The 20 best players for the 2020 draft not on the McKenzie list

Have you ever seen a complete draft list from an NHL team? They sometimes shake loose and surprise the hell out of people, not just for the ranking but also for names not on the list.

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The Montreal Canadiens had part of the team list leak (looks like Philip Broberg was No. 13 overall) last year at the draft, but the 2010 Vancouver Canucks list remains the gold standard on what teams are looking (and not looking) for at a draft. Here are the picks that raised an eyebrow back in the day for this blog’s author:

St. Louis drafted Jaden Schwartz No. 14 overall, Vancouver had him No. 38. Schwartz more than covered the bet and has played over 500 NHL games with the Blues, who won Stanley in 2019. Schwartz led the Blues in playoff goals with 12.

Buffalo drafted Mark Pysyk No. 23 overall, Canucks had him No. 50. Pysyk has enjoyed a successful NHL career, playing in 417 games and moving up to forward at times this past season.

San Jose drafted Charlie Coyle No. 28 overall, Vancouver listed him No. 78. Coyle has played 570 NHL games.

New York Islanders drafted Brock Nelson No. 30 overall, Cancucks ranked him No. 63. Nelson has played 548 NHL games and has scored 20 or more goals five times.

Who did Vancouver prefer? Defenseman Julian Melchiori was ranked No. 23 by Vancouver, he went No. 85 to Atlanta. He played 30 NHL games. Mathieu Corbiel-Theriault was ranked No. 24 and was drafted No. 102 by Columbus. He did not play in the NHL. Vancouver ranked U.S. High School defenseman Patrick McNally No. 26 overall and were no doubt thrilled to get him with their first pick in the draft (No. 115 overall). He did not play in the NHL.

It would be easy to rip Vancouver’s scouts, but it’s likely they placed a bunch of guys near the end of their first round that represented their target list. The other men were there because it’s possible for a player to fall in a draft, but in all honesty the Canucks list is a guess on the industry’s opinion as opposed to a list created with real hope in landing a player in that range. McNally is about No. 3 on their list of possibles.

THE 20 BEST PLAYERS NOT ON BOB MCKENZIE’S LIST

Every year players go under the radar and every year teams get exceptional value from players outside the accepted group of draft-eligible prospects. I love McKenzie’s list but it doesn’t project teenagers perfectly. Mitchell Moroz was ranked No. 56 overall, Ethan Bear was not ranked. Here are the 20 best players in the 2020 NHL draft not listed on McKenzie’s rankings.

1 RW Connor McClennon, Winnipeg Ice (WHL). I have him No. 44 overall, that’s mid-second round. He scored 21 goals in 42 WHL games and is a June 2002. He’s 5.09, 145 shots in those 42 games and 15 even-strength goals.

2 LW Veeti Miettinen, Espoo (Jr Liiga). Similar story to McClennon, small winger with great skill. He is a September 2001, so a little older but he’s a pure scorer.

3 LW Pavel Novak, Kelowna Rockets (WHL). Speedster with skill, he’s a scorer. He’s a little bigger than the first two names, he scored 25 goals in 55 games. Red Line loves him, called Novak a speed demon.

4 LW Oskar Magnusson, Malmo (SuperElite). Smaller winger good speed and two-way acumen, he can also play center and has a plus shot. I like his year over year improvement (19 to 48 points in SuperElite) and he’s a January 2020. I’m way out in front, so maybe there’s something I’m missing but the scouting report looks complete. The four men listed here are all ranked in the second round on my list.

5 RW Owen Pederson, Winnipeg Ice (WHL). We finally get to a bigger player (6.03, 188) on my list. Pederson scored 28 goals in 61 games. He has some range (can play center, two-way type) but speed isn’t a strength.

6 RD Michael Benning, Sherwood Park Crusaders (AJHL). Impressive skills (fine skater, excellent passer). He’s undersized but plays an effective defensive game. The lead story here is the young man with the puck on his stick. I think he’s worth a late second, earl third round pick.

7 LW Kyle Crnkovic, Saskatoon Blades (WHL). Small (5.07) winger doubled his point total season over season. He isn’t ranked by most scouting services and 5.07 is very small for an NHL prospect. However, he scored a point per game and posted 21 goals in 63 games, turning 18 in February. He’s got some nice bullet points on his resume.

