Echoes Down the Canyon

by Lowetide

Do you remember some of the things that were written in the comments section of this blog about Kailer Yamamoto last August? He didn’t get into any preseason games and received an advance token to Bakersfield early. I would wager many of you reading this felt the Yamamoto pick had a good chance to be a wasted first rounder. Now. Can we apply that memory with today’s discussion and grow as an online community?

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YAMAMOTO AND EBERLE

As we’ve discussed before, Yamamoto has been ‘in the range’ with Eberle in four of these seasons. I don’t think he’ll have Eberle’s career, but if he spends the 2020’s with 97 or 29 at center, he might outscore him.

The best moment so far in Yamamoto’s career is that Dave Tippett put him on a skill line when he was recalled. That spot should have been Jesse Puljujarvi’s, but the young man was in Finland. Timing is everything. Opportunity missed.

TYLER BENSON VS. RYAN SPOONER

Lots of downbeat verbal about Benson, but his season in Bakersfield had some positives. He led the Condors in points per game, in power-play points and would have exceeded 50 points in a complete season. The left wing depth chart currently (signed or RFA) is Nuge, Athanasiou, Neal, Nygard and Benson. His cap hit, the late audition and a solid summer camp have him in a good spot.

COOPER MARODY VS. DEVIN SHORE

Marody’s career suffered a setback via injuries and we may never see him reach the potential suggested by that rookie AHL season. He did look good in the summer camp and he is a righty who can play center (although I’m not sure the organization sees him as a pivot).

SUMMARY

I expect we’ll see a post this morning that says “Benson will have a great career—in Switzerland!” but I’m hoping we can have a serious conversation about these men and others in the prospect group. Comparable players have enjoyed NHL careers, and the three forwards listed here have some things on their resumes that make them worthy of discussion. Thoughtful posts on the subject appreciated.

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dustrock

Athanasiou will have a great career – in Switzerland!

John Chambers

I think it’ll have been helpful for Benson and especially Marody to have spent the (short) time in the bubble with the NHL squad.

The bar has been set for these two players. The coaches and players are now familiar with them, and it’s clear there’s an avenue to make the club if they can make a big next step.

Nobody progresses in a straight line, but these guys could easily be on the playoff roster in 2021.

Munny

Good piece on Haula, Woodguy.

He didn’t really have me convinced going in from the numbers I’ve looked at… and the ticket, despite no trade cost, was looking pricey.

Nice to have some confirmation.

jtblack

VGS – DEEEEEEEEEEEP Team. Cousins, Roy & Carrier are a few VGS players who play 3rd / 4th line. They seem to be excellent at puck possession, forechcecking, overall skill and just good at the Hockeying.

So to me its not just about Benson making the team. ITS about Benson making the team and helping his line win their minutes.

I still have a lingering voice in my head reminding me about his skating.

LT: who are comparable “poor” skater / high skill players that have delivered an NHL career?

Munny

meh… Marody will have the Swiss career.

Benson is at least good enough for the K or SHL…

😉

Munny

jtblack,

Benson isn’t a poor skater, he’s just merely average.

Cooper on the other hand…

Munny

Here is a re-post of the link to WG’s work on Haula, for those who missed it:

https://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2020/09/edmonton-oilers-3rd-line-center-search.html

leadfarmer

Arizona was reportedly late on their bonus payments
This after being late with lunch money
Probably close to selling everything that isn’t tacked down

OriginalPouzar

Ryan McLeod loaned to EV Zug of the Swiss league to start the year.

Awesome!

doritogrande

Benson appears to be at the same kind of crossroads that young MA Pouliot was once at. Does he have the mental fortitude to accept he wont make it as a top-6 guy and commit to a checking role where he can put his high level vision to occasional uses? Pouliot couldn’t make this connection and had a career in Europe.

Andrew Cogliano however, accepted his place after a trade and still works a regular role in the best league on the planet.

Todd Macallan

OriginalPouzar:
Ryan McLeod loaned to EV Zug of the Swiss league to start the year.

Awesome!

That is terrific news.

jtblack

Munny:
Here is a re-post of the link to WG’s work on Haula, for those who missed it:

https://becauseoilers.blogspot.com/2020/09/edmonton-oilers-3rd-line-center-search.html

After reading thru the analysis last night, I pass on Haula. Belive there are better options at less $$

jtblack

Munny:
jtblack,

Benson isn’t a poor skater, he’s just merely average.

