Mock On. Mock On.

by Lowetide

The Edmonton Oilers have drafted No. 14 overall just twice in 40 years. In 1997, the club drafted a skill winger (Michel Riesen) out of the Swiss League, he was eventually dealt along with Doug Weight to St. Louis in what we call the Jochen Hecht trade.

The second player chosen No. 14 overall was Devan Dubyk, who entertained me as a member of the Kamloops Blazers. As a junior, Dubnyk never met a penalty he wouldn’t take, but he was solid for the Oilers 2010-13 and then even better than that for the Minnesota Wild 2014-19.

Ironically, it appears the Oilers could be choosing between a skill forward and a goalie at No. 14 this year. The seasons go round and round and round in the circle game.

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MOCK FIRST ROUND, VOLUME 2

1 NEW YORK RANGERS:  LW Alexis Lafreniere, Rimouski QMJHL. General manager Jeff Gorton finally received his karmic payback for fine work done for the Boston Bruins in 2006 (signed Zdeno Chara, Marc Savard, traded for Tuukka Rask, drafted Phil Kessel, Milan Lucic and Brad Marchand) before being sent away. No brainer for the Blueshirts despite a depth chart on LW that boasts Artemi Panarin and Chris Kreider. The Rangers could get 90 goals from their left wingers next year.

2 LOS ANGELES KINGS:  LC Quinton Byfield, Sudbury OHL. Byfield is perfect for the Pacific Division: A gigantic center who combines power forward torque, pure skill and a complete set of tools. Smart player. General manager Rob Blake has a smart crew helping him at the draft, including friend of the blog (and show) Rob Vollman. The Kings drafted my No. 4 (Alex Turcotte), No. 5 (Arthur Kaliyev), No. 33 (Samuel Fagemo) and No. 36 (Tobias Björnfot) ranked players a year ago, suspect they’ll go high skill again.

3 OTTAWA SENATORS: LC Tim Stutzle, Mannheim DEL. GM Pierre Dorion can’t go wrong with this player. He is pure skill, an expert passer who can also score goals in bunches. Some reports I’ve read suggest he’ll play wing over center but this is an elite talent. Ottawa has a pile fo quality forwards, this player will add to a ridiculous ‘department of youth’ depth chart.

4 DETROIT RED WINGS: LC Marco Rossi, Ottawa OHL. As it turned Steve Yzerman’s Steve Yzerman moment came at the draft lottery. Yzerman’s time in Tampa Bay, the Lightning were solid to excellent at the draft table and not just in the first round. This is my No. 4 player this year, I think he’s being underrated elsewhere. Red Line, who know what they’re doing, have him at No. 3 overall. Big time player in a small package.

5 OTTAWA SENATORS: LHD Jake Sanderson, US National Team (USHL)I’ve spoken to enough scouts to believe the first defenseman chosen is an open question. I chose Sanderson for GM Pierre Dorion because that’s going to be important down the line. Sanderson is big, strong, fast, and has a great shot. He can impact the game at both ends.

6 ANAHEIM DUCKS: LC Cole Perfetti, Saginaw OHL. Perfetti is a winger who can score and is the final high skill OHL forward. He’s a shooter, and should thrive in the Pacific Division with his combination of strength and skill. Bob Murray has been general manager since 2008 and the first round has been hit and miss since the impressive Fowler-Rakell-Lindholm-Theodore run 2010-13. This is a great pick.

7 NEW JERSEY DEVILS: RHD Jamie Drysdale, Erie OHL. He’s a two-way defenseman who can scoot and the most likely blue to spend substantial time on an NHL power play. New Jersey’s defense of the future has Ty Smith as the main piece, but could use a righty who will man the power play down the line.

8 BUFFALO SABRES: LW Lucas Raymond, Frolunda (SHL). Raymond is a fine prospect, he’ll find chem with one of those young centers (Jack Eichel, Sam Reinhart, Dylan Cozens). Main skill is passing, outstanding creativity with the puck. Great skater.

9 MINNESOTA WILD:  LW Dylan Holloway, Wisconsin NCAA. It’s more likely he’ll have a career as a two-way winger, but he was 17 when he went to camp and scored 8 goals as a freshman. Intriguing player. Holloway is a bit of a risky pick (his offense isn’t guaranteed) but I think Bill Guerin will like his size (6.0, 192 at 17) and skills. GM’s are often very careful about their first picks.

10 WINNIPEG JETS: RD Braden Schneider, Brandon WHL. He’s a big, mobile defensemen who delivers enough offense to be considered a two-way player. Red Line compares him to Darnell Nurse, and the Jets, who have Morrissey, Pionk, DeMolo with Heinola and Stanley bubbling under. Kevin Cheveldayoff has to rebuild the blue, Schneider is a nice foundation piece.