8 LC Elliot Ekmark, Linkoping (SuperElite). High skill, elusive, great speed, undersized. That’s the scouting report on most of these players, but the thing these kids have to punch up the resume is results. Ekmark posted 26 points in 31 games, The Draft Analyst says he’s similar to Oskar Magnusson above.

9  RW Wiljami Myllylä, Jr Sm-Liiga. Skates well, plus shot, scores goals in bunches. More shooter than passer or transporter. He’s a little bigger (6.0, 161) but also older (April 2001) by a year over some of these names.

10  LC Theo Rochette, Quebec Remparts (QMJHL). Undersized two-way center, intriguing offense. He might be a little shy offensively but would be worth a pick in the middle rounds.

11 RD Luke Prokop, Calgary Hitmen (WHL). A giant (6.04, 218) able to close gaps and suppress offense. He’s a raw talent, don’t know if the Oilers are going to draft a defenseman, but Prokop has some promise as a shutdown option. Can pass the puck.

12 G Sam Hlavaj, Sherbroke Phoenix (QMJHL). Boasts a .915 save percentage and stands 6.04, 218. Slovak goalie is an actual giant who (according to Red Line) is ‘scrambly like Spiderman’.

13 LC Daniel Ljungman, Linkoping (SuperElite). Emerged from nowhere at the Hlinka Gretzky. Great release. He’s 6.01, 161 and April 2002.

14 LC Cameron Berg, Muskegon Lumberjacks (USHL). Good speed and skill. He is a one dimensional player but he’ll score goals in pro hockey.

15 G Dylan Garand, Kamloops Blazers (WHL). Eye popping SP (.921) for June 2002, but he’s only 6.0 and for that reason is unlikely to get drafted.

16 LW Pavel Gogolev, Guelph Storm (OHL). Now 20, he is fast and has a great shot. He scored 45 goals in 63 games in the world’s best junior league. He is 6.01, 181. Draft him and turn him pro. Why not?

17 LC Juuso Mäenpää, Jokerit (Jr Liiga). Very small but highly skilled playmaker. Very much under the radar.

18 RD Kasper Puutio, Everett Silvertips (WHL). Talented puck moving defenseman. He’s 5.11, 180 and a June 2002.

19 LW Yevgeni Oksentyuk, Flint Firebirds (OHL). Impressive season for Feb. 2001, under the radar skill winger. You must be tiring of reading about “small skill wingers” but the thing to remember is these men have offensive success in junior. He scored 33-45-78 in 58 games. He. can. play.

20 LD Anton Johannesson, SuperElite. Small puck mover is a wizard, could be a steal. He’s a March 2002, stands 5.09 and could be the most valuable name in the 20. That’s the catch with these 20 (mostly) smaller players: Not all will make it but those who do are going to make their scouting director look like a genius.

OILERS DRAFT

As it stands, Edmonton has just four picks in a seven-round draft. Even more distressing the picks are in the first, fifth, sixth and seventh rounds. That’s a problem.

However, all is not lost. There is a strategy that can deliver four legit talents in those picks.

Let’s start by listing the players above who will be drafted before the fifth round. In my opinion, Connor McClennon, Pavel Novak, Michael Benning, Dylan Garand and Yevgeni Oksentyuk will be gone by selection No. 175.

So, let’s give the Oilers Jacob Perreault in the first round, since many of you like him as a first-shot scorer for Edmonton. If Holland and Wright add Oskar Magnusson (fifth round), Pavel Gogolev (sixth round) and Anton Johannesson (seventh round) the club will have drafted four legit prospects. They aren’t perfect, there are holes in their game, but offensively they are dynamic and project as productive players in pro hockey. Here are their NHLE’s:

  • Jacob Perreault (OHL) 32.5
  • Oskar Magnusson (SuperElite) 25.9
  • Pavel Gogolev (20) (OHL) 40.4
  • Anton Johannesson (SuperElite) 24.6

That’s an impressive list of talent and my bet is that those names or similar will in fact be available to the Oilers. When the team drafted Ethan Bear in the fifth round in 2015, we all knew it was a better bet than Evan Campbell. I don’t know if the Oilers will do it, but the idea makes a lot of sense.

Sail on, Mr. Granlund, we hardly knew you. You did play for all three western Canadian teams and that’s a rare thing.

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  1. dessert1111 says:

    I think Granlund would’ve been a better bet for playoff minutes over the current “6th line” but circumstances being what they are, it’s likely Granlund wouldn’t have wanted to come back anyway.

