Training Camp Hopeful No. 2: Joe Gambardella

Among signed forwards for 2020-21, Joe Gambardella isn’t famous. He has played in the NHL, showing his forechecking ability and some semblance of offensive ability. He got some NHL time in 2018-19 but none this past season under new coaching and management. This season, his final one under contract with Edmonton, is a big one for Gambardella’s future. He has some things to recommend him.

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2019-20 AHL stats: 50, 14-14-28, 13-11-24 evens; EV GF-GA 30-48

1 Boy you never give up do you? I like Gambardella as a player but this was a tough season for him. I knew his shooting percentage would come down but the even strength goal differential plus the offense cut in half is a bitter pill.

2 How much did his shooting percentage fall? He scored 29 goals on 97 shots in 2018-19, that’s 29.9 percent (led the AHL) and not sustainable. In 2019-20, Gambardella scored 14 goals on 93 shots, that’s a 15.1 shooting percentage.

3 Still good, no? Sure, and his AHL shooting percentage for his career is 21.1 so he’s above average as a shooter at this level. Yakov Trenin led the AHL in 2019-20 with a 28.2 shooting percentage.

4 Do you still see him as an NHL option? It’ll be tough now, beyond injury recall. Extremely unlikely he makes the opening night roster.

5 Who does he have to catch? The depth chart on LW has seen several players pass him. At this point the NHL LW depth chart is Nuge, AA, James Neal, Tyler Benson, Joakim Nygard, Gambardella, Kuffner, Safin. Plus Jujhar Khaira if he plays the wing.

5 What does he have to recommend him? Great forechecker, has had brilliant outscoring seasons in both college and AHL, he is a small m chance machine and has a good idea about the defensive side of the game.

6 And yet you’re not convinced he’ll play in Edmonton 2020-21? The strongest indicator a coach can give is playing time. Gambardella played one game (11 five on five minutes) in the 2019-20 pre-season. Patrick Russell received six games and 67 total minutes, he won a job with a new coach. That was Gambardella’s opening.

7 Maybe they just wanted a right wing? That’s true, they also spent a lot of time with Tyler Benson and wanted to look at Anton Burdasov.

8 Who? Anton Burdasov. Holland signed him to a professional tryout contract, he played two games, 25 minutes total, had an assist, five shots. Intriguing player, just didn’t have enough time to show his stuff.

9 I think you’re making this up. No, he played for Edmonton, but let’s move on.

10 How many of these training camp hopeful dealies will you do? More this year cause of the Covid.

11 How many training camp hopefuls have you done in the past? Eight in 2016. Dillon Simpson (I predicted four games, he played three), Anton Slepyshev (I predicted one game, he played 41), Joey Laleggia (four games predicted, he played none), Jere Sallinen (two, none), Taylor Beck (10, 5), Tyler Pitlick (10, 31), David Musil (10, 0) and Drake Caggiula (25, 60).

12 You suck. Oilers would have been better off taking one of those RW’s and sending Puljuarvi to Bakersfield.

13 Maybe he’ll get into the playoff games upcoming. Doesn’t look like it, Jim Matheson has what looks like the list here and Gambardella isn’t on it.

14 Well, it’s a tough list to make, lots of forwards under contract aren’t on it. Forwards not on that list who are under contract for 2019-20 are Gambardella, Kuffner, Nolan Vesey, Kirill Maksimov, Ostap Safin, Cam Hebig, Tomas Jurco, Brad Malone, Josh Currie.

15 He’s probably next man up! Not sure that’s true. Jurco and Currie would be in the mix. I think the absence of Gambardella is a tell.

16 Are you looking forward to the hockey? I’m concerned about the health of the players. I’m uncertain they can be completely protected. I selfishly want to see hockey. I am a conflicted hockey human.

Gambarella Projected 2020-21 AHL stats: 54 games, 19-20-39 .72 points per game

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  1. dustrock says:

    Forgot all about Jurco. Man.

  2. dustrock says:

    You watching soccer LT? Watching Serie A is still weird as they don’t have the crowd noise option, although every time I watch, I”m getting more used to it.

    I thought the crowd noise in the EPL games would be cheesy but after about 10 seconds of trying without, it made a substantial difference in the experience.

    I wonder what the NHL is going to do about that. Hockey is faster and has more breaks, music, etc, and soccer relies pretty much on crowd noise for 90+ minutes with just the halftime break.

    So hockey may not need the crowd noise piped in, although I think I’d want it when there’s a goal.

  3. dustrock says:

    https://theathletic.com/1902038/2020/07/06/luton-town-fake-crowd-noise-efl/

    Here’s a fun article on the guys running the DJ booth for a 2nd division team, where they actually elected to have their fake noise choices piped into the stadium for the players as well.

    The Premiership plays in empty stadiums, with the crowd noise only used for the TV broadcast, and apparently done by algorithm.

  4. dustrock says:

    I guess I’m the OP for today.

    https://theathletic.com/1880791/2020/07/06/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2020-edition/

    Wheeler’s top 50 drafted NHL prospect list.

