Green Acres

by Lowetide

I’ve been putting this off in hopes of finding out how the Oilers amateur procurement hierarchy works now, but alas the mystery has not unraveled in these last months. Tyler Wright is in charge of the amateur draft now, and Bob Green is not, of that I’m fairly certain based on parsing the wind and whippoorwills since October. That means it is time to have a look at the draft record of Mr. Green, 2015-2019. Note: Keith Gretzky would have impacted the 2017-2019 drafts, but for our purposes today we’ll deal with the scouting team under the name Bob Green.

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Success in the first round. Green was in place in time for the 2015 draft but the heavy work during the season included Stu MacGregor and two other scouts who were fired the week before the draft. It doesn’t matter who gets credit for Connor McDavid because that selection took no expertise. However, as we move later into the piece, we’ll need to address that issue. Jesse Puljujarvi was the initial first-round pick post-MacGregor, it was not a success but I don’t think it’s rational to blame the procurement manager. The blame goes farther up the food chain. Kailer Yamamoto in 2017 showed some innovation, a small winger with no fear and a great deal of skill. Evan Bouchard in 2018 (over Oliver Wahlstrom and Noah Dobson) is too soon to call but trending well. Philip Broberg was a curious choice.

Bottom line on Green in the first round: Puljujarvi was the right selection, no doubt in my mind. Yamamoto was inspired, Bouchard at the very least is poised to deliver substantial value. Broberg felt wrong but we’ll see. Oilers drafted well in four of five seasons, Broberg the outlier until proven otherwise.

Success in the second round. Tyler Benson is the one skater Green fretted over, he said something like it was not a restful sleep overnight waiting for round two. Ryan McLeod is kind of the opposite prospect type, fast and a center but worries about his offense exist. Olivier Rodrigue is one of the organization’s two best goalie prospects and coming off a season where he posted a .918SP in the diabolical QMJHL. Raphael Lavoie is the most recent selection and may be remembered as the best of the bunch. His outer marker is the most promising among the forwards in this group.

Bottom line on Green in the second round: Benson over Alex DeBrincat isn’t getting an easier in the Guide and Record Book but the player continues to matriculate and I think he’s going to have a career unless Holland and Tippett find him wanting. McLeod looks like a nice pick from here, I love his speed and the offense was better than expected in year one pro. Rodrigue and Lavoie are good arrows now, but early days.

Success in the third round. I don’t know how the Oilers line up their list but in 2016 the team had three third-round picks and used all of them on defensemen who were going to take some time: Markus Niemelainen, Matthew Cairns and Filip Berglund. That’s a strange play. In 2017 Edmonton traded up for Stuart Skinner and then drafted Dmitri Samorukov later in the round. Ilya Konovalov was an astute, I’ll say inspired choice, in its own way as innovative as Yamamoto in the first round. He’s close to NHL-ready, has two solid to excellent KHL seasons on his resume and his only crime is being a little smaller than ideal.

Bottom line on Green in the third round. I remain flummoxed by the usage of the three 2016 third rounders, but Niemelainen and Berglund signed and one of them (Berglund) might just make it. Green seemed to be focused on Skinner in the same way he was Benson, suspect WHL bias might have been involved (I’m not being critical I’m the same way but it can lead to blind spots). Samorukov was an impressive pick, you could argue that was first-round value, or at least top-40 value. I’m impressed with Konovalov one year in.

Success in projecting. After the third round, teams are asking scouts to find players who can be projected into future roles despite having been found lacking in one way or another. The 2015 draft can’t be completely credited to Green (he was officially director of player personnel) but he was part of the scouting staff that shaped the list. The scouts found Caleb Jones, Ethan Bear and John Marino after round three in 2015. Music! So, I’m giving some credit here, your mileage may vary. Kirill Maksimov and Phil Kemp, plus Michael Kesselring and Matej Blumel, may one day join the 2015 trio.