    I was hoping he’d be more than what he ended up being for the Oilers, but the margins on these bottom of the roster players tends to be thin.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Is today the day we see Caleb Jones skate with the main group? On Tuesday the coach said “wouldn’t be the next few days” – maybe we are past that.

    Is today the day there is a Corey Crawford sighting in Chicago – the longer the “non-appearance” the more intriguing this gets – in particular since Crawford has spoken about needing lots of pucks to get ready at the start of seasons (paraphrased from The Athletic yesterday).

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  4. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Does Pavel Gogolev have a fatal flaw that keeps him undrafted? He’s an intriguing bet for sure, and Holland does like to draft more seasoned over-agers so this seems to be reasonably likely to happen.

  5. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Imagine for a moment that Old Dutch doesn’t trade anyone for picks at the draft. Unlikely, I know but an interesting thought experiment all the same.

    If the draft comes and goes without any extra picks procured, we will really see a lot about the draft philosophy of Holland and Co. I bet he reverts to the M.O. of the Wings during his tenure, draft for skill with a swing for the fences approach the later the round.

  6. stephen sheps says:

    Apropos of nothing hockey related, but given how often this blog acknowledges music, the Edmonton underground music community lost an absolute giant. Ken Chinn, known to most as Mr. Chi Pig, front man and lyricist of SNFU passed away last night.

    His music influenced a generation of punk kids and outsider artists. Tremendous loss. I’m gutted today.

  7. Shane says:

    stephen sheps,

    We had SNFU blasting after rehearsal last night.

    RIP

  8. hunter1909 says:

    stephen sheps:
    Apropos of nothing hockey related, but given how often this blog acknowledges music, the Edmonton underground music community lost an absolute giant. Ken Chinn, known to most as Mr. Chi Pig, front man and lyricist of SNFU passed away last night.

    His music influenced a generation of punk kids and outsider artists. Tremendous loss. I’m gutted today.

    A true Original, that’s for certain.

  9. hunter1909 says:

    Shane:
    stephen sheps,

    We had SNFU blasting after rehearsal last night.

    RIP

    Are you in a band? Are you on YouTube? That’s my only source of music.

  10. Durag says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Does Pavel Gogolev have a fatal flaw that keeps him undrafted?He’s an intriguing bet for sure, and Holland does like to draft more seasoned over-agers so this seems to be reasonably likely to happen.

    Seems like an ideal late pick as Bakersfield desperately needs forwards

  11. hunter1909 says:

    Bohologo: and it was my only date with her as she wound up dating one of my buddies long term which was great for them if you like happiness I guess, but I always felt like it was both insult and injury if we are going to make it all about me.

    Most everyone is to some degree selfishly motivated. Nothing much in it for you, but she did expose you to one of Edmonton’s all time Original music stars. From this, you have a great memory that you were kind enough to share.

    Fantastic memory, btw.

  12. Material Elvis says:

    Chi Pig does not sound like a singer that LT’s dad would be on board with.

  13. Material Elvis says:

    Wasn’t that the period that Vancouver’s scouts were out drafted by a potato? Good times. Good thing for them that they hired a scouting director who knows what he’s doing. You wouldn’t want to get rid of *that* guy…..

  14. ArmchairGM says:

    “As it stands, Edmonton has just four picks in a seven-round draft. Even more distressing the picks are in the first, fifth, sixth and seventh rounds. That’s a problem.”

    Easily rectified, as it turns out. At the last draft Holland traded a 5th round pick to Buffalo for a 6th and a 7th. Considering a 6th or 7th round pick has basically identical odds of becoming an NHL player as a 5th round pick, I think this is solid strategy.

    Chayka has this figured out already, but he seems to be the only one so far. In 2018 he traded a 3rd for a lower 3rd + a 5th, then flipped the lower 3rd for a 4th + 5th, thus turning one mid-round pick into three.

    In 2017 he made a similar deal with Chiarelli, moving back 4 spots in the 3rd round and picking up a 5th in the process.

    In 2019 he was at it again, sending a 3rd to Pittsburgh in exchange for a 4th + 5th + 7th.

    Of course, your scouting team needs to hit on some of these picks, but more bullets is more bullets and the math checks out. If he plays this right, Holland could end up with 5 or 6 of the players on LT’s list above.

  15. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Material Elvis,

    It’s because of the hairstyle.

  16. Shane says:

    hunter1909: Are you in a band? Are you on YouTube? That’s my only source of music.

    Yea Hunter I’m in a few groups. A couple that are just(were) getting off the ground so no content yet. And a cover band.

