September 3, 1999

Baseball does it so much better, marking time and place for all things great and small. When Rusty Staub returned to the Expos for a pennant run a decade after he captivated a nation, the moment took on a life of its own, like a coronation or a lifetime achievement award from the Academy.

Hockey? Who wants yesterday’s papers, who wants yesterday’s girl? Let’s go back to September 3, 1999.

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A lot of things happened in the summer of 1999. On June 7, Ron Low refused the Oilers offer for him to return as head coach. Edmonton would eventually hire Kevin Lowe as his replacement.

On June 25, the Oilers lost Kelly Buchberger to Atlanta in the expansion draft. The next day, the club traded minor league defenceman Craig Millar (he of the Satan deal) to the Nashville Predators for a third round draft pick in the 1999 NHL entry draft. That pick was used to select Mike Comrie.

At the draft, the Oilers selected Jani Rita, Alexei Semenov, Mike Comrie and Tony Salmelainen.

July 15, Edmonton signed Craig MacTavish as assistant coach. Four days later, Joe Hulbig signed with Boston, marking another Oilers first-rounder who didn’t work out. August 4, Bill Ranford signed as a free agent.

And on September 3, Oilers offer Esa Tikkanen a training camp tryout. Music! Tikkanen was a talented scorer, checker, agitator and could play on the top line or the fourth line and give you exceptional minutes. In 1986-87, my choice for best Oilers team ever, one of Gretzky or Kurri assisted on 28 of his 34 goals. Tikkanen never gets mentioned as the third man on that historic happening, but he was for much of the first two full seasons of his NHL career.

PRICKLY PLAYERS

Fair to say Tikkanen was loved by Oilers fans and hated by the enemy when an Oilers winger. He had a resting facial expression that said “I enjoy mayhem” and a coach in Glen Sather (whose resting facial expression was “I’m laughing at you because I can”) a man who valued the qualities he brought to the game. Does Edmonton have anyone like Tikkanen?

Zack Kassian has many of the same elements (his 15 goals would have been traded for maybe 19 goals in 1986-87) and brings that rambunctious and edgy style. Kassian isn’t the dogged defensive player Tikkanen was and that’s something Edmonton misses on the current team.

Who is Edmonton’s best defensive forward? That’s an interesting question. Dave Tippett’s usage chart tells us he sent (or the opposing coach matched) the following men out against elites most often this past season (as a percentage of five on five individual minutes): Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Zack Kassian. Kailer Yamamoto, Andreas Athanasiou and Tyler Ennis also played major minutes but in less than a full season. All of this is Puck IQ.

That’s it? Not very scientific. I also like to look at the relative numbers, for Puck IQ I see Dangerous Fenwick Rel Corsi (DFFRC%). The leaders were Leon Draisaitl (+7.0), Connor McDavid (+4.1) and Zack Kassian (+2.6).

No, you have misunderstood. I’m looking for best defensive forward, please and thanks. Well, Draisaitl, McDavid and Kassian played the elites and have better possession metrics than their fellow Oilers (Draisaitl almost 50 percent against elites straight up). That’s your answer.

Among players not considered top-six forwards (97, 29, 93, Yamamoto, Kassian) did anyone play a lot and well against elites? James Neal played over 30 percent of his time against elites with a CFF%RC of +0.20, that’s good work from the veteran.

Any numbers stand out to you? Several. McDavid outscored elites 26-16 but his DFF percentage is 47.80. That tells me his fast break style results in chances the other way on a counter strike. Oilers need to control those moments with better support. Nuge may land on the 97 line at some point to shore up the area.

Anything else? Gaetan Haas. He spent 26 percent of his time against elites, winning the DFF battle 51.90 percent with a rel of +7.5 and a goal differential of 5-2. Joakim Nygard had similar numbers, you need to see it again and another time but it’s a good arrow.

Anyone in the system who could be a two-way forward and also no fun to play against? Kirill Maksimov has many of the elements we would associate with this player type, and he has spent time on the PK. He is more of an offensive prospect, but I would suggest he is the best candidate in a pool with no obvious one.

What about this year’s draft? Ridly Greig of the Brandon Wheat Kings checks the agitator boxes not sure of his two-way acumen. He is undersized but has skill and Red Line called him a ‘pit bull’ with underrated skills.

This could save the Oilers some cap room in an offseason it’ll be badly needed. I wrote about the cap here.

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107 Responses to "September 3, 1999"

  1. Brantford Boy says:

    Who is Edmonton’s best defensive forward? Nuge… and in my humble opinion it isn’t even close… other players have great defensive moments or even good defensive games, Nuge however does it regularly.

    I think Kassian is ready to take on the agitator role for the playoff run… he’s supporting the 2017 playoff mutton chops… would love to see him destroy Kane in his favorite place along the half wall… of course this is easier said than done, the guy is a magician in a phone booth… sure glad Klefbom and Nurse man that side of the ice, speed will be key.

