It was 30 years ago today!

I have it on DVD and will probably watch it today. 30 years ago the Edmonton Oilers won their 5th Stanley. It was a delightful experience, because (unlike the other 4) it didn’t feel inevitable.

THE ATHLETIC!

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The first Stanley was about a young team coming together and using their talent for the greater good. Less 99 driving opponents to madness (although that happened too), and more about positioning and finishing your checks. Call it lessons learned from the Miracle on Manchester.

The second Stanley was about destiny, with the Oilers losing Game 1 and then riding Gretzky, Coffey and Fuhr (stopped two penalty shots) to a 5 game victory. PS1 is here and PS2 is here.

The third one was about really worrying. The Oilers won the Stanley, but Ron Hextall damn near stole the thing and that’s the truth. It took all seven games, and the memory of the 1986 disappointment kept creeping back into my brain like a Poe story, but Glenn Anderson ripped a shot past Ron Hextall late in the third and a joyous summer was secured.

The fourth one was a sweep over Boston. In 5 games. You could look it up.

The fifth one is the one I cherish more than any save the first one. Why? You have to remember this was not the dynasty team. Here are the names on the Stanley from 1990:

Glenn Anderson, Jeff Beukeboom, Dave Brown, Kelly Buchberger, Grant Fuhr, Martin Gelinas, Adam Graves, Randy Gregg, Charlie Huddy, Petr Klima, Jari Kurri, Mark Lamb, Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish, Mark Messier CAPTAIN, Craig Muni, Joe Murphy, Bill Ranford, Eldon “Pokey” Reddick, Reijo Ruotsalainen, Craig Simpson, Geoff Smith, Steve Smith, Esa Tikkanen.
Peter Pocklington OWNER, Glen Sather PRESIDENT/GENERAL MANAGER, John Muckler COACH

Gretzky and Coffey aren’t on this team and there are many others who contributed to the dynasty that were long gone. It was an unusual run in that many of the impact players (Ranford, Simpson, in one game Klima) arrived after the first Stanley.

My most vivid memory of 1990 isn’t even part of the finals. It was Mark Messier’s performance in Chicago earlier in the playoffs (he was other worldly on this day, exactly as I’d read Rocket Richard was another glorious time in hockey history–wild eyed, the other side of crazy and possibly not thinking clearly) that sealed the season. From Legends of Hockey:

In the playoffs, with the Oilers down 2-1 in games to the Chicago Blackhawks in the semifinals, Messier took over in the fourth game, scoring two goals and collecting two assists in Edmonton’s 4-2 road win. His one-man display impressed everyone who watched, Chicago players, coaches and fans included, and his all-time performance spurred the Oilers. Edmonton swept the remaining games from Chicago and easily handled Bourque and the Bruins in the finals to give Messier his fifth Stanley Cup ring with Edmonton.

Mike Keenan (Chicago’s coach) said he knew the Blackhawks were up the creek when he saw Messier’s face in the pre-game skate. A lot happened between the 1988 victory and 1990:

August 9, 1988: After the Oilers traded Wayne Gretzky, John Muckler (who would win the 1990 Stanley as head coach) said “thank God I believe in life after death.”

The Oilers point totals dropped from 99 in 1987-88 to 84 in 1988-89. The Oilers entered the 89-90 season well outside the NHL’s elite teams.

Major playoff disappointments spring 1989 included Jimmy Carson, Esa Tikkanen, Craig Simpson and Glenn Anderson. Jimmy Carson requested a trade, or he would play out his option and sign as a free agent summer 1990. Esa Tikkanen and his agent (Rich Winter) were rumbling about heading out of town.

Grant Fuhr retired on June 8, saying he would sell cars in Wetaskiwin and citing Sather’s lack of respect for him as a leading cause for the retirement. (Don’t blame Fuhr, it was about salary and the Oilers were badly underpaying him).

Edmonton had a veteran group and they had a terrific goalie tandem (Fuhr and Ranford). Ranford would win the Smythe after starting the playoffs very badly.

And they won. The Boys On The Bus were still the heart of the team, but a major part of the 1990 story comes from names like Ranford, Simpson, Gelinas, Murphy, Reijo Ruotsalainen. Lordy Reijo Ruotsalainen. His playoff totals spring 1990? 22gp, 2-11-13 +13.

I’ll never forget spring 1990.

SCORING, 1990 FINALS

  1. Craig Simpson 5, 4-4-8
  2. Jari Kurri 5, 3-5-8
  3. Glenn Anderson 5, 3-4-7
  4. Esa Tikkann 5, 3-2-5
  5. Mark Messier 5, 0-5-5
  6. Joe Murphy 5, 2-2-4
  7. Steve Smith 5, 1-2-3
  8. Mark Lamb 5, 0-3-3
  9. Adam Graves 5, 2-0-2
  10. Craig MacTavish 5, 0-2-2
  11. Reijo Ruotsalainen 5, 0-2-2
  12. Petr Klima 5, 1-0-1
  13. Martin Gelinas 5, 0-1-1
  14. Randy Gregg 5, 0-1-1
  15. Kevin Lowe 5, 0-0-0
  16. Craig Muni 5, 0-0-0
  17. Kelly Buchberger 5, 0-0-0
  18. Charlie Huddy 5, 0-0-0
  19. Bill Ranford 5, 1.35 .949

OTTAWA’S PICKS

One of the teams Edmonton may want to do business with in attempts to gather draft picks is the Ottawa Senators. Now that we have confirmation that the league will use winning percentage for the standings, we can safely project the Senators draft picks. Before the lottery, they are: Nos. 2, 3, 21, 33, 48, 52, 55, 64, 74, 95, 151, 158, 184. If the Oilers are shopping Jesse Puljujarvi and Ottawa is interested, perhaps one of these picks will land in Edmonton before draft day.

By the way, Edmonton’s picks are Nos. 20, 82, 144, 175, 206. That pick at No. 82 is the Neal pick so there are no guarantees the NHL will make a decision favoring Edmonton. Assume the worst and you’ll never be disappointed. One player who doesn’t get mentioned much in regard to a Jesse Puljujarvi trade is Dominik Bokk. He has been playing in the SHL for the past two seasons, with NHLE’s of 23.9 and 18.5. Most interesting is his even strength scoring:

  • 2018-19: 47 games, 2-11-13 in 10:26 per game (1.59)
  • 2019-20: 45 games, 8-4-12 in 11:07 per game (1.44)

Bokk is a fast player and turned 20 in February. The time is right to bring him over. The problem for Ken Holland involves comparing Bokk’s production with that of Puljujarvi in the Liiga. This is even strength:

  • 2019-20: 56 games, 16-22-38 in 15:16 per game (2.67)

The SHL is a better league than the Liiga, but NHLE awards Puljujarvi 35.1 compared to Bokk’s much lower totals. Here are some other prospects and their even-strength totals:

  • Lias Andersson 2019-20 SHL: 15, 3-4-7 in 12:40 per game (2.21)
  • Casey Mittelstadt 2019-20 NHL: 31, 3-4-7 in 10:58 per game (1.23)

LOWETIDE FINAL LIST

On June 1 I’ll have the final 2020 list for you, it’s trending toward 125 in total. There is movement on the final list, very difficult to project European kids. I expect we’ll see some major draft steals in rounds two and three.

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136 Responses to "It was 30 years ago today!"

