Lost in the Flood

The Oilers loaning of Theodor Lennstrom confirms what we already knew: The Bakersfield Condors are unlikely to play hockey again in 2020. Several of the men under contract who would be eligible for AHL work next year (Lennstrom, Dmitri Samorukov, Filip Berglund) are going to be in Europe on loan.

Markus Niemelainen can be loaned back to his Liiga team, and that means Bouchard and two RFA’s (William Lagesson, Logan Day) make up the entirety of the AHL depth chart. Find the bugle, play taps. My guess is the NHL will have a ‘taxi squad’ of extras for 2020-21 unless someone finds a vaccine and right soon. Never bet against science but that’s a big ask.

THE ATHLETIC!

Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. I am proud to be part of The Athletic. Here are the most recent Oilers stories.

LOOKING FOR A HOME FOR THE FUTURE

So let’s make a list of where everyone who might have been on the Condors roster for 2020-21 is going, and then we’ll know who doesn’t have a home.

  • RD Filip Berglund: Linkoping (SHL)
  • LD Philip Broberg: Skelleftea (SHL) or Oilers (NHL)
  • RD Evan Bouchard: Oilers (NHL)
  • LD Dmitri Samorukov: CSKA Moscow (KHL)
  • RD Logan Day: RFA
  • LD William Lagesson: RFA
  • LD Theodor Lennstrom: Frolunda (SHL)
  • LD Markus Niemelainen: Assat (Liiga)

The Oilers may have to figure out what to do with Bouchard, Day and Lagesson. My guess is Day is set free, Lagesson is signed and joins Bouchard on what would be an extended Oilers roster.

There are seven forwards, Edmonton could retain Tyler Benson, Cooper Marody and Ryan McLeod on the extended NHL roster. Raphael Lavoie could head back to the QMJHL. I’m not sure what happens to Kirill Maksimov, Joe Gambardella and Ostap Safin. Probably Europe.

Goalies? Olivier Rodrigue back to junior, Stuart Skinner and Dylan Wells either NHL or Europe. Man what a mess.

PROJECTED OILERS ROSTER [30]

This is inefficient but Seven of Nine isn’t on Oilers Voyageur so some careers could suffer over the next several months. Ryan McLeod is the most vulnerable, I think Bouchard is NHL-ready and should push his way up the depth chart in short order.

COREY CRAWFORD

The Chicago Blackhawks are hopeful Crawford will travel with the team to Edmonton, that implies he is close to ready. Huge part of the series, a story to follow closely in the coming days.

MAGNUS PAAJARVI BORN TO RUN

Lots of fine prospects were wasted on the way or found wanting over the decade of darkness. One of the most promising was Magnus Paajarvi. Here’s my review of his 2012-13 season as written on May 8, 2013.

What do these numbers tell us? He had his finest season. Best 5×5 season, he played 2nd level toughs, he had a reasonable CorsiRel and thank God his shooting percentage crawled from the wreckage. This was some redemption. The young man has earned this, it’s been a tough three seasons since coming over from Sweden.

How could these numbers be better? Just developing, just doing it over and over again. Repeat, rinse, repeat. Guys like Paajarvi–or at least the role I think he’ll play–tend to grab the job at 23 or 24 and then go on a nice run. Pisani didn’t get the NHL job at age 25, it takes some time. Magnus is way ahead of the curve now, after this season.

Why did he get left behind? As a rookie, MP delivered a decent amount of offense based on role but he went backwards the following season. A rough start in his rookie season was met with patience, but in year two coach Renney sent him away for seasoning. Renney had some things going on the top 2 lines and didn’t want to worry over Paajarvi and Omark. The result was a worn down Smyth and a lost season for Paajarvi and Omark. I was generally strong on Renney, and do respect it must be a nightmare to bring 11 forwards who don’t shave along at the same time, but this was a case of opportunity missed imo.

Krueger handled it differently? Well, I think Krueger read the results better. Even in his second season, Paajarvi was doing things that were useful (he was a bottom 6F helping the shot differential). Renney didn’t really find a role, but Krueger sure as hell did, and in fact Krueger used him more and more as the season wore on.

Is there any hope for him as a top 6 forward? Sure, but probably not on the Oilers.

What now? Oilers have Hall, Yakupov and Eberle as part of the top 6F group now, and unless I’ve missed it MacT is going to add a forward for top 6F this summer and that’s either a winger or a center to replace Gagner (who could move to wing). I don’t think he’s going to play top 6F, and I don’t think he’s going to get big PP minutes with this Oiler team.

Will MacT trade him? Maybe. I’m more confident they’ll keep Paajarvi now than I would have been if Tambellini remained. Paajarvi does have some nice things going on, and I could see an NHL team asking after him. However, he’s a talented 2-way winger who fills a role, so if you’re going to deal him then that’s another hole created. Oilers have plenty of things to do this summer, I’m not sure adding new problems to replace old ones is a grand idea.

How did Krueger use him? Top 6 minutes (6th) at EVs (12:18), 1:24 (PP) and 24 seconds on PK.

What’s his likely role? Two-way winger who can PK, jump up the depth chart as required and pop 15-20 goals a year.

He isn’t gritty enough. He’ll never be the physical force people want him to be, but Paajarvi went to the tough areas this season and scored some goals from there. He made a lot of progress, suspect we need to give Todd Nelson in OKC some credit for that, too.

Why Born to Run? It’s about speed (Paajarvi’s crazy fast) and it’s about finding a better place than the one you’re leaving, without really knowing anything about what it looks like. I think that’s Paajarvi now. He might end up on a scoring, a checking line, or in Columbus. But he’s in a better place.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun show as excitement builds, we get started at 10 this morning, TSN 1260. Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal will join us to talk about Leon Draisaitl’s Hart Trophy nomination and about the Oilers playoff chances. We’ll also talk at length about the Edmonton Football Club and the future. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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144 Responses to "Lost in the Flood"

  1. leeinvan says:

    This is a huge year for Bouchard, perhaps he could go to Europe?
    Also Benson, where does he go, having him as an extra forward for the entire season wont work, he like all the others need to play. If there is no AHL season, I would expect the league to make some rule changes,
    Terrible timing for some of these prospects.

  2. hunter1909 says:

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  3. dustrock says:

    leeinvan:
    This is a huge year for Bouchard, perhaps he could go to Europe?
    Also Benson, where does he go, having him as an extra forward for the entire season wont work, he like all the others need to play. If there is no AHL season, I would expect the league to make some rule changes,
    Terrible timing for some of these prospects.

    Swiss league will look like it did in the lockout, with Joe Thornton et al playing there.

    Wouldn’t be the worst thing if there’s no AHL.

  4. dustrock says:

    https://theathletic.com/1943800/2020/07/22/its-gonna-be-dicey-far-flung-nhl-broadcasts-bring-new-challenges/

    Crazy to think the Hawks broadcast team, for example, will be watching and announcing from the video we’re all watching, not live at Rogers.

    I’m assuming Cuthbert & Debrusk will be live at Rogers? Not sure that was confirmed.

  5. knighttown says:

    After watching Woodguy et al. discuss futures betting over the last few years I feel like it’s time to drop a few units on these playoffs. I’ve only ever used Proline. If it’s ok to ask this here, any tips on a good/safe site to open an account?

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    I was hoping to see Niemelainen and Lennstrom loaned back to their European club teams – I’m happy with the Lennstrom news. One down, one to go.

    I don’t see the AHL starting before the NHL and I don’t see it not starting when the NHL starts.

