 LW Ryan Kuffner. RFA who came over at the deadline from DRW, he had a solid college career but struggled (36, 6-5-11) in the AHL this season. Dobber says “has good size, is smart and quick with a nose for the net and finds the open spots to receive passes.”

43 LW Nolan Vesey. He scored 2-4-6 in 15 ECHL games and (over two seasons) 25, 1-3-4 in the AHL. RFA, unlikely to return.

44 LW Ostap Safin. An encouraging season from a young man who had injury issues during his final months in junior hockey. In 54 ECHL games, he scored 16-19-35 this year and we should we him in Bakersfield 2020-21.

45 RW Kailer Yamamoto. I always said the only worry was injury, but would be a liar if I said KY’s season was a reasonable expectation. I believe’s repeatable, although 3.16 points per 60 at five on five may not return. A massive draft and development win, kind of a forward version of Bear.

46 RW Zack Kassian. He had a weird year but the production (59, 15-19-34) was rock solid. Posted 2.21 points per 60 five on five and was productive while running some luck (16.67 shooting percentage). Signed a four-year, $3.2 million contract during the year, we’ll be talking about it for some time.

47 RW Alex Chiasson. Signed for one more year at $2.15 million, he was coming on late in the season (65, 11-13-24). Posted just 0.87 five on five points per 60, he was effective on the PP (5.44 per 60) and that may make a Neal exit easier for management.

48 RW Josh Archibald. He started slowly and has been a big part of the team since mid-season. Posted .65 goals per 60 at five on five and gave the team a reliable two-way winger.

49 RW Patrick Russell. Russell has five assists in 45 games, and I’m thrilled he made it to the NHL. Love the longshot. He scored a goal and it got called back, if there’s one thing I would change about this season it would be that goal being erased. He is UFA, coach likes him.

50 RW Josh Currie. NHL teams need players who can play center in the NHL and help along skilled prospects. They have to overpay for them because the carrot of recall doesn’t appeal to all (Europe pays well). Currie is UFA and a perfect fit for the role, if he wants to come back my bet is he will.

51 RW Kirill Maksimov. He scored 40 goals in the OHL a year ago and has a nice range of skills. His adjustment to the AHL occurred in a season when the Condors had very well difference makers offensively. Thus, Maksimov went 53, 5-8-13. I believe he’ll blossom if the team can place him with a center who can make a difference at the AHL level. Cooper Marody might be that player.

52 Cam Hebig. His second AHL season didn’t reach the levels of the first (that’s a theme) and the current management team didn’t sign him. Hebig is in a tough spot for an NHL contract with the Oilers but his 11 goals as an AHL rookie in 2018-19 probably gets him a deal somewhere.

52 names because of the slides (Broberg and Rodrigue), tomorrow we’ll talk about the new hires and possible additions, as well as the players unlikely to return.

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250 Responses to "The 50-Man"

  1. jp says:

    I’ll have a proper read in a bit, but for now I just wanted to say many thanks LT, as always.

  2. DBO says:

    The unicorn lineup with no additions outside the org

    Ennis. McDavid. Kassian
    Benson. Draisatl. Yamamoto
    Athanasiou. Nuge. Neal
    Nygard. Sheahan. Archibald
    Khaira. Chiasson

    Klefbom. Larsson
    Nurse. Bear
    Jones. Bouchard
    Green/Russell

  3. geowal says:

    Great read LT, thank you. I’d forgotten about some of these names being on the list.

  4. hags9k says:

    Great summary on these guys LT, the team is certainly in good to great shape in so may spots. Defense factory indeed. Even skill winger now looks ok with the Ennis and AA adds, although you’d like to see a couple more potential impact Fs bubbling under…

    LT, this off season I would appreciate if you would specifically define what is needed to meet your definition of a balanced roster. So that we may hold you to it. So that we may see the bloody pic before the end of times.

    Thanks a bunch!

    • Lowetide says:

      Lol. I will tell you the team is one scoring winger and a No. 3 center away at this time.

  5. leadfarmer says:

    The only way I see hockey coming back is if all the college students who have absolutely nothing to do right now continue acting like college kids and spread this virus so quickly over the next month that everyone has it already. Looks like St Pattys day was the same as every year except for parades
    Isolating them to college campuses where they mostly contact other low risk groups and double all homework would have probably been the better move

  6. flyfish1168 says:

    I love negative news about the phlegms. Shame on them for not paying their part time employees. I’m glad the Oilers are doing the right thing.

    • Dustylegnd says:

      I live in Calgary, and I can tell you the Flames alumni is one of the largest and most active alumni associations in all of the NHL ~ 150 members living here. They are very active in the community and incredibly generous with their time and money giving until it hurts.

      The actual Flames ownership group also gives ungodly amounts of money to charity and are very active within the community. That is why I find it strange they are not paying their arena staff through the end of the month.

      Say what you will about the Flames Organization, their Alumni is impressive as is the amount of money they donate.

  7. dessert1111 says:

    Notwithstanding some of these players being free agents now, I look at the 50 man and only see one obvious hole that will need to be filled from outside the organization: 3C.

    That’s progress, though it seems like we’ve been looking for this player for several years, outside of a quarter of a season where it felt like we might have found him (Strome), only to trade him for a negative contract.

  8. jfry says:

    i think smith is interesting, because his counting numbers don’t scream NHL goalie anymore (two years running), but when you look at it through the lens of quality starts or starts above replacement, he still does reasonably well. what i found when analyzing him last year, was that he’d win with a .930, and lose with .815. looking at him this way made me care less about save percentage. if he is above replacement 65% of the time, or carries a save percentage that is likely to win games 65% of the time, then that’s positive, right? when he flops, he really flops, but a team is going to lose X% of games anyhow, so what does the vanity stat really matter?

    i’m not trying to defend him, but it’s just a trend i noticed in analysis last year.

  9. jfry says:

    flyfish1168,

    after katz was shamed online. this wasn’t something he intended to do.

  10. Brantford Boy says:

    Good Sunday morning read LT… thanks!

    I’ll be the first to admit I’m already growing tired of all the virus news, with that said, serious hypocrite hockey question as I really don’t know.

    I Googled the NHL lockout details and it says players don’t get paid, I’m uncertain if a lockout also holds that contract (years signed) in limbo or if the year in contract is burned, meaning no years are eliminated on the contract but just remain stagnant. My question is, if the NHL were to somehow ‘lockout’ the season due to this crap going on, would players be paid and contracts honoured? I understand it may not be deemed as a true NHL lockout and maybe too early to answer. Cutting to the real chase, will McDavid’s, Draisaitl’s etc. contracts lose a year if this goes into next season?

    Cheers!

  11. buck yoakam says:

    Thanks LT for all you provide year long to keep us rabid oiler fans occupied and informed…I have checked other nhl teams social blogs etc and none come close to the quality of your sessions and that includes the always clever and insightful comments. safe roads ahead to all of you!

  12. Harpers Hair says:

    jfry:
    flyfish1168,

    after katz was shamed online. this wasn’t something he intended to do.

    It’s odd that critics of NHL owners are letting the players of the hook in this situation.

    In the NBA, many players have pledged to help out team employees facing economic hardship over the cancellation of games but I haven’t heard of even one NHL player pitching in.

    Remember the players receive 50% of hockey revenue so could be just as generous.

    If every full time NHL player were to give $100K to help out, which is pocket change to many of them, things would look much better.

    I saw Brad Marchand on Twitter yesterday promoting a Go Fund Me page attempting to raise $250 K for TD Garden employees. Of course, Marchand could easily have covered that amount himself without breaking a sweat.

    The players have as much skin in this game as the owners and you would think if the owners and players got together on this, no one would be adversely affected.

    End rant.

    • fishman says:

      I believe Bobrofsky (?? Goalie Bob) has stepped with a financial contribution to arena staff.

    • Johnny skid says:

      what are you doing to help?

      • wolf8888 says:

        Not really relevant. I don’t think HH is making 4-12 Million a year and it’s not his industry. Just because he is ridiculous in his hockey posts doesn’t mean he needs to be criticized for everything 🙂

        • Johnny skid says:

          Wth all his finger pointing I’m curious what he is doing to help or is he all talk.

      • pts2pndr says:

        Not a fair question. In Canada we have a social fabric that is far different than our American counterparts. That could explain the difference NBA vs NHL. Contributions to charities are full amount write off to a certain percentage of income unlike what we have in Canada. While I have my differences with HH he reached out to a poster to help when there was nothing in it for him. We all need to give others a hand up when we can. The amount is dependant on means and is totally the business of the individual. In my personal opinion you were out of bounds. I think we are all better than that, myself included. I also judged HH wrongly. I wish you all the best!

    • buck yoakam says:

      I totally agree. These donations could also be regarded as charity and thus a tax benefit reducing the actual amount? Would that be the case? Musician , not so tax savvy …

    • N64 says:

      Florida it started with the goalie then the skaters then the owner. Order does not matter. The sums involved are such that it’s like the owner and players are at a restaurant splitting the bill. However they split it did they need to tell the wait staff there was nothing left for a tip. Yeah we’re talking about 15% of the year here.

    • OilClog says:

      What a terribly ignorant rant.

    • Dustylegnd says:

      Bobrovsky donated 100K to the Florida employees, I am sure Marchant has probably reached in to his pockets for a good amount as well…..many people make anonymous donations……I prefer to not judge.

      • N64 says:

        That’s a great example of sorting it out quickly and announcing the right thing from the get go.

  13. jtblack says:

    ALL sports have never been shutdown at the same time.

    Even though It has only been 3 days, I Have realized SPORTS is an enormous and important part of my life. With reflection, I now appreciate how important Sports is in day to day society.

    Locally school sports are cancelled Soccer provincials cancelled Minor Hockey cancelled Keeping kids active in Sport is so so important.

    I miss ground root sports, my kids sports and I dearly miss the Oilers.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    Might as well try and pass the time on a no-sports weekend (during overlap season as well) with some Oilers talk.

    When I do my grades, of course, I am factoring in expectations for each such player

    Forwards

    McDavid – A-

    Yes, I give him a minus even though he is on pace for his highest points year simply because, from my eye, there have been more games and stretches were he wasn’t nearly as effective or noticeable or a factor as normal and due to some uneven 2-way play back in December. The minus is only because expectations are so high.

    Drai – A

    He’s received some heat lately for turnovers, etc. but, come on, on the aggregate, he is right up there for the Hart. He is leading the league in points by a large margin and, in 2020, driven the best line in hockey without McDavid. He is one of the best PK guys on the team, the best faceoff guy, etc. When McDavid was out, he increased production with ALL the tough match-ups. The only reason he’s not an A plus is because of the goals against in December.

    Nugent Hopkins – A-

    He has been so good in 2020, a top 5 scorer in the entire NHL. His 2-way play at evens has been much better as a winger. His PK with Khiara solid. The only reason for the minus is that massive slump in the first 6 weeks or so of the season (while playing with the hand injury mind you). His offensive production despite that massive early season slump is impressive

    Neal – B +

    Neal isn’t really great at 5 on 5 – he’s a bottom 6 player but, at the end of the day, he does have 19 goals and was a massive part of the early season hot start that was important for the year.

    Athanasiou – C

    I could give him an incomplete because he’s only played a handful of games but I graded him. He hasn’t met expectations, that’s for sure, but, by my eye was starting to come around the last couple of games and was helping create scoring chances. I think, with a training camp and starting the year in Tippett’s systems, he’ll be a better Oiler next year but, for this year, middling.

    Kassian -/B+

    Kass was a huge part of the team’s early season success in October/November and was a big part of the top line’s production. At the same time, from mid-December until the last couple of games, his production was gone and he was often a culprit defensively. He hurt the team with that second suspension but he’s come back engaged and worked his way back up to the top line. Expectations were fairly high and I would say he’s “met them” on the aggregate – wish he’d be a bit more consistent but, I guess, if he was, he’d be a 35 goal scorer and a legit top 6 winger.

    Chiasson B-

    At the end of the day, I think he’s up to over 10 goals now and was on a heater – he’d probably finish in the 15 goal range if the season went on as normal. We didn’t expect him to hit 20 so I guess he was close to expectations but, in my mind, a bit below them because there are just so many games where he’s barely a 4th line player at 5 on 5.

    Khaira – D

    I like Khaira better than most but with poor production and, until recently, somewhat consistent mistakes, the only think keeping this grade from a D- or even an F is the PK – he really is good on the PK and its been a big factor in the Oilers being top 10 in the league in points right now.

    Archibald – A

    If we are grading related to expectations, well, Archie has met them all and probably exceeded. Responsible 2-way but his PK has been huge and his goal scoring better than anticipated (lets not forget, he didn’t have a goal until mid-December I don’t think when he filled in at 1RW and scored with McDavid). His ability to play all over the lineup is helpful, his speed is key and his aggressiveness and tenacity great.

    Yamamoto – A +

    What more can this kid do? He was in the AHL for half the year and then he came to the NHL and has been a point per game player in 25 plus games with a massive plus rating and kind of “saved the season” by adding a legit top 6 winger to the team. He’s made it so that Drai can play away from McDavid and that makes the team that much better. His ability to turn pucks over and force bad decisions has been spectacular.

    Haas – C-

    I don’t know if we had expectations but I guess he met mine. Kind of an NHL player but a tweener. He’s a 4C that doesn’t PK, so….

    Sheahan B-

    Aside from one hot streak, he is kind of devoid of offence. With that said, he could be a great 4C but has been asked to play 3C most of the year. Solid defensively and great on the PK with Archie.