  1. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kurt Leavins with a nugget of note in his 9 thoughts this morning that I hadn’t seen reported elsewhere – Rene Fasel extended to Sept 2021. It was thought that Nicholson would be replacing him this winter but I guess Bob will be sticking around…..

  2. N64 says:

    Also in the morning tea leaves Lebrun says that 5 or 7 games for round one is still wide open and not confirmed by the first vote.

  3. Lowetide says:

    N64:
    Also in the morning tea leaves Lebrun says that 5 or 7 games for round one is still wide open and not confirmed by the first vote.

    Seven games much better.

  4. slopitch says:

    Using JP to get out of the Neal contract isnt talked about enough imo. Really hard to say whats reasonable on that front. Otherwise, I think JP to ottawa or Montreal is the best. Dont like trading with Carolina or Rangers. Avoid trading with smart gm’s ?

  5. N64 says:

    Lowetide: Seven games much better.

    The 5 game preliminary round era was pwned by hot goalies. First games losses by home teams against hot goalers was often fatal

  6. blainer says:

    My take on the play in.

    I think it could work out well. It will be a longer road to get to the cup but I like being up to speed rather than playing some meaningless games and then going into the the playoff’s.

    I think we knock out the Hawks pretty quick. I like our chances much better now that we are healthy.

    The emergence of Yammer has changed the Oilers. They now have the bonus of not having to play our two stars on the same line and makes us two lines deep. We are also a much faster team now. If we lose it will be the difference in goaltending.

    Expect a few upsets. Arizona is a team that could surprise. Kuemper is well rested and fully healed. He could pull a Binnington type of run. Price is another one to watch.

    If I was a betting man I would put my money on Colorado to win the cup though. That team is back to full health and very deep.

    Figuring out the draft order though will be tricky if teams like Edmonton get knocked out. No way the Hawks stay in their current spot.

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  8. JimmyV1965 says:

    Holy Hannah!!! The Senators have 10 picks in the top 100. That’s 10% of the picks. Eight of them in the top 64. Absolutely mind blowing. I wonder if that’s some kind of record. There might be a tad bit of pressure to get this draft right.

  9. JimmyV1965 says:

    The nice thing about the proposed schedule is the Oilers should be set up well in the second round if they can somehow beat the Hawks. They should play the worst team coming out of the round robin of the four conference leaders. Hopefully one of them is out of sync and not playing well after the long layoff. Beating the Hawks will be a huge challenge though.

  10. blainer says:

    The one thing that I think is rarely mentioned was the crazy schedule we had to finish off the season . I think we caught a break in that regard.

    The schedule was extremely difficult and certainly could have resulted in some injuries. I think this way we are fully rested and healthy and with lots of time to practice. That will be very important as there wasn’t going to be much practice before the season was interrupted.

    There are some teams that will benefit more than others from Covid. Teams that were injured like Colorado and teams with brutal schedules like the Oilers.

  11. Clarkenstein says:

    “Grant Fuhr retired on June 8, saying he would sell cars in Wetaskiwin”
    News to me!

  12. alberta bound edmonton says:

    What would it take to get Max Domi from Montreal. He loves the city but wants to play center and there is no room at the inn. There has been talk about trading him and I wonder if Holland would offer JP and Rafael Lavoie to the Habs for Domi. Lavoie is a Francophone and would be a hit in Montreal. Too much? Throw in Benning or Lagesson and get Montreal’s 39 or 40 pick. Domi is an RFA and is a .67 per game guy.

  13. Lowetide says:

    Clarkenstein:
    “Grant Fuhr retired on June 8, saying he would sell cars in Wetaskiwin”
    News to me!

    You’d think he could have caught on with Fuhr Ford!

  14. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Holy Hannah!!! The Senators have 10 picks in the top 100. That’s 10% of the picks. Eight of them in the top 64. Absolutely mind blowing. I wonder if that’s some kind of record. There might be a tad bit of pressure to get this draft right.

    Yes but with a cheap owner the only thing they’re going to be ending up should they succeed is elsewhere.

  15. hunter1909 says:

    alberta bound edmonton:
    What would it take to get Max Domi from Montreal. He loves the city but wants to play center and there is no room at the inn. There has been talk about trading him and I wonder if Holland would offer JP and Rafael Lavoie to the Habs for Domi. Lavoie is a Francophone and would be a hit in Montreal. Too much? Throw in Benning or Lagesson and get Montreal’s 39 or 40 pick. Domi is an RFA and is a .67 per game guy.

    Something abut cap issues means Domi isn’t coming to Edmonton. Oilers need young players like crazy, so Lavoie is technically worth more than Domi.

    Also, Holland isn’t Chiarelli/Lowe. In other words he’s not getting suckered into giving JP away for peanuts or otherwise dubious returns.

  16. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Both Dave Poulin and Sutter were able to get quality shots off before they were awarded a penalty shot.

    I thought that was the criteria for determining whether a penalty is a 2 minute infraction or a penalty shot.

  17. innercitysmytty says:

    I think N64 or someone else here mentioned this (apologies if I got this wrong), but there should be some benefit to the higher seeds for the play-in given they generally had a much better season, and better odds of making the traditional playoffs than the lower seeds. I get all the reasons for the expanded playoffs and the seeding approach overall and am fine with it, but don’t think Pitt and Mtl, etc should be starting from the same place. Have a 5 game series where the higher seed starts 1-0 to reward them for a better 69-74 games.

  18. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    The nice thing about the proposed schedule is the Oilers should be set up well in the second round if they can somehow beat the Hawks. They should play the worst team coming out of the round robin of the four conference leaders. Hopefully one of them is out of sync and not playing well after the long layoff. Beating the Hawks will be a huge challenge though.

    The Hawks get to see if they can channel a 3X cup mini dynasty over 3-5 measly games, is what Oilers need to worry about.

  19. hunter1909 says:

    innercitysmytty:
    I think N64 or someone else here mentioned this (apologies if I got this wrong), but there should be some benefit to the higher seeds for the play-in given they generally had a much better season, and better odds of making the traditional playoffs than the lower seeds. I get all the reasons for the expanded playoffs and the seeding approach overall and am fine with it, but don’t think Pitt and Mtl, etc should be starting from the same place. Have a 5 game series where the higher seed starts 1-0 to reward them for a better 69-74 games.

    I prefer the higher seed getting a 10 minute powerplay to end each game.

    Or else a bunch of penalty shots lol

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  21. godot10 says:

    alberta bound edmonton:
    What would it take to get Max Domi from Montreal. He loves the city but wants to play center and there is no room at the inn. There has been talk about trading him and I wonder if Holland would offer JP and Rafael Lavoie to the Habs for Domi. Lavoie is a Francophone and would be a hit in Montreal. Too much? Throw in Benning or Lagesson and get Montreal’s 39 or 40 pick. Domi is an RFA and is a .67 per game guy.

    Domi wants to be paid around $7 million per year.

    The Oilers need good cheap players, not expensive mediocre ones.

  22. innercitysmytty says:

    hunter1909: I prefer the higher seed getting a 10 minute powerplay to end each game.

    Or else a bunch of penalty shots lol

    Yeah that would certainly be more entertaining!