Cooper on the other hand…

if we took a poll, I do not beleive the majority was have Benson as an average NHL skater …… he’s not. He is a below average skater

pts2pndr

Benson was at one point an elite player for his age group. Due to injuries his progress stalled for a couple of years. He may never realize the potential that was there prior to his injuries but by what I have observed the young man is a warrior. He is deserving of a NHL career due to his perseverance and work ethic alone! I believe that his hockey IQ, ability to read and react and board work are at or above NHL level. His skating while not elite is good enough in my opinion that given his other strengths and his perseverance in the face of adversity this young man will have an NHL career. He has earned a chance and has my utmost respect due to his personal qualities. He is very easy to cheer for!

jtblack

pts2pndr:
Benson was at one point an elite player for his age group. Due to injuries his progress stalled for a couple of years. He may never realize the potential that was there prior to his injuries but by what I have observed the young man is a warrior. He is deserving of a NHL career due to his perseverance and work ethic alone! I believe that his hockey IQ, ability to read and react and board work are at or above NHL level. His skating while not elite is good enough in my opinion that given his other strengths and his perseverance in the face of adversity this young man will have an NHL career. He has earned a chance and has my utmost respect due to his personal qualities. He is very easy to cheer for!

+1

Woogie63

Clearly some of these play-off contributors were traded for other parts, but there is no doubt, growing up in the Edmonton system(s) is tough on young men. (Are there more than 10?)

Taylor Hall – Larsson
Andrew Cogliano – Marco Roy
Taylor Fedun – nothing
Tyler Pitlick -nothing
Drake Caggiula -Manning
Erik Gustafsson- nothing
Jordan Eberle -Strome
Jeff Petry – a 2nd and 5th = nothing
Riley Nash – nothing
John Marino -6th round pick

pts2pndr

leadfarmer:
Arizona was reportedly late on their bonus payments
This after being late with lunch money
Probably close to selling everything that isn’t tacked down

There is much riding on a regular season for 20/21. If it gets cancelled with a reset to normal Oct start for 21/22 there may be a retraction in the number of teams. There are still a number of uncertainties that may or may not come into play.

Brantford Boy

LT: “Now. Can we apply that memory with today’s discussion and grow as an online community?
Thoughtful posts on the subject appreciated.”

I doubt it, we’re too stubborn… but here goes…

Yamamoto… I too was beginning to doubt him earlier in the year… when someone is so bold as to say “if you don’t draft me, you’ll regret it” in a draft interview that shows confidence. This confidence was on display in full in his ‘break out half season’. I hope Kailer has a ‘break out full season’ in 20-21, but he was stiffled (along with the rest of the team) in the play in series. I agree he is no Eberle but if he pots 30 I doubt many people will care.

Marody… I’ve always like the player, but the parade to the penalty box, noting “most” of the calls were soft against him created a ‘break in case of emergency’ stigma about real use with the big club. IF he’s healthy he can help the team… full stop.

Benson… we’ve been tracking this player for what seems like forever. He is a highly intelligent player, probably suited for bottom six duties. I feel once the player realizes this and his actual role moving forward his effectiveness will increase 10 fold. He did look good on the 3rd line at the end of the regular season and those passes were on display.

So we want a 3rd line centre… is Marody an in house stop gap solution before Ryan McLeod eats his lunch in 21-22? I think many of us feel we should aim higher, however if we sign say Haula for 3 years are we now blocking McLeod from entering the league?

Fuge Udvar

I remember Yamamoto being shit on daily for a long time..

The optimist in me says that Benson has finally figured out his pelvis issue and it wasn’t at 100 percent

The pessimist in me says it may never get to 100 percent

Brantford Boy

pts2pndr,

Good post… what this reminds me of is Bo Horvat from Vancouver. He came into the league and the speed overwhelmed him. In the off-season he got some female Olympic skating coach to work with over the summer. They just worked on his first 3 strides and developing it into explosive speed. I have to think, if you want to play in the bigs, you have to have the desire to do whatever it takes… so although a warrior, doing some significant off-season training as per Bear, would go a long way with Benson. Hell we have the fastest player on the planet, maybe ask for some pointers.

Woogie63

Lowetide,

Marincin – for nothing

Final answer

BornInAGretzkyJersey

jtblack,

And yet Benson makes it to the right place more often than not. Bizarre for a guy with poor skating.

It’s not as bad as some would have you believe, while not being elite. That’s okay.

To me he needs to learn to be more of a threat to score instead of always passing.

