Lost in the Flood

by Lowetide

The Oilers loaning of Theodor Lennstrom confirms what we already knew: The Bakersfield Condors are unlikely to play hockey again in 2020. Several of the men under contract who would be eligible for AHL work next year (Lennstrom, Dmitri Samorukov, Filip Berglund) are going to be in Europe on loan.

Markus Niemelainen can be loaned back to his Liiga team, and that means Bouchard and two RFA’s (William Lagesson, Logan Day) make up the entirety of the AHL depth chart. Find the bugle, play taps. My guess is the NHL will have a ‘taxi squad’ of extras for 2020-21 unless someone finds a vaccine and right soon. Never bet against science but that’s a big ask.

THE ATHLETIC!

Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. I am proud to be part of The Athletic. Here are the most recent Oilers stories.

LOOKING FOR A HOME FOR THE FUTURE

So let’s make a list of where everyone who might have been on the Condors roster for 2020-21 is going, and then we’ll know who doesn’t have a home.

  • RD Filip Berglund: Linkoping (SHL)
  • LD Philip Broberg: Skelleftea (SHL) or Oilers (NHL)
  • RD Evan Bouchard: Oilers (NHL)
  • LD Dmitri Samorukov: CSKA Moscow (KHL)
  • RD Logan Day: RFA
  • LD William Lagesson: RFA
  • LD Theodor Lennstrom: Frolunda (SHL)
  • LD Markus Niemelainen: Assat (Liiga)

The Oilers may have to figure out what to do with Bouchard, Day and Lagesson. My guess is Day is set free, Lagesson is signed and joins Bouchard on what would be an extended Oilers roster.

There are seven forwards, Edmonton could retain Tyler Benson, Cooper Marody and Ryan McLeod on the extended NHL roster. Raphael Lavoie could head back to the QMJHL. I’m not sure what happens to Kirill Maksimov, Joe Gambardella and Ostap Safin. Probably Europe.

Goalies? Olivier Rodrigue back to junior, Stuart Skinner and Dylan Wells either NHL or Europe. Man what a mess.

PROJECTED OILERS ROSTER [30]

This is inefficient but Seven of Nine isn’t on Oilers Voyageur so some careers could suffer over the next several months. Ryan McLeod is the most vulnerable, I think Bouchard is NHL-ready and should push his way up the depth chart in short order.

COREY CRAWFORD

The Chicago Blackhawks are hopeful Crawford will travel with the team to Edmonton, that implies he is close to ready. Huge part of the series, a story to follow closely in the coming days.

MAGNUS PAAJARVI BORN TO RUN

Lots of fine prospects were wasted on the way or found wanting over the decade of darkness. One of the most promising was Magnus Paajarvi. Here’s my review of his 2012-13 season as written on May 8, 2013.

What do these numbers tell us? He had his finest season. Best 5×5 season, he played 2nd level toughs, he had a reasonable CorsiRel and thank God his shooting percentage crawled from the wreckage. This was some redemption. The young man has earned this, it’s been a tough three seasons since coming over from Sweden.

How could these numbers be better? Just developing, just doing it over and over again. Repeat, rinse, repeat. Guys like Paajarvi–or at least the role I think he’ll play–tend to grab the job at 23 or 24 and then go on a nice run. Pisani didn’t get the NHL job at age 25, it takes some time. Magnus is way ahead of the curve now, after this season.

Why did he get left behind? As a rookie, MP delivered a decent amount of offense based on role but he went backwards the following season. A rough start in his rookie season was met with patience, but in year two coach Renney sent him away for seasoning. Renney had some things going on the top 2 lines and didn’t want to worry over Paajarvi and Omark. The result was a worn down Smyth and a lost season for Paajarvi and Omark. I was generally strong on Renney, and do respect it must be a nightmare to bring 11 forwards who don’t shave along at the same time, but this was a case of opportunity missed imo.

Krueger handled it differently? Well, I think Krueger read the results better. Even in his second season, Paajarvi was doing things that were useful (he was a bottom 6F helping the shot differential). Renney didn’t really find a role, but Krueger sure as hell did, and in fact Krueger used him more and more as the season wore on.

Is there any hope for him as a top 6 forward? Sure, but probably not on the Oilers.