    Ennis – B +

    He was REALLY good last game against the Jets in my opinion. Kind of incomplete given a handful of games but his ability to play on any of the top 3 lines has been helfpul. Skilled and quick but not a “legit top 6 guy” without help. Kind of what we expected, I think.

    P. Russell – B-

    In my opinion he’s a tweener but being in the lineup for most of the fist 50 games or so and not being terrible, I guess that’s probably exceeding camp expectations?

    Nygard – C+

    Some like him quite a bit. I don’t really see it. I see some skill there but it rarely translates to production.

    ————————————-

    Defence

    Klefbom – B

    He started off the season playing the best hockey of his career – Norris caliber hockey for 10 games or so. Of course, he’s not that good and his game came back to earth but he really is a legit top pairing guy – not a #1 or top end 1st pairing guy but he doesn’t make alot of mistakes out there, passes the puck well, defends well and has actually been quite good on the PP. If he didn’t get hurt, yes, as he often does, I may have gone with an A- (probably B plus).

    Nurse – B-

    I’m not one that rags on Nurse as much as many others and, while Klef was out, his mistakes could be chalked up to playing so many minutes. With that said, at the end of the day, as far as expectations, I think I expected him to take another step forward and, really, he has treaded water and, at this point, I think we know what he is – a solid/plus 2nd pairing guy that makes too many mistakes when playing too many minutes and has issues passing the puck. I just think he has more to give but he hasn’t done it.

    Larsson – B

    Coming back from a broken leg right at the beginning of the year is tough and he really did struggle for quite a while. With that said, he’s been “2017 Larsson” for a good stretch now and that player gets an A to me. On aggregate, he’s been an A for a month or so and a D for a month or so – lets saw it off.

    Bear – A

    As far as expectations, this kid wasn’t “supposed” to make the team out of camp and he’s been a top 4 right shot puck moving d-man all season long – even played top minutes for much of it. He’s struggled a bit over the last month or so with some defensive mistakes but he’s also improved in certain defensive areas (1 on 1 defending, 1 on 1 battles, etc.). He is the team’s best puck mover.

    Rusty – B

    Rusty has been Rusty but his minutes have been cut back big time by the coaching staff this year. He’s been hurt so that takes away the B plus. Great on the PK as usual.

    Jones – B plus

    I added the plus because of the top 4 minutes he played when Klef was out. He’s still not a “legit top 4 d-man” but he’s looking like he will be that guy with some more development. To me, he’s established himself as a legit every day NHL d-man. The coaches played him over Kris Russell last game.

    Benning C-

    I like Benning more than most but, at the end of the day, he’s had a tough season. He was actually really good with Rusty until he got hurt and, since he’s come back, he’s only playing like 10 minutes per game and does kill penalties unless a d-man is in the box.

    ———————————–

    Goalies

    Koskinen – B plus

    Almost game him an A- because, as far as expectations go, he’s kind of hit them. Not a legit 1A starter but a guy that can share the net and, for the most part, he gives the team a chance to win. He’s streaky and, when he’s not playing well, he leaks bad goals, but he’s had two “warm streaks” this year and his numbers are, well, average.

    Smith – B

    Again, the grade is vis-a-vis expectations and I don’t think any of us expected Smith to do more than he’s done. On aggregate, his numbers are somewhat poor but that is because he was SO BAD in December. He was good in October and good in January/February and without him finding his game in early 2020, things could have gone off the rails.

    • jtblack says:

      Pretty solud review.

      I give McDavid an A+. Expectations are ridic, and thats not connors fault. At his worst he is Amazing.

      How can Leon not be an A+? What are your metrics? LEON is the front runner for the Hart Trophy. He was on pace for 128 points. You need him to lift a few more sticks in the D zone? Our memory fails us all the time. GRETZKY wasnt a good defensive player, but so what? A+ for Leon for sure!

      P Russell and Sheanan are lower for me. Zero offense.

  15. innercitysmytty says:

    fishman,

    Yes Bob did from what I read as well.

  16. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    It’s easy to say that but what are wealthy people in general doing to help out the less fortunate?
    How many landlords have suspended rent payments
    How many interest payments have been suspended
    People are always eager to point the finger one rung higher and if those people don’t do the right thing they use that as an excuse for themselves not doing the right thing
    Instead of asking themselves what should I do

  17. Boiled-in-Oil says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Agree with you here. Especially among the multi year multimillion dollar contract players. A lot of poor folks are going to be hurt badly.

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    Johnny skid:
    what are you doing to help?

    I just bought five $100 gift cards to local restaurants who are suffering a big drop in business due to the virus.

    What have you done?

      • Boiled-in-Oil says:

        Hope it’s not an imposition to ask a covid travel question.

        • N64 says:

          In this reply is fine.

          • Boiled-in-Oil says:

            Thanks. In Mexico (snowbirds) we planned in advance to babysit our granddaughter through spring break. So we flew out of Comox, as our son is stationed there. We return from PV through Vancouver on Tuesday. Our son said we could self quarantine with him and his wife and daughter. I feel lousy about doing this to them. Returning home requires getting a ferry to the mainland. Easy from there to Columbia Valley. I’m 63 and on immune suppressants.

          • N64 says:

            Boiled-in-Oil:
            Thanks. In Mexico (snowbirds) we planned in advance to babysit our granddaughter through spring break. So we flew out of Comox, as our son is stationed there. We return from PV through Vancouver on Tuesday.Our son said we could self quarantine with him and his wife and daughter.I feel lousy about doing this to them. Returning home requires getting a ferry to the mainland. Easy from there to Columbia Valley. I’m 63 and on immune suppressants.

            Above my pay grade over all, but let’s confirm a few things before offering some ideas.

            You fly back to Comox via Vancouver where you clear customs. You have a vehicle in Comox (where you could iso). Without naming any small town live roughly where in the Columbia Valley. Lastly do you have another vehicle at home

          • Boiled-in-Oil says:

            It posted below. Wish I was better at this.

          • Boiled-in-Oil says:

            So try again. Home is Fairmont. We don’t need to come in contact with anybody except the ferry.

          • Boiled-in-Oil says:

            And no other vehicle

          • N64 says:

            Have a few things for you. If you drive home make sure you can stay in your vehicle on the ferry. Talk to BC Ferries before booking and make sure your sailing can accommodate you. They can’t accommodate that on some boats. Check but all or most of those crossings should accommodate that per this article. At gates make sure you are directed to the correct lane to get to the permitted areas

            https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-bc-ferries-says-drivers-cant-stay-in-their-cars-on-closed-decks

            Things are changing fast.Flights are being cancelled and rebooked due to numbers. Change fees should not apply in any fare class. fare differences could still be a factor. Do look at the option of leaving early. Long hold times to talk to airlines of course.

            Iso policy is new but if customs ask at Vancouver and they don’t like your iso plan then thank them. You’ll still have both options.

            Lastly I can’t quantify your risk. But vary serious. Staying in Comox will require all 5 of you to strictly iso. Don’t look at that as an imposition. Look at it from personal risk only given immune suppression. If they iso strictly both options can be carefully compared. You don’t know what they have been exposed to bit can think of their occupatios and degree of social contact. Their iso should start as soon as they can prepare . So try to decide today. If you stay there and they need to break iso no harm in moving.

            Honestly cannot guide you. Hope these ideas are usrful

          • Boiled-in-Oil says:

            Thanks for this. Much appreciated. Hope I can return the favour sometime.

            I’ve been told all flights leaving PV are going out full. Flight is in 48 hours so we’ll sit tight and be safe until then.

            Side note….Americans and Canadians leaving with luggage full of toilet paper. No hand sanitizer anywhere in Guayabitos.

            I will sort it out in Vancouver as you suggest.

            Again I thank you for this information. It means a lot.

          • N64 says:

            Whatever you sort out in Vancouver can still be changed until you get to you vehicle and point it.

      • jfry says:

        my agency represents over 200 restaurants in canada& the us, including one of the chains mentioned in that article. the numbers in that article are generous based on the data we have this weekend. it’s tragic. our independents are doing even worse because they don’t have the marketing funds to offset.

        if this continues for a month, there will have to be some very serious conversations about economic stimulus. lots of businesses are going to be out of business by june, it feels like. it’s sad.

  19. Norgate says:

    Harpers Hair,

    As already stated, Bobrovsky donated $100K. Also, the staff are employed by the owners, not the players. The players are also employees. The owners bear primary responsibility for their staff, not fellow (albeit highly compensated) employees. I think the players’ contributions are properly viewed through that prism.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    There had been some speculation that the Oilers were going to re-sign Smith but, right before the world cratered before our eyes, Holland was on The Athletic and was clear that he was “done for now” and, while there are some guys he’ll be looking to re-sign, he wasn’t in any negotiations and it was time to focus on the playoff run.

    Smith was solid early when both goalies were playing well and his heater in early 2020 was massive for the team while Koski struggled but my goodness this goalie runs hot and cold and December wasn’t just bad, it was almost career-over type bad.

    Assuming normalcy, the goalie market is flush and flush with a range of price and skill. I think it behooves management to try and find another option – a younger option or a more consistent option.

    Lehner likely too expensive. Khudobin as well but there are many others and there are trade options as well with a few teams with three legit – Casey DeSmith for example would be a trade target.

    —————–

    With Rodrigue turning pro and Starrett’s career taking a 180, mainly due to injury, I think they will move on from him.

    One more year until Konovalov’s KHL contract runs out and he can sign – at the exact same time that the ELCs for Wells and Skinner expire. Management will have a clean slate on which 2 (likely) of the three to sign. Right now, Wells needs to make a push in 2020/21.

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    Norgate:
    Harpers Hair,

    As already stated, Bobrovsky donated $100K. Also, the staff are employed by the owners, not the players. The players are also employees. The owners bear primary responsibility for their staff, not fellow (albeit highly compensated) employees. I think the players’ contributions are properly viewed through that prism.

    Respectfully, the owners and players are partners in an entertainment business.

    Neither the owners or players would be able to profit without the services of support staff and both have a responsibility to protect them IMO.

  22. HenryDrix says:

    jfry,

    Very interesting and thoughtful take, I like it, and agree!

    • jfry says:

      i’ll try and track down the spreadsheet. we did an analysis of rittich vs smith last year. it was pretty interesting. rittich had less variance in the numbers, but a lower percentage of starts above replacement than smith. so, while rittich had the higher save percentage, he was actually less likely to produce a win. it was close, but their save percentages were not.

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    The SHL playoffs were just cancelled – hopefully Fillip Berglund is added to that 50-man shortly.

    From his year over year progression and, in particular, development spike this past season, and from the first hand accounts of our own SwedishPoster, I would suggest there is a non-zero chance of him playing NHL games next season.

    ————————

    Bouchard is NHL ready, of that I’m confident, the only thing left for him to do is prove it at the NHL level.

    Assuming normalcy next season, that may not be in early October as i can see him assigned to the Bake out of camp but he will be the primary call-up and, once called, will likely never live in California again until he’s retired.

    At the same time, whether he breaks camp with the team, potential injuries aside, is highly dependant on if Holland disposes of only 1 or 2 of Rusty, Benning Larsson.

    I think its clear to all that one needs to go and, for various reasons, including cap space, Rusty is option one. Bloated cap hip vis-a-vis performance and M-NTC makes this more of a challenge.

    Larsson could/might be traded for value and cap space and, while I think Benning brings complete value for a apx $2M QO re-sign, given coach usage since he returned (nominal PK time and apx 10 min per game), he likely isn’t long for Edmonton.

    —————–

    I look for Sammy to have a fantastic second pro season in the Bake playing top 4 minutes.

    ————-

    Will Broberg be back in Skelfeeta or a Condor?

    This past season management essentially left it up to the player and, while I think they will take the player’s desire in to account for this coming season, I think management will have a stronger view – what that is, I don’t know. I think the organization has a history or wanting to bring guys over but this is new management. Early verbal from the player around Christmas was that he was happy with Skelfeeta and how things are going and may desire one more year at home.

  24. Harpers Hair says:

    N64:
    Florida it started with the goalie then the skaters then the owner. Order does not matter. The sums involved are such that it’s like the owner and players are at a restaurant splitting the bill. However they split it did they need to tell the wait staff there was nothing left for a tip. Yeah we’re talking about 15% of the year here.

    Restaurant staff are among the most vulnerable to an economic downturn since many of them live paycheque to paycheque and with profit margins being very thin in the industry, it doesn’t take much to tip a restaurant into closure or bankruptcy.

    • N64 says:

      Don’t know who originated this other than open table reporting huge drops and recommending this.

      It could make a difference on businesses weathering the storm. Donating some of those cards to staff tips would also not be amiss.

    • wolf8888 says:

      The extra problem for the wait staff is that the majority of their income is from TIPS. Unfortunately buying gift certificates from the restaurant will not help them. Personally I’m going out for dinner tonight and tipping well!

    • pts2pndr says:

      Skip the dishes and takeout orders will help but your idea of gift cards is great.

  25. Harpers Hair says:

    geowal:
    Pittsburg did, early on, with Crosby out in front:

    https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2020/03/13/Sidney-Crosby-Pittsburgh-Penguins-NHL-season-suspended-PPG-Paints-Arena/stories/202003130177

    Great to see that.

    Not surprised to see Sid leading the way.

  26. leadfarmer says:

    I call it the trickle down of apathy. People see the people in a higher socioeconomic rung doing nothing or next to nothing and they use that to justify themselves doing nothing or next to nothing
    Billionaires are nothing so sports team owners justify doing nothing then the players justify doing nothing then the box owners do nothing then the season ticket owners do nothing then the people that see a few games a year do nothing

  27. jake70 says:

    How many players/owners etc are doing/planning on doing something and keep quiet….I think this goes on more then we realize….at least I hope it does.

