A Rational Look at Prospect ETA’s

by Lowetide

I don’t mention it, which is bad manners, but am indebted to readers for following me down rabbit holes and mine shafts of prospect evaluation and progress measurement over many years. I’ve never asked you once if you’re interested, nor poured you a drink, just got right into the weeds. And we’re back.

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THE 2015 SPRING LIST

On April 10, 2015, I posted the following list of players who were either ready, close to ready, or had some travelling to do. Here are the words, with an update on how accurate my predictions were.

NHL READY NOW

D Oscar Klefbom. It seems silly to list him here but there were questions about development time at the beginning of the year and Klefbom did in fact spend time in OKC this season. He won’t see the minors again. Update: This is correct. Klefbom has been in the NHL since and delivered quality play.

C Anton Lander. The new contract signals arrival and if that wasn’t enough watching the games shows his growth as a player. My oh my, what a wonderful thing to see: An actual NHL player developed via the minor league system. Now that the club has done it, the trick is to repeat it. Update: Lander stayed in the NHL, and would last two more years in the organization, Todd Nelson the only coach who saw him as a top-9 solution. Foot speed was the issue.

R Tyler Pitlick. If the young man could stay healthy I’d be willing to bet Pitlick is on the opening night roster in the fall. This week’s games had value despite the standings, as the young winger has shown a range of skills (and scored a goal) to put his name front and center for next year. Update: Oh Pitlick! In 2015-16, he would spend the year (injury riddled) in Bakersfield before finally emerging as an NHL player in 2016-17. He might still be an Oilers winger but yet another injury meant he qualified as a UFA in the summer of 2017. He is now a productive NHL role player.

D Martin Marincin. There are gaps in his game (awareness, strength) but it’s my guess he’ll settle in as a solid top 6 defenseman for many NHL seasons—hopefully with the Oilers. Update: I missed by a little, he is more a No. 8 NHL defenseman. He has played in every NHL season since 2013-14 and continues to have the wingspan of a massive jet airliner.

D Brandon Davidson. I think he’s ready for the 7D role, but that job is likely to be gifted to a veteran like Nikitin or Ference next season. Davidson has impressed me with his mobility, grit and passing. Far better player than I thought he’d be, Davidson has a chance to have a career. Update: It happened just this way, Davidson emerged as the best defenseman Edmonton drafted in 2010. Injuries kept him from staying in the lineup but there was a time when this player looked capable of a career as a top-4 NHL defenseman.

ANY DAY NOW

D Darnell Nurse. I think it makes worlds of sense to place him in Bakersfield, but if Nurse arrives in training camp and is clearly among the six best defensemen? Keep him, even if it mean placing a veteran on waivers—up to and including Niki Nikitin and Andrew Ference. Update: Nurse played nine games in Bakersfield and 69 in Edmonton. Seems I had this covered.

C Leon Draisaitl. I have a feeling the big man is going to make it very difficult to send him back this fall. Leon’s performance this season showed he wasn’t ready but there were exceptional elements to his game. He’s not THAT far way. Update: He played just six games in Bakersfield and has blossomed into one of the best players in the NHL.

A YEAR OR LESS

  • R Andrew Miller. His NHL audition recently suggests we’re looking at an NHL-ready player. Update: Played six NHL games in 2015-16, got himself dealt to the Charlotte Checkers and is currently in the KHL. He played 15 NHL games, all with Edmonton.
  • G Laurent Brossoit. He has showed a lot this winter and spring but caution is always a good idea with goaltenders. Update: I think the Oilers were too careful, Todd McLellan rarely played him and the young man struggled when he did get in. Now a Winnipeg Jets backup and has posted one quality and one suspect season in the prairie city.
  • R Iiro Pakarinen. Brings a unique phyical element married to some skill. I wouldn’t be shocked if he won a job in TC. Update: He did in fact play for the Oilers in 2015-16, and for parts of the two seasons that followed. He was a little shy of grabbing a job and holding it but he found a way into 135 NHL games, one in the playoffs..
  • L Curtis Hamilton. One healthy season has him heading in a good direction and another should get him closer to his goal. Update: He played one NHL game in 2014-15 and that was it. By the time I wrote this, his NHL career was done.
  • D David Musil. Getting his first cup of coffee and looking good as an NHL player. Update: He spent two more years in the minors but the four games in 2014-15 were it.
  • D Jordan Oesterle. He’s in the range with Musil in terms of being NHL-ready. Update: Oesterle continued to play very well in the minor while getting cups of coffee with the Oilers in 2015-16 and 2016-17. He has been an NHL regular with the Chicago Blackhawks and then Arizona Coyotes since.