    The NHL will have a 2020/21 season, I’m fairly confidant in that – the AHL will likely start in lock-step – there may be some teams (the independants) that don’t play and a player dispersal but I think the league will start at some point.

    I sure hope so – I really want a place for Lavoie, Maksimov, McLeod, Rodrigue, Skinner, etc. to play.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    To the extent that AHL does not start in lock-step with the NHL then, absolutely, there needs to be an expanded NHL roster or taxi squad as you say as there needs to be available players for injury replacement, etc. Of course, those expanded roster/taxi squad players cannot have cap implications, etc.

    I do think the AHL can start in lockstep with the NHL with a geographical schedule and a dispersal of players from the teams that are not owned by their NHL affiliates.

    Of course, I don’t know the economics and am assuming the NHL pockets will fund the AHL affiliates and that is a big assumption.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Months ago, I was of the opinion that Logan Day wouldn’t be re-signed but, with Berglund staying in Europe for another year, there is a lack of AHL right shot d-men and I think he could be re-signed – maybe back to an AHL contract. Covid-related-issues aside.

  9. OriginalPouzar says:

    I guess Rodrigue can go back to junior but (1) will the Q be playing and (2) well, that is far from ideal as he’s ready to move on to pro.

    What about Phil Kemp? The Ivy League isn’t playing.

    Will he sign an ELC or an AHL contract and turn pro? Is there a market for the likes of Kemp in a European league for one year?

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’ve been saying for a few days now that, even of Crawford was to show up at camp, I can’t see him being ready for game 1. Scott Powers (The Athletic Chicago) referenced some older quotes by Crawford a few days ago about him needing quite a few reps to get ready for a season – he hasn’t been seen in Phase 2 or 3 – has he seen a single puck since March?

    I think its now just verbal posturing by Bowman and the coaching staff – don’t imagine its not Subban in net on August 1.

  11. defmn says:

    Flyers extend Lindblom from his ELC to a three year at $3M per.

    Since May 1 there have been very few contracts signed above those that could be buried in the minors and I think this is the first significant raise offered to a RFA with no arb rights coming out of his ELC since the virus laid waste to the idea of the cap rising annually.

    Bear would be the only Oiler who falls into that category this off season but it is something to consider as we know agents love to argue comparables and they now have one example to point to.

    https://www.tsn.ca/philadelphia-flyers-extend-oskar-lindblom-on-three-year-deal-1.1498410

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland having a press conference at noon.

    I’m guessing no major announcement – probably just a media avail in front of the league’s media avail re: hub cities.

  13. barry.moore23 says:

    dustrock,

    John Wiedeman is a great play by play guy. I grew up listening to Pat Foley and Dale Tallon call Hawks games on WBBM and 670 The Score ( i think it was). I believe Wiedeman used to be an Islanders guy. This was in the days way before the internet 🙂

  14. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Oh, I see a hole…I’m going to jump in!

    1. There is going to be no significant change to how Covid is being handled in the US in the foreseeable future (several months).
    2. There will be about a 3 month lag time for effective public health management efforts to materialize in terms of significant decreases in infection rates, i.e., like a lock-down effect ca. March-June.
    3. I can’t fathom the Canadian government allowing open travel between the US and Canada until Covid is under control in the US, i.e., as per above ~ Feb-March 2021
    4. Given points 1-3 above, would the NHL consider the proposed Dec 1. 2020 start date using Canadian cities as hubs, Van, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa…

    Shoot!

  15. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: If what the team wants is mediocrity they should do as you suggest. The purpose is not to survive but prosper. You never get better moving better players!

    Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

    When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade. This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

    Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in. I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

    Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim. The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

  16. Oil2Oilers says:

    Broberg’s excellent camp is a good arrow, ensuring he gets maximum games and ice time this year should be the priority. Sweden looks like the wisest choice.

    I hope the big body 4th line has playoff success because I want the Oilers to do well in the playoffs. Plus it might make Chiason easier to move in the off season to free up precious cap space, Khaira would be an affordable 4th line center, and a productive Neal who is likely to be with the team regardless next season is better productive than not.

    A misfit 3d line of Benson-Hass-Puljujarvi would interest me next season. Not sure where the goals would come from but they would draw all kinds of penalties.

  17. hunter1909 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C

    Assuming Nurse continues to progress, this is a clear downgrade for the team to trade with a 3rd line player returning. It’s almost like the Taylor Hall trade. Actually it’s almost exactly like the Taylor Hall trade.

  18. Reja says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Broberg’s excellent camp is a good arrow, ensuring he gets maximum games and ice time this year should be the priority. Sweden looks like the wisest choice.

    I hope the big body 4th line has playoff success because I want the Oilers to do well in the playoffs. Plus it might make Chiason easier to move in the off season to free up precious cap space, Khaira would be an affordable 4th line center, and a productive Neal who is likely to be with the team regardless next season is better productive than not.

    A misfit 3d line of Benson-Hass-Puljujarvi would interest me next season. Not sure where the goals would come from but they would draw all kinds of penalties.

    Jesse doesn’t want to play for the Oilers that’s why he’s playing in some 6th rate league. Jesse saying you never know was because his agent after taking a couple of pokes to the ribs by someone smarter then him told him his value will go up with other teams.

  19. Doug McLachlan says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Or would the NHL restructure the divisions until the Border Opens – do a 7 team Canadian Division that would just play in-division games in Canada?

    Playoffs in Vegas after the 1st or 2nd round?

  20. CMcD4PM says:

    hunter1909,

    You know who would slot in as an ideal 3rd line centre? Kill penalties and chip in a few goals? Ryan Strome, I wonder if Nurse would be enough?

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland’s Media Avail:

    Holland’s Plan – watch each Oiler game live, find another game to “scout live” and go back to hotel to watch an eastern game. Watching lots of hockey

    Talked first thing on the first day about the players and everyone being very cautious and protective – where they go and how they behave, etc. So far so good – they are getting tested every second day and it seems they are making good decisions, etc.

    Spec asked about surprises on the ice (as in the olden days players didn’t necessarily show up in shape): Holland and Tip have been happy with the work ethic and the attitude. Players make good decisions about training, diet, etc. Happy where they are at. Want to get crisper. Coach T. has been emphasizing special teams which will be important. Wouldn’t single out any particular player even though we know Spec was fishing for a Broberg comment.

    Asked about CBA, Flat Cap and Free Agents: Need to take a 2-year look when doing contracts. Will be $81.5M which is lower than prior projections by a material amount. It’s going to be tight. Always need cheaper players on roster. Obviously some players we need to sign by November/December – we have time. Looking forward to evaluating team during tournament then sitting down with pro scouts and coaches and see what we all think. Of course, the 71 games prior are a big part of the evaluation process – its not all about the post-season but he wants to watch them play.

    Lennstrom – spoke with Frolunda’s GM and Lennstrom’s agent – being loaned up and till training camp starts and Frolunda understands he’s coming back. The player wants to come back and given North America a shot.

    Asked about Kemp – Holland needs to reach out and think what the player is thinking and what the organization is thinking. Its on his to-do list.

    Asked about Broberg – Plan was to go back to Sweden. With Green opting out they decided to keep a close look on Broberg and, if he plays well enough, they may bring him to phase 4. Skelefteea starts their camp next week but Holland has spoken to the player, the agent and the Skelefteea GM and indicated they are going to take him in to the hub – they want to bring 10D.

    Holland ends talking about how excited he is to get in to the hub and see how it all looks and to watch hockey.