OILERS SCOUTS 2014-15

  • Bob Green: Director of Player Personnel
  • [Stu MacGregor: Head Amateur Scout]-FIRED BEFORE 2015 DRAFT
  • Bill Dandy: QMJHL
  • [Brad Davis: OHL, tier 2 leagues]-FIRED BEFORE 2015 DRAFT
  • [Kent Hawley: OHL, QMJHL]-FIRED BEFORE 2015 DRAFT
  • Bob Brown: WHL (and BCJHL based on media comments)
  • Jim Crosson: WHL 
  • Scott Harlow: NCAA and American junior leagues (east coast)
  • Frank Musil: Europe
  • Pelle Eklund: Europe
  • Robert Nordmark: Europe
  • Joseph Cucci: Year three, don’t know his area but it might be New England
  • Dave Heitz: Year three, goalie scout
  • Matti Virmanen: Oilers rely on him, gets mentioned a lot in media 
  • Sylvain Rodrigue: Year two, goalies.

OILERS 2015 DRAFT

  • Round 1, No. 1 overall: C Connor McDavid (351 NHL games)
  • Round 4, No. 117 overall: LD Caleb Jones (60 NHL games)
  • Round 5, No. 124 overall: RD Ethan Bear (89 NHL games)
  • Round 6, No. 154 overall: RD John Marino (56 NHL games)
  • Round 7, No. 208 overall: G Miroslav Svoboda.
  • Round 7, No. 209 overall: LD Ziyat Paigin.

OILERS 2016 DRAFT

  • Round 1, No. 4 overall: R Jesse Puljujarvi (139 NHL games)
  • Round 2, No. 32 overall: L Tyler Benson (7 NHL games)
  • Round 3, No. 63 overall: LD Markus Niemelainen.
  • Round 3, No. 84 overall: LD Matthew Cairns.
  • Round 4, No. 91 overall: RD Filip Berglund.
  • Round 5, No. 123 overall: G Dylan Wells.
  • Round 5, No. 149 overall: L Graham McPhee.
  • Round 6, No. 153 overall: RC Aapeli Rasanen.
  • Round 7, No. 183 overall: RD Vincent DeSharnais.

OILERS 2017 DRAFT

  • Round 1, No. 22 overall: R Kailer Yamamoto (53 NHL games).
  • Round 3, No. 78 overall: G Stuart Skinner.
  • Round 3, No. 84 overall: LD Dmitri Samorukov.
  • Round 4, No. 115 overall: L Ostap Safin.
  • Round 5, No. 146 overall: R Kirill Maksimov.
  • Round 6, No. 177 overall: LC Skyler Brind’Amour.
  • Round 7, No. 208 overall: RD Phillip Kemp.

OILERS 2018 DRAFT

  • Round 1, No. 10 overall: RD Evan Bouchard (7 NHL games)
  • Round 2, No. 40 overall: LC Ryan McLeod.
  • Round 2, No. 62 overall: G Olivier Rodrigue.
  • Round 6, No. 164 overall: RD Michael Kesselring.
  • Round 7, No. 195 overall: L Patrick Siikanen.

OILERS 2019 DRAFT

  • Round 1, No. 8 overall: LD Philip Broberg
  • Round 2, No. 38 overall: RC Raphael Lavoie
  • Round 3, No. 85 overall: G Ilya Konovalov
  • Round 4, No. 100 overall: L Matej Blumel
  • Round 6, No. 162 overall: RC Tomas Mazura
  • Round 7, No. 193 overall: LC Maxim Denezhkin

BOB GREEN’S REPORT CARD

As is the case with any scouting director/head scout, the decision on first-round selections is often made at a higher pay grade. McDavid was a no-brainer, Broberg felt like a Holland pick (remember, he would know both DRW and Oilers lists).

In between, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto and Bouchard are talented players with skill. I think Green and his men handed quality talent to the organization in the first round. After that, most of the picks inside the top 100 were players who had/have a chance to make it to the NHL.

If the goal is two NHL players per year, and we give Green credit for being part of the 2015 draft process (he was), that means 10 NHL players gets him a pass. McDavid, Jones, Bear, Marino, Yamamoto are already there. Bouchard, Broberg and a nice group of second-round picks should get Green close to 10.

