Monday, Monday (Bah-Da, Ba-Da-Da-Da)

The NHL is under the bubble and the Edmonton Oilers have three goalies, 10 defensemen and 18 forwards on the roster. The men who could sit Game 1 include Caleb Jones, Evan Bouchard, Joakim Nygard and Gaetan Haas.

THE ATHLETIC!

Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. I am proud to be part of The Athletic. Here are the most recent Oilers stories.

THE ROSTER

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—Connor McDavid—Zack Kassian: 71 goals during the regular season from this trio, Kassian had 13 in the first half, Nuge scoring 15 in the final 30 games. McDavid is healthy, rested and determined.

Tyler Ennis—Leon Draisaitl—Kailer Yamamoto: 70 goals during the regular season, Draisaitl went 21-28-49 in the final 30 games. Yamamoto had 11 goals in 27 games and Ennis scored 10 goals in his first 40 games. If he can fill the LW slot successfully, Holland will have delivered in a big way at the deadline.

Andreas Athanasiou—Riley Sheahan—Josh Archibald: 31 goals from the group, Athanasiou could really help by scoring goals against the soft parade.

James Neal—Jujhar Khaira—Alex Chiasson: 36 goals from the trio, more than half from Neal, who looks faster and was getting to lots of plays in the scrimmage (I know, it was a scrimmage).

Joakim Nygard—Gaetan Haas—Patrick Russell: The first trio of non-starters, I expect someone from this line will play in the Chicago series. Nygard’s speed is useful on offense and defense, Haas has great utility and Russell is a man who slows the game with forechecking and rugged play.

Tyler Benson—Ryan McLeodCooper Marody: The long shot pile but you never know.

Oscar Klefbom—Adam Larsson: Oscar Klefbom is the best defenseman on the team, and Larsson is a perfect fit when healthy. If this pairing is effective against Chicago, the Oilers should win the series.

Darnell Nurse—Ethan Bear: This pairing will need to perform at a high level, there will be minutes versus Patrick Kane and that could be the game story more than once.

Kris Russell—Matt Benning: Third pairing has plenty of experience and have played together often. Like the Smith decision in net, Russell over Jones may be a case of coach giving the veteran first chance to succeed.

Caleb Jones—Evan Bouchard: Each man begins the playoffs on the outside of a roster spot but I don’t think that will remain the case.

Philip BrobergWilliam Lagesson: Broberg looked good in scrimmage and he’s still here (good signs). Lagesson remains in the bubble but at this point appears to be the last chance Texaco on defense.

Mike Smith (Mikko Koskinen) (Stuart Skinner) Still waiting for a confirmation on the starter, I think both men see action against the Hawks.

MARATHON VERSUS SPRINT

The headlines through camp surrounded young Philip Broberg and his outstanding speed, with a secondary item that details Evan Bouchard’s less spectacular 10 days. I find the entire storyline baffling. Why? These two men are never going to apply for the same roster spot. Broberg will hopefully grow into a top-4 defenseman who plays big minutes on the left side and Bouchard has the same goal on the right side. Oilers fans of sound mind and body should hope both succeed.

They are top-10 picks, Bouchard and Broberg are going to get every chance to succeed in the NHL, possibly spending time as partners. If you are passionately debating who is behind Jones, I’ll suggest it doesn’t matter. They’re both on an NHL trajectory and it is pleasing to see success for young prospects.

I don’t want to see another Alex Plante story in my lifetime.

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135 Responses to "Monday, Monday (Bah-Da, Ba-Da-Da-Da)"

  1. Ben says:

    Please check out my forthcoming paper to be published in Nature: “The Medium-Term Effects of Enforced Celibacy on Young Athletic Millionaires”. It’s essentially a mash-up of Lord of the Flies and 28 Days Later.

    Totally unrelated note: I hear Edmonton’s downtown hotels have ordered 10,000 new hand towels to service the NHL bubble. Whole lotta hand washing goin’ on, I guess!

  2. Brantford Boy says:

    I’m giddy thinking about hockey… must admit I didn’t think we’d make it this far a month ago. I just hope it’s not a Stanley Cup of attrition…

    Let’s Go Oilers!

  3. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Have men’s league tonight & Wednesday, Flames-Oilers Tuesday, game 1 Saturday. May well be sick of hockey by mid August.

    Start Koskinen! If oilers lose the series, it’ll be to goaltending. Here’s to hoping Crawford is rusty.

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  5. Jaxon says:

    I think a key to this team reaching its full potential and having a long playoff run may be capitalizing on Athanasiou, Neal, and Benson. To do so they should put each player in a position to succeed and reach their highest potential production.

    A lot of ‘ifs’ in this scenario, but here goes:

    If Athanasiou can find his scoring touch where he scored 30 goals just last year, with 2nd and 3rd line linemates (hopefully he can do it alongside McDavid); if Ennis can replace Nuge without negatively affecting the production of Draisaitl and Yamamoto (too much); and finally, if Neal and Nuge can score at their potential with Benson’s vision and passing skills on the LW, it would go a long way to having 3 productive lines. To my knowledge, Benson still hasn’t been paired with a true sniper in his pro career. Neal and Nuge could change that and unlock a great 3rd line.

    Thus, I’d love to see this lineup:
    Andreas Athanasiou—Connor McDavid—Zack Kassian
    Tyler Ennis—Leon Draisaitl—Kailer Yamamoto
    Tyler Benson—Ryan Nugent-Hopkins—James Neal
    Alex Chiasson—Jujhar Khaira—Josh Archibald or Khaira-Sheahan-Chiasson?

  6. dustrock says:

    Usually I find watching playoff hockey super stressful, not necessarily in a bad way.

    This year with the pandemic and the play-in situation, at least pre-Game 1, I feel more Zen.

    There’s only 2 things that really worry me:

    (1) Starting Smith for Game 1, Oilers losing, Hawks getting confidence, which in a short series could hurt;

    (2) McDavid 5v5 versus the Hawks this year was disappointing. Hopefully getting Nuge on that line will help.

    I realize 2017 was a long time ago but McDavid had 5 points in 7 games against the Ducks, no points in Games 6 and 7, and only 3 points 5v5.

    I don’t think the Hawks can body McDavid like the Ducks did, but if the refs swallow their whistles it’s going to be rough for #97.

  7. Silver Streak says:

    Ben:
    Please check out my forthcoming paper to be published in Nature: “The Medium-Term Effects of Enforced Celibacy on Young Athletic Millionaires”. It’s essentially a mash-up of Lord of the Flies and 28 Days Later.

    Totally unrelated note: I hear Edmonton’s downtown hotels have ordered 10,000 new hand towels to service the NHL bubble. Whole lotta hand washing goin’ on, I guess!