11 NASHVILLE PREDATORS: RW Alexander Holtz, Djurgardens SHL. Holtz is an impressive scorer, Nashville’s David Poile badly needs to add that element to the Preds system. Red Line compares him to Vladimir Tarasenko.

12 FLORIDA PANTHERS: RC Seth Jarvis, Portland WHL. Great speed and skill, he also owns an impressive shot. Dynamic player, I don’t know who is going to run Florida but this is a terrific prospect.

13 CAROLINA HURRICANES: G Yaroslav Askarov, St. Petersburg VHLAskarov will represent too much value to pass on at this point. Scott Wheeler mentioned Minnesota, Carolina and the Oilers as possible landing spots for the goalie, I put him here.

14 EDMONTON OILERS: RW Jack Quinn, Ottawa OHL. He spiked at the right time. One of the best scorers in the draft, good speed, his 52 goals in 62 games rivals Lowetide favourite Arthur Kaliyev’s OHL numbers from 2018-19 (51 goals in 67 games). He won’t be ready for the NHL for a couple of years. Red Line compares his style to TJ Oshie.

15 PITTSBURGH PENGUINS: RC Dawson Mercer, Chicoutimi QMJHL. He has a nice range of skills, fine passer, smart player. Mercer is a safer pick than a few others in this range, Jim Rutherford will need this pick to turn out by 2022.

16 MONTREAL CANADIENS: RC Mavrik Bourque, Shawinigan QMJHL. Righty center is creative, effective and intelligent. Came out of nowhere during the season and has the complete range of skills. He is my favourite player in the draft.

17 CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS: LD Kaiden Guhle, Prince Albert WHL. Guhle is a mobile defender who can defend and play a complementary offensive role. He has speed and size (6.02, 186) and can cover well. Stan Bowman needs to remake a blue line and Guhle is a substantial player.

18 NEW JERSEY DEVILS: LC Anton Lundell, Helsinki Liiga. He’s a big pivot with skill and a complete skill set. If the Devils get him this late there will be an investigation. NJD have Hughes, Hischer, Zacha and Zajac at center but Lundell is an excellent two-way prospect.

19 CALGARY FLAMES: LC Connor Zary, Kamloops WHL. He’s a fine two-way center who delivers significant offense and has a range of skills. Calgary used to be awful at the draft now they just keep adding good prospects. It’s a battle Edmonton is losing despite improved results.

20 NEW JERSEY DEVILS: RW Jacob Perreault, Sarnia OHL. Perreault won’t provide immediate help but he’s a pure scorer. Red Line compares him to Jake DeBrusk and if he’s available here the Devils would have to consider him strongly. He’s the final healthy forward who could emerge as an offensive difference maker based on development leading up to his draft.

21 COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS:  LW Rodion Amirov, Ufa KHLHe’s a hidden gem this year, responsible winger who should score enough to play on a skill line and power play. Aggressive, great skater. The Jackets shop the world for talent, Amirov is probably best available here.

22 OTTAWA SENATORS: RW Noel Gunler, Lulea (SHL). Another scoring winger and another good match if he falls to Ottawa. I haven’t drafted a center for Ottawa, but the two forwards are fantastic value and the Sens get the player many believe is the best defenseman in the draft.

23 DALLAS STARS: LW Ridly Greig, Brandon WHL. He’s a fascinating player who has plus skills and plays with an edge. He finished strong, and there’s a good chance many teams who pass on him will be kicking themselves a couple of years from now. Dallas needs a lot of help, this is a good start.

24 NEW YORK RANGERS: LC Marat Khusnutdinov, St. Petersburg MHL. Undersized center with impressive skills, breathtaking passer and may be badly underrated here. The one NHL organization that doesn’t have to hesitate inn drafting Russians, Rangers get an exceptional talent.

25 PHILADELPHIA FLYERS: LW Lukas Reichel, Berlin DEL. Mid-season riser. He has skill, speed and plays with abandon. There is some range of opinion on this player.

26 SAN JOSE SHARKS: LC Hendrix Lapierre, Chicoutimi QMJHL. Brilliant playmaking center who would go much higher without injury issues. San Jose, who never met a first-round risk they wouldn’t love to take, go all-in on a player who could emerge as a top performer.

27 ST. LOUIS BLUES:  LC Jan Mysak, Hamilton OHL. He can score and has speed, plus has figured out the defensive part of the game. Fine prospect. The Blues have been inconsistent at the draft table recently, going from Tage Thompson to Robert Thomas, but Mysak is an excellent pick.

28 WASHINGTON CAPITALS: LD Ryan O’Rourke, Sault Ste. Marie OHL. In a draft year with few defensemen chosen in the first round, the Capitals go off the board a little and take a player with the complete skill set. Mobile, can defend, impressive passer.