  23. JimmyV1965 says:

    alberta bound edmonton:
    What would it take to get Max Domi from Montreal. He loves the city but wants to play center and there is no room at the inn. There has been talk about trading him and I wonder if Holland would offer JP and Rafael Lavoie to the Habs for Domi. Lavoie is a Francophone and would be a hit in Montreal. Too much? Throw in Benning or Lagesson and get Montreal’s 39 or 40 pick. Domi is an RFA and is a .67 per game guy.

    I think he has a better chance playing centre with the Habs than the Oil.

  24. JimmyV1965 says:

    hunter1909: The Hawks get to see if they can channel a 3X cup mini dynasty over 3-5 measly games, is what Oilers need to worry about.

    I think we have the better team and Chicago’s defence is an absolute mess, but they’re rested and they know what it takes to win. This is far from a gimme. The Hawks will be very, very tough to beat. Looking forward to seeing Drai in the playoffs again though. He was so good last time and now he’s three years older.

  25. jjmclean says:

    I like Ottawa as a trade partner. What does JP and Russell get back from them? Two seconds?
    You would think Ottawa could use Russell as shelter and to get to the floor cheaply. Russell would have to waive though. Thoughts?

  26. jtblack says:

    “My most vivid memory of 1990 isn’t even part of the finals. It was Mark Messier’s performance in Chicago earlier in the playoffs (he was other worldly on this day, exactly as I’d read Rocket Richard was another glorious time in hockey history–wild eyed, the other side of crazy and possibly not thinking clearly) that sealed the season.”

    DOMINANT GAME. Remember watching that series & game. Messier had many Great games over his career, but that game and his 1994 gurantee were 2 of the Greatest, most clutch performances of all time.

  27. geowal says:

    I remember the 90 cup run best for the simple reason I was too young for the 88 cup (only very vague memory of Gretzky as an Oiler ?). I remember Messier, Klima, and Ranford the best, and Jeff Beukeboom, who it turns out I’m a distant (3rd removed?) cousin of. Never met him, but my Dad remembers the Beukeboom’s coming over on Sundays in Holland before Jeff’s Dad emigrated to Ontario.

  28. Harpers Hair says:

    jjmclean:
    I like Ottawa as a trade partner. What does JP and Russell get back from them? Two seconds?
    You would think Ottawa could use Russell as shelter and to get to the floor cheaply. Russell would have to waive though. Thoughts?

    Don’t think Ottawa will be eager to trade draft picks for D.

    There are tons of free agents about to hit the market at a time when FA signings will be constrained.

    Here’s a look.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/defense

  29. Hitman77 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Holy Hannah!!! The Senators have 10 picks in the top 100. That’s 10% of the picks. Eight of them in the top 64. Absolutely mind blowing. I wonder if that’s some kind of record. There might be a tad bit of pressure to get this draft right.

    Melynk is notoriously cheap. I wonder if he’d look at a possible trade of second round picks for JP and Kris Russell. Russell will have a $4M cap hit but is only taking home an actual salary of $1.5M next season. Might have to throw in a prospect from Edmonton’s side or take back a bad contract to make it work.

    Curious to see the 15 teams on Russell’s NMC/NTC.

  30. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: Domi wants to be paid around $7 million per year.

    The Oilers need good cheap players, not expensive mediocre ones.

    i would take Nuge any day over Domi. Signing anyone else at that price may spill the end of Nuge in Edmonton. For this to happen the bar has to be set much higher than Domi

  31. geowal says:

    Hitman77,

    You’d have to think Ottawa is underlined and bolded.

  32. Hitman77 says:

    geowal:
    Hitman77,

    You’d have to think Ottawa is underlined and bolded.

    Lol. Yes.

  33. maudite says:

    Yrah,it’s nuts. If I was them I’d honestly not trade any of them unless packaging to move up or down in draft. 3 years time start having a clear idea with literally a core all growing in same time.
    JimmyV1965,

  34. maudite says:

    8 picks top 64. Develop them with no panic on timelines. Crazy odds you are setting yourself up right to get out of ditch. With right longterm vision in mind

  35. Victoria Oil says:

    I would guess that there are 29 other teams besides the Oilers looking for a trade with Ottawa in order to get a pick or to dump salary.

  36. maudite says:

    2 C’s
    4 D
    1 goalie
    1 winger (if no C’s in range)

    Later picks however they fall

    Next two years likely still near bottom in lottery. Start looking how you might start turning 22-23 season with deep prospect pool.

    Fill roster with UFA late summer on crazy good deals to 1 yr cheap. Swap them at deadline as well next year.

    Stack the pool hard.

  37. Harpers Hair says:

    maudite:
    2 C’s
    4 D
    1 goalie
    1 winger (if no C’s in range)

    Later picks however they fall

    Next two years likely still near bottom in lottery.Start looking how you might start turning 22-23 season with deep prospect pool.

    Fill roster with UFA late summer on crazy good deals to 1 yr cheap.Swap them at deadline as well next year.

    Stack the pool hard.

    Odds are in their favour to win the lottery.

    Starting the draft with LaFreniere wold be a pretty good start.

  38. maudite says:

    For sure.

    4 1st
    7 2and round

    Next two drafts…that is crazy.

    Exactly why year 3 of this draft class seems good target to start planning on turning north.

    Harpers Hair,

  39. maudite says:

    2 high talent c’s and long track of D in pipeline.

    Light on wingers as they have shortest curves

  40. maudite says:

    I know laf is winger but that’s why I put 1 winger in rough plan. At high end it likely not really an option who they should choose. Just from there what would they be glad they had coming along that could play on same ice.

  41. Harpers Hair says:

    maudite:
    For sure.

    4 1st
    7 2and round

    Next two drafts…that is crazy.

    Exactly why year 3 of this draft class seems good target to start planning on turning north.

    Harpers Hair,

    Pretty good chance they could use that #33 pick and another second rounder to get another first round pick if there’s a player they really like.

  42. Harpers Hair says:

    maudite:
    2 high talent c’s and long track of D in pipeline.

    Light on wingers as they have shortest curves

    Two high end wingers…Formenton and Batherson already in the system and NHL ready.

    Centers Josh Norris and Logan Brown also look very promising.

    Thy could become a powerhouse very quickly if they sort out the D

  43. unca miltie says:

    Lowetide: You’d think he could have caught on with Fuhr Ford!

    Funny but a few of us car guys in Wetaskiwin were just talking about Grant’s foray in the car business in Wetaskiwin on Friday. I see him from time to time in Palm Springs, he is involved with the desert dunes golf course. Well designed course but in a terrible location. Can be very windy.
    FYI, his family sold Fuhr Ford in 1984.

  44. maudite says:

    <stthat what I'd be pumped for this round if I was them

    Perfectly setup rank all players trade up or down based on BPA and position.

  45. maudite says:

    Reverse of oilers plan. Every year always baffled at half ass committed on way or other.

    Every deadline theyd oddly keep a UFA or two.

    I may have it wrong but pretty sure year they traded smitty they kept sykora. Always seemed like they never were thinking out with any range.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    alberta bound edmonton:
    What would it take to get Max Domi from Montreal. He loves the city but wants to play center and there is no room at the inn. There has been talk about trading him and I wonder if Holland would offer JP and Rafael Lavoie to the Habs for Domi. Lavoie is a Francophone and would be a hit in Montreal. Too much? Throw in Benning or Lagesson and get Montreal’s 39 or 40 pick. Domi is an RFA and is a .67 per game guy.