What now? Oilers have Hall, Yakupov and Eberle as part of the top 6F group now, and unless I’ve missed it MacT is going to add a forward for top 6F this summer and that’s either a winger or a center to replace Gagner (who could move to wing). I don’t think he’s going to play top 6F, and I don’t think he’s going to get big PP minutes with this Oiler team.

Will MacT trade him? Maybe. I’m more confident they’ll keep Paajarvi now than I would have been if Tambellini remained. Paajarvi does have some nice things going on, and I could see an NHL team asking after him. However, he’s a talented 2-way winger who fills a role, so if you’re going to deal him then that’s another hole created. Oilers have plenty of things to do this summer, I’m not sure adding new problems to replace old ones is a grand idea.

How did Krueger use him? Top 6 minutes (6th) at EVs (12:18), 1:24 (PP) and 24 seconds on PK.

What’s his likely role? Two-way winger who can PK, jump up the depth chart as required and pop 15-20 goals a year.

He isn’t gritty enough. He’ll never be the physical force people want him to be, but Paajarvi went to the tough areas this season and scored some goals from there. He made a lot of progress, suspect we need to give Todd Nelson in OKC some credit for that, too.

Why Born to Run? It’s about speed (Paajarvi’s crazy fast) and it’s about finding a better place than the one you’re leaving, without really knowing anything about what it looks like. I think that’s Paajarvi now. He might end up on a scoring, a checking line, or in Columbus. But he’s in a better place.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show as excitement builds, we get started at 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal will join us to talk about Leon Draisaitl’s Hart Trophy nomination and about the Oilers playoff chances. We’ll also talk at length about the Edmonton Football Club and the future. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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leeinvan

This is a huge year for Bouchard, perhaps he could go to Europe?
Also Benson, where does he go, having him as an extra forward for the entire season wont work, he like all the others need to play. If there is no AHL season, I would expect the league to make some rule changes,
Terrible timing for some of these prospects.

hunter1909

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dustrock

leeinvan:
This is a huge year for Bouchard, perhaps he could go to Europe?
Also Benson, where does he go, having him as an extra forward for the entire season wont work, he like all the others need to play. If there is no AHL season, I would expect the league to make some rule changes,
Terrible timing for some of these prospects.

Swiss league will look like it did in the lockout, with Joe Thornton et al playing there.

Wouldn’t be the worst thing if there’s no AHL.

dustrock
dustrock

https://theathletic.com/1943800/2020/07/22/its-gonna-be-dicey-far-flung-nhl-broadcasts-bring-new-challenges/

Crazy to think the Hawks broadcast team, for example, will be watching and announcing from the video we’re all watching, not live at Rogers.

I’m assuming Cuthbert & Debrusk will be live at Rogers? Not sure that was confirmed.

knighttown

After watching Woodguy et al. discuss futures betting over the last few years I feel like it’s time to drop a few units on these playoffs. I’ve only ever used Proline. If it’s ok to ask this here, any tips on a good/safe site to open an account?

OriginalPouzar

I was hoping to see Niemelainen and Lennstrom loaned back to their European club teams – I’m happy with the Lennstrom news. One down, one to go.

I don’t see the AHL starting before the NHL and I don’t see it not starting when the NHL starts.

The NHL will have a 2020/21 season, I’m fairly confidant in that – the AHL will likely start in lock-step – there may be some teams (the independants) that don’t play and a player dispersal but I think the league will start at some point.

I sure hope so – I really want a place for Lavoie, Maksimov, McLeod, Rodrigue, Skinner, etc. to play.

OriginalPouzar

To the extent that AHL does not start in lock-step with the NHL then, absolutely, there needs to be an expanded NHL roster or taxi squad as you say as there needs to be available players for injury replacement, etc. Of course, those expanded roster/taxi squad players cannot have cap implications, etc.

I do think the AHL can start in lockstep with the NHL with a geographical schedule and a dispersal of players from the teams that are not owned by their NHL affiliates.

Of course, I don’t know the economics and am assuming the NHL pockets will fund the AHL affiliates and that is a big assumption.

OriginalPouzar

Months ago, I was of the opinion that Logan Day wouldn’t be re-signed but, with Berglund staying in Europe for another year, there is a lack of AHL right shot d-men and I think he could be re-signed – maybe back to an AHL contract. Covid-related-issues aside.

OriginalPouzar

I guess Rodrigue can go back to junior but (1) will the Q be playing and (2) well, that is far from ideal as he’s ready to move on to pro.

What about Phil Kemp? The Ivy League isn’t playing.