29 COLORADO AVALANCHE: LW John-Jason Peterka, Munich DEL. A speedy winger with skill, Red Line compares him in style to Tomas Tatar. Avs need another high skill guy like a fish needs a bicycle, but get good players keep good players remains a good idea.

30 ANAHEIM DUCKS:  RD Justin Barron, Halifax QMJHL. Good size and mobility, solid two-way defensive prospect. He had some health issues before the break but was back and ready to go when things shut down. Solid value at this pick.

31 VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS: LW Jake Neighbours, Edmonton WHL. It’s ironic that the Oilers-Oil Kings draft stories are so predominately negative, so much so that few are talking about a fairly unique player. Red Line calls him a goal scorer with a grinder mentality. Whenever I watch him, it’s obvious he has a player who has figured out how he can impact the game on every shift.

OILERS MOCK

No. 14: RW Jack Quinn, Ottawa OHL. His NHLE from last season is 38.0 and he scored 50 goals in the world’s best junior league at age 18. He is just three months younger than Kaliyev, so the development time is closer to completion than some of the other skill forwards in this draft. Along with Kailer Yamamoto and Raphael Lavoie, Quinn could help turn right wing into an area of strength in fairly short order.

No. 82: LW Maxim Groshev, Nizhnekamsk KHL. He has good size (6.02, 194) and is a good skater with a plus shot. Smart and aggressive, plays a two-way game. NHLE is 12.8.

No. 144: G Brett Brochu, London OHL. He is a September 2002, meaning he barely qualifies for the draft. His SP as an OHL rookie was .919, none of the backups hit .895. He is 5.11, 156. I’d take a chance and pray for a growth spurt.

No. 175 LC Cam Tolnai, Ottawa OHL. A late, late breaker who is absolutely under the radar from a draft perspective. Highly touted youngster who had some issues getting adjusted but posted a point per game in his final 10. Brock Otten writes about him here.

No. 208 R Dmitri Sheshin, Magnitohorsk MHL. Undersized skill winger is something of a wizard with the puck. Good not great speed, an intriguing skill player. I had him at No. 80 on my list last year.

PROSPECT NHLE’S

I am now officially pleased with that right wing depth chart, every player on that list is a prospect of one type or another. Of course, counting on anyone but Quinn and Lavoie is folly, but stories are being written. Left Wing is not strong and that’s a problem but you have to build with the bricks available and Quinn was the best one at No. 14 in my mock. You can see why Dylan Holloway is of interest (reportedly) to the Oilers.

Graham McPhee’s signing window is complete. He could sign an AHL deal but that doesn’t make much sense with no AHL on the horizon.

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jtblack

ON A % BASIS, what are the odds KH adds at least 1 pick in the Top 100?

dustrock

Gimme a M (M!) O (O!) C (C!) K (K!)

Whatcha got? MOCK!

Whatcha gonna do? MOCK YOU!

Ryan

Given the up coming Kraken expansion draft, our cap troubles, and the immense talent available at 14, I myself hope we don’t trade the pick and draft a forward.

Holland has already mentioned that he traded two seconds at the deadline because he wanted to keep the first. Now it’s even more valuable thanks to an early exit and Covid-19.

We were clamoring (overused word intentionally) for Barzal when he had 58 GP: 27-61-88 (1.52 ppg).in the WHL.

Now we have options like Quinn (1.44 ppg) OHL and Seth Jarvis 58: 42-56-98 (1.69 ppg) in the WHL and some are talking about trading the pick or drafting a goalie.

What was it that Einstein said about insanity…

GordieHoweHatTrick

Ryan:
Given the up coming Kraken expansion draft, our cap troubles, and the immense talent available at 14, I myself hope we don’t trade the pick and draft a forward.

Holland has already mentioned that he traded two seconds at the deadline because he wanted to keep the first. Now it’s even more valuable thanks to an early exit and Covid-19.

We were clamoring (overused word intentionally) for Barzal when he had 58 GP: 27-61-88 (1.52 ppg).in the WHL.

Now we have options like Quinn (1.44 ppg) OHL and Seth Jarvis 58: 42-56-98 (1.69 ppg) in the WHL and some are talking about trading the pick or drafting a goalie.

What was it that Einstein said about insanity…

Agreed. The only possible deviation from drafting a skill F this year would be a trade offer too good to refuse. In Kenny we trust….?