    Post of the day !!!

  8. jtblack says:

    5 More Sleeps.

    Cannot wait !!!!

  9. prefonmich says:

    dustrock,

    Agreed on your first worry. Smith’s fierce competitiveness can be a detriment at times. The team doesn’t need his extra energy for game 1, they will need to be calmed down and Koskinen provides that.. plus more saves. Also, it took the team some time at the start of the year to adjust to Smith’s wandering and that adjustment time in a 5 game series could cost the series.

  10. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack:
    5 More Sleeps.

    Cannot wait !!!!

    You can sleep?!

  11. ArmchairGM says:

    Does the seeming emergence of Broberg make it more likely that Holland will protect 7-3-1 in the Seahorse draft? Not that I’d expect anyone wants to lose a good young asset like Jones for nothing, but the apparent ability of Broberg to step into that role in 2021-22 mitigates the pain somewhat, doesn’t it?

    Of course, we could see Jones traded for a good young forward and that would settle the question pretty quick.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just got back from doing Ha Link Peak hike in Canmore, looking forward to hearing about Nurse and Yamamoto being full participants at practice but, that’s right, no media at practice.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Does the seeming emergence of Broberg make it more likely that Holland will protect 7-3-1 in the Seahorse draft? Not that I’d expect anyone wants to lose a good young asset like Jones for nothing, but the apparent ability of Broberg to step into that role in 2021-22 mitigates the pain somewhat, doesn’t it?

    Of course, we could see Jones traded for a good young forward and that would settle the question pretty quick.

    Has Broberg “emerged”? He hasn’t even played an NHL exhibition game let alone a regular season game. He’s excelled at camp drills and intra-squad scrimmages.

    Great arrow that he’s fit in well, adapted and looked great.

    I don’t think his play in the scrimmages has altered Holland’s thoughts on the expansion draft.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    0 positive tests in week two of camp.

    14 days, every single player (24 X 30 plus) getting tested every second day and two positive tests.

    Great job everyone!

  15. defmn says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Does the seeming emergence of Broberg make it more likely that Holland will protect 7-3-1 in the Seahorse draft? Not that I’d expect anyone wants to lose a good young asset like Jones for nothing, but the apparent ability of Broberg to step into that role in 2021-22 mitigates the pain somewhat, doesn’t it?

    Of course, we could see Jones traded for a good young forward and that would settle the question pretty quick.

    I think Broberg’s performance to date has put a smile on Holland’s face when he thinks about it for a moment before returning to the more immediate business at hand.

    I doubt it has done more than that. 😉

  16. McNuge93 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    Ha Ling Peak, short but very steep. Havent been on it since they rerouted it.

    I thought we would go with four goalies. Seems like a bit of a risk if you go on a long run and have a couple of injuries, especially with a 38 yesr old.

  17. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I don’t think his play in the scrimmages has altered Holland’s thoughts on the expansion draft.

    Whatever you have you give up the least you can. I suspect the value of D drops ahead of the expansion draft due to exposure issues, so if you move out a D for a forward I think that’s likely to be after the expansion draft.

  18. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Has Broberg “emerged”? He hasn’t even played an NHL exhibition game let alone a regular season game.He’s excelled at camp drills and intra-squad scrimmages.

    Great arrow that he’s fit in well, adapted and looked great.

    I don’t think his play in the scrimmages has altered Holland’s thoughts on the expansion draft.

    Care to re-read my actual wording instead of beating your straw man?

    Tippett is on record as saying he “belongs”, that has weight.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Coach T confirms everyone skated at practice today except for Sheahan – great to hear both Nurse and Kailer are good.

    Only line/pairing change was Haas in at Sheahan’s spot.

  20. defmn says:

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    39s
    Dave Tippett says Riley Sheahan did not practice today, after leaving scrimmage on Saturday.
    Gaetan Hass took his spot as 4th line C.

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nugent Bowman asked Tippett what his plan is for the tenders tomorrow night. He said that they’d both practice in the morning and then they’ll decide who plays – it didn’t really sound like he was planning on splitting them.

  22. defmn says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    11m
    Tippett hints the Oilers won’t have Sheahan for a day or two.

  23. defmn says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    2m
    Tippett plans to dress seven defencemen and 13 forwards for Tuesday’s exhibition game vs. CGY. Jones is the logical choice on defence. If Sheahan can’t play, Haas and Nygard are the likely forward candidates.

  24. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Coach T confirms everyone skated at practice today except for Sheahan – great to hear both Nurse and Kailer are good.

    Only line/pairing change was Haas in at Sheahan’s spot.

    Sheahan has had spurts where he looks like the 3C we need then he gets hurt or he’s playing hurt and is not effective enough to warrant that spot.

  25. Munny says:

    defmn:
    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    2m
    Tippett plans to dress seven defencemen and 13 forwards for Tuesday’s exhibition game vs. CGY. Jones is the logical choice on defence. If Sheahan can’t play, Haas and Nygard are the likely forward candidates.

    Beauty, thanks.

    Can’t really disagree with any of that.

  26. JOFA says:

    Puljujarvi communication news interesting

  27. JOFA says:

    Tip, Holland, Puljujarvi, and agent on Zoom call. Holland has had a few conversations over the last few weeks with agent.

  28. defmn says:

    JOFA:
    Tip, Holland, Puljujarvi,and agent on Zoom call. Holland has had a few conversations over the last few weeks with agent.

    Where are you hearing this?

  29. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    JOFA:
    Puljujarvi communication news interesting

    Interesting … it’s absolutely incredible! Now, who is this Puljujarvi?

  30. defmn says:

    Today, some new information came out about what exactly happened and what is next for the former Coyotes executive. First of all, Craig Morgan of AZ Coyotes Insider reported that the rumors of Chayka heading to the Buffalo Sabres are “inaccurate.” Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet writes that he thinks it could be the New Jersey Devils, or at least the ownership group that also runs the Philadelphia 76ers of the NBA and Crystal Palace of the English Premier League. Friedman notes that the position is “a major position in an organization that owns teams in more than one sport” but that he doesn’t know exactly what it would be.

    The real story may take some time to come out, but in the meantime, Friedman also reports that he believes the offer made to Taylor Hall from Arizona ownership—the first inkling of a problem between Chayka and the rest of the organization—was five years at $7.25MM per season. With so much confusion surrounding the Coyotes now, Hall’s pending free agency has become even more interesting. The playoffs could obviously be a perfect place for the former MVP to show he deserves a lot more than that, though with a flat salary cap it may be difficult for him to find a full market.

  31. JOFA says:

    defmn: Where are you hearing this?