    There is one Oiler there. It is not Philip Broberg.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a massive 2nd year pro Joe G. had after a pedestrian first year pro.

    Unfortunately his 3rd year pro looked more like his 1st.

    In my opinion, he is a tweener/career AHLer.

    Great team guy and a great guy for the Condors, however, if he’s in the NHL lineup, the team likely isn’t good enough.

    With that said, I am hopeful that Ryan Kuffner will “pop” in his second year pro, Joe G. style.

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Speaking of phase 4 and who will be there (not Joe G), the team can take a max of 31 players (which is different than what they can take to training camp).

    Clearly they will take 3 goalies so that maxes out at 28 skaters (30 for phase 3).

    I think Mr. Broberg may head back to Sweden to get his season with Skelfeeta started after camp. Some may think that is a long ways for him to come for camp but, recall, the plan was to bring him over for training camp for 2020/21 and then back home – this would essentially be the same.

  7. jtblack says:

    dustrock:
    I guess I’m the OP for today.

    https://theathletic.com/1880791/2020/07/06/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2020-edition/

    Wheeler’s top 50 drafted NHL prospect list.

    There is one Oiler there.It is not Philip Broberg.

    thanks for that. interesting. I have watched Cozens the last 3 years. excellent overall player. Reminds me of Ryan Smyth. not pretty but always effective

  8. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    From the linked article by Matty:

    “Shane Starrett, who battled core-muscle issues most of this past season.”

    Why is this the first I’m hearing of this injury? Did I miss something or is this a recent revelation?

  9. Harpers Hair says:

    Some clarity on what’s going on in the KHL.
    The link posted yesterday didn’t mention that it’s development camps are underway.

    https://www.nucksmisconduct.com/platform/amp/2020/7/5/21313907/vasily-podkolzins-final-khl-season-prior-to-joining-the-canucks-is-underway

  10. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: I think Mr. Broberg may head back to Sweden to get his season with Skelfeeta started after camp. Some may think that is a long ways for him to come for camp but, recall, the plan was to bring him over for training camp for 2020/21 and then back home – this would essentially be the same.

    Holy Hell! If I was a just turned 19 year old with NHL hopes I’d take steamship and rail to get to Edmonton to hang out with McDavid and Draisaitl (and Klefbom, Larsson, Lagesson, Nygard) for a few weeks or a month! But that could be just me…

  11. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Follow up from last thread:

    How would you feel about a trade centered around Puljujarvi for Jason Dickinson? I think I can see valid cause for both sides to entertain the deal, but I want to hear more opinions on it.

  12. Munny says:

    jp: Holy Hell! If I was a just turned 19 year old with NHL hopes I’d take steamship and rail to get to Edmonton to hang out with McDavid and Draisaitl (and Klefbom, Larsson, Lagesson, Nygard) for a few weeks or a month! But that could be just me…

    Yes, but stagecoach… Would you be willing to travel by stagecoach?

    Camp might be over by time you get there, lol.

  13. meanashell11 says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    No thank you. 20 odd points and he never scored at any level after a quick look. Prefer Josh Anderson.

  14. jp says:

    Munny: Yes, but stagecoach…Would you be willing to travel by stagecoach?

    Camp might be over by time you get there, lol.

    Giddy-up! There’s no question.

    But good point, I hope he boarded already before his birthday a couple weeks back.

  15. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    meanashell11:
    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    No thank you. 20 odd points and he never scored at any level after a quick look. Prefer Josh Anderson.

    Considering he largely played the 2nd line, shutdown role on those contending Guelph teams, I don’t think his scoring is at all a concern- he posted better offense than Benson FWIW. That aside, he also clocked 53 points as an AHL rookie. I don’t think he has reached his ceiling yet but, even if he only maxes out as a 30-pt guy, I think that’s well within bounds of being a quality 3C so long as he’s not getting outscored.

  16. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Nothing in the world sounds like ice hockey.

    For fear of a few fucks and shits, will the NHL decide to pump in fake noise and miss yet another opportunity to connect people to the game – this time through sound?

    A skate cuts into ice, a tape to tape pass, a puck ringing off the end boards….

    C’mon! Its not even profit at stake, its the fear of showing some imagination. For risk of anything, do nothing. If its not spectacle, its not commodity. Nothing is real, or why is it for sale?

  17. jp says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Considering he largely played the 2nd line, shutdown role on those contending Guelph teams, I don’t think his scoring is at all a concern- he posted better offense than Benson FWIW. That aside, he also clocked 53 points as an AHL rookie. I don’t think he has reached his ceiling yet but, even if he only maxes out as a 30-pt guy, I think that’s well within bounds of being a quality 3C so long as he’s not getting outscored.

    I don’t know a ton about the player. He looks decent for sure. His NHL offense is perfectly decent considering he has 0 PP points in his career (he’s around 1.40 5v5/60 the last 2 seasons). Maybe we’ll get a closer look at his game in August or September.