  2. oilfan9911 says:

    A Tikkanen story:

    I was in Nashville for the Oilers vs Preds when Connor was suspended. Leaving town, while making small talk with the Uber drive we mentioned we were from Edmonton and saw the game. The driver perked up and told us about a fare he had the other day: big guy, former hockey player who said he played with Gretzky, and was in town to have fun with old teammates, but couldn’t remember his name. This tracked with us as they had shown Gretzky on the jumbotron at the game. The driver said the player said he was better then Gretzky, but the coaches didn’t recognize it. We immediately started guessing who it could be: Mark Messier? No. Jari Kurri? No. The driver said he was European, and understood every third word or so coming out of his mouth. No prizes for guessing who the driver confirmed as his fare.

  3. dustrock says:

    I think McDavid is the Oilers’ best defensive forward….when he wants to be.

  4. Lowetide says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Who is Edmonton’s best defensive forward? Nuge… and in my humble opinion it isn’t even close…

    Agreed but this year the numbers didn’t bear that out, at least against elites.

  5. godot10 says:

    Brantford Boy:

    I think Kassian is ready to take on the agitator role for the playoff run… he’s supporting the 2017 playoff mutton chops… would love to see him destroy Kane in his favorite place along the half wall… of course this is easier said than done, the guy is a magician in a phone booth… sure glad Klefbom and Nurse man that side of the ice, speed will be key.

    I am thinking of having a pool for how many games it takes for Kassian to get himself suspended, if he doesn’t infect the team with Covid first.

  6. Rondo says:

    Hockey prospect likes Ridly Greig , he one of the youngest players in the draft.

  7. Ribs says:

    Maybe Patrick Russell takes a giant leap coming out of the Covid break. Wouldn’t that be something!

  8. jp says:

    It’s early, but I might give some consideration to Kailer Yamamoto as the teams best defensive forward.

  9. jp says:

    godot10: I am thinking of having a pool for how many games it takes for Kassian to get himself suspended, if he doesn’t infect the team with Covid first.

    FWIW he has 2 suspensions in 2020 and only 2 over the rest of his NHL career. Might be a while till the next one.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, I can see some similarities between Kass and Tik but, at the end of the day, there is no comparison as to value – Kass would have to bring something on the defensive end of the game for there to be a conversation.

    With that said, Kass’ on his game, straddling the line but not crossing it, can and will be a valuable playe in the playoffs!

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    When he’s on his game and not making mental errors due to cumulative fatigue, I would throw Leon Draisaitl out there as the team’s best defensive forward.

    He was a two-way beast in October, lets recall.

  12. dustrock says:

    https://theathletic.com/1892364/2020/07/09/by-the-numbers-identifying-the-nhls-best-puck-moving-defensemen/

    Interesting look at defencemen moving the puck out of the DZ and holy hell Roman Josi.

    Also: Quinn Hughes is the next Scott Niedermayer full stop.

    Spoiler: was hoping Klefbom or Bear might show up on the extended list (I knew they wouldn’t be top 10), but alas, no.

    This is the area where one really hopes Evan Bouchard can step up next year.

  13. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yes, I can see some similarities between Kass and Tik but, at the end of the day, there is no comparison as to value – Kass would have to bring something on the defensive end of the game for there to be a conversation.

    Esa Tikkanen, smart as a whip.
    Zack Kassian, dumber than a bag of hammers.

    No similarity at all.

  14. jtblack says:

    Rondo:
    Hockey prospect likes Ridly Greig , he one of the youngest players in the draft.

    and from Lethbridge, Alberta !! Go Ridly. He’s been great all the way up and thru Junior. I hear some scouts question his overall skating. He’s not a bad skater, but he doesn’t have great acceleration or a top gear.

    And yes, AUG 2002. Finished the season really strong. I was hoping he would fall to round 2, but he seems to be moving up the charts to the 20 – 30 range …

  15. JOFA says:

    godot10: I am thinking of having a pool for how many games it takes for Kassian to get himself suspended, if he doesn’t infect the team with Covid first.

    Calm down Godot. You sound like the guy who is always complaining about Schremp ?

  16. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When he’s on his game and not making mental errors due to cumulative fatigue, I would throw Leon Draisaitl out there as the team’s best defensive forward.

    He was a two-way beast in October, lets recall.

    Yeah, if Drai shortened up his shifts, he really could be Kopitar.

  17. Harpers Hair says:

    Judd Brackett announced as Director of Amateur Scouting of the Minnesota Wild.

  18. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    When he’s on his game and not making mental errors due to cumulative fatigue, I would throw Leon Draisaitl out there as the team’s best defensive forward.

    He was a two-way beast in October, lets recall.

    Think I’m on board with this as well. When Drai is not fatigued and on his game, he’s an absolute beast in both ends of the rink. He certainly had some of the most spectacular takeaways on the team this year.

  19. JimmyV1965 says:

    dustrock: Yeah, if Drai shortened up his shifts, he really could be Kopitar.

    Except that Kopitar was never as good as Drai is today. And it’s not even close.

  20. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: I am thinking of having a pool for how many games it takes for Kassian to get himself suspended, if he doesn’t infect the team with Covid first.