    Holland on with Stauffer

  32. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    JOFA:
    Tip, Holland, Puljujarvi,and agent on Zoom call. Holland has had a few conversations over the last few weeks with agent.

    Dust in the wind. Broberg has a much greater chance to impact this team in the near future than Puljujarvi … just saying.

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  34. SwedishPoster says:

    defmn,

    I think it’s been quite clear from the get go that Chayka is very much a careerist, which is fine and most certainly in the business of pro sports, but you also have to be careful so you don’t burn too many bridges since it’s a pretty small community. Especially when you don’t really have any actual hard results to show for.
    He’s yet to show that he’s anything more than a verbally talented guy with a modern approach to analytics and ambition written all over his face.

  35. Reja says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Interesting … it’s absolutely incredible! Now, who is this Puljujarvi?

    I think he’s related to that fella in Arizona you know the one the one that quit on his team.

  36. defmn says:

    JOFA:

    Thanks.

  37. JOFA says:

    defmn: Thanks.

    Np. The most interesting part for me is that Tipp was involved.

  38. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Please help:

    I haven’t lived in Edmonton in years. What is the logo to the left of the Oilers logo in this image? Not Grant Mac but the other one. Thank you this is killing me!

    https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1287802183392452608/photo/1

  39. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Durag,

    Thank you.

    Also – omg.

    What happened to this beauty? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton_Oil_Kings#/media/File:Edmonton_Oil_Kings_logo.svg

    Graphic design in sports cycles between harsh 90s “extreme” angular and aggressive lines and then the vintage, timeless beauties. Would love a moratorium on harsh 90s “extreme” angular and aggressive lines.

    Anyway I have my answer. Thank you.

  40. Munny says:

    defmn: The real story may take some time to come out, but in the meantime, Friedman also reports that he believes the offer made to Taylor Hall from Arizona ownership—the first inkling of a problem between Chayka and the rest of the organization—was five years at $7.25MM per season.

    I can’t see Taylor taking that offer. But if he does, it sure bodes well for negotiations with The Nuge.

  41. Munny says:

    JOFA: Np. The most interesting part for me is that Tipp was involved.

    Interesting, but also likely a step the Oilers had to take to help mend bridges.

  42. Durag says:

    Chelios is a Dinosaur,

    It’s still there! The one you were asking about is the 3rd jersey alternate logo

  43. so polar says:

    Munny: I can’t see Taylor taking that offer.But if he does it sure bodes well for negotiations with The Nuge.

    No kidding. Iirc, we were hearing between 9.5-11 on a 6+ year deal for Hall pre-Covid. the same reduction for nuge (by %) would make his 7-8 M aav decrease to 5-6M. What a dream that’d be.

  44. Munny says:

    so polar,

    It looks like the kind of offer that would ensure Hall would test the FA waters.

    I mean if he is forced to play for less, why not find a better Cup contender. And he can see if the market can bear a better price if he can’t find such a contender. Surely there’s a team out there that would give him 1 x 9.5.

  45. ArmchairGM says:

    defmn: The real story may take some time to come out, but in the meantime, Friedman also reports that he believes the offer made to Taylor Hall from Arizona ownership—the first inkling of a problem between Chayka and the rest of the organization—was five years at $7.25MM per season.

    I’m about as anti-Hall-to-Edmonton as you can get, but I’d certainly try to clear the cap space if Hall would sign that. Nugent-Hopkins is still a higher priority, of course.

    In any case, 100% Hall doesn’t sign that offer until he’s had a chance to see what the open market has to say first. It’s honestly not an unreasonable offer given the circumstances and his performance over the past few years, but he shouldn’t sign that until after November 1st.

  46. ArmchairGM says:

    JOFA:
    Tip, Holland, Puljujarvi,and agent on Zoom call. Holland has had a few conversations over the last few weeks with agent.

    Very nice. Holland’s patience and perseverance seem to have opened the door a crack.

  47. defmn says:

    JOFA: Np. The most interesting part for me is that Tipp was involved.

    Smart, necessary and encouraging.

  48. Durag says:

    Munny:
    so polar,

    It looks like the kind of offer that would ensure Hall would test the FA waters.

    I mean if he is forced to play for less, why not find a better Cup contender.And he can see if the market can bear a better price if he can’t find such a contender.Surely there’s a team out there that would give him 1 x 9.5.

    What an awful year to be hitting free agency. I understand the logic of the 1 year deal, but with his injury history that could be a big risk.

    I don’t believe in curses, but man, Taylor Hall certainly seems to have some bad juju around his NHL career.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland confirms that he’s been in direct contract with Jesse and his agent. Great news.

  50. Brantford Boy says:

    ArmchairGM: In any case, 100% Hall doesn’t sign that offer until he’s had a chance to see

    if Peter Chiarelli is hired by Arizona…

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like Holland has talked to Lehto 2-3 times in the last few weeks and had a zoom call with Lehto, Jesse and Tippett.

  52. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Sounds like Holland has talked to Lehto 2-3 times in the last few weeks and had a zoom call with Lehto, Jesse and Tippett.

    #KennyTheGrinder

  53. godot10 says:

    Haas will have a chance to steal Sheahan’s lunch.

  54. godot10 says:

    So if the OIlers don’t qualify Athanasiou, buyout Neil, and find a way to give away Russell. #TaylorHallMoney

    I still think Hall in, Gaudreau out is what is going to happen.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Holland talking about Broberg today. Clearly he is enthused with his camp and scrimmage performance but is very clear that he believes the best place for him right now is Skelfeeta and he will be going there when the Oilers are done. Their season should finish before North America so there will be the option to bring him over to the Condors (or Oilers) at that time.

    Love all the Broberg talk – great arrows and he should head back full of confidante.

  56. defmn says:

    Daniel Nugent-Bowman
    @DNBsports
    ·
    1h
    Leon Draisaitl is the Oilers’ King Clancy Trophy nominee.

  57. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    JOFA: Np. The most interesting part for me is that Tipp was involved.

    Yes. This seems to indicate the team is “giving it their best” to mend fences and get JP over here.

  58. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10,

    I don’t see any way Holland deals 2 2nds for AA then doesn’t qualify 12-30 games later.

    Would Neal buyout/Russell dump/and say Chiasson dump not be enough? Would be close to $10M no? Man that Kassian contract sucks.

  59. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Munny: I can’t see Taylor taking that offer.But if he does, it sure bodes well for negotiations with The Nuge.

    Negotiating contracts for the next year or so is going to be very interesting.