Rondo

I think Oilers would take if available at #14 any of these players and goalie. Askarov, Lundell, Quinn and Jarvis. A wild card might be Lapierre.

leadfarmer

Wild will pick a center, trade for a center, throw money at a center
If anyone makes a center available they will outbid everyone
Otherwise I would put a center in that slot

leadfarmer

Hard to get a read on Holloway as the Badgers really really sucked despite having a lot of young high end talent

JimmyV1965

Ryan:
Given the up coming Kraken expansion draft, our cap troubles, and the immense talent available at 14, I myself hope we don’t trade the pick and draft a forward.

Holland has already mentioned that he traded two seconds at the deadline because he wanted to keep the first. Now it’s even more valuable thanks to an early exit and Covid-19.

We were clamoring (overused word intentionally) for Barzal when he had 58 GP: 27-61-88 (1.52 ppg).in the WHL.

Now we have options like Quinn (1.44 ppg) OHL and Seth Jarvis 58: 42-56-98 (1.69 ppg) in the WHL and some are talking about trading the pick or drafting a goalie.

What was it that Einstein said about insanity…

Trading the first round pick has helped many many teams. See the Canucks. Just don’t make a horrible trade that is flagged the day it is done. Teams improve this way all the time.

Ryan

Rondo:
I think Oilers would take if available at #14 any of these players and goalie. Askarov, Lundell, Quinn and Jarvis. A wild card might be Lapierre.

I haven’t spent much time looking at the draft list.

Following LT’s rule of starting with the math…

OHL then WHL numbers are loud voices that are too difficult to ignore.

I always have a hard time with Euro league and US college numbers.

– Lundell has slightly better luggage ppg than Puljujarvi, but JP wasn’t drafted 3rd OV for his Liiga numbers.

– Lapierre makes men nervous… it’s always hard to read a player injured early in his draft year. I don’t even know what the injury was..

– By the numbers Quinn and Jarvis look spectacular and both appear to be shooters. If we draft either, we’ll have a rightorium on RW and more of a sanatorium on LW, but that’s ok.

– Holloway makes me nervous both because the offense looks shy and he’s a Kenny Holland player type.

– Askarov. I don’t know anything about goalies. Godot mention uncertain development timeline. We have a dire need for cheap skilled forwards and no second round pick for two years…

Ryan

Ryan: I haven’t spent much time looking at the draft list.

Following LT’s rule of starting with the math…

OHL then WHL numbers are loud voices that are too difficult to ignore.

I always have a hard time with Euro league and US college numbers.

– Lundell has slightly better luggage ppg than Puljujarvi, but JP wasn’t drafted 3rd OV for his Liiga numbers.

– Lapierre makes men nervous… it’s always hard to read a player injured early in his draft year. I don’t even know what the injury was..

– By the numbers Quinn and Jarvis look spectacular and both appear to be shooters. If we draft either, we’ll have a rightorium on RW and more of a sanatorium on LW, but that’s ok.

– Holloway makes me nervous both because the offense looks shy and he’s a Kenny Holland player type.

– Askarov. I don’t know anything about goalies. Godot mention uncertain development timeline. We have a dire need for cheap skilled forwards and no second round pick for two years…

It’s all about the better luggage.

I think ppg was autocorrected to that and I can’t edit.

Scungilli Slushy

JimmyV1965: Trading the first round pick has helped many many teams. See the Canucks. Just don’t make a horrible trade that is flagged the day it is done. Teams improve this way all the time.

I don’t like trading firsts but I agree .

It can’t be for a 3C though. Has to be for a current impact player with term. One that can push things forward now, or keep it.

It would almost certainly have to be a multi to shift cap. The NHL is too cautious these days.

godot10

JimmyV1965: Trading the first round pick has helped many many teams. See the Canucks. Just don’t make a horrible trade that is flagged the day it is done. Teams improve this way all the time.

There are not any JT Miller’s out there this year. JT Miller had scored 20 goals multiple times for two different teams, about to enter his prime, and signed to a good medium term contract; Plus, a complete physical toolset as a player….skating, size, physicality.

He was proven and legit.

godot10

For a guy who could have been drafted last year, but for a day or two, Quinn’s stats are not particularly impressive.

leadfarmer

JimmyV1965: Trading the first round pick has helped many many teams. See the Canucks. Just don’t make a horrible trade that is flagged the day it is done. Teams improve this way all the time.

Need cap space to do that
Adding 5.25 mil per for Miller was not an option for us

leadfarmer

godot10:
For a guy who could have been drafted last year, but for a day or two, Quinn’s stats are not particularly impressive.

Clearly worried about a Patrick Kane effect with Rossi

Harpers Hair

JimmyV1965: Trading the first round pick has helped many many teams. See the Canucks. Just don’t make a horrible trade that is flagged the day it is done. Teams improve this way all the time.

Much of the wisdom about any decision to trade the first round pick depends on where the team is in its development cycle.

Using the Canucks as an example, they had the critical building blocks in place before pulling the trigger on the trade for Miller.