    It’s funny. Your anti-Kass rants came flooding back to me this morning because you’ve been quiet about it for awhile. I’m not commenting on Kass as a player, but geez try to be at least somewhat objective.

  21. JimmyV1965 says:

    I really don’t understand why the Devils hired Lindy Ruff. I think it’s often hard to judge the quality of coaching, but he’s 60 years old, with a very mediocre record. The Sabres made some noise about 15 years ago, but he’s been very underwhelming since then.

  22. Harpers Hair says:

    dustrock:
    https://theathletic.com/1892364/2020/07/09/by-the-numbers-identifying-the-nhls-best-puck-moving-defensemen/

    Interesting look at defencemen moving the puck out of the DZ and holy hell Roman Josi.

    Also: Quinn Hughes is the next Scott Niedermayer full stop.

    Spoiler: was hoping Klefbom or Bear might show up on the extended list (I knew they wouldn’t be top 10), but alas, no.

    This is the area where one really hopes Evan Bouchard can step up next year.

    Josi is truly the epitome of the modern #1D.

    Just a treat to watch.

  23. BONE207 says:

    LT is firing on all cylinders today.
    References to Armitage, Sather & Tikanen facial expressions & the banter with his alter ego. Love it.
    Now for that checking defensive forward on CONNOR’S line, Kassian could do the job admirably if Tippett could penetrate his skull. If he didn’t chew off the end of the cord, maybe he could be plugged in & reprogrammed

  24. BONE207 says:

    JOFA: Calm down Godot.You sound like the guy who is always complaining about Schremp ?

    Or the guy who wants to drive Nurse to the airport

  25. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: It’s funny. Your anti-Kass rants came flooding back to me this morning because you’ve been quiet about it for awhile.I’m not commenting on Kass as a player, but geez try to be at least somewhat objective.

    I had imposed an unilateral cone-of-silence on myself on this issue during the hiatus, but yesterday, before camp even opened, Kassian did something braindead, putting the health of the entire team and OIlers playoffs in jeopardy.

    Kassian is the apotheosis of casual narcissistic cluelessness.

    So #Triggered

  26. dustrock says:

    JimmyV1965: Except that Kopitar was never as good as Drai is today.And it’s not even close.

    Obviously it was meant more of a two-way sense. Drai had some fly-bys looking for offense at times.

    Kopitar doesn’t have the offensive skill, no doubt.

  27. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Judd Brackett announced as Director of Amateur Scouting of the Minnesota Wild.

    Early days but Guerin looks like he knows what he is doing so far.

  28. defmn says:

    godot10: the apotheosis of casual narcissistic cluelessness

    That is worth stealing. 😉

  29. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: Early days but Guerin looks like he knows what he is doing so far.

    Agree.
    Apparently Seattle also went hard for Brackett but Guerin won the day.

  30. Reja says:

    BONE207: Or the guy who wants to drive Nurse to the airport

    What about the guy that thinks Benson stole his parking stall at Queen Donair last year and now trolls him seven days a week and twice on Sundays

  31. JOFA says:

    Reja: What about the guythat thinks Benson stole his parking stall at Queen Donairlast year and now trolls him seven days a week and twice on Sundays

    He would be a lot like the guy that slams Schremp?

  32. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: It’s funny. Your anti-Kass rants came flooding back to me this morning because you’ve been quiet about it for awhile.I’m not commenting on Kass as a player, but geez try to be at least somewhat objective.

    Kassian is a valuable player on many levels and the management of the Oilers knows it.

    Fans on the other hand…

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wild hire Judd Bracket as director of amateur scouting.

  34. slopitch says:

    Sept 3, 1999. Turned 18 that day. Oh to rewind time and relive those times 🙂

    Fun fact: 42 percent of all 5-on-5 goals occur within five seconds of the attacking team entering the offensive zone.

    Did no know that stat. Interesting to see Sam Girard coming out so well. Offense hasnt translated for him yet. It stings to see John Marino in such a nice light too.

  35. Darth Tu says:

    Personally I’m excited to see Kassian fired up and ready to go in the playoffs. What’s the chances of meeting the Flames? I’d love to see him go to town on that Tkachuk fellow in a 4 or 5 game series (Oilers win of course).

  36. powerploy says:

    i like kass, but occasionally he does sometimes make a braindead move. this one where he puts this team, nhl playoffs and his own family at risk is by far the worse yet.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m intrigued by Haas having a more substantial role in the bottom six next season.

    His defensive metrics were great this year and his ability to draw penalties fantastic – I don’t know if that is a repeatable skill for a non-elite.

    I also expect him to be used on the PK more consistently next season – from accounts, i.e. his agent, that is something he excelled at in Europe. I anticipate the Coaches T. and P. didn’t use him on the PK as a way to help ease him in to North American hockey and the best league in the world.

  38. OriginalPouzar says:

    Maksimov is a good thought and answer to that question. Yup, he played PK for the Condors from day 1 and was solid. He was also a top PK guy in the OHL – he is more than just a shooter and has the potential to make the NHL in various ways.

