Middle of the Road

Ilya Konovalov is 21, and has posted two strong KHL seasons to my eye. Save percentages of .930 and .912. He has one more season on his Russian deal and could be in Edmonton’s camp as early as fall 2021. How good is he?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

  • New Lowetide: What are Tyler Benson’s chances of making the Oilers in 2020-21?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘They were looking outside the box’: Oilers’ distinctive third jerseys still stand out
  • Lowetide: If Oilers draft for skill, Seth Jarvis likely to be best available
  • Jonathan Willis and Lowetide: Should the Oilers pursue Taylor Hall this summer?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: The results are in: How you voted in our inaugural Oilers fan survey
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How the Oilers are preparing for an NHL draft in June
  • Jonathan Willis: How Gaetan Haas, Joakim Nygard and Riley Sheahan draw calls that lead to goals
  • James Mirtle: Ranking every NHL team’s salary cap situation, from best to worst
  • Lowetide: Can the Oilers find Connor McDavid’s ideal winger this summer?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: The two coaches who had the biggest influence on Dave Tippett
  • Jonathan Willis: The 5 reasons why the Oilers re-signed Gaetan Haas
  • Jonathan Willis: Can (and should) the Oilers trade Kris Russell?
  • Jonathan Willis: How Edmonton could have left 2010 draft with both Taylor Hall and Ryan Johansen
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s NHL comparables offer Oilers fans hope for the future
  • Lowetide: Top 20 prospect update: A lot of movement and some impressive graduations
  • Lowetide: Mavrik Bourque a quality option for the Oilers in the draft
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Inside the franchise-altering decision to pick Leon Draisaitl over Sam Bennett
  • Jonathan Willis and Lowetide: Discount forward options the Oilers could pursue in free agency
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Oh my God, Edmonton’s picking first’: An oral history of the 2015 NHL draft lottery
  • Lowetide: Why Jan Mysak could be a value pick for the Oilers at the 2020 Draft

ILYA KONOVALOV, KHL BY MONTH 2019-20

If you take out September (his team was changing coaches by the week), Konovalov posted a .915 save percentage. He had two poor months, and three good ones and a nice showing in limited minutes during January. The range of performance is interesting.

ILYA KONOVALOV, KHL BY MONTH 2018-19

This is his rookie KHL season, a .930 save percentage would draw attention if it was posted in the alley out back of his house. Some exceptional months in there, along with an .898 and an .865. I like this player. Maybe he’ll post a season in 2020-21 that will rival Mikko Koskinen.

MIKKO KOSKINEN, KHL BY MONTH 2017-18

The Koskinen season is the goal, with the exception of one February game the big goalie wandered between fine and excellent. That must be the goal, consistent numbers month after month. Tuukka Rask 2019-20, that kind of consistency, is the goal. Koskinen gave his team a chance to win most of the time in 2017-18.

FEELING A DRAFT?

Some time this week, the NHL will decide on the timing of the NHL draft. It’s going to happen based on the history of power struggles, appears general managers and staff are against it and the owners want it. If you play business card poker, you already know the answer to this equation.

Oilers fans are going to focus on the James Neal pick but I think the more interesting question surrounds who might be available to the club at No. 20 overall. Reading the tea leaves and talking to the industry, my belief is we’ll see some surprises. I think the top 20 might go like this:

  1. Detroit: L Alexis Lafreniere, QMJHL
  2. Ottawa: LC Quinton Byfield, OHL
  3. Ottawa: LC Tim Stuetzle, DEL. 
  4. Los Angeles: LC Marco Rossi, OHL
  5. Anaheim: LC Cole Perfetti, OHL
  6. New Jersey: RW Alexander Holtz, SHL
  7. Buffalo: RHD Jamie Drysdale, OHL
  8. Montreal:  RW Jack Quinn OHL
  9. Chicago: LD Jake Sanderson USHL
  10. New Jersey: LD Kaiden Guhle, WHL
  11. Minnesota: LW Lucas Raymond, SHL
  12. Winnipeg: LC Anton Lundell, Liiga
  13. NY Rangers: LW Dylan Holloway, Big 10
  14. Florida: RC Mavrik Bourque, QMJHL
  15. Columbus: LC Jan Mysak, OHL
  16. Calgary:  RC-RW Dawson Mercer, QMJHL
  17. New Jersey: G Yaroslav Askarov, VHL
  18. Nashville: LC Connor Zary, WHL
  19. Carolina: RW Noel Gunler, SHL
  20. Edmonton: RC Seth Jarvis, WHL

I wrote about Jarvis for The Athletic on Friday, got plenty of push back on the idea that he could fall to No. 20 and Edmonton. I’m not sure if he’ll fall or it will be Gunler, Zary or Mercer, but the Oilers are in a good spot in my opinion. If the goalie and three defensemen I’ve listed are off the board by the time Ken Holland marches toward the stage, the team will be getting a quality forward prospect. I think you should gird your loins for a trade down as well. Edmonton needs a pick between 32-100.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

I’m back baby, missed the show badly and will bring all the crazy at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Mark Edwards from HockeyProspect.com will be by to talk about an early June draft and what that means for his annual draft guide. It’s an amazing piece of work every year, can’t imagine the amount of work that goes into it. We’ll chat about the time line and the quality of the draft. Starting tonight, TSN1260 will run the 2014 Oil Kings Memorial Cup run, Corey Graham will pop in to chat about the memories and tonight’s broadcast. Jason Gregor from TSN1260 will pop in at 11 to talk NHL draft and the various leagues planning their seasons. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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179 Responses to "Middle of the Road"

  1. Harpers Hair says:

    SJS sign KHL goaltender Alexi Melnichuk.
    1.68 GAA .930 SV %.

  2. Brantford Boy says:

    May the 4th be with you!

    I immediately focused on Konovalov’s December 2019/20 SV% and thought oh no… then I saw his outstanding December’s SV% in previous years and thought, hmm… it was corrected… I guess we’ll see… Oilers goalie SV% in December’s past… good grief!

    Cheers!

  3. Brantford Boy says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Interesting… good to see I’m not the only Vancouver Island early riser today…

  4. Harpers Hair says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Harpers Hair,

    Interesting… good to see I’m not the only Vancouver Island early riser today…

    Looks like the Leafs hit the jackpot.

    49 points in 60 games is pretty impressive for a defenseman.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    One big thing to remember when comparing Koskinen’s numbers in the KHL his last year to Konovalov is a good 7-8 year age difference. Konovalov is in his second KHL season.

    What is interesting to note is that Konovalov’s KHL contract expires after this season, at the same time that the ELCs of Wells and Skinner expire.

    Holland will almost have a clean slate to decide which he wants to keep – at this point it’s trending to Kovovalov and Skinner over Wells but who knows in a year.

    Of course, Rodrigue is just turning pro this year and we don’t know if Holland is going to go veteran Smith/Griess/Dell or try and acquire a DeSmith or someone with a potential future.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m anxious to hear the result of the discussions of the Board of Governors “meeting” today.

    Shannon says no “vote” on the draft date is anticipated – I’m not sure that’s a straight up vote in any event.

    ————-

    I’m anticipating we will have clarity on draft date this week and some guidance on “back to work” protocols with an end-date for the mandatory player quarantine and potentially some dates for facilities to open (subject to local health requirements) and even potentially a soft training camp report date – which will include players needing to get back from other countries and do their 14 days, if applicable.

  7. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I’m anxious to hear the result of the discussions of the Board of Governors “meeting” today.

    Shannon says no “vote” on the draft date is anticipated – I’m not sure that’s a straight up vote in any event.

    ————-

    I’m anticipating we will have clarity on draft date this week and some guidance on “back to work” protocols with an end-date for the mandatory player quarantine and potentially some dates for facilities to open (subject to local health requirements) and even potentially a soft training camp report date – which will include players needing to get back from other countries and do their 14 days, if applicable.

    No vote is required.

  8. doritogrande says:

    That’s a long way for Drysdale to fall. IMO, he doesn’t make it past Anaheim (but I’m assuming LA actually takes him) but Buffalo? You’d think they would have enough impact defensive depth with Dahlin. Was your selection there a nod towards “too good of a value to pass up” rather than positional need?

  9. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Looks like the Leafs hit the jackpot.

    49 points in 60 games is pretty impressive for a defenseman.

    Yes, but can he defend? The Leafs hardly need more offense.

  10. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: Yes, but can he defend? The Leafs hardly need more offense.

    One would have to think so given his all star resume.

    More:https://theleafsnation.com/2020/05/04/the-leafs-sign-top-scoring-khl-defenceman-mikko-lehtonen/

    Michael Traikos
    @Michael_Traikos
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    2m
    Jokerit dir. of player personnel on Mikko Lehtonen: “I think his style fits well for Toronto. Torey Krug is a good comparison. He runs the power play well and gets pucks to the net with a good wrist shot. He was the best player in Europe, IMO. He’s ready to play in the NHL.”

  11. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Why is there a rush to have the draft in June?

    IF this season’s cup is awarded in September or October what harm is there in having the draft in November just before the supposed NHL season startup next December?

  12. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: One would have to think so given his all star resume.

    More:https://theleafsnation.com/2020/05/04/the-leafs-sign-top-scoring-khl-defenceman-mikko-lehtonen/

    “He’s not a defensive stud but he plays an NHL level two-way game already… Most likely he’ll start on the bottom pair and play on the second power play unit…”

    Interesting. Nice player for $925K for sure. But I’m not sure he moves the needle much in terms of what the Leafs so desperately need – a defensive stud.

  13. Harpers Hair says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Why is there a rush to have the draft in June?

    IF this season’s cup is awarded in September or October what harm is there in having the draft in November just before the supposed NHL season startup next December?

    Follow the money.

    Both Sportsnet and NBC are pushing hard for the draft now because they need content.

  14. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Follow the money.

    Both Sportsnet and NBC are pushing hard for the draft now because they need content.

    As it ever was.

    I would assume that the June draft is part of the trade off and negotiation over lost games, sponsorships, etc. The league is buying its way out of more difficult compromises.

  15. godot10 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Why is there a rush to have the draft in June?

    IF this season’s cup is awarded in September or October what harm is there in having the draft in November just before the supposed NHL season startup next December?

    As a favour to the NHL’s broadcast rights partners. Who are desperate for content, and can use the draft to keep fans from forgetting that hockey exists.

  16. godot10 says:

    godot10: As a favour to the NHL’s broadcast rights partners.Who are desperate for content, and can use the draft to keep fans from forgetting that hockey exists.

    Also, the last US federal election clobbered sports ratings, even the NFL.

    And this one should crater sports ratings even more than the last one.

    So you want to move events out of September and October in the United States.

  17. Darth Tu says:

    ArmchairGM: “He’s not a defensive stud but he plays an NHL level two-way game already… Most likely he’ll start on the bottom pair and play on the second power play unit…”

    Interesting. Nice player for $925K for sure. But I’m not sure he moves the needle much in terms of what the Leafs so desperately need – a defensive stud.

    Could lead to the Leafs being able to move out one of their other more expensive offensive D options at least. Get some picks back and some cap space.

    Not that I want the Leafs to do well ever.

  18. Darth Tu says:

    godot10: As a favour to the NHL’s broadcast rights partners.Who are desperate for content, and can use the draft to keep fans from forgetting that hockey exists.

    Yeah, the NFL draft did draw a lot of interest. NHL is hoping for the same thing.

  19. Bruce McCurdy says:

    Harpers Hair: Follow the money.

    Both Sportsnet and NBC are pushing hard for the draft now because they need content.

    I’d heard the league office is keener on a June draft than the individual teams are, & this explanation makes perfect sense.

