53rd and 3rd

by Lowetide

Dave Tippett made a big difference to the Edmonton Oilers in 2019-20. Special teams is the obvious area but there are other pockets of improvement that appeared upon his arrival. Young players were able to fill feature roles that previously would have been filled by a veteran. He had an impressive feel for which goalie to ride in specific areas of the campaign. A coach can help his team, even if it is outmanned. Maybe we forgot about that over the years in Edmonton.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, check it out here.

MACT’S OILERS 2007-08

Craig MacTavish won 41 games with this roster. The team’s five on five goal differential (143-166, -23) was typical of a MacT team: Perhaps a little shy on the power play but better than expected at five on five. If MacT’s teams got goaltending, they would make the playoffs.

Using hockey-reference and even strength goals for and against, here are the goal differentials for Edmonton teams since the turn of the century. Notice what happens when MacT leaves and also notice when it corrects.

  • 2000-01: 171-156, +15 (MacT)
  • 2001-02: 142-125, +17 (MacT)
  • 2002-03: 162-161, +1 (MacT)
  • 2003-04: 164-134, +30 (MacT)
  • 2005-06: 146-161, -15 (MacT)
  • 2006-07: 133-182, -49 (MacT)
  • 2007-08: 156-181, -25 (MacT)
  • 2008-09: 165-160, +5 (MacT)
  • 2009-10: 148-206, -58 (Quinn)
  • 2010-11: 139-184, -45 (Renney)
  • 2011-12: 148-172, -24 (Renney)
  • 2012-13: 85-101, -26 (Krueger)
  • 2013-14: 149-204, -55 (Eakins)
  • 2014-15: 148-218, -70 (Eakins, MacT, Nelson)
  • 2015-16: 151-187, -36 (McLellan)
  • 2016-17: 183-159, +24 (McLellan)
  • 2017-18: 187-200, -13 (McLellan)
  • 2018-19: 172-202, -30 (McLellan, Hitchcock)
  • 2019-20: 161-174, -13 (Tippett)

MacT’s teams were mostly productive, the 2005-06 team was quality but lacked goaltending until the Dwayne Roloson trade (the other three goalies had save percentages under .900). The 2006-07 MacT team had major defensive issues but that improved in the following year and by his final season as coach MacT’s Oilers were in the black.

Beginning with Quinn, there’s a seven year period of bleeding badly until McLellan’s second campaign. The 2018-19 season, imo, was a lot about cap issues and unproven players in prominent positions.

As you can see, the 2019-20 season saw marked improvement at even-strength outscoring but there is work to be done.

LIAS ANDERSSON

Lots of Lias Andersson-Jesse Puljujarvi talk right now, I wrote about the idea just before Christmas. Apparently Ken Holland wanted a first-round pick added to Andersson, with a mid-level prospect coming back from Edmonton. There’s speculation that William Lagesson is the other piece in the puzzle but that’s not an actual factual trade proposal.

We don’t know where the pick will land, but let’s say it’s No. 21. The Rangers could use an NHL-ready left side blue (their right side is golden) and I’m a Lagesson fan. I think Dmitri Samorukov would have more potential value long term but Lagesson is a plug and play.

If the deal is Jesse Puljujarvi and William Lagesson for Lias Andersson and the pick that gets you Mavrik Bourque, I do the deal. You?

DRAFT OPTIONS

I’ll have an article up at The Athletic today or tomorrow about the Oilers situation as it pertains to the draft. It sounds like general managers will get their wish, with the timing of the draft occurring after the 2020 Stanley Cup is awarded. There’s a lot to talk about either way, we should find out about it this week.

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OriginalPouzar

I think they are trying to play the 24 team inclusion as a “play-down” before they get to the real playoffs.

Either way, I think 20 makes some more sense with 6-10 and 7-9 on each conference playing to “get in” to the real 16.

BOG meets today.

A chance there is some sort of Return to Play schedule set – which would include the starting of stage 2 where mandatory player quarantine is over and they will start getting players back from overseas for their 14-days, etc and facilities can be used for small groups.

Return to play is voted on by the 31 NHLPA execs.

BOG will also talk about the draft, of course. BOG approval is not needed. Gary and Bill can set a draft that on their own but an early draft has clearly received great push back.