  39. Munny says:

    healthyscratch:
    Good article from Colby’s wife.

    https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/29428384/emily-cave-my-life-colby-cave-how-honor-legacy

    This is fantastic. Good for her. Two things really stood out for me… That his last convo besides his wife was with Gretzky letting him know he would be a Black Ace for the playoffs, and second, scoring in front of his wife in his last hockey game.

    Knowing those two things makes the whole tragedy a little easier.

  40. Victoria Oil says:

    oilfan9911:
    A Tikkanen story:

    I was in Nashville for the Oilers vs Preds when Connor was suspended. Leaving town, while making small talk with the Uber drive we mentioned we were from Edmonton and saw the game. The driver perked up and told us about a fare he had the other day: big guy, former hockey player who said he played with Gretzky, and was in town to have fun with old teammates, but couldn’t remember his name. This tracked with us asthey had shown Gretzky on the jumbotron at the game. The driver said the player said he was better then Gretzky, but the coaches didn’t recognize it. We immediately started guessing who it could be: Mark Messier? No. Jari Kurri? No. The driver said he was European, and understood every third word or so coming out of his mouth. No prizes for guessing who the driver confirmed as his fare.

    I don’t think Finns understand more than his every third word when he’s speaking Finnish.

  41. rogue says:

    Kurri once said “Esa is a Finnish experiment gone wrong”

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Its funny, Friedman had a lot of responses regarding his use of “very interesting” but I indeed found it so last night.

    Obviously the Oilers are going to have a bonus overage penalty on the cap and the extent of it is unknown. Smith gets an addition $250K for each of 40 and 45 games – he’s at 39. I’d be shocked if he didn’t get at least $250K of that extra if not the entire $500K. Plus he has $750K in “playoff bonuses” but its uncertain, at least to me, how that playoff bonus vests.

    Either way, I wonder when a GM is going to have to decide on this. Hopefully not until after free agency is will under way, on the eve of the season, so that Holland knows if he needs the extra cash for this year. Preference is to just get it over and done with but, if he needs a small amount to get a deal done, the option to spread the pain is nice to have.

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock: Yeah, if Drai shortened up his shifts, he really could be Kopitar.

    Well, yes, he does take the longest shifts in the league, I believe.

    I wasn’t really talking about acute fatigue though – I was thinking more about cumulative fatigue – lets remember, he was often playin 25-26 minutes per night in the fall – especially when guys like Sheahan and Archie and Nuge were out and he was taking material PK minutes.

  44. Jaxon says:

    jp:
    It’s early, but I might give some consideration to Kailer Yamamoto as the teams best defensive forward.

    Good point, he’s a pickpocket machine.

  45. Ribs says:

    Munny: This is fantastic.Good for her. Two things really stood out for me…That his last convo besides his wife was with Gretzky letting him know he would be a Black Ace for the playoffs, and second, scoring in front of his wife in his last hockey game.

    Knowing those two things makes the whole tragedy a little easier.

    It was also heartening to read that the Tippett’s were there for them throughout the ordeal and that Connor and Lauren have been checking in since Colby’s passing. Those are great teammates right there.

  46. dustrock says:

    I would hope Kassian had no idea some rando was a HA member.

    I am a little unclear about the issue of quarantine at this stage of the NHL deal for people who actually live in Edmonton. Are the players from Edmonton required to be in the bubble at this point if they haven’t traveled back from overseas?

  47. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Its funny, Friedman had a lot of responses regarding his use of “very interesting” but I indeed found it so last night.

    Obviously the Oilers are going to have a bonus overage penalty on the cap and the extent of it is unknown.Smith gets an addition $250K for each of 40 and 45 games – he’s at 39.I’d be shocked if he didn’t get at least $250K of that extra if not the entire $500K. Plus he has $750K in “playoff bonuses” but its uncertain, at least to me, how that playoff bonus vests.

    Either way, I wonder when a GM is going to have to decide on this. Hopefully not until after free agency is will under way, on the eve of the season, so that Holland knows if he needs the extra cash for this year. Preference is to just get it over and done with but, if he needs a small amount to get a deal done, the option to spread the pain is nice to have.

    Simple solution to the bonus payment issue. Pay the player if they would earn the bonus over a full season, but don’t apply the bonus to the cap.

  48. BONE207 says:

    powerploy:
    i like kass, but occasionally he does sometimes make a braindead move. this one where he puts this team, nhl playoffs and his own family at risk is by far the worse yet.

    Before we blackball him & then tar/feather him, let’s remember that he’s doing this in Edmonton & not in a club in Miami. Lightning will kill him first here.

    Who’s tired of covid? ?

  49. tileguy says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Who is Edmonton’s best defensive forward? Nuge… and in my humble opinion it isn’t even close… other players have great defensive moments or even good defensive games, Nuge however does it regularly.

    I think Kassian is ready to take on the agitator role for the playoff run… he’s supporting the 2017 playoff mutton chops… would love to see him destroy Kane in his favorite place along the half wall… of course this is easier said than done, the guy is a magician in a phone booth… sure glad Klefbom and Nurse man that side of the ice, speed will be key.