    However, my old band Mayday and the Beatcreeps has some stuff online you can check out.

  17. stephen sheps says:

    Bohologo,

    hunter1909: Fantastic memory, btw.

    Agreed, fantastic memory. Great story. I definitely had a few moments like that in my younger days, trying to impress people and then not quite being as hard core as I thought I could/would be. So it goes.

    Did you ever find yourself in a pit later on in life? Sadly that is probably going to be a thing of the past in the post-covid world. Pushing 40 as I am, the pit was starting to get to be untenable, but it’s one part of the live music experience that I really miss, even in the small doses I can physically handle now.

    Material Elvis,

    No, he does not.

  18. stephen sheps says:

    Shane,

    was just about to ask about this as well. thanks for sharing!

  19. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Durag,

    We could use a few of these types for sure: mature offensive types who are eligible to go straight to BAK instead of another year or two in juniour. If we could get a handful of those types to populate the roster for a couple consecutive seasons the recall pipeline will be flowing nicely.

  20. dustrock says:

    stephen sheps:
    Apropos of nothing hockey related, but given how often this blog acknowledges music, the Edmonton underground music community lost an absolute giant. Ken Chinn, known to most as Mr. Chi Pig, front man and lyricist of SNFU passed away last night.

    His music influenced a generation of punk kids and outsider artists. Tremendous loss. I’m gutted today.

    Absolutely. Great band, great frontman, so cool to have a cool band from Edmonton.

    2 personal favourties: Loser At LIfe/Loser At Death, and You Make Me Thick

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Caleb Jones on the ice with the main group today.

    Now, we can see if there is a battle between K. Russell and C. Jones for 3LD opening night or if the coaches will get with Rusty as I think most of us suspect.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

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  23. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Caleb Jones on the ice with the main group today.

    Now, we can see if there is a battle between K. Russell and C. Jones for 3LD opening night or if the coaches will get with Rusty as I think most of us suspect.

    Broberg vs. the 18th forward for a spot in phase 4.

    Is a 10th D more important than an 18th forward? Probably yes.

  24. defmn says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
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    The Oilers have split into two groups today. Caleb Jones is out with the first group.

  25. Reja says:

    godot10: Broberg vs. the 18th forward for a spot in phase 4.

    Is a 10th D more important than an 18th forward?Probably yes.

    If your going deep in the playoffs you can never have enough healthy D. Holland and Tippett both know this that’s why Holland acquired Green although it didn’t pan out. It wouldn’t surprise me if they kept Broberg and if he does get into action it means were probably in the conference finals.

  26. defmn says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
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    1m
    Replying to
    @DNBsports
    Jones playing RD with Broberg. Benning, Russell, Bouchard and Lagesson are not on the ice with this group.

  27. OriginalPouzar says:

    Per Jack Michaels:

    On the ice, Caleb Jones working with Broberg at practice today. Neal-Khaira-Chiasson line continues to look good, playing with pace. The pause seems to have allowed Neal in particular to fully heal from an assortment of lower-body injuries

  28. defmn says:

    Just in case anybody here follows him and didn’t know.

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
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    Hockey fans, Hall of Fame writer Jim Matheson had his Twitter account hacked, and was forced to open a new account.
    Give @jimmathesonnhl
    a follow for all things hockey.

  29. hunter1909 says:

    Shane: Yea Hunter I’m in a few groups. A couple that are just(were) getting off the ground so no content yet. And a cover band.

    However, my old band Mayday and the Beatcreeps has some stuff online you can check out.

    I just checked out Mayday and the Beatcreeps highly watchable performance for the tv channel. Thank you for telling me about yourselves.

  30. jimmers2 says:

    Aw man, sail on Chi Pig. I will sink a beer in his memory this evening and hopefully remembering being light up by him and his band at Spartan’s will shake me off my soft bourgeois butt…

  31. Material Elvis says:

    defmn:
    Just in case anybody here follows him and didn’t know.

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    5m
    Hockey fans, Hall of Fame writer Jim Matheson had his Twitter account hacked, and was forced to open a new account.
    Give @jimmathesonnhla follow for all things hockey.

    Is the new account pushing for a Drew Stafford signing?

  32. meanashell11 says:

    hunter1909: I just checked out Mayday and the Beatcreeps highly watchable performance for the tv channel. Thank you for telling me about yourselves.

    Me as well. Very cool!