  20. Darth Tu says:

    doritogrande:
    That’s a long way for Drysdale to fall. IMO, he doesn’t make it past Anaheim (but I’m assuming LA actually takes him) but Buffalo? You’d think they would have enough impact defensive depth with Dahlin. Was your selection there a nod towards “too good of a value to pass up” rather than positional need?

    I could almost see Ottawa going with a forward for their first pick, then either trading down, or if they’re not getting “fair” value for their second pick, straight up using that to grab the top D man available. Especially as Drysdale is a right shot.

    Stuetzle sounds like a heck of a prospect though, so the trade down thing seems more likely.

  21. tileguy says:

    godot10: Also, the last US federal election clobbered sports ratings, even the NFL.

    And this one should crater sports ratings even more than the last one.

    So you want to move events out of September and October in the United States.

    Interesting, civil war?

  22. defmn says:

    Darth Tu: Could lead to the Leafs being able to move out one of their other more expensive offensive D options at least. Get some picks back and some cap space.

    Not that I want the Leafs to do well ever.

    Ceci & Barrie are both UFA. If they let both of them walk that right side looks more than a little suspect.

  23. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn: Ceci & Barrie are both UFA. If they let both of them walk that right side looks more than a little suspect.

    Same as it always was.

  24. RonnieB says:

    Darth Tu: Could lead to the Leafs being able to move out one of their other more expensive offensive D options at least. Get some picks back and some cap space.

    Reilly and Muzzin are the Leafs only “expensive” D and I doubt that the Leafs would be interested in trading either of them for draft picks.

  25. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM: Same as it always was.

    Toronto is my nominee for ‘most out of balance’ in the league while still having a pretty good team.

    I drone on and on here about how it is not the GM’s job to collect good players but to assemble a good team and while I know there is considerable overlap in those two ideas the Leafs are the poster boys for demonstrating the difference.

  26. Munny says:

    RonnieB,

    Ceci collects a hefty pay cheque for what he brings.

  27. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Toronto is my nominee for ‘most out of balance’ in the league while still having a pretty good team.

    I drone on and on here about how it is not the GM’s job to collect good players but to assemble a good team and while I know there is considerable overlap in those two ideas the Leafs are the poster boys for demonstrating the difference.

    One would have to assume Dubas has a plan to fix the right side of his D but I sure can’t see it from here.

  28. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny:
    RonnieB,

    Ceci collects a hefty pay cheque for what he brings.

    He’s a UFA.

  29. Munny says:

    Brantford Boy: May the 4th be with you!

    Lol… I’ve got a really bad feeling about this.

    #decadeofdarkenss
    #becauseoilers
    #dallasdeathstars

  30. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: He’s a UFA.

    Yes, the Lehtonen signing allows them to pass on re-upping an expensive contract and allowing it to walk; as was the OP’s original point, I believe.

  31. RonnieB says:

    Munny: Ceci collects a hefty pay cheque for what he brings.

    Ceci and Barrie are not signed for next year so they don’t fit the subject matter of this discussion (salary dumps for draft picks).

  32. defmn says:

    RonnieB: Reilly and Muzzin are the Leafs only “expensive” D and I doubt that the Leafs would be interested in trading either of them for draft picks.

    The Leafs have $40,489,366 tied up in Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander or just over 50% of what is the likely cap for next season. That leaves less than half the money for the other 19 players plus injury relief.

    Dubas really needed the cap to go up this summer and it doesn’t look like it is going to.

  33. defmn says:

    Munny: Yes, the Lehtonen signing allows them to pass on re-upping an expensive contract and allowing it to walk; as was the OP’s original point, I believe.

    Only if one of the lefties can play on the right side.

  34. Munny says:

    defmn,

    Lol, well it’s not like the Leafs haven’t been there before…

  35. Oil2Oilers says:

    Three small trades for Holland to rule the summer;

    Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for their 2nd round pick.
    – Ottawa get two players that can play now while waiting on their 3
    1st and 3 other 2nds to develop.
    – Oilers get something out of their shameful waste of Puljujarvi and
    cap room

    Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kerfoot
    – Toronto get a puck moving RHD who’s new contract will likely be
    1M less per season than Kerfoot. They are starved for Cap room
    and picks
    – Oilers get a 3d line center that can play up the line up in the heart of
    their career

    Russell to Dallas for Cogliano
    – Dallas gets a Cowboy
    – Oilers gets a vet utility player that can P.K.

    Regardless of unknown Cap and buyout rules the above trades are lightly cap positive and only leave a small hole in RHD depth, that can be filled with a Mike Green signing. Which is likely to happen anyway and forces Bouchard to make the team instead of being gifted a spot.

    Oilers end up with a high 2nd round pick, a unicorn Center and a faster utility vet.

  36. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: One would have to assume Dubas has a plan to fix the right side of his D but I sure can’t see it from here.

    LA drafts Jamie Drysdale, then trades Doughty for Nylander (LA probably has to take a contract with some dollars on it in addition.)

    OR

    Pieterangelo

  37. godot10 says:

    The June draft really hurts they Oilers because Holland was probably hoping to trade more than just Puljujarvi for picks.

  38. godot10 says:

    TSN had to really rig the rules of their all-time teams to get Captain Underpants a spot on the Toronto roster. TSN has made themselves look like fools with this feature.

    Captain Underpants needed a quota to get on the Toronto team.

    And then cheat multiple time by using Dave Keon as a checking centre, when they disallowed Messier as a checking centre.

  39. Munny says:

    RonnieB,

    The original statement by Darth Tu was “move out”.

    Now in a typical year, even Ceci or Barrie could be moved for picks prior to UFA, if however unlikely that scenario is.

    But if The Count gets his way, then no one on any team will be moved for picks from This Draft. whether they are pending UFAs or not.

  40. Munny says:

    What happens if a player/agent insists his contract terminates July 1, 12:01 am… as is stipulated in the contract?

  41. pts2pndr says:

    Munny: Yes, the Lehtonen signing allows them to pass on re-upping an expensive contract and allowing it to walk; as was the OP’s original point, I believe.

    I believe it was DarthTu that mentioned the Leafs could move a couple of expensive D for draft choices.

  42. Harpers Hair says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Three small trades for Holland to rule the summer;

    Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for their 2nd round pick. – Ottawa get two players that can play now while waiting on their 3 1st and 3 other 2nds to develop. – Oilers get something out of their shameful waste of Puljujarvi and cap room

    Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kerfoot– Toronto get a puck moving RHD who’s new contract will likely be1M less per season than Kerfoot. They are starved for Cap room and picks – Oilers get a 3d line center that can play up the line up in the heart of their career

    Russell to Dallas for Cogliano – Dallas gets a Cowboy – Oilers gets a vet utility player that can P.K.

    Regardless of unknown Cap and buyout rules the above trades are lightly cap positive and only leave a small hole in RHD depth, that can be filled with a Mike Green signing. Which is likely to happen anyway and forces Bouchard to make the team instead of being gifted a spot.

    Oilers end up with a high 2nd round pick, a unicorn Center and a faster utility vet.

    Dallas needs Russell like a fish needs a bicycle.

    Heiskanen

    Lindell

    Oleksiak

    Sekera.

  43. Harpers Hair says:

    One viable option for the Leafs would be hometown boy Chris Tanev if he’s willing to sign a value contract.

  44. RonnieB says:

    pts2pndr: I believe it was DarthTu that mentioned the Leafs could move a couple of expensive D for draft choices.

    Yes, and that’s what I was responding to. Thanks. Munny seems to be trying to read something different into those words.

  45. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10: LA drafts Jamie Drysdale, then trades Doughty for Nylander (LA probably has to take a contract with some dollars on it in addition.)

    OR

    Pieterangelo

    How do you see them fitting him into their lineup.

    Speculation is he will get 8+ M on a new contract.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jake Kulevich signed to an AHL deal.

    Sammy/Bouchad
    Lennstrom/XXXXX
    Niemalainen/Kulevich (Deharnais)

    Day in the mix if they want to re-sign him.

    Kulevich is a leftie but I think he played some right side last year – could stand to be corrected on that one.

    I’m not sure if Vinny Deharnais’ AHL deal was a one year or two year – that is, not sure if he’s under contract for next season.

  47. Munny says:

    RonnieB: Yes, and that’s what I was responding to. Thanks. Munny seems to be trying to read something different into those words.

    I’m just taking DarthTu at his most general point… that the Leafs need to move on from some salary.

    Considering the talk today is about an early June draft, trading for its picks–which the Leafs need this draft–is largely a moot point.

    Whereas, needing to move some salary will continue to be a significant part of the Leafs off-season, regardless. Do they re-sign Ceci, or Barrie? Or do they move on, and attempt to trade their rights (if there’s an off-season space where they can do so).

    But please, y’all, be as pedantic on this issue as you see fit, lol.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: No vote is required.

    There have been conflicting reports on this.

    Either way, I’ve resigned to the fact that this is going to happen.

    I hate the idea of the June draft – i get it – in particular since they want to get some good faith with the networks but taking away active player trades is disappointing – I guess those that wanted to see Khaira or Benning traded for picks won’t be happy.

    Jesse could still move for picks/prospects/combo.

  49. jtblack says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Three small trades for Holland to rule the summer;

    Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for their 2nd round pick. – Ottawa get two players that can play now while waiting on their 3 1st and 3 other 2nds to develop. – Oilers get something out of their shameful waste of Puljujarvi and cap room

    Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kerfoot– Toronto get a puck moving RHD who’s new contract will likely be1M less per season than Kerfoot. They are starved for Cap room and picks – Oilers get a 3d line center that can play up the line up in the heart of their career

    Russell to Dallas for Cogliano – Dallas gets a Cowboy – Oilers gets a vet utility player that can P.K.

    Regardless of unknown Cap and buyout rules the above trades are lightly cap positive and only leave a small hole in RHD depth, that can be filled with a Mike Green signing. Which is likely to happen anyway and forces Bouchard to make the team instead of being gifted a spot.

    Oilers end up with a high 2nd round pick, a unicorn Center and a faster utility vet.

    +1. If he can pull that off, I would be VERY Happy !

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Why is there a rush to have the draft in June?

    IF this season’s cup is awarded in September or October what harm is there in having the draft in November just before the supposed NHL season startup next December?

    I think the rush is to appease Rogers and NBC and keep some goodwill with the networks who are going to have leverage over the NHL with regard to existing agreements.

    Of course, a draft in June will have some increased viewership but if the networks are expecting a bump similar to what they saw with the NFL draft this year, I think they will be disappointed – its an entirely different animal.

  51. Harpers Hair says:

    So, on tonight’s menu…Pork Chops with Bacon Marmalade.

    Bacon Marmalade has been a favourite of ours for many years and we’ve adapted the original a bit.

    Prepare the pork chops in any preferred fashion.

    Ingredients:

    1 lb. thick cut bacon

    2 extra large sweet onions, quartered and thickly sliced

    1 apple thinly sliced

    1/2 cup brown sugar

    1/2 cup strong brewed coffee

    1 tablespoon balsamic vinegar

    A lash of Nando’s Piri Piri sauce (or other) to taste

    Preparation.

    Cut the bacon into half-inch slices and add them to a large frying pan. Don’t worry if the bacon pieces stick together, they will come apart as they cook. Cook over medium-high heat for about 10 minutes, stirring frequently until the bacon is cooked but still quite chewy.

    Using a slotted spoon remove the bacon from the pan and set aside. Pour out all but 1 tablespoon of the bacon drippings and reserve for another use.

    Add the onions and apple to the pan and cook for about 8-10 minutes then reduce the heat to low.

    Add the sugar and stir. Continue to cook until the onions have caramelized, about 20 minutes.

    Add the coffee, 1/2 cup of water and the reserved bacon and increase the heat to medium. Continue to cook, stirring about every five minutes, until the onions are thick and jam-like, about 30 minutes.

    Remove from heat and stir in the balsamic and hot sauce.