    • N64 says:

      Who pays can be quiet but CBS sports is keeping a list of which franchise staff will be paid.

  28. Harpers Hair says:

    N64:
    Don’t know who originated this other than open table reporting huge drops and recommending this.

    It could make a difference on businesses weathering the storm. Donating some of those cards to staff tips would also not be amiss.

    Great idea.

  29. OriginalPouzar says:

    The suspension and likely cancellation of the remainder of the regular season may get Gaetan Haas another NHL contract with the Oilers and its put on hold the experiment of JJ Khaira as a 4C – the experiment has gone OK, or good, not great, in a small sample size.

    The way I see it, Khaira, Haas and Sheahan or “competing” for the 4C for next year with a legit 3C being the primary external acquisition target (many will argue for a top 6 winger over a 3C).

    JJ has a contract and, to me, its not a bad one (mileage varies on that point). $1.2M is barely over the amount that could be fully buryable in the AHL and, taking away his stints of egregious mistakes/turnover, he’s value for that due to PK alone.

    Sheahan kills penalties and is a legit NHLer – Haas, still trying to work his way in to that stature.

    I can’t see both Sheahan and Haas back.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think the Bakersfield top centers next year are Marody, McLeod, Malone.

    Hopefully Marody can get 100% healthy and re-establish himself. Maybe being “off the radar” can get him focussed and motivated. Put down the microphone and work on that first step and the speed. His verbal last off-season was that lack of speed has never been a problem for him – well, it is now.

    McLeod did end up with some solid box-cars but I would posit that he played more as a winger than a center this season – Wilde may be able to provide more confirmation on that.

    The reason I mention that is that, while McLeod may still be the 3C of the future, I think that future would be a solid 4-5 years away. I think he’ll be an NHL winger before a legit 3C unless he plays all of next season at a top 6 center in the Bake.

    I do think they might bring Malone back – he’s turning 31 but it still a fine player at the AHL level (he’s been out for the last month and that Condors have really missed him). More than anything, from various accounts, he’s a fantastic teammate and huge for the kids. Yamamoto in particular has singled Malone out on numerous occasions as a guy that really helped him.

  31. jtblack says:

    Harpers Hair: Restaurant staff are among the most vulnerable to an economic downturn since many of them live paycheque to paycheque and with profit margins being very thin in the industry, it doesn’t take much to tip a restaurant into closure or bankruptcy.

    I process loans for a living.

    I bet 40%+ of Albertans couldn’t survive 1 month without a paycheque. It has been a tough economy for a while and while most wages have stagnated or jibs have dissappeared, the cost of living keeps climbing.
    .I would suggest 20% of the families I deal with don’t just work 1 full time jib to survive, many work an extra 20-30 hrs per week at a 2nd job.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    At forward the Oilers need a 3C and a top 6 winger for next season.

    100% cannot “rely on it” but maybe, just maybe, Tyler Benson can be that guy.

    We simply won’t know until he earns himself a roster spot and then is given a shot with the skill.

    He may kill it like Kailer or he may not.

    —————

    Assuming normally, I wonder if Holland has any desire to try and get Nuge re-signed well in advance of his July 2021 UFA status?

    I also wonder if Nuge has any desire to take himself on the market this yearly, prior to material cap escalation, and re-sign?

    I would love to ink him to 5 X $7M but that’s a big home town discount vis-a-vis what the market will likely be when he’s a UFA.

    I think Nuge likely wants to stay – I mean, he’s been with this team for the darkness and now, just as it seems times are going to get good, he’s going to bail?

    I’m generally not about re-signing UFA age guys for their decline years but he’ll be a younger UFA and a 7 year contract (or even 8) shouldn’t see much regression until the very end (I think).

    Yes, I know, “perfect scenario” is to have a hand-shake (OK, elbow bump for now) deal in place and re-sign after the expansion draft but, if they could lock him up this off-season……… there is value in certainty.

  33. Harpers Hair says:

    A great example of corporate responsibility:

    “To support Canadians at this time we’ve opened up Shaw Go WiFi, Canada’s largest WiFi network, to everyone. Shaw customer or not, we know that it is important to stay connected, especially in times like this. We also do not have data caps on our internet plans so that whether you need to work from home or connect with loved ones, you can do so without restrictions.

    All Shaw Cable and Shaw Direct customers have been given access to a number of channels on free preview to help keep them informed and their family entertained. To ensure our customers have reliable and timely information, we’ve included CBC News Channel, CTV News Channel, CP24, LCN and RDI (subject to availability). For kids at home, we have also included Family, Family JR, CHRGD and Treehouse TV.”

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    Pretty solud review.

    I give McDavid an A+. Expectations are ridic, and thats not connors fault.At his worst he is Amazing.

    How can Leon not be an A+?What are your metrics? LEON is the front runner for the Hart Trophy.He was on pace for 128 points.You need him to lift a few more sticks in the D zone?Our memory fails us all the time. GRETZKY wasnt a good defensive player, but so what?A+ for Leon for sure!

    PRussell and Sheanan are lower for me. Zero offense.

    I think I wrote it right in there – for Leon, the only reason I didn’t give him an A+ is for the crazy leaked goals against in December – he has a negative player at evens for like 13 games in a row.

    For P. Russell, I expected him to be an AHL player so, vis-a-vis expectations, I game him an OK grade as a guy that was playing every day for a while and generally not hurting the team and given some depth PK minutes

    For his PK alone, Sheahan has met my expectations and he was filled in at 3C most of the year when, really, his skill set is a 4C.

  35. Boiled-in-Oil says:

    N64,

    No other vehicle. My biggest worry would be spreading exposure on the ferry. Home is Fairmont. I want to get our son to drop car at airport. Get in a cab and go leaving keys in.(within our sight) can make it home with one fill-up., in one go.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    To me, one week seems fairly unlikely, however:

    https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1239248507875332097

    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    · 13m
    NHL teams have been told that it will be at least one full week — and perhaps longer — before they can reopen facilities for players to do small-group skates/workouts.

  37. Harpers Hair says:

    Boiled-in-Oil:
    N64,

    No other vehicle. My biggest worry would be spreading exposure on the ferry. Home is Fairmont. I want to get our son to drop car at airport. Get in a cab and go leaving keys in.(within our sight) can make it home with one fill-up., in one go.

    A couple of notes on BC Ferries travel.

    They are aggressively cancelling sailings so make sure you have a reservation.

    Also, tell the gate attendant about your immune issues and request that you be placed on an “open” car deck. If your vehicle is in a “closed” car deck you must leave your vehicle for the duration of the trip.

    This allows you to stay in your vehicle for the entire trip and not be forced to mingle with other passengers.

    BC Ferries staff are generally very, very helpful

    • Boiled-in-Oil says:

      Thanks for this. Much appreciated.

      • N64 says:

        That’s the advantage of double posting . You got the critical point about open decks twice instead of possibly zero.

        • Boiled-in-Oil says:

          Lots of pain meds. I get confused. It’s why I mostly lurk.

          Still, what an amazing community here. Even more so now.

      • Halfwise says:

        If you have a reservation on BC Ferries it will be in one of the open decks. That’s part of the package.

        But if they cancel that sailing, they cancel your reservation and refund your money. That’s just part of their policy and as a monopoly they can get away with it.

        They are in a fight with Transport Canada it allow people to remain in their cars on lower decks. I believe it’s a safety concern with Carbon Monoxide.

        And they all still have to agree on what the max number of people in a crowd should be.

        Governments can’t always agree on which risk takes precedence.

        • Boiled-in-Oil says:

          Great information. Thank you.

          The best information I have received has been right here. Incredible brain trust.

  38. Greenberg says:

    So I will be a party pooper, with this excerpt from a COVID-19 victim in Spain writing to a friend in Canada: (if you can’t stand the virus talk, skip this one)

    > > A week ago here in Spain, we only talked about coronavirus. We already had some cases, but it just didn’t seem that bad. We saw the suffering in Italy and said “That won’t happen here.” Changes were not made. People still went out on the weekend, went to the gym, went to work, to school, etc. Preventing the spread of the virus was not a priority. Fast forward just 1 WEEK: Spain is now in a state of emergency. The virus is here and it is tearing through this country. I have coronavirus. My friends have coronavirus. Parents of children have coronavirus. Teachers, students, business people, researchers, politicians, bus drivers, etc. have coronavirus. In a matter of days, the number of confirmed cases spiked from just a few hundred to well into the thousands. Hospitals and medical clinics are completely and entirely exhausted, operating at over-capacity, with quickly depleting resources and staff. Hundreds of doctors, nurses and other medical personnel have caught the virus and have been issued to quarantine. Those who remain are working 24/7, non stop. It is not just the elderly or the immunocompromised who are checking in for treatment- people of ALL ages are needing medical care. With each passing day, the death toll rises and the situation grows more severe.
    > >
    > > In just 1 WEEK the coronavirus has caused Spain to crumble and it appears the worst has yet to come. Now having one of the fastest rates of COVID-19 contagion in the entire world, the Spanish Prime Minister stated that the number of cases could top 10,000 by early next week- almost double the current level. Just yesterday, cases rose by 1,500. If the pressure on the health care system is already unbearable, then what could possibly happen in the following days? We could ask our dear friends in Italy, as they are about a week ahead of us, with thousands of infected people trying to get into hospitals with only a few spaces left. With doctors and nurses having to CHOOSE who to save and who to let die because there are not enough medical professionals, supplies or space left to treat the growing number of patients. The Spanish government can see we are following in Italy’s footsteps and the pressure is on, to make up for a lack of action taken in the beginning.
    > >
    > > All schools and universities have shut down. Public events and sports games have been cancelled. Roads have been blocked, entire regions of the country are under lockdown and towns and villages have been quarantined. Businesses, cafes, restaurants, gyms, bars/cubs and shopping centres have all closed, with the exception of the supermarkets selling food and pharmacies. Police roam the streets to ensure people stay inside. The rest of the world can see the risk now too- 62 countries have suspended flights from Spain.
    > >
    > > To think, if preventative action could have been taken just 1 week before, if the mindsets of people could have shifted 1 week earlier, we could be living a very different reality right now.

    • Dustylegnd says:

      yet we are directed to send our kids to school by our Provincial government, so they can become infected and bring it home to pass onto parents that are staying away from work and working online

      • N64 says:

        At a personal level start spring break Monday. Seriously the school should and probably will thank you. The province is trying to assess the net benefit and that’s already known when you know where they’ll be

        • Dustylegnd says:

          Exactly, this does not seem to be that difficult….

          start spring break tomorrow for all Alberta schools…..

          expand the spring break for all school districts to the next 3 weeks

          Then at the end of the three weeks….re evaluate based on the information gathered….seriously this is the best we can do

          Fail for Feds on this

          C for the province so far

          A for private industry….my company is letting the max number of employees work online from home

          • Strapping Jocks says:

            Dustylegnd,

            I get your hatred of Trudeau (btw – please check the work experience of some of the previous federal and provincial levels – what were Harper’s credentials? Sheer’s?).

            But not sure why you give Fail to the Feds on this? Not closing schools in Alberta is on the province. Canada is being generally regarded as doing most of the right things in terms of social distancing, promoting the right information, restricting events and travel, etc. Could have it happened a week earlier? Sure, but there would have been an uproar of ‘overreaction’ by haters.

            Agree that most businesses in Canada are doing great things, from getting staff to work from home, to cancelling events etc.

  39. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Dustylegnd,

    This is very interesting and a lot of stuff I know nothing about.

    So….what can I do other than perhaps buy Suncor stock (I used to have some but they laid me off in 2015, and bought me out, not even sure how to buy stock, etc) in the next few weeks?

    • Dustylegnd says:

      I am not an investment advisor, I am a natural gas trader, I speculate on price movement but here is my advice, take it for what it is worth

      It gets worse before it gets better, especially in the Oil and gas sector so stay liquid and keep your powder dry, no need to be early on trying to pick a bottom…as we say in the business, those who try to pick bottom get a stinky finger!!!

      Diversify away from Oil and gas stocks, I live in Calgary and here is my mantra, my job is oil and gas, my house is oil and gas, my provincial tax rate is correlated to the health of Oil and Gas…..why would I own Oil and Gas stocks??

      There are many many high quality companies that have been crushed and will represent tremendous value….safest bet is to buy a low cost ETF…. personally love the NASDAQ….everyone has to make their own decisions

    • Andy Dufresne says:

      Iwould say this. If anyone intends to buy any kind of stock in any form, mutual funds, ETFs etc. Do so in a conservative /laddered fashion.

      IMO these markets are going lower over the weeks to come. It will be up and down as governments around the world do what they can to support the economies of the world.

      Back to the point. If you are going to invest in these time DO SO CONSERTVATIVELY.

      !) Make sur eyu have enough savings to get through the next 3 to 6 months (possibly without a paycheck)

      2) Whatever you intend to invest. Start with maximum 20% of that at the current market levels DOW 23000)

      3) While I did buy the recent dip (DOW 21000) I intend to start investing when the DOW reaches 15000. It may get worse than this. The DOW could concievably drop below 10000 although very unlikely.

      Ladder your purchasing in as the markets drop ( dollar cost averaging)

      Most authorites have this thing lasting at least 6 months now. That is the median estimate.

      So above all. Prepare yourself for 6 months of finacial hardship. Cancel all you discrestionary spending.

      Wish I could say more but its pretty crazy uncertain and dynamic at this time. And these things are very dependent on your personal circumstances.

  40. Harpers Hair says:

    A great Twitter thread on the effects of social distancing.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1238901803292323840

    Make sure to scroll down and look at the chart comparing the differences between Philadelphia and St. Louis during the Spanish flu outbreak. Eye popping difference.