  33. defmn says:

    Material Elvis: Is the new account pushing for a Drew Stafford signing?

    Hehe.

    Probably.

  34. Munny says:

    stephen sheps,

    Sad sad news.

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    I guess interviews aren’t being streamed live today.

    As per Gregor:

    “The break was great for me to get completely healthy. Playing with an ankle injury or a foot injury can limit you. I, like most guys I assume, have never felt this fresh going into the playoffs.” James Neal on being healthy for first time since November.

    ————

    While he didn’t score when he returned from injury, if i remember correctly, Neal did seam to be skating better and looked like his dirty self in the o-zone.

    I think there is a decent chance he can be a material player in the playoffs – even if he starts down the lineup. If that fourth line can pop some 5 on 5 goals, that would a long ways!

  36. Gerta Rauss says:

    Sail on Kenny,you were an original

  37. dustrock says:

    I wouldn’t underestimate Playoff Neal.

  38. maudite says:

    Definitely spent last night spinning snfu lps last night. Next to smalls, artist I definitely saw live the most times. Such a giant on that stage.

    I think I’ve seen both those your bands live Shane. I loved the name beatcreeps.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jones confirmed he tested positive for Covid and was asymptomatic.

    He was back with the main group today.

  40. Munny says:

    Per Principe, Caleb Jones had tested positive for Covid but was symptom free.

  41. Munny says:

    defmn:
    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    1m
    Replying to
    @DNBsports
    Jones playing RD with Broberg. Benning, Russell, Bouchard and Lagesson are not on the ice with this group.

    The reporting on Broberg’s TC performance has become quite intriguing.

    I’m kind of split on him returning to Sweden. On one hand, I’d love to see him here helping the Oilers, but on the other, I’d like him to be in the SHL safely figuring out what he can get away with offensively against adults.

  42. SwedishPoster says:

    I’d argue that Anton Johannesson has the highest upside of all swedish D in this draft. First half of first round level skillset but size and lots of injury issues will have him drop. If Old Dutch can grab him in the seventh I’ll pour myself one and then another to celebrate. Will be a very interesting kid to follow the next few years either way. So much talent.

  43. defmn says:

    Munny: The reporting on Broberg’s TC performance has become quite intriguing.

    I’m kind of split on him returning to Sweden.On one hand, I’d love to see him here helping the Oilers, but on the other, I’d like him to be in the SHL safely figuring out what he can get away with offensively against adults.

    I kind of like the fact that the Oilers are finally in a position to develop their dmen slowly rather than rushing them. I don’t think it guarantees success but I think it offers a better chance of success.

    But, yeah, Broberg seems to be making a bit of a statement this week. Nice to hear.

  44. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    LT, please text this info To KH:

    16 LW Pavel Gogolev, Guelph Storm (OHL). Now 20, he is fast and has a great shot. He scored 45 goals in 63 games in the world’s best junior league. He is 6.01, 181. Draft him and turn him pro. Why not?
    Pavel Gogolev (20) (OHL) 40.4

    just in case he doesn’t swing by today 😉

  45. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    defmn,

    I keep seeing this line of commentary, but when was the last time the Oilers rushed a defenseman? Jultz, maybe? Doubtful, as he was already fairly mature entering the organization, I think that was more a poor evaluation of ceiling/ability which PIT showed he’s capable when slotted properly.

    Jones, Bear, Nurse, Klefbom, Petry, Davidson, Oesterle, Hunt (off the top of my head, I’m sure there are others) all took the slow and steady path into the league. The team has actually been decent at this for about a decade now. Or so it would seem.

  46. Shane says:

    meanashell11: Me as well. Very cool!

    Thank you and Hunter for the kind words.

    I’ll tell you, after playing nothing but dingy venues and festivals outside. Having all those super fancy cameras swinging around took a little getting used to.

  47. defmn says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey

    Nurse spent 4 games in the AHL in 13-14 and 9 games in 15-16.

    Klefbom spent 48 games in the AHL in 13-14 and 9 games in 14-15.

    Petry had 41 games in the AHL in 10-11 and 2 games in 11-12.

    Those are the 3 on your list from the first two rounds.

    Bear played 18 games for Edmonton his first year of pro.

    Jones did play his first year of pro in the AHL but was in Edmonton for 17 games in his second season.

    Both Bear and Jones were taken in places in the draft where I think you could say they were brought up early because of injuries, didn’t stick and went back down.

    I didn’t look for Davidson or Osterle who were both late round picks.

