The Overagers

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There are benefits to drafting overage players, or as they are sometimes called ‘re-entry’ players. You have a better idea about the player, who has matured and is playing a more prominent role. It’s risky, but these men are available later in the draft so there’s a tradeoff somewhere in the middle of the fourth round. I remember the 2015 overage list very well….

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LOWETIDE 2015 OVERAGER LIST

  1. C Andrew Mangiapane. Drafted No. 166 by Calgary. 122 NHL games.
  2. R Conor Garland. Drafted No. 123 by Arizona. 115 NHL games.
  3. D Sebastian Aho. Drafted No. 139 in 2017 by NYI. 22 NHL games.
  4. G Adin Hill. Drafted No. 76 by Arizona. 30 NHL games.
  5. L Dryden Hunt. Signed with Florida. 63 NHL games.
  6. R Karson Kuhlman. Signed by Boston. 36 NHL games

My list was 22 deep and six men made it. Overagers are worth buying later in the draft. Math proves it.

LOWETIDE 2020 OVERAGER LIST

  1. LW Pavel Gogolev, OHL. Now 20, he is fast and has a great shot.
  2. LW Yevgeni Oksentyuk, OHL. Impressive season, under the radar skill winger.
  3. RD Alex Cotton, WHL. Big defenseman with a great shot.
  4. G Nico Daws, OHL. .924 save percentage represents a big performance spike.
  5. RD Billy Constantinou, OHL. Chaos blue made my list last year, worth a late flier.
  6. G Sam Hlavaj, QMJHL. Boasts a .915 save percentage and stands 6.04, 218.
  7. LD Zack Uens, Hockey-East. Prototype for modern NHL blue.
  8. RW Eric Engstrand, SuperElite. Big, fast, scores! Power winger.
  9. LW Gage Goncalves, WHL. Scoring winger added weight and blossomed.
  10. LD Dan Baker, WHL. Huge defender spiked, shutdown type.

I think any of these players is worth drafting, and in the case of the top four on the list, Edmonton would be wise to consider each as a strong option.

OILERS CURRENT ROSTER

No. 1 Goalie: Mikko Koskinen. He has a cap hit of $4.5 million with two more years to go. SP last season was .917, that’s a solid number. The Oilers would love his cap to be $2.0 million but that’s not the case and this isn’t the hill to die on this offseason.

No. 2 Goalie: Not yet known, and this player could be the starter. All kinds of rumours involving Edmonton and Arizona. Stay tuned.

LHD: Oscar Klefbom. He has a $4.167 million contract, three more years, it’s a terrific value deal. He played in 62 games last season, 5-29-34.

LHD Darnell Nurse. Begins a two-year, $5.6 million deal in 2020-21, he had a solid year as a top-4D last season while partnered with Ethan Bear. Scored 5-28-33 in 71 games in 2019-20.

LHD Caleb Jones. He posted 4-5-9 in 43 games, outplayed veteran Russell down the stretch. The question now: Can he play top-4D this year, or next? It’s important because a trade of Klefbom or Nurse this summer will thrust Jones into an important roster role early in his career.

LHD Uncertain. This spot currently belongs to Kris Russell, and things may break this way in the offseason, allowing the Oilers to trade him at the deadline. Ken Holland can deal Russell, get some cap room and place William Lagesson in a position to win the 7D job in training camp. That seems a reasonable idea.

RHD Adam Larsson. I was flummoxed by the trade that brought him here, and now four years later am arguing to keep him. Plays the tough minutes (via Puck IQ) and doesn’t deliver a bunch of offense (49, 1-5-6) but at $4,166,666 entering his final year he is a valuable piece of the team.

RHD Ethan Bear is RFA and likely to get squeezed in his next contract. If his 2019-20 season (71, 5-16-21) is an indication of his career trajectory, Bear is going to be a wealthy man and soon.

RHD Matt Benning is also RFA and may be looking at a cut in salary with the flat cap of 2020 summer. He is rock solid as a third pairing blue, he posted 1-7-8 in 43 games. Like Russell, he is vulnerable. Evan Bouchard is pushing for his job.

LC Connor McDavid posted 64, 34-63-97 totals in a season where he worked hard to make opening night and wasn’t always at ‘Spinal Tap 11’ through no fault of his own. McDavid is impatient for success, that will drive him in the coming season. He’s a $12.5 million cap hit with six more years to go.

LC Leon Draisaitl had a Hart Trophy season (71, 43-67-110) and has now established himself as an impact player in his own right. His cap hit is $8.5 million and there are five seasons to go. Draisaitl down the stretch with Nuge and Yamamoto was a murderer’s row of some distinction. Oilers fans can be heard grumbling even now because coach Dave Tippett split the trio for the Chicago Blackhawks series.

No. 3 C Uncertain. I don’t know who they’re going to acquire, this is a tough nut to crack.

LC Jujhar Khaira. He is an excellent penalty killer and found the range at center late in the season. He is vulnerable to trade in the coming weeks, but he’ll have a job if he makes it to training camp with Edmonton. His contract is $1.2 million, this is his final year of the deal and he’ll be RFA for a final time in 2021 summer.

RC Gaetan Haas who owns a $915,000 contract and some interesting stats after his first NHL season. There’s a player here, an unusual one, he’s kind of a Craig MacTavish special. He scored 5-5-10 in 58 games, I think he could double those totals. Seriously. He could also spend most of the year in the pressbox.

LW Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is in the final season of his contract that pays him $6 million per season. He posted 65, 22-39-61 totals, most of that in the second half on the all-world line with Draisaitl and Yamamoto. On the day the Oilers re-sign him, Edmonton will be well pleased.

LW Andreas Athanasiou is an RFA and is one of the main stories of the offseason. Will Holland sign him? How much and how long? Frank Seravalli mentioned a trade possibility yesterday. He made $3 million last season and scored 11-15-26 in 55 games for two teams.

LW James Neal is in the middle of a contract that pays him $5.75 million for the next three seasons. He scored 19-12-31 in 55 games last season, including 12 on the power play. His PP goals per 60 (4.55) ranked second to Evander Kane among NHL forwards with 100 or more minutes with the man advantage. Jonathan Willis wrote a fascinating article on him for The Athletic (link here) this morning.

LW Joakim Nygard is a burner who showed well before injuries derailed him a year ago. The contract ($875,000) and the numbers (33, 3-6-9) are not indicative of his potential imo. He could be a big surprise, has enough skill to play with the big boys.

RW Zack Kassian begins a new contract ($3.2 million times four) this year, he posted most of his boxcars (59, 15-19-34) in the first half of the season and badly needs to be productive and in the lineup all year to justify the contract. He finished the first half of the 2019-20 season 39, 13-14-27. Can he double that up?

RW Kailer Yamamoto was a revelation when recalled by Edmonton. His numbers in less than a half season (27, 11-15-26) were exceptional, and it’s unfair to expect a point-per-game pace. If he stays healthy and hits 50 points, Oilers fans should be pleased.

RW Josh Archibald (62, 12-9-21) delivered a dozen goals playing mostly on the checking line, and that’s good. While he was on the ice at five on five, the Oilers were outscored 19-36, and that’s bad. Need to clean it up, he has a new two-year deal for $1.5 million.

RW Alex Chiasson scored 65, 11-13-24 in 2019-20, those are good totals. Edmonton outscored opponents 21-19 at five on five when he was on the ice, also good. He will be paid $2.15 million this season and then hit free agency. Productive player.

RW Patrick Russell just signed a new $700,000 deal and represents the final roster spot currently. Oilers were outscored 9-20 when he was on the ice at five on five, and he didn’t contribute much offensively. His role on the team is day-to-day and he could see some AHL time.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, we hit the ground running on the Lowdown. At 10:20, my guest will be Scott Wheeler from The Athletic, we’ll talk 2020 draft and movement late on the big board, plus some 2021 chat. Tomer Azarly from Clutch Points will talk LA Clippers on the morning of Game 7 against the Denver Nuggets. I’ll also chat with Dr. Randy Gregg, the former Oilers defenseman who is part of a major announcement this morning pertaining to Re/Max Field and what you’ll see there next summer. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Lots of rumors swirling everywhere for Edmonton the last little while. I’ve been forming opinions as the names get mentioned (OEL, Murray, etc.). We all get on this site (thanks for the forum LT!) and either agree or disagree with the proposed changes and defend our positions. I kind of had a revelation last night: Just give Holland the trust to make the team better. If that means Klef out, fine.!. If it means trading the first rounder, fine! Whatever it takes to build the team to be better in his mind, fine! We don’t know what the future holds for anything, but at least he’s trying to make changes. If they win, he looks like a genius. And he’s earned the latitude to do anything he sees fit IMO.

    Swing for the fences Kenny! It’s been a long time since anyone around here took that approach.

  2. who says:

    Willis does a good job of stating the case FOR a Neal buyout.
    It’s probably a moot point based on Hollands words, but I especially liked his argument about having some cash to take advantage of buy low opportunities caused by the flat cap.

  3. Brantford Boy says:

    A little Nuge love this morning… and the defense…

    So in the last several off-seasons, Nuge has committed himself to areas he wanted to address. In no particular order, face-offs, gaining weight, wrist shot release, and maybe one timer (although I may be confusing him with Eberle, not sure, anyone?).

    Just spit balling here but many have posted a raise for the Nuge (6.5M-7M). Is it even fathomable to suggest he signs something similar to Eberle coming off his identical contract ($27.5 million, five-year contract that counts $5.5 million against the salary cap)? It may be a reach, however with the flat cap he may not have the upper hand at the table. The thought of Nuge in Oilers silks for 5-6 years at 5.5M pleases me.

    Looking at the defense has me nervous. I know there’s lots of clamoring for a D-man to be moved. Of course as LT suggests (any many others) Russel is the obvious candidate, followed by Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse. Aside from Russel sailing on, I’d really like to see this defense for one more year. If it falls apart, move Larsson at the deadline and get a nice reward. Muzzin got a first round pick, although he had another year on his deal during the trade (I believe), perhaps that’s why the additional players involved in the trade.