  41. N64 says:

    Greenberg:
    So I will be a party pooper, with this excerpt from a COVID-19 victim in Spain writing to a friend in Canada: (if you can’t stand the virus talk, skip this one)

    > > A week ago here in Spain, we only talked about coronavirus. We already had some cases, but it just didn’t seem that bad. We saw the suffering in Italy and said “That won’t happen here.” Changes were not made. People still went out on the weekend, went to the gym, went to work, to school, etc. Preventing the spread of the virus was not a priority. Fast forward just 1 WEEK: Spain is now in a state of emergency. The virus is here and it is tearing through this country. I have coronavirus. My friends have coronavirus. Parents of children have coronavirus. Teachers, students, business people, researchers, politicians, bus drivers, etc. have coronavirus. In a matter of days, the number of confirmed cases spiked from just a few hundred to well into the thousands. Hospitals and medical clinics are completely and entirely exhausted, operating at over-capacity, with quickly depleting resources and staff. Hundreds of doctors, nurses and other medical personnel have caught the virus and have been issued to quarantine. Those who remain are working 24/7, non stop. It is not just the elderly or the immunocompromised who are checking in for treatment- people of ALL ages are needing medical care. With each passing day, the death toll rises and the situation grows more severe.
    > >
    > > In just 1 WEEK the coronavirus has caused Spain to crumble and it appears the worst has yet to come. Now having one of the fastest rates of COVID-19 contagion in the entire world, the Spanish Prime Minister stated that the number of cases could top 10,000 by early next week- almost double the current level. Just yesterday, cases rose by 1,500. If the pressure on the health care system is already unbearable, then what could possibly happen in the following days? We could ask our dear friends in Italy, as they are about a week ahead of us, with thousands of infected people trying to get into hospitals with only a few spaces left. With doctors and nurses having to CHOOSE who to save and who to let die because there are not enough medical professionals, supplies or space left to treat the growing number of patients. The Spanish government can see we are following in Italy’s footsteps and the pressure is on, to make up for a lack of action taken in the beginning.
    > >
    > > All schools and universities have shut down. Public events and sports games have been cancelled. Roads have been blocked, entire regions of the country are under lockdown and towns and villages have been quarantined. Businesses, cafes, restaurants, gyms, bars/cubs and shopping centres have all closed, with the exception of the supermarkets selling food and pharmacies. Police roam the streets to ensure people stay inside. The rest of the world can see the risk now too- 62 countries have suspended flights from Spain.
    > >
    > > To think, if preventative action could have been taken just 1 week before, if the mindsets of people could have shifted 1 week earlier, we could be living a very different reality right now.

    We might be a week behind US the difference is our decisions can still avoid more that there’s can

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-march-15-2020/

  42. defmn says:

    I will not be surprised to see Green offered a contract this summer. If the plan is to run Larsson, Bear and Bouchard I am pretty sure Holland wants a vet available to play 40 games or so both for injury and to let Bouchard watch some games during the season. If that doesn’t interest Green at somewhere around $2.2 mil ( about what I estimate it would cost to re-sign Benning) then I expect to see Holland shop elsewhere.

    As many have noted here the TOI for Benning seems to make it pretty clear what the coaching staff think of him.

    I had finally managed to make myself accept the $1.9 buyout for six years in order to retire Neal when everything changed. Six years is a long time but the addition of Bear, Jones and Yakomoto unexpectedly – to me – added three key pieces making playoff hockey and contending a closer reality. Now, of course, the cap is totally uncertain so we wait on Neal’s fate but the hope would be for a non-cap buyout stipulation league wide. An interesting wrinkle would be the fate of our $750,000 retained salary should the Flames choose to move on from Lucic.

    I am not ready to re-sign Smith until I see what else is available out there in August. I do expect Holland to make Ennis an offer. He has been quite consistent in his verbal that he likes stability and that his moves all have a longer term aspect as he tries to right the ship.

    JMO but this team could use some roster stability so I don’t expect more than one trade this summer if any. Athanasiou gets two years if he wants it close to his QO.

    Bear’s next contract will be interesting. He and Jones have traded places in development for a few years now with Bear getting his opportunity about 30 games earlier this year – as much due to injury and position as anything. I know many here think that competition is now settled in favour of Bear but I am not convinced. Jones signed for $850,000 for two years. Bear’s comps for this season are in a much higher range. The conversation between Holland and Bear’s agent should be very interesting.

    • N64 says:

      Lagesson still has the opportunity next year (we hope) to make his case before expansion draft as well.

  43. flyfish1168 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    I live in Calgary, and I can tell you the Flames alumni is one of the largest and most active alumni associations in all of the NHL ~ 150 members living here. They are very active in the community and incredibly generous with their time and money giving until it hurts.

    The actual Flames ownership group also gives ungodly amounts of money to charity and are very active within the community. That is why I find it strange they are not paying their arena staff through the end of the month.

    Say what you will about the Flames Organization, their Alumni is impressive as is the amount of money they donate.

    I agree. I live in YYC also and you often here how active they are. I was taken by surprise by their initial statement. I will not be surprised if the reverse it from pure pressure. It is still nice to remember their initial response. 🙂

  44. who says:

    Harpers Hair: It’s odd that critics of NHL owners are letting the players of the hook in this situation.

    In the NBA, many players have pledged to help out team employees facing economic hardship over the cancellation of games but I haven’t heard of even one NHL player pitching in.

    Remember the players receive 50% of hockey revenue so could be just as generous.

    If every full time NHL player were to give $100K to help out, which is pocket change to many of them, things would look much better.

    I saw Brad Marchand on Twitter yesterday promoting a Go Fund Me page attempting to raise $250 K for TD Garden employees. Of course, Marchand could easily have covered that amount himself without breaking a sweat.

    The players have as much skin in this game as the owners and you would think if the owners and players got together on this, no one would be adversely affected.

    End rant.

    I was thinking the same thing. Players are getting paid for not working but not arena staff, in some cases. Which group can most afford to miss a paycheck?
    Good post.

  45. who says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Might as well try and pass the time on a no-sports weekend (during overlap season as well) with some Oilers talk.

    When I do my grades, of course, I am factoring in expectations for each such player

    Forwards

    McDavid – A-

    Yes, I give him a minus even though he is on pace for his highest points year simply because, from my eye, there have been more games and stretches were he wasn’t nearly as effective or noticeable or a factor as normal and due to some uneven 2-way play back in December.The minus is only because expectations are so high.

    Drai – A

    He’s received some heat lately for turnovers, etc. but, come on, on the aggregate, he is right up there for the Hart.He is leading the league in points by a large margin and, in 2020, driven the best line in hockey without McDavid. He is one of the best PK guys on the team, the best faceoff guy, etc. When McDavid was out, he increased production with ALL the tough match-ups.The only reason he’s not an A plus is because of the goals against in December.

    Nugent Hopkins – A-

    He has been so good in 2020, a top 5 scorer in the entire NHL. His 2-way play at evens has been much better as a winger. His PK with Khiara solid. The only reason for the minus is that massive slump in the first 6 weeks or so of the season (while playing with the hand injury mind you). His offensive production despite that massive early season slump is impressive

    Neal – B +

    Neal isn’t really great at 5 on 5 – he’s a bottom 6 player but, at the end of the day, he does have 19 goals and was a massive part of the early season hot start that was important for the year.

    Athanasiou – C

    I could give him an incomplete because he’s only played a handful of games but I graded him. He hasn’t met expectations, that’s for sure, but, by my eye was starting to come around the last couple of games and was helping create scoring chances.I think, with a training camp and starting the year in Tippett’s systems, he’ll be a better Oiler next year but, for this year, middling.

    Kassian -/B+

    Kass was a huge part of the team’s early season success in October/November and was a big part of the top line’s production. At the same time, from mid-December until the last couple of games, his production was gone and he was often a culprit defensively.He hurt the team with that second suspension but he’s come back engaged and worked his way back up to the top line. Expectations were fairly high and I would say he’s “met them” on the aggregate – wish he’d be a bit more consistent but, I guess, if he was, he’d be a 35 goal scorer and a legit top 6 winger.

    ChiassonB-

    At the end of the day, I think he’s up to over 10 goals now and was on a heater – he’d probably finish in the 15 goal range if the season went on as normal.We didn’t expect him to hit 20 so I guess he was close to expectations but, in my mind, a bit below them because there are just so many games where he’s barely a 4th line player at 5 on 5.

    Khaira – D

    I like Khaira better than most but with poor production and, until recently, somewhat consistent mistakes, the only think keeping this grade from a D- or even an F is the PK – he really is good on the PK and its been a big factor in the Oilers being top 10 in the league in points right now.

    Archibald – A

    If we are grading related to expectations, well, Archie has met them all and probably exceeded. Responsible 2-way but his PK has been huge and his goal scoring better than anticipated (lets not forget, he didn’t have a goal until mid-December I don’t think when he filled in at 1RW and scored with McDavid).His ability to play all over the lineup is helpful, his speed is key and his aggressiveness and tenacity great.

    Yamamoto – A +

    What more can this kid do? He was in the AHL for half the year and then he came to the NHL and has been a point per game player in 25 plus games with a massive plus rating and kind of “saved the season” by adding a legit top 6 winger to the team. He’s made it so that Drai can play away from McDavid and that makes the team that much better. His ability to turn pucks over and force bad decisions has been spectacular.

    Haas – C-

    I don’t know if we had expectations but I guess he met mine.Kind of an NHL player but a tweener. He’s a 4C that doesn’t PK, so….

    SheahanB-

    Aside from one hot streak, he is kind of devoid of offence. With that said, he could be a great 4C but has been asked to play 3C most of the year. Solid defensively and great on the PK with Archie.

    Ennis – B +

    He was REALLY good last game against the Jets in my opinion.Kind of incomplete given a handful of games but his ability to play on any of the top 3 lines has been helfpul.Skilled and quick but not a “legit top 6 guy” without help. Kind of what we expected, I think.

    P. Russell – B-

    In my opinion he’s a tweener but being in the lineup for most of the fist 50 games or so and not being terrible, I guess that’s probably exceeding camp expectations?

    Nygard – C+

    Some like him quite a bit.I don’t really see it.I see some skill there but it rarely translates to production.

    ————————————-

    Defence

    Klefbom – B

    He started off the season playing the best hockey of his career – Norris caliber hockey for 10 games or so.Of course, he’s not that good and his game came back to earth but he really is a legit top pairing guy – not a #1 or top end 1st pairing guy but he doesn’t make alot of mistakes out there, passes the puck well, defends well and has actually been quite good on the PP. If he didn’t get hurt, yes, as he often does, I may have gone with an A- (probably B plus).

    Nurse – B-

    I’m not one that rags on Nurse as much as many others and, while Klef was out, his mistakes could be chalked up to playing so many minutes. With that said, at the end of the day, as far as expectations, I think I expected him to take another step forward and, really, he has treaded water and, at this point, I think we know what he is – a solid/plus 2nd pairing guy that makes too many mistakes when playing too many minutes and has issues passing the puck.I just think he has more to give but he hasn’t done it.

    Larsson – B

    Coming back from a broken leg right at the beginning of the year is tough and he really did struggle for quite a while. With that said, he’s been “2017 Larsson” for a good stretch now and that player gets an A to me. On aggregate, he’s been an A for a month or so and a D for a month or so – lets saw it off.

    Bear – A

    As far as expectations, this kid wasn’t “supposed” to make the team out of camp and he’s been a top 4 right shot puck moving d-man all season long – even played top minutes for much of it.He’s struggled a bit over the last month or so with some defensive mistakes but he’s also improved in certain defensive areas (1 on 1 defending, 1 on 1 battles, etc.).He is the team’s best puck mover.

    Rusty – B

    Rusty has been Rusty but his minutes have been cut back big time by the coaching staff this year.He’s been hurt so that takes away the B plus.Great on the PK as usual.

    Jones – B plus

    I added the plus because of the top 4 minutes he played when Klef was out.He’s still not a “legit top 4 d-man” but he’s looking like he will be that guy with some more development.To me, he’s established himself as a legit every day NHL d-man. The coaches played him over Kris Russell last game.

    Benning C-

    I like Benning more than most but, at the end of the day, he’s had a tough season.He was actually really good with Rusty until he got hurt and, since he’s come back, he’s only playing like 10 minutes per game and does kill penalties unless a d-man is in the box.

    ———————————–

    Goalies

    Koskinen – B plus

    Almost game him an A- because, as far as expectations go, he’s kind of hit them. Not a legit 1A starter but a guy that can share the net and, for the most part, he gives the team a chance to win.He’s streaky and, when he’s not playing well, he leaks bad goals, but he’s had two “warm streaks” this year and his numbers are, well, average.

    Smith – B

    Again, the grade is vis-a-vis expectations and I don’t think any of us expected Smith to do more than he’s done. On aggregate, his numbers are somewhat poor but that is because he was SO BAD in December. He was good in October and good in January/February and without him finding his game in early 2020, things could have gone off the rails.

    Didn’t you just post this a couple of days ago?

  46. flyfish1168 says:

    N64:
    Yes. That’s also in the medium article. I’ve lost track of how many of you have expressed the helpfulness of that article:

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

    Is one of the better world covid 19 trackers that is updated every hour.

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  47. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Projecting Oilers prospects Raphael Lavoie and Kirill Maksimov

    https://theathletic.com/1676643/2020/03/15/lowetide-projecting-oilers-prospects-raphael-lavoie-and-kirill-maksimov/

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    hags9k:
    Great summary on these guys LT, the team is certainly in good to great shape in so may spots.Defense factory indeed.Even skill winger now looks ok with the Ennis and AA adds, although you’d like to see a couple more potential impact Fs bubbling under…

    LT, this off season I would appreciate if you would specifically define what is needed to meet your definition of a balanced roster.So that we may hold you to it.So that we may see the bloody pic before the end of times.