SUMMER 2020 LIST

I think the estimates were close for the most part, Curtis Hamilton’s NHL career was done and David Musil got passed by too many defenseman to get another shot. Other than that, the predictions are in the range. Now, let’s try the current group.

NHL READY NOW

RD Evan Bouchard. His on-ice splits in the first and second half (First 27 AHL games: 18-29, Final 27 AHL games: 23-22) are proof of progress in the minors. It’s especially impressive considering the Condors were a trainwreck in the second half. He’s NHL ready.

LW Tyler Benson. I’m less convinced he’ll play on a scoring line but it’s clear now Benson has an NHL future that can start anytime. He wins battles, his passing is exceptional and he’s always been capable as a two-way forward. The concern I have surrounds how he’ll score goals. Per 82 games in the AHL, he is averaging 197 shots and 16 goals (8 percent). Magnus Paajarvi didn’t have a long NHL career, partly because he didn’t score enough. Per 82 games in the AHL he averaged 201 shots and 19 goals (9.45 percent).

LD William Lagesson. He really is a good NHL defensive prospect but it’s hard to get anyone’s attention with the current LH depth chart in Edmonton. How ready is he? In 92 AHL games, Lagesson’s on-ice even strength goal differential is 82-58, +24. In the same two year period, Ethan Bear (43-29, +14 playing just 2018-19) and Caleb Jones (59-46, +13 in a year and 14 games 2019-20) flourished and found NHL employment. Lagesson is NHL-ready and NHL-calibre.

RC Cooper Marody. This is all about injury. If Marody is healthy then we’re going to see him play some NHL hockey based on his outstanding rookie season in the AHL 2018-19 (58 games, 19-45-64 and an on-ice even strength goal differential of 60-36).

RW Jesse Puljujarvi. I can’t imagine any push back on this claim. NHLE from his Liiga season (35.1) lands him No. 202 among NHL forwards (30 or more games) in 2019-20 points-per-game. That’s a third-line winger. He’s beyond ready for that role.

A YEAR OR LESS

LC Ryan McLeod. I mentioned it all during the spring, McLeod’s rookie AHL season was very impressive. His on ice even strength goal differential (27-27) was slightly superior to other rookie forwards on the team (Kirill Maksimov 26-30; Jakob Stukel 14-16) and his estimated NHLE (all of this via our friend Eric Rodgers) was 15.83. That number is also superior to Maksimov (12.85) and Stukel (10.71). Note: This could flip a year from now. What won’t flip is that McLeod is a center, and he does have some things to recommend him at the position. In just under 80 preseason minutes over two seasons, McLeod’s five on five offense (0-3-3, 2.26 points per 60) and shot differential (52 percent) are rock solid. His faceoff percentage (46 percent) is lagging, and he’ll need more time, but man this looks like a good second round pick. Like Benson, I now believe McLeod will have an NHL career. His speed is the most compelling bullet point on the resume.

G Ilya Konovalov. I’m convinced of this guy. Honestly. In the last two seasons in the KHL, a very good league, he has stopped 92.1 percent of the shots headed his way. That’s 167 goals against in 2120 shots. He just turned 22, I don’t think Ken Holland is wondering what to do. Konovalov is free to sign in Edmonton 2021 offseason.

LD Theodor Lennstrom. A solid resume but he may not receive a recall even when he’s ready. Based on success and experience it’s difficult for me to imagine he’s less NHL-ready than Joel Persson but there are minor league games in Lennstrom’s future.

