Where Is Everybody?

by Lowetide

Ilya Konovalov was injured so unable to perform in a pre-season tournament in Sochi (Daniil Isayev filled in). Konovalov is reportedly fine and ready for the regular season with Lokomotiv. Yaroslavl’s first game in the regular season is September 3.

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JOAKIM NYGARD

He has been loaned to Farjestad BK in the SHL, a team he played seven seasons for before heading to the NHL. He’s a proven scorer at this level posting 21 in 52 SHL games during 2018-19.

TRADE TALK

Fussy Britches has been right in the past and this is an interesting item. The only player who fits is Andrew Cogliano, who can still skate at age 33 and has a contract ($3.25 million) with a season to go. He plays a substantial amount (34.2 percent of his five on five time) against elites according to Puck IQ, delivering 51.40 DFF% and a DFFRelCorsi of 3.4.

He’s not an offensive driver, posting 1.17 points-per-60 while playing with Blake Comeau and Radek Faksa. He went 68, 3-11-14 in 2019-20, those are all five on five numbers with a dozen (3-9-12) primary points. Cogliano-McDavid-Kassian? It’s one online rumor let’s all calm our various appendages. One thing I will say: This does suggest Ken Holland is interested in a two-way forward for the McDavid line, something I suggested here.

What would Dallas want? Well both Andrej Sekera and Roman Polak are unrestricted this summer, so Kris Russell, Adam Larsson or Matt Benning might be of interest. In every trade discussion this summer, I’m going to mention Andreas Athanasiou and Jesse Puljujarvi, although it sounds like JP might be signing here. I’ll also mention Alex Chiasson. Note: Some of these names would require a pick to be added imo, we’re just blue sky here.

IS THIS IDEAL?

Of course not, but then again not every solution is going to be from the “A” list. A year ago, Holland’s solutions were:

  • James Neal for goals and getting out from under the Milan Lucic deal.
  • Alex Chiasson for a veteran winger with some offense.
  • Mike Smith as No. 1A starter.
  • Josh Archibald for 12-15 goals, a checking role and penalty killing.
  • Markus Granlund for 12-15 goals, a checking role and penalty killing.
  • Riley Sheahan for checking center and penalty kill.
  • Joakim Nygard to add speed and two-way play into the top-9 forwards.
  • Tomas Jurco as a possible top-9 forward solution.
  • Gaetan Haas as a long shot checking center.
  • Patrick Russell as a low event fourth line checker.

HOLLAND’S 2020-21 LIST

He’s already underway of course, trading for Andreas Athanasiou was clearly a 2020-21 transaction. Here are the items I think Holland will look at this offseason:

  • No. 1A goalie option. Suspect a free agent, from Holtby to Greiss.
  • Top 4-RHD. I do think Larsson is a candidate for trade, and Holland will need to replace him. Mike Green might have been an option, I think Sami Vatanen or Tyson Barrie might fit here.
  • Two-way winger for McDavid’s line. Andrew Cogliano fits here.
  • No. 3 center. Extremely difficult to find.

Holland’s solutions a year ago helped Edmonton to finish second in the Pacific Division in 2019-20. The Oilers system delivered three exceptional talents (Ethan Bear, Kailer Yamamoto, Caleb Jones) who pushed the team to greater heights. I believe Evan Bouchard, Tyler Benson and William Lagesson can and should have an impact on the 2020-21 campaign, although not at the Bear-Yamamoto-Jones level.

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flea

Watching Vancouver win it’s pretty obvious how important a solid goalie is in the playoffs. No idea on the stats but I watched the Blues dominate large sections of that series, only for their goalie to let in a stinker.

Vancouver played well too, but I think goaltending was the difference in that series.

Lots of good options this summer, gotta try to get one of them to play for the Oilers.

oilfan9911

Question: outside of that one Canada day where “she” was clearly ahead of the curve, has anything that Fussy Britches suggested since come to fruition?

Munny

Wonder what Robert Nilsson is up to these days…

Death By Misadventure

If Adam Larsson’s back can’t be trusted to hold up over a 4 game series, how is it supposed to hold up for 82 games, and then, hopefully, a long playoff run?

Russell isn’t going anywhere. His $4m cap hit has no value with most teams cash strapped and capped out.

The play is therefore to trade Larsson while you can even if it’s for a couple of mid round picks.

This is not ideal but it is what it is. One year of RHD Bear, Bouchard, and Benning is what’s in the cards.

Book it!

Munny

Her britches don’t seem to be particularly fussy from where I’m sitting…

Death By Misadventure

oilfan9911:
Question: outside of that one Canada day where “she” was clearly ahead of the curve, has anything that Fussy Britches suggested since come to fruition?