  18. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    jp: I don’t know a ton about the player. He looks decent for sure. His NHL offense is perfectly decent considering he has 0 PP points in his career (he’s around 1.40 5v5/60 the last 2 seasons). Maybe we’ll get a closer look at his game in August or September.

    I would really like to see a series against Dallas. They’ve got a number of players that interest me both on a personal level (Heiskanen, Radulov, Cogliano, Fedun) and possible acquisition targets (Dickinson, Faksa, Janmark). Would be a tough matchup for our guys, too!

  19. Lowetide says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Follow up from last thread:

    How would you feel about a trade centered around Puljujarvi for Jason Dickinson? I think I can see valid cause for both sides to entertain the deal, but I want to hear more opinions on it.

    I would not make that deal.

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Holy Hell! If I was a just turned 19 year old with NHL hopes I’d take steamship and rail to get to Edmonton to hang out with McDavid and Draisaitl (and Klefbom, Larsson, Lagesson, Nygard) for a few weeks or a month! But that could be just me…

    I’m sure the player is willing to stick around as long as possible but, as we know, the chances of him playing are all but nil and, with 28 total skaters, I think management and the coaches will go with Lagesson, Benning, Jones, Bouchard as the 4 extra D.

    Lets not forget, injuries happen in the playoffs and now there is the added potential of virus-related scratches.

    Experience for the teenager is and will be great but winning is the first priority and Broberg doesn’t help with winning this year.

  21. John Chambers says:

    Has anyone listened to David Staples’ interview with prospect Michael Kesselring’s father on the CoH podcast?

    It’s a great interview. Kesselring’s father is a hockey scholar.

  22. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m sure the player is willing to stick around as long as possible but, as we know, the chances of him playing are all but nil and, with 28 total skaters, I think management and the coaches will go with Lagesson, Benning, Jones, Bouchard as the 4 extra D.

    Lets not forget, injuries happen in the playoffs and now there is the added potential of virus-related scratches.

    Experience for the teenager is and will be great but winning is the first priority and Broberg doesn’t help with winning this year.

    Yes, no arguments on that. Was just replying to your “Some may think that is a long ways for him to come for camp” part. I don’t think Broberg, or most 19 year old draftees, would have any qualms about making that trip to hang around and practice with the NHL team for the playoffs (even only part).

  23. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Lowetide: I would not make that deal.

    Not sufficiently high ceiling for you? Or is it more that you’re of the mind that Puljujarvi will return? I’d much rather receive a tangible asset for him than continue to wait for him to “figure things out” in hopes of getting a better asset out of him (whether that be via trade or him coming back).

  24. PennersPancakes says:

    dustrock,

    Wheeler is entertaining but I never take him serious. Always an interesting read but not he has his bias’ just like everyone else. Im sure he watches way more games than I do but for example his rankings of Hoglander, Podkolzin, and Wahlstrom all seem much too high.

    Funny too how Kaliyev is 8th, Robertson 10 and Beckman is unranked (top 100 but not close to 50 apparently).

    GP – G – A – Pts
    63 – 48 – 59 – 107
    57- 44 – 54 – 98
    46 – 55 – 31 – 86

    I understand theres more than box cars but oh well. He can make his list however well he pleases.

  25. PennersPancakes says:

    Re: Broberg

    In the comments Scott mentions hes remained flat on Broberg implying his biggest concern is not enough offence for top pairing and some defensive warts. NHLer but not a star.

    It annoys me that he gives euro wingers (especially in the KHL) benefit of the doubt due to them being teenagers in a mans league and makes comments about their TOI and role. Defensman who dont pump out great offense seem to be punished in his lists (i.e. Sieder and Romanov).

  26. slopitch says:

    You’d think the Oilers coulda convinced Stevie Y to swap 6 for 8 and allow us to get Cozens. Ah well, I’ll go on cheering for Broberg.

  27. Material Elvis says:

    PennersPancakes:
    Re: Broberg

    In the comments Scott mentions hes remained flat on Broberg implying his biggest concern is not enough offence for top pairing and some defensive warts. NHLer but not a star.

    It annoys me that he gives euro wingers (especially in the KHL) benefit of the doubt due to them being teenagers in a mans league and makes comments about their TOI and role. Defensman who dont pump out great offense seem to be punished in his lists (i.e. Sieder and Romanov).

    No 17 year old or 18 year old defensemen put up offence in the SHL. Not even Erik Karlsson. Is Wheeler not aware of this? Maybe we need Kevin Wong to provide a proper assessment.

  28. Harpers Hair says:

    Material Elvis: No 17 year old or 18 year old defensemen put up offence in the SHL.Not even Erik Karlsson.Is Wheeler not aware of this?Maybe we need Kevin Wong to provide a proper assessment.

    Rasmus Dahlin scored 20 points in 41 games as an 18 year old.

    That ain’t nothing.

  29. Reja says:

    meanashell11:
    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    No thank you. 20 odd points and he never scored at any level after a quick look. Prefer Josh Anderson.