    I’d say Edmonton has been rushing their dmen somewhat for a long time if you look at their stats for those first years in Edmonton. You certainly wouldn’t claim that they were left languishing in the NHL due to lack of opportunity.

  48. Shane says:

    maudite,

    Hey cool! Mind if I ask what venue you saw us in? We were playing lots there for a few years and some of those venues don’t exist anymore.

    And thanks, the name was my idea ?

  49. maudite says:

    Honestly couldn’t say. I’m sure much like yourself catch a lot of shows anytime I’m home in edmonton or even when I find myself in Calgary for work.

    I couldnt even wundi, starlite/rev, old but new new city, new city, dewies, rebar/pawnshop, broken city….etc etc.

    Shane:
    maudite,

    Hey cool! Mind if I ask what venue you saw us in? We were playing lots there for a few years and some of those venues don’t exist anymore.

    And thanks, the name was my idea ?

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    Watching today’s post-practice interviews and a couple of things:

    1) Great stache on Neal – not quite to Nuge’s level but great in itself

    2) Talking about the mentorship that Broberg is getting and, thinking about it, getting to be around, and learn from, Larsson and Klefbom is likely a big plus – sounds like Bro is staying at Larsson’s place

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Depending on how it plays out, the Oilers may have Buddy Robinson to thank for keeping the 3rd round pick – Nealer mentioned he hurt his ankle when Buddy fell on it.

    I knew calling that tweener up was a great move by the flames!

  52. John Chambers says:

    Birds eat worms / Pigs eat turds / If I ever say a discouraging word / Slash my face with a rusty rake / It will be something that I deserve

    RIP Chi Pig

  53. godot10 says:

    Caleb Jones with a PR coup today. He deserves a lot of credit for his openness and transparency.

  54. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    defmn,

    Nurse and Klef spent two years post draft in the league they were drafted from, and Kelf lost games in the AHL due to injury. When they played in the NHL they played well, even if tasked with a bit too much due to injury or trade at one time or another.

    Bear and Jones played early ish when we were out of the running as a trial and looked like they would need more seasoning. Which they got.

    Maybe my ‘Seen ’em Good’ gauge is a bit off but they all seem like they got the appropriate amount of time to develop at lower levels. Or perhaps I haven’t paid enough attention to teams like ANA, CAR, NSH and in their defenseman development programs.

  55. maudite says:

    That is one reason I like the choice of Holland. A lot of talk, in negative camp, was how he had luxury to leave players. Mantha, for me, is pretty solid case in even without that luxury still waiting until prospect forces issue.

    20 years of 1srmt rounders tell a sad tale of why Edmonton is where it has been for so long.

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    defmn,

    Nurse and Klef spent two years post draft in the league they were drafted from, and Kelf lost games in the AHL due to injury.When they played in the NHL they played well, even if tasked with a bit too much due to injury or trade at one time or another.

    Bear and Jones played early ish when we were out of the running as a trial and looked like they would need more seasoning.Which they got.

    Maybe my ‘Seen ’em Good’ gauge is a bit off but they all seem like they got the appropriate amount of time to develop at lower levels.Or perhaps I haven’t paid enough attention to teams like ANA, CAR, NSH and in their defenseman development programs.

  56. New Improved Darkness says:

    Edmonton Ewoks.

    No need to change the helmets. Barely any need to change the parka. You just need to change the rain poncho into a roughly hewn koala hijab. Plus with your curly talonic hindclaws sticking out through your independent toe guards, you won’t need to resort to a staple gun to win the next snow bowl. Supposing that snow is still a thing in the new world order.

    [*] In a pinch, emergency footwear can be fashioned from a pair of Vibram FiveFingers, a sharp hatchet, ten D-shaped beer-can pull tabs (these continue to be available in quantity at any uncultivated culvert near you), and a jeweler’s glue gun.

    Alternatively, your Edmonton Emirates—in name only.

    Damn shame about the Heritage Fund that should have been stockpiled for a rainysnowless day.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Broberg vs. the 18th forward for a spot in phase 4.

    Is a 10th D more important than an 18th forward?Probably yes.

    They can bring both – they could simply wave goodbye to Wells and Rodrigue – 28 skaters and 3 goalies.

    The question is whether they want to keep Broberg to practice and “be with” or if they want him getting ready for the year and playing over in Skelfeeta – as originally planned.