None. That was the only one as far as I recall.

dessert1111

I agree with the needs list, though I think another D might be a luxury. Goalie is the one that’s an absolute necessity, followed by 3C and a skilled winger.

For trade chips, I’m counting Chiasson, Russell (no value but not necessarily negative value), Neal, Kassian (negative value), Larsson (a bit of value) and Nurse/Klefbom (high value).

I try to move on from Chiasson, Russell and Larsson this summer and Nurse (before he has to be protected) and one of Neal or Kassian next summer.

I think the holes are fillable 12 months from now but it would take some magic or luck to fill them all this summer.

Woogie63

Cogliano is going to cost a NHL defenseman AND a draft pick? 33 years old $3.25M contract who delivered 14 points, to be a one year solution for a McDavid line?

There is lots of stress on $3.0M for AA, 27 year old, proven 15-20 goal scorer.

I can’t see McDavid’s agent aligning with his agent getting worse line mates than Driasaitl is gifted.

Death By Misadventure

I think the play for this offseason is to mostly keep the powder dry. 2020-21 season is a huge question mark and major unknowns about the cap, expension draft, AHL playing etc.

Don’t buy out Neal, don’t commit major money to a UFA, don’t trade big pieces from the current roster.

When things settle down after the 2020-21 season, when Neal has burned another years off his contract, Russell falls off the cap, etc and more clarity is had, then go for it.

Munny

Woogie63: Cogliano is going to cost a NHL defenseman AND a draft pick? 33 years old $3.25M contract who delivered 14 points, to be a one year solution for a McDavid line?

I will lose my shit uf that’s the way it shakes down.

Trading Cogs would sheerly be a cap dump for the Stars with few outs for them as far as other dance partners go… and we’re going to pay for the pleasure? For Cogliano? At 3.25?

Lunacy.

Ryan

There’s plenty of old axioms that have been lost in the thought process in discussions here.

We used to collectively obsess over the salary structure of the team.

I am asking, where is that obsession now, lol?

There was an axiom that the forth line should cost absolutely nothing while playing low event hockey. Ideally, these players should be serviceable on the PK.

Teams like Tampa still adhere to that…

Our salary structure has some issues with overpaid vets in the bottom six.

I think AA is too expensive for the 3L position…

Another favorite lost axiom of mine pertained to goaltending.

You either pay for an elite goalie or you go cheap as possible to create cap advantages elsewhere on the roster.

The idea being that there’s an inefficiency in which teams vastly overpay for average goaltending.

Hello Koskinen.

Munny

Munny: uf

*Finnish for “if”.

JimmyV1965

Munny: I will lose my shit uf that’s the way it shakes down.

Trading Cogs would sheerly be a cap dump for the Stars with few outs for them as far as other dance partners go… and we’re going to pay for the pleasure?For Cogliano?At 3.25?

Lunacy.

Trading for Cogliano would mean moving someone like Russell. No one is giving up actual assets for Cogs now.

leadfarmer

Cogliano for Russell. Ok I can live with that
Anything else heck no with that contract
If you find yourself in cap hell stop digging deeper

Munny

JimmyV1965: so Kris Russell, Adam Larsson or Matt Benning might be of interest. In every trade discussion this summer, I’m going to mention Andreas Athanasiou and Jesse Puljujarvi, although it sounds like JP might be signing here. I’ll also mention Alex Chiasson. Note: Some of these names would require a pick to be added imo, we’re just blue sky here.

Did you read the article?

so Kris Russell, Adam Larsson or Matt Benning might be of interest. In every trade discussion this summer, I’m going to mention Andreas Athanasiou and Jesse Puljujarvi, although it sounds like JP might be signing here. I’ll also mention Alex Chiasson. Note: Some of these names would require a pick to be added imo, we’re just blue sky here.

And my response was to Woogie: a dman and a pick was his rumination. I’m pointing out that I don’t like that. Do you?

Munny

Six team no trade list for Cogliano… the player who finished 15th in Stars scoring, behind luminaries Corey Perry, Dickinson, Comeau, Janmark, three defensemen,..

GordieHoweHatTrick

flea:
Watching Vancouver win it’s pretty obvious how important a solid goalie is in the playoffs. No idea on the stats but I watched the Blues dominate large sections of that series, only for their goalie to let in a stinker.

Vancouver played well too, but I think goaltending was the difference in that series.

Lots of good options this summer, gotta try to get one of them to play for the Oilers.

Yes. There are some viable options, not Holtby please and thank you.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Munny:
Her britches don’t seem to be particularly fussy from where I’m sitting…

A tad distracting.

Beat It Square

I wonder if she might mean David Perron?

Munny

Lowetide: Some of those names would require a draft pick sent

i can’t see a single name listed where I would add a draft pick to acquire Cogliano. I think it would be madness for our Gm to do so.