Green will be remembered for the Griffin Reinhart trade, and for not drafting Alex DeBrincat.

My Grade: We’ll know more in 2024, but for me Green’s record shows innovation (Yamamoto, Konovalov) and very little ‘death valley’ clusters of five or six names that are destined to deliver zero NHL games. I give Green a “B” and would suggest he had a more successful run than MacGregor and Kevin Prendergast. Comparing anyone to Barry Fraser is crazy, because he delivered an all-time best draft cluster 1979-83 before settling in for a long and mediocre coda. Green did a good job. That’s my opinion.

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OriginalPouzar

I have reservation with the switch in amateur procurement. I would say that, while every team has draft wins and loses, on aggregate, Tyler Wright’s record is more “meh” than that of Green/Gretzky in recent years.

Time will tell how it goes.

I’m 100% on board with Archie Henderson taking over pro scouting – any change in pro scouting has to be a win.

N64

@TSNBobMcKenzie
It’s my understanding NHLPA conference call tonight was spirited if not raucous. While exec committee voting won’t be finalized until Friday, some believe Don Fehr may already have or will get the mandate to accept NHL RTP plan but not overwhelmingly so.

Cautionary note. The PA will likely want a strong consensus. Conversely if specific issues can increase that consensus that may give Fehr more leverage to push Bettman on those specifics.

OriginalPouzar

Whoa – citing that taking Bouchard over Dobson is “trending well” could be questioned by some non-Oiler fans on this board. Dobson was in the NHL last year remember. Of course, he was healthy scratched for half the year and was only in the NHL b/c the AHL wasn’t an option, but the facts aren’t necessarily important….

Oil2Oilers

Remember the long, long debates in these parts on shot quality? In which people trying to understand the effects of puck possession, using an imperfect but available metric, talked passed people who were focused on goal scoring and were blind to anything but. Anyways I am happy that all is now settled and we can move on to other battles.

The reason I bring this up is a video I saw this morning of a reopened Bucks training facility. They have painted expected points per shot info onto the court from different locations.

comment image

I love this idea. One of my favorite war stories for my information systems days, was the most effective warehouse.managment system I ever installed involved a bucket of paint and lines on the warehouse floor. Good information can inform good coaching.

OriginalPouzar

WIth respect to the NHLP exec voting on format of return to play, lets not forget that its just the format being agreed to and there will still be a ton of other logistics to negotiate and agree to (testing, quarantine/bubble situations, etc.).

This is just format of play matters – I believe.

Ben

OriginalPouzar,

A sliver of luck separates savants from imbeciles at the draft. The defining factor is values.

The Broberg pick tells us that Holland doesn’t care to draft early for need, which is good. But it suggests some murky things about what he values in a player (poise? position? jawline?). I’d love to hear the rationale on that pick, however it turns out.

I suspect Broberg is more Nurse than Nurse, which is not a bad thing. May not bring as much physicality or offense.

N64

OriginalPouzar: This is just format of play matters – I believe

Sure, but if the Bobfather is correct about Fehr potentially getting a weak mandate that could actually give Fehr more leverage with Gary at the next step to get something that would bring more players on board. #goodcopbadcop

flea

Sounds like the Oilers will get the Hawks in the proposed play in. Not sure I love this system – who knows what could happen. I think the Hawks are the best option, but I prefered the round robin format when they would play all the other teams and would really have to fall flat to get bumped out. At worst, they would get bumped down.

It’ll be a fun series at least, hopefully the Oilers can get through as they would get the 4 seed in round 2.

Darth Tu

OriginalPouzar: @TSNBobMcKenzie
It’s my understanding NHLPA conference call tonight was spirited if not raucous. While exec committee voting won’t be finalized until Friday, some believe Don Fehr may already have or will get the mandate to accept NHL RTP plan but not overwhelmingly so.

Let me first state that I’m more on the side of the players in any arguments over sporting merit.