    Of course that 3C could most certainly be shored up with a trade of any of the aforementioned defense. Most likely even a two-way top 6 winger… troubled times… not sure what the counter is at on the comment section on the “To rob Peter to pay Paul” but that’s what it seems like to me. I’m sure many would trade Larsson straight up for JT Miller (not that he’s available), would you do the same trade for Brett Connolly?

  4. Eh Team says:

    who: Willis does a good job of stating the case FOR a Neal buyout.
    It’s probably a moot point based on Hollands words, but I especially liked his argument about having some cash to take advantage of buy low opportunities caused by the flat cap.

    Buying out Neal is a no-brainer (which doesn’t mean it will actually happen). It’s not the cap carry forward that is the issue, it’s his actual contract. His worth on the open market < 1/3 of his cap hit so he should be bought out plus it frees up cap space in the short term when it is desperately needed.

  5. Reja says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    Lots of rumors swirling everywhere for Edmonton the last little while.I’ve been forming opinions as the names get mentioned (OEL, Murray, etc.).We all get on this site (thanks for the forum LT!) and either agree or disagree with the proposed changes and defend our positions.I kind of had a revelation last night:Just give Holland the trust to make the team better.If that means Klef out, fine.!.If it means trading the first rounder, fine!Whatever it takes to build the team to be better in his mind, fine!We don’t know what the future holds for anything, but at least he’s trying to make changes.If they win, he looks like a genius.And he’s earned the latitude to do anything he sees fit IMO.

    Swing for the fences Kenny!It’s been a long time since anyone around here took that approach.

    Plus a cool 25 million does pad up the retirement fund a bit.

  6. hunter1909 says:

    Has anyone else heard the rumour that, for the upcoming Finals MacT is planning to stand behind Todd Nelson at the Dallas Bench?

    Will MacT be wearing a mask? Has anyone got information on wearing a mask inside the Hub arena?

  7. who says:

    Eh Team: Buying out Neal is a no-brainer (which doesn’t mean it will actually happen).It’s not the cap carry forward that is the issue, it’s his actual contract.His worth on the open market < 1/3 of his cap hit so he should be bought out plus it frees up cap space in the short term when it is desperately needed.

    I agree.
    I’m also fine with waiting a year. But the argument that a buyout creates more dead cap space has never made sense to me. Neal on the roster at 5.75 million is already dead cap space.

  8. godot10 says:

    who:
    Willis does a good job of stating the case FOR a Neal buyout.
    It’s probably a moot point based on Hollands words, but Iespecially liked his argument about having some cash to take advantage of buy low opportunities caused by the flat cap.

    Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile). Bad contract for bad contract. Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

  9. Fuge Udvar says:

    I still think there is a player in Neal. He was 4th on the team in goals and that doesn’t count for nothing. He’s been on 3 teams in 3 years which is never easy and had that foot issue that is hopefully now 100 percent. If he pots 20 again, i think they can move him with salary retained. Which is infinitely better than paying him 2M till 2026.

  10. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    who: I agree.
    Neal on the roster at 5.75 million is already dead cap space.

    Pretty close to dead-on in my opinion. It’ll come down to whether the 3.8mil in cap savings equates to a player worth 3.8mil more than a potential counterpart. If the decision is between Bozak and J Larsson, I don’t think it’s worth it. However, if it’s the difference between Kuemper+J Larsson and another season of Smith+Sheahan, then abso-fucking-lutely.

  11. Marc says:

    who: I agree.
    I’m also fine with waiting a year. But the argument that a buyout creates more dead cap space has never made sense to me.Neal on the roster at 5.75 million is already dead cap space.

    The argument isn’t that a buy out causes dead cap space this year, it’s that it effectively takes cap space from a future team to give the current team more now.

    It’s this kind of short term thinking that led to the 20/21 Oilers having $4.5M of their cap tied up in dead money in an off season where guys like Killorn and Johnson will be available for picks and cap space.

    Is it really a good hamstring the ability of the 24/25 Oilers so that we can spend more on a 3C this year?

  12. Elgin R says:

    Pavel Gogelev (Feb 2000): 6′-1″ / 180 lbs
    OHL 2019/2020: 6th in pts, 13th in PPG with a 40.4 NHLe.

    Comparison
    Akil Thomas (Jan 2000): 6′ / 180 lbs
    OHL 2019/2020: 11th in pts, 9th in PPG, 45.4 NHLe, drafted 51 in 2018

    Gogelev would be a good bet with a 3rd round pick

  13. who says:

    godot10: Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile).Bad contract for bad contract.Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

    The extra year on the Turris contract is the problem for me.
    I think both players will be bought out before their contracts expire. Which means 2 more years of pain for the team with Turris.

  14. Eh Team says:

    Fuge Udvar: I still think there is a player in Neal. He was 4th on the team in goals and that doesn’t count for nothing. He’s been on 3 teams in 3 years which is never easy and had that foot issue that is hopefully now 100 percent. If he pots 20 again, i think they can move him with salary retained. Which is infinitely better than paying him 2M till 2026.

    Neal’s issue isn’t that he can’t score 20 goals, it’s that he can’t score many of them at 5×5. He’s not adding much to the power play that a Chiasson or someone else can’t provide.

    And Neal for another player isn’t a bad idea if that player is actually any good. But Turris (or Sutter) who can play C, just aren’t very good. I don’t think you are any better off.

  15. PokeCheck says:

    Speaking of buyouts, there’s a reasonable chance that Sekera’s going to win a cup in Edmonton while still on the Oilers payroll. So that’s nice.

  16. who says:

    Fuge Udvar:
    I still think there is a player in Neal. He was 4th on the team in goals and that doesn’t count for nothing. He’s been on 3 teams in 3 years which is never easy and had that foot issue that is hopefully now 100 percent. If he pots 20 again, i think they can move him with salary retained. Which is infinitely better than paying him 2M till 2026.

    4th on the team in goals means nothing to me. Especially when most of those goals came on the PP.
    It’s the same argument people used to justify Lucic as a 1st line player in his first year here. A bunch of powerplay points, but a 4th liner at even strength. Anyone watching him play could see that he was done.
    I saw the same things with Neal last year. The only argument that would sway me is the foot issue, but I think Neal has lost a lot of the things that made him a top 6 forward. He doesn’t score from range anymore and he can’t keep up. Those are 2 red flags for me.

  17. who says:

    Marc: The argument isn’t that a buy out causes dead cap space this year, it’s that it effectively takes cap space from a future team to give the current team more now.

    It’s this kind of short term thinking that led to the 20/21 Oilers having $4.5M of their cap tied up in dead money in an off season where guys like Killorn and Johnson will be available for picks and cap space.

    Is it really a good hamstring the ability of the 24/25 Oilers so that we can spend more on a 3C this year?

    Maybe it is.
    How many more years are McDavid and Draisaitl under contract in 24/25. At some point you have to go for it while they are here.

  18. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Marc:
    Is it really a good hamstring the ability of the 24/25 Oilers so that we can spend more on a 3C this year?

    Depends on what difference that 3.8mil makes to today’s team and how much you’re worried about McDavid demanding a trade if this team doesn’t start making noise. The debate is mostly between a buyout today and a buyout next year so the question becomes:

    Is one season of 3.8mil in extra space worth more to us than one more season of a 1.9mil cap hit in the final year of Draisaitl’s contract?

    I vote yes.

  19. Bobcaygeon says:

    godot10: Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile).Bad contract for bad contract.Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

    I think Nashville plans to buy Turris out, which is far more beneficial to them then taking on Neals contract.
    Look for Turris in the free agent market.

  20. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Bobcaygeon: I think Nashville plans to buy Turris out, which is far more beneficial to them then taking on Neals contract.
    Look for Turris in the free agent market.

    The point is to sell them on trading us Turris and buying out Neal’s contract instead and saving themselves 2 years of buyout while helping us fill a hole for two years before buying him out.

  21. Bobcaygeon says:

    Marc: The argument isn’t that a buy out causes dead cap space this year, it’s that it effectively takes cap space from a future team to give the current team more now.

    It’s this kind of short term thinking that led to the 20/21 Oilers having $4.5M of their cap tied up in dead money in an off season where guys like Killorn and Johnson will be available for picks and cap space.

    Is it really a good hamstring the ability of the 24/25 Oilers so that we can spend more on a 3C this year?

    By the time Neal’s contract hits the Oilers they will have no dead cap space, meaning they can take the Neal hit for help right now, which is the more important need IMO

  22. dustrock says:

    Bobcaygeon: I think Nashville plans to buy Turris out, which is far more beneficial to them then taking on Neals contract.
    Look for Turris in the free agent market.

    Agreed. Get him on a shorter cheaper deal.

  23. Bobcaygeon says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: The point is to sell them on trading us Turris and buying out Neal’s contract instead and saving themselves 2 years of buyout while helping us fill a hole for two years before buying him out.

    Why do that? Turris represents 4M in CAP space to a team that needs CAP space….It’s all about money now, forget what “this” guy might be able to do for us….if it doesn’t make sense for the other team.

  24. Bobcaygeon says:

    dustrock: Agreed. Get him on a shorter cheaper deal.

    Boom!

  25. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors have signed Ryan Stanton and Graham McPhee to AHL deals.

    Good to have Stanton back – he was a good veteran leader for the Condors and they missed him last season.

  26. Harpers Hair says:

    Neal’s shooting percentage last season was 17% while his career average is 12%.

    His high rate was fueled largely by an early season PP heater that is very unlikely to be repeated.

  27. godot10 says:

    Fuge Udvar:
    I still think there is a player in Neal. He was 4th on the team in goals and that doesn’t count for nothing. He’s been on 3 teams in 3 years which is never easy and had that foot issue that is hopefully now 100 percent. If he pots 20 again, i think they can move him with salary retained. Which is infinitely better than paying him 2M till 2026.

    Neal scored most of his goals on the power play, and the power play was worse with Neal on it than with Chiasson on it. So Neal was cannabalizing goals on the power play, rather than maximizing the power play.