    Montreal would be asking for Nurse. And if Domi is stuck on playing center I don’t see a fit… I’d love to see him on a line with McDavid however, and would consider exploring a trade if he would sign long-term for about what Nurse is making on his next deal.

  47. ArmchairGM says:

    jjmclean:
    I like Ottawa as a trade partner. What does JP and Russell get back from them? Two seconds?
    You would think Ottawa could use Russell as shelter and to get to the floor cheaply. Russell would have to waive though. Thoughts?

    I’ll drive Russell to the airport. I’d have to fly to AB first, but I think getting two 2nd for those guys would make it all worthwhile.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Nurse is finally set to break out and if he does he might be a monster player yet several Lowetide posters are falling over themselves to trade him for magic beans and other players lol

  49. ArmchairGM says:

    Victoria Oil:
    I would guess that there are 29 other teams besides the Oilers looking for a trade with Ottawa in order to get a pick or to dump salary.

    The only time Albertan’s are happy sending money to Ottawa!

  50. ArmchairGM says:

    hunter1909:
    Nurse is finally set to break out and if he does he might be a monster player yet several Lowetide posters are falling over themselves to trade him for magic beans and other players lol

    I’ve read every comment on this thread and nobody is “falling over themselves to trade (Nurse)”, not for magic beans or anything else.

  51. Harpers Hair says:

    maudite,

    Just looking further into their winger situation before the draft.

    Brady Tkachuk 20

    Colin White 23

    Anthony Duclair 24

    Drake Batherson 22

    Alex Formenton 20

    Rudolf Balcers 23

    Now, with Thomas Chabot and Erik Bransstrom as young D, they could turn things around pretty quickly.

  52. maudite says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Yeah…which is why I find it funny proposing hawking garbage to them.

    Like why would they bother with puji? You want a difficult winger whose already blown through his entry deal for what reason?

    Hard pass. I think we will take 2 best remaining D prospects in those slots…and sure if you add a pick maybe next years 2nd we will take russel for cap relief on your side (if he tips up NTC)

  53. maudite says:

    The rangers scenario makes sense. A package of problem/disappointment both ways with sweetener to balance percieved gap.

    Puji/lag

    (I’d rather dump russel than trade laggeson)

  54. Gerta Rauss says:

    I found the Woods/Mickelson match on Shaw cable if anyone is interested

    HLN network channel 37 on Shaw cable in BC

    It’s in low def but we have to make sacrifices in these trying times LoL

    It’s also a streamed product on the Turner app (and Bleacher report I believe)

  55. Harpers Hair says:

    maudite,

    Looking at some mock drafts pre-lottery and can see Ottawa selecting:

    #2 Quinton Byfield C

    #3 Jamie Drysdale D

    #21 Hendrix La Pierre C

    I wonder if they might try to swing a deal with the #21 pick, a second and a prospect to move up and take Marco Rossi from the Ottawa 67s.

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of money-puck, I am stoked that Caleb Jones is going to be one an extreme value contract next year and a non-ELC value contract – what a great signing that was by Holland.

  57. who says:

    jjmclean:
    I like Ottawa as a trade partner. What does JP and Russell get back from them? Two seconds?
    You would think Ottawa could use Russell as shelter and to get to the floor cheaply. Russell would have to waive though. Thoughts?

    There is a 99.9% chance that Ottawa is on Russells NO TRADE list.
    Other than that, the deal has merit.
    Personally I’m not too concerned whether Russell stays or goes. There’s only 1 more year left. I’d spend more time and energy trying to get rid of Neal.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    I was 13 years old when they won the cup in 1990 – yes, i was a MASSIVE Oilers fan back then as well but, of course, did not appreciate the magnitude of “yet another” Stanley Cup win.

    I look forward to witnessing a title run and victory as an adult – I came damn close in 2006 – my goodness, that was 14 years ago…..

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    N64:
    Also in the morning tea leaves Lebrun says that 5 or 7 games for round one is still wide open and not confirmed by the first vote.

    I’m not concerned about round 1 of the actual playoffs being 5 or 7. I don’t see how the extra two games would be material in the overall schedule and why they wouldn’t just go with 7 but I don’t think a best of 5 changes the integrity of the playoffs too much – I mean there were best of 5 series up an till the mid-80s.

    Confirming the play-in as a best of 5 (as oppossed to a potential best of 3) was massive though. A best of 3 is too susceptible to weird bounces, luck, etc. for me.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    slopitch:
    Using JP to get out of the Neal contract isnt talked about enough imo. Really hard to say whats reasonable on that front. Otherwise, I think JP to ottawa or Montreal is the best. Dont like trading with Carolina or Rangers. Avoid trading with smart gm’s

    A year ago lots of us were talking about using Bear to get out of the Lucic contract……..

    Admittedly, I was one of those (who though Bear had fallen behind both Jones and Lagesson – what the eff do I know????

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    blainer:
    My take on the play in.

    I think it could work out well. It will be a longer road to get to the cup but I like being up to speed rather than playing some meaningless games and then going into the the playoff’s.

    I think we knock out the Hawks pretty quick. I like our chances much better now that we are healthy.

    The emergence of Yammer has changed the Oilers. They now have the bonus of not having to play our two stars on the same line and makes us two lines deep. We are also a much faster team now. If we lose it will be the difference in goaltending.

    Expect a few upsets. Arizona is a team that could surprise. Kuemper is well rested and fully healed. He could pull a Binnington type of run. Price is another one to watch.

    If I was a betting man I would put my money on Colorado to win the cup though. That team is back to full health and very deep.

    Figuring out the draft order though will be tricky if teams like Edmonton get knocked out. No way the Hawks stay in their current spot.

    STL will be adding Tarasenko as well (I believe).

    CBJ Seth Jones and I think a few others.

  62. Gerta Rauss says:

    OriginalPouzar: STL will be adding Tarasenko as well (I believe).

    CBJ Seth Jones and I think a few others.

    Vancouver getting Markstrom back is huge- I thought the Canucks playoff chances were in peril prior to the Covid pause

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    An Oilers story-line leading in to game one will be the 3rd pairing:

    Jones vs. Rusty as 3LD.

    Benning vs. Green as 3RD.

    I prefer a Jones/Benning pair

    I think Coach T and Playfair will show us a Rusty/Green pair.

    Imagine, we are looking at Caleb Jones being a healthy scratch in the name of Rusty’s experience I would imagine.

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind Rusty at 3LD but I really think Caleb Jones was coming in to his own and had established himself as an every day NHL player.

    I think I like Mike Green less than many (most) on here but, year over year over year when Matt Benning is on the ice, the Oilers score more goals than the opposition – i like that.

  64. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I was 13 years old when they won the cup in 1990 – yes, i was a MASSIVE Oilers fan back then as well but, of course, did not appreciate the magnitude of “yet another” Stanley Cup win.

    I look forward to witnessing a title run and victory as an adult – I came damn close in 2006 – my goodness, that was 14 years ago…..

    By the law of averages you only have another 18 years to wait?

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    alberta bound edmonton:
    What would it take to get Max Domi from Montreal. He loves the city but wants to play center and there is no room at the inn. There has been talk about trading him and I wonder if Holland would offer JP and Rafael Lavoie to the Habs for Domi. Lavoie is a Francophone and would be a hit in Montreal. Too much? Throw in Benning or Lagesson and get Montreal’s 39 or 40 pick. Domi is an RFA and is a .67 per game guy.

    I anticipate Domi is looking to get paid and to get paid for term.