THE REST

The organization badly needs these young prospects to play and the Covid-19 impact will decide how much and how long we see leagues operate across the hockey world. I think the club’s loaning of Dmitri Samorukov to the KHL reflects the uncertainty of North American hockey.

The goaltending depth chart is in a real state of flux. Konovalov and Olivier Rodrigue are the top prospects but the organization clearly still believes in Stuart Skinner. For me, goalies are a lot like pitchers in a baseball farm system: Whether it’s a kid with a 95 MPH fastball or a youngster who can paint the edges of the plate with his pitches, staying healthy and remaining in the league (AHL) increases chances of success. Skinner’s numbers aren’t grand, but Laurent Brossoit and others had some struggles before settling in. I think it’s safe to say that Skinner’s first two pro seasons have him on a career path that will see him finish shy of the NHL. Either way, the only goaltender I can project into the queue is the Russian at this time.

Defense also has a vague quality to it. Philip Broberg is currently impressing at training camp and is the highest ranked blue outside of Bouchard among prospects. However, I think he’s likely more than a year away and getting excited over small sample sizes is unwise. Thrilled at his speed, see you at 2021-22 training camp. Samorukov and Filip Berglund are more than a year away.

The forwards who didn’t make the list include some promising youngsters (Raphael Lavoie, Kirill Maksimov) but it’s hard to project them as flying through the AHL in a year or less. The two players I did wonder about are Ryan Kuffner and Joe Gambardella. The fact neither man received a camp invite is perhaps a tell.

We’ll have a look at this list in five years and I thank you for reading.

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OriginalPouzar

Yes, the Bouch is NHL ready – all he needs is the opportunity to show it – with Mike Green opting out, that opportunity is reasonably likely in these playoffs. What do we think coaches T and P will do if/when there is an injury on the right side? Slot the 4RD, Bouch, in or slide over an off-side Rusty or Jones? I don’t know the answer to this question. I do know that Bouchard’s second half of the AHL season was very very good.

Benson, yup, he is all but NHL ready now and, like Bouch, just needs that opportunity. He is a sleeper of mine in the post-season. I have this sneaking suspicion that he may get in to some games and never come out of the lineup – With Nygard and Haas (and I guess P. Russell) waiting, I’m probably dreaming.

If Marody is going to be an NHL player, his time is now (well, next season). I’m just not sure he is going to be one but am excited to see what a, presumably, 100% healthy Marody can show up.

Lagesson – yup, I’d feel very comfortable with him as 3LD and truly hope he is 4LD/7D when next season starts up but I have a feeling he isn’t long for the organization. 2019/20 usage was a tell for me.

Ryan McLeod’s 5 on 5 numbers are indeed encouraging and combine that with his PK, a very solid first year pro season. I’m not sure about “less than a year”, I’d like him to have a full AHL season as a center and as a top 6 player with both special teams. Cup of coffee perhaps.

Brantford Boy

Cool post LT…

“but that job is likely to be gifted to a veteran like Nikitin or Ference next season”… thanks, I just puked in my mouth a little…

The club really need to figure out what to do with Lagesson, I hope Holland can get something useful for Russell in the off season/trade floor, and have him fill the 7D next year… he’ll be claimed on waivers, no question.

slopitch

I feel pretty convinced Bouchard will be a solid top 4 d with PP prowess.

Benson and McLeod need to have their Jarret Stoll, Shawn Horcoff, Kyle Brodziak summers where they will themselves to be NHL regulars. Something countless prospects fail to do. Hoping like heck they pull it off.

Elgin R

Good articles LT – I enjoy them so continue to go down any rabbit hole that interests you. The comment section will let you know if it is not understood or appreciated.

Bouchard: Is he NHL-ready? I believe he is and I do like watching him play although the AHL feed is pretty bad. Great position for the Oilers as he can go to the Bake without waivers. Some more time in the AHL will only help him (Duncan Keith played 2 full seasons ini the AHL – 154 games and he turned out ok). So, sign Benning to a $1.5 x 2-year contract that reflects the new economic landscape. Do not sign Green. Bouchard to start in the AHL and first call up when RHD is injured.