Will he sign an ELC or an AHL contract and turn pro? Is there a market for the likes of Kemp in a European league for one year?

OriginalPouzar

I’ve been saying for a few days now that, even of Crawford was to show up at camp, I can’t see him being ready for game 1. Scott Powers (The Athletic Chicago) referenced some older quotes by Crawford a few days ago about him needing quite a few reps to get ready for a season – he hasn’t been seen in Phase 2 or 3 – has he seen a single puck since March?

I think its now just verbal posturing by Bowman and the coaching staff – don’t imagine its not Subban in net on August 1.

defmn

Flyers extend Lindblom from his ELC to a three year at $3M per.

Since May 1 there have been very few contracts signed above those that could be buried in the minors and I think this is the first significant raise offered to a RFA with no arb rights coming out of his ELC since the virus laid waste to the idea of the cap rising annually.

Bear would be the only Oiler who falls into that category this off season but it is something to consider as we know agents love to argue comparables and they now have one example to point to.

https://www.tsn.ca/philadelphia-flyers-extend-oskar-lindblom-on-three-year-deal-1.1498410

OriginalPouzar

Holland having a press conference at noon.

I’m guessing no major announcement – probably just a media avail in front of the league’s media avail re: hub cities.

barry.moore23

dustrock,

John Wiedeman is a great play by play guy. I grew up listening to Pat Foley and Dale Tallon call Hawks games on WBBM and 670 The Score ( i think it was). I believe Wiedeman used to be an Islanders guy. This was in the days way before the internet 🙂

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: If what the team wants is mediocrity they should do as you suggest. The purpose is not to survive but prosper. You never get better moving better players!

Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade. This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might trump the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in. I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim. The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Oh, I see a hole…I’m going to jump in!

1. There is going to be no significant change to how Covid is being handled in the US in the foreseeable future (several months).
2. There will be about a 3 month lag time for effective public health management efforts to materialize in terms of significant decreases in infection rates, i.e., like a lock-down effect ca. March-June.
3. I can’t fathom the Canadian government allowing open travel between the US and Canada until Covid is under control in the US, i.e., as per above ~ Feb-March 2021
4. Given points 1-3 above, would the NHL consider the proposed Dec 1. 2020 start date using Canadian cities as hubs, Van, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa…

Shoot!

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: If what the team wants is mediocrity they should do as you suggest. The purpose is not to survive but prosper. You never get better moving better players!

Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade. This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in. I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim. The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

Oil2Oilers

Broberg’s excellent camp is a good arrow, ensuring he gets maximum games and ice time this year should be the priority. Sweden looks like the wisest choice.

I hope the big body 4th line has playoff success because I want the Oilers to do well in the playoffs. Plus it might make Chiason easier to move in the off season to free up precious cap space, Khaira would be an affordable 4th line center, and a productive Neal who is likely to be with the team regardless next season is better productive than not.

A misfit 3d line of Benson-Hass-Puljujarvi would interest me next season. Not sure where the goals would come from but they would draw all kinds of penalties.

hunter1909

OriginalPouzar: Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C

Assuming Nurse continues to progress, this is a clear downgrade for the team to trade with a 3rd line player returning. It’s almost like the Taylor Hall trade. Actually it’s almost exactly like the Taylor Hall trade.

Reja

Oil2Oilers:
Broberg’s excellent camp is a good arrow, ensuring he gets maximum games and ice time this year should be the priority. Sweden looks like the wisest choice.

I hope the big body 4th line has playoff success because I want the Oilers to do well in the playoffs. Plus it might make Chiason easier to move in the off season to free up precious cap space, Khaira would be an affordable 4th line center, and a productive Neal who is likely to be with the team regardless next season is better productive than not.

A misfit 3d line of Benson-Hass-Puljujarvi would interest me next season. Not sure where the goals would come from but they would draw all kinds of penalties.

Jesse doesn’t want to play for the Oilers that’s why he’s playing in some 6th rate league. Jesse saying you never know was because his agent after taking a couple of pokes to the ribs by someone smarter then him told him his value will go up with other teams.

Doug McLachlan

GordieHoweHatTrick,

Or would the NHL restructure the divisions until the Border Opens – do a 7 team Canadian Division that would just play in-division games in Canada?

Playoffs in Vegas after the 1st or 2nd round?