Now, let me talk from the league’s perspective. If they’ve decided they need the Chicago/NYR/Montreal markets in any TV playoffs for revenue purposes it’s probably going to happen. Whether those teams are currently outside the playoffs in a standard year is moot. All the league has to do is push for a flat or reduced cap for next season and all of a sudden, the big ticket FAs (ahem, Hall) aren’t very likely to see the big contracts they were hoping for, or are seeing their choice of destination severely reduced.

In the end money will win out. I love the romanticism of sport, but as we all know, it’s a business.

defmn

Bob Green is the only Oilers’ scout I have ever had a chance to talk to.

It was in Penticton at the rookie tournament in 2013 the year they tried to sign Tkachev who must have been 130 pounds soaking wet. I can still see him in my mind walking along the lake shore with Yakimov who towered over him.

The conversation was about smaller players because Tkachev was tearing it up at the tournament and Green was a big fan. I offered the opinion that I had nothing against small players but wasn’t a fan of small teams.

Green nodded, “Exactly.”

I’ll bet he regrets the miss on DeBrincat to this day but I will also bet that if he had chosen him there would be no Yamomoto.

dustrock

Darth Tu: Let me first state that I’m more on the side of the players in any arguments over sporting merit.

Now, let me talk from the league’s perspective. If they’ve decided they need the Chicago/NYR/Montreal markets in any TV playoffs for revenue purposes it’s probably going to happen.Whether those teams are currently outside the playoffs in a standard year is moot. All the league has to do is push for a flat or reduced cap for next season and all of a sudden, the big ticket FAs (ahem, Hall) aren’t very likely to see the big contracts they were hoping for, or are seeing their choice of destination severely reduced.

In the end money will win out. I love the romanticism of sport, but as we all know, it’s a business.

I think this is fair, especially as teams aren’t going to get the extra money from the playoff ticket sellouts and concession, not to mention merchandise.

Harpers Hair

A couple of weeks ago, I posted what has become a driving force behind the return to play…local TV contracts.

It seems some of these regional deals include a clause that the broadcaster can roll over their rights to next season without payment to the teams if this season is not completed to their satisfaction and there is a lot of money at stake,

For example, MSG Network pays the Rangers $35 million to broadcast their games.

Similar deals exist in Chicago, Montreal and others.

One would think those teams would get massive viewership should they be involved in a 24 team playoff tournament.

Darth Tu

Harpers Hair,

Yup, which factors into cap decisions for next year. If I’m a pending free agent I can see the lure of voting in favour of playoffs for all teams not mathematically eliminated after 68 games.

Does that mean crappy teams are getting in? Yes it does. Does it make a payday more likely in the long run? Yes it does.

I think you were posting about expanded rosters early on as well? Or was it OP? Again from a players point of view, all of the AHL guys who are on the cusp of a call up with a 2 way contract would surely be jumping at the chance for 24 teams to make it in.

defmn

As I mentioned in yesterday’s thread the push for 24 teams could just as easily have come from the players as from the league. Revenue sharing tends to make for mutual interest in money matters.

JimmyV1965

I have zero issue with a 24-team format. Some teams will benefit and some will be hurt. However, any team included in the new playoff format should automatically be excluded from the playoff lottery.

Harpers Hair

TSN radio in Vancouver has an interview with Shea Webber coming up.

Will report.

jtblack

Harpers Hair,

“One would think those teams would get massive viewership should they be involved in a 24 team playoff tournament.”

I was thinking about this …. . do we think viewership will be higher?

1) the playoffs will be happening in the middle of summer ….
2) other sports will be back as well (golf, nba, nfl (September)
3) the viewing of an NHL game without fans, may lack the traditional pop of a game with a raucious playoff crowd and turn some people away ….
4) NHL will have been off for 4 months. When past lockouts or disruptions have occurred, a % of people never come back and others come back slowly …

I am interested to see how viewership is when the NHL resumes … Just curious what others think?

jtblack

JimmyV1965:
I have zero issue with a 24-team format. Some teams will benefit and some will be hurt. However, any team included in the new playoff format should automatically be excluded from the playoff lottery.