Hopefully we know more later today.

Todd Macallan

I am no fan of Andersson but yes I do that deal no question.

OriginalPouzar

I think you have to make that deal, don’t you?

That’s essentially two players that aren’t in the starting 18 for a “prospect with issues” and a very skilled forward prospect.

Andresson has skill – Jesse has the better potential but it won’t be realized as an Oiler. He could “pop” as a Ranger but, unfortunately, I don’t think he’ll give himself he chance to “pop” as an Oilers.

Andresson recovered nicely back in the SHL last season.

——————

If Lagesson is moved, does that mean the Rusty stays? I mean, if they move Rusty as well then we are looking at a Lennstrom as 4LD and we don’t even know if that guy can play in the NHL.

Is Andersson the “pencilled-in” 3C in that scenario?

jtblack

“If the deal is Jesse Puljujarvi and William Lagesson for Lias Andersson and the pick that gets you Mavrik Bourque, I do the deal. You?”

100%.
That would give Edm 2 picks between #20-#25. Could get 2 Great Prospects.

Go Kenny!

jtblack

OriginalPouzar,

“A chance there is some sort of Return to Play schedule set ”

This would be fantastic news. Was talking to some friends yesterday. We are already planning for a mid to late July Playoff Draft ?

Brantford Boy

LT: “If the deal is Jesse Puljujarvi and William Lagesson for Lias Andersson and the pick that gets you Mavrik Bourque, I do the deal. You?”

I suppose… only because you’re guaranteeing Bourque… seems this Swede Andersson is having an issue getting used to the smaller ice based on the numbers…
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/214318/lias-andersson

We have to get JP to play or offload for the best package… think this is the best package out there…

Rondo

If that the best deal you can get, I guess you take it. But why would you want a Lias Lias Andersson he h is not fast enough for the NHL. He sounds like at excellent AHL player . Reminds me of Anton Lander

defmn

From May 10th.

https://www.foreverblueshirts.com/icymi-lias-andersson-for-jesse-puljujarvi-trade-may-be-revisited-at-nhl-draft/

Oilers Like What they Saw In Lias in Sweden

Lias Andersson hurt his value when he bolted the Rangers AHL affiliate earlier this season. However, sources told me Edmonton really liked what they saw from the Rangers former first round pick, 7th overall with HV71 in the SHL. This is sparking talk that at some point both the Rangers and Oilers will revisit this trade.

Could the Rangers trade the Oilers Lias Andersson and their second 1st round pick (23rd overall) for Jesse Puljujarvi and another mid level prospect? Or will NJ swoop in and give up one of their 3 first round picks (6, 10, and 17) for the big scoring winger? We could find out soon if the NHL does go forward with a June draft.

geowal

At this point it doesn’t feel like we’d be waiting any longer for a top 20 draft pick to develop Than we’ve been waiting/will wait for Jesse to decide he feels like playing here. Possibly an exaggeration, but not by much. Reluctantly, I do the deal. And I don’t even know who Lias Anderson is other than a few descriptions above.

Harpers Hair

The NHL considering a plan tp play in only two hub cities.

https://www.tsn.ca/two-hub-city-concept-featuring-24-teams-in-play-1.1476796

godot10

OriginalPouzar:
I think you have to make that deal, don’t you?

That’s essentially two players that aren’t in the starting 18 for a “prospect with issues” and a very skilled forward prospect.

Andresson has skill – Jesse has the better potential but it won’t be realized as an Oiler.He could “pop” as a Ranger but, unfortunately, I don’t think he’ll give himself he chance to “pop” as an Oilers.

Andresson recovered nicely back in the SHL last season.

——————

If Lagesson is moved, does that mean the Rusty stays? I mean, if they move Rusty as well then we are looking at a Lennstrom as 4LD and we don’t even know if that guy can play in the NHL.

Is Andersson the “pencilled-in” 3C in that scenario?

I don’t think Russell wants to move. He effectively has the power to make sure that will not happen.

His agent gutted Chiarelli with that contract. He will be the #7D in the pressbox.

Puljujarvi and Lagesson for Andersson and the lower of the Rangers 1sts. I am on board.