    The agitator role in the playoff run will be by committee, ie the 4th line. (You know what players I’m talking about)

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Good to see Oscar joining the team for Phase 2 and back on Rogers’ ice. I don’t think we’ve seen Archie….. come on down Josh.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1281345105035530240

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Per McKenzie:

    Players electronic voting for RTP and CBA opened up Wednesday at 6 eastern and closes on Friday at 6 eastern.

    BOG have their call to approve (rubber-stamp) Friday afternoon.

    So, this thing should be official on Friday evening (unless the players surprisingly vote against it).

    ————

    For the play-in round – each match-up may have one back to back but, other than that, every second day.

    ————

    Bob’s main concern is the same as mine – without full lockdown of players, coaches, staff during camp, the concern is not having an outbreak and getting in to the hubs/secure zones on July 26 – most seem confidant that, if they can get phase 4 started, they are in very good shape to complete.

    ———–

    Team hotel assignments have been made. In both hubs they go by seeding – In Toronto the top teams are at Hotel X and the bottom teams need to slum it at the Royal York.

    Similar in Edmonton where STL, COL, VEG, DAL, EDM, NSH are at the new Marriott and the others slumming it at Sutton Place.

  52. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    ha ha ha that’s so funny re the hotels

  53. leadfarmer says:

    dustrock:
    I would hope Kassian had no idea some rando was a HA member.

    I am a little unclear about the issue of quarantine at this stage of the NHL deal for people who actually live in Edmonton.Are the players from Edmonton required to be in the bubble at this point if they haven’t traveled back from overseas?

    What do Hell’s Angels do in Canada?
    Refuse to apologize?

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Good to see Oscar joining the team for Phase 2 and back on Rogers’ ice.I don’t think we’ve seen Archie….. come on down Josh.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1281345105035530240

    Check that, Archie is back (and Mikko):

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1281352721514196992

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs:
    Maybe Patrick Russell takes a giant leap coming out of the Covid break. Wouldn’t that be something!

    While he will be with team, I’m sure, if P. Russell is in the Oilers lineup in the playoffs, the Oilers have lineup issues.

  56. SwedishPoster says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Good to see Oscar joining the team for Phase 2 and back on Rogers’ ice.I don’t think we’ve seen Archie….. come on down Josh.

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1281345105035530240

    Isn’t orange the non-contact jersey? Hopefully Klef just put it on out of habit…

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Except that Kopitar was never as good as Drai is today.And it’s not even close.

    Drai has been compared to Kopitar for as long as he’s been an Oiler (maybe even prior).

    While I agree that Drai has zoomed past Kopitar and is in a higher tier that Anze ever was (one 92 point season as an outlier to a 65-75 point producer), as far as the two-way game, Drai still lags behind Anze but that is just due to defensive consistency as Drai can be dominant in all areas of the ice.

    Shit, if Drai is able to become as consistent defensively as Kopitar, then we may be talking about one of the all time great players……

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965:
    I really don’t understand why the Devils hired Lindy Ruff. I think it’s often hard to judge the quality of coaching, but he’s 60 years old, with a very mediocre record.The Sabres made some noise about 15 years ago, but he’s been very underwhelming since then.

    Fair but wouldn’t the same apply to Tippett prior to the Oilers hiring him? Arizona missed the playoffs for 5 straight years with Coach T. as their head……. He hadn’t coached a playoff team in 8-9 years when the Oilers hired him.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Kassian is a valuable player on many levels and the management of the Oilers knows it.

    Fans on the other hand…

    I would change “is” to “can be”.

    Consistency is not something Kass has found at the NHL level.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    I would hope Kassian had no idea some rando was a HA member.

    I am a little unclear about the issue of quarantine at this stage of the NHL deal for people who actually live in Edmonton.Are the players from Edmonton required to be in the bubble at this point if they haven’t traveled back from overseas?

    I assume that is the case – from accounts, the HA member is a “social butterfly” and he very well just could have been a random fan to Kass at a coffee shop.

    On your second point, nope, there are no official restrictions on players away from the rink during phase 2 and, in fact, there aren’t any in phase 3 (although they are supposed to “stay home as much as possible).

    The point is, though, knowing that training camp is days away and the key is to get through the phase 2 and phase 3 period and in to phase 4 without an outbreak and without bringing the virus in to the secure zone, players should be very selective on where they go and should be protecting themselves as much as possible. Taking facemask-less selfies with randoms is NOT conducive to that even though not technically against NHL or team protocol.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV1965: Simple solution to the bonus payment issue. Pay the player if they would earn the bonus over a full season, but don’t apply the bonus to the cap.

    I have “suggested” the same but I don’t know if the league is going to bifurcate the two like we suggest.

  62. OriginalPouzar says:

    This is exactly what CANNOT HAPPEN over the next few weeks prior to phase 4 and why its imperative that the players stay the eff home when not at the rink – yes, in Edmonton as well as Tampa, Phoenix, etc.

    Paul Almeida
    @AzorcanGlobal
    The
    @MLS
    just had two teams expelled from their Tournament for having players test positive for Covid.
    @FCDallas
    had 10 positive players & a coach while
    @NashvilleSC
    had 9 players.
    Can you imagine an
    @NHL
    team withdrawing from the play in round for too many infected players?