    Taste for seasoning and salt if necessary.

    Serve over pork chops and keep the remainder in the fridge. It is excellent with crackers or heated on baked brie.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid was on Spittin’ Chiclets (as I mentioned last night). Haven’t watched/listened yet but this clip is great – mentions Drai being the best passer he’s ever seen and references “gets his big ass out and holds guys off”

    https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/1257303771195072513

  53. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: There have been conflicting reports on this.

    Either way, I’ve resigned to the fact that this is going to happen.

    I hate the idea of the June draft – i get it – in particular since they want to get some good faith with the networks but taking away active player trades is disappointing – I guess those that wanted to see Khaira or Benning traded for picks won’t be happy.

    Jesse could still move for picks/prospects/combo.

    Pierre LeBrun says no.

    https://theathletic.com/1792188/2020/05/04/lebrun-why-its-time-to-get-ready-for-a-june-draft/

  54. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jake Kulevich signed to an AHL deal.

    Sammy/Bouchad
    Lennstrom/XXXXX
    Niemalainen/Kulevich (Deharnais)

    Day in the mix if they want to re-sign him.

    Kulevich is a leftie but I think he played some right side last year – could stand to be corrected on that one.

    I’m not sure if Vinny Deharnais’ AHL deal was a one year or two year – that is, not sure if he’s under contract for next season.

    According to Puck Pedia Desharnais is not yet signed for next season.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    McDavid has been travelling across country in an RV – asked why – mentioned to avoid airports and planes on his way back to Ontario but also he “just finished building a place in Edmonton so trying to save a few bucks – don’t know when the next paycheque is coming”.

    Connor can be funny when he’s not getting bombarded by the MSM.

  56. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: Pierre LeBrun says no.

    https://theathletic.com/1792188/2020/05/04/lebrun-why-its-time-to-get-ready-for-a-june-draft/

    Then other than building some consensus today, I imagine it is largely a done deal.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    RonnieB: According to Puck Pedia Desharnais is not yet signed for next season.

    I don’t think Puckpedia has AHL only contracts though – does it?

  58. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: There have been conflicting reports on this.

    Either way, I’ve resigned to the fact that this is going to happen.

    I hate the idea of the June draft – i get it – in particular since they want to get some good faith with the networks but taking away active player trades is disappointing – I guess those that wanted to see Khaira or Benning traded for picks won’t be happy.

    Jesse could still move for picks/prospects/combo.

    I’d prefer the draft after the season so those Puljujarvi/Benning trades can happen as well. One positive of having the draft earlier though is the Oilers likely get to keep (at least for this year) the 3rd and 4th round picks that would be going out for Neal and Green. They may have to give them up eventually but making those picks this year is better than waiting a year.

  59. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Jake Kulevich signed to an AHL deal.

    Sammy/Bouchad
    Lennstrom/XXXXX
    Niemalainen/Kulevich (Deharnais)

    Day in the mix if they want to re-sign him.

    Kulevich is a leftie but I think he played some right side last year – could stand to be corrected on that one.

    I’m not sure if Vinny Deharnais’ AHL deal was a one year or two year – that is, not sure if he’s under contract for next season.

    It was 2 yrs so he’s still in the conversation.

    https://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/desh/

  60. Harpers Hair says:

    It’s highly likely there will be no AHL season until fans can be in the stands which I think is highly unlikely in places like Syracuse, Rochester, Utica, Binghampton for example.

    The league is almost entirely gate driven and unless the NHL parent clubs want to foot the bill, which I doubt under the circumstances, the AHL would haemorrhage money and would be better off just closing up shop until things return to normal.

    I have seen a couple of people suggest that some AHL teams could combine rosters and play in arenas that allow fans but that is far from ideal for many reasons.

  61. duct tape and foil says:

    The logical scenario for the Neal pick is to roll it over to the next year depending on how the regular season finishes. I don’t let Neal anywhere near the PP or McDavid for the last number of games, and he sits unless he is absolutely needed if he pops #20. Chaser can fill his role just fine. Neal obviously wants #20 but I don’t think he will mind screwing CGY over one little bit by not getting #21.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    Board of Governors’ call is happening right now – started at 1pm (mountain).

  63. RonnieB says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think Puckpedia has AHL only contracts though – does it?

    Good catch.
    Bakersfield transactions history shows he signed a 2 year AHL contract in July, 2019.

  64. Darth Tu says:

    RonnieB: Reilly and Muzzin are the Leafs only “expensive” D and I doubt that the Leafs would be interested in trading either of them for draft picks.

    True. I keep thinking they have Barrie as well.

  65. defmn says:

    Munny:
    What happens if a player/agent insists his contract terminates July 1, 12:01 am… as is stipulated in the contract?

    Good question. I would assume that is one area where the PA has to be involved and you would hope self interest would lead to a reasonable solution.

    Not that ‘reason’ is a fool proof guide as to what somebody will do.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: As it ever was.

    I would assume that the June draft is part of the trade off and negotiation over lost games, sponsorships, etc. The league is buying its way out of more difficult compromises.

    Absolutely its about money and, yes, you could very well be correct that its directly part of negotiations with respect to restructuring existing obligations under contracts with their networks but, at the very least, it would be providing goodwill towards future negotiations.

    From a fan standpoint, I absolutely hate it but, at the same time, I totally get it. Some (many) will feel that being just “about the money” is a negative thing and I get that as well but, at the same time, that is damn important and “the money” will effect the game and our experience as fans in the short/medium term.

    Relationships with the networks (and “the money”) will effect revenues in a significant way in the short term which will have implications on the cap in the short and medium term, back to play parameters, etc.

  67. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: How do you see them fitting him into their lineup.

    Speculation is he will get 8+ M on a new contract.

    Ceci and Barrie out…PIeterangelo in.

  68. jp says:

    defmn: The Leafs have $40,489,366 tied up in Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander or just over 50% of what is the likely cap for next season. That leaves less than half the money for the other 19 players plus injury relief.
    Dubas really needed the cap to go up this summer and it doesn’t look like it is going to.

    Lordy the Leafs are in a world of hurt as regards the cap next season. I knew it was bad but wow.

    They’re at $81.23M without touching the RFAs (in brackets below), meaning 6 lineup spots left to fill.

    Johnson-Matthews-Nylander
    Hyman-Tavares-Marner
    Engvall-Kerfoot-Kapanen
    (Mikheyev)-(Gauthier)-(Malgin)
    xxx-xxx

    Rielly-Muzzin
    Lehtonen-Holl
    Marincin/Sandin
    (Dermott)
    (Holl is the only righty)

    Andersen-Campbell

    Someone HAS to go if the league stops allowing them to circumvent the cap using LTIR acquisitions (or ownership stops forking out the $$ to do it).

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: Yeah, the NFL draft did draw a lot of interest. NHL is hoping for the same thing.

    I’m sure there will be some definite interest but I don’t think it will come close to the spike we saw for the NFL – they are simply different animals.

    For one – the NFL draft is full of players that will impact the league in the coming season – the NHL draft will include a handful of players that will play in the coming season, maybe not even a full handfull

    For another – the NFL players being drafted are “known players” – they are coming from the massively watched college football. Yes, the diehards will know some of the CHL players but these kids are not even close to as “known” as the college football kids.

    Shit, even being starved for content, the draft, without active player trades, may be less watched than a normal draft.

  70. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Lordy the Leafs are in a world of hurt as regards the cap next season. I knew it was bad but wow.

    They’re at $81.23M without touching the RFAs (in brackets below), meaning 6 lineup spots left to fill.

    Johnson-Matthews-Nylander
    Hyman-Tavares-Marner
    Engvall-Kerfoot-Kapanen
    (Mikheyev)-(Gauthier)-(Malgin)
    xxx-xxx

    Rielly-Muzzin
    Lehtonen-Holl
    Marincin/Sandin
    (Dermott)
    (Holl is the only righty)

    Andersen-Campbell

    Someone HAS to go if the league stops allowing them to circumvent the cap using LTIR acquisitions (or ownership stops forking out the $$ to do it).

    Liljgren is a righty and NHL ready.

  71. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Liljgren is a righty and NHL ready.

    Yeah, could be. Now they’re 600k over the cap and they need to walk Dermott. Something’s gotta give.

  72. defmn says:

    jp: Lordy the Leafs are in a world of hurt as regards the cap next season. I knew it was bad but wow.

    They’re at $81.23M without touching the RFAs (in brackets below), meaning 6 lineup spots left to fill.

    Johnson-Matthews-Nylander
    Hyman-Tavares-Marner
    Engvall-Kerfoot-Kapanen
    (Mikheyev)-(Gauthier)-(Malgin)
    xxx-xxx

    Rielly-Muzzin
    Lehtonen-Holl
    Marincin/Sandin
    (Dermott)
    (Holl is the only righty)

    Andersen-Campbell

    Someone HAS to go if the league stops allowing them to circumvent the cap using LTIR acquisitions (or ownership stops forking out the $$ to do it).

    I have them at $75,408,533 missing Mikheyyev, Gauthier and Malgin, Dermott as RFA’s and Spezza, Clifford, Barrie and Ceci as UFA’s from this years roster.

    It’s a mountain to climb.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Three small trades for Holland to rule the summer;

    Puljujarvi + Chiason to Ottawa for their 2nd round pick. – Ottawa get two players that can play now while waiting on their 3 1st and 3 other 2nds to develop. – Oilers get something out of their shameful waste of Puljujarvi and cap room

    Benning + found money 3d to Toronto for Kerfoot– Toronto get a puck moving RHD who’s new contract will likely be1M less per season than Kerfoot. They are starved for Cap room and picks – Oilers get a 3d line center that can play up the line up in the heart of their career

    Russell to Dallas for Cogliano – Dallas gets a Cowboy – Oilers gets a vet utility player that can P.K.

    Regardless of unknown Cap and buyout rules the above trades are lightly cap positive and only leave a small hole in RHD depth, that can be filled with a Mike Green signing. Which is likely to happen anyway and forces Bouchard to make the team instead of being gifted a spot.

    Oilers end up with a high 2nd round pick, a unicorn Center and a faster utility vet.

    The first two trades won’t be available assuming they proceeds with the much-talked about early June draft.

  74. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Yeah, could be. Now they’re 600k over the cap and they need to walk Dermott. Something’s gotta give.

    Moving Kapanen and his $3.25 million is the obvious one.

  75. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m sure there will be some definite interest but I don’t think it will come close to the spike we saw for the NFL – they are simply different animals.

    For one – the NFL draft is full of players that will impact the league in the coming season – the NHL draft will include a handful of players that will play in the coming season, maybe not even a full handfull

    For another – the NFL players being drafted are “known players” – they are coming from the massively watched college football.Yes, the diehards will know some of the CHL players but these kids are not even close to as “known” as the college football kids.

    Shit, even being starved for content, the draft, without active player trades, may be less watched than a normal draft.

    It does make me wonder if we would be better bumping the drat age for players to something a little further out, say 20?

  76. defmn says:

    Darth Tu: It does make me wonder if we would be better bumping the drat age for players to something a little further out, say 20?

    I don’t think that addresses the concerns of the rights holders which, imo, is what is driving this issue at the moment.

  77. PennersPancakes says:

    Harpers Hair: It’s highly likely there will be no AHL season until fans can be in the stands which I think is highly unlikely in places like Syracuse, Rochester, Utica, Binghampton for example.

    Yikes, thats not good for the game. Something has to give. Obviously losing jobs and hockey is always a negative but the AHL is a damn fine development league. Between having tweeners for immediate call up and giving ex juniors players more development time that would be a huge blow to the league.