    If there are four d-men hurt and unable to play, I don’t imagine the just-turned 19-year old Broberg will be saving the Oilers’ cup run.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    BornInAGretzkyJersey

    Nurse spent 4 games in the AHL in 13-14 and 9 games in 15-16.

    Klefbom spent 48 games in the AHL in 13-14 and 9 games in 14-15.

    Petry had 41 games in the AHL in 10-11 and 2 games in 11-12.

    Those are the 3 on your list from the first two rounds.

    Bear played 18 games for Edmonton his first year of pro.

    Jones did play his first year of pro in the AHL but was in Edmonton for 17 games in his second season.

    Both Bear and Jones were taken in places in the draft where I think you could say they were brought up early because of injuries, didn’t stick and went back down.

    I didn’t look for Davidson or Osterle who were both late round picks.

    I’d say Edmonton has been rushing their dmen somewhat for a long time if you look at their stats for those first years in Edmonton. You certainly wouldn’t claim that they were left languishing in the NHL due to lack of opportunity.

    For full context:

    – Nurse sent two full post-draft seasons in the OHL prior to turning pro. Yes, I think the plan was to give him more time in the AHL but he was the 1st injury call-up and, frankly, he was quite good on the 3rd pairing and pretty much proved he was NHL-ready. Unfortunately, more injuries hit and he was moved up the lineup and struggled playing top 4 with Sekera on his off-side. That part was a rush.

    – Klef spent two full seasons playing legit minutes in the SHL and then over half a season in the AHL – to me that is not rushing if the d-man proves ready.

    – Yup Bear got a cup of coffee in his rookie season playing out the stretch. The organization then gave him zero NHL games the following season, a full AHL season. When he came up after, he proved VERY ready. That is not rushed. That is development, in my opinion.

    – Jones was similar to Bear – after a full AHL season, he was given some NHL games in his 2nd pro season and then started his 3rd season in the AHL and earned a call-up – showed NHL ready when he was called up – again, to me that is not rushing a player but developing a player.

  59. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: They can bring both – they could simply wave goodbye to Wells and Rodrigue – 28 skaters and 3 goalies.

    The question is whether they want to keep Broberg to practice and “be with” or if they want him getting ready for the year and playing over in Skelfeeta – as originally planned.

    If there are four d-men hurt and unable to play, I don’t imagine the just-turned 19-year old Broberg will be saving the Oilers’ cup run.

    Bouchard will play 8 games and will be a point maggot with on tape passing racking up 11 points.

  60. Reja says:

    The Edmonton Eskimos management have so far not made a announcement on the supposed name change. It’s not over till the fat lady sings Ladies and Gentleman.

  61. defmn says:

    Reja:
    The Edmonton Eskimos managementhave so far not made a announcement on the supposed name change. It’s not over till the fat lady sings Ladies and Gentleman.

    I don’t think you are allowed to call people fat anymore. 😉

  62. Dac189 says:

    I never watched football so my opinion doesn’t matter much but I always thought Eskimos was a really cool name.
    If they do change the name I hope they find something better than Empire.
    I just don’t like the name itself.

    Would be kinda neat if they got Aboriginal people to come up with a new name. Make it some translation of Warriors or something of the sort.
    At least it’d be better than Empires.

    I wonder if the Oilers name will change in the next 50 years too

  63. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: I don’t think you are allowed to call people fat anymore.

    Lady is also on very shaky ground.

  64. RonnieB says:

    I’ve been out of the loop for a few days.
    With LT saying the Oilers only have picks in rounds 1,5,6, and 7 does that mean that a decision has been made to give Calgary our 3rd round pick?

  65. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    RonnieB:
    I’ve been out of the loop for a few days.
    With LT saying the Oilers only have picks in rounds1,5,6, and 7 does that mean that a decision has been made to give Calgary our 3rd round pick?

    – Pfff: another draft with a first round hit, plus a Bear, Jones, Marino and we are set for 10 years

  66. ChiliChunk says:

    Long live the Edmonton Endo-Mesomorphs

  67. Lowetide says:

    RonnieB:
    I’ve been out of the loop for a few days.
    With LT saying the Oilers only have picks in rounds1,5,6, and 7 does that mean that a decision has been made to give Calgary our 3rd round pick?

    No. I’m assuming the Neal trade involves the third round pick so people can get used to it.

  68. RonnieB says:

    Lowetide,

    A reasonable perspective. Thanks for the reply.

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: No. I’m assuming the Neal trade involves the third round pick so people can get used to it.