    Holland’s enthusiasm is intoxicating.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Assuming Nurse continues to progress, this is a clear downgrade for the team to trade with a 3rd line player returning. It’s almost like the Taylor Hall trade. Actually it’s almost exactly like the Taylor Hall trade.

    Of course you took a snippet of the post for some reason….. it went on to say “or scoring winger”.

    Adding, say, Phillip Danault to the roster (and maybe even a 2nd asset in the trade) would be a massive add.

    We aren’t talking about trading Nurse for a middling return.

  23. dustrock says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks OP.

    If Broberg is getting a bunch of time now, I wonder (beyond a good performance) if it’s just (a) they really haven’t seen him in action in person before, and (b) the upcoming Skelelefteea deadline.

    They won’t want him to miss the start of camp if he’s not going to Phase 4.

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers are scrimmaging tonight at 830 to simulate night games – it won’t be streamed.

    They are also scrimmaging on Saturday at 1 and that will be streamed.

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Thanks OP.

    If Broberg is getting a bunch of time now, I wonder (beyond a good performance) if it’s just (a) they really haven’t seen him in action in person before, and (b) the upcoming Skelelefteea deadline.

    They won’t want him to miss the start of camp if he’s not going to Phase 4.

    Oilers’ Camp ends before Skelfeeta’s starts but they’ve already decided he is coming to the hub so he will for sure miss Skelfeeta’s camp, or at least the start of it.

  26. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Of course you took a snippet of the post for some reason….. it went on to say “or scoring winger”.

    Adding, say, Phillip Danault to the roster (and maybe even a 2nd asset in the trade) would be a massive add.

    We aren’t talking about trading Nurse for a middling return.

    Danault can be added as a free agent. We just have to wait a year. The age difference makes that a bad trade anyhow, unless the “2nd asset” was worth as much as the 1st.

  27. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

    When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade.This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

    Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in.I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

    Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim.The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

    High end 3rd line centres are availabe as UFA’s or salary cap dumps every year. One doesn’t have to trade an in-their-prime-physical-minute-munching-shutdown-D-who-is-and-elite-skater for them.

    Ditto for for top six wingers.

    Your sense of value is way off.

    The ONLY thing that will prevent McDavid and Draisaitl from collecting mulitple Cups is repeating the mistake of gutting the D of defensemen in their peak years.

    Which is what trading Klefbom or Nurse would do over the next three years.

  28. godot10 says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Or would the NHL restructure the divisions until the Border Opens – do a 7 team Canadian Division that would just play in-division games in Canada?

    Playoffs in Vegas after the 1st or 2nd round?

    Somebody might have suggested that already.

  29. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

    When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade.This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

    Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in.I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

    Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim.The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

    The guy you are getting back for Nurse won’t be playing for free! You would be downgrading you D with the possible hope of improving your forward group. With the trade record of this team I can’t possibly see how this could go wrong. This best case scenario is short term gain for long term pain of mediocrity. If we make the right moves we can have nice things. After we move Nurse who would be your next player we can’t afford. What you propose is a very slippery slope. The memory of the Gretzky trade ring a bell with you. There were fans at the time that were on board with that move too.

  30. godot10 says:

    I hope the Oilers choose to be the visiting team in their exhibition game against Calgary to get used to the visiting team bench at Rogers Place.

  31. dustrock says:

    godot10:
    I hope the Oilers choose to be the visiting team in their exhibition game against Calgary to get used to the visiting team bench at Rogers Place.

    Absolutely.

  32. meanashell11 says:

    godot10: High end 3rd line centres are availabe as UFA’s or salary cap dumps every year.One doesn’t have to trade an in-their-prime-physical-minute-munching-shutdown-D-who-is-and-elite-skater for them.

    Ditto for for top six wingers.

    Your sense of value is way off.

    The ONLY thing that will prevent McDavid and Draisaitl from collecting mulitple Cups is repeating the mistake of gutting the D of defensemen in their peak years.

    Which is what trading Klefbom or Nurse would do over the next three years.

    Not to mention Nurse and McDavid are very close friends….. I am sure McDavid would not be happy.

  33. Harpers Hair says:

    The Federal government announces it will not provide emergency funding to the CFL.

    Likely the end of the league.

  34. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    ArmchairGM: Danault can be added as a free agent. We just have to wait a year. The age difference makes that a bad trade anyhow, unless the “2nd asset” was worth as much as the 1st.

    Just because he’s up for UFA status doesn’t mean he’s going to actually reach it. Can other teams just add Nuge as a UFA then, too? Because I’d wager it’s more likely he goes UFA than Danault. He and Gallagher make for killer top line that is the foundation for a shutdown+outscoring unit the likes of which forms a STRONG base for a contending team.

    This isn’t even to touch on the suggestion that they’d trade him, either, because I think that’s even less likely. However, it seems quite clear to me that OP is using Danault as an example of the level of “3C we’d get in exchange for Nurse” (even if I think calling Danault a 3C in ANY way is insultingly diminishing his value).

  35. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    The Federal government announces it will not provide emergency funding to the CFL.

    Likely the end of the league.

    ~ Edmonton Ex~

    Suspect feds not willing to give them $ to play.Would not be surprised if they get something to survive a sabbatical year.

  36. flyfish1168 says:

    Oskar Lindblom signs for 9 over 3 yrs. I’m thinking Ethan should not cost as much. Hoping somewhere between 2- 2.5 at most.

  37. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: The guy you are getting back for Nurse won’t be playing for free!You would be downgrading you D with the possible hope of improving your forward group. With the trade record of this team I can’t possibly see how this could go wrong. This best case scenario is short term gain for long term pain of mediocrity. If we make the right moves we can have nice things. After we move Nurse who would be your next player we can’t afford. What you propose is a very slippery slope. The memory of the Gretzky trade ring a bell with you. There were fans at the time that were on board with that move too.

    Potentially downgrading at D to potentially upgrade at another position.

    That is how trades go sometimes and how balance can be created.

    The Oilers have a wealth of potential developing on the left defence front and very little potential developing at the top 6 winger and 3C spot (positions the host has targeted as core positions, including the 3C).

    Again, the key here is the development of that potential and where they are in relation to Nurse at the time a trade may make sense. Right now, not even close and the trade is a non-starter. They may be in a different position in a year – we just don’t know but its a possibility.

    This isn’t about just “cap space” but about filling roster holes with that cap space.

    Again, I am NOT proposing that they trade Nurse but I’m not discounting it as a potential option at a time in the future.

    That’s great that Nurse and McDavid are friends – maybe McDavid can talk to his friend about not digging in so hard on every contract. If Nurse wants $7M plus going forward, that’s a problem for the organization’s ability to win championships.

  38. flyfish1168 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Yes, the purpose is to prosper and not just survive – we are in the cap world and sometimes sacrifices need to be made in order to prosper as a key to prospering is to have young players on ELCs and cheap second contracts providing value for their cap hit – there are potential options for that on left D.

    When you say “moving better players” you are discounting the return for Nurse – this isn’t a Petry for a 2nd type trade.This is a trade for value and to fill another hole.

    Darnell Nurse could bring back a high end 3C or top 6 winger and the increase at the position might be greater than the loss at 2LD given the options to fill in.I’m not saying that there wouldn’t be a loss to the defence but, there are potential options to fill in adequately at 2LD and the drop-off there being less than the upgrade at the other position.

    Of course, as I said, a ton depends on the development of the youth on the left side in the interim.The drop off may be too large or, perhaps, it won’t be.