Woogie63

Hall-McDavid-Eberle
Hopkins-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
Cogliano-Nash-Puljarjari
Caggiula-Khaira-Pitlick
Benson-P. Russell

Gustafsson-Petry
Nurse-Bear
Kleblom-Marino
Jones

Dubynk
Brossoit

Might be ok??

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Munny,

Agree.

I’m now more on the J. Larsson train than previously. Tasty cap savings too.

buck yoakam

pts2pndr,

Totally agree…I also am cheering for the lad…we must continue to draft and develop and give the kids at least change to prove their value!

Jaxon

Woogie63:
Clearly some of these play-off contributors were traded for other parts, but there is no doubt, growing up in the Edmonton system(s) is tough on young men.(Are there more than 10?)

Taylor Hall – Larsson
Andrew Cogliano – Marco Roy
Taylor Fedun – nothing
Tyler Pitlick -nothing
Drake Caggiula -Manning
Erik Gustafsson- nothing
Jordan Eberle -Strome
Jeff Petry – a 2nd and 5th = nothing
Riley Nash – nothing
John Marino -6th round pick

Tobias Reider – Kale Kessy

BornInAGretzkyJersey

Was thinking about some UFA RHD options for next season.

Main criteria are handedness, affordability, TOI/gm, and not a green jacket candidate.

Sami Vatanen – salary a concern
Dylan DeMelo – where the hell did he come from? Likely to be resigned by WPG
Justin Braun – salary a concern
Radko Gudas – salary a concern
Korbinian Holzer – value candidate, always liked his style but likely 5D at best
Trevor van Reimsdyk – salary a concern, likely 5D at best

Actually not a bad year to be shopping for a RHD in the UFA market. Perhaps there is room to move Larsson for a 3C and sign someone for 2RD duties on a 1-3 year contract.

BornInAGretzkyJersey

BornInAGretzkyJersey,

I neglected to include

Zach Bogosian

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

BornInAGretzkyJersey:
Munny,

Agree.

I’m now more on the J. Larsson train than previously.Tasty cap savings too.

Welcome to the right side of history, brother 😉

Jordan

Woogie63,

Jaxon,

Lowetide,

Has the entire Oilogosphere completely forgotten about Nail Yakupov…?

He’s the poster boy for wasted asset here. How many 1st OV draft picks are out of the league like that so soon after being drafted? I mean, I understand that thinking about him is painful, but… Purple elephants in the room need to be point d out.

jp

Munny:
Good piece on Haula, Woodguy.

He didn’t really have me convinced going in from the numbers I’ve looked at… and the ticket, despite no trade cost, was looking pricey.

Nice to have some confirmation.

Agreed it was a great write up, and that Haula isn’t the ideal “fit”. I’d still choose Haula if the price were comparable though (it probably won’t be).

It’s a choice between a better Sheahan or a 3rd line that provides some offense. A significant change in how the team is built. It will be an interesting tell if Holland shops more in the Haula aisle than the Larsson aisle.

JOFA

OriginalPouzar:
Ryan McLeod loaned to EV Zug of the Swiss league to start the year.

Awesome!

Is Schremp on the plane with him?

JOFA

buck yoakam:
pts2pndr,

Totally agree…I also am cheering for the lad…we must continue to draft and develop and give the kids at least change to prove their value!

How much change do you figure we should give him?

buck yoakam

JOFA,

enough to get a bus to the airport …at least…sorry dad , the kids just won’t listen….the pilot of that plane is Gary Unger and I believe we have you scheduled for inflight entertainment!…is it too early to start drinking?…asking for a friend

JOFA

buck yoakam:
JOFA,

enough to get a bus to the airport …at least…sorry dad , the kids just won’t listen….the pilot of that plane is Gary Unger and I believe we have you scheduled for inflight entertainment!…is it too early to start drinking?…asking for a friend

Him them early and often Sparky😄

Bag of Pucks

One of the things that stands out for me about VGK is what an exceptionally well conditioned team they are. They are just relentless in wearing down the other team with pace. The Canucks were absolutely exhausted by Game 7.

I don’t know if McPhee acquired a bunch of players with stelllar VO2Max or if they practice exceptionally hard or their diet and conditioning coaching is off the charts or all of the above, but the Oilers need to be spygating this in the bubble asap.

OriginalPouzar

I’m not sure why Yamamoto cannot have an “Eberle career” – Kailer matched Eberle’s 21 year old season (which was Eberle’s second NHL season and Kailer’s first – took Kailer an extra half year to arrive) but Eberle toped out that year and never hit that offensive peak again.