    Fitting in his contract demand may be more of an issue than acquisition cost and, frankly, I’m not sure he’ll be value for the contract he will demand/get.

    I could be wrong, just a feeling this player will be digging in on that next contract and he just rubs me the wrong way – maybe it was the damn hattrick against the Oilers (or was it 4 goals) – the game was in Edmonton, I was watching on TV in Scottsdale…..

  66. Harpers Hair says:

    Gerta Rauss: Vancouver getting Markstrom back is huge- I thought the Canucks playoff chances were in peril prior to the Covid pause

    Vancouver also getting Boeser, Leivo and Ferland back.

  67. BG19 says:

    Since Josh Currie is rumoured to want to play on the east coast, why not throw in Currie’s rights with Pulj for Rangers Lias Andersson and NY’s later 1st round pick. Thoughts….

  68. alberta bound edmonton says:

    godot10,

    If Domi wants $6to7 M a year this is a non starter. And he is not worth that kind of money.

  69. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I mean there were best of 5 series up an till the mid-80s.

    Players and fans wanted the change for ar eason. Not for integrity but definitely for the reason the other rounds are 7 games . There was a general feeling that 5 games was to exposed to a hot goaler.

  70. maudite says:

    Is Currie worth enough relative to differential on primary chips for a 1st?

    I have a hard time pegging what value puji might have around league…late first or early 2and range on a team building for sooner than later?

    BG19:
    Since Josh Currie is rumoured to want to play on the east coast, why not throw in Currie’s rights with Pulj for Rangers Lias Andersson and NY’s later 1st round pick.Thoughts….

  71. maudite says:

    That would be sick. They have any goalie prospects in system that have potential?

    Harpers Hair:
    maudite,

    Looking at some mock drafts pre-lottery and can see Ottawa selecting:

    #2 Quinton Byfield C

    #3 Jamie Drysdale D

    #21 Hendrix La Pierre C

    I wonder if they might try to swing a deal with the #21 pick, a second and a prospect to move up and take Marco Rossi from the Ottawa 67s.

  72. maudite says:

    Nvm daccord seems legit ish.

    Mandolese less so but size is there maybe still a project with chance…took a big jump in Q this year.

    The two swedes arent looking promising…

    So some stuff still to shift through but could use another couple in next few years.

  73. Harpers Hair says:

    maudite:
    Nvm daccord seems legit ish.

    Mandolese less so but size is there maybe still a project with chance…took a big jump in Q this year.

    The two swedes arent looking promising…

    So some stuff still to shift through but could use another couple in next few years.

    With the number of free agents goalies available, not likely a pressing concern
    https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/goalies

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    maudite:
    Nvm daccord seems legit ish.

    Mandolese less so but size is there maybe still a project with chance…took a big jump in Q this year.

    The two swedes arent looking promising…

    So some stuff still to shift through but could use another couple in next few years.

    Søgaard?

  75. leadfarmer says:

    At some point Russell is going to have to start thinking about his future.
    Stay in Edmonton and hope he fits somewhere close in a year
    Take a trade to a team that could use a veteran and maybe get a contract for a few years at much less salary cap of course
    Kris Russell at 1.5 mil real money is a very Melnyk thing to do. Just depends on Russell

  76. godot10 says:

    BG19:
    Since Josh Currie is rumoured to want to play on the east coast, why not throw in Currie’s rights with Pulj for Rangers Lias Andersson and NY’s later 1st round pick.Thoughts….

    Josh Currie is a UFA.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    ArmchairGM: I’ve read every comment on this thread and nobody is “falling over themselves to trade (Nurse)”, not for magic beans or anything else.

    Not only this thread. Trading Nurse “before he becomes too expensive” is a common sentiment. And it makes me sick.

  78. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: Vancouver also getting Boeser, Leivo and Ferlandback.

    That’s not going to do your adopted team much good playing in Colorado’s bracket.

  79. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer:
    At some point Russell is going to have to start thinking about his future.
    Stay in Edmonton and hope he fits somewhere close in a year
    Take a trade to a team that could use a veteran and maybe get a contract for a few years at much less salary cap of course
    Kris Russell at 1.5 mil real money is a very Melnyk thing to do.Just depends on Russell

    Pretty good chance he retires after he collects the remaining dollars on his contract.

    He will be 34 with career earnings of more than $28 million US.

    Should be enough to hit the rodeo circuit full time.

  80. maudite says:

    Soogard didn’t seem too promising when I ran through his progress but I’m nowhere near going to claim I’m qualified to assess at any real level.

    I would assume some jump would have been expected in WHL this year…he is massive though.

  81. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: That’s not going to do your adopted team much good playing in Colorado’s bracket.

    I’ve got Colorado winning the cup.

    Great forward depth, superb D and above average goaltending.

    All of Kadri, Rantanen, Calvert, Wilson and Grubaeur returning from injury.

  82. Lowetide says:

    For The Athletic: Oilers’ most likely recalls from Bakersfield for the playoff run. If you’re not a subscriber, click on the link for free 90-day access.

    https://theathletic.com/1833716/2020/05/24/lowetide-oilers-most-likely-recalls-from-bakersfield-for-the-playoff-run/

  83. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: I’ve got Colorado winningthe cup.

    Great forward depth, superb D and above average goaltending.

    All of Kadri, Rantanen, Calvert, Wilson and Grubaeur returning from injury.

    They would be my favourite to come out of the west. Of course the favourite is just that and upsets happen every year but if I was placing money they would be my pick as well.

    Remember only, maybe, two years ago people were saying Sakic wasn’t qualified for the job? Funny how that seems to happen a lot in the NHL.

  84. Georges says:

    Let’s take a look at 1st round forward picks, from 2000 to 2018, totaling 19 drafts. I want to get an idea of what teams and fans should expect from these picks based on the historical numbers.

    I’ll start by dividing the picks into groups of 5: 1-5, 6-10, etc. I’ll label the groups as follows 0 = 1-5, 1 = 6-10, etc. With 19 drafts and 5 picks per group, there are 95 total picks in each group in the dataset.

    (This worked well until VEG showed up and complicated things. But VEG factored into just 2 drafts in the window I’m considering and only of the 31st first round picks has been a forward (Klim Kostin in 2017). So I’ll ignore pick 31 for now.)

    Here are some numbers.

    Group, Count of forward picks, % of total picks, Count of forwards who’ve played in the NHL, % of picked forwards

    0, 65, 68, 65, 100
    1, 62, 65, 61, 98
    2, 56, 59, 50, 89
    3, 60, 63, 52, 87
    4, 65, 68, 59, 91
    5, 56, 59, 49, 88

    Some observations:

    – Let’s use a rough estimate that forwards make up 60% of a roster (12F + 6D + 2G each night).

    – Overall, forwards make up 64% of first round picks, a slight increase from the proportion of forwards in the NHL population.

    – Early (top 10) picks skew slightly more toward forwards than later picks. I would guess this is mostly a function of forward talent being easier to spot and count on than defenseman and goalie talent. Also a function of lottery teams are usually lottery teams because they can’t score enough goals, thus increasing the value of forwards early on.

    – Top 10 forward picks are nearly certain to play in the NHL. Outside of the top 10, there’s about a 10% chance that these picks won’t make it to the league. (I confirmed this by reducing the draft window by two years, giving players more time to make their debut.)