    Isn’t it possible the cap could go DOWN…(not sure on the actual structure and set-up), but if league revenue drops this year and next year (i.e., limited attendance if at all), then don’t they have to consider scaling current contracts to a reduced CAP…just curious to those of you who know all the ins and outs of the league logistics…

  60. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    godot10,

    I don’t see any way Holland deals 2 2nds for AA then doesn’t qualify 12-30 games later.

    Would Neal buyout/Russell dump/and say Chiasson dump not be enough? Would be close to $10M no? Man that Kassian contract sucks.

    There is a good chance the Oilers don’t qualify Athanasiou if he doesn’t play well in the playoffs. A salary arbitration award is a significant threat to the OIlers cap. Even his qualifying offer, $3 million is painful.

    There will be lots of options in the UFA market, and the salary dump market. i.e. Dadanov and Hoffman.

  61. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: There is a good chance the Oilers don’t qualify Athanasiou if he doesn’t play well in the playoffs.A salary arbitration award is a significant threat to the OIlers cap.Even his qualifying offer, $3 million is painful.

    There will be lots of options in the UFA market, and the salary dump market.i.e. Dadanov and Hoffman.

    Would AA get more than $3M in arbitration? Isn’t there the potential to get 10% less than your QO in arb? Maybe a -46 season helps EDM’s case. My worry would be a 1-year deal at $3M leading him to UFA.

  62. Munny says:

    Spector’s Hawks – Oil Preview has an advanced stats section:

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stanley-cup-playoffs-qualifying-round-preview-oilers-vs-blackhawks/

    I think it was really nice of the intern to lend a hand.

  63. Munny says:

    I should note that in his 31 Thoughts, Elliotte stated the offer to Hall was the opening bid and not their final offer.

    They certainly aren’t thinking 11 million per though with that opening salvo.

  64. Harpers Hair says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Negotiating contracts for the next year or so is going to be very interesting.

    Isn’t it possible the cap could go DOWN…(not sure on the actual structure and set-up), but if league revenue drops this year and next year (i.e., limited attendance if at all), then don’t they have to consider scaling current contracts to a reduced CAP…just curious to those of you who know all the ins and outs of the league logistics…

    The new CBA extension pegs the cap for the next two seasons at its current level with escrow limited to 20%.

    This will be reviewed after that once the league assesses revenues.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    McNuge93:
    OriginalPouzar,

    Ha Ling Peak, short but very steep. Havent been on it since they rerouted it.

    I thought we would go with four goalies. Seems like a bit of a risk if you go on a long run and have a couple of injuries, especially with a 38 yesr old.

    If the OIlers are down to Dylan Wells in net, chances are they will be leaving their bubble very shortly thereafter.

  66. Munny says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Negotiating contracts for the next year or so is going to be very interesting.

    Isn’t it possible the cap could go DOWN…(not sure on the actual structure and set-up), but if league revenue drops this year and next year (i.e., limited attendance if at all), then don’t they have to consider scaling current contracts to a reduced CAP…just curious to those of you who know all the ins and outs of the league logistics…

    They’ve de-linked the cap from HRR, and have committed to a flat cap next season, no worse than a flat cap the season after, and a possible increase in year 3. Players are deferring ten percent of their salaries to a future year to help the League through this.

    I believe the cap gets re-linked to HRR once the League clears $4.8 million in rev, which was the projection for this year prior to the spread of the pandemic to N.A. Not sure if the deferral is paid back that year, can’t recall for certain.

  67. ArmchairGM says:

    godot10:
    So if the OIlers don’t qualify Athanasiou, buyout Neil, and find a way to give away Russell.#TaylorHallMoney

    If Hall’s next contract is in the range of 7.25M, which is why we’re having this conversation, there’s room for Athanasiou too. The Neal buyout clears $3.8M and moving Russell $4M, that’s $7.8M right there.

    I have zero interest in Hall at $9M+.

  68. OriginalPouzar says:

    ArmchairGM: Care to re-read my actual wording instead of beating your straw man?

    Tippett is on record as saying he “belongs”, that has weight.

    Wow, that was aggressive for some reason.

    There was no strawman to beat – you mentioned Broberg as seemingly emerged and wondered if that has altered Holland’s thinking.

    I responded that I think its a bit premature cite such emergence and that I don’t think its changed Holland’s thinking.

    Yes, Tippett praised his 19 year old prospect when asked about him.

    Holland also is on record as saying the best place for him this coming year is Skelfeeta….

  69. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    godot10,

    I don’t see any way Holland deals 2 2nds for AA then doesn’t qualify 12-30 games later.

    Would Neal buyout/Russell dump/and say Chiasson dump not be enough? Would be close to $10M no? Man that Kassian contract sucks.

    I doubt Hall gets anything close to $10M on his next deal. There simply isn’t the cap space floating around that there usually is. Arizona reportedly offered $7.25M x 5 and the only reason we’re talking about Hall today is in the offchance that he’d sign such a deal in free agency. If he wants significantly more I think (a) he’s going to be disappointed and (b) no possible way he’ll live up to the contract and (c) Edmonton won’t be his destination.

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Dust in the wind. Broberg has a much greater chance to impact this team in the near future than Puljujarvi … just saying.

    Maybe – Holland confirms that Broberg is indeed playing this coming season in Skelfeeta. We don’t know where Puljujarvi may be playing but it could be in Edmonton.

  71. Munny says:

    godot10: There is a good chance the Oilers don’t qualify Athanasiou if he doesn’t play well in the playoffs. A salary arbitration award is a significant threat to the OIlers cap. Even his qualifying offer, $3 million is painful.

    There’s decent chance he’s traded for a 2nd at the draft if he doesn’t play well this playoffs.

    Even bigger chance if Pujo makes his return (although I’ll believe it when I see it).

  72. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wow, that was aggressive for some reason.

    There was no strawman to beat – you mentioned Broberg as seemingly emerged and wondered if that has altered Holland’s thinking.

    I responded that I think its a bit premature cite such emergence and that I don’t think its changed Holland’s thinking.

    Yes, Tippett praised his 19 year old prospect when asked about him.

    Holland also is on record as saying the best place for him this coming year is Skelfeeta….

    Again with the straw man – the Skeleftea references. (BTW you’ve never once spelled it correctly). I have never suggested that Broberg play anywhere else next season.

    And yes, I think the *seeming* emergence and *apparent* ability of Broberg to step into a 3rd pairing role in *2021-22* should have us re-thinking the dangers of losing Jones to Seattle vs losing Athanasiou or Kassian or Benson or Puljujarvi.

    If Jones is clearly more valuable than any forward not named McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins or Yamamoto, then it would be better to trade a left-shot defenseman than to go 4-4-1 at the expansion draft.