Benson: He looked much better in his second stint in the NHL. I think he could anchor a very good 3rd line. Issues: as with Bouchard he does not have to pass through waivers and the new economic landscape may keep him in the AHL all next season. If Ennis has a good playoffs and Holland signs him at his current salary ($800k) then Benson is blocked.

Lagesson: Unless Holland can trade KRussel, he will have to trade Lagesson or I believe he will be lost on waivers. Would like to see him as 7D. We wait.

The Oilers are a good team now with decent depth and the prospects are blocked. Holland has proven he can find good NHL forwards for around $1 / year so the advantage of playing a prospect on an ELC has been lost, unless you are Yamamoto!

dustrock

Love the sneaky Powderfinger quote. The greatest Neil Young song.

dustrock

I remember looking back to Klefbom struggling a bit more in the AHL than the NHL and the theory was he’s a finesse guy who will look even better playing with the NHlers, and that the AHL is a banger league with more players who will crash and bang to make a name for themselves.

I wonder if we’ll see the same with Bouchard. No offence to the Brad Malones of the world but Bouchard would rather be saucering to 97&29.

hunter1909

slopitch:
I feel pretty convinced Bouchard will be a solid top 4 d with PP prowess.

Benson and McLeod need to have their Jarret Stoll, Shawn Horcoff, Kyle Brodziak summers where they will themselves to be NHL regulars. Something countless prospects fail to do. Hoping like heck they pull it off.

Thank you for the best post I’ve seen in a long time.

BONE207

LT: I’ve never asked you once if you’re interested, nor poured you a drink, just got right into the weed

I must have missed this memo. Maybe this was at the Rec Room parties. I’ll have to take you up on this offer one day. Or we can do it virtually…?

JOFA

Skating is the issue for Schremp. The team needs picks this year. Trade him while he has any perceived value before he’s washed out of the league.

godot10

dustrock:
I remember looking back to Klefbom struggling a bit more in the AHL than the NHL and the theory was he’s a finesse guy who will look even better playing with the NHlers, and that the AHL is a banger league with more players who will crash and bang to make a name for themselves.

I wonder if we’ll see the same with Bouchard. No offence to the Brad Malones of the world but Bouchard would rather be saucering to 97&29.

Bouchard needed the AHL to work on the urgency in his defensive game. His offensive game is not a problem.

Klefbom needed the AHL to adjust to playing on the smaller surface.

Some Europeans (like Heiskanen) need no adjustment time, but most do.

godot10

Benson is an NHL player with the puck on his stick. But is not yet an NHL player when the puck is NOT on his stick. He has to do more than pass the puck and be a playmaker. He has to get to the gritty areas and he has to get into shooting positions, and then he has to shoot the puck.

#PassingIsNotEnough

Hopefully he figured this out over the break.

defmn

I’m trying to remember the last time the Oilers had a present and a future that looked promising at the same moment.

With 5 players listed above as ‘NHL Ready Now’ (Bouchard, Lagesson, Benson, Marody & Puljujarvi) even with caveats around the last two that is going to give Holland some things to watch for and think about once the puck drops August 1.

JOFA

godot10:
Benson is an NHL player with the puck on his stick.But is not yet an NHL player when the puck is NOT on his stick.He has to do more than pass the puck and be a playmaker.He has to get to the gritty areas and he has to get into shooting positions, and then he has to shoot the puck.

#PassingIsNotEnough

Hopefully he figured this out over the break.

The problem is that he can’t get anywhere fast enough.

GordieHoweHatTrick

defmn:
I’m trying to remember the last time the Oilers had a present and a future that looked promising at the same moment.

With 5 players listed above as ‘NHL Ready Now’ (Bouchard, Lagesson, Benson, Marody & Puljujarvi) even with caveats around the last two that is going to give Holland some things to watch for and think about once the puck drops August 1.

1982-83?

OriginalPouzar

I am quite intrigued by Lennstrom and his potential to maybe play in the NHL next year. When signed, I thought he was nothing but an AHL targeted signing but, then, the more I read and heard about him, the more it seems like he has some NHL potential – part of that was Mike Zanier on the OilCan. Plus skating is always a good thing.

godot10

JOFA: The problem is that he can’t get anywherefast enough.