    I love the style of Josh Anderson if he’s healthy he’s only 26 coming off a 1 goal and 3 assist year. I’m all over Anderson if he’s cheap and he can regain his form he pots 25-30 playing with Connor.

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    NHL and NHLPA have a CBA extension deal (MOU) that will now go to vote – per Friedman.

    As per LeBrun, camps will start a week today:

    As expected, training camps would start next Monday, July 13; teams would then head to hub cities July 26. Qualifying Round begins Aug 1. Again, subject to players vote and owners vote.

    Also as per LeBrun:

    Players’ Executive Board (player reps) had a conference call begin around 515 pm ET. Up to them to decide if the proposed RTP-CBA agreement is good to go and proceed then to a league-wide player vote which could then take up to 72 hours

    ————

    Of course the NHLPA executive will ratify and it will go to a full player vote right away.

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would have liked this to go a bit further and mandate the home and rink quarantine during camp but this is fairly good – will players abide by the rules?

    https://media.nhl.com/site/vasset/public/attachments/2020/07/14032/NHLReturnToSport_Phase3.pdf

    M. ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE OF CLUB FACILITIES

    Outside of Training Camp activities at the Club Facility, it is important that all Club personnel, including Players, continue to adhere to the personal precautions recommended by the CDC, as well as any additional direction that may be issued by your local health authority and Club Medical staff. As such, Players are strongly recommended to continue to exercise “distancing” behavior, practicing the same social/physical distancing measures as observed during Phases 1 & 2 of the League’s “pause” in the 2019/20 Season.

    Specifically:

    1. Players and Club personnel shall continue to stay at home as much as possible and practicable and must avoid unnecessary interactions with non-family members.

    2. Players shall not physically spend social time together in close contact.

    3. As noted above, Players participating in Phase 3 are not permitted to work out or skate at any public facility or other location, and may not organize any Player skates or group skates outside of the small group sessions organized by the Club.

    4. As much as possible, those in closest contact with Players, such as his spouse, partner, children or any other household members should have limited contact with individuals outside of the Player’s residence , so as to limit secondary exposure to Players and “Player Access” personnel.

  32. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would have liked this to go a bit further and mandate the home and rink quarantine during camp but this is fairly good – will players abide by the rules?

    https://media.nhl.com/site/vasset/public/attachments/2020/07/14032/NHLReturnToSport_Phase3.pdf

    M. ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE OF CLUB FACILITIES

    Outside of Training Camp activities at the Club Facility, it is important that all Club personnel, including Players, continue to adhere to the personal precautions recommended by the CDC, as well as any additional direction that may be issued by your local health authority and Club Medical staff. As such, Players are strongly recommended to continue to exercise “distancing” behavior, practicing the same social/physical distancing measures as observed during Phases 1 & 2 of the League’s “pause” in the 2019/20 Season.

    Specifically:

    1. Players and Club personnel shall continue to stay at home as much as possible and practicable and must avoid unnecessary interactions with non-family members.

    2. Players shall not physically spend social time together in close contact.

    3. As noted above, Players participating in Phase 3 are not permitted to work out or skate at any public facility or other location, and may not organize any Player skates or group skates outside of the small group sessions organized by the Club.

    4. As much as possible, those in closest contact with Players, such as his spouse, partner, children or any other household members should have limited contact with individuals outside of the Player’s residence , so as to limit secondary exposure to Players and “Player Access” personnel.

    Still don’t think the NHL and definitely the NBA will be able to pull this off. When your young, single and filthy rich it’s almost impossible to expect these lads will stay true and in the Bubble.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    David Pagnotta
    @TheFourthPeriod
    ·
    17m
    Players like Sorokin, Kaprizov, Romanov, etc. can sign their entry-level contracts now and burn a year off their ELCs, but can’t play this season.

    In the case of Sorokin, he can only sign a 1-year ELC. If he does, he’s an RFA. I’m told there has been recent traction on talks.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kudos to NHL.com, I think they nailed the game 1 lineup (subject to camp surprises).

    I would play Jones (and Mikko unless Smith is clearly better in camp) but think Tip and Playfair will go with Rusty and this lineup:

    https://www.nhl.com/news/edmonton-oilers-training-camp-preview/c-317309874

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    I guess I’m the OP for today.

    https://theathletic.com/1880791/2020/07/06/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2020-edition/

    Wheeler’s top 50 drafted NHL prospect list.

    There is one Oiler there.It is not Philip Broberg.

    Bah – I posted this earlier this morning in yesterday’s thread……..

    As a just turned 19-year old dman in Sweden, I wouldn’t expect Broberg to be there and I couldn’t care less about Zegras being near the top.

    I think the verbal out there on Broberg is going to be much different next off-season after another season in Skelfeeta and, I anticipate, a massive role for Sweden at the World Juniors (here is hoping there is a World Juniors)……

  36. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Rasmus Dahlin scored 20 points in 41 games as an 18 year old.

    That ain’t nothing.

    Yup the #1 overall scored more then Broberg. And there are other examples, no question.