    Now, let’s look at the offensive production of first round forward picks who make it to the NHL.

    Group, Avg. Pts/GP, 25% Pts/GP, Median Pts/GP, 75% Pts/GP

    0, .72, .58, .68, .90
    1, .46, .31, .46, .62
    2, .44, .31, .43, .59
    3, .39, .22, .34, .53
    4, .38, .20, .34, .55
    5, .33, .20, .31, .45

    Observations:

    – Top 5 forward picks clearly stand out from the rest. The 25th percentile pick is a career 0.58 Pts/GP scorer, a solid top 6 player. At the other end, a quarter of these picks score at 0.90 Pts/GP pace, making them offensive anchors for their teams.

    – That we missed on two players with top 5 picks, Yak and JP (so far), is tough. But we’ve had 6 top 5 picks since 2010. If we assume the probability of getting a solid top 6 player with each of those picks is 0.75 and we also assume the outcomes for each of those picks is independent, the binomial distribution tells us that the probability that we see 2 or more “failures” is 47%, which is pretty close to a coin flip. Meaning we shouldn’t be too surprised (or disappointed) we missed on 2 of 6 top 5 picks. It happens.

    – There isn’t much daylight between picks 5-10 and picks 11-15. A little but not much. If offensive talent does drop off as you go further in the draft, the effect doesn’t seem to be pronounced at this stage. This group would include picks made by stronger non-playoff teams. I’m guessing that has something to do with the results, i.e., there’s more room on these teams for players to grow, more opportunity and structure and support to help them launch.

    – The next two groups (16-20 and 21-25) also look very similar. These are picks made largely by playoff teams that don’t make it to the semis. We could be seeing a drop in talent here. We could also be seeing a drop in opportunity because it’s tougher for younger players to break in to meaningful roles on these teams.

    – The drop off is more noticeable with picks 26-30, mostly made by semi-finalists. Particularly at the high end, with the 75th percentile only reaching 0.55. There seems to be a good chance that forwards picked in these positions become role players rather than feature players. Harder still for young players to just slide into or work themselves into feature roles on teams that are strong enough to contend. The agenda for those teams is probably win now.

    – Scanning down the median numbers shows something important. The typical late first round pick (picks 16-30) DOES NOT produce atypical offense over his career. I went back and looked at the distribution of forward scoring in each season going back to 2000-01. The markers for the bottom 3 groups are very much in line with the markers generated in each season. Fans should expect that a bottom first round pick will become a TYPICAL NHL player. If he does better, that’s a bonus.

    – But how is that possible? I mean, draft rankings and actual draft order are supposed to order players by (potential) value. How can so many players taken early be expected to turn out to be so ordinary? If half of first round forward picks are destined to be typical, where are all the good players coming from? If not the first round?

  85. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: I’ve got Colorado winningthe cup.

    Great forward depth, superb D and above average goaltending.

    All of Kadri, Rantanen, Calvert, Wilson and Grubaeur returning from injury.

    In other words you have been planning to be jumping off of the Canuck bandwagon extra quickly?

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Domi wants to be paid around $7 million per year.

    The Oilers need good cheap players, not expensive mediocre ones.

    I responded to the earlier post re: cap issue as oppossed to acquisition cost issue (and $7MM is even more than I was thinking). I don’t think this player will be value for his cap hit on his next contract and I don’t think the Oilers could fit it in (well, they could but the moves wouldn’t make sense for this player, in my opinion).

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: I think we have the better team and Chicago’s defence is an absolute mess, but they’re rested and they know what it takes to win.This is far from a gimme. The Hawks will be very, very tough to beat.Looking forward to seeing Drai in the playoffs again though.He was so good last time and now he’s three years older.

    Not just Drai in the playoffs but a rested Drai in the playoffs – that player is such a dominant beast when not warn down – excited to see a fresh Drai (and McDavid, of course).

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    flyfish1168: i would take Nuge any day over Domi. Signing anyone else at that price may spill the end of Nuge in Edmonton. For this to happen the bar has to be set much higher than Domi

    100% agreed and Nuge is just now starting his prime as a 2-way winger – he’ll get paid UFA money soon but I don’t think his game will regress for a good 4-5 years – not his overall game. He’s a “young UFA”.

  89. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: In other words you have been planning to be jumping off of the Canuck bandwagon extra quickly?

    I haven’t been on any bandwagon for a dozen years.

    Just s hockey fan.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    maudite:
    Yrah,it’s nuts.If I was them I’d honestly not trade any of them unless packaging to move up or down in draft.3 years time start having a clear idea with literally a core all growing in same time.
    JimmyV1965,

    One potential issue with that approach is flooding the system with too many guys at once which could have issues with the reserve list max and, eventually, the 50 contract max.

  91. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: They would be my favourite to come out of the west. Of course the favourite is just that and upsets happen every year but if I was placing money they would be my pick as well.

    Remember only, maybe, two years ago people were saying Sakic wasn’t qualified for the job? Funny how that seems to happen a lot in the NHL.

    Scary to think how good they’ll be when Byram Timmons and Newhook join the team.

  92. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: One potential issue with that approach is flooding the system with too many guys at once which could have issues with the reserve list max and, eventually, the 50 contract max.

    Pretty easy to manage that if you only have 9 players signed for next season

  93. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: I haven’t been on any bandwagon for a dozen years.

    Just s hockey fan.

    Not at all. You live on Vancouver island, and as a result of reading the local news have morphed, whether you know it or not into a bandwagon Canucks fan. Ask anyone who has been reading you going on endlessly on Lowetide about the Canucks this, or the Canucks that, which definitely puts you into the bandwagon Canucks fan slot.

    Of course, as a kind of Oilers hater you have a better team chosen to talk about in the Avs, you hope one that will go further than the perpetually shitty Vancouver Canucks which in turn should allow you the opportunity to continue to feel superior to us plebs(Oilers fans).

    It’s no problem. Nothing to be ashamed about.

  94. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: 100% agreed and Nuge is just now starting his prime as a 2-way winger – he’ll get paid UFA money soon but I don’t think his game will regress for a good 4-5 years – not his overall game.He’s a “young UFA”.

    The way RNH plays he’s got another 10 years left in him easily.

  95. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: By the law of averages you only have another 18 years to wait

    Hmmmmm, law of averages says 2 more years for a SCF appearance (one every 16) and also 2 more years of a title win (last win in 1990, 30 years ago).

    Oh ya – its coming baby!

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Vancouver also getting Boeser, Leivo and Ferlandback.

    Yup, everyone will pretty much be healthy and fresh.

    If I recall correctly, the last time all teams were essentially healthy and fresh, the Oilers were dominating the league in October…….

  97. OriginalPouzar says:

    BG19:
    Since Josh Currie is rumoured to want to play on the east coast, why not throw in Currie’s rights with Pulj for Rangers Lias Andersson and NY’s later 1st round pick.Thoughts….

    Good intel on Currie – where did you hear that?

    That’s too bad if true – he is a fan favorite in Bakersfield and a very good AHL player that plays hard every shift.

    With that said, I don’t think the UFA rights to a career minor-leaguer (handful of games but not even a tweener) has any trade value.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Not only this thread. Trading Nurse “before he becomes too expensive” is a common sentiment. And it makes me sick.

    While I am not in favor of a Nurse for Domi trade, Domi is far from “magic beans” and trading a player for “other players” – well, that’s kind of important for team building – trading from depth (Left D) to fill a hole (scoring forward).