    Darnell is a core player and the only D-man we have that will fight and keep the other team honest. I see us making trades of other players to fit Darnell in. You can’t keep trading these guys they don’t grow on trees. Darnell brings will also need to work within the budget if he wants to help the team stay competitive.

  39. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Klefbom is the one I move if I’m picking between the two. Probably a year and a half to two years from now and he’s the one I try to use to fill those holes.

  40. Harpers Hair says:

    N64: ~ Edmonton Ex~

    Suspect feds not willing to give them $ to play.Would not be surprised if they get something tosurvive a sabbatical year.

    Don’t think they can survive a sabbatical year.

    Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver were already barely hanging on and Edmonton lost more than $1 million and now face a mass exodus of pissed off season ticket holders.

    I would imagine many corporate sponsors will jump ship and TSN has been hung out to dry.

    Many of the players will not return after missing a year of compensation so, for the tams remaining it will be like starting a new league.

    The owner of the BC Lions has already says he’s out if there is no season this year.

    Others will follow.

  41. ArmchairGM says:

    Darnell Nurse does not have to be trade because cap. Not now, not in a year, not in 2 years. That’s a fallacious argument altogether.

  42. Justthestatsman says:

    Harpers Hair: Don’t think they can survive a sabbatical year.

    Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver were already barely hanging on and Edmonton lost more than $1 million and now face a mass exodus of pissed off season ticket holders.

    I would imagine many corporate sponsors will jump ship and TSN has been hung out to dry.

    Many of the players will not return after missing a year of compensation so, for the tams remaining it will be like starting a new league.

    The owner of the BC Lions has already says he’s out if there is no season this year.

    Others will follow.

    My understanding of this is that the Minister of Heritage indicated in the House of Commons today that Sport Canada would not provide funding for the CFL. The funding request from the CFL had been made to a different area of the federal government. Obviously, the answer could still be ‘no’, but it’s not quite dead yet.

    In regards to the EE Football team finances, apparently $950K of the $1.1MM loss was money sent to keep Montreal afloat. Not good for the league, but good for EE that they had the ability to do that. Not sure how much other teams may have kicked in.

  43. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Don’t think they can survive a sabbatical year.

    Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver were already barely hanging on and Edmonton lost more than $1 million and now face a mass exodus of pissed off season ticket holders.

    I would imagine many corporate sponsors will jump ship and TSN has been hung out to dry.

    Many of the players will not return after missing a year of compensation so, for the tams remaining it will be like starting a new league.

    The owner of the BC Lions has already says he’s out if there is no season this year.

    Others will follow.

    All this pissed off fans stuff is just noise
    Just like Kaepernick
    the anthem protests
    And the team formerly known as Redskins
    Peoples attention spans to these things is so incredibly short

    This fall is going to be rough
    Any sort of live sport will blow away all tv ratings and no one will care what a team name is, except for a tiny handful of bitter old farts

  44. Reja says:

    leadfarmer: All this pissed off fans stuffis just noise
    Just like Kaepernickthe anthem protests
    And the team formerly known as Redskins
    Peoples attention spans to these things is so incredibly short

    This fall is going to be rough
    Any sort of live sport will blow away all tv ratings and no one will care what a team name is, except for a tiny handful of bitter old farts

    The Eskimos will lose 20% of their fan base if not more if the league even returns.

  45. leadfarmer says:

    Reja,

    For a week or two

  46. leadfarmer says:

    Reja: The Eskimos will lose 20% of their fan base if not more if the league even returns.

    The old wet fart protests hardly make a meaningful dent
    NFL ratings went up last year

    Now The draft ratings exploded this year 40%
    EPL broke records as soon as they went live and immediately had 3 of 10 most games by end of June

    Anyone that can produce live content is going to win

  47. Reja says:

    leadfarmer:
    Reja,

    For a week or two

    Will see with the renewing of season tickets, I don’t think there’ll be a problem with social distancing.

  48. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: All this pissed off fans stuffis just noise
    Just like Kaepernickthe anthem protests
    And the team formerly known as Redskins
    Peoples attention spans to these things is so incredibly short

    This fall is going to be rough
    Any sort of live sport will blow away all tv ratings and no one will care what a team name is, except for a tiny handful of bitter old farts

    Conflating the NFL to the CFL is nonsense.

    The CFL operates on very small budgets and has zero margin for error and I don’t think the CFL will be blowing away any TV ratings when they aren’t playing games.

  49. Harpers Hair says:

    Reja: Will see with the renewing of season tickets, I don’t think there’ll be a problem with social distancing.

    The EE attendance has been declining for years and relies almost entirely on season ticket holders to be profitable.

    Add the $1M+ cost of rebranding to the decline in seasons tickets and they’ll be on shaky ground.

  50. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: Conflating the NFL to the CFL is nonsense.

    The CFL operates on very small budgets and has zero margin for error and I don’t think the CFL will be blowing away any TV ratings when they aren’t playing games.

    The stadiums are built
    There’s no shortage of players that are willing to play for next to nothing
    2 of the hardest things to do are set
    Even if pandemic causes a collapse only a matter of time before someone puts it back together

  51. Reja says:

    leadfarmer: The old wet fart protests hardly make a meaningful dent
    NFL ratings went up last year

    Now The draft ratings exploded this year 40%
    EPL broke records as soon as they went live and immediately had 3 of 10 most games by end of June

    Anyone that can produce live content is going to win

    where are you getting your numbers from?

  52. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: The EE attendance has been declining for years and relies almost entirely on season ticket holders to be profitable.

    Add the $1M+ cost of rebranding to the decline in seasons tickets and they’ll be on shaky ground.

    1 million will be made back in merchandising as kids wear what their favorite player wears

  53. fries n gravy says:

    In case we see Malcolm Subban in net, here’s a partially remembered conversation with a scout:

    ——

    Him: (lots of stuff about projecting goalies from junior to pro)

    Me: To my eye, M Subban was a perfect example of a dominant junior goalie by athleticism. He had maximum athletic ability.

    Him: Definitely.

    Me: If he could see a puck and it was just a matter of moving his body to get in the way, he was as good as it gets.

    Him: Definitely. His career went sideways due to… (abdominal injuries?? I don’t remember the rest of what he said…)

    ——

    I don’t know where Subban’s game is at now, but while the numbers suggest he isn’t a top 60 NHL goalie, he still *does* have an X factor (pure athleticism) that’s hard to predict.

  54. Lowetide says:

    Who is Kemp?

  55. Lowetide says:

    Lowetide:
    Who is Kemp?

    OIC

  56. Ribs says:

    Lowetide:
    Who is Kemp?

    I did laugh to myself when Holland responded to the question about him. “Oh yeah! That guy! I should look in to that!” is what I heard.

  57. leadfarmer says:

    Reja: Will see with the renewing of season tickets, I don’t think there’ll be a problem with social distancing.

    Each sports and concert ticket provides 220% of its cost to the local economy (at least that’s what the owner of First Ave in Minneapolis is saying)
    So the fart in wind protest is really hurting not the person you intended

  58. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: The stadiums are built
    There’s no shortage of players that are willing to play for next to nothing
    2 of the hardest things to do are set
    Even if pandemic causes a collapse only a matter of time before someone puts it back together

    You’re displaying an appalling lack of understanding of the economics of the CFL.

    Four of the franchises were losing money BEFORE the pandemic

    Gearing back up after a collapse would be long and expensive and recruiting players with no star power who will play for “next to nothing” won’t attract fans or corporate sponsors.

    Never mind that team officials like coaches, trainers et al will have moved on.

    Of course I should defer to someone who repeatedly insisted that only one Minneapolis City Council member supported disbanding the police force.