    So he was even a negative there.

  28. Fuge Udvar says:

    who,

    Goals are goals. People love to discount them in the analytics era but they are the only stay that counts on the scoreboard.

    As for the analytics.. A pretty decent year. 4.10 CF%rel, -0.10 DFF%rel, all while sporting a career worst 981 PDO.

  29. Reja says:

    who: 4th on the team in goals means nothing to me. Especially when most of those goals came on the PP.
    It’s the same argument people used to justify Lucic as a 1st line player in his first year here. A bunch of powerplay points, but a 4th liner at even strength. Anyone watching him play could see that he was done.
    I saw the same things with Neal last year. The only argument that would sway me is the foot issue, but I think Neal has lost a lot of the things that made him a top 6 forward. He doesn’t score from range anymore and he can’t keep up. Those are 2 red flags for me.

    We must of been watching different play-ins because Neal played and looked like he gave a fuk unlike 3/4 of the rest of the team.

  30. pts2pndr says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: The point is to sell them on trading us Turris and buying out Neal’s contract instead and saving themselves 2 years of buyout while helping us fill a hole for two years before buying him out.

    Trading for Turris leaves you longer term pain. This would be in my opinion counter productive to building and or icing a better team.

  31. Bobcaygeon says:

    dustrock: Agreed. Get him on a shorter cheaper deal.

    This is the play, right here. Your hope is Nashville buys Turris out (they will) then you sign Turris st 2.8 – 3.0 for 2yrs & buy Neal out.
    Savings of 750,000 to Oilers.

  32. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: We must of been watching different play-ins because Neal played and looked like he gave a fuk unlike 3/4 of the rest of the team.

    Neal is still a useful player. It’s not his fault his cap hit is too high. When healthy he is an asset. After the coming season he may have to be bought out due to flat cap but for now he is not a problem.

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: Buying out Neal is a no-brainer (which doesn’t mean it will actually happen).It’s not the cap carry forward that is the issue, it’s his actual contract.His worth on the open market < 1/3 of his cap hit so he should be bought out plus it frees up cap space in the short term when it is desperately needed.

    I can’t agree at all that its a no-brainer for this off-season.

    We don’t need to go through the pros and cons, we know the impact of the buyout on the cap for every year and we know if has immediate and short term benefits but also some medium to long terms negative implications.

    While one may determine that the balance of the two results in an immediate buyout, another may determine that the balance results in staying the course for at least one year.

    There is likely no “right answer” but the person with the better knowledge to make the determination is Ken Holland – he is the one that knows the implications of the buyout on his short and medium term plans, he is the one that better knows what he requires to implement his plan in the short and medium term, etc.

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Was Konovalov an “over-ager” when he was drafted last year? I know he was older. Presumably he was eligible for the 2018 draft?

    I wonder if there is more value in drafting “older goalies” in particular those playing pro hockey over-seas?

  35. Bobcaygeon says:

    OriginalPouzar: I can’t agree at all that its a no-brainer for this off-season.

    We don’t need to go through the pros and cons, we know the impact of the buyout on the cap for every year and we know if has immediate and short term benefits but also some medium to long terms negative implications.

    While one may determine that the balance of the two results in an immediate buyout, another may determine that the balance results in staying the course for at least one year.

    There is likely no “right answer” but the person with the better knowledge to make the determination is Ken Holland – he is the one that knows the implications of the buyout on his short and medium term plans, he is the one that better knows what he requires to implement his plan in the short and medium term, etc.

    This is a blog, kindly take your logic out of here so we can play armchair GM.

    Thanks the blog.

  36. OriginalPouzar says:

    “LHD Caleb Jones. He posted 4-5-9 in 43 games, outplayed veteran Russell down the stretch. The question now: Can he play top-4D this year, or next? It’s important because a trade of Klefbom or Nurse this summer will thrust Jones into an important roster role early in his career.”

    ————————

    In my opinion, the answer to the question is – likely ready for top 4 at some point this year but not ready to play 23-25 minutes per night, night after night, against tough competition and there is likely to be a material drop between either Klefbom or Nurse and Jones if one of the two is traded.

    Would the drop off in the top 4 (and top 4 injury cover) but covered by the increase in the forward or goaltending group that the trade creates? Can’t say but I do know there is risk.

    I don’t see either Klefbom or Nurse moved this off-season. Tough to trade established top 4 mid-20s 23-25 minute per night, leadership group players unless the trade is a massive must-do.

    I do see Jones making such a move a vialble potential next off-season as he does prove to be legit top 4 ready and a “must protect”.

  37. LadiesloveSmid says:

    godot10: Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile).Bad contract for bad contract.Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

    Is Woodguy doing Turris in his series?

  38. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    pts2pndr: Trading for Turris leaves you longer term pain. This would be in my opinion counter productive to building and or icing a better team.

    I wasn’t supporting the notion; just rebutting what I saw as a weak counter argument of “why would Nashville take Neal’s contract instead of buyout Turris?”.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    “LHD Uncertain. This spot currently belongs to Kris Russell, and things may break this way in the offseason, allowing the Oilers to trade him at the deadline. Ken Holland can deal Russell, get some cap room and place William Lagesson in a position to win the 7D job in training camp. That seems a reasonable idea.”

    ——————

    I see no reasonable trade of Kris Russell at the deadline that is conjunction with a successful season.

    Of course, as David Staples likes to say, the “alpha move” is a trade of Rusty in the off-season.

    That may or may not be do-able, however, if he’s on the roster, I see no way that Ken Holland moves the pending free agent at the deadline unless the season has gone off the rails and playoffs are out of the question.

    We say this past February exactly how much Holland values depth on the back-end. The Oilers had depth on the back end and he still went out and acquire more – Mike Green.

    I see no way that he sells veteran depth at the deadline heading in to the playoff push.

  40. LadiesloveSmid says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Was Konovalov an “over-ager” when he was drafted last year?I know he was older.Presumably he was eligible for the 2018 draft?

    I wonder if there is more value in drafting “older goalies” in particular those playing pro hockey over-seas?

    I don’t think you need to declare yourself for the draft since the 2005 lockout. Konovalov would’ve been eligible in 2016. 3x Over ager.

  41. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, Adam Larsson is expensive, yes he has trade value, yes he is one year from UFA, yes there is a top prospect d-man pushing for a spot on the right side. All these things are true. I can get on board with an Adam Larsson trade for value but only if a replacement is brought in.

    A Dylan DeMelo level replacement. There would be too much risk with trading out a top 4 on the right side with no replacement. The top four on the right side includes Bear who has only “proven it” for less than a game and the “subs”, Matt Benning and Evan Bouchard are not nearly as likely to be able to fill in in the top 4 as Caleb Jones on the right side. I do think Matty Benning could be successful in a run with Klef but, to this point, the current coaching staff has been VERY reluctant to give him those at bats.

    How much does DeMelo cost in free agency? Is there even a $2M cap savings from Larsson?

  42. Harpers Hair says:

    CapFriendly Transactions (@CF_Transactions) Tweeted:
    Signed to Standard Contract
    Adin Hill (G) | ARI
    #Yotes

    https://t.co/tqg79R2ybc

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Evan Bouchard is indeed coming for Benning’s job.

    I would still like to see Benning re-signed for 2 X $1.75M (apx) – takes care of expansion draft exposure requirements, he is full value for that cap hit and he provides cover for the rookie Bouchard. Bouchard may very well win the day – even if he does, I anticipate both d-men will be needed through the year.

  44. Bobcaygeon says:

    I think Green was brought in for a few reason, one of which you mention but mostly because of Larson’s back.
    I think the Oilers are looking to trade Russell & will be looking to replace him with a vet at a lower cap hit.
    Problem is Russell has some pull.

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    “No. 3 C Uncertain. I don’t know who they’re going to acquire, this is a tough nut to crack.”

    ——–

    Right now, I see Gaetan Haas’ name pencilled in there.

    He does seem to have the skill-set for the role – he is quick and tenacious, he is very good defensively (always on the right side of the puck), he draws penalties and he should be able to help the PK (was a plus PK guy in Europe, from accounts).

    Faceoff ability aside, the main question is if he can help create some offence as the Oilers could have a “skilled third line” with Benson or AA on the left side and maybe Puljujarvi or Kassian on the right side.

    I’ve spoken about not knowing if he can produce 30 points but have been called out on that number not being needed for a 3C. Fine, I accept that.

    The question is can he help create enough offence so the lines is near a 50% GF%?

    He’s not ideal, shit, he’s not even established as an NHL player fully, however, think he’s better suited to the role than Sheahan (who would be a great 4C) and he’s a player I kind of have a good feeling about.

    Faceoffs and durability are the concerns for me.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    “LW Joakim Nygard is a burner who showed well before injuries derailed him a year ago. The contract ($875,000) and the numbers (33, 3-6-9) are not indicative of his potential imo. He could be a big surprise, has enough skill to play with the big boys.”

    ————-

    I’m not sure he has the hands to be a legit top 6 guy. I know he scored alot of ES goals in Sweden but, if I recall from Swedish Poster, his high goal totals were mainly as a result of volume of chances created by his speed and not from great finishing ability – kind of reminds me of Todd Marchant in that regard. Todd Marchant would be great but Nygard hasn’t show the 2-way game that made Marchant.

    Anyways, we know about the small sample with McDavid that was very successful by the numbers. believe it was apx 50 minutes, positive possession and 6-2 goals (6-1 if Drai is removed).

    I don’t recall seeing the success with my eyes but the numbers are what they are and are worth exploring in camp in my opinion.

    I would also like to see Benson explored as 1LW in camp (assuming he comes in ready and working hard which is a given for Benson I think). Don’t get me wrong, I, in no way, think he’s ready to be a legit top line winger in the NHL, however, I do think he has some of the “skills” that could mesh with McDavid – high offensive IQ, the smarts and skill to get the puck to McDavid with space, the ability to make plays in small spaces in the offensive zone. I have been adamant that straight speed is no a requirement to play with McDavid. Getting there at “the right time” is more important than getting there fast – as we saw with Hatrick Maroon.