    Thanks a bunch!

    One skill forward that’s not on the list is Lavoie – not on the list because he hasn’t signed his ELC yet which will certainly happen this spring.

    One would expect a 2nd is added in the 1st round of the 2020 draft although I guess we all assumed that for 2019 (not to open up that conversation again…).

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Lol. I will tell you the team is one scoring winger and a No. 3 center away at this time.

    I agree – those are the two required “additions”.

    I’ve been saying that I think there is likely enough cap room to acquire one externally this off-season, likely a 3C.

    That’s contingent on one disposition of Rusty/Larsson – preferably Rusty for cap space.

    Who knows, if Holland does try and open up more room (i.e. a Neal buyout), maybe both can be acquired but I’m cool with the “slower” approach – I can’t look at 6 years of a dead $2M.

    Hey, maybe Slepy at $1.5M continues his KHL heater in the NHL and gels with Leon – there was some playoff success back in 2017…..

  50. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic:Projecting Oilers prospects Raphael Lavoie and Kirill Maksimov

    https://theathletic.com/1676643/2020/03/15/lowetide-projecting-oilers-prospects-raphael-lavoie-and-kirill-maksimov/

    After reading that piece…I am again scratching my head about the wisdom of drafting Broberg.

    Zegras, Newhook and Krebs…all centres drafted after him, had solid seasons and with the power outage in Bakersfield it strikes me the farm team could really use a high end centre prospect.

  51. fries n gravy says:

    Remember the “Krusty is a guy where stats don’t apply” debate? Are we admitting Mike Smith to the same debate??

  52. tileguy says:

    N64,

    Re the medium.com article you have posted,
    Please take the time to read the comments below the article before blind acceptance. Many read like this
    “ It is irresponsible of medium to publish this article by someone with no background in medicine, public health, epidemiology or statistics without a peer review by people in those fields.“
    Some of the charts have proven wrong, the one that sticks out for me is chart #5

    Not starting an argument or being in denial,

    • N64 says:

      Totally understand. Would not suggest any one believe that site over any other.
      Can’t think of any peer reviewed web sites but would recommend CDC site and listen to medical chiefs.

      Your larger point is about statistical/ epedemialogical backgrounds. Would appreciate some good links covering this ground more precisely. This is so viral now that there may be useful reviews and suggestions.
      .
      Someone clever replied to the comment with this reference:

      Trisha Greenhalgh
      @trishgreenhalgh
      ·
      Mar 11
      This is the best article I’ve read on #COVID19.

  53. blainer says:

    Harpers Hair: I just bought five $100 gift cards to local restaurants who are suffering a big drop in business due to the virus.

    What have you done?

    Classy move HH.. We need more of this for sure. Everybody can play a part. Support small and local business as it really can make the difference of a small business owner’s ability to survive.

  54. fries n gravy says:

    LT: thanks for keeping the lights on as winter comes. I like hockey season here but especially appreciate the off-months’ discussion and diversion. If this is a virtual pub, I can’t imagine a better bartender or group of morons up and down the pine. Keep up the great work, everyone, and refill those prescriptions sooner rather than later.

  55. N64 says:

    AB and other provinces have required iso for all returnees or visitors globally since Thursday. Ottawa agreed Friday. Now this:

    Marieke Walsh
    @MariekeWalsh

    Now this

    @MariekeWalsh
    Dr. Tam does not explain why the need to self-isolate for 14 days has not been communicated to international travellers arriving at airports, even though officials have been recommending that since Friday #cdnpoli

    1:25 PM · Mar 15, 2020·
    @MariekeWalsh 32m
    She calls this a rapidly evolving situation. In response to a later question she says people are working hard to update the screening and information provided to people arriving in Canada #cdnpoli

    • godot10 says:

      1:23 PM · Mar 15, 2020

      Althia Raj
      @althiaraj
      ·
      I’m sorry but @CPHO_Canada is not providing clear direct answers to many questions…

  56. Munny says:

    jfry:
    my agency represents over 200 restaurants in canada& the us, including one of the chains mentioned in that article. the numbers in that article are generous based on the data we have this weekend. it’s tragic. our independents are doing even worse because they don’t have the marketing funds to offset.

    if this continues for a month, there will have to be some very serious conversations about economic stimulus. lots of businesses are going to be out of business by june, it feels like. it’s sad.

    Yeah, sadly this confirms what my eyes have seen these past few days.

    While the college age kids had the bars bumping, especially last night… for the past three days the restaurants in this town have been pretty much vacant.

  57. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair: After reading that piece…I am again scratching my head about the wisdom of drafting Broberg.

    Zegras, Newhook and Krebs…all centres drafted after him, had solid seasons and with the power outage in Bakersfield it strikes me the farm team could really use a high end centre prospect.

    Absolutely no doubt. The Broberg pick ran counter with logic in terms of need

    • Dustylegnd says:

      We now have an embarrassment of riches at R Defence…..

      KH needs to make a hockey trade for what we don’t got….

      seems to me the rarest beast in the Jungle is a very good R defence man…we have a few of those …..seems to me he needs to call wonder boy in TO and get er done

  58. flyfish1168 says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely no doubt. The Broberg pick ran counter with logic in terms of need

    Do you feel if KH waited till this years draft he would be able get a Dman with the potential of Broberg? or a Center in this draft be easier to find?

  59. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jfry:
    i think smith is interesting, because his counting numbers don’t scream NHL goalie anymore (two years running), but when you look at it through the lens of quality starts or starts above replacement, he still does reasonably well. what i found when analyzing him last year, was that he’d win with a .930, and lose with .815. looking at him this way made me care less about save percentage. if he is above replacement 65% of the time, or carries a save percentage that is likely to win games 65% of the time, then that’s positive, right? when he flops, he really flops, but a team is going to lose X% of games anyhow, so what does the vanity stat really matter?

    i’m not trying to defend him, but it’s just a trend i noticed in analysis last year.

    That’s interesting.

    What is a “quality start” in your analysis?

  60. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely no doubt. The Broberg pick ran counter with logic in terms of need

    Even if you’re drafting BPA you had better make a very strong case that Broberg is a better prospect than those three.

    Where is the evidence?

  61. Lowetide says:

    I encourage you to express your politics on your own blog, please and thanks.

  62. Lowetide says:

    Harpers Hair: Even if you’re drafting BPA you had better make a very strong case that Broberg is a better prospect than those three.

    Where is the evidence?

    I had Broberg No. 16, so don’t need evidence.

    https://lowetide.ca/2019/06/01/here-comes-the-sun-2019/

  63. Lowetide says:

    flyfish1168: Do you feel if KH waited till this years draft he would be able get a Dman with the potential of Broberg? or a Center in this draft be easier to find?

    I think Holland had two lists and his own ideas. I don’t think that will change.

  64. godot10 says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely no doubt. The Broberg pick ran counter with logic in terms of need

    They need someone to replace Klefbom seamlessly in three years, when Klef will be 30 and seeking a massive contract.

    Finding 3C’s to play behind McDavid and Draissaitl, once the cap situation is fixed, is easy compared to maintaining a championship calibre top 4 on D.

  65. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide: I had Broberg No. 16, so don’t need evidence.

    https://lowetide.ca/2019/06/01/here-comes-the-sun-2019/

    Sorry…I worded that poorly. The you I was referring to was Ken Holland.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    jfry:
    flyfish1168,

    after katz was shamed online. this wasn’t something he intended to do.

    100% speculation and totally unfair.

    My goodness, sometimes things take a bit of time – OEG and Katz wasn’t even given 24 hours before the online vitriol started spewing. There is a process to making financial decisions, its not just a snap of the fingers. Shit, for all we know Katz himself was having a medical procedure for his personal health issues.

    There is nothing to base your statement that I know of and complete speculation.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    ALL sports have never been shutdown at the same time.

    Even though It has only been 3 days, I Have realized SPORTS is an enormous and important part of my life.With reflection, I now appreciate how important Sports is in day to day society.

    Locally school sports are cancelled Soccer provincials cancelled Minor Hockey cancelled Keeping kids active in Sport is so so important.

    I miss ground root sports, my kids sports and I dearly miss the Oilers.

    Its going to be interesting when things start up again – we all love “overlap season” which we were just coming in to (NHL stretch drive, the NHL a few weeks behind, MLB starting, etc.) but, when its “safe to sport” again, there is going to be an enormous amount of stuff trying to get back up and running at the same time.

    I don’t know if its going to be amazing or a nightmare.

  68. Munny says:

    Dustylegnd,

    Loved your long post on present oil and gas industry economics. Don’t know what happened to it as it has apparently disappeared, but it was note perfect.

    Saudis tiring of lying on the grenade for three years was both apt and funny.

  69. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10: They need someone to replace Klefbom seamlessly in three years, when Klef will be 30 and seeking a massive contract.

    Finding 3C’s to play behind McDavid and Draissaitl, once the cap situation is fixed, is easy compared to maintaining a championship calibre top 4 on D.

    The argument of using proven NHLers in those spots is also strong.

    Not too dear to acquire either (usually) and some available in UFA.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    I will not be surprised to see Green offered a contract this summer. If the plan is to run Larsson, Bear and Bouchard I am pretty sure Holland wants a vet available to play 40 games or so both for injury and to let Bouchard watch some games during the season. If that doesn’t interest Green at somewhere around $2.2 mil ( about what I estimate it would cost to re-sign Benning) then I expect to see Holland shop elsewhere.

    As many have noted here the TOI for Benning seems to make it pretty clear what the coaching staff think of him.

    I had finally managed to make myself accept the $1.9 buyout for six years in order to retire Neal when everything changed. Six years is a long time but the addition of Bear, Jones and Yakomoto unexpectedly – to me – added three key pieces making playoff hockey and contending a closer reality. Now, of course, the cap is totally uncertain so we wait on Neal’s fate but the hope would be for a non-cap buyout stipulation league wide. An interesting wrinkle would be the fate of our $750,000 retained salary should the Flames choose to move on from Lucic.

    I am not ready to re-sign Smith until I see what else is available out there in August. I do expect Holland to make Ennis an offer. He has been quite consistent in his verbal that he likes stability and that his moves all have a longer term aspect as he tries to right the ship.

    JMO but this team could use some roster stability so I don’t expect more than one trade this summer if any. Athanasiou gets two years if he wants it close to his QO.

    Bear’s next contract will be interesting. He and Jones have traded places in development for a few years now with Bear getting his opportunity about 30 games earlier this year – as much due to injury and position as anything. I know many here think that competition is now settled in favour of Bear but I am not convinced. Jones signed for $850,000 for two years. Bear’s comps for this season are in a much higher range. The conversation between Holland and Bear’s agent should be very interesting.

    Great post.

    On the d-men, I presume that we’ve moved on from Kris Russell as well? It may be easier said than done and the Oilers may be forced to retain but I assume that player isn’t on your roster?

    On that assumption, if Benning is also moved (which seems likely given his usage by the coach since he’s returned) then I do agree that a veteran d-man needs to be signed for depth.

    If one of Larsson or Benning are moved, in addition to the assumed Rusty disposition, then, yes, management needs to bring a veteran in.

    I’m not sold that that player should be Mike Green though – partially because I’m not sure he is the right type of player and will cost too much for the player I am thinking of (a 6 or 7 on the depth chart).

    If Green will sign for $1.5M then, sure, but I don’t see that happening.

    Given useage in the smallest of sample sizes, it seems the coach and manager think Green is more of a top 4 d-man than I think he is at this stage of his career and I think it would be a mistake to bring him back with that thought in mind (and the corresponding price).

    • Woodguy v2.0 says:

      I think Green signs for $2.5 or close.

      Just a guess due to his age and (assumed) wanting to hang around a good team and maybe go deep.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Didn’t you just post this a couple of days ago?

    Yes, and I had a private conversation with Lowetide who was all for me posting it again and encouraged it.

    Is that enough of an explanation for you?

    I apologize for trying to interject some Oilers hockey talk.

    Geez..

    I would encourage you to consider not consistently telling others how and what to post.

    • N64 says:

      Blog was Covid free this morning. My first thought was it’s a good time to read this.

  72. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    A bit of good news:

    I posted yesterday how my vendors in China are getting “back to normal” and how the proximity to Wuhan was a large factor in the speed in which “normalcy” is being restored.

    The mill in Dalian, which is on a Northern city on peninsula NorthEast of Beijing and close to North Korea has got “back to normal” the quickest and my mill contract happily told me today that the schools are re-opening this week.

    That’s about 7 weeks from the start of Hubei province (where Wuhan is) started the first lock down.

    Yay!

    Also,

    My contract at my vendor half way between Shanghai and Wuhan read that Canada is now starting to go through what they did and offered to send me supplies to get me through if I needed them.

    I wept when he said that.

    People.

    Man.

    We’re all in this together.