#1C…check
#2C…check
#1D…check
#1G…check

Of course, they also had just drafted two high end winger prospects in Podkolzin and Hoglander with Kole Lind looking pretty good in the WHL but all likely a couple of years away.

Had the Canucks waited on those prospects to make an impact, they would likely not be where they are now.

The Oilers have most of those key positions filled with the exception of #1D and I guess that’s why Holland picked Broberg instead of an impact winger a year ago but that decision pushed the team build back a season or more.

So now the decision is whether or not to seize the moment or wait on whomever they draft to make an impact.

It’s possible the drafted player can step right in and make a difference but it’s a coin flip at best and Holland runs the risk of another season or two of stalled progress.

I expect he will keep the pick but, at this point, he should certainly consider trading it if the right player is available.

Ryan

Scungilli Slushy: I don’t like trading firsts but I agree .

It can’t be for a 3C though. Has to be for a current impact player with term. One that can push things forward now, or keep it.

It would almost certainly have to be a multi to shift cap. The NHL is too cautious these days.

A lot of these trades don’t age well. There are individual exceptions, but on aggregate, by the time a player is 25, his best offensive years are already behind them.

In these sorts of deals, you’re getting a 26 or 27-year-old NHL player.

Look at the Stepan trade. In theory, Arizona got a starting goalie and a first line centre in exchange for a former late first rounder and a 7th.

Now Raanta is probably an upgrade over Koskinen, but he’s now Arizona’s backup goalie. He only had a year left on his contract when they acquire dhim.

At the time, you could make an argument that Dereke Stepan was a legit but far from elite 1st line NHL centre with a good 2-way reputation.

In his last year in New York, he had 55 points in 81 games. He was 27 at the time.

He had one good year for Arizona with 56 points, but his been under half a point per game since. He’s now 30 and they have one more year paying him $6.5 m left on his contract.

DeAngelo had 53 points in 68 games this season and is still only 24. The Rangers drafted Lias Anderson at #7 and he’s been a disappointment (often mentioned in JP trade rumors).

JT Miller was at least on 26 when Vancouver traded for him. Plus he had a reasonable contract with lots of term. He certainly spiked this season with 27 goals and 72 points in 67 games.

They paid a first and a third… So far the JT Miller trade looks brilliant, but how these players age is unpredictable.

Harpers Hair

leadfarmer: Need cap space to do that
Adding 5.25 mil per for Miller was not an option for us

Trading Nurse, walking away from AA and disposing of Chiasson creates more than $10 million in cap space.

I hear the TML need defensemen and have to shed cap space to do it.

I’m pretty sure they would listen on a trade that gives them a first round pick and a second pairing D
for William Nylander.

Scungilli Slushy

Harpers Hair: Trading Nurse, walking away from AA and disposing of Chiasson creates more than $10 million in cap space.

I hear the TML need defensemen and have to shed cap space to do it.

I’m pretty sure they would listen on a trade that gives them a first round pick and a second pairing D
for William Nylander.

Im sure they would

Pretty big overpay

Even if you don’t like Nurse I’m sure plenty of GMs do. Never underestimate fast big mean and boxcars.
in the NHL

Scungilli Slushy

Ryan: A lot of these trades don’t age well. There are individual exceptions, but on aggregate, by the time a player is 25, his best offensive years are already behind them.

In these sorts of deals, you’re getting a 26 or 27-year-old NHL player.

Look at the Stepan trade. In theory, Arizona got a starting goalie and a first line centre in exchange for a former late first rounder and a 7th.

Now Raanta is probably an upgrade over Koskinen, but he’s now Arizona’s backup goalie. He only had a year left on his contract when they acquire dhim.

At the time, you could make an argument that Dereke Stepan was a legit but far from elite 1st line NHL centre with a good 2-way reputation.

In his last year in New York, he had 55 points in 81 games. He was 27 at the time.

He had one good year for Arizona with 56 points, but his been under half a point per game since. He’s now 30 and they have one more year paying him $6.5 m left on his contract.

DeAngelo had 53 points in 68 games this season and is still only 24. The Rangers drafted Lias Anderson at #7 and he’s been a disappointment (often mentioned in JP trade rumors).

JT Miller was at least on 26 when Vancouver traded for him. Plus he had a reasonable contract with lots of term. He certainly spiked this season with 27 goals and 72 points in 67 games.

They paid a first and a third… So far the JT Miller trade looks brilliant, but how these players age is unpredictable.

100% agree

IF a deal came along that made sense I would do it. Pretty rare these days for sure. There is no need for any more team wrecking trades – been covered

godot10

Harpers Hair: Much of the wisdom about any decision to trade the first round pick depends on where the team is in its development cycle.