  47. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: Neal is still a useful player. It’s not his fault his cap hit is too high. When healthy he is an asset. After the coming season he may have to be bought out due to flat cap but for now he is not a problem.

    I would not buy out Neal as long as he can screen the goalie on the PP and do the hardest thing in hockey which is score goals no way. Plus unlike Lucic Holland has a pretty good idea that Neal knows the middle of the season is injury time the LTIR is a bit of a game but don’t tell anyone.

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse Puljuarvi with a late goal to tie it up for Karpat at 1 – heading to OT.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ya, with respect to Archibald and the goal share, i was surprised to see it so bad when I read it a little while ago.

    He is able to provide some tertiary offence at 5 on 5 and is a tenacious and importantly aggressive forechecker – he creates energy for the team in my opinion.

    With that said, is he a drag defensively or are the goals against a function of playing on that 3rd line with Sheahan, getting caved with zone starts and having a struggling Khaira as the LW for large portions.

    That line is really made up of fourth line players that were playing 3rd line minutes – was that the issue or is Archie poor defensively?

  50. who says:

    Reja: We must of been watching different play-ins because Neal played and looked like he gave a fuk unlike 3/4 of the rest of the team.

    You can give all the fuks you want, if you can’t keep up, you can’t keep up.
    It really is that simple.

  51. jp says:

    hunter1909:
    Has anyone else heard the rumour that, for the upcoming Finals MacT is planning to stand behind Todd Nelson at the Dallas Bench?

    Will MacT be wearing a mask? Has anyone got information on wearing a mask inside the Hub arena?

    Lol. Thank you Hunter.

  52. jp says:

    godot10: Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile).Bad contract for bad contract.Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

    who: The extra year on the Turris contract is the problem for me.
    I think both players will be bought out before their contracts expire. Which means 2 more years of pain for the team with Turris.

    Each team retaining 50% might make sense.

  53. who says:

    Fuge Udvar:
    who,

    Goals are goals. People love to discount them in the analytics era but they are the only stay that counts on the scoreboard.

    As for the analytics.. A pretty decent year. 4.10 CF%rel, -0.10 DFF%rel, all while sporting a career worst 981 PDO.

    I don’t base my opinions on analytics.
    Neal has looked done to my eyes since I saw him in the playoffs with Vegas 2 years ago.
    As for the goals, I’m pretty sure Chiasson, or Yamamoto, can replace most of those PP goals pretty easily.

  54. Harpers Hair says:

    TSN (@TSN_Sports) Tweeted:
    Wild extend D Brodin on 7-year, $42M deal.

    MORE: https://t.co/kLiOQHhhpH https://t.co/dy3TXIj0eu

  55. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Harpers Hair:
    TSN (@TSN_Sports) Tweeted:
    Wild extend D Brodin on 7-year, $42M deal.

    MORE: https://t.co/kLiOQHhhpH https://t.co/dy3TXIj0eu

    Wow, that’s… not a pretty contract. Strikes me as an overpay during normal times- only doubly so in the flat cap environment.

  56. Harpers Hair says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Wow, that’s… not a pretty contract. Strikes me as an overpay during normal times- only doubly so in the flat cap environment.

    Pretty much market value for a good second pairing D.

    And it doesn’t kick in until after next season.

  57. who says:

    jp:
    Each team retaining 50% might make sense.

    Yeah, that might work.

  58. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Career high 28 (33 prorated) points this season (avg ~20 in years prior), slight net-positive contributor (negative relative offense, positive relative defense) while playing pretty balanced top-4 deployment, locked up until age 34. I don’t know; seems kinda high for my tastes.

  59. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    “LHD Caleb Jones. He posted 4-5-9 in 43 games, outplayed veteran Russell down the stretch. The question now: Can he play top-4D this year, or next? It’s important because a trade of Klefbom or Nurse this summer will thrust Jones into an important roster role early in his career.”

    ————————

    In my opinion, the answer to the question is – likely ready for top 4 at some point this year but not ready to play 23-25 minutes per night, night after night, against tough competition and there is likely to be a material drop between either Klefbom or Nurse and Jones if one of the two is traded.

    Would the drop off in the top 4 (and top 4 injury cover) but covered by the increase in the forward or goaltending group that the trade creates? Can’t say but I do know there is risk.

    I don’t see either Klefbom or Nurse moved this off-season.Tough to trade established top 4 mid-20s 23-25 minute per night, leadership group players unless the trade is a massive must-do.

    I do see Jones making such a move a vialble potential next off-season as he does prove to be legit top 4 ready and a “must protect”.

    Could you play him the 19-20 even strength minutes Klefbom/Nurse play though? He wouldn’t need to take on much of their special teams responsibility.

    Klefbom/Nurse and Russell as the main PK options.

    Klefbom/Nurse, Bear, Bouchard as the PP options.

    I’m warming some to the thought of moving Klefbom actually.

  60. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    Also a NMC for the first 4 years. Only getting “better”…

  61. Reja says:

    who: You can give all the fuks you want, if you can’t keep up, you can’t keep up.
    It really is that simple.

    Seems to be working for the over the hill gang in Dallas. It’s a good thing Tampa picked up Maroon because they’re going to need him big time.

  62. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Pretty much market value for a good second pairing D.

    And it doesn’t kick in until after next season.

    May have been. Given flat cap and current economics it is most definitely an overpay unless they project him as a top pairing D.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Could you play him the 19-20 even strength minutes Klefbom/Nurse play though? He wouldn’t need to take on much of their special teams responsibility.

    Klefbom/Nurse and Russell as the main PK options.

    Klefbom/Nurse, Bear, Bouchard as the PP options.

    I’m warming some to the thought of moving Klefbom actually.

    That’s a good question and thought.

    Nurse averaged 19:20 at 5 on 5 and Klefbom 17:54 at 5 on 5.

    Jones averaged 13:37 at 5 on 5 (and that would include his games filling in for Klef which probably increased the average a bit).

    That’s a pretty significant jump 5-6 minutes per game.

    That is the pretty much one of the questions, even if he can perform at 2nd pairing levels (as he has shown the ability to do in small samples), can he maintain it with that material of a TOI bump (even without special teams minutes)?

    I don’t know the answer to that question.

  64. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Pretty much market value for a good second pairing D.

    And it doesn’t kick in until after next season.

    Fuk, are the Canucks going to pay $6M for Tanev? And how the hell are they going to replace/retain Edler after next season?

  65. LadiesloveSmid says:

    jp: Fuk, are the Canucks going to pay $6M for Tanev? And how the hell are they going to replace/retain Edler after next season?

    Rumor has it that Brogan Rafferty’s conditioning allows him to play 60 minutes per game.

  66. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: That’s a good question and thought.

    Nurse averaged 19:20 at 5 on 5 and Klefbom 17:54 at 5 on 5.

    Jones averaged 13:37 at 5 on 5 (and that would include his games filling in for Klef which probably increased the average a bit).

    That’s a pretty significant jump 5-6 minutes per game.

    That is the pretty much one of the questions, even if he can perform at 2nd pairing levels (as he has shown the ability to do in small samples), can he maintain it with that material of a TOI bump (even without special teams minutes)?

    I don’t know the answer to that question.

    Yeah it’s definitely an open question if he can handle the jump (though it will be until he’s actually given the chance to do it).

    Mostly just saying the task is not quite as onerous as 23-25 min a night all situations D.

  67. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    jp,

    I think that characterization of the role Jones would have to take on also fails to account for the possible changes in deployment a new bottom pairing could provide. Sure, Jones might not be able to take on 23-25 mins a night, but would he need to if the Klefbom trade allows you to adjust your offseason focus to reinforcing the blueline?

    Maybe bring in a Merrill or Soucy to balance a bottom pairing with Bouchard; that’d strike me as a safe bet to cover 15-16 minutes rather than the 13 that Benning and Co. did.

  68. godot10 says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Wow, that’s… not a pretty contract. Strikes me as an overpay during normal times- only doubly so in the flat cap environment.

    That is what 27-year old legit 2nd pairing D men get.

    Rasmus Anderssen got $4.6 million with duration coming off of his ELC,

  69. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow, 7 years at $6M AAV for Brodin.

    What’s of note for me is the structure. I’ve been anticipating new term contracts being back-loaded at the request and negotiation of the players due to the high escrow for the next few years. Normally, players want front-loaded contracts but, we are seeing the anticipated change.

    Brodin only gets $4M-$5M in the first few years, then it bumps up to $8M in the middle years before reducing back down to $4M-$5M for the last few years.

  70. godot10 says:

    pts2pndr: May have been. Given flat cap and current economics it is most definitely an overpay unless they project him as a top pairing D.

    Top pairing D get $7.5 million and above on new contracts.

  71. jp says:

    godot10: That is what 27-year old legit 2nd pairing D men get.

    Rasmus Anderssen got $4.6 million with duration coming off of his ELC,

    But, so many people think Nurse is overpaid…

  72. jp says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    OriginalPouzar,

    jp,

    I think that characterization of the role Jones would have to take on also fails to account for the possible changes in deployment a new bottom pairing could provide. Sure, Jones might not be able to take on 23-25 mins a night, but would he need to if the Klefbom trade allows you to adjust your offseason focus to reinforcing the blueline?

    Maybe bring in a Merrill or Soucy to balance a bottom pairing with Bouchard; that’d strike me as a safe bet to cover 15-16 minutes rather than the 13 that Benning and Co. did.

    Yeah that’s a good point too. No question the 3rd pair could/should carry more load then they did this year.

  73. jp says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Rumor has it that Brogan Rafferty’s conditioning allows him to play 60 minutes per game.

    Also:
    His tears cure cancer, he’s always Calder eligible, and he only gets better with age?

  74. godot10 says:

    godot10: Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile).Bad contract for bad contract.Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

    If Nashvile buys out Neal immediately, they save just $2.1 million dollars net,,,and gain about $3,2 million in cap space immediately (instead of $4 million in cap space).