  73. blainer says:

    Greenberg:
    So I will be a party pooper, with this excerpt from a COVID-19 victim in Spain writing to a friend in Canada: (if you can’t stand the virus talk, skip this one)

    > > A week ago here in Spain, we only talked about coronavirus. We already had some cases, but it just didn’t seem that bad. We saw the suffering in Italy and said “That won’t happen here.” Changes were not made. People still went out on the weekend, went to the gym, went to work, to school, etc. Preventing the spread of the virus was not a priority. Fast forward just 1 WEEK: Spain is now in a state of emergency. The virus is here and it is tearing through this country. I have coronavirus. My friends have coronavirus. Parents of children have coronavirus. Teachers, students, business people, researchers, politicians, bus drivers, etc. have coronavirus. In a matter of days, the number of confirmed cases spiked from just a few hundred to well into the thousands. Hospitals and medical clinics are completely and entirely exhausted, operating at over-capacity, with quickly depleting resources and staff. Hundreds of doctors, nurses and other medical personnel have caught the virus and have been issued to quarantine. Those who remain are working 24/7, non stop. It is not just the elderly or the immunocompromised who are checking in for treatment- people of ALL ages are needing medical care. With each passing day, the death toll rises and the situation grows more severe.
    > >
    > > In just 1 WEEK the coronavirus has caused Spain to crumble and it appears the worst has yet to come. Now having one of the fastest rates of COVID-19 contagion in the entire world, the Spanish Prime Minister stated that the number of cases could top 10,000 by early next week- almost double the current level. Just yesterday, cases rose by 1,500. If the pressure on the health care system is already unbearable, then what could possibly happen in the following days? We could ask our dear friends in Italy, as they are about a week ahead of us, with thousands of infected people trying to get into hospitals with only a few spaces left. With doctors and nurses having to CHOOSE who to save and who to let die because there are not enough medical professionals, supplies or space left to treat the growing number of patients. The Spanish government can see we are following in Italy’s footsteps and the pressure is on, to make up for a lack of action taken in the beginning.
    > >
    > > All schools and universities have shut down. Public events and sports games have been cancelled. Roads have been blocked, entire regions of the country are under lockdown and towns and villages have been quarantined. Businesses, cafes, restaurants, gyms, bars/cubs and shopping centres have all closed, with the exception of the supermarkets selling food and pharmacies. Police roam the streets to ensure people stay inside. The rest of the world can see the risk now too- 62 countries have suspended flights from Spain.
    > >
    > > To think, if preventative action could have been taken just 1 week before, if the mindsets of people could have shifted 1 week earlier, we could be living a very different reality right now.

    I’ve been saying for a week now that we need to shut our country down Now !! Isolate the travellers when they come back home.

    This would would really hurt my business but I really feel it’s coming anyway. Do it now before it is to late.

    I agree a week is everything with this virus. Sometimes even a day !!

    People do not want to make the tough decisions but IMO it is the correct move.

    Hang in there Greenberg .. you will get through this.

  74. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: 100% speculation and totally unfair.

    My goodness, sometimes things take a bit of time – OEG and Katz wasn’t even given 24 hours before the online vitriol started spewing. There is a process to making financial decisions, its not just a snap of the fingers. Shit, for all we know Katz himself was having a medical procedure for his personal health issues.

    There is nothing to base your statement that I know of and complete speculation.

    I’m not sure why I’m tagged here OP. i was supporting Oilers position versus phlegms.

  75. defmn says:

    N64:
    Lagesson still has the opportunity next year (we hope) to make his case before expansion draft as well.

    JMO but Lagesson will have to clear waivers and start the season in Bakersfield. I want my 7th dman to be RH as cover for the rookie and the sophomore.

    • N64 says:

      8D has happened before for first weeks precisely in this scenario. Kid will get a few games to prepare for this summerm

      • Woodguy v2.0 says:

        Or you send him down early when there is a flood of prospects hitting the waiver wire and all the teams don’t look too hard at the WW since they are still evaluating their teams.

        I like Lagesson a lot but a LHD without a ton of offence and just a handful of NHL games played can clear waivers during camp.

        Every team has 3 of those guys.

    • Munny says:

      Seems like its tough to get out of TC without a defenseman injured too.

    • pts2pndr says:

      If the Oilers sign Berglund and bring him over to Bakersfield he would cover the the 3 right. D spot in case of injury. With Bear, Larsson and Bouchard as your three right D regulars Benning is the logical player to move with the least amount of risk. Left side with Klefbom, Nurse and Jones. Given that Jones can play left or right side Lagesson becomes a legitimate option for 7th D. This allows the disposition of Russel. It will all depend on wether you can move Russels contract and wether Holland can get Green signed on a short term cap friendly deal.

  76. N64 says:

    blainer: Isolate the travellers when they come back home.

    This would would really hurt my business but I really feel it’s coming anyway. Do it now before it is to late

    The wierd part provinces announced this Thursday. We’re still trying to get Canada customs to inform 100%. And then names and addresses should go to local and provincial public health

  77. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Sean Tierney who si @ChartingHockey on Twitter is great follow.

    His site and Twitter feed has great visualizations on how each team is doing via a variety of metrics.

    He ran the playoffs using points percentage and EDM and he got:

    EDM beating VAN 4-2 in the first round.

    EDM beating NSH 4-0 (sweep!) In the 2nd round.

    EDM beating STL beating 4-1 to win the Western Conference Final.

    EDM taking a 3-2 lead against TBY in the Stanley Cup Final but losing games 6 and 7.

    Link: https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1239008583112679426?s=19

    • godot10 says:

      Click bait.

      • Andy Dufresne says:

        Tierney also had Kassian winning the Conn Smythe

        Godot Bait 🙂

      • Woodguy v2.0 says:

        I know you’re cynical by DNA, but if Tierney wanted clickbait he’d have the Leaves going deep.

        He’s a Leaves fan and that is most of his audience (like every other mass media hockey person in Canada)

  78. jfry says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    we used a hybrid save percentage number. we took the average GAA of a replacement goalie (which was surprisingly low last year, i want to say like .909 (?) and the average GAA of a winning goalie and then compared them to win likelihood per start for both rittich and smith. compared to rittich, only, their results were very similar even though their GAAs were very different.

    the data is potentially skewed because it’s one season and the flames were a high scoring team, but that affected both goalies.

    we have a data studio file with all the visualizations on it, but can’t seem to track it down. i’ll see if one of our staff still has it, and i’ll post tomorrow if i can find it.

  79. Munny says:

    godot10: They need someone to replace Klefbom seamlessly in three years, when Klef will be 30 and seeking a massive contract.

    Finding 3C’s to play behind McDavid and Draissaitl, once the cap situation is fixed, is easy compared to maintaining a championship calibre top 4 on D.

    This is the way I see it too.

  80. frjohnk says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Sean Tierney who si @ChartingHockey on Twitter is great follow.

    His site and Twitter feed has great visualizations on how each team is doing via a variety of metrics.

    He ran the playoffs using points percentage and EDM and he got:

    EDM beating VAN 4-2 in the first round.

    EDM beating NSH 4-0 (sweep!) In the 2nd round.

    EDM beating STL beating 4-1 to win the Western Conference Final.

    EDM taking a 3-2 lead against TBY in the Stanley Cup Final but losing games 6 and 7.

    Link: https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/1239008583112679426?s=19

    Which Oiler Dman pushes a TB forward into our goalie?

  81. defmn says:

    Lowetide: I think Holland had two lists and his own ideas. I don’t think that will change.

    Agreed. And it shouldn’t change imo since it is the GM who pays the price for most often for failing to improve the roster.

  82. blainer says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    A bit of good news:

    I posted yesterday how my vendors in China are getting “back to normal” and how the proximity to Wuhan was a large factor in the speed in which “normalcy” is being restored.

    The mill in Dalian, which is on a Northern city on peninsula NorthEast of Beijing and close to North Korea has got “back to normal” the quickest and my mill contract happily told me today that the schools are re-opening this week.

    That’s about 7 weeks from the start of Hubei province (where Wuhan is) started the first lock down.

    Yay!

    Also,

    My contract at my vendor half way between Shanghai and Wuhan read that Canada is now starting to go through what they did and offered to send me supplies to get me through if I needed them.

    I wept when he said that.

    People.

    Man.

    We’re all in this together.

    That is great news WG. I also deal with China for my goods but haven’t even attempted to put any orders in with my suppliers mainly due to the uncertainty here in Canada.

    Seven weeks is a long time.. let’s hope that our lockdown won’t be as long. The quicker we do it I think the quicker we will come back out.

    Never know we might even get the playoff’s in if we handle this correctly in the here and now.

  83. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Since they are our canary in the coal mine, I hope, for both their sake and ours, that they’re now on top of the situation and aren’t subject to future waves of infection/crisis that require reinstatement of mitigation policies.

  84. Harpers Hair says:

    The Flames have announced a compensation plan for their part-time employees.
    https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/csec-announces-compensation-program-for-part-time-employees/c-316170828

  85. blainer says:

    Munny:
    Woodguy v2.0,

    Since they are our canary in the coal mine, I hope, for both their sake and ours, that they’re now on top of the situation and aren’t subject to future waves of infection/crisis that require reinstatement of mitigation policies.

    I think that coming out of this in China the best way to handle this is to still keep up with the social distancing as much as possible and continuing to restrict travel .. Hoping China uses baby steps for now.

    • Munny says:

      Me too. And I hope however they do it, it’s effective and other nations can learn from it.

  86. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: Great post.

    On the d-men, I presume that we’ve moved on from Kris Russell as well?It may be easier said than done and the Oilers may be forced to retain but I assume that player isn’t on your roster?

    On that assumption, if Benning is also moved (which seems likely given his usage by the coach since he’s returned) then I do agree that a veteran d-man needs to be signed for depth.

    If one of Larsson or Benning are moved, in addition to the assumed Rusty disposition, then, yes, management needs to bring a veteran in.

    I’m not sold that that player should be Mike Green though – partially because I’m not sure he is the right type of player and will cost too much for the player I am thinking of (a 6 or 7 on the depth chart).

    If Green will sign for $1.5M then, sure, but I don’t see that happening.

    Given useage in the smallest of sample sizes, it seems the coach and manager think Green is more of a top 4 d-man than I think he is at this stage of his career and I think it would be a mistake to bring him back with that thought in mind (and the corresponding price).

    Yes, in my mind KRussel is gone with thanks for his contributions to the team. I am aware that there is a NTC but I have confidence that Holland can overcome that after July 1. I am also assuming that Benning is gone since I don’t see a spot for him. I am not married to the idea of the 7th dman being Green but I do see a vet (29 -32 years of age) who can mentor and is happy with 40 or so games as the right move. Back before everything changed and I was working with a $84.5 mil cap I had $2.2 mil available for that spot which is high but rookie & sophomore – you want cover imo.

    I do not move Larsson this summer no matter how tempting the offer. I think I like him more than many on this blog but to me you need a mix of types and experience. I much prefer him to Benning on that side.

  87. Andy Dufresne says:

    The US Federal Reserve just cut interest rates to ZERO !

    that is an apocolyptic warning sign for the economy for the next two quarters.

    The probability that America and the World goes into a recession this year is nearing 100%

    • Munny says:

      I was expecting it Monday. They beat me by a day, the bastards.

    • godot10 says:

      US dollar swap lines with other central banks. $700 billion in QE.

      No QE-for-the-people yet. Still just for the banks.

      • Munny says:

        The action in the bond market this past week (esp the 30yr) was driven by pension funds, non-profit corps, leveraged hedge funds needing urgent redemptions… so selling the portions of their portfolios that they are ahead on and where the markets still have some semblance of liquidity.

        Fund managers do not want to sell junk bonds (and certainly not equities) into this decline because they will take massive losses.

        So essentially they are selling their winners and keeping their losers.

        After an approximately 10 year long buying spree, companies have pushed their leverage to levels one would typically see from junk-rated borrowers. Bloomberg News took a look at this about a year or so ago, looking at the effect all this M&A action has had on acquiring companies.

        These companies are holding approx $1T in debt., yet despite their leverage have been allowed to keep their investment ratings by S&P and Moody’s.

        Bloomberg Barclays index data shows this represents about half of the outstanding market. This is of course yet another central bank sponsored bubble.

        So about half of the US bond market is a step or two away from junk.

        With deflation coming and coming hard, we can expect downgrades from the ratings agencies.

        Due to pension fund regulations these funds will be forced to sell those newly junk-rated bonds into a declining market with everyone rushing for the exit at once. It will be a bloodbath.

        Mish Shedlock had a good article on the corporate bond bubble last summer. It can be found here for those interested:

        https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/junk-bond-bubble-in-pictures-deflation-up-next-YVeMRrVqLEaueKaY2sMLBQ

        Lacy Hunt of Hoisington Management, (a bond fund with $4B AUM) is confirming that the selling of long-dated Treasuries is the beginning of this bond bubble bursting.

    • duct tape and foil says:

      In a word……..boom

      Shyte is about to get real people as the Fed is out of ammo.

      Western Canada Crude at $16. Let the ramifications of that sink in.

      Hold tight and stay safe to all of you in AB.

  88. defmn says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I think Green signs for $2.5 or close.

    Just a guess due to his age and (assumed) wanting to hang around a good team and maybe go deep.

    I think that is the minimum he will want but the cap implications of the WueFlu may temper things this summer. I think he also feels comfortable in his relationship with Holland so we will see.

  89. defmn says:

    Munny: This is the way I see it too.

    Me three. I remember that last summer I counted 3 top sixers on the team, no 3rd line centre and only one RHD out of the 12 important roster spots leaving us with 6 holes (top 6, 3rd line centre, top 4 d and starting goalie). To me that looked like we were 3 years away from contending seriously since it required 2 important pieces per season to be fully balanced.

    Well, we added Yakomoto, Kassian has kind of, sort of proven he can be the 3rd wheel with McDavid if they can find a proper 2nd wheel, the defence is looking like a strength with Jones and Bear and Koskinen has looked like a workable 1B. All of a sudden we are two pieces short instead of six so the timeline moves up but last summer it looked like we were 3 years out so I thought the Broberg move made sense from that perspective.