+1. makes no sense that a team can be in the playoffs and still have a chance at #1 overall ..

Harpers Hair

jtblack:
Harpers Hair,

“One would think those teams would get massive viewership should they be involved in a 24 team playoff tournament.”

I was thinking about this …. . do we think viewership will be higher?

1)the playoffs will be happening in the middle of summer ….
2)other sports will be back as well (golf, nba, nfl (September)
3)the viewing of an NHL game without fans, may lack the traditional pop of a game with a raucious playoff crowd and turn some people away ….
4) NHL will have been off for 4 months.When past lockouts or disruptions have occurred, a % of people never come back and others come back slowly …

I am interested to see how viewership is when the NHL resumes …Just curious what others think?

Very different times.

Of course any number of viewers is better than none.

N64

jtblack:
Harpers Hair,

“One would think those teams would get massive viewership should they be involved in a 24 team playoff tournament.”

I was thinking about this …. . do we think viewership will be higher?

1)the playoffs will be happening in the middle of summer ….
2)other sports will be back as well (golf, nba, nfl (September)
3)the viewing of an NHL game without fans, may lack the traditional pop of a game with a raucious playoff crowd and turn some people away ….
4) NHL will have been off for 4 months.When past lockouts or disruptions have occurred, a % of people never come back and others come back slowly …

I am interested to see how viewership is when the NHL resumes …Just curious what others think?

For Gary and the PA the important thing is simply that the rightsholders accept the substitute menu from Gary and pay up without conditions on actual tv ratings.

jtblack

N64: For Gary and the PA the important thing is simply that the rightsholders accept the substitute menu from Gary and pay up without conditions on actual tv ratings.

the Networks are starving for content, so I think they will be Happy with anything ….

Consumers are hungry for content as well, but I am interested to see if that turns into “MORE” viewership …

Harpers Hair

Shea Weber from Kelowna:

Excited to get back.

Has been training but looking for ice.

No teams have momentum so upsets likely.

Hot goaltending a key.

No other way to do this.

Worried about injuries with condensed schedule.

Will need to expand rosters.

Not much insight.

Darth Tu

jtblack: +1.makes no sense that a team can be in the playoffs and still havea chance at #1 overall ..

Or alternatively make it all 31 teams in the lottery.

Darth Tu

Harpers Hair:
Shea Weber from Kelowna:

Excited to get back.

Has been training but looking for ice.

No teams have momentum so upsets likely.

Hot goaltending a key.

No other way to do this.

Worried about injuries with condensed schedule.

Will need to expand rosters.

Not much insight.

On the injury thing, you’ve got to think that the younger teams are going to have a real advantage in this area. Obviously a broken bone is a broken bone, but the chances of a muscle pull/tear is far lower for the young guys than the elderly players.

Goalie injuries are the big fear (same as it ever was).

Elgin R

Green’s picks when he was given control in the later rounds look good (Bear, Jones, Marino). The horrible trades were not on him. So, he did OK with what he had. I would grade him a B just for the defencemen from 2015.

Does it suck for the Oilers who are in 2nd place in their division to have to play a ‘play in game’? Yes it does. However, I don’t care as they would be in the playoffs and we have not had enough of that lately. So to get to the 3rd round we have to beat Chicago and Dallas – the Oilers can do this.

GOG

godot10

flea:
Sounds like the Oilers will get the Hawks in the proposed play in. Not sure I love this system – who knows what could happen. I think the Hawks are the best option, but I prefered the round robin format when they would play all the other teams and would really have to fall flat to get bumped out. At worst, they would get bumped down.

It’ll be a fun series at least, hopefully the Oilers can get through as they would get the 4 seed in round 2.

A five game playoff series, when one has McDavid and Draisaitl, is preferable to round robin play.

JimmyV1965

jtblack:
Harpers Hair,

“One would think those teams would get massive viewership should they be involved in a 24 team playoff tournament.”

I was thinking about this …. . do we think viewership will be higher?