HugThePost

At this point, I think we have to give up on any dream that Jesse will ever play for the Oilers. What a sad saga, but there were red flags right from the beginning……..a Finnish GM not taking him when he was available at the draft………that story about the kid catching a ride with some rando after he cleaned out his locker at season’s end…….his agent continually dealing with the team through the media, etc etc.

My interest in the Oilers has gone from obsessed 10-15 years to ago to a waxing and waning following these days so even I as a casual fan have noticed this huge eff- up

defmn

godot10: I don’t think Russell wants to move.He effectively has the power to make sure that will not happen.

His agent gutted Chiarelli with that contract.He will be the #7D in the pressbox.

I think it depends on whether Russell wants to keep playing after this contract expires.

If he is ready to retire he digs in to stay here. If he wants to keep playing sitting in the PB as the 7th guy isn’t the best bargaining tool even if he gets into 30-40 games over the season. And players have pride. They want to play. If Holland treats him with respect – which I expect – I think something gets worked out.

Death By Misadventure

Oilers draft 2020 wish list:

Draft a F in the 1st round with their pick
Get Jesse traded for another 1st round pick
Draft a F with the other 1st round
Don’t draft a LHD anywhere
Don’t draft a goalie with a 3rd pick or anywhere

jp

“If the deal is Jesse Puljujarvi and William Lagesson for Lias Andersson and the pick that gets you Mavrik Bourque, I do the deal. You?”

There’s zero question in my mind.

jp

OriginalPouzar: Is Andersson the “pencilled-in” 3C in that scenario?

I would suspect no.

He could very well make the roster but I don’t see anything he’s done suggesting he’d be an upgrade on Sheahan/Haas as of today (in terms of Holland projecting him as the 3C and not trying to acquire an upgrade).

He’s got one more year on his ELC and as waiver exempt. I’d guess he’d be as likely to be in Bakersfield next opening night as being the Oilers 3C. Or maybe he’s destined for another year in the SHL.

jp

godot10: I don’t think Russell wants to move. He effectively has the power to make sure that will not happen.

I don’t agree it’s that bad. He has to pick 15 teams. Holland may well have to take back a different (but more useful) contract or add a pick, but there will be options.

Harpers Hair

jp: I would suspect no.

He could very well make the roster but I don’t see anything he’s done suggesting he’d be an upgrade on Sheahan/Haas as of today (in terms of Holland projecting him as the 3C and not trying to acquire an upgrade).

He’s got one more year on his ELC and as waiver exempt. I’d guess he’d be as likely to be in Bakersfield next opening night as being the Oilers 3C. Or maybe he’s destined for another year in the SHL.

The question is…would he come back to North America to play in Bakersfield?

Rondo

Lias Andersson = Anton Lander ?

BornInAGretzkyJersey

“If the deal is Jesse Puljujarvi and William Lagesson for Lias Andersson and the pick that gets you Mavrik Bourque, I do the deal. You? ”

Hmmmm… you’ve framed the issue in a fresh manner.

Yesterday talk of Benson or Sammy as the prospect from EDM was floating around and I bristled. Not sure why Lagesson isn’t as dear to me… he’s an NHL ready player right now. But yet, I’ve been ready to include him as a deal sweetener for a few years so perhaps that’s why. It could be that I see Sammy with a higher potential ceiling.

The lowest 1st round pick this year for NJD is the 17OV pick, what’s the spread in value to get there? Do they have a roster player who’d be a good fit? Wood? Bratt? Zacha?

I guess what I’m saying is, if I’m including a B-level or better prospect, I want a roster-ready player back.

And yes, I would be very tempted at the prospect of landing Borque plus someone else this year. But they’re a year or few away still. Need some help now as well.

jp

Harpers Hair: The question is…would he come back to North America to play in Bakersfield?

Yes, an open question. Hence “maybe he’s destined for another year in Sweden”.

N64

OriginalPouzar: I think they are trying to play the 24 team inclusion as a “play-down” before they get to the real playoffs.

Either way, I think 20 makes some more sense with 6-10 and 7-9 on each conference playing to “get in” to the real 16.

20 teams is a problem in the East as nothing separates Panthers and Rangers (different team based on pts or pts%). That can be fixed with a one game tie breaker for #10 in the East.