Using the Canucks as an example, they had the critical building blocks in place before pulling the trigger on the trade for Miller.

#1C…check
#2C…check
#1D…check
#1G…check

Of course, they also had just drafted two high end winger prospects in Podkolzin and Hoglander with Kole Lind looking pretty good in the WHL but all likely a couple of years away.

Had the Canucks waited on those prospects to make an impact, they would likely not be where they are now.

The Oilers have most of those key positions filled with the exception of #1D and I guess that’s why Holland picked Broberg instead of an impact winger a year ago but that decision pushed the team build back a season or more.

So now the decision is whether or not to seize the moment or wait on whomever they draft to make an impact.

It’s possible the drafted player can step right in and make a difference but it’s a coin flip at best and Holland runs the risk of another season or two of stalled progress.

I expect he will keep the pick but, at this point, he should certainly consider trading it if the right player is available.

Mikael Granlund is this years model of JT Miller, and he is a UFA. One doesn’t need to trade the #14. Not quite as good, mid-prime, rather than early prime.

Ryan

Harpers Hair: Trading Nurse, walking away from AA and disposing of Chiasson creates more than $10 million in cap space.

I hear the TML need defensemen and have to shed cap space to do it.

I’m pretty sure they would listen on a trade that gives them a first round pick and a second pairing D
for William Nylander.

Now you’re talking more about a hockey trade than simply using the first rounder to get a winger.

Trading Nurse himself based on his contract status, the expansion draft, and the leftorium is not necessarily a bad idea.

With Holland selecting Broberg, trading two second rounders, and having nearly zilch in the cupboard for forward prospects, I wouldn’t want to package the first.

godot10

I think best player and need set up pretty well to draft one of the centres at #14. Most important position and the Oilers have diddly squat in the pipeline. And pretty much diddly squat in the NHL after the top 2 once Nugent-Hopkins is moved to wing.

Jarvis or Bourque.

Or bring in a complete Finnish line Granlund UFA, Lundell #14, Puljujarvi. Granlund as veteran Finnish pro.

Reja

dustrock:
Gimme a M (M!) O (O!) C (C!) K (K!)

Whatcha got? MOCK!

Whatcha gonna do? MOCK YOU!

You gotta love Hair Nation, sure beats that Gangsta crap.

OriginalPouzar

No AHL on the horizon is an issue, a big issue.

I’ve got to think that, if the NHL is going, there will be a way to make the AHL run concurrently, in some form or another. I don’t know what that would look like, potentially the “non-NHL affiliate owned teams” the determine they cannot operate without full fans take the year off and disperse their players and there is some sort of geographical shit solution? I don’t know.

I don’t know what the NHL will look like when (if) it starts in December/January – what type of travel, what type of fans, how they jig the schedule or change the divisions for one year if it even is cancelled.

Yes, the NHL could go with a “taxi-squad” similar to the current bubble but there will need to be cap structuring for that – they would need to make it so the “taxi squad” doesn’t count against the cap and inserting taxi squad players on to the roster (and back off) would need to be subject to normal rules (waivers, etc.).

At the end of the day, having Bouchard, Lavoie, Skinner, Marody, etc. on a taxi squad, practicing but not playing games is just terrible.

These players need to play and develop.

This isn’t just an Oilers issue, obviously – its league wide.

Stupid virus.

JimmyV1965

I’m not actually arguing that we should trade the 14OV. I’m simply saying it should be on the table. And of course there’s a risk trading the pick, but there’s also a risk with the player you draft. And none of us know what players are actually available.

Harpers Hair

godot10: Mikael Granlund is this years model of JT Miller, and he is a UFA.One doesn’t need to trade the #14.Not quite as good, mid-prime, rather than early prime.

Pretty expensive 3C

Harpers Hair

Scungilli Slushy: Im sure they would

Pretty big overpay

Even if you don’t like Nurse I’m sure plenty of GMs do. Never underestimate fast big mean and boxcars.
in the NHL

What do you think a 35 goal winger for McDavid is worth?

Ryan

JimmyV1965:
I’m not actually arguing that we should trade the 14OV. I’m simply saying it should be on the table. And of course there’s a risk trading the pick, but there’s also a risk with the player you draft. And none of us know what players are actually available.

Here’s the thing.

The number one pick right now has extreme value as a trade commodity.

Forget about team building, Stanley cups, winning hockey games, and odds of success of the pick making it to the NHL.

Think simply in economic terms.

It’s one red paper clip…

The expansion draft, you don’t need to protect the player selected.

There’s a flat cap and the pick player ultimately selected has no cap implications for next season.

There’s a ton of quality available at number 14.

Now the Kraken draft scheme simultaneously also devalues NHL roster forwards and defensemen.

We see that with the Oilers.