1)the playoffs will be happening in the middle of summer ….
2)other sports will be back as well (golf, nba, nfl (September)
3)the viewing of an NHL game without fans, may lack the traditional pop of a game with a raucious playoff crowd and turn some people away ….
4) NHL will have been off for 4 months.When past lockouts or disruptions have occurred, a % of people never come back and others come back slowly …

I am interested to see how viewership is when the NHL resumes …Just curious what others think?

I think viewership in every Canadian market will likely set records. In the U.S., viewership will be different in every market. As long as a city has a team in the fight, and they aren’t competing with the NBA, viewership would be very very high. I could be wrong about this, but my sense is New York sports fans would likely watch the Rangers in the playoffs over the Mets playing regular season games. Of course, I’m sure there’s a big group of New York sports fans who just have no interest in the NHL.

PennersPancakes

Blackhawks with their experience and stars do cause some concern. Any team with Kane and Toews is going to be a bitch. The one caveat is that the Stanley Cup core is aging fast and have had played more post season games than the average team.

Ages starting the season
Kane – 30
Toews – 31
Keith – 36
Seabrook – 34
Crawford – 34

The young guns: Debrincat, Kubalik, Dach, Boqvist, Nylander will have some kick but none have playoff experience.

Goaltending matters most in the playoffs and after unloading Lehner Chiacgo has Crawford (who has had a nice bounce back season this year) and Subban (who doesnt inspire much confidence). Where as Kosk and Smith have both shown they can get hot in spurts.

The deal breakers for me are McDavid/Drai (cheat codes) and the Oilers defense depth. If Seabrook didnt fall off a cliff and De Haan wasnt broken it would be closer but Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Bear, Russell, Jones, Benning, Green, Lagesson are all NHL options. None are a true #1 but I’m not sure if Keith is one anymore anyways.

And theres always Bouchard as the black ace.

JimmyV1965

Darth Tu: Or alternatively make it all 31 teams in the lottery.

Depending on the set up, this could be grossly unfair to teams like Detroit and Ottawa. Maybe you have a system that doesn’t impact the odds of the bottom eight teams.

jtblack

JimmyV1965,

“I think viewership in every Canadian market will likely set records.”

expand on why you think that?

in a regular playoffs, the viewership it what it is – “normal”

So why will this playoffs create more viewers? because the 15,000 ppl at the rink are at home? lots of ppl who would be watching at bars may be watching at home?

Viewership could be up. we just don’t know …

I will be watching as long as Edm is in, but let’s just say Edm lost out to Chi in Round 1. There is a good chance I don’t watch another game …

jtblack

Darth Tu,

“On the injury thing, you’ve got to think that the younger teams are going to have a real advantage in this area. Obviously a broken bone is a broken bone, but the chances of a muscle pull/tear is far lower for the young guys than the elderly players. ”

This is true. The flip side, as a normal season wears on, the older guys struggle to stay healthy. All of a sudden now, an aging team like Chicago shows up for a playoff series and EVERYONE of their guys is 100% healthy. To me that’s an advantage for them …

JimmyV1965

PennersPancakes:
Blackhawks with their experience and stars do cause some concern. Any team with Kane and Toews is going to be a bitch. The one caveat is that the Stanley Cup core is aging fast and have had played more post season games than the average team.

Ages starting the season
Kane – 30
Toews – 31
Keith – 36
Seabrook – 34
Crawford – 34

The young guns: Debrincat, Kubalik, Dach, Boqvist, Nylander will have some kick but none have playoff experience.

Goaltending matters most in the playoffs and after unloading Lehner Chiacgo has Crawford (who has had a nice bounce back season this year) and Subban (who doesnt inspire much confidence). Where as Kosk and Smith have both shown they can get hot in spurts.

The deal breakers for me are McDavid/Drai (cheat codes) and the Oilers defense depth. If Seabrook didnt fall off a cliff and De Haan wasnt broken it would be closer but Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Bear, Russell, Jones, Benning, Green, Lagesson are all NHL options. None are a true #1 but I’m not sure if Keith is one anymore anyways.