  59. Harpers Hair says:

    Lowetide:
    Who is Kemp?

    A very distant bell.

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    leeinvan:
    This is a huge year for Bouchard, perhaps he could go to Europe?
    Also Benson, where does he go, having him as an extra forward for the entire season wont work, he like all the others need to play. If there is no AHL season, I would expect the league to make some rule changes,
    Terrible timing for some of these prospects.

    I think it will be OK for guys like Bouchard and Benson.

    They will be with the Oilers until they win the cup (or are eliminate) and then the off-season is very short.

    I think the AHL may very well be able to start in lock-step with the NHL but, if it can’t, there will have to be expanded NHL rosters (where the extras don’t count against the cap) and, of course, Benson and Bouch will be part of that. They are also both very likely either “on the team” to start with or primary injury call-up players so both will likely get in to games.

    My main concern is for guys like Lavoie, Maksimov, Rodrigue, Safin, etc……

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn:
    Flyers extend Lindblom from his ELC to a three year at $3M per.

    Since May 1 there have been very few contracts signed above those that could be buried in the minors and I think this is the first significant raise offered to a RFA with no arb rights coming out of his ELC since the virus laid waste to the idea of the cap rising annually.

    Bear would be the only Oiler who falls into that category this off season but it is something to consider as we know agents love to argue comparables and they now have one example to point to.

    https://www.tsn.ca/philadelphia-flyers-extend-oskar-lindblom-on-three-year-deal-1.1498410

    I think he is a decent comparable for Bear – not perfect. Andersson out of Calgary may be the better comparable. I see a 1-2 year deal for Bear under $2M, given circumstances.

    I would love to get him under contract for 6 plus years at under $4M but that may be very tough to fit in….

  62. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: You’re displaying an appalling lack of understanding of the economics of the CFL.

    Four of the franchises were losing money BEFORE the pandemic

    Gearing back up after a collapse would be long and expensive and recruiting players with no star power who will play for “next to nothing” won’t attract fans or corporate sponsors.

    Never mind that team officials like coaches, trainers et al will have moved on.

    Of course I should defer to someone who repeatedly insisted that only one Minneapolis City Council member supported disbanding the police force.

    The link you posted had only one man which was actually a woman, since then others came forward
    You also said that Minneapolis already defunded the police department which it hasn’t

  63. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: You’re displaying an appalling lack of understanding of the economics of the CFL.

    Four of the franchises were losing money BEFORE the pandemic

    Gearing back up after a collapse would be long and expensive and recruiting players with no star power who will play for “next to nothing” won’t attract fans or corporate sponsors.

    Never mind that team officials like coaches, trainers et al will have moved on.

    Of course I should defer to someone who repeatedly insisted that only one Minneapolis City Council member supported disbanding the police force.

    But keep farting in the wind
    You’ll be right about something one day maybe

  64. Reja says:

    leadfarmer: Each sports and concert ticket provides 220% of its cost to the local economy (at least that’s what the owner of First Ave in Minneapolis is saying)
    So the fart in wind protest is really hurting not the person you intended

    Ok. If you say so.

  65. Material Elvis says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Darnell Nurse does not have to be trade because cap. Not now, not in a year, not in 2 years. That’s a fallacious argument altogether.

    Oilers fans are so conditioned to dealing from the top of the deck (i.e. trading established vets for lesser players or prospects) that those kinds of statements are instinctive.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Oh, I see a hole…I’m going to jump in!

    1. There is going to be no significant change to how Covid is being handled in the US in the foreseeable future (several months).
    2. There will be about a 3 month lag time for effective public health management efforts to materialize in terms of significant decreases in infection rates, i.e., like a lock-down effect ca. March-June.
    3. I can’t fathom the Canadian government allowing open travel between the US and Canada until Covid is under control in the US, i.e., as per above ~ Feb-March 2021
    4. Given points 1-3 above, would the NHL consider the proposed Dec 1. 2020 start date using Canadian cities as hubs, Van, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa…

    Shoot!

    I’m not sure the hub-city model would work for regular season NHL games.

    Are people in Vancouver going to go see a Florida/LAK game?

    I don’t know the economics of what type of gate they need but I don’t think the hub city model would work – I could be way off.

  67. Material Elvis says:

    Reja: The Eskimos will lose 20% of their fan base if not more if the league even returns.

    Where are you getting your numbers from?

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Broberg’s excellent camp is a good arrow, ensuring he gets maximum games and ice time this year should be the priority. Sweden looks like the wisest choice.

    I hope the big body 4th line has playoff success because I want the Oilers to do well in the playoffs. Plus it might make Chiason easier to move in the off season to free up precious cap space, Khaira would be an affordable 4th line center, and a productive Neal who is likely to be with the team regardless next season is better productive than not.

    A misfit 3d line of Benson-Hass-Puljujarvi would interest me next season. Not sure where the goals would come from but they would draw all kinds of penalties.

    Great arrows by Broberg – I assume he stays with the team for a while (maybe the entire way if there are a few injuries), plays zero games and heads back to Skelfeeta to join them – super confidant and ready to play top 4, PP2, PK1 and 18-20 minutes per night.

    I know many think that heavy fourth line might be too slow but, at the same time, I think they can be a solid playoff line that can saw off the opposition and pot the odd goal. If that line can pot the odd goal and all three do what they do on their relative special teams, that’s a boon for the team.

  69. flyfish1168 says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Klefbom is the one I move if I’m picking between the two. Probably a year and a half to two years from now and he’s the one I try to use to fill those holes.

    I can see Holland moving out Kassian, Chaisson and Larsson before Oscar or Darnell

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Jesse doesn’t want to play for the Oilers that’s why he’s playing in some 6th rate league. Jesse saying you never know was because his agent after taking a couple of pokes to the ribs by someone smarter then him told him his value will go up with other teams.

    SHL camps are starting up in a a week and, given that league starts up about 2 weeks before Liiga, I would anticipate that Liiga camps open up in about 3 weeks.

    Last I read, about two weeks ago, he hadn’t had any talks about re-signing with Karpat and he’s also said he does not want to go to the KHL (likely because it precludes an NHL signing during the term).

    I don’t know what is in the youngster’s head but indications are he is still focussed on playing in the NHL and, as he develops as a player and a person, he may decide to give this Oilers thing a shot.

    He very well may not of course.

    We wait!

  71. leadfarmer says:

    Material Elvis: Where are you getting your numbers from?

    The isle of make belief
    These identity things just don’t have the attention span that people think they have

  72. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Darnell Nurse does not have to be trade because cap. Not now, not in a year, not in 2 years. That’s a fallacious argument altogether.

    I never said he had to be traded for the cap.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ribs: I did laugh to myself when Holland responded to the question about him. “Oh yeah! That guy! I should look in to that!” is what I heard.

    I actually take credit for the question – I reached out to Nugent Bowman a week ago or so and suggested that next time he talks to Holland he asks about Kemp and Yale not playing – DNB said good idea and, boom, there it was.

  74. Reja says:

    Material Elvis: Where are you getting your numbers from?

    Being as of now that people are still allowed to have opinions this is my prediction after networking with old useless fart CFL followers. Let’s check back in a year and see what the decline is.

  75. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure the hub-city model would work for regular season NHL games.

    Are people in Vancouver going to go see a Florida/LAK game?

    I don’t know the economics of what type of gate they need but I don’t think the hub city model would work – I could be way off.

    Oh to clarify
    I don’t expect fans in buildings next season either

    Do others think that by Dec 1 everything will be back to normal and there will be 17,000 plus people jammed indoors?