If you forget about winning hockey games next season. Get your mind off that and think about maximizing your portfolio through the expansion draft.

A lot of teams like the Oilers teeter between 4/4 and 7/3 protection.

The value of dmen roster players drops in the sense that any team acquiring a Darnell Nurse is most likely going to be forced into a 4/4 and expose some good forwards.

Conversely, forwards are devalued because teams acquiring a forward are likely pushed into a 7/3 forcing them to expose a dman they don’t want to.

The most efficient strategy is to do a 7/3 and any excess grab draft picks that you don’t have to protect.

Pick your 3 best dman and trade anyone else with value.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

Harpers Hair,

He’s a W. Has been for the past 4 years, at least.

Victoria Oil

Brett Brochu looks like a undiscovered gem. One of the youngest players in the draft. SP of .919, GAA of 2.40 and a 32-6 win-loss record. I’d take him in the 5th, if available, as LT suggests.

Material Elvis

Ryan: I haven’t spent much time looking at the draft list.

Following LT’s rule of starting with the math…

OHL then WHL numbers are loud voices that are too difficult to ignore.

I always have a hard time with Euro league and US college numbers.

– Lundell has slightly better luggage ppg than Puljujarvi, but JP wasn’t drafted 3rd OV for his Liiga numbers.

– Lapierre makes men nervous… it’s always hard to read a player injured early in his draft year. I don’t even know what the injury was..

– By the numbers Quinn and Jarvis look spectacular and both appear to be shooters. If we draft either, we’ll have a rightorium on RW and more of a sanatorium on LW, but that’s ok.

– Holloway makes me nervous both because the offense looks shy and he’s a Kenny Holland player type.

– Askarov. I don’t know anything about goalies. Godot mention uncertain development timeline. We have a dire need for cheap skilled forwards and no second round pick for two years…

Lundell is going to be a rock solid 3C. He’s a perfect organizational fit if you ignore his LH shot. Great on face-offs, defensively responsible and has offensively ability.

Askarov, if he is the next great goalie, would be the best choice but goalies are unpredictable and he likely won’t be a starter for 4-5 years.

Jack Quinn’s numbers look good but he was days away from the 18-19 draft. He basically played as an 18 year old all season. His draft -1 numbers are pedestrian.

Of those guys, I would do Zary, then Lundell, then Quinn, then Askarov.

Harpers Hair

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
Harpers Hair,

He’s a W. Has been for the past 4 years, at least.

Highly likely Tippet would deploy him at 3C.

There isn’t anyone else.

Material Elvis

Material Elvis: Lundell is going to be a rock solid 3C.He’s a perfect organizational fit if you ignore his LH shot.Great on face-offs, defensively responsible and has offensively ability.

Askarov, if he is the next great goalie, would be the best choice but goalies are unpredictable and he likely won’t be a starter for 4-5 years.

Jack Quinn’s numbers look good but he was days away from the 18-19 draft.He basically played as an 18 year old all season.His draft -1 numbers are pedestrian.

Of those guys, I would do Zary, then Lundell, then Quinn, then Askarov.

I meant Seth Jarvis, not Zary.

Ryan

For the record, I’m not day drinking.

I’m getting owned by the loss of the edit button.

And I am borrowing Woodguy’s phone.

Harpers Hair

Ryan:
For the record, I’m not day drinking.

I’m getting owned by the loss of the edit button.

And I am borrowing Woodguy’s phone.

If you have an issue with day drinking you need to re-examine your priorities.🤗

Ryan

Ryan,

* our first round draft pick, not the number one pick OV.

Munny

godot10:
For a guy who could have been drafted last year, but for a day or two, Quinn’s stats are not particularly impressive.

He doesn’t blow me away either.

OriginalPouzar

I’m going to require both the St. Louis Blues and Dallas Stars to get their respective shit together today.

I don’t have a ton of confidence in the stars as, aside from their pair of elite d-man, I don’t think they are that good but the damn Blues need to up their give a shit level – it seems to rival the Oilers thus far.

OriginalPouzar

Lowetide: 75

Provide 5 reasons why its not below 75% and why the first isn’t traded for a top 6 winger instead.

Actually – make it 8 reasons.

Munny

Re: Larsson of the Johan ilk:

jp: Larsson is pretty good at face-offs though.

I wanted to look into this more deeply because FO percentages can fool us… especially if it is a bottom sixer who is seeing some sheltering.