  90. N64 says:

    Ok this is truly wierd, but if they resume in a few months could the first round of playoffs involve no border crossings?

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-players-must-remain-cities-play/

    And nothing about Canadian players returning to the US

  91. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Even if you’re drafting BPA you had better make a very strong case that Broberg is a better prospect than those three.

    Where is the evidence?

    It is very difficult to compare forwards and D early days as they don’t progress at the same rate. In this case the comparison also includes different leagues and Broberg is the youngest player of the group. By tool box of skating, size and positional skill Broberg matches up very well. Time will tell but Broberg could still be the best NHL player draft plus five years. This site touts draft Best player available which four years down the road very well could be Broberg.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: Absolutely no doubt. The Broberg pick ran counter with logic in terms of need

    Sure but haven’t we “been told” that you don’t draft for need in the first round, in particular in the first half of the first round?

  93. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its going to be interesting when things start up again – we all love “overlap season” which we were just coming in to (NHL stretch drive, the NHL a few weeks behind, MLB starting, etc.) but, when its “safe to sport” again, there is going to be an enormous amount of stuff trying to get back up and running at the same time.

    I don’t know if its going to be amazing or a nightmare.

    For the first time in a few years, I was getting pumped to be watching the Jays and Oil at the same time in the spring. Both exciting young teams. Damn!!!

  94. N64 says:

    Schools and daycares closing in Alberta. 2 reasons. The 2 untraced cases from yesterday remain untraced so working on basis of community spread until linked back to travel. Also the zero tolerance policy recommendations for colds etc was agreed to be unworkable by schools.

    Also 7 cases from one gathering in Calgary zone but they the travel connection. I’ll assume the details will surface naturally.

    50-250 rules under daily review still to determine workability in different areas

    No burgers but drive thrus return to Edmonton and Calgary for a select group. Reservation by 811

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6679954/coronavirus-calgary-edmonton-drive-thru/

    Bar imports from Frankfurt

    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/employee-at-the-garage-in-eau-claire-tests-positive-for-covid-19/wcm/7e0211fa-e96d-45f9-bb34-0c8497846f94/amp/

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    We now have an embarrassment of riches at R Defence…..

    KH needs to make a hockey trade for what we don’t got….

    seems to me the rarest beast in the Jungle is a very good R defence man…we have a few of those …..seems to me he needs to call wonder boy in TO and get er done

    I’m not sure about “embarrassment of riches” with:

    Bear
    Larsson
    Benning
    Bouchard

    Kemp

    There is also Green but he’s a UFA

    Trading either of Bear or Larsson creates a hole in the top 6. Trading Benning is “fine” but there is no depth except Green and I’d prefer a more “solid” and/or “reliable” veteran right D depth acquisition.

    • Dustylegnd says:

      Green is easy to resign, everything is relative, or maybe somebody needs left D but we are in great shape on D …. I am confident Bouchard is bonefide… because so many others only see the blemishes…. there is a slick multi player deal to be made KH should be able to do it

    • pts2pndr says:

      You forgot Kesselring.

  96. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Or you send him down early when there is a flood of prospects hitting the waiver wire and all the teams don’t look too hard at the WW since they are still evaluating their teams.

    I like Lagesson a lot but a LHD without a ton of offence and just a handful of NHL games played can clear waivers during camp.

    Every team has 3 of those guys.

    I believe the Canes sent down McKeown very very early in camp and he cleared. I was surprised he cleared.

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    I think Green signs for $2.5 or close.

    Just a guess due to his age and (assumed) wanting to hang around a good team and maybe go deep.

    That is about the price range I would assume as well and, while I do see it likely happening, as of now, I am not on board with it at all – I don’t’ think he’s a legit top 4 d-man, certainly not one that can be counted on to play tough opposition minutes nightly and to be solid defensively. Yes, he can still move the puck but that skill is eroding. He isn’t needed for the PP. He can’t be relied on for healthy.

    I’m OK with Mike Green despite my words above – I just don’t think he’s the “right fit” as he’s too expensive for what I think is needed and not good enough anymore to do more.

  98. v4ance says:

    N64:
    Schools and daycares closing in Alberta. 2 reasons. The 2 untraced cases from yesterday remain untraced so working on basis of community spread until linked back to travel. Also the zero tolerance policy recommendations for colds etc was agreed to be unworkable by schools.

    Also 7 cases from one event in Calgary but they know from whom. I’ll assume the details will surface naturally.

    50-250 rules under daily review still to determine workability in different areas

    No burgers but drive thrus return to Edmonton and Calgary for a select group. Reservation by 811

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6679954/coronavirus-calgary-edmonton-drive-thru/

    Bar imports from Frankfurt

    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/employee-at-the-garage-in-eau-claire-tests-positive-for-covid-19/wcm/7e0211fa-e96d-45f9-bb34-0c8497846f94/amp/

    My co-workers are regulars at the Garage. I should ask them who the server was who went to Germany because they’d actually know…

  99. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Dustylegnd:
    yet we are directed to send our kids to school by our Provincial government, so they can become infected and bring it home to pass onto parents that are staying away from work and working online

    Apparently, schools and daycares in Alberta have officially been shut down due to the covid19 virus.

    This is HUGE news as it now affects me and my wife (And thousands of other families) now not having a place to watch our kids while we go to work.

  100. Munny says:

    N64:
    Schools and daycares closing in Alberta. 2 reasons. The 2 untraced cases from yesterday remain untraced so working on basis of community spread until linked back to travel. Also the zero tolerance policy recommendations for colds etc was agreed to be unworkable by schools.

    Also 7 cases from one gathering in Calgary zonebut they the travel connection. I’ll assume the details will surface naturally.

    50-250 rules under daily review still to determine workability in different areas

    To add to the above…

    17 new cases bringing the provincial total to 56. Most are in Calgary due to the public gathering N64 highlights above.

    Province increasing Health funding by $500M to cope with the crisis.

    Province has purchased and is awaiting delivery of 50 new ICU respirators, bringing provincial total to something like 527. (I’m expecting delivery by Amazon drone lol) There are also pediatric respirators on hand, but province has made no purchases in that area.

    Places of worship with large congregations also being shuttered, and all religious faiths recommended to stream services (some had already started doing so).

    AEMA status has been upgraded to Level 3 (4 is the highest)

  101. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: That is about the price range I would assume as well and, while I do see it likely happening, as of now, I am not on board with it at all – I don’t’ think he’s a legit top 4 d-man, certainly not one that can be counted on to play tough opposition minutes nightly and to be solid defensively.Yes, he can still move the puck but that skill is eroding.He isn’t needed for the PP.He can’t be relied on for healthy.

    I’m OK with Mike Green despite my words above – I just don’t think he’s the “right fit” as he’s too expensive for what I think is needed and not good enough anymore to do more.

    What do you base this opinion of Green on?

  102. OilFire says:

    I have to transfer some Canadian money to the US within the next few months. Any insight into if the currently year-low value will get even worse or will improve?

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: I’m not sure why I’m tagged here OP. i was supporting Oilers position versus phlegms.

    Apologies if it (or I) quoted the wrong post – sometimes when I click “quote” weird stuff comes up – I may have missed it.

    My response was to the position that Katz and OEG only stepped up because of the social media (and other) pressure – I mean the “delay” was like 24 hours (give or take) after the shut-down – there is zero indication that OEG was every “not going to help” – in fact, without specifics, in the presser the morning after with the business guy, it was clear.

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Or you send him down early when there is a flood of prospects hitting the waiver wire and all the teams don’t look too hard at the WW since they are still evaluating their teams.

    I like Lagesson a lot but a LHD without a ton of offence and just a handful of NHL games played can clear waivers during camp.

    Every team has 3 of those guys.

    Yup, as maybe Lagesson’s biggest supporter over the last few years, I still thing that “at bats” is the only thing he needs to prove to be an NHL player, however, at this point, assuming normalcy, i don’t see him clearing waivers at the end of Sept/early Oct as a major risk – recall that names that cleared last year at that time – some very intriguing and skilled players.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    Seems like its tough to get out of TC without a defenseman injured too.

    I think we were healthy coming out of camp this year weren’t we? The first period of game 1 changed that though (Larsson).

  106. buck yoakam says:

    OK best irish tune…
    Tura Lura…the band with van morrison

    • Pescador says:

      Dirty Old Town
      do I even have to mention who the glorious band is?
      Edit: also possibly Streams of Whiskey

      • Munny says:

        That’s a Lanky song about the area near where I was born.

        Irish bands made it famous though.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr:
    If the Oilers sign Berglund and bring him over to Bakersfield he would cover the the 3right. D spot in case of injury. With Bear, Larsson and Bouchard as your three right D regulars Benning is the logical player to move with the least amount of risk. Left side with Klefbom, Nurse and Jones. Given that Jones can play left or right side Lagesson becomes a legitimate option for 7th D. This allows the disposition of Russel. It will all depend on wether you can move Russels contract and wether Holland can get Green signed on a short term cap friendly deal.

    I think there is a good shot that Berglund may indeed be NHL ready, if not in October, shortly thereafter.

    At the same time, that is just opinion and speculation. For too long this team has “assumed” that a prospect was going to be ready for a roster spot and planned on it only to have the prospect not be ready.

    While Berglund may very well be ready we don’t know and I think it would be prudent on management to plan for him to be an NHL player and have him earn/force his way on to the team – a veteran depth d-man would accomplish that.

    —————–

    Jones can play the right side and Coach T has talked about his footwork helping him in that regard but, at the same time, he’s shown to be better on his natural side and actually was quite express that shifting back to his left side was important in the spike we saw from him over the last little while, with Klef out.

    Like Rusty, I think his “ability” to play the right helps but shouldn’t be counted on as primary deployment.

    • pts2pndr says:

      I agree fully Berlund is merely backup to Jones having to fill in right side with Lagesson playing left side. This is the exact pairing that played first pairing for the Condors and should be able to handle short term third pairing in the event that injuries occur.

  108. Pescador says:

    OilFire:
    I have to transfer some Canadian money to the US within the next few months. Any insight into if the currently year-low value will get even worse or will improve?

    If you need to embezzle some cash to the U.S. I can recommend an excellent holdings company that I happen to be the current CEO of;
    Pyramid Cash Holdings Inc.
    Send me all of your cash & investment capital,
    I will work my magic & it will come out on the other side clean as a whistle.
    The more of your friends that you bring with you, the better returns I can promise you.
    That goes for anyone else on this blog as well

  109. Harpers Hair says:

    OilFire:
    I have to transfer some Canadian money to the US within the next few months. Any insight into if the currently year-low value will get even worse or will improve?

    The Canadian dollar will tank due to low oil prices.

  110. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Apologies if it (or I) quoted the wrong post – sometimes when I click “quote” weird stuff comes up – I may have missed it.

    My response was to the position that Katz and OEG only stepped up because of the social media (and other) pressure – I mean the “delay” was like 24 hours (give or take) after the shut-down – there is zero indication that OEG was every “not going to help” – in fact, without specifics, in the presser the morning after with the business guy, it was clear.

    +1

  111. flyfish1168 says:

    I can’t think of a better country to be in than Canada during this world pandemic

    • Ben says:

      Honestly, my greatest worry in terms of infrastructure and containment is our proximity to the states. It will be absolute tragedy down there (and as mentioned, tens of thousands of snowbirds coming back from there shortly).

    • godot10 says:

      Singapore.

  112. Ben says:

    Pescador,

    Pair of Brown Eyes too

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Yes, in my mind KRussel is gone with thanks for his contributions to the team. I am aware that there is a NTC but I have confidence that Holland can overcome that after July 1. I am also assuming that Benning is gone since I don’t see a spot for him. I am not married to the idea of the 7th dman being Green but I do see a vet (29 -32 years of age) who can mentor and is happy with 40 or so games as the right move. Back before everything changed and I was working with a $84.5 mil cap I had $2.2 mil available for that spot which is high but rookie & sophomore – you want cover imo.

    I do not move Larsson this summer no matter how tempting the offer. I think I like him more than many on this blog but to me you need a mix of types and experience. I much prefer him to Benning on that side.

    We are essentially on the same page – Rusty needs to go (that’s all but unanimous) and, assuming a second is gone (likely Benning), then a veteran depth d-man is required.

    I just don’t think Green is that guy and I don’t think he’s your ideal guy either given your preferred age range (29-32) – I want that veteran to be more of a guy that can be counted on for “solid minutes” more so than a former offensive producer with defensive deficiencies on the wrong side of 35 that will want to get paid still.

    Tanev, Edmundson, DeMelo, TVR, etc.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    In a word……..boom

    Shyte is about to get real people as the Fed is out of ammo.

    Western Canada Crude at $16. Let the ramifications of that sink in.

    Hold tight and stay safe to all of you in AB.

    Its ugly already and its not even started.

    At least the mid cap and junior producers are likely hedged out a few quarters at least which will help but the big boys don’t hedge and, well…..

  115. Harpers Hair says:

    Just heard from my two sons…one in Edmonton, one in Vancouver.

    #1 son in Vancouver is a film photographer on major projects and has been laid off indefinitely as all film and TV production in the Lower Mainland has been suspended. This will be a major blow to the BC economy.

    #1 son in Edmonton is married to a teacher who was due to go back to work tomorrow after maternity leave. All schools and daycares in Alberta have been shuttered…so she’s in limbo although I’m happy she won’t have to work in that environment.

    Mrs. Hair (who works in the senior’s care industry) and I have decided to self-isolate although neither of us has symptoms. Mrs Hair has COPD so is very vulnerable.

    This shit is getting very real folks…please stay safe.

    • Munny says:

      Harpers Hair,

      I believe teachers and staff will continue to work in AB, but sans students.