    Generally curious – is that what people are thinking is going to happen??

  76. OriginalPouzar says:

    There is a large ocean between where we are now and normal.

    With zero fans in the stands, I don’t think the NHL starts.

  77. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I actually take credit for the question – I reached out to Nugent Bowman a week ago or so and suggested that next time he talks to Holland he asks about Kemp and Yale not playing – DNB said good idea and, boom, there it was.

    Gold Star.

    Goes right up on your wall beside the Law Degree.

  78. Harpers Hair says:

    Seattle naming its team name tomorrow.

    Release the Kraken.

  79. defmn says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Oh to clarify
    I don’t expect fans in buildings next season either

    Do others think that by Dec 1 everything will be back to normal and there will be 17,000 plus people jammed indoors?

    Generally curious – is that what people are thinking is going to happen??

    No idea how it will play out but I think there are more and more people thinking about the economic cost of current policy and wondering how long it can continue.

    People are incredibly adaptable – even to life in an epidemic. At a certain point it simply becomes the way life is and another risk factor.

    That might not be a rationale response but we are not exclusively rationale actors.

    Apropos to nothing other than anecdotal observation.

    There was a huge event in Tulsa, Oklahoma a month or so ago which precipitated predictions of total disaster. Checking on numbers of infections and deaths since it took place you can see a very small uptick in infections but the state is still only 28th out of 50 states in spite of cramming large numbers of people into an arena.

    And before I get yelled at, yes, I know the arena was not completely full but it was pretty full and, no, I don’t think it was particularly smart to go there.

    That said people who make their living performing before large crowds are going to notice these things.

    ***** This post is for informational purposes only and does not reflect the editorial position of this poster. *****

  80. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    There is a large ocean between where we are now and normal.

    With zero fans in the stands, I don’t think the NHL starts.

    I think they do.

    4 divisions. division only play. one an all-Canadian division. hub city for the final four. all on TV.

  81. jp says:

    Doug McLachlan:
    Playoffs in Vegas after the 1st or 2nd round?

    lol

  82. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Holland’s Media Avail:

    Thank you, lots of good stuff in there!

  83. jp says:

    flyfish1168:
    Oskar Lindblom signs for 9 over 3 yrs. I’m thinking Ethan should not cost as much.

    Why?

  84. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: No idea how it will play out but I think there are more and more people thinking about the economic cost of current policy and wondering how long it can continue.

    People are incredibly adaptable – even to life in an epidemic. At a certain point it simply becomes the way life is and another risk factor.

    That might not be a rationale response but we are not exclusively rationale actors.

    Apropos to nothing other than anecdotal observation.

    There was a huge event in Tulsa, Oklahoma a month or so ago which precipitated predictions of total disaster. Checking on numbers of infections and deaths since it took place you can see a very small uptick in infections but the state is still only 28th out of 50 states in spite of cramming large numbers of people into an arena.

    And before I get yelled at, yes, I know the arena was not completely full but it was pretty full and, no, I don’t think it was particularly smart to go there.

    That said people who make their living performing before large crowds are going to notice these things.

    ***** This post is for informational purposes only and does not reflect the editorial position of this poster. *****

    Tip Toes Through the Tulips….

  85. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Tip Toes Through the Tulips….

    Or the gopher holes.

  86. Harpers Hair says:

    I would guess Seattle Sockeyes:

    https://twitter.com/NHLSeattle_/status/1286088793787777024?s=20

    Or maybe Rain City Bitch Pigeons.

  87. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair:
    I would guess Seattle Sockeyes:

    https://twitter.com/NHLSeattle_/status/1286088793787777024?s=20

    Or maybe Rain City Bitch Pigeons.

    The Seattle Riot?

  88. jp says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Klefbom is the one I move if I’m picking between the two. Probably a year and a half to two years from now and he’s the one I try to use to fill those holes.

    I just can’t see a way to trade Klefbom for anything that’s better value for money that he is. He may not be re-signed once he reaches UFA, but have a hard time seeing a way to “win” a Klefbom trade that isn’t for futures.

  89. Harpers Hair says:

    BC CMO Bonnie Henry has suggested provincial residents utilize glory holes to ensure safe sex is being practised during the pandemic (no, I’m not making this up).

    Today a web porn company has offered to provide $200,000 to help establish such holes.

    https://twitter.com/bethanylindsay/status/1286062720031363077?s=20

    Strange times we live in.

  90. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: The Seattle Riot?

    I think Portland has already trademarked that name.

  91. jp says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Rain City Bitch Pigeons.

    defmn:
    The Seattle Riot?

    Both quality suggestions, truly 🙂

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lineups for tonight’s scrimmage.

    As per the tweet – it won’t be streamed live but there will be lots of highlights posted.

    Saturday’s 1pm scrimmage, the Colby Cave Game, will be streamed I believe:

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1286117338568208384

  93. pts2pndr says:

    OriginalPouzar: Potentially downgrading at D to potentially upgrade at another position.

    That is how trades go sometimes and how balance can be created.

    The Oilers have a wealth of potential developing on the left defence front and very little potential developing at the top 6 winger and 3C spot (positions the host has targeted as core positions, including the 3C).

    Again, the key here is the development of that potential and where they are in relation to Nurse at the time a trade may make sense.Right now, not even close and the trade is a non-starter.They may be in a different position in a year – we just don’t know but its a possibility.

    This isn’t about just “cap space” but about filling roster holes with that cap space.

    Again, I am NOT proposing that they trade Nurse but I’m not discounting it as a potential option at a time in the future.

    That’s great that Nurse and McDavid are friends – maybe McDavid can talk to his friend about not digging in so hard on every contract. If Nurse wants $7M plus going forward, that’s a problem for the organization’s ability to win championships.

    There is no way if you trade Nurse that you are potentially downgrading your D. You are definitely downgrading your D to potentially upgrade your forward group. Nurse has shown to be the complete package and Jones should not be used in the same conversation. You even admitted a downgrade in quality when trading him and now you have the audacity to use potentially down grade the D. Trading Nurse may be the easy way but it does not make it rational or the right thing to do. I did not bring the friendship thing into the conversation. The mesh of personalities does however enter into building the team mentality. My argument is quite simply you do not make your team better by weakening your D to potentially improve you offence.

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Deciphering:

    Team White:

    Ennis-Draisaitl-Yamamoto

    AA-Sheahan-Archibald

    Nygard-Haas-Russell

    Klefbom-Larsson

    Lagesson/Jones

    Broberg

    Smith

    Wells

    (I’m assuming Ennis and AA are where they are listed above)

    Team Blue:

    RNH-McDavid-Kassian
    Neal-Khaira-Chiasson
    Benson-McLeod-Marody

    Nurse-Bear
    Russell-Benning
    Bouchard

    Koskinen
    Skinner

  95. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Seeing as half the players plus on CFL teams are not Canadian, not sure why there would be fuss about no government money to subsidize those players

    – 1MM to make a new logo, and slap it on jersey’s is crazy talk. You could design an amazing logo for a few thousand. They have this called the interent, and web design and stuff.

    – Belair and Boston Pizza saying change the name matters most.

    – Only a loser cancels their tickets because of a name change of their team. The NASCAR president essentially said the same thing, alluding to some people being upset about banning the Confed Flag, but those people are losers and not welcome, and get with the times and deal with it (he didn’t actually say they are losers, but they are).