And theres always Bouchard as the black ace.

The Oilers should beat the Hawks, but I see them as one of the most unpredictable teams entering the playoffs. I won’t be totally blown away if they make the final and I won’t be shocked if they lose in the first round.

With McDavid, Drai, RNH, and the overall depth of their defence, they could be a handful for some really good teams. But I have no idea what we will get with goaltending. Koskinen and Smith could fall flat on their face. Or be stars.

Early, early wild and likely baseless prediction; Darnell Nurse establishes himself as a dominating, punishing dman who is essential to the Oilers success.

Harpers Hair

“Want to make the play-in really interesting? Loser gets the first-round draft pick of the winner. Example: If Montreal beats Pittsburgh, or Chicago beats Edmonton, the Penguins/Oilers go where the Canadiens/Blackhawks would have originally chosen (eighth and ninth, respectively). Yes, there are complications with Arizona (first-round spot tied up in the Taylor Hall trade) and Vancouver (first-round selection linked to New Jersey via Tampa in the J.T. Miller/Blake Coleman deals), but these can be worked out.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-whats-holding-nhl-playoffs-proposal/

jp

Ben:
OriginalPouzar,

The Broberg pick tells us that Holland doesn’t care to draft early for need, which is good. But it suggests some murky things about what he values in a player (poise? position? jawline?). I’d love to hear the rationale on that pick, however it turns out.

The rationale is simple, no? 6’3′ 200lb D who skates like the wind and has (at times) shown the ability to take over games. He wasn’t the consensus pick at #8 but the upside clearly has immense value.

jtblack

Harpers Hair:
“Want to make the play-in really interesting? Loser gets the first-round draft pick of the winner. Example: If Montreal beats Pittsburgh, or Chicago beats Edmonton, the Penguins/Oilers go where the Canadiens/Blackhawks would have originally chosen (eighth and ninth, respectively). Yes, there are complications with Arizona (first-round spot tied up in the Taylor Hall trade) and Vancouver (first-round selection linked to New Jersey via Tampa in the J.T. Miller/Blake Coleman deals), but these can be worked out.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-whats-holding-nhl-playoffs-proposal/

what’s the point of that? That system is punishing a team for winning??

Harpers Hair

jp: The rational is simple, no? 6’3′ 200lb D who skates like the wind and has (at times) shown the ability to take over games. He wasn’t the consensus pick at #8 but the upside clearly has immense value.

You know who was also 6’2″ 210 and could skate like the wind?

Steve Kelly.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=17658

JimmyV1965

jtblack:
JimmyV1965,

“I think viewership in every Canadian market will likely set records.”

expand on why you think that?

in a regular playoffs, the viewership it what it is – “normal”

So why will this playoffs create more viewers?because the 15,000 ppl at the rink are at home?lots of ppl who would be watching at bars may be watching at home?

Viewership could be up. we just don’t know …

I will be watching as long as Edm is in, but let’s just say Edm lost out to Chi in Round 1. There is a good chance I don’t watch another game …

I could be wrong, but my sense is people are starved for content, and basically anything to distract them from the covid crisis. The NHL is the national sport and the resumption of play will draw more fans than ever. People who would normally be meh about watching will be more interested than usual. For me, if Edmonton loses in the first round, I’ll still be very interested in what happens, more so than usual.

jp

Harpers Hair: You know who was also 6’2″ 210 and could skate like the wind?

Steve Kelly.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=17658

Sigh.

I know who Steve Kelly is.

dustrock

Does the rest help or hurt vets like Keith, Toews and Kane?

defmn

Harpers Hair: You know who was also 6’2″ 210 and could skate like the wind?

Steve Kelly.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=17658

You stealing my material now? 😉

Darth Tu

JimmyV1965: Depending on the set up, this could be grossly unfair to teams like Detroit and Ottawa. Maybe you have a system that doesn’t impact the odds of the bottom eight teams.

Oh yeah, make it completely unlikely that whoever wins the Stanley has a real shot at the pick. You can weight it so that Ottawa has a decent chance at a top 3 pick.