CMcD4PM

hunter1909,

You know who would slot in as an ideal 3rd line centre? Kill penalties and chip in a few goals? Ryan Strome, I wonder if Nurse would be enough?

OriginalPouzar

Holland’s Media Avail:

Holland’s Plan – watch each Oiler game live, find another game to “scout live” and go back to hotel to watch an eastern game. Watching lots of hockey

Talked first thing on the first day about the players and everyone being very cautious and protective – where they go and how they behave, etc. So far so good – they are getting tested every second day and it seems they are making good decisions, etc.

Spec asked about surprises on the ice (as in the olden days players didn’t necessarily show up in shape): Holland and Tip have been happy with the work ethic and the attitude. Players make good decisions about training, diet, etc. Happy where they are at. Want to get crisper. Coach T. has been emphasizing special teams which will be important. Wouldn’t single out any particular player even though we know Spec was fishing for a Broberg comment.

Asked about CBA, Flat Cap and Free Agents: Need to take a 2-year look when doing contracts. Will be $81.5M which is lower than prior projections by a material amount. It’s going to be tight. Always need cheaper players on roster. Obviously some players we need to sign by November/December – we have time. Looking forward to evaluating team during tournament then sitting down with pro scouts and coaches and see what we all think. Of course, the 71 games prior are a big part of the evaluation process – its not all about the post-season but he wants to watch them play.

Lennstrom – spoke with Frolunda’s GM and Lennstrom’s agent – being loaned up and till training camp starts and Frolunda understands he’s coming back. The player wants to come back and given North America a shot.

Asked about Kemp – Holland needs to reach out and think what the player is thinking and what the organization is thinking. Its on his to-do list.

Asked about Broberg – Plan was to go back to Sweden. With Green opting out they decided to keep a close look on Broberg and, if he plays well enough, they may bring him to phase 4. Skelefteea starts their camp next week but Holland has spoken to the player, the agent and the Skelefteea GM and indicated they are going to take him in to the hub – they want to bring 10D.

Holland ends talking about how excited he is to get in to the hub and see how it all looks and to watch hockey.

Holland’s enthusiasm is intoxicating.

OriginalPouzar

hunter1909: Assuming Nurse continues to progress, this is a clear downgrade for the team to trade with a 3rd line player returning. It’s almost like the Taylor Hall trade. Actually it’s almost exactly like the Taylor Hall trade.

Of course you took a snippet of the post for some reason….. it went on to say “or scoring winger”.

Adding, say, Phillip Danault to the roster (and maybe even a 2nd asset in the trade) would be a massive add.

We aren’t talking about trading Nurse for a middling return.

dustrock

OriginalPouzar,

Thanks OP.

If Broberg is getting a bunch of time now, I wonder (beyond a good performance) if it’s just (a) they really haven’t seen him in action in person before, and (b) the upcoming Skelelefteea deadline.

They won’t want him to miss the start of camp if he’s not going to Phase 4.

OriginalPouzar

Oilers are scrimmaging tonight at 830 to simulate night games – it won’t be streamed.

They are also scrimmaging on Saturday at 1 and that will be streamed.

OriginalPouzar

dustrock:
OriginalPouzar,

Thanks OP.

If Broberg is getting a bunch of time now, I wonder (beyond a good performance) if it’s just (a) they really haven’t seen him in action in person before, and (b) the upcoming Skelelefteea deadline.

They won’t want him to miss the start of camp if he’s not going to Phase 4.

Oilers’ Camp ends before Skelfeeta’s starts but they’ve already decided he is coming to the hub so he will for sure miss Skelfeeta’s camp, or at least the start of it.

ArmchairGM

OriginalPouzar: Of course you took a snippet of the post for some reason….. it went on to say “or scoring winger”.

Adding, say, Phillip Danault to the roster (and maybe even a 2nd asset in the trade) would be a massive add.

We aren’t talking about trading Nurse for a middling return.

Danault can be added as a free agent. We just have to wait a year. The age difference makes that a bad trade anyhow, unless the “2nd asset” was worth as much as the 1st.

godot10

OriginalPouzar: Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade.This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in.I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim.The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

High end 3rd line centres are availabe as UFA’s or salary cap dumps every year. One doesn’t have to trade an in-their-prime-physical-minute-munching-shutdown-D-who-is-and-elite-skater for them.

Ditto for for top six wingers.

Your sense of value is way off.