Munny

Beat It Square:
I wonder if she might mean David Perron?

Now that I check the time stamp on the Tweet, that fits.

Munny

Perron is $4 mill for two more seasons, has a 5 team NTC.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Woogie63:
Cogliano is going to cost a NHL defenseman AND a draft pick?33 years old $3.25M contract who delivered 14 points, to be a one year solution for a McDavid line?

There is lots of stress on $3.0M for AA, 27 year old, proven 15-20 goal scorer.

I can’t see McDavid’s agent aligning with his agent getting worse line mates than Driasaitl is gifted.

Yeah, that leaves kind of a fecal taste in my mouth. I like the player, but not that much. Wouldn’t Ennis at 1.2-ish be a better option to have in the mix?
I am down with LT’s suggestion for “2 way wingers” for McD but I think they have to aim a little higher….

dustrock

oilfan9911:
Question: outside of that one Canada day where “she” was clearly ahead of the curve, has anything that Fussy Britches suggested since come to fruition?

She’s tied in with someone, u always thought maybe friends with Katz’s son (As per Garfield).

She definitely called Jokinen to LA for Cammalleri right before it happened and that wasn’t a rumor anywhere.

GordieHoweHatTrick

Ryan:
There’s plenty of old axioms that have been lost in the thought process in discussions here.

We used to collectively obsess over the salary structure of the team.

I am asking, where is that obsession now, lol?

There was an axiom that the forth line should cost absolutely nothing while playing low event hockey. Ideally, these players should be serviceable on the PK.

Teams like Tampa still adhere to that…

Our salary structure has some issues with overpaid vets in the bottom six.

I think AA is too expensive for the 3L position…

Another favorite lost axiom of mine pertained to goaltending.

You either pay for an elite goalie or you go cheap as possible to create cap advantages elsewhere on the roster.

The idea being that there’s an inefficiency in which teams vastly overpay for average goaltending.

Hello Koskinen.

Good points. When you’re trying to piece together Humpty Dumpty for a year or so, I think looking at line costs, rather than individual player costs should be a consideration when looking at salary. In an ideal situation we know where one wants to spend the money: Top 6, 3C, Top 4 D 1AAA goalie. While we should start as we mean to go, I am not sure the ideal fit for 3C is there this year (unless Ryan Strome wants to come back). Ha.Ha.Ha.Sniff.

I am not totally advocating AA as 3LW but slight overpay for wingers on the 3rd line to compensate a less than ideal 3C shouldn’t be out of question, particularly if the 3Ws can have spot time in the top 6.

I agree the Oilers have not been able to figure out goaltending for about 20 years, and the other night I posted some stats highlighting their propensity to drop it like its cold as soon as the boat rocks a little bit with respect to Cam Talbot and Devan Dubnyk. They seem to overpay for middling goaltending rather than make one of the choices you suggest…

godot10

Woogie63:

I can’t see McDavid’s agent aligning with his agent getting worse line mates than Driasaitl is gifted.

Crosby has always let Malkin have the better wingers.

Taking Nugent-Hopkins away from Draisaitl cost the Oilers the play-in round.

Nugent-Hopkins is a better fit with Draisaitl, because his offensive skills are maximized.

McDavid needs less gifted wingers, because he needs guys to do the checking and play the 200-ft game that he doesn’t.

Woogie63

godot10: Crosby has always let Malkin have the better wingers.

Taking Nugent-Hopkins away from Draisaitl cost the Oilers the play-in round.

Nugent-Hopkins is a better fit with Draisaitl, because his offensive skills are maximized.

McDavid needs less gifted wingers, because he needs guys to do the checking and play the 200-ft game that he doesn’t.

I liked 93-29-56 as well.

McDavid deserves and his agent will demand a more complete line for his client. Kassian has “fallen asleep” for big parts of the season every year he has played – maybe you can’t be that rumbustious every game, but …. 44 is ultimately a part-time power forward, and who on the other wing? Orr will demand nice things for his client.

Clarkenstein

godot10: Crosby has always let Malkin have the better wingers.

Taking Nugent-Hopkins away from Draisaitl cost the Oilers the play-in round.

Nugent-Hopkins is a better fit with Draisaitl, because his offensive skills are maximized.

McDavid needs less gifted wingers, because he needs guys to do the checking and play the 200-ft game that he doesn’t.

Clarkenstein

Four sentences here… all 100% correct.
We’re down to a Cogliano rumour about coming back here? LT consider this a reprimand. Next time could result in suspension!!