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: There is no way if you trade Nurse that you are potentially downgrading your D. You are definitely downgrading your D to potentially upgrade your forward group. Nurse has shown to be the complete package and Jones should not be used in the same conversation. You even admitted a downgrade in quality when trading him and now you have the audacity to use potentially down grade the D. Trading Nurse may be the easy way but it does not make it rational or the right thing to do. I did not bring the friendship thing into the conversation. The mesh of personalities does however enter into building the team mentality. My argument is quite simply you do not make your team betterbyweakening your D to potentially improve you offence.

    Again, and for the last time, the potential for making this type of move depends on where the development youngsters are after another year. You say Jones should not be used in the same conversation but you don’t know where he may be next year. I would think you would have said the same thing about Ethan Bear one year ago.

    The upgrade at the forward position may be greater than the downgrade at defence – if not the move isn’t contemplated.

    I never ever once said the move could or should be contemplated based off current player abilities.

    A small weakening of the D for a large improvement of the forwards could/would/should improve the team.

    Of course, we don’t know what that drop-off would be because this potential is a year away.

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Seeing as half the players plus on CFL teams are not Canadian, not sure why there would be fuss about no government money to subsidize those players

    – 1MM to make a new logo, and slap it on jersey’s is crazy talk.100K max

    – Belair and Boston Pizza saying change the name matters most.

    – Only a loser cancels their tickets because of a name change of their team.The NASCAR president essentially said the same thing, alluding to some people being upset about banning the Confed Flag, but those people are losers and not welcome, and get with the times and deal with it (he didn’t actually say they are losers, but they are).

    Unfortunately the team does NOT agree with you.

    The cost will be at least $1 million, maybe much more.

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/jones-price-of-edmonton-eskimos-name-change-would-be-sky-high

  98. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: Unfortunately the team does NOT agree with you.

    The cost will be at least $E1 million, maybe much more.

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/jones-price-of-edmonton-eskimos-name-change-would-be-sky-high

    How naive of you.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    They are piping in crowd noise for the scrimmage – will be interesting to see (hear) the highlights.

    Gully and Wiseman serving as refs – Gully my call lots of PIMs to get his boys some work (although PP1 is split between the two teams).

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    “Crowds” chanting at NBA exhibition games:

    https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1286119059847655425

  101. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Again, and for the last time, the potential for making this type of move depends on where the development youngsters are after another year. You say Jones should not be used in the same conversation but you don’t know where he may be next year.I would think you would have said the same thing about Ethan Bear one year ago.

    The upgrade at the forward position may be greater than the downgrade at defence – if not the move isn’t contemplated.

    I never ever once said the move could or should be contemplated based off current player abilities.

    A small weakening of the D for a large improvement of the forwards could/would/should improve the team.

    Of course, we don’t know what that drop-off would be because this potential is a year away.

    Contending teams have a core of players from 25-29. Trading Nurse, just as he is entering his prime for inexperienced D still under 200 games is just plain nuts. Doing things like that is the primary cause fo the decade plus of darkness. Ditto Klefbom.

    Elite players have a slightly longer window.

    It is Nurse and Klefbom or bust for the next three years. You cannot bet on Broberg being Heiskanen-lite.

  102. Todd Macallan says:

    OriginalPouzar: I actually take credit for the question – I reached out to Nugent Bowman a week ago or so and suggested that next time he talks to Holland he asks about Kemp and Yale not playing – DNB said good idea and, boom, there it was.

    Right on. I was impressed that DNB asked such a specific question on a lesser known prospect.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    From the early tweets, sounds like scrimmage is quite intense – hard work in all zones and physical.

  104. tileguy says:

    defmn,

    I can see arenas running at 15-25% capacity (3-5000 fans) with ticket prices between $200 and $2000 each. Beer and a hotdog $50.

  105. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    What is that line at the top of the circles?

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Black aces make it 2-0 (Marody to Benson):

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1286127087024144384

    That was actually a really solid battle win behind the net by Marody – couldn’t tell who the d-man was though.

  107. tileguy says:

    That goal was scored on Smith and looked weak.

  108. Scungilli Slushy says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Darnell Nurse does not have to be trade because cap. Not now, not in a year, not in 2 years. That’s a fallacious argument altogether.

    Also is Broberg competing for Nurse’s spot?

    Nobody is currently.

    No other D can skate and fight well if necessary and play top 4.

    Not to mention age.

  109. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Black aces make it 2-0 (Marody to Benson):

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1286127087024144384

    Smith looks like he is losing the starting job.

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Reja: The Eskimos will lose 20% of their fan base if not more if the league even returns.

    Are those 20% fans?

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Contending teams have a core of players from 25-29.Trading Nurse, just as he is entering his prime for inexperienced D still under 200 games is just plain nuts.Doing things like that is the primary cause fo the decade plus of darkness.Ditto Klefbom.

    Elite players have a slightly longer window.

    It is Nurse and Klefbom or bust for the next three years.You cannot bet on Broberg being Heiskanen-lite.

    Its not a decade of darkness move if the player is trade for value to markedly improve at another position – an improvement that is greater than the downtick at the position traded away.

    This isn’t Petry for two (non-first round) picks. This is a Nurse, one year away from UFA status and potentially looking for $7 for a Danault-value forward and another lower asset – just as an example. If Jones has a Bear like “pop”, adding that forward makes the team a contener.

    Of course, that may not be the case, it depends on the progression of other players – as has been said upteen times.

  112. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Thanks HH fpr giving more free time.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    A Chiasson slapper makes it 3-0 – Mike Smith getting lit up….

  114. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Harpers Hair: Unfortunately the team does NOT agree with you.

    The cost will be at least $1 million, maybe much more.

    https://edmontonsun.com/sports/football/cfl/edmonton-eskimos/jones-price-of-edmonton-eskimos-name-change-would-be-sky-high

    – That’s a horsey sh$t joke of an article disguised behind a “I want to keep the Eskimos “

    – Uniforms jersey are bought each year. Stitching. The guy should should be embarrassed

    – I embarrassed for you. It’s a logo change. some losers aren’t going to renew. Some loser company that panders to losers will be replaced by other sponsors. That guy and the author are awful. The name change and logo is a fraction of what the sponsors who pay.

    – But you think the name change is dumb so you and the author and others can’t say that so you make up nonesense to hide behind to pretend to sound reasonable

    – All my buddies a few years ago when these talks of name changes said Eskimos for sure done. Times change. 1mm : piss off. The CFL has been dying for years anyways.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Chiasson goal was #4 on Smith – a slapper from in close.

    Goal #3 was a mid-range wrister from Bear.

    4-0

  116. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Reid Wilkins, Marody goes bar down on Smith for the 5-0 lead.

  117. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    defmn: No idea how it will play out but I think there are more and more people thinking about the economic cost of current policy and wondering how long it can continue.

    People are incredibly adaptable – even to life in an epidemic. At a certain point it simply becomes the way life is and another risk factor.

    That might not be a rationale response but we are not exclusively rationale actors.

    Apropos to nothing other than anecdotal observation.

    There was a huge event in Tulsa, Oklahoma a month or so ago which precipitated predictions of total disaster. Checking on numbers of infections and deaths since it took place you can see a very small uptick in infections but the state is still only 28th out of 50 states in spite of cramming large numbers of people into an arena.

    And before I get yelled at, yes, I know the arena was not completely full but it was pretty full and, no, I don’t think it was particularly smart to go there.

    That said people who make their living performing before large crowds are going to notice these things.