  73. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    godot10,

    I don’t see any way Holland deals 2 2nds for AA then doesn’t qualify 12-30 games later.

    Would Neal buyout/Russell dump/and say Chiasson dump not be enough? Would be close to $10M no? Man that Kassian contract sucks.

    Kassian has scored 22-22-44 over his last 82 games, mostly at 5v5. What’s wrong with his contract?

  74. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OriginalPouzar: Maybe – Holland confirms that Broberg is indeed playing this coming season in Skelfeeta.We don’t know where Puljujarvi may be playing but it could be in Edmonton.

    Perhaps I should have been more specific and left less room for interpretation in my comment. Here goes.

    Broberg has a much greater chance to impact this team in the near future IN A POSITIVE WAY than Puljujarvi … just saying.

    Hope that clears things up.

  75. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    ArmchairGM: Kassian has scored 22-22-44 over his last 82 games, mostly at 5v5. What’s wrong with his contract?

    Not a thing. That contract is easily tradable.

  76. Munny says:

    godot10: I still think Hall in, Gaudreau out is what is going to happen.

    This has crossed my mind a few times too.

    Avs would also have interest.

  77. LadiesloveSmid says:

    ArmchairGM: Kassian has scored 22-22-44 over his last 82 games, mostly at 5v5. What’s wrong with his contract?

    Does that mean he was 15-20-35 in the previous 130 games? What changed? Same reason Patrick Maroon had 2 career seasons (mostly) with Edmonton.

  78. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Thanks for the feedback on CAP…

  79. pts2pndr says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Does that mean he was 15-20-35 in the previous 130 games? What changed? Same reason Patrick Maroon had 2 career seasons (mostly) with Edmonton.

    Some good players have not put up points with McDavid. To give all the credit for Kassian’s numbers to playing with McDavid is unfair. Kassian to date has been full value for his contract. I am not sure why you are anti Kassian unless you are a closet Calgary fan.

  80. jp says:

    godot10: There is a good chance the Oilers don’t qualify Athanasiou if he doesn’t play well in the playoffs.A salary arbitration award is a significant threat to the OIlers cap.

    Holland may qualify and then trade him. Or actually let him walk if an arbitrator awards him $5M.

    There’s no way he doesn’t qualify him.

  81. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    pts2pndr: Some good players have not put up points with McDavid. To give all the credit for Kassian’s numbers to playing with McDavid is unfair. Kassian to date has been full value for his contract. I am not sure why you are anti Kassian unless you are a closet Calgary fan.

    Sam Gagner’s mom?

  82. jp says:

    Munny: There’s decent chance he’s traded for a 2nd at the draft if he doesn’t play well this playoffs.

    Even bigger chance if Pujo makes his return (although I’ll believe it when I see it).

    Agreed on how moving on from Athanasiou would look, if it came to pass.

    Why would a Puljujarvi return increase AAs chance of getting moved though? I almost feel like it would be the opposite..

  83. jp says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Does that mean he was 15-20-35 in the previous 130 games? What changed? Same reason Patrick Maroon had 2 career seasons (mostly) with Edmonton.

    McDavid obviously is playing a huge role. Obviously. But.

    1) Maroon never scored 2.0 pts/60 with McDavid. Kassian has been there since he started playing with McDavid
    2) Kassian is playing 2.5 minutes more a game than he ever did before
    3) Maroon was getting PP minutes in his time with the Oilers. Kassian is basically not.
    4) Kassian has seasons of 1.66, 1.82 and 1.91 P/60 before playing with McDavid. That’s what Maroon was scoring with McDavid.

    I guess this is a list of reasons why Kassian is different than Maroon rather than ‘what changed’ but you get the idea.

  84. Munny says:

    jp,

    You’re thinking it increases the likelihood of a buyout?

    I’ve certainly left a lot of grey in the future outcomes… how bad does he have to play? What kind of success does the team itself have? Are there even any opportunities to buy draft picks in a Covid World? Does the price rise? How are convos with AA’s agent going?

  85. jp says:

    Munny:
    jp,

    You’re thinking it increases the likelihood of a buyout?

    I’ve certainly left a lot of grey in the future outcomes… how bad does he have to play?What kind of success does the team itself have?Are there even any opportunities to buy draft picks in a Covid World?Does the price rise?How are convos with AA’s agent going?

    Maybe we’ve crossed wires. Buyout of AA? I think that’s extremely unlikely. This in reply to my question about Puljujarvi?

  86. Munny says:

    jp,

    Buyout of another player, sorry for the confusion, not AA. I’m just guessing at why you would think it would be opposite.

    Pujo would add some salary over one of the $1 mill Euros. How much remains to be seen, as a bump might be part of the kiss-and-make-up process.

    I don’t know how salary-averse Holland is right now but regardless, I’m not sure he keeps AA after poor play, and short draft picks this draft, if he can add Pujo to the line-up.

  87. Reja says:

    jp: Agreed on how moving on from Athanasiou would look, if it came to pass.

    Why would a Puljujarvi return increase AAs chance of getting moved though? I almost feel like it would be the opposite..

    A.A is Holland man he doesn’t owe Jesse jack shit.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: The new CBA extension pegs the cap for the next two seasons at its current level with escrow limited to 20%.

    This will be reviewed after that once the league assesses revenues.

    Moreso, escrow is 20% for next season and reduces to 14-18% for the following season (with the cap mandated at $81.5M for those two years).

    There is an additional 10% pay deferral for next season but that 100% goes back to the players at a later date – just a short term deferral to help owners with operating expenses during decreases revenue and artificially inflated cap times.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Perhaps I should have been more specific and left less room for interpretation in my comment. Here goes.

    Broberg has a much greater chance to impact this team in the near future IN A POSITIVE WAY than Puljujarvi … just saying.

    Hope that clears things up.

    Thank you for the added information.

    I still believe Jesse has a better chance to impact that team in a positive way next season as he may actually play on the Oilers and have the opportunity. He very well may not play on the Oilers but we know that Broberg won’t (well, unless he comes over when his SHL season is over and plays on the Oilers, not Bakersfield).

  90. Munny says:

    Reja: A.A is Holland man he doesn’t owe Jesse jack shit.

    No, he doesn’t. But one would think it behooves him not to waste a 4th overall pick, no matter who made the selection. Dutchie seems to agree, considering the effort he’s put into the relationship thus far.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Holland may qualify and then trade him. Or actually let him walk if an arbitrator awards him $5M.

    There’s no way he doesn’t qualify him.

    100% agree.

  92. Reja says:

    Munny: No, he doesn’t.But one would think it behooves him not to waste a 4th overall pick, no matter who made the selection.Dutchie seems to agree, considering the effort he’s put into the relationship thus far.