    • ChiliChunk says:

      Classes are cancelled but teachers could still be working. Here is a snippet from an e-mail we received this evening from the superintendent of our local school division:

      The latest strategy outlined by Dr. Deena Hinshaw, Chief Medical Officer of Health is effective immediately; student attendance at schools is prohibited.

      Teachers and other school staff will still be expected to work, either from home or at their workplace, to ensure these expectations are met and to support student learning.

      Decisions are still to be made when it comes to student progression, final marks and advancement of grades. We do know that provincial assessments, such as provincial achievement tests will be cancelled as of this time. Diploma exams essential for post-secondary acceptance will continue.

      Options for programming and supports for students will be determined in the very near future.

  116. Harpers Hair says:

    These fucking clowns are in charge of Canadians safety.

    https://twitter.com/punditclass/status/1239367962135425024?s=20

  117. v4ance says:

    https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1239384711299915781?s=20

    “Earlier today, Canucks Sports & Entertainment staff were updated that a member of our fulltime office staff has tested positive for COVID-19. The diagnosed individual is receiving care, observing 14-day self-quarantine guidelines and is feeling better. Anyone who may have had contact with the individual have been notified and are also observing self-quarantine for precautionary reasons. As a result, CSE’s offices are closed tomorrow and employees are preparing to work from home wherever possible. We are receiving guidance from the health authorities on next steps.

    The individual does not have a fan-facing role and is not in contact with the players, hockey operations personnel or Rogers Arena part-time events staff. Therefore the Public Health Authority has confirmed the public risk of exposure is low.

    CSE is taking continued, proactive steps to be a responsible member of our community, observing the impact of events and interactions, for the greater good of the health and safety of Metro Vancouver. We continue to urge everyone to focus on their health and appreciate their patience and understanding during this time.”

    Trent Carroll, COO, Canucks Sports & Entertainment

  118. v4ance says:

    Madeline Smith @meksmith

    BREAKING: State of local emergency declared for #yyc

    CEMA Chief Tom Sampson speaking now. Following facilities closed: all city-owned fitness facilities, pools, arenas. Numerous YMCA facilities. Will get a full list asap. #covid19

    Calgary public libraries are also ordered to close #covid19

    Calgary State of Local Emergency Declared 8;45 pm

  119. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: We are essentially on the same page – Rusty needs to go (that’s all but unanimous) and, assuming a second is gone (likely Benning), then a veteran depth d-man is required.

    I just don’t think Green is that guy and I don’t think he’s your ideal guy either given your preferred age range (29-32) – I want that veteran to be more of a guy that can be counted on for “solid minutes” more so than a former offensive producer with defensive deficiencies on the wrong side of 35 that will want to get paid still.

    Tanev, Edmundson, DeMelo, TVR, etc.

    Pretty much feel the same. I just think Holland sees it differently so am expecting Green to at least get an offer. Whether or not he accepts it remains to be seen but I think we both know that Holland likes lots of experience for the dressing room as well as on the ice so it won’t surprise me.

    If you are correct that Berglund is only half a year to a year away from ready for the NHL that also has to play into the decision of who to sign and for how long.

    But, yeah, there are better alternatives out there if they are willing to sign for the money a 6/7 dman should make.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    Matheson is reporting that the Oilers are indeed talking contract with Slepy’s agent.

  121. Munny says:

    duct tape and foil: Shyte is about to get real people as the Fed is out of ammo.

    They’re not completely out of ammo but what little they have left won’t be pretty if that’s a road they really want to go down.

  122. Munny says:

    Illinois closed all bars and restaurants today. with 93 confirmed cases.

    I can’t see there being any bars or restaurants open in AB by next weekend.

    The sooner, the better.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Damn, all Good Life Fitness’ closed effective immediately – thought I had one more day.

    So, the three things I care about for “me”:

    Sports
    Gym
    Travel

    All gone – blah!

    Yes, I’m being selfish but I’m allowed to be.

  124. defmn says:

    Jason Kenney
    @jkenney
    ·
    1h
    I visited @FlyEIA
    Intl Arrivals to monitor #COVID19 screening measures.

    I am very concerned about reports from travellers on inadequate federal screening protocols for international travellers.

    I have directed provincial officials to deploy provincial resources to AB airports

    • Munny says:

      Judging by HH’s link to the presser above, CBC is giving Kenney lots of love for his thoughts on the sad state of affairs at the airports.

  125. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny:
    Illinois closed all bars and restaurants today. with 93 confirmed cases.

    I can’t see there being any bars or restaurants open in AB by next weekend.

    The sooner, the better.

    Ohio too.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Pretty much feel the same. I just think Holland sees it differently so am expecting Green to at least get an offer. Whether or not he accepts it remains to be seen but I think we both know that Holland likes lots of experience for the dressing room as well as on the ice so it won’t surprise me.

    If you are correct that Berglund is only half a year to a year away from ready for the NHL that also has to play into the decision of who to sign and for how long.

    But, yeah, there are better alternatives out there if they are willing to sign for the money a 6/7 dman should make.

    Oh, again, we are on the same page – I do so Holland looking to bring Green back and something in the $2.5M-$3M range. I think that Holland/Tippett see Green as a legit top 4 guy still that can play 20 minutes per night – based on usage in his couple of games. I do not feel comfortable with the soon to be 35 year old in that role and at the cap hit – Holland, I believe, feels differently.

    I do think that Berglund may be an NHL option this year but its based off of performance in the SHL (and mostly what I’ve heard/read). That is far from a sure thing and, as I posted earlier, the Oilers should prepare in the off-season thinking unproven prospects will not be on the team and forcing them to beat out an incumbent.

    For years the Oilers have gone in to season relying on prospects to fill holes – generally will the opposite of success.

  127. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Matheson is reporting that the Oilers are indeed talking contract with Slepy’s agent.

    Depending on number, of course, I like that.

    I thought he was still under contract for the season though. Do contracts there end on a specific date like the NHL or are they individually negotiated?

  128. Yegfoundation says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I don’t see volunteer or community work on that list, may be an opportunity to give back some of your skills in a beneficial way?

    That may be a good discussion for the rest of the week. What options are there for the many good folks on this blog to help out in these difficult times.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny:
    what is with that smug smile on Joly?

    They’re all protecting Dear Leader.

    We’re fucked.

  130. Munny says:

    Completely OT

    This new episode of West World is the last place I expected to hear Pulp’s “Common People”…

  131. Gret99zky says:

    Munny:
    Illinois closed all bars and restaurants today. with 93 confirmed cases.

    I can’t see there being any bars or restaurants open in AB by next weekend.

    The sooner, the better.

    This.

    The sooner the entire country gets to lock-down the better. It’s the only way to effectively social distance.

    Italy and Spain sure wish they had the opportunity to lock down 7 days prior.

    We have it. Stopping the spread is crucial. The choices we make today…

  132. defmn says:

    Munny:
    Judging by HH’s link to the presser above, CBC is giving Kenney lots of love for his thoughts on the sad state of affairs at the airports.

    I try to stay out of the political perspectives here as our host’s request & personal preference but, yeah, when a Premier intrudes on a federal responsibility because he thinks it is putting lives in danger that is not a good look on the PM.

    BTW I responded to your question to me from the thread a couple of days ago. I wasn’t up at 4 a.m. when you asked it 😉 so not sure if you saw the response or really care. I basically just agreed with you and added a bit.

    • Munny says:

      I caught it and would like to thank you for your response… although your inclusion of Nietzsche really surprised me and raised my curiosity. Maybe one day we will quaff an ale and talk about it.

      I lived with a postmodernist Education prof in the 90s (not in that way lol). I had to mark her papers for her or everyone in her classes would’ve gotten zeroes.

    • godot10 says:

      Nova Scotia’s premier, who is a Liberal, announced today that he is putting provincial people at the two airports there also.

      The feds are MIA.

  133. jp says:

    Munny:
    Illinois closed all bars and restaurants today. with 93 confirmed cases.

    I can’t see there being any bars or restaurants open in AB by next weekend.

    The sooner, the better.

    Harpers Hair: Ohio too.

    Massachusetts also.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Depending on number, of course, I like that.

    I thought he was still under contract for the season though. Do contracts there end on a specific date like the NHL or are they individually negotiated?

    KHL contracts expire at the end of April (in the normal course).

  135. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Munny:
    Completely OT

    This new episode of West World is the last place I expected to hear Pulp’s “Common People”…

    They have always had good music.. Season one the player piano was consistently playing Radiohead.

    • Munny says:

      I had completely forgotten about that. I’ve been wading through the sludge that is the second season in the hopes they turn this train wreck (sorry) around, I’m going to watch S3ep1 in full later tonight. Fingers crossed.

  136. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Oh, again, we are on the same page – I do so Holland looking to bring Green back and something in the $2.5M-$3M range. I think that Holland/Tippett see Green as a legit top 4 guy still that can play 20 minutes per night – based on usage in his couple of games.I do not feel comfortable with the soon to be 35 year old in that role and at the cap hit – Holland, I believe, feels differently.

    $2.5-$3M doesn’t normally buy you a legit top 4 guy though.

    I think Holland/Tippett do want to sign him, and do view him as a potential top 4 option, at least as cover. I don’t think they EXPECT Green to play top 4 though. Probably 2RD-A and 2RD-B with Larsson. I think if they can swing it the Oilers RD will be Bear/Larsson/Green with Bouchard the first call.

    If Green signs in that range that’s a completely reasonable amount to spend on RD (pending Bear’s deal I guess). And at that price he’s and Larsson are good bets to cover 2RD/3RD minutes IMO.

  137. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: KHL contracts expire at the end of April (in the normal course).

    So can NHL teams talk to them before that because there is no formal agreement between leagues these days?

  138. v4ance says:

    I heartily recommend to everyone to watch Chernobyl if they haven’t already seen it. It was the Top rated TV show on IMDB for a while but dropped below Band of Brothers.

    Just substitute Covid19 for radiation and USA for USSR to see how chillingly the present is mirrored in the past. When politics push aside the truth, people die.

    After watching each episode, go to youtube and listen to the Chernobyl podcast. They interview Craig Mazin, the writer/producer and it’s amazing bonus content.

    • Munny says:

      I mentioned last night that it was a “strange coincidence” that HBO was showing all 5 episodes back-to-back.

      I also endorse the show. And I rarely do that with anything that originates from TV.

  139. Harpers Hair says:

    This thread has nothing to do with hockey or politics.
    Please read it.
    Your life or that of your loved ones depends on it.

    https://twitter.com/punditclass/status/1239367962135425024?s=20

  140. Harpers Hair says:

    Robyn Urback
    @RobynUrback
    Alberta, Quebec and Nova Scotia are now all sending provincial officials to airports out of concern that CBSA agents are not telling people about the 14-day isolation period. Pretty massive abdication of federal responsibility. Other provinces should quickly follow suit

  141. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny:
    Same link as the presser above, Andrew.

    Yes.

    It bears repeating.

  142. Ribs says:

    We convinced my father in law to come back early from Mexico last night. I was really wondering what kind of measures the airports were taking to get the info to passengers by the time he got back to Canada (Calgary). There was nothing. Unbelievable.

    He’s self isolating now, but I imagine there are many who haven’t.

  143. Harpers Hair says:

    Jason Kenney
    @jkenney
    I visited
    @FlyEIA
    Intl Arrivals to monitor #COVID19 screening measures.

    I am very concerned about reports from travellers on inadequate federal screening protocols for international travellers.

    I have directed provincial officials to deploy provincial resources to AB airports

  144. Harpers Hair says:

    Gallows humour…which is my favourite kind..is surfacing.

    Justin Houston
    @FinsUpSailor
    ·
    Mar 14
    **Breaking**:
    In order to help with the spread of the Coronavirus Justin Trudeau has asked all those over 70 years old to head to their nearest airport to welcome flights from Europe and China.

  145. hunter1909 says:

    Going out to buy milk – wish me luck.

  146. Munny says:

    hunter1909,

    Two and half hours later… still no one has heard from Hunter.

    #gotmilk

  147. hunter1909 says:

    Munny:
    hunter1909,

    Two and half hours later… still no one has heard from Hunter.

    #gotmilk

    Ha ha the store had 2% milk in large quantities, and mostly everything as normal then again but the prices are too high no one wants to clean out the shelves yet.

  148. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Damn, all Good Life Fitness’ closed effective immediately – thought I had one more day.

    So, the three things I care about for “me”:

    Sports
    Gym
    Travel

    All gone – blah!

    Yes, I’m being selfish but I’m allowed to be.

    You may resort to running in the grocery store 🙂

  149. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: $2.5-$3M doesn’t normally buy you a legit top 4 guy though.

    I think Holland/Tippett do want to sign him, and do view him as a potential top 4 option, at least as cover. I don’t think they EXPECT Green to play top 4 though. Probably 2RD-A and 2RD-B with Larsson. I think if they can swing it the Oilers RD will be Bear/Larsson/Green with Bouchard the first call.

    If Green signs in that range that’s a completely reasonable amount to spend on RD (pending Bear’s deal I guess). And at that price he’s and Larsson are good bets to cover 2RD/3RD minutes IMO.

    I agree with much of that (i.e. $3M doesn’t get you a legit top 4, etc.) and there are fair points.

    At the same time, I don’t think the Oilers’ cap situation lends itself to paying for a “back-up 2RD” at close to $3M. That would be a nice luxury to have but there are holes on the roster to fill (not back-up holes).

  150. Rickety Cricket says:

    My friend has been locked down in Hubei (in Wuhan) for 59 days. He was finally able to return to Chengdu (in Sichuan province) yesterday. Buckle up, it is going to be a long ride.

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