“Plus passing” makes up a lot for average speed. Benson is a good enough skater. He just has to do more without the puck on his stick.

OriginalPouzar

The only think I don’t like about this fantastic post is the reminder that everything is in flux with respect to the non-NHL ready prospects. Damn I hope the AHL goes next year. I have to think that it runs in line with the NHL. I mean, how can the NHL play next year without its feeder league going? They would have to expand NHL rosters without cap implications, etc. The AHL has to run even if its not all teams and some of the “independent teams” disperse their players.

OriginalPouzar

Is there any chance that the likes of Lennstrom and Niemelainan sign contracts back in Sweden and Finland and get loaned back? The understanding would be that, unlikely Sammy, when North American pro hockey starts up, they come on back?

Really nice that, at least, Berglund, Sammy and Broberg will have great development leagues to play in – hopefully Sammy gets the required ice time in the KHL.

Reja

JOFA: The problem is that he can’t get anywherefast enough.

Why do you want Benson to fail so much? He’s going to get a fair shot from Tippett and Holland whether you like it are not. I’m cheering for the hometown boy and if he’s a regular Oiler for the next 7 years nothing would be finer than to quiet the haters.

JOFA

Reja: Why do you want Benson to fail so much? He’s going to get a fair shot from Tippett and Holland whether you like it are not. I’m cheering for the hometown boy and if he’s a regular Oiler for the next 7 years nothing would be finer than to quietthe haters.

I hope Holland gives him a “fair shot” with another organization.

OriginalPouzar

One thing to remember about Lagesson, is that he’s not void of offensive instincts or ability – no, he’s not Bouchard or Bear but he did lead the Condors’ defence in 5 on 5 points in 2018/19 – Bear was hurt for part of the year and Jones spent some time in the NHL but Lagesson can move the puck a bit and make some plays.

I believe he just needs a stretch of games at the NHL – he’ll get comfortable and the game will slow down for him.

I’m less certain he’ll get that chance as an Oiler.

Reja

OriginalPouzar:
One thing to remember about Lagesson, is that he’s not void of offensive instincts or ability – no, he’s not Bouchard or Bear but he did lead the Condors’ defence in 5 on 5 points in 2018/19 – Bear was hurt for part of the year and Jones spent some time in the NHL but Lagesson can move the puck a bit and make some plays.

I believe he just needs a stretch of games at the NHL – he’ll get comfortable and the game will slow down for him.

I’m less certain he’ll get that chance as an Oiler.

It’s up to Holland to clear the track and get him on 3rd pairing and see what we have maybe he’s a sleeper and his game translates well for a long time. Holland couldn’t do much with Marino but he cannot lose a another young cheap competent D for nothing.

Victoria Oil

slopitch:
I feel pretty convinced Bouchard will be a solid top 4 d with PP prowess.

Benson and McLeod need to have their Jarret Stoll, Shawn Horcoff, Kyle Brodziak summers where they will themselves to be NHL regulars. Something countless prospects fail to do. Hoping like heck they pull it off.

Benson, McLeod and our other top prospects should just figure out what Bear did last summer and commit themselves to doing the same.

OriginalPouzar

Bob Stauffer
@Bob_Stauffer
Philip Broberg just went end-to-end walked the D and scored a beauty in
@EdmontonOilers
scrimmage
11:59 AM · Jul 18, 2020 from Edmonton, Alberta·Twitter for iPhone

MushedPeas

JOFA,

JOFA,

OriginalPouzar:
One thing to remember about Lagesson, is that he’s not void of offensive instincts or ability – no, he’s not Bouchard or Bear but he did lead the Condors’ defence in 5 on 5 points in 2018/19 – Bear was hurt for part of the year and Jones spent some time in the NHL but Lagesson can move the puck a bit and make some plays.

I believe he just needs a stretch of games at the NHL – he’ll get comfortable and the game will slow down for him.

I’m less certain he’ll get that chance as an Oiler.

Also convinced Benson just needs the reps to get up to or adjust to NHL pace. Let him play and give him a little rope, same as you would for rookie D you expect to wobble.