    After Jesse and his agent spouted off that he would never play for Edmonton which in turn drove down his value and as a result made him untradeable. Holland is doing damage control, virtue signalling or what ever you want to call it. If Holland can’t get more that a 2nd at this coming draft he’ll let Jesse rot for another year in the 6th or 7th best league in the world.

  93. defmn says:

    Reja: After Jesse and his agent spouted off that he would never play for Edmonton which in turn drove down his value and as a result made him untradeable.Holland is doing damage control, virtue signalling or what ever you want to call it. If Holland can’t get more that a 2nd at this coming draft he’ll let Jesse rot for another year in the 6th or 7th best league in the world.

    I am surprised there has been so little talk about the quote a few weeks ago by Jesse that he was angry about how the organization reacted to his health concerns.

  94. pts2pndr says:

    Munny: No, he doesn’t.But one would think it behooves him not to waste a 4th overall pick, no matter who made the selection.Dutchie seems to agree, considering the effort he’s put into the relationship thus far.

    For Holland’s resume Jesse can only be a loss if he trades him for a player of lower value. He can leave him sit forever with no blemish on his record. The Jesse thing was messed up before his tenure.

  95. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny: No, he doesn’t.But one would think it behooves him not to waste a 4th overall pick, no matter who made the selection.Dutchie seems to agree, considering the effort he’s put into the relationship thus far.

    That fourth overall pick is a sunk cost.

    And it’s declining in value on a daily basis.

  96. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Decidedly Skeptical Fan: Perhaps I should have been more specific and left less room for interpretation in my comment. Here goes.

    Broberg has a much greater chance to impact this team in the near future IN A POSITIVE WAY than Puljujarvi … just saying.

    Hope that clears things up.

    – Either Pool comes back next year, and your wrong, or Pool doesn’t come back and Brah impacts the team in 2-3 years.

    – I hope your wrong

  97. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: That fourth overall pick is a sunk cost.

    And it’s declining in value on a daily basis.

    That may be your perception but it doesn’t make it true! You don’t have the requisite knowledge to state that as a fact.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: I am surprised there has been so little talk about the quote a few weeks ago by Jesse that he was angry about how the organization reacted to his health concerns.

    I could be wrong but I don’t think that was a quote from Jesse but hearsay from a source? Could be wrong.

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: That fourth overall pick is a sunk cost.

    And it’s declining in value on a daily basis.

    I agree on the first part – his draft pedigree may have a some value in maintaining some value (i believe it does) but it shouldn’t be a factor in Holland’s required acquisition cost.

    I disagree on the 2nd point – I think his value increased with a very good year in Liiga – I don’t think it can increase more from here though (well, unless he went to the SHL or KHL) but I don’t agree about declining daily.

  100. jp says:

    pts2pndr: For Holland’s resume Jesse can only be a loss if he trades him for a player of lower value. He can leave him sit forever with no blemish on his record. The Jesse thing was messed up before his tenure.

    I don’t think Holland cares about his resume or his record (unless it’s the W-L kind).

    Edit: and I suppose the W-L record is the key bullet on his resume in any case.

  101. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: That fourth overall pick is a sunk cost.

    And it’s declining in value on a daily basis.

    It’s a partially sunk cost… the difference between what was paid and what is recovered when a trade is made.

    But this is true of course about every single draft pick after the pick is made, so you’re not saying a whole helluva lot with your first sentence.

    The second sentence is more relevant and also more arguable. I think someone would want a lot more info before going all-in on the belief Pujo will never be worth more than he is today, and that value is less than he’s ever been worth before.

  102. Harpers Hair says:

    pts2pndr: That may be your perception but it doesn’t make it true! You don’t have the requisite knowledge to state that as a fact.

    Is there a GM in hockey who would trade a fourth overall pick for him?

    If you think so…which one.

    If not, it’s a sunk cost.

    Can some value be returned on that cost?

    Maybe.

    It’s like spending $80k on a new sports car that turns out to be a lemon.

    Will someone take it off your hands for parts? Quite likely but the longer you have to hang on to it, it’s value continues to decline.

  103. Munny says:

    Reja,

    I agree that Holly won’t deal Pujo unless he gets the value he wants in return.

    I also think he finds the combination of skill and cheap contract tantalizing enough to see if he can get the kid to join an organization that has made a lot of changes to its culture. Especially tantalizing under the Covid Cap.

    If this was mere “virtue signalling” that would mean the only work put into the situation would be the odd public comment. There appears to be more going on here.

  104. jp says:

    Munny:
    jp,

    Buyout of another player, sorry for the confusion, not AA.I’m just guessing at why you would think it would be opposite.

    Pujo would add some salary over one of the $1 mill Euros.How much remains to be seen, as a bump might be part of the kiss-and-make-up process.

    I don’t know how salary-averse Holland is right now but regardless, I’m not sure he keeps AA after poor play, and short draft picks this draft, if he can add Pujo to the line-up.

    Right. No, I wasn’t thinking about buyout there at all. I guess I’ve probably been too crystal clear (vs your lot of grey) in my own expectations on the moving parts (unrealistically clear for sure).

    I’ve been expecting AA to most likely be willing to re-up for $3M-ish which could definitely be subject to change if he has a good playoff run.

    I’ve also assumed if Puljujarvi were to return it would be for something under $1.5M. That’s not guaranteed I guess, though I’ve been adding a bump above his QO like you mention.

    The Oilers should probably be able to handle those 2 contracts, plus adding a 3C at ~$3M if Russell can be moved (either for a Sutter type 3C or for just cap with as much as a 3rd to help it along).

    Removing/exchanging Russell’s cap obviously also isn’t a given. And to be fair, even if it was, doing the things I mention also assumes Bear re-signs under $2M and Smith or other fills the goalie slot for $2.5M or less. Not givens. The backup if Russell can’t be moved is a Neal buyout, so that is on the radar. And could be done in addition to moving Russell if there’s a good reason.

    But back to the original point, I’ve been thinking Puljujarvi isn’t going to cost a lot and adding him wouldn’t require anyone being bought out (though Chiasson becomes kinda redundant if Puljujarvi is added).

    As for why trading AA would be less likely if JP returns, I don’t have a good reason for that. It just feels like more quality wingers (3 lines worth?) would be pretty nice and AA/JP flanking a new 3C would look good.

    All that aside, I’d be very surprised if Holland moves on from AA this off season, even in if he has a tough playoffs. Unless Taylor Hall. Hmmm, now how to fit Hall in… 🙂

  105. jp says:

    defmn: I am surprised there has been so little talk about the quote a few weeks ago by Jesse that he was angry about how the organization reacted to his health concerns.