The ONLY thing that will prevent McDavid and Draisaitl from collecting mulitple Cups is repeating the mistake of gutting the D of defensemen in their peak years.

Which is what trading Klefbom or Nurse would do over the next three years.

godot10

Doug McLachlan:
GordieHoweHatTrick,

Or would the NHL restructure the divisions until the Border Opens – do a 7 team Canadian Division that would just play in-division games in Canada?

Playoffs in Vegas after the 1st or 2nd round?

Somebody might have suggested that already.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar: Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade.This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in.I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim.The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

The guy you are getting back for Nurse won’t be playing for free! You would be downgrading you D with the possible hope of improving your forward group. With the trade record of this team I can’t possibly see how this could go wrong. This best case scenario is short term gain for long term pain of mediocrity. If we make the right moves we can have nice things. After we move Nurse who would be your next player we can’t afford. What you propose is a very slippery slope. The memory of the Gretzky trade ring a bell with you. There were fans at the time that were on board with that move too.

godot10

I hope the Oilers choose to be the visiting team in their exhibition game against Calgary to get used to the visiting team bench at Rogers Place.

dustrock

godot10:
I hope the Oilers choose to be the visiting team in their exhibition game against Calgary to get used to the visiting team bench at Rogers Place.

Absolutely.

meanashell11

godot10: High end 3rd line centres are availabe as UFA’s or salary cap dumps every year.One doesn’t have to trade an in-their-prime-physical-minute-munching-shutdown-D-who-is-and-elite-skater for them.

Ditto for for top six wingers.

Your sense of value is way off.

The ONLY thing that will prevent McDavid and Draisaitl from collecting mulitple Cups is repeating the mistake of gutting the D of defensemen in their peak years.

Which is what trading Klefbom or Nurse would do over the next three years.

Not to mention Nurse and McDavid are very close friends….. I am sure McDavid would not be happy.

Harpers Hair

The Federal government announces it will not provide emergency funding to the CFL.

Likely the end of the league.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

ArmchairGM: Danault can be added as a free agent. We just have to wait a year. The age difference makes that a bad trade anyhow, unless the “2nd asset” was worth as much as the 1st.

Just because he’s up for UFA status doesn’t mean he’s going to actually reach it. Can other teams just add Nuge as a UFA then, too? Because I’d wager it’s more likely he goes UFA than Danault. He and Gallagher make for killer top line that is the foundation for a shutdown+outscoring unit the likes of which forms a STRONG base for a contending team.

This isn’t even to touch on the suggestion that they’d trade him, either, because I think that’s even less likely. However, it seems quite clear to me that OP is using Danault as an example of the level of “3C we’d get in exchange for Nurse” (even if I think calling Danault a 3C in ANY way is insultingly diminishing his value).

N64

Harpers Hair:
The Federal government announces it will not provide emergency funding to the CFL.

Likely the end of the league.

~ Edmonton Ex~

Suspect feds not willing to give them $ to play.Would not be surprised if they get something to survive a sabbatical year.

flyfish1168

Oskar Lindblom signs for 9 over 3 yrs. I’m thinking Ethan should not cost as much. Hoping somewhere between 2- 2.5 at most.

OriginalPouzar

pts2pndr: The guy you are getting back for Nurse won’t be playing for free!You would be downgrading you D with the possible hope of improving your forward group. With the trade record of this team I can’t possibly see how this could go wrong. This best case scenario is short term gain for long term pain of mediocrity. If we make the right moves we can have nice things. After we move Nurse who would be your next player we can’t afford. What you propose is a very slippery slope. The memory of the Gretzky trade ring a bell with you. There were fans at the time that were on board with that move too.

Potentially downgrading at D to potentially upgrade at another position.

That is how trades go sometimes and how balance can be created.

The Oilers have a wealth of potential developing on the left defence front and very little potential developing at the top 6 winger and 3C spot (positions the host has targeted as core positions, including the 3C).

Again, the key here is the development of that potential and where they are in relation to Nurse at the time a trade may make sense. Right now, not even close and the trade is a non-starter. They may be in a different position in a year – we just don’t know but its a possibility.

This isn’t about just “cap space” but about filling roster holes with that cap space.

Again, I am NOT proposing that they trade Nurse but I’m not discounting it as a potential option at a time in the future.