    ======================================================================
    Nashville buys out Turris. $16 million over 8 years. Saves $4 million in cap space for 4 years, loses $2 million in cap space for last four years.

    10% retention on Turris, immediate Neal buyout. Saves $2.1 million net. gain $3.3 million in cap space three years, then lost $2.5 million in cap space for one year, and $1.9 million for two years. Last two years of the eight free and clear.

    15% retention on Turris, immediate Neal buyout, Saves 900K net. Gain $3.0 miillion in cap space over three years, then lose $2.8 million in cap space for one year, and $1.9 million for two years. Last two years of the eight free and clear.

  75. godot10 says:

    godot10: If Nashvile buys out Neal immediately, they save just $2.1 million dollars net,,,and gain about $3,2 million in cap space immediately (instead of $4 million in cap space).

    ======================================================================
    Nashville buys out Turris.$16 million over 8 years.Saves $4 million in cap space for 4 years, loses $2 million in cap space for last four years.

    10% retention on Turris, immediate Neal buyout.Saves $2.1 million net. gain $3.3 million in cap space three years, then lost $2.5 million in cap space for one year, and$1.9 million for two years. Last two years of the eight free and clear.

    15% retention on Turris, immediate Neal buyout,Saves 900K net.Gain $3.0 miillion in cap space over three years, then lose $2.8million in cap space for one year, and $1.9 million for two years.Last two years of the eight free and clear.

    Of the three options.

    The Oilers have Neal for three more years at $5.75 million plus whatever the contract of a 3rd line centre…say $3 million)

    Or Turris for $5.4 million for 4 years, plus Nygard at $900K to replace Neal. (I’ve freed up the money to qualify Athanasiou, or to pay a better UFA winger for McDavid).

    Or Turris for $5.1 million for 4 years if Kenny can grind the retention from 10% to 15%

  76. godot10 says:

    Neal’s long term home is in Nashville, so he might not even be unhappy about this. Nashville saves more if they play him for one more year.

  77. Ribs says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Is Woodguy doing Turris in his series?

    Nah, he’s doing ladies fashion commentary now. 😉

  78. flyfish1168 says:

    godot10: Neal for Turris (Nashville retains 10%, or more, if Kenny can grind Poile).Bad contract for bad contract.Unnecessary asset for a necessary one.

    One extra year of Turris is not worth it. Neal brings more to the team and one less year is a huge difference with the potential Spokane my take him with a sweetener

  79. godot10 says:

    One is using the cap more efficiently by paying a useful player on a bad contract (Turris) than a superflous player on a bad contract (Neal).

    With McDavid and Draisaitl, Turris would really only be facing middle and gritensity opposition.

  80. jp says:

    flyfish1168: One extra year of Neal brings more to the team

    If you think Neal is more valuable to the Oilers than Turris would be then yes, a Neal/Turris deal makes little sense.

  81. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Top pairing D get $7.5 million and above on new contracts.

    Nurse is no top pairing defenceman.

  82. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Top pairing D get $7.5 million and above on new contracts.

    Nurse is no top pairing defenceman.

    I’m sure you know this.

  83. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    flyfish1168,

    Without even considering their position and Edmonton’s needs,Neal brings less to the table than Turris.

  84. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    hunter1909: Nurse is no top pairing defenceman.

    I’m sure you know this.

    Define your terms. I’d start with: 22+ mins, plays at least 30% against top opposition, positive relative numbers in at least a few key domains (% of CF, GF, SCF, HDCF, DFF). What would you add?

  85. godot10 says:

    hunter1909: Nurse is no top pairing defenceman.

    I’m sure you know this.

    I have never ever said that.

    I did say that Jeff Petry would be worth his $5.5 million dollar contract as a #3D five years ago. A 27 year old #3D will probably be worth $7 million in two years.

  86. godot10 says:

    Between Chiasson, Khaira, and … cough…Kassian…the few seconds each year that he decides to play decent, they cover off Neal’s skill set.

    Turris is a right shot centre who can almost certainly play at a 3rd line level for a couple of years. A gap in the current roster.

    So bad contract for bad contract, with Nashville retaining at least 10%, creates more efficiency in the OIlers cap utilization.

    Nashville can probably play Neal for a year, as they really don’t have that player type, who could help out on their PP in front of the net.

  87. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: Top pairing D get $7.5 million and above on new contracts.

    We will see if that continues. Should be interesting UFA time. Something has to give somewhere because revenue is going down.

  88. YKOil says:

    So… with the Brodin contract… I sense Dumba to TO will be a major theme for the talking heads the next few days.

    Half expect they forget to talk about the actual games.

  89. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: I have never ever said that.

    I did say that Jeff Petry would be worth his $5.5 million dollar contract as a #3D five years ago.A 27 year old #3D will probably be worth $7 million in two years.

    Please tell me where this money is going to come from. U.S. economy shrunk by 30% last quarter.

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Brantford Boy:
    A little Nuge love this morning… and the defense…

    So in the last several off-seasons, Nuge has committed himself to areas he wanted to address.In no particular order, face-offs, gaining weight, wrist shot release, and maybe one timer (although I may be confusing him with Eberle, not sure, anyone?).

    Just spit balling here but many have posted a raise for the Nuge (6.5M-7M).Is it even fathomable to suggest he signs something similar to Eberle coming off his identical contract ($27.5 million, five-year contract that counts $5.5 million against the salary cap)?It may be a reach, however with the flat cap he may not have the upper hand at the table.The thought of Nuge in Oilers silks for 5-6 years at 5.5M pleases me.

    Looking at the defense has me nervous.I know there’s lots of clamoring for a D-man to be moved.Of course as LT suggests (any many others) Russel is the obvious candidate, followed by Larsson, Klefbom, Nurse.Aside from Russel sailing on, I’d really like to see this defense for one more year.If it falls apart, move Larsson at the deadline and get a nice reward.Muzzin got a first round pick, although he had another year on his deal during the trade (I believe), perhaps that’s why the additional players involved in the trade.

    Of course that 3C could most certainly be shored up with a trade of any of the aforementioned defense.Most likely even a two-way top 6 winger… troubled times… not sure what the counter is at on the comment section on the “To rob Peter to pay Paul” but that’s what it seems like to me.I’m sure many would trade Larsson straight up for JT Miller (not that he’s available), would you do the same trade for Brett Connolly?

    Nice post.

    1) I expressly remember a bunch of talk one camp about Eberle working on his one-timer – didn’t show results

    2) Sorry, but I don’t think the Eberle contract is reasonable for Nuge. Eberle signed that contract coming off a 37 point season, as a pure offensive minded winger. The contract was actually an over-pay the minute it was signed in my opinion. Nuge is worth considerably more than Eberle in my opinion.

    3) If the Oilers are trading any roster player away at the deadline, in particular a member of the defence, I anticipate that means the season has gone very very wrong.

  91. godot10 says:

    pts2pndr: Please tell me where this money is going to come from. U.S. economy shrunk by 30% last quarter.

    The cap number is a fake number at the moment. It doesn’t correspond to actual dollars.

    Well they sort of do right now, but they ultimately get reconnected to actual NHL revenues, whatever those revenues may be.

    In the short term, for the next two years. 1 cap dollar is 70 US cents (20% escrow, 10% deferral) and if revenues do not recover, over the long term, the players share of revenues will be 50%.of revenues, whatever those revenues are. So 1 cap dollar over the medium to long term could be far less than 70 cents in actual dollars.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    Eh Team: Neal’s issue isn’t that he can’t score 20 goals, it’s that he can’t score many of them at 5×5.He’s not adding much to the power play that a Chiasson or someone else can’t provide.

    And Neal for another player isn’t a bad idea if that player is actually any good.But Turris (or Sutter) who can play C, just aren’t very good.I don’t think you are any better off.

    Turris is definitely not “worth” anywhere near $6M, however, I can’t agree that he just isn’t very good in particular as it relates to the current options for 3C – Khaira and Haas.

    I have some hope for Haas but even shitty Turris was 0.5 P/G this past season – imagine 0.5 P/G from our 3C.

    Now if Neal is simply replacement as you suggest and Turris is an upgrade, taking away the issue with the last year of the contract, I can’t agree with the premise of the post above.

    As an aside, I don’t think Neal is simply replaceable as suggested on the PP – no he and Chiasson are not as integral as the other 3 forwards but they both bring material PP attributes and, no, as per the coaching staff, they are not redundant of another – they bring different attributes to the PP and create different offensive sets.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Maybe it is.
    How many more years are McDavid and Draisaitl under contract in 24/25. At some point you have to go for it while they are here.

    As it relates to having them re-sign, one would think the couple years before their contracts expires are the key years to be winning……..

  94. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon: I think Nashville plans to buy Turris out, which is far more beneficial to them then taking on Neals contract.
    Look for Turris in the free agent market.

    Its not more beneficial to them from 2024-2028…… exact same discussion we have with keeping vs. buying out James Neal.

    There is not “right” or “wrong” answer, in my opinion – too many factors including the GMs’ plan for the team in the immediate, medium and long term future.

    In any even, if Turris is bought out, he should definitely be a target for the Oilers – assuming the price is at or below the $3M mark – that would be a great addition as 3C – term would/could be an issue.

  95. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: The cap number is a fake number at the moment.It doesn’t correspond to actual dollars.

    Well they sort of do right now, but they ultimately get reconnected to actual NHL revenues, whatever those revenues may be.

    In the short term, for the next two years.1 cap dollar is 70 US cents (20% escrow, 10% deferral) and if revenues do not recover, over the long term, the players share of revenues will be 50%.of revenues, whatever those revenues are.So 1 cap dollar over the medium to long term could be far less than 70 cents in actual dollars.

    Out of curiosity so the contact for let’s use Neal as an example real out of pocket is only 70% of the cap amount. If the team was to buy out Neal it would it be based on full amount or at 70%?

  96. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In any even, if Turris is bought out, he should definitely be a target for the Oilers – assuming the price is at or below the $3M mark – that would be a great addition as 3C – term would/could be an issue.