  63. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    This is exactly what CANNOT HAPPEN over the next few weeks prior to phase 4 and why its imperative that the players stay the eff home when not at the rink – yes, in Edmonton as well as Tampa, Phoenix, etc.

    Paul Almeida
    @AzorcanGlobal
    The
    @MLSjust had two teams expelled from their Tournament for having players test positive for Covid.
    @FCDallashad 10 positive players & a coach while
    @NashvilleSChad 9 players.
    Can you imagine an
    @NHLteam withdrawing from the play in round for too many infected players?

    I’d be shocked if they don’t have an outbreak

  64. Harpers Hair says:

    The University of North Carolina just had 34 players and staff test positive.

  65. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Fair but wouldn’t the same apply to Tippett prior to the Oilers hiring him? Arizona missed the playoffs for 5 straight years with Coach T. as their head…….He hadn’t coached a playoff team in 8-9 years when the Oilers hired him.

    The big difference is the quality of teams. Tip made bad rosters play better. Ruff not so much. After that post, I looked at the Dallas rosters and it wasn’t exactly loaded, but they decent skill; and they did have Seguin and Benn. I’m not sure Arizona has ever had a player as good as those two.

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I have “suggested” the same but I don’t know if the league is going to bifurcate the two like we suggest.

    I agree. Don’t think they do it.

  67. JimmyV1965 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    This is exactly what CANNOT HAPPEN over the next few weeks prior to phase 4 and why its imperative that the players stay the eff home when not at the rink – yes, in Edmonton as well as Tampa, Phoenix, etc.

    Paul Almeida
    @AzorcanGlobal
    The
    @MLSjust had two teams expelled from their Tournament for having players test positive for Covid.
    @FCDallashad 10 positive players & a coach while
    @NashvilleSChad 9 players.
    Can you imagine an
    @NHLteam withdrawing from the play in round for too many infected players?

    Not good. Not good at all. If a team comes in with a bunch of positive players, they will have to quarantine the entire crew inside the bubble and wait for the 14 days, or until they test negative a few times.

  68. godot10 says:

    SwedishPoster: Isn’t orange the non-contact jersey? Hopefully Klef just put it on out of habit…

    At official Oiler practices: Top six wear dark blue. Bottom six wear white. D wear grey or orange.

  69. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would change “is” to “can be”.

    Consistency is not something Kass has found at the NHL level.

    Reliability is not something that Kassian has ever demonstrated.

  70. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I assume that is the case – from accounts, the HA member is a “social butterfly” and he very well just could have been a random fan to Kass at a coffee shop.

    Except the Postmedia article about the incident said Kassian followed the guy on Instagram.

  71. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: I’d be shocked if they don’t have an outbreak

    Prior to getting to the secure zones or after?

  72. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Prior to getting to the secure zones or after?

    Ugly scenario is one team member enters with it in spite of testing and next thing you know 10 have it. #benningeffect.

  73. ArmchairGM says:

    leadfarmer: What do Hell’s Angels do in Canada?
    Refuse to apologize?

    Gold!

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Drai has been compared to Kopitar for as long as he’s been an Oiler (maybe even prior).

    While I agree that Drai has zoomed past Kopitar and is in a higher tier that Anze ever was (one 92 point season as an outlier to a 65-75 point producer), as far as the two-way game, Drai still lags behind Anze but that is just due to defensive consistency as Drai can be dominant in all areas of the ice.

    Shit, if Drai is able to become as consistent defensively as Kopitar, then we may be talking about one of the all time great players……

    We might be talking about multiple Cups.

  75. Harpers Hair says:

    ArmchairGM: We might be talking about multiple Cups.

    You obviously haven’t seen the Colorado lineup, their incoming elite prospects and their abundant cap space.

    That’s where cup hopes will go to die.

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Colorado is indeed set up to be an elite contender yearly for the foreseeable future.

    Of course, the best team on paper doesn’t always win the cup and sometimes never do during their window. The Lighting players can tell us all about it.

    If Holland doesn’t make any major mistakes and limits the small ones to Kassian-signing type mistakes (not egregious but was too early for that signing as was posited at the time – turned out to be more than true), having two elite superstars and a solid supporting cast with deepening depth could very well sneak in there for a cup or two.

  77. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: You obviously haven’t seen the Colorado lineup, their incoming elite prospects and their abundant cap space.

    That’s where cup hopes will go to die.

    Moved on from your Canucks to a more likely rival to troll with?

    Sounds like you follow Calgary, with that lame brained opinion.

  78. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: You obviously haven’t seen the Colorado lineup, their incoming elite prospects and their abundant cap space.

    That’s where cup hopes will go to die.