    ***** This post is for informational purposes only and does not reflect the editorial position of this poster. *****

    Thanks. I think the preliminary results of the changes in restrictions indicate some restrictions will need to be re-instated…eventually some sort of middle ground should develop as an interim solution. Probably largely dependent on what can be generated from TV revenue….

  118. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    godot10: I think they do.

    4 divisions.division only play.one an all-Canadian division.hub city for the final four.all on TV.

    Seems a reasonable expectation

  119. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Are those 20% fans?

    Well they’d certainly qualify as “former fans”.

  120. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: That’s great that Nurse and McDavid are friends – maybe McDavid can talk to his friend about not digging in so hard on every contract.

    Pretty sure that happened with Nurse’s extension.

  121. Side says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – That’s a horsey sh$t joke of an article disguised behind a “I want to keep the Eskimos “

    – Uniforms jersey are bought each year. Stitching. The guy should should be embarrassed

    – I embarrassed for you. It’s a logo change. some losers aren’t going to renew. Some loser company that panders to losers will be replaced by other sponsors. That guy and the author are awful. The name change and logo is a fraction of what the sponsors who pay.

    – But you think the name change is dumb so you and the author and others can’t say that so you make up nonesense to hide behind to pretend to sound reasonable

    – All my buddies a few years ago when these talks of name changes said Eskimos for sure done. Times change. 1mm : piss off.The CFL has been dying for years anyways.

    People and companies, when faced with a financial burden that they don’t want to pay, will often exaggerate the financial impact on them in the hopes of:

    -getting out of having to pay it

    Or

    -convince some sucker (the government, sponsors, the public, or HH) to alleviate the burden for them.

    Waitaminute.., from the article HH shared:

    “Agrios basically said if the sponsors want the name change, maybe they might be inspired to pay for it.”

    Hmm….

  122. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    tileguy:
    defmn,

    I can see arenas running at 15-25% capacity (3-5000 fans) with ticket prices between $200 and $2000 each. Beer and a hotdog $50.

    Quite plausible….

  123. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    As per Reid Wilkins, Marody goes bar down on Smith for the 5-0 lead.

    Ugh, I wanted Mikko to win the net, but not this way.

  124. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Harpers Hair,

    defmn,

    I’m hoping they choose Seattle Seamen.

  125. tileguy says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Just spitballing numbers here but an average gate of 20000 fans at $200 = $4M.
    3000 fans at an average ticket price of $800 = $2.5M, reasonably close. Perhaps extra TV dollars will close the gap.

  126. Munny says:

    tileguy:
    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Just spitballing numbers here but an average gate of 20000 fans at $200 = $4M.
    3000 fans at an average ticket price of $800 = $2.5M, reasonably close. Perhaps extra TV dollars will close the gap.

    Luxury boxes at full price, half capacity, masks required.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: Pretty sure that happened with Nurse’s extension.

    The $2M per year raise that takes him straight to UFA without buying any UFA years?

    That contract was to be able to keep Nurse on the team for the next few years but it was also in the name of Nurse expecting a larger pay down 2 years later.

  128. defmn says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    46m
    Team Blue beats Team White 7-2. McDavid was dominant. Smith didn’t get much help in the White net.

  129. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: The $2M per year raise that takes him straight to UFA without buying any UFA years?

    That contract was to be able to keep Nurse on the team for the next few years but it was also in the name of Nurse expecting a larger pay down 2 years later.

    Of course he’ll be getting a raise at that point. I can’t believe you’d balk at giving him $7M as UFA. (he makes $5.6M for the next 2 yrs btw).

  130. jp says:

    defmn: No idea how it will play out but I think there are more and more people thinking about the economic cost of current policy and wondering how long it can continue.
    People are incredibly adaptable – even to life in an epidemic. At a certain point it simply becomes the way life is and another risk factor.
    That might not be a rationale response but we are not exclusively rationale actors.
    Apropos to nothing other than anecdotal observation.
    There was a huge event in Tulsa, Oklahoma a month or so ago which precipitated predictions of total disaster. Checking on numbers of infections and deaths since it took place you can see a very small uptick in infections but the state is still only 28th out of 50 states in spite of cramming large numbers of people into an arena.
    And before I get yelled at, yes, I know the arena was not completely full but it was pretty full and, no, I don’t think it was particularly smart to go there.
    That said people who make their living performing before large crowds are going to notice these things.
    ***** This post is for informational purposes only and does not reflect the editorial position of this poster. *****

    I agree with most of this. Especially the people are adaptable/not exclusively rational stuff. Masks would be a good idea though.

  131. defmn says:

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    45m
    Chiasson and RNH with two apiece in a 7-2 win. McDavid was dominant, Bear very good. McLeod looks like a fine young player to me.

  132. Munny says:

    You know if AA could only find a home on 97’s line, it sure would solve a lotta freakin problems.

  133. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – Seeing as half the players plus on CFL teams are not Canadian, not sure why there would be fuss about no government money to subsidize those players

    – 1MM to make a new logo, and slap it on jersey’s is crazy talk.You could design an amazing logo for a few thousand.They have this called the interent, and web design and stuff.

    – Belair and Boston Pizza saying change the name matters most.

    – Only a loser cancels their tickets because of a name change of their team.The NASCAR president essentially said the same thing, alluding to some people being upset about banning the Confed Flag, but those people are losers and not welcome, and get with the times and deal with it (he didn’t actually say they are losers, but they are).

    don’t think there will be more than a handful of ticket cancellations because of the name change. The Oilers could change their name to the Eco Warriors and not a single soul would cancel their tickets. (Sorry Edmonton that name is going to Seattle) However, I think interest in the CFL has been declining for years and the play stoppage could be very very harmful.

  134. striker says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Only a loser cancels their tickets because of a name change of their team. The NASCAR president essentially said the same thing, alluding to some people being upset about banning the Confed Flag, but those people are losers and not welcome, and get with the times and deal with it (he didn’t actually say they are losers, but they are).

    😂 Solid post

  135. striker says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – But you think the name change is dumb so you and the author and others can’t say that so you make up nonesense to hide behind to pretend to sound reasonable

    Cut to the quick

  136. Munny says:

    All I really want from AA this playoffs is a Samsonov-level performance… Sixth in team-scoring, but useful and some timely goals.

    Is that too much to ask?

    Sure seems like a lot from where he’s sitting right now. Lookin more like Ethan Moreau.

    The guy we’re missing up front though is Peca. I can live without The Pronghorn. This D as a whole has better depth and a wider range of tools than the Rake’s. But man, we could use one Michael Peca on this team to be a true contender.

    3C PO’ed.

  137. Munny says:

    I wonder if Chase & Neal & JJ should be the real 3rd line?

    I’d test the matchups and see.

  138. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Black aces make it 2-0 (Marody to Benson):

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1286127087024144384

    That was actually a really solid battle win behind the net by Marody – couldn’t tell who the d-man was though.

    That was Larsson.

  139. Munny says:

    Permanent business closures at 55 percent of all closures in the US. Stunning.

    Highest rate of permanent closures: Las Vegas.

    Highest number of total closures: Los Angeles.
    ______

    Per Yelp data.

  140. Lowetide says:

    New from The Athletic:Imagining the city of Edmonton with the Oilers in a deep playoff run

    https://theathletic.com/1943093/2020/07/23/lowetide-imagining-the-city-of-edmonton-with-the-oilers-in-a-deep-playoff-run/

  141. Ribs says:

    OriginalPouzar: I actually take credit for the question – I reached out to Nugent Bowman a week ago or so and suggested that next time he talks to Holland he asks about Kemp and Yale not playing – DNB said good idea and, boom, there it was.

    Nice!

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