    Caleb Jones may be able to be an every day 2LD but, right now, we don’t know that so Darnell Nurse is too important to short term team success.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Pretty good chance he retires after he collects the remaining dollars on his contract.

    He will be 34 with career earnings of more than $28 million US.

    Should be enough to hit the rodeo circuit full time.

    I would be very surprised if he retired unless he couldn’t get an NHL contract (which I would also be surprised with).

  100. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yup, everyone will pretty much be healthy and fresh.

    If I recall correctly, the last time all teams were essentially healthy and fresh, the Oilers were dominating the league in October…….

    The Oilers were 8-5-1 in October.

    The Canucks were 8-3-1.

    Domination…heh.

  101. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would be very surprised if he retired unless he couldn’t get an NHL contract (which I would also be surprised with).

    OriginalPouzar: I would be very surprised if he retired unless he couldn’t get an NHL contract (which I would also be surprised with).

    OriginalPouzar: I would be very surprised if he retired unless he couldn’t get an NHL contract (which I would also be surprised with).

    The game is getting younger every year.

    29 year old Jake Gardiner had to wait months to get a new contract.

  102. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Pretty good chance he retires after he collects the remaining dollars on his contract.

    He will be 34 with career earnings of more than $28 million US.

    Should be enough to hit the rodeo circuit full time.

    I would say he’s going to try and continue playing. Career earnings are almost meaningless. Very few millionaires say no thanks to another million

  103. pts2pndr says:

    maudite:
    Yrah,it’s nuts.If I was them I’d honestly not trade any of them unless packaging to move up or down in draft.3 years time start having a clear idea with literally a core all growing in same time.
    JimmyV1965,

    The same time can pose a problem at the AHL level when you have a large group ready but limited places to play them. They need veteran leadership and mentoring to flourish. Sounds great in theory but would have some logistical hurdles.

  104. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: The game is getting younger every year.

    29 year old Jake Gardiner had to wait months to get a new contract.

    Jake Gardiner had specific places in mind and wanted to get paid.
    The chance that Kris Russell will get a 16 mil contract is 0
    The chance that someone will say hey I need a vet defenseman in training camp is pretty good

  105. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: While I am not in favor of a Nurse for Domi trade, Domi is far from “magic beans” and trading a player for “other players” – well, that’s kind of important for team building – trading from depth (Left D) to fill a hole (scoring forward).

    Domi is a good player but cap issues considered there’s no way he goes to the Oilers, who need young players who don’t need to get paid so much. That’s reality when you’re running 2 players who collectively cost you 20 million bucks.

  106. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: While I am not in favor of a Nurse for Domi trade, Domi is far from “magic beans” and trading a player for “other players” – well, that’s kind of important for team building – trading from depth (Left D) to fill a hole (scoring forward).

    Caleb Jones may be able to be an every day 2LD but, right now, we don’t know that so Darnell Nurse is too important to short term team success.

    There is in my opinion no way now or ever that you can ever have Nurse and Jones in the same conversation. There only sameness is left shot hockey players. To think otherwise is looking at Jones with rose coloured glasses.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Pretty easy to manage that if you only have 9 players signed for next season

    Not really – they’ll need to add the requisite contract and, except for one player drafted (likely), none will come from the influx in to the organization.

    This isn’t a problem for next year but in the few years after – potential problem.

  108. Harpers Hair says:

    Just saw a tweet online from TSN host Matt Sekeres.

    If the NHL wants to raise a billion dollars, sell an expansion franchise in Toronto.

    It’s the largest hockey market in the world and is under served.

    There are two teams in Southern California and three in the NYC region.

    You could balance the league by selling another expansion team to Houston.

    Thoughts?

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: The way RNH plays he’s got another 10 years left in him easily.

    Maybe – not at his current level though – I’m confident in his game for the next 5-6 years but, as one approaches his mid-30s……

  110. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Not really – they’ll need to add the requisite contract and, except for one player drafted (likely), none will come from the influx in to the organization.

    This isn’t a problem for next year but in the few years after – potential problem.

    Of course they’re carrying dead contracts for Ryan Callaghan, Marian Gaborik, Clarke McArthur , and Mark Boroweicki who will all fade away in the next couple of seasons.

    Lots of room.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: The game is getting younger every year.

    29 year old Jake Gardiner had to wait months to get a new contract.

    Ron Hainsey, Andrej Sekera, Anton Stralman – all signed.

    There is no reason to think that Rusty doesn’t want to play and won’t be offered a contract by various teams.

    Gardiner had to wait because of contract demands.

    If Rusty demands $4M, he won’t get signed.

    If Rusty is willing to take 1 year at $2MM, he’ll get signed.

  112. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Domi is a good player but cap issues considered there’s no way he goes to the Oilers, who need young players who don’t need to get paid so much. That’s reality when you’re running 2 players who collectively cost you 20 million bucks.

    Yes, that is what others have said. That is not what your previous post said.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: There is in my opinion no way now or ever that you can ever have Nurse and Jones in the same conversation. There only sameness is left shot hockey players. To think otherwise is looking at Jones with rose coloured glasses.

    I never said that Caleb Jones is or will be as good as Darnell Nurse but that doesn’t mean that Nurse can’t be traded if Jones shows he can be an every day 2LD. It may be a downgrade in some respects at 2LD but the trade haul would, presumably, be a huge upgrade at another position.

    A bit of a downgrade for a season or so at 2LD to massively upgrade at a position of need, with Samorukov and Broberg both bubbling under as cover – that could be explored. As of right now, the risk of material downgrade at 2LD in the immediate is too great but it may not be in a year.

  114. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Just saw a tweet online from TSN host Matt Sekeres.

    If the NHL wants to raise a billion dollars, sell an expansion franchise in Toronto.

    It’s the largest hockey market in the world and is under served.

    There are two teams in Southern California and three in the NYC region.

    You could balance the league by selling another expansion team to Houston.

    Thoughts?

    A second franchise in the GTA is the NHL’s version of an empty lot in downtown Vancouver. It just sits there getting more valuable every year waiting to be cashed in when wanted or needed.

    I think Portland can work as well as Houston.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Just saw a tweet online from TSN host Matt Sekeres.

    If the NHL wants to raise a billion dollars, sell an expansion franchise in Toronto.

    It’s the largest hockey market in the world and is under served.

    There are two teams in Southern California and three in the NYC region.

    You could balance the league by selling another expansion team to Houston.

    Thoughts?

    This idea has been floated many times over the years.

    Leafs’ ownership have a view I believe.

  116. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: This idea has been floated many times over the years.

    Leafs’ ownership have a view I believe.

    But not a veto as far as I know.

  117. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: A second franchise in the GTA is the NHL’s version of an empty lot in downtown Vancouver. It just sits there getting more valuable every year waiting to be cashed in when wanted or needed.

    I think Portland can work as well as Houston.

    Paul Allen, while alive, always resisted bringing the NHL to Portland.

    Now that’s he is gone. perhaps his family who own the Trailblazers, the arena and the Seahawks would take another look at it.

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: This idea has been floated many times over the years.

    Leafs’ ownership have a view I believe.

    I’m pretty sure MLSE which is jointly owned by Bell (TSN) and Rogers (SN) could be convinced if the broadcast pie was much, much larger.