    But take a look through the top scoring Swedish D in the NHL. Many scored the same or less than Broberg at the same age. As a for instance he’s scored better than Klefbom did in the same leagues.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sched A bonus max is going from $850K to $1M for ELCs.

    I wonder if that automatically attaches to Bouchard’s contract?

  38. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Bah – I posted this earlier this morning in yesterday’s thread……..

    As a just turned 19-year old dman in Sweden, I wouldn’t expect Broberg to be there and I couldn’t care less about Zegras being near the top.

    I think the verbal out there on Broberg is going to be much different next off-season after another season in Skelfeeta and, I anticipate, a massive role for Sweden at the World Juniors (here is hoping there is a World Juniors)……

    Bah.

    There are five 19 year old defensemen in the top 50.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    Has anyone listened to David Staples’ interview with prospect Michael Kesselring’s father on the CoH podcast?

    It’s a great interview. Kesselring’s father is a hockey scholar.

    Yes, I did yesterday and posted about it in yesterday’s thread – it was a very very good interview and I loved it.

    Some solid info on the Oilers college prospects as well.

  40. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Yup the #1 overall scored more then Broberg. And there are other examples, no question.

    But take a look through the top scoring Swedish D in the NHL. Many scored the same or less than Broberg at the same age. As a for instance he’s scored better than Klefbom did in the same leagues.

    Yep.

    But Klefbom is hardly the definition of a #1D.

    If Broberg can clean up his defensive game, he should be fine but hardly a game breaker like Dahlin, Makar and and Hughes.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Material Elvis: No 17 year old or 18 year old defensemen put up offence in the SHL.Not even Erik Karlsson.Is Wheeler not aware of this?Maybe we need Kevin Wong to provide a proper assessment.

    Ex-Oiler Mark Zanier gave, what I thought was, a solid report a month ago or so (can’t remember if it was the Lowetide or OilCan). While I think he was a bit more optimistic, potential offensive limitations are a bit of a concern – I don’t think it has to do with his point production as a teenager, more style of play.

    I don’t see him play as much, obviously, but many skills can be developed between 18 and 23 years old and I won’t shut the door on his offensively abilities quite yet.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Rasmus Dahlin scored 20 points in 41 games as an 18 year old.

    That ain’t nothing.

    Yes and he was cited as the best d-man prospect in a decade plus, a potential generational d-man and lock 1st overall.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Still don’t think the NHL and definitely the NBA will be able to pull this off. When your young, single and filthy rich it’s almost impossible to expectthese lads will stay true andin the Bubble.

    The penalties for doing so are severe and could include the team losing draft picks.

    While there may be the odd example, I doubt “sneaking out” is going to be a common occurance and, even if it does happen a few times, its not like the “culprits” will be out and about in any sort of public place.

    It may happen but the risk of it shutting things down seem very slim to me.

    ————–

    Also:

    – the players (as a general group) deserve a little more credit than you give them (I think) – they aren’t all Jake Virtanan…..

    – 8 teams are gone in a week and then 8 more 10 days later – the number of players gets cut down pretty damn quick.

  44. OriginalPouzar says:

    Let’s do this:

    The NHLPA exec vote should really be a rubber stamp but let’s get the full membership vote going. I am very confidant it will pass (just needs simple majority and the CBA extension is a massive win for the players, in my opinion) but it won’t be close to unanimous- will be curious to see how high the “no vote” is – 30% perhaps.

    https://twitter.com/thefourthperiod/status/1280284863363506178?s=21

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    Much talk has gone on re: Oilers not even allowed their own dressing room.

    As per Terry Jones:

    As reported here in Friday editions, the NHL is taking “home dressing room advantage” away from the Oilers and Maple Leafs.

    They won’t reside in their own room when the tournament begins. A home team and an away team will be designated for each game. The higher positioned team in the standings will be the home team with home dressing room, home bench, last line change, etc. for Games 1-2 and 5 in the ‘play-in’ best-of-five series and Games 1-2, 5 and 7 in the traditional best-of-sevens to follow.

    It is believed the home team for the first and third games of the three-games-per-day schedule will get the Oilers dressing room and the other team the visitors room. For the middle game, the expectation is that the home team will get the Oil Kings room and the visitors the WHL visitors room.

  46. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes and he was cited as the best d-man prospect in a decade plus, a potential generational d-man and lock 1st overall.

    Erik Brannstrom was drafted 15th overall and doubled Broberg’s offence as an 18 year old.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Bah.

    There are five 19 year old defensemen in the top 50.

    and, as I said, I wouldn’t expect Broberg to be there – we know Wheeler’s views on him.

  48. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Erik Brannstrom was drafted15thoverall and doubled Broberg’s offence as an 18 year old.

    Did you see who was the second highest D prospect in his rating?

  49. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: Did you see who was the second highest D prospect in his rating?

    Did you see how many players drafted a year later are ahead of him?

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Did you see how many players drafted a year later are ahead of him?