22 would be better for the Round Robin, but the rightsholders will want 24 as it adds Chicago and Montreal.

Either format I’m guessing they pick 2 US sites for the playin/playoffs.

OriginalPouzar

jtblack:
OriginalPouzar,

“A chance there is some sort of Return to Play schedule set ”

This would be fantastic news.Was talking to some friends yesterday.We are already planning for a mid to late July Playoff Draft

I had planned a trip to Hawaii in late winter/early spring of 2017 – made a stupid rookie mistake and didn’t think about the potential of the Oilers in the playoffs. As it turned out, I was able to not miss a second of Oilers’ hockey but the wife was none to happy that certain days mandated a return to the condo by 4 pm (time change).

I promised myself not to make that mistake again.

Fast forward to current times and the trip we booked a year ago to Rwanda, Uganda, DRC is scheduled for July 24. As of now its technically still on but I can’t imagine it being practical including the mandatory quarantine upon return to Canada.

Of course, the organizer will allow us to refund or shift payment to a trip in June 2021 or late July 2021.

My initial thought is to do the July but that would miss the Olympics. June 2021 would “hopefully” create a conflict with Oilers playoffs.

There is talk of postponing the current trip until October and that sounds great – the 2020/21 season won’t start until December but, then again, maybe the Oilers are playing in the playoffs his October?

Do others schedule life around the Oilers?

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Felt like digging into the archives on Lias Andersson a little more, after having solely relied on blog comments for an assessment of his qualities/abilities. I don’t think skating is as big of a concern as previously mentioned — based off the following scouting reports, and my own viewing of highlights. His stride is a bit short and choppy, but his velocity is fine — good, even.

source: https://thehockeywriters.com/the-next-ones-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-lias-andersson/
Rankings:
THW Alternate: 16th (January)
Future Considerations: 10th (Winter)
ISS: 25th (January)
Bob McKenzie: 15th (Mid-season)
Craig Button: 9th (January)

“He’s quick, fast, determined and skilled and can play all three positions up front. A Swiss (or Swedish) Army knife-type player who’s very adaptable and coaches will love.” – Craig Button, TSN Director of Scouting

source: https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/214318/lias-andersson
Rankings:
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #25 by ISS Hockey

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #13 by Future Considerations

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #12 by Hockeyprospect.com

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #17 by McKeen’s Hockey

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #13 by TSN/McKenzie

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #3 by NHL Central Scouting

“Andersson is an excellent team player. Never takes a shift off. Also blessed with good hockey sense and plays a strong two-way game. Offensively, Andersson stands out with impressive puck skills, a good shot and fine speed. Has the tools to become a scoring line player, but could also become an excellent role player who always gives 100%. (EP 2017)”

“He is an aggressive player who often wins races for loose pucks and he is adept at winning one on one battles, Hockeyprospect.com 2017”

source: https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2017-nhl-draft-headquarters/2017-draft-profiles/c-lias-andersson/
“A shifty, elusive player with good acceleration who is quick on his feet and a has knack for making something out of nothing, Andersson has a ton of upside considering how well he fared as a teenager on a good team in an adult league. He has a very good shot, mainly for his release and accuracy rather than sheer power. Playing inside is something he’ll do with regularity, and Andersson’s proven to snap off a quick shot while cutting across or in full stride.”

source: https://futureconsiderations.ca/player/lias-andersson/
“A smart, mature, two-way center…good decision-making, leadership qualities and advanced understanding of the game…a true three-zone player…defensively responsible…will drop to block shots or get his body in passing lanes…dangerous forechecker who reads the defense and uses an active stick to disrupt…covers up the ice for his teammates on the backcheck and always gives an honest effort…doesn’t commit a lot of mistakes and plays a very calm game while in puck possession…has solid offensive instincts…protects the puck very well and uses all of his frame to hold opponents off the puck…possesses a nice, quick shot release…not a flashy puckhandler, but can carry it up ice and distributes it well…goes to the net and plays in traffic…has solid vision and the ability to set up his linemates…has good balance and generates healthy amounts of speed…a potential two-way guy in the Zetterberg mold. (November 2017)”