Here is a list of players Larsson had better than 50 percent against, minimum 5 FOs total:

35 Pierre-Luc Dubois 84.6% 11 13
36 Christoffer Ehn 83.3% 5 6
37 Mathew Barzal 80.0% 4 5
38 Chan Stephenson 75.0% 3 4
38 Boone Jenner 75.0% 6 8
38 Mikael Backlund 75.0% 6 8
38 Jay Beagle 75.0% 3 4
38 Valtteri Filppula 75.0% 3 4
43 Travis Zajac 66.7% 2 3
43 Tyler Seguin 66.7% 2 3
43 Derek Stepan 66.7% 6 9
43 Riley Nash 66.7% 2 3
43 Justin Abdelkader 66.7% 2 3
43 Christian Dvorak 66.7% 4 6
43 Mike Hoffman 66.7% 2 3
43 Adam Henrique 66.7% 2 3
51 Evgeny Kuznetsov 64.7% 11 17
52 Ryan O’Reilly 60.0% 6 10
52 Paul Stastny 60.0% 3 5
52 Ryan Johansen 60.0% 3 5
55 Phillip Danault 57.1% 8 14
55 Nicklas Backstrom 57.1% 4 7
57 Ryan Strome 55.6% 5 9
57 Andrew Copp 55.6% 5 9
59 Sidney Crosby 54.5% 12 22
59 Tomas Hertl 54.5% 6 11

Was 50 percent against a whack of guys, including AA, Drai, Getzlaf, Stammer, Gaudette, Bonino, Trochek.

Struggled against Tavares, Cirelli, Matthews, McDavid, Malkin, Krejci, Bergeron, j. Staal, Pageau, Scheifele, Zibanejad, Barkov, and Brayden Point (who owns his soul, JL went 3 for 16).

Took the most face offs against the following (top 10):

1 Sidney Crosby 54.5% 12 22
2 John Tavares 38.1% 8 21
3 Evgeni Malkin 44.4% 8 18
4 Evgeny Kuznetsov 64.7% 11 17
5 Brayden Point 18.8% 3 16
5 Aleksander Barkov 25.0% 4 16
7 Phillip Danault 57.1% 8 14
7 Steven Stamkos 50.0% 7 14
9 Pierre-Luc Dubois 84.6% 11 13
10 Auston Matthews 36.4% 4 11

By Zone:

Offensive zone 44.7% 51.1% 103 1.7 46 57
Defensive zone 45.8% 48.9% 349 5.6 160 189
Neutral zone 53.7% 50.0% 216 3.5 116 100

Pretty impressive resume since he’s seeing 4th line ice time. Also clearly in an old school shutdown role and not really expected to provide any offense.

Now we’ll hit POST, and see how this formatting holds up without an EDIT button lol. Apologies if it comes out all jambalaya.

OriginalPouzar

Ryan:
Given the up coming Kraken expansion draft, our cap troubles, and the immense talent available at 14, I myself hope we don’t trade the pick and draft a forward.

Holland has already mentioned that he traded two seconds at the deadline because he wanted to keep the first. Now it’s even more valuable thanks to an early exit and Covid-19.

We were clamoring (overused word intentionally) for Barzal when he had 58 GP: 27-61-88 (1.52 ppg).in the WHL.

Now we have options like Quinn (1.44 ppg) OHL and Seth Jarvis 58: 42-56-98 (1.69 ppg) in the WHL and some are talking about trading the pick or drafting a goalie.

What was it that Einstein said about insanity…

Without speaking to taking a forward if Askarov is there (as I just don’t know), I absolutely agree with the rest.

Sure, if there is a “can’t say no” deal there for the 14th (like, say, Ehlers and a 2nd for the 14th, Puljujarvi and Russell), sure, make the deal but the current salary cap implications (if Russell/Neal aren’t being sent away in the trade) and the expansion draft implications make the trade of the expansion draft exempt asset that has a very good chance to be a big value contract during its ELC, a very high diligence trade to make.

striker

OriginalPouzar: Provide 5 reasons why its not below 75% and why the first isn’t traded for a top 6 winger instead.

Actually – make it 8 reasons.

😂

Munny

godot10: Mikael Granlund is this years model of JT Miller, and he is a UFA.One doesn’t need to trade the #14.Not quite as good, mid-prime, rather than early prime.

He has pretty much played wing in 3 of the last 4 years and in the other year split his time.

Harpers Hair
godot10

Harpers Hair: Pretty expensive 3C

JT Miller is a pretty expensive 3C too, you know. Like Miller, Granlund can and will play LW.

Munny

The five Cs for the Preds this year, since there seems to be a lot of focus on their players, were:

RyJo
Bonino
Duchene
Sissons
Turris

Munny

godot10: JT Miller is a pretty expensive 3C too, you know.Like Miller, Granlund can and will play LW.

That’s pretty much ALL he’s played in the past four years. He’s not good enough at C to crack the Preds roster in that role.

If you allow Granlund, you have to allow Craig Smith into the conversation.

Signing Granlund is signing a LWer.