    1 defenseman

  51. Lowetide says:

    Broberg doesn’t get PP time, that’s going to change this year. I wrote about it here, he’s in the range with Brannstrom and Soderstrom at even strength. You can’t punish a man for not scoring on a power play he isn’t a part of, folks.

    https://theathletic.com/1688239/2020/03/21/lowetide-should-oilers-prospect-philip-broberg-play-in-north-america-next-year/

  52. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: 1 defenseman

    Six defensemen who were drafted a year later are breathing down his neck.
    Giddy up.

  53. Pescador says:

    Reja: Still don’t think the NHL and definitely the NBA will be able to pull this off. When your young, single and filthy rich it’s almost impossible to expectthese lads will stay true andin the Bubble.

    I believe that the NHL boys will stay in the bubble,
    sneaking someone in past security, well that’s another matter.
    We know that no contraband has ever found it’s way inside any prison ever

  54. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    Broberg doesn’t get PP time, that’s going to change this year. I wrote about it here, he’s in the range withBrannstrom and Soderstrom at even strength. You can’t punish a man for not scoring on a power play he isn’t a part of, folks.

    https://theathletic.com/1688239/2020/03/21/lowetide-should-oilers-prospect-philip-broberg-play-in-north-america-next-year/

    Why do you think it will change?

    Has the team shed the players who were on the PP last season?

  55. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.

    But Klefbom is hardly the definition of a #1D.

    If Broberg can clean up his defensive game, he should be fine but hardly a game breaker like Dahlin, Makar and and Hughes.

    Ah, #1D. A new conversation. OK.

    Did anyone call Klefbom a #1D? Or Broberg? And did anyone say Broberg would/should score more than offense-first guys Makar and Hughes?

    So how did Broberg do compared to the best Swedish defensemen in the NHL?

    Broberg scored 45-1-7-8 in the SHL at age 18 (0.18 points/game). The 1OV picks (Hedberg and Dahlin) scored 20 points in their draft years. Not the same thing. But there’s also no shame in that.

    Other Swedish D by NHL sorted by points per game this year (who also played 22 minutes per game):

    Erik Karlsson SHL age 18 45-5-5-10
    Alex Edler was in the Swedish U20 league at 18 (0.7 p/game)
    John Klingberg SHL age 18 26-0-5-5
    Oscar Klefbom SHL age 18 33-2-0-2
    Mattias Ekholm Swedish D1 age 18 38-2-11-13
    Oliver Ekman-Larsson Swedish D1 age 18 42-9-18-27

    That’s everyone over 0.4 pts/game and 22 minutes a night who played in Sweden age 18.

    So Broberg scored better than most, and his calling card isn’t offense. It’s mobility and shutdown tools.

    I dunno, looks like a quality prospect.

  56. Side says:

    Must have been a rough day for HH today.

  57. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Why do you think it will change?

    Has the team shed the players who were on the PP last season?

    Yes, the teams main offensive D went to the KHL.

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Is Broberg the next CFP?

    Does it matter?

    If you value big extremely mobile D that have a range of skills and are for the Swedes being used more than average at a young age, then perhaps Broberg is a prospect with such game dominating potential you have to like him, a lot.

    It depends what you think is key to the position.

    For me I s what he has in his tool kit.

    Plus skating, good size, already defensive awareness, not timid, not puck averse.

  59. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Ah, #1D. A new conversation. OK.

    Did anyone call Klefbom a #1D? Or Broberg? And did anyone say Broberg would/should score more than offense-first guys Makar and Hughes?

    So how did Broberg do compared to the best Swedish defensemen in the NHL?

    Broberg scored 45-1-7-8 in the SHL at age 18 (0.18 points/game). The 1OV picks (Hedberg and Dahlin) scored 20 points in their draft years. Not the same thing. But there’s also no shame in that.

    Other Swedish D by NHL sorted by points per game this year (who also played 22 minutes per game):

    Erik Karlsson SHL age 18 45-5-5-10
    Alex Edler was in the Swedish U20 league at 18 (0.7 p/game)
    John Klingberg SHL age 18 26-0-5-5
    Oscar Klefbom SHL age 18 33-2-0-2
    Mattias Ekholm Swedish D1 age 18 38-2-11-13
    Oliver Ekman-Larsson Swedish D1 age 18 42-9-18-27

    That’s everyone over 0.4 pts/game and 22 minutes a night who played in Sweden age 18.

    So Broberg scored better than most, and his calling card isn’t offense. It’s mobility and shutdown tools.

    I dunno, looks like a quality prospect.

    Oh, I think he’s a quality prospect but you’re looking back at the way the game used to be played.

    High value D now are expected to contribute offensively at a very high level.

    Miro Heiskanen is the poster boy for elite two way D and his numbers are far superior and he turned 20 last month with two NHL seasons under his belt.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Why do you think it will change?

    Has the team shed the players who were on the PP last season?

    Berglund has moved to Linkoping for one.

    Pudas to Jokerit (KHL) for two.

  61. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Berglund has moved to Linkoping for one.

    Pudas to Jokerit (KHL) for two.

    Didn’t realize Berglund switched teams too. So yeah Skelleftea’s top 2 scoring D have departed.