    If the OIlers sign Turris after he is bought out, the OIlers are using their extremely limited remaining cap space.

    If the Oilers trade Neal for Turris (with 10-15% retention by Nashville), the Oilers are using cap space they have already spent, and not using any of their limited unallocated cap space. With 10-15% retention, the OIlers could actually be gaining cap space ($350K-$600K).

    Trading is much more advantageous (i.e. cap efficient) to both teams than Nashville buying out Turris and the Oilers signing him.

    Neal is really superflous. The OIlers can easily cover his minutes with other players. The trade is like getting a useful player (Turris) for free.

    I probably wouldn’t sign Turris as a UFA. A younger player would be a better risk. But I get him for “free” if I trade Neal for him.

    Nashville is likely losing a couple of wingers to free agency. They don’t really have a player like Neal. They are familiar with him. He could probably fill a limited role for them for a year. They don’t necessarily have to buy him out immediately.

  97. godot10 says:

    pts2pndr: Out of curiosity so the contact for let’s use Neal as an example real out of pocket is only 70% of the cap amount. If the team was to buy out Neal it would it be based on full amount or at 70%?

    A Neal buyout is 2/3rds of remaining salary, spread out over twice the duration. The precise dollars are not know beyond two years and will be determined by the escrow at the time.

    For the first two years, the buyout will be 80% of (2/3rds of remaining salary)/(six years). Escrow is 20%. 10% of that amount is deferred in each of the first two years.

    (I can’t remember how long the deferral is)

    The remaining four years depends on the escrow for those years. Replace 80% by (100 – escrow).

  98. pts2pndr says:

    jp: Yeah it’s definitely an open question if he can handle the jump (though it will be until he’s actually given the chance to do it).

    Mostly just saying the task is not quite as onerous as 23-25 min a night all situations D.

    The better question is who would Jones be paired with. As I recall most of his top four minutes were with Larsson. Big difference if he is paired with a less experienced and or less defensively capable partner. Given that the team may not re-sign Larsson This seems very risky to me when you can wait one year and have a much better handle on the situation. All the young D having an extra year of experience can only help.

  99. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Fuk, are the Canucks going to pay $6M for Tanev? And how the hell are they going to replace/retain Edler after next season?

    Tanev will be 31 when next season starts. Totally different situation.

    Edler will be 36.

  100. pts2pndr says:

    godot10: A Neal buyout is 2/3rds of remaining salary, spread out over twice the duration.The precise dollars are not know beyond two years and will be determined by the escrow at the time.

    For the first two years, the buyout will be 80% of (2/3rds of remaining salary)/(six years).Escrow is 20%.10% of that amount is deferred in each of the first two years.

    (I can’t remember how long the deferral is)

    The remaining four years depends on the escrow for those years. Replace 80% by (100 – escrow).

    Thank you! That is additional food for thought on the possibility of a buyout of Neal and or Russel.

  101. Eh Team says:

    OriginalPouzar: Turris is definitely not “worth” anywhere near $6M, however, I can’t agree that he just isn’t very good in particular as it relates to the current options for 3C – Khaira and Haas.

    I’m not comparing Turris to Haas or Khaira. The question is whether Turris is an acceptable 3C compared to other 3Cs. I’m not sure that he is. Yeah, he’s better than Haas or Khaira, but those guys are 13th or 14th forwards on a deeper team. Khaira, especially was awful this year other than on the PK.

  102. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Tanev will be 31 when next season starts. Totally different situation.

    Edler will be 36.

    Right. Looks like Vancouvers D is shortly going to be a dogs breakfast,😂

  103. Eh Team says:

    pts2pndr: Out of curiosity so the contact for let’s use Neal as an example real out of pocket is only 70% of the cap amount. If the team was to buy out Neal it would it be based on full amount or at 70%?

    Yeah, I wonder about this too. If a player is bought out does escrow get withheld on the buyout? And next year, assuming they play a shorter schedule (much like baseball) which I think is a very real possibility, contract’s will likely be prorated for games played. Iit may be better from a player perspective to be bought at at full(er) value.

  104. Harpers Hair says:

    Word is VGK want to move on from Statsny.

    One year left at a cap hit of $6.5 million.

    Get them to retain half and there you go…a 3C.

  105. godot10 says:

    Eh Team: I’m not comparing Turris to Haas or Khaira.The question is whether Turris is an acceptable 3C compared to other 3Cs.I’m not sure that he is.Yeah, he’s better than Haas or Khaira, but those guys are 13th or 14th forwards on a deeper team.Khaira, especially was awful this year other than on the PK.

    If Turris is coming for Neal with 10-15% retention by Nashville, he will be coming at a negative marginal cost. Any UFA you sign will cost $2 to $3 million.

    Compare Turris plus $350K in cap space to any UFA free agent centre you want to sign for $2-3 million.

    The OIlers can add a right shot 3C for net negative marginal cost.

  106. Harpers Hair says:

    pts2pndr: Right. Looks like Vancouvers D is shortly going to be a dogs breakfast,

    I expect they will re-sign Tanev to a team friendly deal…he doesn’t want to go anywhere.

    They will also likely trade Boeser for a right shot D….and they’ll get a good one.

    With Edler’s $6 million they should easily be able to find a second pairing D.

  107. leadfarmer says:

    The minnesota wild love Jonas Brodin. Absolutely love the guy.
    Matt Dumba is gone for a center when one becomes available

  108. hags9k says:

    *audible grumble*

  109. pts2pndr says:

    Elgin R:
    Pavel Gogelev (Feb 2000): 6′-1″ / 180 lbs
    OHL 2019/2020:6th in pts, 13th in PPG with a 40.4 NHLe.

    Comparison
    Akil Thomas (Jan 2000):6′ / 180 lbs
    OHL 2019/2020:11th in pts, 9th in PPG, 45.4 NHLe, drafted 51 in 2018

    Gogelev would be a good bet with a 3rd round pick

    I like Gogolev we could nick name him Gogolev gadget or gadget. We really need some cool monickers.🙂

  110. godot10 says:

    leadfarmer:
    The minnesota wild love Jonas Brodin.Absolutely love the guy.
    Matt Dumba is gone for a center when one becomes available

    A case of the first guy who signs a contract (Brodin or Dumba) gets to stay. The other guy gets traded.

  111. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: I expect they will re-sign Tanev to a team friendly deal…he doesn’t want to go anywhere.

    They will also likely trade Boeser for a right shot D….and they’ll get a good one.

    With Edler’s $6 million they should easily be able to find a second pairing D.

    You sure dream in technicolor when you speak of the Canucks. If they were even half as astute as you claim them to be, they might even have a Stanley Cup banner some day.. Think you will live that long.

  112. godot10 says:

    The trade that I want to see is Stamkos to the Rangers for the #1 pick in the draft and Lias Andersson.

    I wonder if Stamkos would waive?

  113. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Was browsing armchair GM rosters on CapFriendly today and noticed a lot of MTL fans trading away Jordan Weal to make room either salary or roster wise.

    A quick glance at his fancies on puckiq.com shows he’s not getting his head kicked in, and until this season with MTL was being deployed fairly regularly vs elite opposition.

    Would he be worth a trade, say for Chaisson to recoup some cap or for JJ to upgrade the 4C? He’s 52.7% career FO and shoots right (10.1% career).

    He’s on a one year deal, so risk is minimal. Or maybe he’s totally replaceable and that’s why MTL fans are so eager to trade him? I don’t know. Thought it worth asking.

  114. YKOil says:

    leadfarmer:
    The minnesota wild love Jonas Brodin.Absolutely love the guy. Matt Dumba is gone for a center when one becomes available

    Look for Kerfoot, Lillegren, and the TO 1st suggestions to start cropping up!

  115. Bobcaygeon says:

    The crazy thing about the whole CAP situation is if teams aren’t playing in front of fans next year.
    Honestly, how many teams with an internal CAP are going to be crunched? I can name probably four teams that are in dire straights right now.
    I think your going to see low UFA numbers & bunch of players on the block……just one guys opinion

  116. RonnieB says:

    godot10: A case of the first guy who signs a contract (Brodin or Dumba) gets to stay.The other guy gets traded.

    If that were the case Brodin would have been gone. Dumba signed a 5 x $6 deal 2 years ago. Also, Brodin is LH and Dumba is RH; their contracts are not an either/or situation.

  117. Harpers Hair says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    The crazy thing about the whole CAP situation is if teams aren’t playing in front of fans next year.
    Honestly, how many teams with an internal CAP are going to be crunched? I can name probably four teams that are in dire straights right now.
    I think your going to see low UFA numbers & bunch of players on the block……just one guys opinion

    Much more than your opinion.

    Just listened to an interview with Darren Dredger.

    He says several sources have told him that quite a few teams will be slashing payroll to the low $70 million range.

    He also said Arizona has told teams that any player older than 25 is available…and they’re accepting offers on them.

  118. Reja says:

    pts2pndr: You sure dream in technicolor when you speak of the Canucks. If they were even half as astute as you claim them to be, they might even have a Stanley Cup banner some day.. Think you will live that long.

    Lol it’s like the first time he’s been laid and it was by the town tramp he just keeps going on and on about how great she is and folks just let him ramble on and on because they feel embarrassed for him.

  119. YKOil says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    The crazy thing about the whole CAP situation is if teams aren’t playing in front of fans next year.
    Honestly, how many teams with an internal CAP are going to be crunched? I can name probably four teams that are in dire straights right now.
    I think your going to see low UFA numbers & bunch of players on the block……just one guys opinion

    Which, IF Katz wants to continue spending, supports the: “Buy out Neal” camp.

    Which, IF Katz is willing to spend, he should do. This revenue drought will last for this off-season and may even affect the next off-season, make hay while the sun shines says I.

  120. YKOil says:

    Harpers Hair: Much more than your opinion.

    Just listened to an interview with Darren Dredger.

    He says several sources have told him thatquite a few teams will be slashing payroll to the low $70 million range.

    He also said Arizona has told teams that any player older than 25 is available…and they’re accepting offers on them.