  119. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: I never said that Caleb Jones is or will be as good as Darnell Nurse but that doesn’t mean that Nurse can’t be traded if Jones shows he can be an every day 2LD. It may be a downgrade in some respects at 2LD but the trade haul would, presumably, be a huge upgrade at another position.

    A bit of a downgrade for a season or so at 2LD to massively upgrade at a position of need, with Samorukov and Broberg both bubbling under as cover – that could be explored.As of right now, the risk of material downgrade at 2LD in the immediate is too great but it may not be in a year.

    Given klefbom is injury prone in my opinion he is the player you move while his value is high and his cost will soar. Moving either or of the above before you have a reasonable replacement and a back up plan the risk is too high.

  120. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: But not a veto as far as I know.

    No, i would think not but, as we know, not all “Board of Governor” votes are created equal and I’m guessing that Gary and the league enjoy keeping MLSE happy……

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Given klefbom is injury prone in my opinion he is the player you move while his value is high and his cost will soar. Moving either or of the above before you have a reasonable replacement and a back up plan the risk is too high.

    You last sentence is agreeing with what I posted.

  122. N64 says:

    hunter1909: have morphed, whether you know it or not into a bandwagon Canucks fan. Ask anyone who has been reading you going on endlessly on Lowetide about the Canucks this, or the Canucks that, which definitely puts you into the bandwagon Canucks fan slot.

    DSF put both feet in the Dys muck this year. Pointed this out multiple times in October and November that he was stuck with his purchase. No buyers remorse. He traded in the rest of the field and now gets to wear his DysDom for better or worse.

  123. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: No, i would think not but, as we know, not all “Board of Governor” votes are created equal and I’m guessing that Gary and the league enjoy keeping MLSE happy……

    Up to a point I agree. And that has been the case for years now. But things do change. Personally I think it is way to soon for the league to expand but I expect a 2nd market in the GTA will be front and centre the next time it is on the agenda.

  124. maudite says:

    It’s a factor if you font have a clear plan sure. But if you strip it down to frame as senators have and set reasonable timelines it shouldnt be much of a problem.

    Generally though it’s a head scratcher how these sports organizations run things. For scale of operation they sue run pretty haywire.

    If you cant figure out how to optimize a flood of talent with enough options to cover margin of error at key positions and proactively convert assets you might be over supplied in prior to reaching inevitable bottlenecks…

    Should ti7 really be running an organization of ths cost level?

    OriginalPouzar: One potential issue with that approach is flooding the system with too many guys at once which could have issues with the reserve list max and, eventually, the 50 contract max.

  125. maudite says:

    Sure but I’d rather draft enmass and get to point in development path where fork is clear than trade very uncertain potential talents at this phase.

    10 players first 3 rounds

    2 very high in basically near can barely miss

    So 8 in mixer….could you possibly hit one more high end and a couple depth this go round?

    Stagger timelines as you see fit. Not rush anything sign depth forwards on 1 year deals to force some hurdles…

    I get the “well what could happen is this bad thing if managed poorly” but like is everyone too used to oilers low bar?

    pts2pndr: The same time can pose a problem at the AHL level when you have a large group ready but limited places to play them. They need veteran leadership and mentoring to flourish. Sounds great in theory but would have some logistical hurdles.

  126. who says:

    pts2pndr: Given klefbom is injury prone in my opinion he is the player you move while his value is high and his cost will soar. Moving either or of the above before you have a reasonable replacement and a back up plan the risk is too high.

    If Nurse agrees to a long term extension next summer, and Jones, Samarukov and Broberg continue to progress, I can totally see the Oilers trading Klefbom.
    He will still have 2 years left on that value contract. You gotta think he would bring back a significant asset.

  127. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: You last sentence is agreeing with what I posted.

    For the most part we are in agreement. When the timing is correct the major difference is in who we believe should be first to go Nurse or Klefbom. I believe Nurse is the better bet long term.

  128. pts2pndr says:

    who: If Nurse agrees to a long term extension next summer, and Jones, Samarukov and Broberg continue to progress, I can totally see the Oilers trading Klefbom.
    He will still have 2 years left on that value contract. You gotta think he would bring back a significant asset.

    Sorry I didn’t read the balance of the blog before I replied to OP and I am in agreement with your thinking. The key is the timing.

  129. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, that is what others have said.That is not what your previous post said.

    And what in your opinion did my previous post say? Did I call Domi magic beans? Do I think an established player is magic beans? Is that what you think I think? Is that what this is all about?

  130. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965:
    Holy Hannah!!! The Senators have 10 picks in the top 100. That’s 10% of the picks. Eight of them in the top 64. Absolutely mind blowing. I wonder if that’s some kind of record. There might be a tad bit of pressure to get this draft right.

    Oh sure if Sam Pollock’s drafting the players.

    After Lowe+MacT arrived at the draft one past year and with 3 1st round picks managed to turn them into next to nothing I’ll never buy the hype attached to terrible teams drafting, ever.

  131. ArmchairGM says:

    who: If Nurse agrees to a long term extension next summer, and Jones, Samarukov and Broberg continue to progress, I can totally see the Oilers trading Klefbom.
    He will still have 2 years left on that value contract. You gotta think he would bring back a significant asset.

    I’d always assumed that they’d keep Klefbom’s value contract for the duration, but yours is an interesting suggestion. If Nurse can be re-signed to a reasonable long-term contract and Klefbom replaced by an even lower cap player (Jones at $850k then Broberg at $925k), Klefbom’s trade value would be well worth exploring. As you say, Nurse is a far better bet from a longevity perspective. If Nuge signs (say) 7 x $7M next summer, can Nurse really ask for more? Would we be comfortable paying Nurse that much? I think it’s near the top of the range of reasonable in my estimation.

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per LeBrun, NHL sending out their 29 phase 2 protocol.

    Expected to start in early June but not official date and its subject to change.

    Player will be allowed to use their team facilities with up to 6 players on ice. Other safety protocols to be followed – no coaches.

    No player forced to participate and teams cannot force players to come back to home cities to start local quarantines and ensure they are ready for phase 2.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: For the most part we are in agreement. When the timing is correct the major difference is in who we believe should be first to go Nurse or Klefbom. I believe Nurse is the better bet long term.

    I wasn’t positing an opinion on Nurse vs. Klefbom – the conversation was solely in relation to a proposed Nurse for Domi trade and it wasn’t a valuation of Nurse vs. Klefbom.

    With that said, I’m not sure I agree with you on their valuation but that’s an entirely different conversaiton.

  134. who says:

    ArmchairGM: I’d always assumed that they’d keep Klefbom’s value contract for the duration, but yours is an interesting suggestion. If Nurse can be re-signed to a reasonable long-term contract and Klefbom replaced by an even lower cap player (Jones at $850k then Broberg at $925k), Klefbom’s trade value would be well worth exploring. As you say, Nurse is a far better bet from a longevity perspective. If Nuge signs (say) 7 x $7M next summer, can Nurse really ask for more? Would we be comfortable paying Nurse that much? I think it’s near the top of the range of reasonable in my estimation.

    I think 7 million would be the absolute highest number Nurse could hope for in a long term deal. I have yet to hear his name in a Norris conversation. I would peg his long term value closer to 6 million. If he wants 7 million, or more, I think you have to trade him.
    Either way, I think Klefbom or Nurse gets moved next summer. Too many promising young lefty dmen in the food chain that are cheaper options.

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