    I suppose these players could end up in some Euro leagues or even pushed for early deployment to the NHL but theres a lot of questions there. Maybe they increase the active roster size? Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  78. jp says:

    defmn: I have them at $75,408,533 missing Mikheyyev, Gauthier and Malgin, Dermott as RFA’s and Spezza, Clifford, Barrie and Ceci as UFA’s from this years roster.

    It’s a mountain to climb.

    My bad, I’m using Capfrindly and thought the Projected Cap Hit for next year didn’t include guys on LTIR right now (Johnsson). I also added Lehtonen to the roster from the minors. I still have them at $77.1M for 9F, 6D and 2G (Dermott, Mikheyev, Gauthier and Malgin as unsigned RFA).

    They need to add 6 bodies for about $4M. That GM gig seems tough.

  79. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Moving Kapanen and his $3.25 million is the obvious one.

    Yes, or Kerfoot or Johnsson.

    They’ll have to dump multiple of them, or move a bigger piece if they want to add a top 4 D though.

  80. jp says:

    PennersPancakes: Yikes, thats not good for the game. Something has to give. Obviously losing jobs and hockey is always a negative but the AHL is a damn fine development league. Between having tweeners for immediate call up and giving ex juniors players more development time that would be a huge blow to the league.

    I suppose these players could end up in some Euro leagues or even pushed for early deployment to the NHL but theres a lot of questions there. Maybe they increase the active roster size? Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

    I guess it’s possible NHL teams/owners won’t ante up to support the AHL but it seems very unlikely to me. NHL clubs would have a pretty strong interest in having their draft picks continue to develop and have their call-ups actually playing hockey, I’d think.

  81. defmn says:

    jp: Yes, or Kerfoot or Johnsson.

    They’ll have to dump multiple of them, or move a bigger piece if they want to add a top 4 D though.

    I think Nylander might be the one to go.

  82. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m anticipating we will have clarity on draft date this week and some guidance on “back to work” protocols with an end-date for the mandatory player quarantine and potentially some dates for facilities to open (subject to local health requirements) and even potentially a soft training camp report date – which will include players needing to get back from other countries and do their 14 days, if applicable.

    I think the resuming season or playoffs will drift for a while longer until PA has a very strong consensus or throws their hands up. Outside of a bubble would be likely halt with first player case. Only bubble scenario I can see getting to a high consensus is an option for family to start inside bubbles and first few rounds shortened. Most likely this drifts and then fades away.

    Also if they scrap something together I think it will all be in one country. Canada’s current position is 2 weeks more quarantine if you cross the border and that’s a gov’t risk on either side of the border that you’d expect to preclude scheduling border crossings mid-playoffs.

  83. PennersPancakes says:

    jp: I guess it’s possible NHL teams/owners won’t ante up to support the AHL but it seems very unlikely to me. NHL clubs would have a pretty strong interest in having their draft picks continue to develop and have their call-ups actually playing hockey, I’d think.

    Yeah after thinking about it a bit more, they might just have to bite the bullet and take the financial loss. Wonder how big the bullet would be.

  84. defmn says:

    jp: I guess it’s possible NHL teams/owners won’t ante up to support the AHL but it seems very unlikely to me. NHL clubs would have a pretty strong interest in having their draft picks continue to develop and have their call-ups actually playing hockey, I’d think.

    Agreed. Not sure what an AHL budget looks like but it is probably under $5M minus buried salaries. I believe 19 of the 31 teams are owned by their NHL parent club. That still leaves 12 orphans that I am not sure about. That’s a lot of prospects to stuff onto 19 other teams. Maybe some cities allow them to play in front of fans. Maybe they mirror the NHL and push everything back to December.

    Maybe there is an end to this in sight.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/279677

  85. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pierre LeBrun
    @PierreVLeBrun
    ·
    7m
    No announcement expected today from the NHL regarding the draft.

  86. Darth Tu says:

    defmn: I don’t think that addresses the concerns of the rights holders which, imo, is what is driving this issue at the moment.

    Oh agreed, I was just thinking that for a player development side it would be nice to see players have an extra few years of “seasoning” before they go into the draft. Makes it a little less voodoo after the initial high end skill players, and you end up with guys other than the likes of Connor who can just walk into the league at 18 and perform.

  87. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Pierre LeBrun
    @PierreVLeBrun
    ·
    7m
    No announcement expected today from the NHL regarding the draft.

    I’m guessing there are tweaks that were asked for and will be investigated.

  88. jp says:

    defmn: I think Nylander might be the one to go.

    Yeah definitely possible.

    Dubas was trying to squeak through a lean year or two keeping the core together until the cap went up (Bettman projected $84-$88M 2 months ago today, ha!).

    I’m not sure they can keep that dream alive with a flat cap and uncertainty in its growth going forward.

  89. defmn says:

    Darth Tu: Oh agreed, I was just thinking that for a player development side it would be nice to see players have an extra few years of “seasoning” before they go into the draft.Makes it a little less voodoo after the initial high end skill players, and you end up with guys other than the likes of Connor who can just walk into the league at 18 and perform.

    I agree. I think the threat of a lawsuit pretty much precludes that though. That’s how they ended up at age 18 in the first place.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    The June draft really hurts they Oilers because Holland was probably hoping to trade more than just Puljujarvi for picks.

    Ya, he mentioned last week that he owes it to scouts to get them picks.

  91. defmn says:

    jp: Yeah definitely possible.

    Dubas was trying to squeak through a lean year or two keeping the core together until the cap went up (Bettman projected $84-$88M 2 months ago today, ha!).

    I’m not sure they can keep that dream alive with a flat cap and uncertainty in its growth going forward.

    Yup. If the cap had gone to $84M you could dump one of the $3M guys and maybe make it. Now? I’m not so sure but they always seem to find a way. Unlike many teams they really don’t have any buyout candidates though.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    TSN had to really rig the rules of their all-time teams to get Captain Underpants a spot on the Toronto roster.TSN has made themselves look like fools with this feature.

    Captain Underpants needed a quota to get on the Toronto team.

    And then cheat multiple time by using Dave Keon as a checking centre, when they disallowed Messier as a checking centre.

    I don’t think they disallowed Messier as a checking center did they? I’m not sure that was really proposed but they shot down Messier as a left winger (allowing Dougie Weight to get on the team).

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny:
    What happens if a player/agent insists his contract terminates July 1, 12:01 am… as is stipulated in the contract?

    This will be a decision made by the NHLPA, on behalf of the players.

  94. jp says:

    PennersPancakes: Yeah after thinking about it a bit more, they might just have to bite the bullet and take the financial loss. Wonder how big the bullet would be.

    I have no doubt they’d like to, though it is conceivable that not all teams would/could. And I have no idea how large the bullet.

  95. jp says:

    defmn: Yup. If the cap had gone to $84M you could dump one of the $3M guys and maybe make it. Now? I’m not so sure but they always seem to find a way. Unlike many teams they really don’t have any buyout candidates though.

    Yeah it pretty much has to be a trade. And the players in question are tradable. The only other way is the league allows them to keep adding LTIR in trades. Or maybe Pronger signs for $10M but never plays…

  96. Darth Tu says:

    defmn: I agree. I think the threat of a lawsuit pretty much precludes that though. That’s how they ended up at age 18 in the first place.

    Grumbles.

    All I want is better hockey. And less screwing up the draft (although we’re getting better at avoiding
    that, I think).

  97. defmn says:

    Darth Tu: Grumbles.

    All I want is better hockey. And less screwing up the draft (although we’re getting better at avoiding
    that, I think).

    Lawyers, eh? 😉

  98. Darth Tu says:

    defmn: Lawyers, eh?

    They’re certainly more annoying than geologists 😉

  99. jp says:

    defmn: Agreed. Not sure what an AHL budget looks like but it is probably under $5M minus buried salaries. I believe 19 of the 31 teams are owned by their NHL parent club. That still leaves 12 orphans that I am not sure about. That’s a lot of prospects to stuff onto 19 other teams. Maybe some cities allow them to play in front of fans. Maybe they mirror the NHL and push everything back to December.

    Maybe there is an end to this in sight.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/279677

    I didn’t realize only 19 of the teams were owned by NHL clubs. They’re all affiliated though so money could flow if NHL teams want access to a farm team.

    Sounds like next season is still 6 months out so a lot can happen. I expect a ton of treatments (like the antibodies you linked to, plus drugs and vaccines) will be popping up. We’ll just have to wait and see how effective they prove and how quickly and widely they become available. (and are countries going to share them?)

    And yeah, maybe the fans are in seats in the fall/winter. If those few reports out of NY (and parts of Boston) are true that 20ish percent of people there are already antibody carriers then we may be closer to herd immunity than we realize too.

  100. defmn says:

    jp: I didn’t realize only 19 of the teams were owned by NHL clubs. They’re all affiliated though so money could flow if NHL teams want access to a farm team.

    Sounds like next season is still 6 months out so a lot can happen. I expect a ton of treatments (like the antibodies you linked to, plus drugs and vaccines) will be popping up. We’ll just have to wait and see how effective they prove and how quickly and widely they become available. (and are countries going to share them?)

    And yeah, maybe the fans are in seats in the fall/winter. If those few reports out of NY (and parts of Boston) are true that 20ish percent of people there are already antibody carriers then we may be closer to herd immunity than we realize too.

    As the demographics of the death toll roll out I think those under 60, and definitely those under 50, are wondering if the costs of the lock down are worth it.

    This fall could have a completely different feel to it than how things are right now.

  101. ArmchairGM says:

    All this talk of Toronto’s roster got me thinking about our own. If the cap is flat and the league does not approve a CBO (likely), how difficult would it be to improve the roster?

    With only 1 trade, I made a roster that, while not perfect, represents I significant improvement over last summer’s creation (IMO). The trade was take from the Athletic article by Willis and LT: Russell to Ottawa for Gaborik + a pick. That’s it. Gaborik is then put on LTIR for the season. If someone can engineer a clean disposition of Russell I’m all for it, but I chose to go this route because I think it’s more conservative.

    Athanasiou ($3M) – McDavid – Kassian
    Nugent-Hopkins – Draisaitl – Yamamoto
    Nygard – Soderberg ($3.25M) – Chiasson
    Neal – Haas – Archibald
    Khaira

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Bear ($1.75M)
    Jones – Benning ($1.5M)
    Lagesson ($800K)

    Koskinen
    Khudobin ($3.25M)

    Pick your backup and 3C, these guys are my 1st choice and that’s my budget. If they (or any of the RFAs) can be signed for less than the amounts I have here that will allow the team to run a 23-man roster vs the 22 I have here. We’d need to find is another $100K minimum, since I have $600K in cap space still.

    One thing that should be pointed out is Benning’s QO is $2M and I’ve budgeted just $1.5M. I’ve seen it suggested elsewhere that since the emergence of Bear and the imminence of Bouchard’s arrival is putting pressure on Benning’s job security he might be willing to take the security of a 3 x $1.5M deal over a 1 x $2M deal. It makes some sense to me, but sure how he feels about it. Bottom line: $1.5M is about the limit of my 3RD budget.

    Is this an improvement on the 2019-20 opening day roster? Even if Holland prefers say Haula + Greiss, is it better?

  102. jp says:

    defmn: As the demographics of the death toll roll out I think those under 60, and definitely those under 50, are wondering if the costs of the lock down are worth it.

    This fall could have a completely different feel to it than how things are right now.

    Definitely agree.

    Many parts of America are moving towards relaxing, even in the face of 30,000 new cases per day. The curve has been flattened but numbers aren’t dropping yet. And isn’t Quebec going to open schools back up in a week or two?

  103. buck yoakam says:

    Harpers Hair,

    ok HH …we are eating your steak with parm cream sauce as I read this and I did substitute sesame oil from the original….very good lad!….we have leftover sauce ..any ideas?…we are all going to weigh twice as much before hockey starts again…good thing the players aren’t following our lead…thanks and keep them coming…your pork thing is seriously close to my pennsyvania dutch pork roast from the other night….anyhoo…Go Oilers!