Yes, Kailer’s season wasn’t “full” and he did play with Drai (although Eberle had Nuge and Hall that year).

I’m not saying that Kailer will be a PPG for the rest of his career but he very well may be and Eberle wasn’t.

With that said, clearly the Oilers need to trade down to 22 and get a 2nd rounder.

They are aces at 22.

Gerta Rauss

Thoughts on KRusty for Jason Demers..?

The cap hits are a push – hockey acumen aside, the transaction saves ARZ $1.6M in salary

At this point, ARZ might be willing to give him away just to free up money

The you trade Larsson for (insert Oiler requirements here)

tavvey tune

jtblack:
VGS –DEEEEEEEEEEEP Team.Cousins, Roy & Carrier are a few VGS players who play 3rd / 4th line. They seem to be excellent at puck possession, forechcecking, overall skill and just good at the Hockeying.

So to me its not just about Benson making the team. ITS about Benson making the team and helping his line win their minutes.

I still have a lingering voice in my headreminding me about his skating.

LT: who are comparable “poor” skater / high skill players that have delivered an NHL career?

Mark Stone, 6th round pick in 2010

OriginalPouzar

People are down a bit on Benson due to a “regression year” but was it really?

Benson is the type of player that will need to play with other legit skill in order to produce – he’s a smart offensive player and a puck distributer – he’s not a driver or finisher but he has top 6 skill if playing with top 6 skill – he didn’t have much of that in the Bake this past season with Marody hurt.

He did show progression – his second cup of coffee in the NHL markedly better than the first and he showed he can play at the NHL pace.

Not having “plus skating” does not prohibit an NHL career. Half the league does not have “plus skating”.

pts2pndr

Brantford Boy,

Re Yamamoto – my feelings is if the coach puts Yamamoto back with Draisaitl and Nuge all will be okay.
They are for me like a good running three cylinder engine. They read and react off one another and were for an extended period last year the best line in the NHL. Like a three cylinder engine, the line doesn’t run on two cylinders.

jp

Lowetide: Martin Marincin for the win!

AND the team was still paying him this season, sorta.

pts2pndr

buck yoakam,

Totally agree. I think the team is getting much better at the development aspect. I credit this to the very good AHL coaching staff and a reset in priority of the minor league club to development. I also believe that what we see now in development is credit to Holland.

pts2pndr

OriginalPouzar:
I’m not sure why Yamamoto cannot have an “Eberle career” – Kailer matched Eberle’s 21 year old season (which was Eberle’s second NHL season and Kailer’s first – took Kailer an extra half year to arrive) but Eberle toped out that year and never hit that offensive peak again.

Yes, Kailer’s season wasn’t “full” and he did play with Drai (although Eberle had Nuge and Hall that year).

I’m not saying that Kailer will be a PPG for the rest of his career but he very well may be and Eberle wasn’t.

With that said, clearly the Oilers need to trade down to 22 and get a 2nd rounder.

They are aces at 22.

Not sure lightning strikes in the same place twice.😊

pts2pndr

Gerta Rauss:
Thoughts on KRusty for Jason Demers..?

The cap hits are a push – hockey acumen aside, the transaction saves ARZ $1.6M in salary

At this point, ARZ might be willing to give him away just to free up money

The you trade Larsson for (insert Oiler requirements here)

If you can’t get a clean disposal of Russel’s contract this definitely opens up possibilities. Problem is the limit no trade clause of Russel.

jp

Gerta Rauss:
Thoughts on KRusty for Jason Demers..?

The cap hits are a push – hockey acumen aside, the transaction saves ARZ $1.6M in salary

At this point, ARZ might be willing to give him away just to free up money

The you trade Larsson for (insert Oiler requirements here)

Sounds like quite a decent idea.

Tragikomix

Gerta Rauss:
Thoughts on KRusty for Jason Demers..?

The cap hits are a push – hockey acumen aside, the transaction saves ARZ $1.6M in salary

At this point, ARZ might be willing to give him away just to free up money

The you trade Larsson for (insert Oiler requirements here)

It saves 1,1M and Demers is their only RHD, so not probable. But good idea.

Gerta Rauss

pts2pndr: If you can’t get a clean disposal of Russel’s contract this definitely opens up possibilities. Problem is the limit no trade clause of Russel.

Demers has a limited NTC as well, so there’s that

Gerta Rauss

Tragikomix: It saves 1,1M and Demers is their only RHD, so not probable. But good idea.

Oh yeah…PuckPedia has Demers at $2.6M

Capfriendly has his salary at $3.1

nice catch