    Pick transferred, end stop? No compensatory pick?

    CGY getting nothing is egregious.

    EDM giving up the pick without getting anything back is egregious.

    There reasonable solution is somewhere in the middle.

  70. Lowetide says:

    OriginalPouzar: Pick transferred, end stop?No compensatory pick?

    CGY getting nothing is egregious.

    EDM giving up the pick without getting anything back is egregious.

    There reasonable solution is somewhere in the middle.

    This is the NHL.

  71. Reja says:

    Lowetide: No. I’m assuming the Neal trade involves the third round pick so people can get used to it.

    No way Holland loses the 3rd. The flames can have Roman Horak back as compensation.

  72. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Lady is also on very shaky ground.

    When Kate Smith was belting out God Bless America for the Flyer team led by Flin Flon hero Bobby Clarke it was a powerful moment in time I’ll never forget. Do you know how tough you had to be to live in Flin Flon in the Sixties

  73. jp says:

    SwedishPoster: I’d argue that Anton Johannesson has the highest upside of all swedish D in this draft. First half of first round level skillset but size and lots of injury issues will have him drop. If Old Dutch can grab him in the seventh I’ll pour myself one and then another to celebrate. Will be a very interesting kid to follow the next few years either way. So much talent.

    I don’t know much about him but it seems he had the best pts/game of all D in the U20 league (at age 17). Impressive, and I’ll join you for a drink, and then another if Holland picks him in the late rounds.

  74. unca miltie says:

    Reja: When Kate Smith was belting out God Bless America for the Flyer team led by Flin Flon hero Bobby Clarke it was a powerful moment in time I’ll never forget. Do you know how tough you had to be to live in Flin Flon in the Sixties

    I can tell you some stories, I was there from June 68 to sept. 70. Very proud of the man Reggie Leach has become.

  75. Munny says:

    Reja: Do you know how tough you had to be to live in Flin Flon in the Sixties

    Well Kharlamov knows…

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide: This is the NHL.

    This is true but I don’t even think they can/will come to that result. Hope I don’t prove to be naive….

  77. Reja says:

    Munny: Well Kharlamov knows…

    He’s not the only one. I wished we had a talented competitive prick maybe Leon goes beast mode and gets the keys to the city.

  78. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn: I don’t think you are allowed to call people fat anymore.

    I was informed yesterday that it was offensive to call people “skinny”, too. What is this world coming to?

  79. BONE207 says:

    ArmchairGM: I was informed yesterday that it was offensive to call people “skinny”, too. What is this world coming to?

    As long as CONNOR gets to lift the Covid Cup, the rest of the world outside of the Lowetide world, can go to hell. I’m so sick of all the other crap.

  80. Munny says:

    Reja: I wished we had a talented competitive prick

    Yamamoto isn’t far off from that guy. Drai certainly has a temper but seems to take a bit to rile him.

  81. Victoria Oil says:

    Reja: I wished we had a talented competitive prick

    I wouldn’t complain if we had another 1 or 2 Adam Larssons – someone who can be nasty to play against without taking too many stupid penalties or getting suspended.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    Victoria Oil: I wouldn’t complain if we had another 1 or 2 Adam Larssons – someone who can be nasty to play against without taking too many stupid penalties or getting suspended.

    Seems Darnell Nurse has been able to tone down his natural meanness to concentrate on hockey but come playoffs I expect Nurse to celebrate his “Scott Stevens moment” lol

  83. hunter1909 says:

    https://oilersdeathmarch.com/playoffs-2020/

    The Hunter1909 2020 Death March™ is Back!

    Simply: Follow the link and make your prediction and join the current Playoff Death March™

  84. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM: I was informed yesterday that it was offensive to call people “skinny”, too. What is this world coming to?

    If we can no longer use any word that offends anybody we are all going to have to learn sign language.

  85. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    defmn,

    You can still offend people using sign language. Its a language.

    And you can also still offend people if you insist (though its a weird thing to lament the passing of) just now people who take offense are less likely to put up with it than when you were in High School.

    Some perplexing logic on this web site lately.

  86. mumbai max says:

    defmn,

    You never were

  87. defmn says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur:
    defmn,

    You can still offend people using sign language. Its a language.

    And you can also still offend people if you insist (though its a weird thing to lament the passing of) just now people who take offense are less likely to put up with it than when you were in High School.

    Some perplexing logic on this web site lately.

    And less and less sense of humour.

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