Glovjuice

Crosby – Mozart level. As is McDavid. Well maybe Beethoven. Not so sure though as Crosby and McDavid have accomplished massive amounts at a young age like Mozart (he died at 35). And, the Oilers are fucking it up. Anyway, heading to William A. Switzer and Rock Lake tomorrow (Rock lake is a journey so can’t wait for our six-year old to experience it). As good as Alberta gets for epic lake experiences.

leadfarmer

Perron would be very nice.
Don’t know why St. Louis trades him unless Pietrangelo is gone Tarasenkos shoulder fell off for good and Oreilly is unhappy again and they say screw it all
But a guy can dream

OriginalPouzar

KHL starts in like less than two weeks – Maksimov, Samorukov, Konovalov – can Denezhkin work his way and get a call up during the season?

SHL exhibition underway – so many to keep aprised of – Berglund, Broberg, Nygard, Lavoie (hopefully).

Liiga exhibition rolling – Puljujarvi, Niemalainan

At least we’ll have some Oiler hockey to keep appraised of this fall/early winter.

OriginalPouzar

Fussy Britches has been right in the past.

Fussy Britches has been wrong so many more times than right – so many – I put little regard.

OriginalPouzar

I would be just fine with Cogliano and Kassian as wingers on an Oilers’ line – not the first line – the third line.

Cogs is a defensive specialist now that adds speed. I would rather have Nygard, Benson, AA, etc. on McDavid’s left wing than Cogliano. I would rather have Neal given at bats there than Cogliano.

I would rather try Benson/McDavid/Puljujarvi than Cogliano.

Fuge Udvar

Hopefully the conversation starts at Cogliano and finishes at Faksa. He could anchor a 3rd line with a couple skill wingers. He came in 7th for Selke voting a couple years ago

OriginalPouzar

McCurdy mentioned Kris Russell for Rantta and, if Rusty is willing, that does make some sense.

Arizona has Hill to fill in as back up and I think they will try and move Hjalmarsson and his $5M cap hit.

Rusty could fill their 3LD hole, cap neutral with Rannta, but for lower cash outlay.

Pescador

Munny:
Perron is $4 mill for two more seasons, has a 5 team NTC.

I’ll guess:
Edm, Cgy, Buff, Ott, Wpg.
Possible alternates Fla Minn

Beat It Square

Lowetide,

My mistake. Sorry gents.

leadfarmer

OriginalPouzar:
McCurdy mentioned Kris Russell for Rantta and, if Rusty is willing, that does make some sense.

Arizona has Hill to fill in as back up and I think they will try and move Hjalmarsson and his $5M cap hit.

Rusty could fill their 3LD hole, cap neutral with Rannta, but for lower cash outlay.

That was my suggestion from a few weeks ago
Don’t see Raanta returning to the Coyotes
They will try and shed salary

dessert1111

Taylor Fedun, on his fifth NHL team where he splits time between majors and minors, often moreso the latter, is playing third pair on a team in the second round.

I still remember hearing a yell as I watched him be tripped awkwardly on that icing race. Good for him to have come back all this way and keep going. I hope he makes it to 200 NHL games before he’s done.

Harpers Hair

Interesting that 7 of the top 10 playoff scoring leaders are 24 or under.

Who suggested the best ones arrive early?

Ryan

flea: Vancouver

I don’t pay much attention to Vancouver, but it’s interesting to look at their lines.

I started looking at the bottom six and bottom pairing to see the soft under belly of the Canucks.

Adam Gaudette is listed as their 3rd line centre. 5th round draft pick from 2015!!! Right handed!!!

12 goals and 33 points in 59 games. Woodmoney suggest he’s sheltered.

That’s a nice 3c for $917k

Potato, who’s laughing now?

Rousel and Sutter flanking Gaudette, both have terrible contracts. $3m cap for Rousel (2 more years left to run) and $4.375 (1 more year left).

The 4C is the $3m Beagle two more years left to run on his contract. He is already 34. That’s a stinker of a contract

Motte and Virtanen are priced appropriately for a 4rth line. Virtanen is certainly value for $1.25 m

Certainly problem contracts:

Eriksson $6 m x 2 more years
Beagle $3m x 2 more years
Rousel $3m x 2 more years
Sutter $4.375 x 1 more year
Baertschi $2.29

That’s $18.7m in boat anchor contracts

They’re sure lucky they have both Peterson at $925 + bonuses on his ELC and Hughes at $917 + bonuses on his ELC.

If Vancouver had been so aggressive signing all of those stupid contracts (Beagle, Rousel, and Eriksson), they’d be cooking with gas next season.

Ryan

Ryan,

oh I miss that edit button.

* If Vancouver hadn’t been so aggressive…

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual
Material Elvis

Harpers Hair:
Interesting that 7 of the top 10 playoff scoring leaders are 24 or under.

Who suggested the best ones arrive early?

I’ll guess LT…

Material Elvis

Harpers Hair,

Or Woodguy. Can’t forget Ricki! That guy has thought of *everything* first.