  104. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Pierre LeBrun says no.

    https://theathletic.com/1792188/2020/05/04/lebrun-why-its-time-to-get-ready-for-a-june-draft/

    Yes, I had read that – as I said there were conflicting reports.

    I generally put quite a bit of faith in LeBrun so I’m confident that’s probably right.

    I believe that blog also stated that he was unsure of they needed the agreement of the NHLPA (I read it hours ago).

  105. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Definitely agree.

    Many parts of America are moving towards relaxing, even in the face of 30,000 new cases per day. The curve has been flattened but numbers aren’t dropping yet. And isn’t Quebec going to open schools back up in a week or two?

    Some interesting comments from BCs CMO today.

    First off…since BC has been so successful in flattening the curve, she can see a way for Vancouver to be a hub city for NHL playoffs in the late summer or fall.

    She also is voicing extreme caution about re-opening schools since students would be exposed to dozens of people a day and, although, young people don’t appear to be getting sick, they could be super spreaders when they return home.

    She also reported that Vancouver Island has recorded only 114 cases in three months with only 14 people in hospital and none in intensive care.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: It was 2 yrs so he’s still in the conversation.

    https://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/desh/

    Excellent – hope Vinny gets the full year in the AHL and earns himself an NHL deal next spring.

    Damn, there is a clear spot for Berglund but we will need to wait a year:

    Lennstrom/Bouchard
    Sammy/Jaks
    Niemellaine (Kulevich)/Deharnais

    Berglund at 2RD would be nice.

    Logan Day is a UFA.

    Damn, when Bouch gets the NHL call, that right side…..

  107. Harpers Hair says:

    buck yoakam:
    Harpers Hair,

    ok HH …we are eating your steak with parm cream sauce as I read this and I did substitute sesame oil from the original….very good lad!….we have leftover sauce ..any ideas?…we are all going to weigh twice as much before hockey starts again…good thing the players aren’t following our lead…thanks and keep them coming…your pork thing is seriously close to my pennsyvania dutch pork roast from the other night….anyhoo…Go Oilers!

    Happy to hear that.

    We used our leftovers on chicken last night.

    You could also use it as a decadent pasta sauce.

  108. defmn says:

    jp: Definitely agree.

    Many parts of America are moving towards relaxing, even in the face of 30,000 new cases per day. The curve has been flattened but numbers aren’t dropping yet. And isn’t Quebec going to open schools back up in a week or two?

    That’s what I hear from my wife who has good friends in the eastern Townships.

    I totally understand the ‘shotgun’ approach to the original news of the epidemic as nobody really knew anything about it but I would say it is time to start moving to more accurate targeting now that we have more evidence to work with.

  109. RonnieB says:

    jp: defmn: As the demographics of the death toll roll out I think those under 60, and definitely those under 50, are wondering if the costs of the lock down are worth it.
    This fall could have a completely different feel to it than how things are right now.

    Definitely agree.
    Many parts of America are moving towards relaxing, even in the face of 30,000 new cases per day. The curve has been flattened but numbers aren’t dropping yet. And isn’t Quebec going to open schools back up in a week or two?

    (Quot

    Just for a thought exercise and not intended to offend you but it sounds simple until it’s your own family circle involved. Hypothetically, what monetary value would you ascribe to the lives of your parents/grandparents/older siblings ? That’s the other side of the equation.

  110. Klima's_Bucket says:

    godot10: Ceci and Barrie out…PIeterangelo in.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but is Pietrangelo worth that?

    To my eye, Parayko is the top right side guy in St. Louis and Pietrangelo plays the softer comp.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    It’s highly likely there will be no AHL season until fans can be in the stands which I think is highly unlikely in places like Syracuse, Rochester, Utica, Binghampton for example.

    The league is almost entirely gate driven and unless the NHL parent clubs want to foot the bill, which I doubt under the circumstances, the AHL would haemorrhage money and would be better off just closing up shop until things return to normal.

    I have seen a couple of people suggest that some AHL teams could combine rosters and play in arenas that allow fans but that is far from ideal for many reasons.

    The NHL will want to delay the start of next season for as long as possible to give a chance for there to generally be allowed fans in the stands – I think a December start is likely/preferred as it gives that chance and they can still get 82 games and a full playoffs before the Olympics.

    Of course, this gives as much a chance as possible for the AHL to be able to follow suit with fans in the stands.

    We are talking 7 months from now so, while no sure thing, its definitely possible.

    To the extent the NHL starts and the AHL doesn’t, they’ll need to agree to massively expanded “rosters” without cap implications, etc. – I would think.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    The logical scenario for the Neal pick is to roll it over to the next year depending on how the regular season finishes. I don’t let Neal anywhere near the PP or McDavid for the last number of games, and he sits unless he is absolutely needed if he pops #20. Chaser can fill his role just fine. Neal obviously wants #20 but I don’t think he will mind screwing CGY over one little bit by not getting #21.

    I’m not sure the league would look fondly upon that – the player is healthy, a 20 goal scorer and it would be fairly clear why he’s being sat.

    The NHLPA may not be so happy either.

    Shit, the player himself may garner resentments from that action as well.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Good question. I would assume that is one area where the PA has to be involved and you would hope self interest would lead to a reasonable solution.

    Not that ‘reason’ is a fool proof guide as to what somebody will do.

    I would think that the “Back to Work” proposal agreed to be Fehr, with the help of the Back to Play committee, would be voted on by the NHLPA – it would obviously include an extension of current contracts.

    Just like the NHLPA agreeing to the CBA on a whole, the individual’s with dissenting votes will get “dragged along”.

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Darth Tu: It does make me wonder if we would be better bumping the drat age for players to something a little further out, say 20?

    I think moving the draft age up has been a topic of significant conversation recently and its likely to happen to 19 at some point in the near future – I think 20 is a bit much.

    I would think it would be done in stages – changing the age cut off a few months at a time over a few years and I think this is probably implemented in connection with the new CBA in a few years.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:
  116. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think moving the draft age up has been a topic of significant conversation recently and its likely to happen to 19 at some point in the near future – I think 20 is a bit much.

    I would think it would be done in stages – changing the age cut off a few months at a time over a few years and I think this is probably implemented in connection with the new CBA in a few years.

    There have already been legal decisions that 18 year old players are adults and must be able to sign pro contracts.

    Can’t see that changing any time soon.

  117. Harpers Hair says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Correct me if I’m wrong, but is Pietrangelo worth that?

    To my eye, Parayko is the top right side guy in St. Louis and Pietrangelo plays the softer comp.

    Some teams have more than one #1D.

    Pieterangelo had 52 points in 69 games when the season was suspended.

    He would be #1RD on about 29 other teams.

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: The NHL will want to delay the start of next season for as long as possible to give a chance for there to generally be allowed fans in the stands – I think a December start is likely/preferred as it gives that chance and they can still get 82 games and a full playoffs before the Olympics.

    Of course, this gives as much a chance as possible for the AHL to be able to follow suit with fans in the stands.

    We are talking 7 months from now so, while no sure thing, its definitely possible.

    To the extent the NHL starts and the AHL doesn’t, they’ll need to agree to massively expanded “rosters” without cap implications, etc. – I would think.

    The AHL fans are much less likely to return in droves since, in most markets, it’s a third tier sport.

    I would imagine the NHL would have to expand their rosters to allow for continuing the development of their top prospects.

    Perhaps five per team with no cap implications.

    Career AHL players would likely be SOL.

  119. RonnieB says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Correct me if I’m wrong, but is Pietrangelo worth that?

    To my eye, Parayko is the top right side guy in St. Louis and Pietrangelo plays the softer comp.

    This season (and it’s not much of an outlier) Petro has 16G and 36A in 70 games. That’s close to double Parayko’s production.

  120. Darth Tu says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think moving the draft age up has been a topic of significant conversation recently and its likely to happen to 19 at some point in the near future – I think 20 is a bit much.

    I would think it would be done in stages – changing the age cut off a few months at a time over a few years and I think this is probably implemented in connection with the new CBA in a few years.

    Even 19 would be a step in a good direction.

    I get what HH is saying with the legal arguments though.

  121. N64 says:

    defmn: As the demographics of the death toll roll out I think those under 60, and definitely those under 50, are wondering if the costs of the lock down are worth it.

    ~ Don’t forget about thin people wondering about the cost of saving fat people under 50. Arguable that women are OK with the full costs of saving the vulnerable XY population ~

    Lots to think about for everyone, but polls still seems to show broad support for the original fast “lockdown” AND for phased relaxation. Don’t see those as contrary ideas. It’s all about context and I think people do context better than is often assumed. And when they don’t feedback loops take care of that soon enough.

    Thinking about diminishing returns is hard enough and then you get to do it in real time in the face of something that goes from all quiet to raging with most of the effects baked in before you react.

    Likewise the economic effects of pandemic and death are partly baked in whether state guidance is too weak or too strong or non-existent. Good luck unpacking the mid and long term economic consequences of the mix of guided and unguided real time reactions in every country.

    The UK was aiming to do what Sweden aimed for. Was not even partly sustainable for their context. Montana did full stay at home orders when selective closures should have been enough. Alberta avoided stay at home and focused on shutdowns and restrictions in public spaces. When Alberta added fines to that mix a few weeks later did that really add anything useful or just muddy the waters?

    At some point every Western country will focus on to natural and guided responses and limit coercion too very short term local contexts. Very interested to see who gets the most bang for their buck establishing livable new “normals” given the economic effects of under and over reacting depending on context with contingency for luck.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-24/is-coronavirus-worse-than-the-flu-blood-studies-say-yes-by-far

  122. pts2pndr says:

    Munny: I’m just taking DarthTu at his most general point… that the Leafs need to move on from some salary.

    Considering the talk today is about an early June draft, trading for its picks–which the Leafs need this draft–is largely a moot point.

    Whereas, needing to move some salary will continue to be a significant part of the Leafs off-season, regardless.Do they re-sign Ceci, or Barrie?Or do they move on, and attempt to trade their rights (if there’s an off-season space where they can do so).

    But please, y’all, be as pedantic on this issue as you see fit, lol.

    The teams that need to dump salary may be forced to trade for draft choices in the 2021 draft. This could work depending on how the UFA market goes due flat cap.

  123. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: This will be a decision made by the NHLPA, on behalf of the players.

    The consequence of a player insisting on a July 1 end to his player contract not being adjusted means no end to the current season, a massive loss of HRR, and the likelihood of 75% escrow next year.

    In other words, a big FU to his union brothers.

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    All this talk of Toronto’s roster got me thinking about our own. If the cap is flat and the league does not approve a CBO (likely), how difficult would it be to improve the roster?

    With only 1 trade, I made a roster that, while not perfect, represents I significant improvement over last summer’s creation (IMO). The trade was take from the Athletic article by Willis and LT: Russell to Ottawa for Gaborik + a pick. That’s it. Gaborik is then put onLTIR for the season. If someone can engineer a clean disposition of Russell I’m all for it, but I chose to go this route because I think it’s more conservative.

    Athanasiou ($3M) – McDavid – Kassian
    Nugent-Hopkins – Draisaitl – Yamamoto
    Nygard – Soderberg ($3.25M) – Chiasson
    Neal – Haas – Archibald
    Khaira

    Klefbom – Larsson
    Nurse – Bear ($1.75M)
    Jones – Benning ($1.5M)
    Lagesson ($800K)

    Koskinen
    Khudobin ($3.25M)

    Pick your backup and 3C, these guys are my 1st choice and that’s my budget. If they (or any of the RFAs) can be signed for less than the amounts I have here that will allow the team to run a 23-man roster vs the 22 I have here. We’d need to find is another $100K minimum, since I have $600K in cap space still.