    Sorry bud. Anything other than Brocade Raffishness and the glorious Dys from you and it might as well be Charlie Brown’s teacher

  79. powerploy says:

    BONE207,

    he’s not being tarred and feathered hes been constructively criticized for his lack of judgement. the same thing has happened in vancouver where virtanen was seen at a night club no mask no social distancing. if nothing else these fellows should be considerate of their team mates and their families, even if they don’t care about the playoffs. what bothers me the most is on this site and on comments about Virtanen there were identical comments, that its not an issue, non of our business. Well being a professional sport player doesn’t excuse them and being a fan shouldn’t mean we give them the green light to do what they want. Maybe there is more to this story then we are hearing, but i doubt it. The comment from the vancouver canucks was essentially identical to how the oilers responded, so appears to be a mandated NHL response.

  80. Harpers Hair says:

    N64: Sorry bud. Anything other than Brocade Raffishness and the glorious Dys from you and it might as well be Charlie Brown’s teacher

    After a ten year rebuild and winning the lottery like a couple of babas at the bingo hall, the Oilers should be among the elite teams in the league but they’re not even close.

    The Canucks rebuild started when the Sedins retired two seasons ago but they’ve made significant progress and we’ll have to see how they fare going forward.

    Worth noting their winning percentage was within a hair of the vaunted Oilers when the season ended.

  81. Munny says:

    powerploy,

    We know little about the situation other than a photo was taken, and taken with the HA facing away from, and in front of, Kassian, which is exactly what you want to see.

    What we cannot say from that photo is whether any physical distancing mandates were broken as depth is impossible to determine from a photo. We don’t know.

    We don’t know how long it took to pose and take the photo… maybe 3 seconds, maybe 5 maybe longer, but we don’t know.

    The two were in a coffee shop… likely to consume coffee and perhaps a snack, which is perfectly fine to do without a mask. They both may have been wearing a mask on entry to the shop… we don’t know.

    So based on a whole lot of we don’t know… the Twitter Lynch mobs are out. But it is never right to judge people with little or no information.

  82. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: You obviously haven’t seen the Colorado lineup, their incoming elite prospects and their abundant cap space.

    That’s where cup hopes will go to die.

    The Avs do have a very good team + a great pipeline. Sounds like you’re calling a dynasty, how many cups do you figure? 3? 4? 5?

  83. oilsnc79 says:

    oilfan9911:
    A Tikkanen story:

    I was in Nashville for the Oilers vs Preds when Connor was suspended. Leaving town, while making small talk with the Uber drive we mentioned we were from Edmonton and saw the game. The driver perked up and told us about a fare he had the other day: big guy, former hockey player who said he played with Gretzky, and was in town to have fun with old teammates, but couldn’t remember his name. This tracked with us asthey had shown Gretzky on the jumbotron at the game. The driver said the player said he was better then Gretzky, but the coaches didn’t recognize it. We immediately started guessing who it could be: Mark Messier? No. Jari Kurri? No. The driver said he was European, and understood every third word or so coming out of his mouth. No prizes for guessing who the driver confirmed as his fare.
    Must have spoke… Tikaneze

  84. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer: What do Hell’s Angels do in Canada?
    Refuse to apologize?

    Not a joking matter IMO.

    Perhaps we should take a knee when saying Kassian like they did for Sinatra.

    Organized crime groups aren’t ok to me.

    Even Manson had women wanting to marry him while in prison. Being ‘sociable’ isn’t a pass.

  85. Side says:

    BONE207: Before we blackball him & then tar/feather him,let’s remember that he’s doing this in Edmonton & not in a club in Miami. Lightning will kill him first here.

    Who’s tired of covid? ?

    Death count from COVID in Edmonton is at 20 and 37 new cases in the last 24 hours.

    What’s the death/injury rate from lightning bolts in Edmonton lately?

  86. Side says:

    I’m surprised masks haven’t been made mandatory for players when they are in public, tbh.

  87. Material Elvis says:

    Side:
    I’m surprised masks haven’t been made mandatory for players when they are in public, tbh.

    I don’t know how they would enforce that. Fines, I suppose, but you are relying on the public to police that. And it’s possibly illegal to force anyone to do something off work hours that isn’t government mandated. That said, I’m surprised that the players don’t want to wear masks for anonymity. It’s the first time they can go out without being recognized/bothered.

  88. Material Elvis says:

    jp: The Avs do have a very good team + a great pipeline. Sounds like you’re calling a dynasty, how many cups do you figure? 3? 4? 5?

    Putting his patented hex on the Avs. This is great news.

  89. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: After a ten year rebuild and winning the lottery like a couple of babas at the bingo hall, the Oilers should be among the elite teams in the league but they’re not even close.

    The Canucks rebuild started when the Sedins retired two seasons ago but they’ve made significant progress and we’ll have to see how they fare going forward.

    Worth noting their winning percentage was within a hair of the vaunted Oilers when the season ended.

    Last I heard it’s about the players on the team. Good luck Dys.

  90. Material Elvis says:

    SwedishPoster: Isn’t orange the non-contact jersey? Hopefully Klef just put it on out of habit…

    The non-contact jersey color for all teams is yellow.

  91. greenshifter says:

    When a HA members asks for a photo……you take the photo!

  92. Material Elvis says:

    defmn: Early days but Guerin looks like he knows what he is doing so far.

    When your competition is Kim Pegula, it’s like taking candy from a baby.