    Hinostroza is the hidden gem on that roster imo. Would even look at taking a half-price Stepan (AZ retains 50%) to pick him up. That would be a sweet Russell trade… (yeah, yeah, NTC).

    If Garland goes off again he will cost them next season so they have to prep now imo.

    Dvorak is interesting. Think they paid out too soon on Schmaltz – lot of money for him – right handed though so that’s a thing. Both 24 but AZ is looking at the 22’s imo.

    Chayka coming out of this clean? Doesn’t deserve to imo.
    .

  121. Bobcaygeon says:

    Harpers Hair: Much more than your opinion.

    Just listened to an interview with Darren Dredger.

    He says several sources have told him thatquite a few teams will be slashing payroll to the low $70 million range.

    He also said Arizona has told teams that any player older than 25 is available…and they’re accepting offers on them.

    Interesting for sure, my four teams were FLA – CAR – CBJ & ARZ , I was in the Chayka did a number on the team but I’m getting the feeling ownership wanted to gut the team.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: You can give all the fuks you want, if you can’t keep up, you can’t keep up.
    It really is that simple.

    If i remember correctly, from my eyes, Neal didn’t have issues keeping up in the qualifier.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: I don’t base my opinions on analytics.
    Neal has looked done to my eyes since I saw him in the playoffs with Vegas 2 years ago.
    As for the goals, I’m pretty sure Chiasson, or Yamamoto, can replace most of those PP goals pretty easily.

    You may be right but, from their accounts, I don’t think the coaching staff agrees with you.

    I know the PP was slightly better with Chiasson on it but the coaches (Gully in particular) has expressed that a part of their success was the ability to switch Chiasson and Neal which caused issues for the penalty kill – they play different roles and have different skills on the PP which opens up different looks and plays to the unit.

    The PP had a dynamic with the two that worked. Can’t say it wouldn’t work if Neal was gone but I don’t think its prudent to suggest that Yamamoto could just replace Neal without a hiccup.

  124. godot10 says:

    Bobcaygeon:
    The crazy thing about the whole CAP situation is if teams aren’t playing in front of fans next year.
    Honestly, how many teams with an internal CAP are going to be crunched? I can name probably four teams that are in dire straights right now.
    I think your going to see low UFA numbers & bunch of players on the block……just one guys opinion

    The real cash outlay is only 70% of what the teams set their internal cap number at.

    I could see the NHL PA voluntarily agreeing to go to a 30% escrow and a 10% deferral, or a 20:20 as we get closer to free agency, if the situation become dire for free agents.

    Bettman had to get the season completed, so he didn’t hard bargain the escrow, and because he knows that the actual revenue prospects for the next few years will probably lead to the NHL PA making further concessions on escrow voluntarily to balance the costs between players with contracts and those without, and current players and future players.

  125. Harpers Hair says:

    YKOil: Hinostroza is the hidden gem on that roster imo.Would even look at taking a half-price Stepan (AZ retains 50%) to pick him up. That would be a sweet Russell trade… (yeah, yeah, NTC).

    If Garland goes off again he will cost them next season so they have to prep now imo.

    Dvorak is interesting. Think they paid out too soon on Schmaltz – lot of money for him – right handed though so that’s a thing. Both 24 but AZ is looking at the 22’s imo.

    Chayka coming out of this clean? Doesn’t deserve to imo.
    .

    Hinostroza is an RFA with arbitration rights coming off a $3 million contract.

    I’d guess they don’t qualify him.

  126. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: You may be right but, from their accounts, I don’t think the coaching staff agrees with you.

    I know the PP was slightly better with Chiasson on it but the coaches (Gully in particular) has expressed that a part of their success was the ability to switch Chiasson and Neal which caused issues for the penalty kill – they play different roles and have different skills on the PP which opens up different looks and plays to the unit.

    The PP had a dynamic with the two that worked. Can’t say it wouldn’t work if Neal was gone but I don’t think its prudent to suggest that Yamamoto could just replace Neal without a hiccup.

    Neal was out with injury for extended periods of time. It didn’t affect the power play at all having only the Chiasson option.

    There is now the Yamamoto option to provide a different look, and whoever they sign to play wing with McDavid.

    It is really important to make a bad contract for bad contract trade with Neal this offseason to fill a roster need, and utilize his cap hit more productively.

  127. Woogie63 says:

    Everytime I see that $3.8M in dead cap space I say that is almost what we are paying are best RHD

    They are 1061 players in Capfriendy, if our dead cap space was a player he would be the 259 best paid player in the NHL – pushing Rickard Rakell to the 260; by the way Rakell scored 15 goals and had 42 points last year.

    #nomorebuy-outs

  128. dustrock says:

    Speaking of getting a cheap deal for some COVID Cap fallout, my problem with the Cracknell signing is that (a) we don’t even know what’s happening with the AHL at all this year and (b) Cracknell wasn’t exactly having to pick between 5 different offers, each better than the last.

    Cracknell is going to be available in December if you need him.

  129. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Bobcaygeon,

    COL is also an internal cap team.

  130. OriginalPouzar says:

    If Joel Edmundson gets close to $4M on a term deal of 4-5 years as is being speculated, well, I think maybe there should be more appreciation for Klefbom and even Nurse’s value at their cap hits.

    Not to mention on the heels off $6M for a solid defensive minded 2nd pairing dman in Brodin, for almost the max term.

  131. Scungilli Slushy says:

    I’d do Neal for Turris all day long as Godot thinks.

    But I’d go straight up with their second if they have one.

    Find a home for Russel.

    And I would trade Klef for Connor’s winger.

    Sign a better goalie than Smith.

    If I could get Kemper I would trade a G prospects sound JP for him.

    I would also draft the Russian goalie because elite goalies are very hard to find anyway else without extreme luck. The Oiler G prospects that have some game are all on the short side, and that is a problem these days.

    Or I’d trade Klef for a TO first and find a winger another way or to internal.

    Losing Klef is a hit, but overall I think the team would be far deeper and better. And in the second Klef scenario the prospect pool gets a big boost.

    I’ve thought about trading Larsson but the right side doesn’t have the depth to support it.

  132. pts2pndr says:

    Reja: Lol it’s like the first time he’s been laid and it was by the town tramp he just keeps going on and on about how great she is and folks just let him ramble on and on because they feel embarrassed for him.

    </blockquote
    Lol. Very well said! 👏

  133. Ice Sage says:

    hunter1909:
    Has anyone else heard the rumour that, for the upcoming Finals MacT is planning to stand behind Todd Nelson at the Dallas Bench?

    Will MacT be wearing a mask? Has anyone got information on wearing a mask inside the Hub arena?

    LOL – well wearing a mask is one way to prevent your tongue from being ripped out…

  134. who says:

    godot10:
    The trade that I want to see is Stamkos to the Rangers for the #1 pick in the draft and Lias Andersson.

    I wonder if Stamkos would waive?

    Why would the Rangers make that trade?

  135. RonnieB says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Bobcaygeon,

    COL is also an internal cap team.

    Pittsburg is also trying to get down to the low 70’s.

  136. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: If i remember correctly, from my eyes, Neal didn’t have issues keeping up in the qualifier.

    Neal has had trouble keeping up for 2 years.
    Your eyes only see what fits your current narrative.

  137. who says:

    Reja: Seems to be working for the over the hill gang in Dallas. It’s a good thing Tampa picked up Maroon because they’re going to need him big time.

    A goalie on a heater is what’s working for Dallas.
    I liked Maroon when he was here. I was telling people he was better than Lucic long before it was cool to do so.
    But I don’t see him making a big difference against any team anymore. Maybe as Tampas answer to Reaves if Vegas had made the finals. Tampas big, heavy dman should be able handle the Dallas big, slow forwards.

  138. OriginalPouzar says:

    hunter1909: Nurse is no top pairing defenceman.

    I’m sure you know this.

    Well, he was 2nd in the NHL in TOI/G at 5 on 5 among d-men.

    We know he plays many of those minutes against elites.

    He drops to 76th in TOI/G for the PK but essentially equal with the likes of Hieskanen, Petry, Doughty, Letang, OEL, Parayko.

    We know he’s around top 10 in the NHL in 5 on 5 points over the last 3 years in aggregate.

  139. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: You may be right but, from their accounts, I don’t think the coaching staff agrees with you.

    I know the PP was slightly better with Chiasson on it but the coaches (Gully in particular) has expressed that a part of their success was the ability to switch Chiasson and Neal which caused issues for the penalty kill – they play different roles and have different skills on the PP which opens up different looks and plays to the unit.

    The PP had a dynamic with the two that worked. Can’t say it wouldn’t work if Neal was gone but I don’t think its prudent to suggest that Yamamoto could just replace Neal without a hiccup.

    You don’t know what the coaching staff thinks. You are taking 1 or 2 quotes and building a narrative around them. Just like you always do.

  140. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    Between Chiasson, Khaira, and … cough…Kassian…the few seconds each year that he decides to play decent, they cover off Neal’s skill set.

    Turris is a right shot centre who can almost certainly play at a 3rd line level for a couple of years.A gap in the current roster.

    So bad contract for bad contract, with Nashville retaining at least 10%, creates more efficiency in the OIlers cap utilization.

    Nashville can probably play Neal for a year, as they really don’t have that player type, who could help out on their PP in front of the net.

    I would agree that dropping Turris in to the Oilers lineup and moving out Neal makes the Oilers a better and more balanced team.

    If it wasn’t for the extra year of term, this would be a no-brainer.

  141. godot10 says:

    who: Why would the Rangers make that trade?

    They need another top centre badly. They have Panarin and Kreider with NMC’s on left wing long term already As a result, Lafreniere isn’t really a match for that roster.

    It’s not going to happen. I’d like to see it happen.

    It would make some sense for the Rangers to extract an asset from LA to leave Lafreniere on the board, and take Byfield.

  142. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: If the OIlers sign Turris after he is bought out, the OIlers are using their extremely limited remaining cap space.