    One thing that should be pointed out is Benning’s QO is $2M and I’ve budgeted just $1.5M. I’ve seen it suggested elsewhere that since the emergence of Bear and the imminence of Bouchard’s arrival is putting pressure on Benning’s job security he might be willing to take the security of a 3 x $1.5M deal over a 1 x $2M deal. It makes some sense to me, but sure how he feels about it. Bottom line: $1.5M is about the limit of my 3RD budget.

    Is this an improvement on the 2019-20 opening day roster? Even if Holland prefers say Haula + Greiss, is it better?

    While I don’t know where Benning’s head is at (pun intended), I don’t think the 3 X $1.5M is totally unreasonable. It may not be doable in reality but its a feasible suggestion.

    Assuming they have to do 1 year on Bear, my hope is to keep it near $2M – I think much lower is a bit aggressive but, with no arb rights, etc., Kenny may be able to grind that one down.

    One question: was the roster cap compliant with Gaborik or did you have to use off-season LTIR to get compliant on day 1?

    Frankly, I think using LTIR on day 1 (regular let alone off-season LTIR) and being in to LTIR relief with a 22 man roster is going to lead to huge issues through the regular season.

    The team can’t even call up a player as an injury replacement short of putting the hurt player on LTIR.

    They won’t be acruing any cap space for deadline acquisitions.

    Etc.

    Its good work but is that upgrade at 3C and 1bG worth it?

  125. godot10 says:

    defmn: As the demographics of the death toll roll out I think those under 60, and definitely those under 50, are wondering if the costs of the lock down are worth it.

    This fall could have a completely different feel to it than how things are right now.

    It has already been proven in Asia that one can open up much of the economy if one has hospital capacity, massive ability to test/trace(withapps)/isolate, masks, and continued social distancing changes in businesses.

    Nobody has demonstrated crowds in stadiums and arenas are safe yet.

  126. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:

    One thing that should be pointed out is Benning’s QO is $2M and I’ve budgeted just $1.5M. I’ve seen it suggested elsewhere that since the emergence of Bear and the imminence of Bouchard’s arrival is putting pressure on Benning’s job security he might be willing to take the security of a 3 x $1.5M deal over a 1 x $2M deal. It makes some sense to me, but sure how he feels about it. Bottom line: $1.5M is about the limit of my 3RD budget.

    Benning can opt for arbitration and be a free agent after the following year. He will get more than his QO in arbitration, and it will be a number too low for the Oilers to be able to walk away from.

  127. N64 says:

    godot10: It has already been proven in Asia that one can open up much of the economy if one has hospital capacity, massive ability to test/trace(withapps)/isolate, masks, and continued social distancing changes in businesses.

    Nobody has demonstrated crowds in stadiums and arenas are safe yet.

    Nobody is demonstrating that it is unsafe YET. Shudders. Heck I’d like to see the economic value and costing of re-opening indoor movie theatres. Could probably make a better economic case for breaking all the windows on Main Street.

  128. N64 says:

    B.C. is in a good place and the CMO’s comments today directly address the dynamics of opening up for maximum benefit:


    Henry confirmed the province is continuing to work under the assumption that B.C. is currently around 30 per cent of regular interactions, but that the virus can be kept in check if it stays below 60 per cent going forward.

    Men with COVID-19 in B.C. about twice as likely to end up in hospital as women, top doctor says
    “We might have increased numbers of cases and some hospitalizations … but they would be manageable. We’d be able to manage that, and there are things we can do to make these contacts safer for people as well,” she said.

    “Our challenge, and our work together is to find that sweet spot. Somewhere around increasing our contacts by twice as many as we have now, but without allowing those opportunities for rapid exponential growth in our communities.”

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-government-believes-personal-interactions-can-eventually-double-without-a-resurgence-of-covid-19-1.5554868

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-restrictions-next-phase-bonnie-henry-1.5553303

  129. godot10 says:

    Klima’s_Bucket: Correct me if I’m wrong, but is Pietrangelo worth that?

    To my eye, Parayko is the top right side guy in St. Louis and Pietrangelo plays the softer comp.

    Pieterangelo, under Hitchcock and Yeo, always saw the toughest minutes. It took away his high end offensive game.

    Berube switched roles. Parayko was ready tor the hardest matchups, and Pieterangelo, in a less challenging role, was able to make waste of the opposition.

    Pieterangelo (like Klefbom) can handle the hardest matchups, but they are bigger difference makers if they are not used in that role.

    Nurse –> Parayko
    Klefbom –> Pieterangelo

    Nurse and Parayko don’t lose any of their game playing the toughest minutes, because their peak offensive potential is less.

    Klefbom and PIeterangelo lose more of their game when they are playing the toughest minutes, not that they cannot handle the role.

    Most sports are about winning matchups. Pieterangelo became more impactful when the toughest matchups were taken away from him, because he has a broader range of skills than Parayko.

  130. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Darth Tu,

    It’s kind of a slap in the face to say you can vote and join the military but playing in the NHL is a bit much at 18.

    Draft and develop. Not every prospect arrives at the same time. The system isn’t broken so not much to fix in that regard, as I see it.

    The issue to fix is allowing top talent (like, say, Bouchard) to play in the AHL when he’s ready instead of returning to major juniour for a draft+1 season because the transfer agreements preclude doing so. They could keep the overall league quality high by only allowing two or three players per NHL club per year to selectively graduate. Or less. I doubt many teams would be able to graduate three prospects in any given season.

  131. defmn says:

    godot10: It has already been proven in Asia that one can open up much of the economy if one has hospital capacity, massive ability to test/trace(withapps)/isolate, masks, and continued social distancing changes in businesses.

    Nobody has demonstrated crowds in stadiums and arenas are safe yet.

    That’s right. But six or seven months from now is unknown.

  132. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Klima’s_Bucket,

    I believe it was Godot who mentioned that STL really took off when they put Parayko on a shutdown pair and allowed Pietrangelo more room to wheel. Petro is really good in a shutdown role too, but can perhaps have more impact dishing sauce and allowing Colton to be the wet blanket.

    EDIT: beaten to the punch. ha.

  133. godot10 says:

    They should make it a 19-year old draft, with 18-year olds allowed to opt in. But any 18-year old has to be drafted in the first round. And 18-year olds who do not opt-in cannot be drafted.

    They could also allow 16 and 17 year olds to opt in, but they would have to be taken 1st overall

  134. defmn says:

    godot10: Pieterangelo, under Hitchcock and Yeo, always saw the toughest minutes.It took away his high end offensive game.

    Berube switched roles.Parayko was ready tor the hardest matchups, and Pieterangelo, in a less challenging role, was able to make waste of the opposition.

    Pieterangelo (like Klefbom) can handle the hardest matchups, but they are bigger difference makers if they are not used in that role.

    Nurse –>Parayko
    Klefbom –> Pieterangelo

    Nurse and Parayko don’t lose any of their game playing the toughest minutes, because their peak offensive potential is less.

    Klefbom and PIeterangelo lose more of their game when they are playing the toughest minutes, not that they cannot handle the role.

    Most sports are about winning matchups.Pieterangelo became more impactful when the toughest matchups were taken away from him, because he has a broader range of skills than Parayko.

    Exactly correct imo.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: There have already been legal decisions that 18 year old players are adults and must be able to sign pro contracts.

    Can’t see that changing any time soon.

    Its not nearly as black and white as that – the draft age is set within a unionized framework.

  136. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: There have already been legal decisions that 18 year old players are adults and must be able to sign pro contracts.

    Can’t see that changing any time soon.

    As I recall it never even made it to court. As soon as Linseman filed his challenge the league moved the age to 18 so it has never been tested.

    That said the decision to avoid the court challenge says something as well. I think the league feels it has enough litigation on its hands with the concussion challenge still not quite settled. I never met a corporate lawyer in my life who wanted to go to court so I don’t see Gary as the kind of guy who goes looking for a fight.

  137. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Its not nearly as black and white as that – the draft age is set within a unionized framework.

    18 year old prospects don’t belong to a union.

  138. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    ArmchairGM,

    OP brings up a good point re: LTIR.

    You could probably grind down a million (or so) on the goaltender. Dell (or similar) for $2.25M x 1 or 2 years wouldn’t be out of the question, no?

  139. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: As I recall it never even made it to court. As soon as Linseman filed his challenge the league moved the age to 18 so it has never been tested.

    That said the decision to avoid the court challenge says something as well. I think the league feels it has enough litigation on its hands with the concussion settlement still not quite settled. I never met a corporate lawyer in my life who wanted to go to court so I don’t see Gary as the kind of guy who goes looking for a fight.

    Legal precedent is a thing.

  140. geowal says:

    Darth Tu: They’re certainly more annoying than geologists ?

    Hey what’s this now? That’s a new grouping!

  141. buck yoakam says:

    Harpers Hair,

    out here in nova scotia its bacon jam cause of newfoundland

  142. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Thanks for the clarification of Petro vs Parayko.

    Now, how much better would the Leafs be with a 31 year old Petro at ~8 Million for the foreseeable future?

    Is that a worthwhile gamble for them?

  143. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Legal precedent is a thing.

    True, but precedent is not set by one side backing down. It is set by court rulings. I think there might have been a court case for the NFL along slightly different lines but there has been no precedent set for for an age restriction that I am aware of.

  144. N64 says:

    godot10:
    They should make it a 19-year old draft, with 18-year olds allowed to opt in.But any 18-year old has to be drafted in the first round. And 18-year olds who do not opt-in cannot be drafted.

    They could also allow 16 and 17 year olds to opt in, but they would have to be taken 1st overall

    To avoid hindering Canadian player development for the NHL I do think we need to get players that have signed pro contracts out of the CHL. The other issues that block the US College path are all resolvable if we avoid mixing amateurs and pros. I’ve thought for some time that the most palatable way to do that for the CHL is to limit 18 year olds to 1st round. If selected they would be permitted into the AHL.

  145. defmn says:

    It was quite cool in Calgary today with a few showers here and there. My wife and I went for a long walk along the river valley through downtown since we knew it wouldn’t be too crowded and when we got home she said she felt like making a soup to go with the rest of our dinner.

    I asked for one of my favourites.

    Lentil Soup

    Ingredients

    1 1/2 cups red lentils, rinsed well
    1 tablespoon peeled crushed fresh ginger
    1 teaspoon seeded, chopped fresh green or red thai chili
    1 teaspoon salt
    1/2 tamarind concentrate (optional, I’m not a fan so we usually skip)
    1 teaspoon vegetable oil
    1/2 teaspoon black mustard seed
    2 teaspoon turmeric
    1 teaspoon cumin
    1/2 teaspoon garam masala
    2 tablespoon lemon juice
    1 tablespoon chopped coriander
    6 cups of chicken stock

    Instruction

    Bring stock to boil in pan over medium heat. Add lentils. Reduce heat and simmer covered until lentils are tender, about 15 minutes. They should break easily when pressed between thumbs and index fingers. Remove from heat.

    Puree this mixture with ginger and green chili with immersion blender until smooth. Return to pan and bring to simmer. Add salt, and tamarind and stir to dissolve the tamarind. Remove from heat.

    Heat oil in a 6-inch skillet over medium-low heat. Fry black mustard seeds as well as turmeric, cumin, garam masala for a few seconds. As soon as the mustard seeds start popping remove from heat and pour contents of pan over the lentil mixtures. Simmer 2 to 3 more minutes.

    Cover and let stand for a few minutes to help develop the flavors. Garnish with lemon juice and coriander.

    I like a little more lemon juice added at the table but that is dependent on taste.

    Enjoy.

  146. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    N64,

    Agreed.

    It’s bananas to hold back a guy who’s proven himself worthy of promotion. Like Bouchard the other year. Isn’t that the reason Boqvist and Dobson were riding pine or eating popcorn in the PB so much, because of Jr-eligibility rules?