source: https://dobberprospects.com/player/lias-andersson/
January 2020 – The 2017 first-round draft twin of Filip Chytil has had a series of up’s and down’s with the Rangers through the years since being selected seventh overall. Unfortunately for him, the downs have been much deeper than the up’s have been high. His stature within the Ranger’s system hit and all-time low at the end of 2019 as the 21-year-old requested to be traded from the team. Unfortunately, the team hasn’t been able to offer him an optimal role for development since his arrival from Sweden. Their affiliate in Hartford has struggled until recently, and he simply isn’t cut out to center a top-six line in the NHL yet. For now, Andersson has opted to sit out of hockey within the organization, citing his trade demand as well as what has been called a mental-health break. His hiatus certainly doesn’t help his fantasy value, but Andersson still has the potential to become a reliable NHL player someday – it just probably won’t be in Manhattan. Brayden Olafson

blainer

I would do that for Laggesson but I say NO if includes Sammy. I am a big fan of Sammy much in the same way I was of Bear.

If GM’s are asking for Sammy and I think they have there is a reason for it.

Lias and Jesse are two very flawed players and I see them as a wash. Don’t think either have the right attitude to make it in the league. I find it very funny they have the same agent. If we do make that trade leave Lias in Sweden next year. That extra year might (and that is a big might) help him mature and get hungry enough to put the work in.

I would love to see the reverse of a deal where another team takes on our Griffin Reinhart and we get the Barzal.. Is that Bourque ? If it is I’m in.

BornInAGretzkyJersey
jp

BornInAGretzkyJersey: Yesterday talk of Benson or Sammy as the prospect from EDM was floating around and I bristled. Not sure why Lagesson isn’t as dear to me… he’s an NHL ready player right now. But yet, I’ve been ready to include him as a deal sweetener for a few years so perhaps that’s why. It could be that I see Sammy with a higher potential ceiling.

He could probably play 3rd pair now but he’s also a 24 year old through 2 pro seasons (and another in the SHL) with 8 NHL games on his resume. And he’s waiver exempt whenever next season starts.

Never say never but in all probability Lagesson is a 3rd pairing D. There’s no question IMO that Samorukov (and Benson for that matter) have higher upside.

jp

blainer:
I would do that for Laggesson but I say NO if includes Sammy. I am a big fan of Sammy much in the same way I was of Bear.

If GM’s are asking for Sammy and I think they have there is a reason for it.

Lias and Jesse are two very flawed players and I see them as a wash. Don’t think either have the right attitude to make it in the league. I find it very funny they have the same agent. If we do make that trade leave Lias in Sweden next year. That extra year might (and that is a big might) help him mature and get hungry enough to put the work in.

I would love to see the reverse of a deal where another team takes on our Griffin Reinhart and we get the Barzal.. Is that Bourque ? If it is I’m in.

If you see Puljujarvi and Andersson as a wash then that means you wouldn’t trade Samorukov for a 1st round pick?

BornInAGretzkyJersey

jp,

Yes, agreed. Hence my reluctance at including either as a sweetener in the proposed trade.

I like me some Wild Bill, but he’s the type of player I try to trade and upgrade elsewhere.

Having seen some highlights of Andersson, I’d say his skating isn’t as much of a concern as I had previously believed.

So, if the trade were 23OV + Andersson for JP + Lagesson, I’d do that trade. Although I’d prefer to see if KRusty could be moved first, as WL would be a nice fit on the team as a 6/7D at ~$800k.

jp

BornInAGretzkyJersey: Felt like digging into the archives on Lias Andersson a little more, after having solely relied on blog comments for an assessment of his qualities/abilities. I don’t think skating is as big of a concern as previously mentioned — based off the following scouting reports, and my own viewing of highlights. His stride is a bit short and choppy, but his velocity is fine — good, even.

Thanks a lot for this. Had been thinking of looking into his scouting reports more but hadn’t gotten to it.

I’d also seen a couple of mentions of his “good” skating and wondered if talk of his slow boots was being exaggerated. Seems like maybe it was.

Seems like a classic 3C by the scouting reports (good, not great skill but a solid 2-way game).