  93. Side says:

    Material Elvis: I don’t know how they would enforce that.Fines, I suppose, but you are relying on the public to police that.And it’s possibly illegal to force anyone to do something off work hours that isn’t government mandated. That said, I’m surprised that the players don’t want to wear masks for anonymity.It’s the first time they can go out without being recognized/bothered.

    I’m not saying there should be some super strict penalties requiring policing.

    But I would think the players union would push them towards wearing masks in public.

    It’s not like players are foreign to following a dress code given the CBA has a game day dress code to help “change the mindset” or whatever of players.

    One would think it would be easy and players would be willing to wear masks in public if pushed to doing it, given how it’s for their and others safety.

    The aversion to wearing masks seems to be a cultural thing which North America seems reluctant to adopting, for whatever dumb reason.

  94. BONE207 says:

    Side: Death count from COVID in Edmonton is at 20 and 37 new cases in the last 24 hours.

    What’s the death/injury rate from lightning bolts in Edmonton lately?

    If we all go out right now & stand in the rain, we’ll have an answer by the morning.

  95. Side says:

    BONE207: If we all go out right now & stand in the rain, we’ll have an answer by the morning.

    So you’re saying people should stay in their houses to stay safe.

    I agree.

  96. Material Elvis says:

    Side: I’m not saying there should be some super strict penalties requiring policing.

    But I would think the players union would push them towards wearing masks in public.

    It’s not like players are foreign to following a dress code given the CBA has a game day dress code to help “change the mindset” or whatever of players.

    One would think it would be easy and players would be willing to wear masks in public if pushed to doing it, given how it’s for their and others safety.

    The aversion to wearing masks seems to be a cultural thing which North America seems reluctant to adopting, for whatever dumb reason.

    There’s a group for everyone. Anti-mask, anti-vax, truther, denier, don’t give a fuck, freedom fighter, Karens, vanity. Lots of reasons, none of which are very good. Maybe Kassian just forgot to put his mask on that day. Nice mutton chops, btw. He needs to be more cautious and am sure has heard that from more important places than Twitter. If the Oilers players are safe, they might win the Stanley Cup based on health.

  97. Material Elvis says:

    BONE207: If we all go out right now & stand in the rain, we’ll have an answer by the morning.

    You might drown. What a storm!

  98. BONE207 says:

    Side: So you’re saying people should stay in their houses to stay safe.

    I agree.

    But Mama…that’s not where the fun is…

  99. BONE207 says:

    Material Elvis: You might drown.What a storm!

    It sure is a fun one. Stand on higher ground. That’ll prevent drowning…

  100. hunter1909 says:

    Harpers Hair: After a ten year rebuild and winning the lottery like a couple of babas at the bingo hall, the Oilers should be among the elite teams in the league but they’re not even close.

    The Canucks rebuild started when the Sedins retired two seasons ago but they’ve made significant progress and we’ll have to see how they fare going forward.

    Worth noting their winning percentage was within a hair of the vaunted Oilers when the season ended.

    This is an excellent example of The Former Oilers Fan now with Patty Hearst Syndrome, when challenged, returning to his Vancouver Canuckscentricism.

  101. Fuge Udvar says:

    leadfarmer: What do Hell’s Angels do in Canada?
    Refuse to apologize?

    Import and distribute cocaine

  102. hunter1909 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Not a joking matter IMO.

    Perhaps we should take a knee when saying Kassian like they did for Sinatra.

    Organized crime groups aren’t ok to me.

    Even Manson had women wanting to marry him while in prison. Being ‘sociable’ isn’t a pass.

    Sure maybe, but when law enforcement got involved, the Hells Angels were little more than a rag tag bunch of motorbike enthusiasts who took handfuls of cheap and oftentimes worthless drugs just to try to get out of their heads.

    That was the 1960s of course when the West was still relatively free. Today in preachy 2020 you have a creeping Police State backed by cancerous state bureaucracies and the bankers who bribe them. I’m certain Goldman Sachs gets up to a lot worse than the identikit bikers you fret over.

  103. N64 says:

    hunter1909: This is an excellent example of The Former Oilers Fan now with Patty Hearst Syndrome, when challenged, returning to his Vancouver Canuckscentricism.

    Just a bit clumsy in the aisles of the Dys store and now he owns that merchandise. Not sure what he’s going to do with that broken Judd Bracket bobblehead.

  104. Harpers Hair says:

    Todd Hlushko (@ToddHlushko) Tweeted:
    For anyone who is a DEL hockey fan. The start of the season has been pushed back from September 18th to November 2020.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Todd Hlushko (@ToddHlushko) Tweeted:
    For anyone who is a DEL hockey fan. The start of the season has been pushed back from September 18th to November 2020.

    Ya, I read that a few minutes ago.

    I wonder if that is going to be the norm for the European leagues?

    KHL has already started their development camps.

  106. powerploy says:

    Munny,
    i didn’t base my judgement on the picture.
    Read the quotes from from the journal news article, the statement made by the oilers organization in my mind confirms that that social distancing rules were not followed and so they reminded him of the importance of it.

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