  147. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: True, but precedent is not set by one side backing down. It is set by court rulings. I think there might have been a court case for the NFL along slightly different lines but there has been no precedent set for for an age restriction that I am aware of.

    I’m pretty sure preventing an 18 year old from making a living would be problematical in almost every jurisdiction the NHL operates in.

  148. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    defmn,

    Looks delicious. One question. You say 1 tablespoon chopped coriander which is to be added as a garnish. Do you mean cilantro? Or are you actually chopping seeds for garnish?

    First thing I thought of was a dollop of sour cream and fresh chives or spring onion greens as a garnish to compliment the lemon juice. Then I clued into the coriander bit. Had to ask.

  149. defmn says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    defmn,

    Looks delicious.One question.You say 1 tablespoon chopped coriander which is to be added as a garnish.Do you mean cilantro?Or are you actually chopping seeds for garnish?

    First thing I thought of was a dollop of sour cream and fresh chives or spring onion greens as a garnish to compliment the lemon juice.Then I clued into the coriander bit.Had to ask.

    Sorry. Cilantro is the garnish. Asians often use the two words interchangeably and I forgot to re-write it from where I first found it a long time ago.

    Really just a delicious and easy to make soup.

  150. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    I have a question for the group that’s been nagging for the last week or two.

    Ma Kettle and I are watching The Man in the High Castle right now. Highly recommended. Easily in my top ten. First three episodes had us skeptical then things ratcheted up and the pace hasn’t let up since.

    Does anyone else think that Joe Blake looks like Leon Draisaitl? I swear he’s a doppelgänger for #29.

  151. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m pretty sure preventing an 18 year old from making a living would be problematical in almost every jurisdiction the NHL operates in.

    I agree. I was just responding to your comment about precedent. There is none that I am aware of simply because the only time the league was challenged they immediately went to the 18 year old draft.

    I cannot imagine why Bettman would agree to a change of rules he knows the league would lose in court while annoying the PA at the same time.

  152. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: The AHL fans are much less likely to return in droves since, in most markets, it’s a third tier sport.

    I would imagine the NHL would have to expand their rosters to allow for continuing the development of their top prospects.

    Perhaps five per team with no cap implications.

    Career AHL players would likely be SOL.

    I’m not sure what you are trying to say here – that the AHL is going to fold?

    To the extent the 2020/21 AHL season can be played with fans in the stands, I anticipate that will indeed happen.

    I think the fans in places like Bakersfield, Stockton, Bridgeport, Bellville that have historically attended games will continue to do just that when its back.

  153. jp says:

    godot10: Pieterangelo, under Hitchcock and Yeo, always saw the toughest minutes. It took away his high end offensive game.
    Berube switched roles. Parayko was ready tor the hardest matchups, and Pieterangelo, in a less challenging role, was able to make waste of the opposition.
    Pieterangelo (like Klefbom) can handle the hardest matchups, but they are bigger difference makers if they are not used in that role.
    Nurse –> Parayko
    Klefbom –> Pieterangelo
    Nurse and Parayko don’t lose any of their game playing the toughest minutes, because their peak offensive potential is less.
    Klefbom and PIeterangelo lose more of their game when they are playing the toughest minutes, not that they cannot handle the role.
    Most sports are about winning matchups. Pieterangelo became more impactful when the toughest matchups were taken away from him, because he has a broader range of skills than Parayko.

    Klefbom brings next to zero even strength offense though. It’s kinda odd actually.

  154. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Excellent – hope Vinny gets the full year in the AHL and earns himself an NHL deal next spring.

    Damn, there is a clear spot for Berglund but we will need to wait a year:

    Lennstrom/Bouchard
    Sammy/Jaks
    Niemellaine (Kulevich)/Deharnais

    Berglund at 2RD would be nice.

    Logan Day is a UFA.

    Damn, when Bouch gets the NHL call, that right side…..

    Berglund would have been a great add to that group.

    As it is I think the Condors need (and Holland will provide) one more top 4 D, maybe 2.

    Day is an RFA so he may well return. Day or no though, once Bouchard makes the show (which most expect is a when not if question) the RH depth chart is bleak.

    Desharnais might be able to stick as a regular. Kulevich seems to be useful as a depth option. Jaks is from a D2 league no? I don’t know if we can count on much from him.

    The LH side is legit so maybe it’ll be enough… I still think there’s at least one significant add.

  155. Glovjuice says:

    I’m pretty sure when I stated that no player would surpass McDavid’s 12.5 million for five years (maybe I even said 10) that OP suggested that Petriangelo would. No chance that was ever going to happen regardless of whether or not the league would be shuddered as it is now. Maybe Crosby on a one year deal? Makinnon ? Still don’t think he gets 13.

  156. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure what you are trying to say here – that the AHL is going to fold?

    To the extent the 2020/21 AHL season can be played with fans in the stands, I anticipate that will indeed happen.

    I think the fans in places like Bakersfield, Stockton, Bridgeport, Bellville that have historically attended games will continue to do just that when its back.

    You’re extrapolating the past into the future.

    While the NHL will have a difficult time filling buildings in the near future, the AHL will struggle even more.

  157. jp says:

    RonnieB: Just for a thought exercise and not intended to offend you but it sounds simple until it’s your own family circle involved. Hypothetically, what monetary value would you ascribe to the lives of your parents/grandparents/older siblings ? That’s the other side of the equation.

    No offense taken, and I’ve actually posed essentially the same question myself not so long ago (and I don’t have an answer).

    To be clear, my comment was as much a reading of the situation as it seems to be developing as it was what should be done. America IS opening up, we’re going to see how it goes. Some parts of Canada appear to be doing the same.

    I will say that there is emerging evidence that this thing may not be as bad as was feared. That’s not to say it isn’t bad, just not THAT bad. And the optimist in me says if 20% have already been infected in some places then.. well those places have a good chance of being completely back to normal in 6 months, vaccine or no. That will come with a cost, but the other courses come with costs too. It will take time to know, and maybe we’ll never agree which course was the right one. (one other factor is that places with 10% or 20% infections don’t really have the option of following the course of NB or NL or PEI that never had widespread transmission).

  158. Harpers Hair says:

    Hertz rent a car files for bankruptcy.

    Many, many more to come.

  159. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: You’re extrapolating the past into the future.

    While the NHL will have a difficult time filling buildings in the near future, the AHL will struggle even more.

    That’s not necessarily true at all – given the price point to get in to an AHL game, it may very well become more attractive as an entertainment option.

  160. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: That’s not necessarily true at all – given the price point to get in to an AHL game, it may very well become more attractive as an entertainment option.

    Fear of death ain’t any cheaper at $20 than it is at $200.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    That’s changing the narrative as that post is inconsistent with your previous post.

    Same as it ever was….

  162. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Hertz rent a car files for bankruptcy.

    Many, many more to come.

    I’m surprised we haven’t heard from a string of airlines yet.

  163. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: I’m surprised we haven’t heard from a string of airlines yet.

    There have been some while others are waiting for a government bailout which may or not be forthcoming.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-airlines-that-failed-bankrupt-covid19-pandemic-2020-3

  164. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That’s changing the narrative as that post is inconsistent with your previous post.

    Same as it ever was….

    Refuting your simplistic narratives is very consistent.

  165. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: There have been some while others are waiting for a government bailout which may or not be forthcoming.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-airlines-that-failed-bankrupt-covid19-pandemic-2020-3

    Thanks for that. Except for Virgin in Australia I’ve never heard of the others but I’m sure you are right, it’s just the beginning for that industry.

    I know I took all of my aeroplan miles and cashed them out after we decided we wouldn’t be flying anywhere for at least the next 18 months.

  166. N64 says:

    jp: No offense taken, and I’ve actually posed essentially the same question myself not so long ago (and I don’t have an answer).

    To be clear, my comment was as much a reading of the situation as it seems to be developing as it was what should be done. America IS opening up, we’re going to see how it goes. Some parts of Canada appear to be doing the same.

    I will say that there is emerging evidence that this thing may not be as bad as was feared. That’s not to say it isn’t bad, just not THAT bad. And the optimist in me says if 20% have already been infected in some places then.. well those places have a good chance of being completely back to normal in 6 months, vaccine or no. That will come with a cost, but the other courses come with costs too. It will take time to know, and maybe we’ll never agree which course was the right one. (one other factor is that places with 10% or 20% infections don’t really have the option of following the course of NB or NL or PEI that never had widespread transmission).

    Curious. How much “not that bad” are you expecting by the time this stops circulating in the US? Specifically in very broad terms the number of deaths (assuming no vaccine or treatments that seriously change spread or mortality). Happy to reply to that tomorrow.

    In general I think there’s too much binary thinking on death vs. economy on opening vs. closing. The reality will be more dynamic. Even in mid-range population centers feedback loops are not going to open economies full throttle even if they try to. A lot of places where social interaction dropped 3 fold are going to have a lot of room for sustained economic improvement while doubling the current level of social interaction. Half of the drop in social interaction can likely be unwound for sustained economic benefit where short term localized responses can curb significant outbreaks.

  167. €√¥£€^$ says:

    jp: Berglund would have been a great add to that group.

    As it is I think the Condors need (and Holland will provide) one more top 4 D, maybe 2.

    Day is an RFA so he may well return. Day or no though, once Bouchard makes the show (which most expect is a when not if question) the RH depth chart is bleak.

    Desharnais might be able to stick as a regular. Kulevich seems to be useful as a depth option. Jaks is from a D2 league no? I don’t know if we can count on much from him.

    The LH side is legit so maybe it’ll be enough… I still think there’s at least one significant add.

    I’ve been under the impression since late January that they will let Day walk.

    I am also thinking they might sign an AHL vet RHD like Robbie Russo, who is connected to Holland.

  168. jp says:

    N64: Curious. How much “not that bad” are you expecting by the time this stops circulating in the US? Specifically in very broad terms the number of deaths (assuming novaccine or treatments that seriously change spread or mortality). Happy to reply to that tomorrow.

    In general I think there’s too much binary thinking on death vs. economy on opening vs. closing. The reality will be more dynamic. Even in mid-range population centers feedback loops are not going to open economies full throttle even if they try to. A lot of places where social interaction dropped 3 fold are going to have a lot of room for sustained economic improvement while doubling the current level of social interaction. Half of the drop in social interaction can likely be unwound for sustained economic benefit where short term localized responses can curb significant outbreaks.

    Something in the range of 500k in the US.

    And in case it wasn’t clear “not THAT bad” was relative to my (and I think fairly widespread) concern 6 weeks ago that the number could be 5M or 10M or 20M (in the US).

    I’m not sure if anything I said indicates binary thinking. Did it?

    Much of America is relaxing restrictions while cases and deaths aren’t showing much indication of dropping. That’s a fact. They’re going to test the feedback loops. At the same time, I can only assume social distancing remains an important part of the relaxation plan (restrictions haven’t been loosened notably in Massachusetts where I live). And I’m not sure full throttle is being promoted anywhere, I’m certainly not suggesting it.

    If (if) places like NYC have had 20% of the population infected with Covid already… 1) there’s no turning back, you can’t eradicate it, and 2) continuing as they have for ~4 more months achieves herd immunity. You can modulate the curve, but as a country the US seems intent on running things close to hospital capacity. I don’t know if that’s the right decision but I’m also not sure it’s the wrong one.

  169. jp says:

    €√¥£€^$: I’ve been under the impression since late January that they will let Day walk.

    I am also thinking they might sign an AHL vet RHD like Robbie Russo, who is connected to Holland.

    They may well let Day walk, he didn’t have a good year.

    And they could bring in an AHL vet. I feel like Holland is more likely to add a tweener NHL option though. We’ll see, pretty sure either way Jaks will not be 2RD on opening night.