    Agreed, whether the quote was from Jesse himself or a related source.

  106. jp says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Is there a GM in hockey who would trade a fourth overall pick for him?
    If you think so…which one.

    I’d wager there’s a GM who’d be happy to give up a #5 pick for Puljujarvi.

    https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187471

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp,

    I would anticipate a Pulujuarvi return would be at his QO.

  108. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    jp,

    I would anticipate a Pulujuarvi return would be at his QO.

    You can’t play hardball with the player though while also trying to convince the player to return.

    I agree he hasn’t rightfully earned much above his QO but even in other situations where players need to be convinced to come from Europe there’s often a slightly richer deal given. JMO, but I think he’ll get one year between $1.2M and $1.5M if he returns.

  109. Scungilli Slushy says:

    JP may also be a part of a multi player deal.

    The key is Holland knows he’s not worthless, meaning even sitting him until they lose control has it’s own value.

    Message sent to other teams, and current and future players. BoB are gone. A quality org on top of it’s game. Earn it.

  110. Munny says:

    jp: You can’t play hardball with the player though while also trying to convince the player to return.

    I agree he hasn’t rightfully earned much above his QO but even in other situations where players need to be convinced to come from Europe there’s often a slightly richer deal given. JMO, but I think he’ll get one year between $1.2M and $1.5M if he returns.

    That’s pretty much the range I had in mind too.

    Part of the reason for the bump would be the organization showing some good faith… ie. that they believe the past regime was partially responsible for Pujo’s “Lost Year”. It’s not an expensive gesture, so I expect a little something (assuming we get that far).

  111. Munny says:

    Scungilli Slushy,

    Yes he might be the grease in a salary dump or a broader move. It’s definitely possible.

  112. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Either Pool comes back next year, and your wrong, or Pool doesn’t come back and Brah impacts the team in 2-3 years.

    – I hope your wrong

    I hope I am wrong too. My Jesse vibe is a one year experience five times kind of guy. Does his own thing, doesn’t respond well to coaching, doesn’t do the little things it takes to win. As I said, I hope I am wrong. If I am right, I would prefer not to see him back. If you can get a 2nd for him, do it.

  113. N64 says:

    Harpers Hair: Is there a GM in hockey who would trade a fourth overall pick for him?

    If you think so…which one.

    If not, it’s a sunk cost.

    Can some value be returned on that cost?

    Maybe.

    It’s like spending $80k on a new sports car that turns out to be a lemon.

    Will someone take it off your hands for parts? Quite likely but the longer you have to hang on to it, it’s value continues to decline.

    Little known fact. ICBC’s massive debt goes back to Hair’s day as their claims adjuster. Another car that won’t sell for original price. Another salvage operation.

    Poor guy never did learn the difference between a forced sale and sale at owner’s discretion

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: You can’t play hardball with the player though while also trying to convince the player to return.

    I agree he hasn’t rightfully earned much above his QO but even in other situations where players need to be convinced to come from Europe there’s often a slightly richer deal given. JMO, but I think he’ll get one year between $1.2M and $1.5M if he returns.

    If Jesse wants to play in the AHL, he has to be willing to accept his QO – its not about Holland playing hardball, its about reasonableness, in particular given current cap situation.

    He may get more, I could be wrong, I’d be surprised though.

    Holland just got Caleb Jones for 2 X $850K while he was contributing to the Oilers on-ice team.

  115. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: That’s pretty much the range I had in mind too.

    Part of the reason for the bump would be the organization showing some good faith… ie. that they believe the past regime was partially responsible for Pujo’s “Lost Year”.It’s not an expensive gesture, so I expect a little something (assuming we get that far).

    It doesn’t seem expensive but, yes, in my opinion, $500K is expensive given the current cap situation when there isn’t even enough cap space available to re-sign incumbents let alone improve externally right now.

    There are those that think the team can’t afford Benning at $2M and I would posit that’s less than a $500K overpay.

    Yes, Jesse may prove to be value at $1.5M – it may be a great value contract – of course, he hasn’t shown that and, essentially, he’s a young recent AHL player that spent a year in Finland and would be coming back to the NHL – QO for me.

  116. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: I’d wager there’s a GM who’d be happy to give up a #5 pick for Puljujarvi.

    https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187471

    I’d wager you would be absolutely wrong about that.

    Juolevi had a very strong camp and is in the Edmonton bubble while Jesse sits in the sauna and licks his nose.

    Juolevi has had two serious injuries since being drafted and by all accounts his skating has now improved by leaps and bounds.

    And, Vancouver is literally awash in wingers and has three more young ones on the way.

    Perhaps the Oilers could swing a trade for Virtanen if they throw in a sweetener.

  117. OilClog says:

    I’m sure Holland is going to get JP worked out and his first game against Vancouver upon his return he’ll walk Rafferty.

    McDavid is about to crush the Hawks, the difference between the 5th overall team in the west that’s only getting better against an aging former champion praying for a lotto break will be apparent every single period.

    Vancouver has a sweet decade ahead of watching the Oilers superior talent just steam roll the fuck out of them. They’ve fucked up the scouting department, Eli will be pulling a Bure in 5 years if not 4. Quinn will be teaming up with his brother as soon as he’s free of the Canuck failure. They’re going to be left with Rafferty leading the charge for 60 years of mediocrity.

    It’s also bullshit Vegas is exempt from the Kraken Draft, what the krack is that shit. They’re clearly not suffering any sort of 1990’s San Jose syndrome. Vancouver should be protesting, Vegas has had more success at literally everything then Vancouver has found in their entire existence. Great western tragedy.

  118. Decidedly Skeptical Fan says:

    OilClog:
    I’m sure Holland is going to get JP worked out and his first game against Vancouver upon his return he’ll walk Rafferty.

    McDavid is about to crush the Hawks, the difference between the 5th overall team in the west that’s only getting better against an aging former champion praying for a lotto break will be apparent every single period.

    Vancouver has a sweet decade ahead of watching the Oilers superior talent just steam roll the fuck out of them. They’ve fucked up the scouting department, Eli will be pulling a Bure in 5 years if not 4. Quinn will be teaming up with his brother as soon as he’s free of the Canuck failure. They’re going to be left with Rafferty leading the charge for 60 years of mediocrity.

    It’s also bullshit Vegas is exempt from the Kraken Draft, what the krack is that shit. They’re clearly not suffering any sort of 1990’s San Jose syndrome. Vancouver should be protesting, Vegas has had more success at literally everything then Vancouver has found in their entire existence. Great western tragedy.

    HH typing furiously while I keep refreshing the page to see the response.