OriginalPouzar

Jim Matheson
@jimmathesonnhl
·
26s
Fantastic goal by Broberg in the Oiler scrimmage, almost going end-to-end and tucking one home.
Derek Van Diest
@DerekVanDiest
·
2m
Philip Broberg was the best player in the opening period of #Oilers scrimmage. Scored a beauty on an end-to-end rush. #NHL

flea

Lots of positive press about Broberg – I’m thinking he makes the bubble so far. Stauffer was saying on his show that he is playing with urgency. He also slighted Bouchard a bit for a lack of urgency (earlier in the week)

Maybe they take 1 less forward. Interesting decisions coming!

BornInAGretzkyJersey

I wonder if part of Benson’s perceived lack of speed is because we have the likes of Connor and Leon on the team, had Hall for so long. Remember people used to say Leon was a bad skater then he took home top billing at the team skills competition the year Hall was hurt. His overall speed was within a few tenths of Hall’s pace the year prior.

When I watched Benson play he seemed to get around fine, moving around at about league average speed. And this is when his read and react wasn’t dialed in to the NHL tempo. I think he’ll be alright in that regard. As Bear has recently shown, there’s always a chance for his first steps to improve. If Benson can dial in some of the slick edge work that Nuge and Yammer have, that would be another tool to deploy. Over the next couple years he should hopefully be able to catch up on the off-season training he’s missed due to injury in the seasons surrounding his draft year. Muscle mass can be as important as muscle memory.

norm_klassen

Start the Broberg chants! BROBERG! GOLDBERG!

Reja

flea:
Lots of positive press about Broberg – I’m thinking he makes the bubble so far. Stauffer was saying on his show that he is playing with urgency. He also slighted Bouchard a bit for a lack of urgency (earlier in the week)

Maybe they take 1 less forward. Interesting decisions coming!

If your going deep you can never have enough Defensemen just ask the Sabres in 2006.

OriginalPouzar

OriginalPouzar:
Jim Matheson
@jimmathesonnhl
·
26s
Fantastic goal by Broberg in the Oiler scrimmage, almost going end-to-end and tucking one home.
Derek Van Diest
@DerekVanDiest
·
2m
Philip Broberg was the best player in the opening period of #Oilers scrimmage. Scored a beauty on an end-to-end rush. #NHL

Bob Stauffer
@Bob_Stauffer
·
1m
Broberg just led another rush up the ice, stayed in the play and buried home a James Neal feed.
Normally in a Fall Training Camp one rookie shines.
This is a different situation but today he has been stellar!

Reja

JOFA: I hope Holland gives him a “fair shot” with another organization.

Your a hard man.

leadfarmer

Brobergs potential because of his natural ability is sky high
Let’s hope he gets there

godot10

flea:
Lots of positive press about Broberg – I’m thinking he makes the bubble so far. Stauffer was saying on his show that he is playing with urgency. He also slighted Bouchard a bit for a lack of urgency (earlier in the week)

Maybe they take 1 less forward. Interesting decisions coming!

Different players. Broberg and Bouchard. Just like Jones and Bear. Broberg and Jones are transporters. Bouchard and Bear are passers. Transporters tend to attract more attention if they don’t pick the wrong spots.

One tends to have to see passers over an extended period of time to appreciate them.

Transporters: Love at first sight. Passers; Love that builds on a slow burn.

The issue for Broberg will be the same issue for most young D. Defensive decision making, which one can only really see in actual games.

At the Hlinka, Broberg was always the most watchable player on the ice. Soderstrom and Bjornfot were more just passers. Broberg is more like Heiskanen, but one doesn’t know if he has the instinct and correct decision-making that Heiskanen has.

OriginalPouzar

Reja: It’s up to Holland to clear the track and get him on 3rd pairing and see what we have maybe he’s a sleeper and his game translates well for a long time. Holland couldn’t do much with Marino but he cannot lose a another young cheap competent D for nothing.

I am just fine with him being 4LD/7D to start the season with Jones as the season-starting 3LD. That 4LD/7D will end up with plenty of games.