  170. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: While I don’t know where Benning’s head is at (pun intended), I don’t think the 3 X $1.5M is totally unreasonable. It may not be doable in reality but its a feasible suggestion.

    Assuming they have to do 1 year on Bear, my hope is to keep it near $2M – I think much lower is a bit aggressive but, with no arb rights, etc., Kenny may be able to grind that one down.

    One question: was the roster cap compliant with Gaborik or did you have to use off-season LTIR to get compliant on day 1?

    Frankly, I think using LTIR on day 1 (regular let alone off-season LTIR) and being in to LTIR relief with a 22 man roster is going to lead to huge issues through the regular season.

    The team can’t even call up a player as an injury replacement short of putting the hurt player on LTIR.

    They won’t be acruing any cap space for deadline acquisitions.

    Etc.

    Its good work but is that upgrade at 3C and 1bG worth it?

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    ArmchairGM,

    OP brings up a good point re: LTIR.

    You could probably grind down a million (or so) on the goaltender.Dell (or similar) for $2.25M x 1 or 2 years wouldn’t be out of the question, no?

    I believe I addressed that it my post: “If someone can engineer a clean disposition of Russell I’m all for it, but I chose to go this route because I think it’s more conservative.”

    Yes, using LTIR isn’t ideal, but it does give some room to make improvements without (and this is key) buying out Neal and creating six years of dead money to hinder the team through the entirety of McDavid’s prime. You can’t materially improve the team without some cap space, and this is likely the most conservative way of creating cap space. Am I endorsing it? No. I think Holland will be able to create space some other way – this was meant to be sort of a worst-case scenario. The thing is, even in this scenario the team is very much improved from this year’s iteration IMO, and I was surprised at it to be honest. I thought money was tighter than that and significant improvement improbable.

    Take a look at the On-Ice GF/60 of this year’s team:

    McDavid: 3.52
    Draisaitl: 3.56
    Both off: 1.47

    Bringing in Soderberg (2.16 GF/60 this year, 2.64 last) should improve the “both off” number by quite a bit.

  171. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers Ryan Nugent-Hopkins far more than ‘also in photo’ contributor

    https://theathletic.com/1793331/2020/05/05/lowetide-oilers-ryan-nugent-hopkins-far-more-than-also-in-photo-contributor/

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$: I’ve been under the impression since late January that they will let Day walk.

    I am also thinking they might sign an AHL vet RHD like Robbie Russo, who is connected to Holland.

    This is what I’m thinking as well.

    EIther way, I think its obvious that Holland isn’t quite done with the AHL right side.

  173. N64 says:

    jp: Something in the range of 500k in the US.

    And in case it wasn’t clear “not THAT bad” was relative to my (and I think fairly widespread) concern 6 weeks ago that the number could be 5M or 10M or 20M (in the US).

    I’m not sure if anything I said indicates binary thinking. Did it?

    Much of America is relaxing restrictions while cases and deaths aren’t showing much indication of dropping. That’s a fact. They’re going to test the feedback loops. At the same time, I can only assume social distancing remains an important part of the relaxation plan (restrictions haven’t been loosened notably in Massachusetts where I live). And I’m not sure full throttle is being promoted anywhere, I’m certainly not suggesting it.

    If (if) places like NYC have had 20% of the population infected with Covid already… 1) there’s no turning back, you can’t eradicate it, and 2) continuing as they have for ~4 more months achieves herd immunity. You can modulate the curve, but as a country the US seems intent on running things close to hospital capacity. I don’t know if that’s the right decision but I’m also not sure it’s the wrong one.

    To be clear I was saying in general there’s too much binary thinking. Too much binning into do this or do that to avoid this or to avoid that.Two obvious paths are “herd containment” or running close to hospital capacity until “herd immunity”. But I think reality in the US and Canada will be far more complicated and that neither is a likely path or a sustainable path or that the economic effects of covid are as malleable as people wish.

    First of all “herd immunity” is not simple. The percentage required depends on the rates of transmission. This is not the measles, but it’s very efficient. Also “herd immunity” stops new outbreaks but current outbreaks “overshoot” that level. Best to keep an open mind on the early serology studies, but I’d focus on those in high outbreak areas where signal is going to stand out above the noise of false positives. Here are three scenarios based on the range of studies and assuming overshoot due to running just below hospital capacity.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-24/is-coronavirus-worse-than-the-flu-blood-studies-say-yes-by-far

    70% infected and 1/3% IFR = 892K 760K US deaths
    80% infected and 1/2% IFR = 1.53M 1.32M US deaths
    90% infected and 1% IFR = 3.44M 2.97M US deaths

    I don’t think the US will reach herd immunity and I think the US will stay well south of 500K deaths.

    It’s hard to frame all of this in a way that avoids over binning everything, but I do like the % of prior social interaction framing the BC CMO used yesterday. Social and economic interaction has dropped everywhere hand in glove. Restoring social and economic confidence requires sustainability. For BC they estimate social interaction has dropped to 30% and that it can return to 60% on a sustainable basis. Not great news for events with more than 50 people or the travel industry, but that leaves a lot of room to restore the labor supply side of the economy while people prioritize social contacts. The demand side of the economy likely will depend on avoiding the death rates highlighted above.

    Who knows how many jurisdictions will follow the path BC outlines? But I suspect reality in many cases will end up trending more to a lower death equilibrium that than running just below hospital capacity. No one can force consumers back into job creation, but stability can do a lot. Now there is one place where I suspect antibody rates will matter a lot. Denser areas with more public transportation have higher pre-distancing transmission rates have or might reach e.g. 20% antibody rates before they can sustain lower death rate equilibrium like metro areas of e.g. one million.

    No doubt that framework also misses important factors, but that’s the best angle I have into the complexity of this mess.

  174. jp says:

    N64,
    Thanks for the reply and your input on this issue more generally, it’s been useful for a lot of people here I think. There’s no question there will be much more nuance to the responses going forward than we can convey here. And those responses are going to vary based on locale and local oversight decisions. And they’ll be tweaked to react as things progress and new information, or treatments, become available.

    You’re likely right that the final US number will be below 500k. But there’s a lot we don’t know still about the response and about the virus itself. IFRs being very likely below 1% is great news IMO, a correction from the early guesses/estimates and lower than I expected initially. In terms of the infection rates, estimates for the Spanish flu were something like 1/3 of everyone (no clue how accurate that is, i guess no one does). But I do wonder whether 70 or 80 or 90% of everyone would ultimately ‘get’ the virus even if there were no more interventions (I mean that it could well be lower).

    Also, is the math on those infected/IFR estimates off? I get 70%,1/3% = 760K, 80%,1/2% = 1.32M and 90%,1% = 2.97M from a US population of 330M (this doesn’t really matter, just curious). But if instead of 70% infections it’s 35%, all those estimates are immediately cut in half. And on the lower end (380k) those estimates start to get in the range of actual expectations for what’s going to happen in the US (134k is apparently a revised estimate from today). Anyway, this definitely isn’t ‘just the flu’. I 100% agree on that and hope I’m not coming off that way. At the same time, taking an optimistic view (but I think an at least somewhat reasonable one), it’s possible that this may be considerably less damaging than expected.

    The original topic that lead into this was the possibility of fans in seats at AHL games by December. I do still think it’s possible that could happen in at least some cities. There’s definitely no guarantee (it’s likely not even probable) but it’s well within the range of potential outcomes IMO.

  175. N64 says:

    jp:
    N64,
    Thanks for the reply and your input on this issue more generally, it’s been useful for a lot of people here I think. There’s no question there will be much more nuance to the responses going forward than we can convey here. And those responses are going to vary based on locale and local oversight decisions. And they’ll be tweaked to react as things progress and new information, or treatments, become available.

    You’re likely right that the final US number will be below 500k. But there’s a lot we don’t know still about the response and about the virus itself. IFRs being very likely below 1% is great news IMO, a correction from the early guesses/estimates and lower than I expected initially. In terms of the infection rates, estimates for the Spanish flu were something like 1/3 of everyone (no clue how accurate that is, i guess no one does). But I do wonder whether 70 or 80 or 90% of everyone would ultimately ‘get’ the virus even if there were no more interventions (I mean that it could well be lower).

    Also, is the math on those infected/IFR estimates off? I get 70%,1/3% = 760K, 80%,1/2% = 1.32M and 90%,1% = 2.97M from a US population of 330M (this doesn’t really matter, just curious). But if instead of 70% infections it’s 35%, all those estimates are immediately cut in half. And on the lower end (380k) those estimates start to get in the range of actual expectations for what’s going to happen in the US (134k is apparently a revised estimate from today). Anyway, this definitely isn’t ‘just the flu’. I 100% agree on that and hope I’m not coming off that way. At the same time, taking an optimistic view (but I think an at least somewhat reasonable one), it’s possible that this may be considerably less damaging than expected.

    The original topic that lead into this was the possibility of fans in seats at AHL games by December. I do still think it’s possible that could happen in at least some cities. There’s definitely no guarantee (it’s likely not even probable) but it’s well within the range of potential outcomes IMO.

    If you go through the survey of surveys that 1/3% IFR is super-optimistic. Included that to be fair, but surveys where infections would stand out over the false positives mean we’re likely in the .5% to 1.0% range. (Does not get much easier than multiplying 3 numbers in excel, numbers corrected above).

    Some caution with the Spanish Flu only hitting 30%. That’s pure guesswork and not even half way to herd immunity. Even with modern serology we’re still trying to estimate the infection to reported cases ratio for covid! Every flu or covid stat we read is going to depend on whether it’s focused on official cases or or estimated infections and excess deaths. e.g.

    @JimPethokoukis
    “In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620

    My main point was that the end game in most places won’t be reaching herd immunity or even getting close to it. I’ve been assuming 1% IFR for months and hoping for half that. But mainly I’ve been hoping that we find more viable social/economic solutions than 0.5M-1M-2M U.S. deaths. Drugs can still change the pictures and vaccines can still end the game. In the meantime it’s all about maximizing social/economic benefits. New worksite practices will help the labor supply side. The demand side will depend on consumer confidence which would be slammed by those death rates. Avoiding the death rates to reach full herd immunity might have started with closures, but I’d expect those to become very local and very short term as needed.

  176. jp says:

    N64: If you go through the survey of surveys that 1/3% IFR is super-optimistic. Included that to be fair, butsurveys where infections would stand out over the false positives mean we’re likely in the .5% to 1.0% range. (Does not get much easier than multiplying 3 numbers in excel, numbers corrected above).

    Some caution with the Spanish Flu only hitting 30%. That’s pure guesswork and not even half way to herd immunity. Even with modern serology we’re still trying to estimate the infection to reported cases ratio for covid! Every flu or covid stat we read is going to depend on whether it’s focused on official cases or or estimated infections and excess deaths. e.g.

    @JimPethokoukis
    “In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620

    My main point was that the end game in most places won’t be reaching herd immunity or even getting close to it. I’ve been assuming 1% IFR for months and hoping for half that. But mainly I’ve been hoping that we find more viable social/economic solutions than 0.5M-1M-2M U.S. deaths.Drugs can still change the pictures and vaccines can still end the game. In the meantime it’s all about maximizingsocial/economic benefits. New worksite practices will help the labor supply side. The demand side will depend on consumer confidence which would be slammed by those death rates. Avoiding the death rates to reach full herd immunity might have started with closures, but I’d expect those to become very local and very short term as needed.

    There’s no question the numbers I was toying around with were optimistic, I’m definitely aware of that.

    There’s so much we still don’t know about covid. As well as how things will play out over the next 6 months, a year, beyond. It’ll be interesting to follow how it all goes and see which countries and regions fare well going forward. And hopefully the human cost will be mitigated to the extent possible.

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