Darth Tu

jtblack: what’s the point of that? That system is punishing a team for winning??

Isn’t punishing teams for winning exactly what the draft system does already?

PennersPancakes

dustrock:
Does the rest help or hurt vets like Keith, Toews and Kane?

In the latest spitting chiclets they brought up rest and I think it was Biz who thinks the vets will get hurt harder. Something along the lines the young kids have had a much more structured routine growing up and need less time in general to get into game shape.

I think how dilligent/motivated the player is will play a larger role but if you have 2 players with a ~10 year gap keeping up on their training, I would put money on the young gun coming back better.

Dallas will be an interesting team to watch depending on if they get a bye or some warm up games.

Benn 30
Radulov 33
Pavelski 35
Perry 34

Im unsure on Radulov but the other werent strong skaters coming into the break…

jp

defmn:
It sounds promising to my epidemiologically illiterate brain.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31208-3/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

I’m semi-literate and it does sound promising for sure. I’m not sure that using a viral vector to deliver the antigen/vaccine is approved in the west though… Anyone else know?

Kert

Harpers Hair: You know who was also 6’2″ 210 and could skate like the wind?

Steve Kelly.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=17658

Pop quiz, who scored more goals in the NHL, Steve Kelly or JFJ?

tileguy

Apples to oranges I know, but shows how people are starved for content.

https://racer.com/2020/05/20/tv-ratings-big-numbers-for-nascars-return-at-darlington/

NASCAR’s return to racing last Sunday at Darlington figured to put up big TV numbers in a world still largely on lockdown, and didn’t disappoint. The Real Heroes 400, run without spectators, averaged a 3.71 household rating and 6.3 million viewers on FOX Sunday, which made it the highest rated and most-watched Cup Series race outside of the Daytona 500 since Atlanta in 2017 (3.8/6.6m). It also represented a 38% increase over the last race at Phoenix on March 8, before the lockdown began.
Sunday’s race easily topped the rest of the weekend’s sports events, including Sunday’s live charity golf event on NBC, which ranked second with a 1.47/2.32m.

N64

“Just under a third of businesses are now fully open, up from 21 per cent a month ago. Alberta, Manitoba and New Brunswick now have the greatest number of small firms fully open”

AB 47% MB 44% NB 44%
PEI 40% SK 39% PQ 38% BC 33%
NS 27% ON 26% NL 22%

https://www.cfib-fcei.ca/en/media/news-releases/cfib-news-release-50-cent-more-small-businesses-now-fully-open-provincial

The BC Phase 2 openings that started Tuesday will obviously bring BC up in the next survey. Western provinces have not been hit as hard which has helped.

Hitman77

Below is McKeen’s final draft rankings. Looks like we might be able to squeeze out a useful forward if a few d-men get drafted ahead of us.

1.)Alexis Lafreniere, LW
2.)Tim Stutzle, C
3.)Quinton Byfield, C
4.)Lucas Raymond, LW
5.)Jake Sanderson, D
6.)Jamie Drysdale, D
7.)Alexander Holtz, RW
8.)Cole Perfetti, LW
9.)Marco Rossi, C
10.)Jack Quinn, RW
11.)Yaroslav Askarov, G
12.)Seth Jarvis, RW
13.)Dawson Mercer, C
14.)Kaiden Guhle, D
15.)Braden Schneider, D
16.)Anton Lundell, C
17.)John-Jason Peterka, LW
18.)Connor Zary, C
19.)Noel Gunler, RW
20.)Hendrix Lapierre, C
21.)Brendan Brisson, C
22.)Mavrik Bourque, C
23.)Jake Neighbours, LW
24.)Ridly Greig, C
25.)Rodion Amirov, LW
26.)Dylan Holloway, C
27.)Jan Mysak, C

PennersPancakes

Hitman77,

Would be interesting to see a table with Future Considerations, McKeen, Central Scouting and Elite Prospects grouped together.

McKeen definitely has a bit more variety to his list, seems like theres enough talent 5-20 could almost go in any order.