Also seems like he was a reach at #7 vs the projections (which would place him more in the early teens).

blainer

jp: If you see Puljujarvi and Andersson as a wash then that means you wouldn’t trade Samorukov for a 1st round pick?

I see them as a wash yes but I think Holland doesn’t and think he values Jesse more. I would be surprised if KH includes Sammy in this deal.

I would not trade Sammy for a first rounder in the 20 to 30 range but that’s just me. He is close to NHL ready and a trade we would regret IMO.

jp

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
jp,

Yes, agreed.Hence my reluctance at including either as a sweetener in the proposed trade.

I like me some Wild Bill, but he’s the type of player I try to trade and upgrade elsewhere.

Having seen some highlights of Andersson, I’d say his skating isn’t as much of a concern as I had previously believed.

So, if the trade were 23OV + Andersson for JP + Lagesson, I’d do that trade.Although I’d prefer to see if KRusty could be moved first, as WL would be a nice fit on the team as a 6/7D at ~$800k.

Lagesson would be nice to have as 7D, that’s where I’ve been penciling him too (assuming Russell is moved) but that’s certainly not a deal breaker.

The way I’ve been thinking about the trade is the 1st for Puljujarvi and Andersson for the other piece. Apparently Puljujarvi’s value is more than pick 21?? I’d have happily done Puljujarvi for a 1st straight up until yesterday.

That leaves Andersson for Lagesson/Samorukov/Benson (these are all just speculation based in “mid-prospect”). We agree that Andersson > Lagesson it seems.

Interesting that Andersson and Samorukov were both 2017 picks and Benson a 2016 pick. I agree the two Oiler prospects look like they could be strong NHLers but I’d personally still call them vs. Andersson a wash at least (I mean that I’d still say Andersson has at least equal value to Samorukov/Benson). That’s my opinion on what I can glean so far anyway…

It’s like Puljujarvi himself though, Andersson is being judged harshly for NHL games he played mostly at age 19 and 20 when most of his peers weren’t anywhere near the NHL.

jp

blainer: I see them as a wash yes but I think Holland doesn’t and think he values Jesse more.I would be surprised if KH includes Sammy in this deal.

I would not trade Sammy for a first rounder in the 20 to 30 range but that’s just me. He is close to NHL ready and a trade we would regret IMO.

You seem to be right about Holland valuing Puljujarvi more than Andersson (I’d agree with that myself as well).

I don’t agree on Samorukov’s value but that’s cool (I hope you’re right and I’m wrong!).

€√¥£€^$

blainer:
I would do that for Laggesson but I say NO if includes Sammy. I am a big fan of Sammy much in the same way I was of Bear.

If GM’s are asking for Sammy and I think they have there is a reason for it.

Lias and Jesse are two very flawed players and I see them as a wash. Don’t think either have the right attitude to make it in the league. I find it very funny they have the same agent. If we do make that trade leave Lias in Sweden next year. That extra year might (and that is a big might) help him mature and get hungry enough to put the work in.

I would love to see the reverse of a deal where another team takes on our Griffin Reinhart and we get the Barzal.. Is that Bourque ? If it is I’m in.

Hi Blainer,

I think you’ve confused Lias Andersson with Henrik Borgstrom, who has the same Agent as Jesse.

Interesting article from January regarding Andersson:

https://www.traderumours.com/index.php?blog=11304&s=1000

digger50

My first feeling was that of disappointment regarding the proposed trade.

Two NHL players (just emerging) for a maybe prospect and a first who again only has a 50% (?) chance of making it. We may well end up with nothing at all.

While first rounders are important, we have the two top scorers in the league and we need to support them with as much talent as possible, as soon as possible. This team could be unstoppable but they need those few more pieces.

Thus I was hoping for a real player for Hessie, and throw in Laggedon I am hoping for a real nice player for both of them.

But fair enough, if a deal must be done, and not a lot of money left to pay another roster player then you do what you have to do.

Still…..,.,JP plus Willie could equal a good third line center.

Bruce McCurdy

Worth noting that of the 41 games Craig MacTavish won with that 2007-08 roster, 15 of those “wins” came in the shootout.

A dozen years on, that’s still the NHL record for shootout “wins” in a season.