Of course, its also up to the coaching staff – Tip and Playfair had at great opportunity to play Lagesson in the fall but didn’t use it – Brandon Manning, blah!

OriginalPouzar

MushedPeas:
JOFA,

JOFA,

Also convinced Benson just needs the reps to get up to or adjust to NHL pace. Let him play and give him a little rope, same as you would for rookie D you expect to wobble.

I have to agree with this and we saw his game (and presumed comfort level) improve when he got a few games this past season.

We don’t know what type of player he’ll end up being at the NHL level but I am not giving up on some top 6 seasons in time.

Munny

Anyone else curious which D got walked lol?

defmn

Munny:
Anyone else curious which D got walked lol?

First thing that came to mind. 😉

Of course we have both seen Lidstrom walked so . . .

defmn

Daniel Nugent-Bowman
@DNBsports
·
25m
Joakim Nygard sure made his hand injury sound gruesome. He blocked a shot Jan. 29 vs. CGY. Nygard said the puck went between his fingers. It sounds like one of the digits broke in a couple different places. Yikes.

OriginalPouzar

Asked about the goalie battle and Coach T. gave the standard answer about monitoring both of them through camp and then talking to Schwartz and the rest of the staff and the players. He did end with saying that he imagines both will get playing time.

JOFA

Reja: Your a hard man.

That’s what she said??

JOFA

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
I wonder if part of Benson’s perceived lack of speed is because we have the likes of Connor and Leon on the team, had Hall for so long.Remember people used to say Leon was a bad skater then he took home top billing at the team skills competition the year Hall was hurt.His overall speed was within a few tenths of Hall’s pace the year prior.

When I watched Benson play he seemed to get around fine, moving around at about league average speed.And this is when his read and react wasn’t dialed in to the NHL tempo.I think he’ll be alright in that regard.As Bear has recently shown, there’s always a chance for his first steps to improve.If Benson can dial in some of the slick edge work that Nuge and Yammer have, that would be another tool to deploy.Over the next couple years he should hopefully be able to catch up on the off-season training he’s missed due to injury in the seasons surrounding his draft year.Muscle mass can be as important as muscle memory.

Schremp
Omark
Lander

Did these guys all “seem to get around fine”?

JOFA

MushedPeas:
JOFA,

JOFA,

Also convinced Benson just needs the reps to get up to or adjust to NHL pace. Let him play and give him a little rope, same as you would for rookie D you expect to wobble.

Ok. I’ll give him the same rope I would for a rookie D. How does David Musil work for you? Drafted in round two 31st overall.

Schremp may be joining him in Europe sooner than you think. Skating. It’s a thing!

godot10

My Seven Team All-Canadian Division idea for the NHL for next season as a one off became a more likely possibility today when the Canadian government said NO to the Blue Jays (and American baseball teams flying back and forth across the border)

JOFA

Broberg and McLeod noticeable at camp in a good way. Why is that? Elite skating.

SwedishPoster

OriginalPouzar:
Is there any chance that the likes of Lennstrom and Niemelainan sign contracts back in Sweden and Finland and get loaned back? The understanding would be that, unlikely Sammy, when North American pro hockey starts up, they come on back?

Really nice that, at least, Berglund, Sammy and Broberg will have great development leagues to play in – hopefully Sammy gets the required ice time in the KHL.

SHL clubs just agreed a few days ago that guys, like Lennström, who has signed an NHL contract but still has a running contract with an SHL club can play for that club until the NHL season starts up so he could play for Frölunda this fall. And I assume he will since he’ll have a nine months period or so with just off season training if he doesn’t.

meanashell11

I’ll just leave this here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKYCej14-KM

BornInAGretzkyJersey

JOFA,

Benson is a far better player than any of those players you mentioned. Higher IQ and more well rounded defensive game, save maybe Lander. Who, you may recall, scored at top-6 rates when Nelson showed some confidence in the player. He also looked right at home beside one noted speedy player in Hall.

You know who else isn’t the fleetest of foot but has a high IQ and soft hands? Eberle. He’s done alright for himself.

Hockey IQ. It’s a thing!