  62. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Harpers Hair: Oh, I think he’s a quality prospect but you’re looking back at the way the game used to be played.

    High value D now are expected to contribute offensively at a very high level.

    Miro Heiskanen is the poster boy for elite two way D and his numbers are far superior and he turned 20 last month with two NHL seasons under his belt.

    So, what makes you do this? You otherwise seem like a good person….

    But this other stuff is borderline ugly. Did you have a run-in with Messier back in the day, or have you always been this way towards Oiler fans?

    I don’t understand what is driving you. You could be amongst friends here, if you wanted, but you don’t seem to want that. What are you getting out of this? Seriously.

  63. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Oh, I think he’s a quality prospect but you’re looking back at the way the game used to be played.

    High value D now are expected to contribute offensively at a very high level.

    Miro Heiskanen is the poster boy for elite two way D and his numbers are far superior and he turned 20 last month with two NHL seasons under his belt.

    The way the game used to be played?

    Not sure what you think Broberg’s game is. Or what you think I think it is.

    The players I listed above are all 1st pairing defensemen who provide offense. Broberg projects at the top of that group if you look at role and production at 18.

    I’m not claiming he’s actually at the top of that group or expecting to score like Karlsson or Klingberg but I absolutely think 30-35 points is a RE, with a good all around game. IE, a strong 2-way D. Turns out your poster boy 2-way D scored 35 and 33 points in his 2 seasons (he just turned 21 by the way).

    Broberg is still a prospect so we can’t project his as Heiskanan obviously. But I do think he’s fully on track to be a 2 way D that provides Heiskanen level offense.

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some solid details coming out on important CBA/contract type matters.

    –  3 days after ratification, players on contracts with one year left can re-sign – wonder if we hear anything on the likes of Larsson and Nuge.

    – 7 days after ratification, players on the 7 non-participating teams or that opt-out, can sign in Europe. I believe that Granlund was coming back for camp and phase 4 but he wasn’t on Stauffer’s projected roster – I wonder if he opts out and signs in the KHL (as, from accounts, he already has a deal agreed to).

    Of note, if a players opts out and signs in Europe for next year, he is not eligible to play in the NHL next season.

    This could be interesting for someone like Lias Andersson who the Rangers asked to come back and he refused.

  65. Harpers Hair says:

    €√¥£€^$: So, what makes you do this?You otherwise seem like a good person….

    But this other stuff is borderline ugly.Did you have a run-in with Messier back in the day, or have you always been this way towards Oiler fans?

    I don’t understand what is driving you.You could be amongst friends here, if you wanted, but you don’t seem to want that.What are you getting out of this?Seriously.

    Haha.

    I did indeed have a run in with Messier in a bar back in the day…what a dick.

    Not sure why you think an objective, balanced view of prospects is a vice.

    Group think has never been my thing.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ya, Berglund re-united with an old coach of his.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Haha.

    I did indeed have a run in with Messier in a bar back in the day…what a dick.

    Not sure why you think an objective, balanced view of prospects is a vice.

    Group think has never been my thing.

    Anyone that claims they wouldn’t trade prospect Rafferty for prospect Bouchard or proven NHL top 4 d-men Bear or Klefbom cannot have an objective, balanced view of prospects.

    – Anyone who reads that one article and analyzes it to say “the Kings have the top 4 prospects out there” and then read Wheeler’s piece and talks about how Bouchard has so many prospects “breathing down his neck” does not have an objective, balanced view of prospects.

    You know hockey and can have great insights, however, its clear and without a doubt that you will ALWAYS stretch to find the negative as it relates to the Oilers and change criteria and move goal posts and make incorrect inferences to try and propagate that narrative.

  68. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    That’s the wrong quote, you mean Berglund I assume?

    On the content of the mis-quote. Is that for real? That would be odd and interesting.

  69. Pescador says:

    Harpers Hair: Haha.

    I did indeed have a run in with Messier in a bar back in the day…what a dick.

    Not sure why you think an objective, balanced view of prospects is a vice.

    Group think has never been my thing.

    Wow, what a load this is
    There is nothing about your views on Canuck players & prospects that is balanced, you bloat & inflate just to compare against Oiler players to try and suggest that they are superior as if it would change anyone’s opinion on the blog.
    Do you not realize that you share the exact same perspectives as 3 Million other Canuck fans? which is the very definition of Group Think.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    OriginalPouzar,

    That’s the wrong quote, you mean Berglund I assume?

    On the content of the mis-quote. Is that for real? That would be odd and interesting.

    Ya, I don’t know what happened there.

    Yup, true info on players opting out and signing in Europe – won’t be able to play in the NHL next season.

  71. maudite says:

    Pescador: Wow, what a load this is
    There is nothing about your views on Canuck players & prospects that is balanced, you bloat & inflate just to compare against Oiler players to try and suggest that they are superior as if it would change anyone’s opinion on the blog.
    Do you not realize that you share the exact same perspectives as 3 Million other Canuck fans? which is the very definition of Group Think.