OriginalPouzar

Rondo:
If that the best deal you can get, I guess you take it.But why would you want a Lias Lias Andersson he h is not fast enough for the NHL. He sounds like at excellent AHL player .Reminds me of Anton Lander

The deal also includes a first round pick in a draft where a normal “top 10 talent forward” is likely to be available in the bottom third.

blainer

€√¥£€^$: Hi Blainer,

I think you’ve confused Lias Andersson with Henrik Borgstrom, who has the same Agent as Jesse.

Interesting article from January regarding Andersson:

https://www.traderumours.com/index.php?blog=11304&s=1000

Cool thanks.. thought they had the same agent.. I do think KH gets a deal done on this before the draft.

jp

On the Lias Andersson – Anton Lander comparisons. I can definitely see where they’re coming from but would point out a few differences.

Lander was picked #40 overall.
Andersson was picked #7 overall.

Andersson is 6 months older relative to draft year (October vs April birthdays).

Andersson had better offense in the SHL.
Draft — 42-9-10-19 (also 5th on his team and top 10 in the SHL in +/- for the SHL champs)
Draft +1 22-7-7-14

Lander
Draft — 47-4-6-10
Draft +1 49-7-9-16
Draft +2 49-10-14-24

Andersson had essentially the same production in the NHL in Draft +2 as Lander did in Draft +3 (both very bad).

Draft +1 Andersson also made Sweden’s World Championship (gold medal winning) team. Lander didn’t play on the senior national team until his Draft +6.

Who knows what Andersson will become but I do think he’s ahead of Lander at this point in their respective developments.

Material Elvis

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Felt like digging into the archives on Lias Andersson a little more, after having solely relied on blog comments for an assessment of his qualities/abilities.I don’t think skating is as big of a concern as previously mentioned — based off the following scouting reports, and my own viewing of highlights.His stride is a bit short and choppy, but his velocity is fine — good, even.

source: https://thehockeywriters.com/the-next-ones-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-lias-andersson/
Rankings: THW Alternate: 16th (January) Future Considerations: 10th (Winter) ISS: 25th (January) Bob McKenzie: 15th (Mid-season) Craig Button: 9th (January)

“He’s quick, fast, determined and skilled and can play all three positions up front. A Swiss (or Swedish) Army knife-type player who’s very adaptable and coaches will love.” – Craig Button, TSN Director of Scouting

source: https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/214318/lias-andersson
Rankings:
2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #25 by ISS Hockey

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #13 by Future Considerations

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #12 by Hockeyprospect.com

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #17 by McKeen’s Hockey

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #13 by TSN/McKenzie

2017 NHL Entry Draft: Ranked #3 by NHL Central Scouting

“Andersson is an excellent team player. Never takes a shift off. Also blessed with good hockey sense and plays a strong two-way game. Offensively, Andersson stands out with impressive puck skills, a good shot and fine speed. Has the tools to become a scoring line player, but could also become an excellent role player who always gives 100%. (EP 2017)”

“He is an aggressive player who often wins races for loose pucks and he is adept at winning one on one battles, Hockeyprospect.com 2017”

source: https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/2017-nhl-draft-headquarters/2017-draft-profiles/c-lias-andersson/
“A shifty, elusive player with good acceleration who is quick on his feet and a has knack for making something out of nothing, Andersson has a ton of upside considering how well he fared as a teenager on a good team in an adult league. He has a very good shot, mainly for his release and accuracy rather than sheer power. Playing inside is something he’ll do with regularity, and Andersson’s proven to snap off a quick shot while cutting across or in full stride.”

source: https://futureconsiderations.ca/player/lias-andersson/
“A smart, mature, two-way center…good decision-making, leadership qualities and advanced understanding of the game…a true three-zone player…defensively responsible…will drop to block shots or get his body in passing lanes…dangerous forechecker who reads the defense and uses an active stick to disrupt…covers up the ice for his teammates on the backcheck and always gives an honest effort…doesn’t commit a lot of mistakes and plays a very calm game while in puck possession…has solid offensive instincts…protects the puck very well and uses all of his frame to hold opponents off the puck…possesses a nice, quick shot release…not a flashy puckhandler, but can carry it up ice and distributes it well…goes to the net and plays in traffic…has solid vision and the ability to set up his linemates…has good balance and generates healthy amounts of speed…a potential two-way guy in the Zetterberg mold. (November 2017)”