  119. OilClog says:

    Show me one team in the league envious of Vancouver’s wingers lol

    Don’t they scratch Jake half the time? Hasn’t he stated they’re fucking with head by doing so lol.

    Vancouver is a middling team with a few nice young guys that the league seemed to be figuring out as the season wore on.

    6-11 down the stretch losing their point lead. Fucking bums

  120. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar: in my opinion, $500K is expensive given the current cap situation

    I’m glad you agree the rest of the range is acceptable… since you only chose to highlight the extreme end as expensive.

    And you realize we are only acknowledging ourselves that it might be a possibility we are forced to accept? You understand that we all want all our players as cheaply as possible in a cap world? These are givens, no?

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    None of our opinions have any impact on what actually happens, we all know that.

    I was responding to the implied position of acceptability of the positor with a contract that could be $1.5M (and the opinion that its not that expensive) and my thoughts on if the GM would agree to do so.

  122. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    None of our opinions have any impact on what actually happens, we all know that.

    I was responding to the implied position of acceptability of the positor with a contract that could be $1.5M (and the opinion that its not that expensive) and my thoughts on if the GM would agree to do so.

    You never mentioned or referred to Holland once. So that’s a little difficult for us to guess at.

    And the conversation was about what range of scenarios Holland might face. ie. Actually. And certainly not an attempt to impact the future lol (where did that come from?).

    And it is still strange why you chose to only use the worst possible scenario as the basis for your argument, again sans Holland, given that context.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    Some really good stuff coming out about Jesse over night – some direct quotes from his agent about how constructive the meetings have been and how the Oilers are a legit option for Jesse. Apparently the meetings were mainly about how best to develop Jesse in the next bit.

    Great stuff.

    It would be so good to add him to the right wing mix on a cheap

    contract.https://twitter.com/ArchivistSports/status/1288055701030309895

  124. OriginalPouzar says:

    GAME DAY!

    I’ve been waiting for this for so long.

    Just an exhibition game but, damn, it will be good to see a game broadcast.

    While I do expect the game to be somewhat intense for an exhibition game, I don’t anticipate we’ll see any “normal BOA fireworks” as both teams know this is their one game to get ready for the post-season and noone will want to get suspended or anything like that – they’ll be focussed on getting ready. At least that’s what I anticipate, you never know.

    I know Rittich and Talbot are splitting and I assume Mikko and Smith are doing the same but Tippett hasn’t confirmed anything.

    Teams can dress two extra skaters for a total of 20. Sheahan won’t be playing (although its only supposed to be a few days) so I think Haas will take his spot as 3C. My guess is Nygard and Jones are the other two that dress.

    Go Oilers – Stay Healthy!

  125. jp says:

    Munny: That’s pretty much the range I had in mind too.

    Part of the reason for the bump would be the organization showing some good faith… ie. that they believe the past regime was partially responsible for Pujo’s “Lost Year”.It’s not an expensive gesture, so I expect a little something (assuming we get that far).

    Exactly. Agreed.

  126. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: If Jesse wants to play in the AHL, he has to be willing to accept his QO – its not about Holland playing hardball, its about reasonableness, in particular given current cap situation.

    He may get more, I could be wrong, I’d be surprised though.

    Holland just got Caleb Jones for 2 X $850K while he was contributing to the Oilers on-ice team.

    But getting a contract done, especially with a player who’s holding out over non-$$ related issues, isn’t 100% about reasonableness.

    Also, I’d expect part of Holland’s pitch (and his actual expectation) is that Puljujarvi should be playing in the top 9. 3rd liners don’t often get paid $900k or $1M, so paying the player $1.2-$1.5M actually matches the expectation of both team and player. Seems reasonable in a different way.

    Anyway I could be wrong too. If Holland can convince Jesse to return AND convince him to sign for his QO, kudos to him.

    And yes, the Jones deal is great. I do think one could argue that Jesse is way more established now than Jones was when he signed that deal though (had played only 40 NHL games total and was not as established as he is even now after 60 GP). Jones is also a year older than Puljujarvi. I know lots would argue the other way but I do think the point is arguable.

  127. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Some really good stuff coming out about Jesse over night – some direct quotes from his agent about how constructive the meetings have been and how the Oilers are a legit option for Jesse.Apparently the meetings were mainly about how best to develop Jesse in the next bit.

    Great stuff.

    It would be so good to add him to the right wing mix on a cheap

    contract.https://twitter.com/ArchivistSports/status/1288055701030309895

    – Told you he’d come back:

    – it was by far the most obvious solution, especially when we’d read specualtive articles about what the paltry return might be … You were so adamanent, dead set, and queried anyone against who suggested Pool would come back,

    – Pool playing in Edmonton at least as his first stop was always the most sensible

  128. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: I’d wager you would be absolutely wrong about that.

    Juolevi had a very strong camp and is in the Edmonton bubble while Jesse sits in the sauna and licks his nose.

    Juolevi has had two serious injuries since being drafted and by all accounts his skating has now improved by leaps and bounds.

    And, Vancouver is literally awash in wingers and has three more young ones on the way.

    Perhaps the Oilers could swing a trade for Virtanen if they throw in a sweetener.

    Well there’s next to zero chance of us finding out the true answer and what Benning/Holland really think.

    Puljujarvi has had injuries too. You know, while playing in the NHL. And well Juolevi has yet to play in an NHL game. That sounds like a declining asset.

    Awash in wingers. Haha, well it is true. The $3M men.

    Yes, agreed that a recent #6OV pick who just scored 18 goals sounds like a reasonable return for Puljujarvi.

  129. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Some really good stuff coming out about Jesse over night – some direct quotes from his agent about how constructive the meetings have been and how the Oilers are a legit option for Jesse. Apparently the meetings were mainly about how best to develop Jesse in the next bit.
    Great stuff.
    It would be so good to add him to the right wing mix on a cheap
    contract.https://twitter.com/ArchivistSports/status/1288055701030309895

    That is good stuff, whatever he might end up getting paid. Great to hear and thanks for passing it on.

  130. defmn says:

    jp: That is good stuff, whatever he might end up getting paid. Great to hear and thanks for passing it on.

    Any idea what “According to Lehto, flies are Puljujarvi’s number one option.” means?

  131. jp says:

    defmn:
    Any idea what “According to Lehto, flies are Puljujarvi’s number one option.” means?

    Ha, not entirely sure.

    The previous point talks about where he might sign prior to the NHL season (up till it starts) and the following talks about Oulu, so his previous team was my take.

    Apparently the team name is a type of northern weasel though (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oulun_Kärpät).

    That translation was overall much better than we usually get with Google Translate so I won’t complain!

  132. Shane says:

    I could read google translating Finnish all day!

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