That’s great that Nurse and McDavid are friends – maybe McDavid can talk to his friend about not digging in so hard on every contract. If Nurse wants $7M plus going forward, that’s a problem for the organization’s ability to win championships.

flyfish1168

OriginalPouzar: Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade.This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in.I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim.The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

Darnell is a core player and the only D-man we have that will fight and keep the other team honest. I see us making trades of other players to fit Darnell in. You can’t keep trading these guys they don’t grow on trees. Darnell brings will also need to work within the budget if he wants to help the team stay competitive.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

OriginalPouzar,

Klefbom is the one I move if I’m picking between the two. Probably a year and a half to two years from now and he’s the one I try to use to fill those holes.

Harpers Hair

N64: ~ Edmonton Ex~

Suspect feds not willing to give them $ to play.Would not be surprised if they get something tosurvive a sabbatical year.

Don’t think they can survive a sabbatical year.

Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver were already barely hanging on and Edmonton lost more than $1 million and now face a mass exodus of pissed off season ticket holders.

I would imagine many corporate sponsors will jump ship and TSN has been hung out to dry.

Many of the players will not return after missing a year of compensation so, for the tams remaining it will be like starting a new league.

The owner of the BC Lions has already says he’s out if there is no season this year.

Others will follow.

ArmchairGM

Darnell Nurse does not have to be trade because cap. Not now, not in a year, not in 2 years. That’s a fallacious argument altogether.

Justthestatsman

Harpers Hair: Don’t think they can survive a sabbatical year.

Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver were already barely hanging on and Edmonton lost more than $1 million and now face a mass exodus of pissed off season ticket holders.

I would imagine many corporate sponsors will jump ship and TSN has been hung out to dry.

Many of the players will not return after missing a year of compensation so, for the tams remaining it will be like starting a new league.

The owner of the BC Lions has already says he’s out if there is no season this year.

Others will follow.

My understanding of this is that the Minister of Heritage indicated in the House of Commons today that Sport Canada would not provide funding for the CFL. The funding request from the CFL had been made to a different area of the federal government. Obviously, the answer could still be ‘no’, but it’s not quite dead yet.

In regards to the EE Football team finances, apparently $950K of the $1.1MM loss was money sent to keep Montreal afloat. Not good for the league, but good for EE that they had the ability to do that. Not sure how much other teams may have kicked in.

leadfarmer

Harpers Hair: Don’t think they can survive a sabbatical year.

Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver were already barely hanging on and Edmonton lost more than $1 million and now face a mass exodus of pissed off season ticket holders.

I would imagine many corporate sponsors will jump ship and TSN has been hung out to dry.

Many of the players will not return after missing a year of compensation so, for the tams remaining it will be like starting a new league.

The owner of the BC Lions has already says he’s out if there is no season this year.

Others will follow.

All this pissed off fans stuff is just noise
Just like Kaepernick
the anthem protests
And the team formerly known as Redskins
Peoples attention spans to these things is so incredibly short

This fall is going to be rough
Any sort of live sport will blow away all tv ratings and no one will care what a team name is, except for a tiny handful of bitter old farts

Reja

leadfarmer: All this pissed off fans stuffis just noise
Just like Kaepernickthe anthem protests
And the team formerly known as Redskins
Peoples attention spans to these things is so incredibly short

This fall is going to be rough
Any sort of live sport will blow away all tv ratings and no one will care what a team name is, except for a tiny handful of bitter old farts

The Eskimos will lose 20% of their fan base if not more if the league even returns.

leadfarmer

Reja,

For a week or two

leadfarmer

Reja: The Eskimos will lose 20% of their fan base if not more if the league even returns.

The old wet fart protests hardly make a meaningful dent
NFL ratings went up last year

Now The draft ratings exploded this year 40%
EPL broke records as soon as they went live and immediately had 3 of 10 most games by end of June

Anyone that can produce live content is going to win

Reja

leadfarmer:
Reja,

For a week or two

Will see with the renewing of season tickets, I don’t think there’ll be a problem with social distancing.

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer: All this pissed off fans stuffis just noise
Just like Kaepernickthe anthem protests
And the team formerly known as Redskins
Peoples attention spans to these things is so incredibly short

This fall is going to be rough
Any sort of live sport will blow away all tv ratings and no one will care what a team name is, except for a tiny handful of bitter old farts

Conflating the NFL to the CFL is nonsense.

The CFL operates on very small budgets and has zero margin for error and I don’t think the CFL will be blowing away any TV ratings when they aren’t playing games.