source: https://dobberprospects.com/player/lias-andersson/
January 2020 – The 2017 first-round draft twin of Filip Chytil has had a series of up’s and down’s with the Rangers through the years since being selected seventh overall. Unfortunately for him, the downs have been much deeper than the up’s have been high. His stature within the Ranger’s system hit and all-time low at the end of 2019 as the 21-year-old requested to be traded from the team. Unfortunately, the team hasn’t been able to offer him an optimal role for development since his arrival from Sweden. Their affiliate in Hartford has struggled until recently, and he simply isn’t cut out to center a top-six line in the NHL yet. For now, Andersson has opted to sit out of hockey within the organization, citing his trade demand as well as what has been called a mental-health break. His hiatus certainly doesn’t help his fantasy value, but Andersson still has the potential to become a reliable NHL player someday – it just probably won’t be in Manhattan. Brayden Olafson

I would be very cautious basing your opinion on his junior scouting reports and junior-aged highlights. Anton Lander’s junior scouting reports talked about his speed, too. Griffin Reinhart looked amazing in junior, so did Yakupov, so did a myriad of other guys. Andersson isn’t a great skater by 2020 NHL standards; he is a downgrade from Puljujarvi. The 1st for Lagesson or whomever balances the equation. Maybe LA reaches 3C potential someday but he’s not there now and I would have him behind Ryan McLeod in the pecking order.

Rondo

Lowetide,

I can’t remember when I heard it, but did hear Lias has some skating issues. If they do trade for him , I hope he turns into an all-star.

blainer

jp: You seem to be right about Holland valuing Puljujarvi more than Andersson (I’d agree with that myself as well).

I don’t agree on Samorukov’s value but that’s cool (I hope you’re right and I’m wrong!).

I really believe that Sammy arrives at the NHL level in the winter of 2021 and really think he will turn out to be as good as Bear only on the left side and meaner.

I would not be surprised to see him playing a fair bit against the toughs and come out well doing it. He will prove to be a great player once the injuries hit. I am very high on him for sure but could also be wrong. I guess we’ll know in about a year or so.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Bruce McCurdy,

If I recall correctly, didn’t Mike Morrison often come off the bench cold to stone the opposition as a shootout specialist?

jp

blainer: I really believe that Sammy arrives at the NHL level in the winter of 2021 and really think he will turn out to be as good as Bear only on the left side and meaner.

I would not be surprised to see him playing a fair bit against the toughs and come out well doing it. He will prove to be a great player once the injuries hit. I am very high on him for sure but could also be wrong. I guess we’ll know in about a year or so.

I’m definitely not saying it won’t happen, I just have less confidence it’ll turn out that way.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

jp,

No sweat. I like taking a look when I have the moment. Seems like if a skater doesn’t move as fast as Connor or MacKinnon then they’re automatically judged as slow boots. From what I could tell in his highlights, he can cover ice at least adequately. And much of his SHL play was as a teenager competing against men. As you show in your Lander comparison, he acquitted himself rather well amongst older ‘peers.’

jp,

Agree with much of your post, especially the closing statement. He’s got plenty of time to develop further. If these two players — reportedly mishandled development wise — need a change of scenery to reach their potential, this could be a good deal for all parties.

I just hope the scouts have done their homework well this time. As an Oilers fan it seems easier to count the pro-trades which have worked out in our favour on one hand/by memory vs. the ones that struck out miserably (how much time you got?).

As far as trade value, I think JP+Lagesson is fair for 23OV+Andersson in aggregate.

I’d prefer something like Wood/Bratt+17OV from NJD but I seem to have misplaced Shero’s (natch, Tom Fitzgerald’s) phone number somewhere. So I’ll let Old Dutch do the work and hope for the best.

Turning Tikkanese

Just a thought. If the trade for Andersson went through as posited, it could be only the beginning of draft day fun. With picks at 21 and say 24, perhaps the play is packaging them for a move up the board. Say 21 and our third to move up several spots, and 24 and a prospect to move up the board as well . Could end up as two picks in the top 10-15 of the draft if it works. Does this sound feasible?