    I don’t know why anyone is seeking clarity as to what DSF’s purpose is…he’s bored this blog is active daily and people keep throwing buckets of troll feed under his bridge. Yes, he does bring some interesting perspective SOMETIMES…most of the time though it’s simply trying to stir up useless never solid debanter (debate and banter put together…as it’s not really debate fully and it lacks enough wit for banter sake…I dunno what to call it.)

  72. Genjutsu says:

    maudite: I don’t know why anyone is seeking clarity as to what DSF’s purpose is…he’s bored this blog is active daily andpeople keep throwing buckets of troll feed under his bridge.Yes, he does bring some interesting perspective SOMETIMES…most of the time though it’s simply trying to stir up useless never solid debanter (debate and banter put together…as it’s not really debate fully and it lacks enough wit for banter sake…I dunno what to call it.)

    Shameless gaslighting with a healthy does deliberate disingenuous drivel?

  73. maudite says:

    Genjutsu: Shameless gaslighting with a healthy does deliberate disingenuous drivel?

    I like yours better…but you’d hope nearly no one could get gaslit over hockey fan matters…Right?

    “Shameless ____” and “disingenuous drivel” works though.

  74. defmn says:

    https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/

    With the NHL set to ratify a new extension for the Collective Bargaining Agreement, labor peace will be guaranteed for at least the next six years. That comes as very welcome news for hockey fans that have been waiting to see their favorite players back on the ice for several months. With any CBA negotiation, however, small changes will be made that benefit one side or the other—the NHL and NHLPA.

    One of those changes, as reported by Michael Russo of The Athletic and explained by Frank Seravalli in his latest piece for TSN, is to the rules governing recapture penalties. Previously, a complicated formula would force substantial cap penalties onto teams if a player with a front-loaded contract retired before its expiration. Now, that penalty cannot eclipse the original contract’s cap hit in a single year.

    So far only Roberto Luongo has created such penalties with his retirement last year.

    When Luongo hung up his pads, the Vancouver Canucks and Florida Panthers were each forced to deal with penalties against their salary cap, with the former suffering the bigger charge. The Canucks have a $3.033MM penalty through the 2021-22 season and unfortunately will not receive any relief from this rule change given Luongo’s cap hit was $5.33MM.

    The biggest winner (if you can even call it that) out of this new change may be the Nashville Predators, who were in danger of a potential ~$24.6MM cap charge if Shea Weber had retired just before the 2025-26 season. That number will now not eclipse the $7.86MM cap hit he carries, though that means it would be spread out over several years as the entire penalty must still be paid eventually.

    The Minnesota Wild are another team who could be affected, given the front-loaded nature of contracts signed by Ryan Suter and Zach Parise in 2012. Those deals don’t expire until 2025 but will have paid out $88MM of the initial $98MM guarantee by the end of next season.

    Seravalli has a comprehensive list of the other changes, but they include an increase to minimum salaries and a rule that no-trade clauses will remain in contracts even if the player is traded before the clause kicks in. Previously, the acquiring team was given the option to honor them—something the Predators chose not to do when they acquired P.K. Subban in 2016, days before the clause kicked in.

  75. digger50 says:

    Broberg is a fine prospect.

    But given the Oilers needs, Zegras would have been the correct pick. He could have been a significant, even gigantic help in the top 6 starting as early as this year.

    Holland made the Broberg pick. And in my opinion he did so thinking about Detroits needs, he did not have full understanding of Edmontons prospects.

    I would trade Broberg for Zegras in a second.

  76. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    digger50,

    I would have taken Krebs over Zegras in a heartbeat. Still would.

    But I believe Holland was looking at succession planning for either of Klefbom or Nurse. It was a bold but smart move considering the leftorium was already in place.

  77. tsunami says:

    Harpers Hair: Haha.

    Not sure why you think an objective, balanced view of prospects is a vice.

    Hahaha that’s a very good one buddy, thanks for the laugh

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    Harpers Hair: Haha.

    I did indeed have a run in with Messier in a bar back in the day…what a dick.

    Not sure why you think an objective, balanced view of prospects is a vice.

    Group think has never been my thing.

    Haha, that’s the HH we know and love: a bastion of objectivity and fairness – and humble about it, too!

  79. N64 says:

    Side:
    Must have been a rough day for HH today.

    Pre internet he kicked the Coombs goat on bad hair days. This is safer

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    digger50:
    Broberg is a fine prospect.

    But given the Oilers needs, Zegras would have been the correct pick. He could have been a significant, even gigantic help in the top 6 starting as early as this year.

    Holland made the Broberg pick. And in my opinion he did so thinking about Detroits needs, he did not have full understanding of Edmontons prospects.

    I would trade Broberg for Zegras in a second.

    It very well could end up true that Zegra was the “correct pick” but that is far far far from determined, even given team needs.

    Zegras will almost assuredly “arrive first” but the outcome of this likely isn’t known for many years – even if Zegras in the next couple.

  81. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Zegras will almost assuredly “arrive first

    Just shocked whenever a forward arrives before a defender.

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