    If the Oilers trade Neal for Turris (with 10-15% retention by Nashville), the Oilers are using cap space they have already spent, and not using any of their limited unallocated cap space.With 10-15% retention, the OIlers could actually be gaining cap space ($350K-$600K).

    Trading is much more advantageous (i.e. cap efficient)to both teams than Nashville buying out Turris and the Oilers signing him.

    Neal is really superflous.The OIlers can easily cover his minutes with other players.The trade is like getting a useful player (Turris) for free.

    I probably wouldn’t sign Turris as a UFA.A younger player would be a better risk.But I get him for “free” if I trade Neal for him.

    Nashville is likely losing a couple of wingers to free agency.They don’t really have a player like Neal.They are familiar with him.He could probably fill a limited role for them for a year.They don’t necessarily have to buy him out immediately.

    Yes, getting rid of the Neal contract would be great but that’s not really what is happening – its taking on another anchor contract similar to how they acquired Neal. Not saying it wouldn’t be a positive move but its not an ideal move either.

    It also doesn’t mean that spending their remaining cap space responsibly and filling an important hole is not the proper thing to do.

    Turris is an existing 3C in the NHL – he is simply not worth his current contract. If he signed an appropriate contract in the $2.5M range, that would fill the 3C hole which would be an acceptable use of the limited cap space (if they even have it). Term would be the issue as anything longer than 2 years for Turris should be a no-starter (on a fresh contract).

  143. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: I would agree that dropping Turris in to the Oilers lineup and moving out Neal makes the Oilers a better and more balanced team.

    If it wasn’t for the extra year of term, this would be a no-brainer.

    But if he can help for a year it’s moot.

    Neal has nothing the Oilers need.

    Benson Turris Kassian.

    Nygaard Turris Chiasson

    I like these better than the current.

    I also think Turris will be a better help than Haas because he’s an established nhl player and Haas while having some attributes isn’t strong on his skates.

    Imagine him in a playoffs as aggressive as these.

    Ass down a lot.

  144. godot10 says:

    who: A goalie on a heater is what’s working for Dallas.
    I liked Maroon when he was here. I was telling people he was better than Lucic long before it was cool to do so.
    But I don’t see him making a big difference against any team anymore. Maybe as Tampas answer to Reaves if Vegas had made the finals. Tampas big, heavy dman should be able handle the Dallas big,slow forwards.

    Dallas took St. Louis to overtime in game 7 last year, and that was before Pavelski and Perry. And Heiskanen was a rookie.

    They have been one of the best defensive teams in the NHL for the last two years, while decimated on the blueline, and relying on guys like Fedun and Hanley at times on the 3rd pairing.

    If Point can’t play…

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: The better question is who would Jones be paired with. As I recall most of his top four minutes were with Larsson. Big difference if he is paired with a less experienced and or less defensively capable partner. Given that the team may not re-sign Larsson This seems very risky to me when you can wait one year and have a much better handle on the situation. All the young D having an extra year of experience can only help.

    but Larsson is already signed for the 2020/21 season – all they have to do is, well, not trade him, to provide Jones that parter. I’m not advocating for a Klef/Nurse trade given we don’t know how Jones will respond to an extra 5-6 min per night (and tough minutes) but I’m not sure I understand the premise of the post above.

    Jones is replaced on 3LD by Lagesson or, actually, Russell – if Klef or Nurse are moved keeping Rusty for the last year of his contract becomes a more viable option.

  146. godot10 says:

    23 $81,500,000 $81,055,484 $682,653 $730,000 $444,516

    Note: 10% retention by Nashville on Turris
    Note: Qualified Athanasiou as a placeholder. Still not enough money for an upgrade unless they sign a deep bargain deal.
    Note: Desparately need the clean disposition of Russell

    Athanasiou, Andreas
    $3,000,000
    McDavid, Connor
    $12,500,000
    Kassian, Zack
    $3,200,000

    Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
    $6,000,000
    Draisaitl, Leon
    $8,500,000
    Yamamoto, Kailer
    $894,166

    Nygård, Joakim
    $875,000
    Turris, Kyle
    $5,400,000
    Archibald, Josh
    $1,500,000

    Khaira, Jujhar
    $1,200,000
    Haas, Gaëtan
    $915,000
    Chiasson, Alex
    $2,150,000

    Benson, Tyler
    $808,333
    Russell, Patrick
    $700,000

    Nurse, Darnell
    $5,600,000
    Bear, Ethan
    $2,500,000

    Klefbom, Oscar
    $4,167,000
    Bouchard, Evan
    $863,333

    Jones, Caleb
    $850,000
    Larsson, Adam
    $4,166,666

    Russell, Kris
    $4,000,000

    Koskinen, Mikko
    $4,500,000
    Greiss, Thomas
    $1,500,000

  147. who says:

    godot10: They need another topcentre badly.They have Panarin and Kreider with NMC’s on left wing long term alreadyAs a result, Lafreniere isn’t really a match for that roster.

    It’s not going to happen.I’d like to see it happen.

    It would make some sense for the Rangers to extract an asset from LA to leave Lafreniere on the board, and take Byfield.

    Yeah, a trade with LA makes more sense. All depends on how much better you think Lafreniere is than the next guy.
    I doubt there’s a big market for Stamkos anywhere to be honest. That cap hit, with that injury history, is very scary.

  148. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: Right. Looks like Vancouvers D is shortly going to be a dogs breakfast,

    Needing to replace two aging top 4 d-men with nothing in the pipeline other than meandering middlings. Top guy already 21 and hasn’t showed himself in the NHL early. Next guy with a regression year in junior.

  149. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Would Derek Brassard at the right price be a good option for Connor?

  150. Jaxon says:

    I want to see the Rangers draft these 3:

    LW @ #1 C @ #22 RW @ #205
    Alexis Lafreniere Hendrix Lapierre Alex Laferriere

    Lapierre at #22 could actually be a really good pick for them and beoing from the Q they could be really great support for each other in the Big Apple.

  151. Reja says:

    who: A goalie on a heater is what’s working for Dallas.
    I liked Maroon when he was here. I was telling people he was better than Lucic long before it was cool to do so.
    But I don’t see him making a big difference against any team anymore. Maybe as Tampas answer to Reaves if Vegas had made the finals. Tampas big, heavy dman should be able handle the Dallas big,slow forwards.

    Dallas was a overtime goal away from probably winning the cup last year your vastly underestimating how hard it’s to beat a heavy talented veteran team in a 7 game series. As for Maroon if he doesn’t cause chaos on the OT winner in game 2 and Boston wins to go up 2-0 there’s no doubt in my mind they win the series

  152. pts2pndr says:

    Ice Sage: LOL – well wearing a mask is one way to prevent your tongue from being ripped out…

    Thank you for recalling one of my favourite MacT memories. The look on his face still makes me 😊

  153. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Needing to replace two aging top 4 d-men with nothing in the pipeline other than meandering middlings. Top guy already 21 and hasn’t showed himself in the NHL early.Next guy with a regression year in junior.

    The Canucks have a legit #1D who is 20 years old.

    The Oilers don’t even have one top pairing D on a good team.

    Having a bunch of average second pairing D doesn’t solve any problems. They all want to get paid although they don’t deserve it.

    You don’t even have the confidence that Bouchard is ready for a sheltered 3rd pairing role…speaks volumes.

  154. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: The Canucks have a legit #1D who is 20 years old.

    The Oilers don’teven have one top pairing D on a good team.

    Having a bunch of average second pairing D doesn’t solve any problems. They all want to get paid although they don’t deserve it.

    You don’t even have the confidence that Bouchard is ready for a sheltered 3rd pairing role…speaks volumes.

    Right and in his spare time while his team mates take on the heavy lines he can be the acting mascot. He has all kinds of offensive talent but to be a number one D you need to defend!

  155. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: The Canucks have a legit #1D who is 20 years old.

    The Oilers don’teven have one top pairing D on a good team.

    Having a bunch of average second pairing D doesn’t solve any problems. They all want to get paid although they don’t deserve it.

    You don’t even have the confidence that Bouchard is ready for a sheltered 3rd pairing role…speaks volumes.

    Quinn has a ways to go before he proves more than a better Shattenkirk or Ghost.

    When it counts.

  156. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Quinn has a ways to go before he proves more than a better Shattenkirk or Ghost.

    When it counts.

    The skating and skill are great, but if he ends up having to be sheltered 5v5 or playoffs at the salary he’ll get after his ELC it’s a big cap drags

    Re Schultz. And a zillion others like that.

  157. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: The real cash outlay is only 70% of what the teams set their internal cap number at.

    I’m not sure if your analysis on how this works is correct.

    The owner of a particular team won’t be receiving the escrowed amount from cash outlay to his team’s players.

    The escrowed amount from all the players from all the team goes in to the same pool and then will be dived up among the 31 teams.

    The amount spent by any particular team won’t make a material difference to the overall amount clawed back.

    A team will remain motivated to spend less as their 20% escrow claw-back will be determined by the overall escrow pool for all league players, not just that team’s players.

    I anticipate, the one-time 10% holdback is different and simply isn’t paid out to the player until the payment date a few years from now.

    You’re reference to 70 cents on the dollar is really 90 cents and, actually, its really 100 cents given the 10% holdback will be paid (unlike the escrow clawback) just not for a few years.

  158. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Neal was out with injury for extended periods of time.It didn’t affect the power play at all having only the Chiasson option.

    There is now the Yamamoto option to provide a different look, and whoever they sign to play wing with McDavid.

    It is really important to make a bad contract for bad contract trade with Neal this offseason to fill a roster need, and utilize his cap hit more productively.

    I couldn’t figure out PP% during the time Neal was on IR from January 29 to March 3 but their G/60 on the PP went down relative to their year rate (from 10.64 to 10.33) – likely statistically insignificant if I’m being honest.

  159. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not sure if your analysis on how this works is correct.

    The owner of a particular team won’t be receiving the escrowed amount from cash outlay to his team’s players.

    The escrowed amount from all the players from all the team goes in to the same pool and then will be dived up among the 31 teams.

    The amount spent by any particular team won’t make a material difference to the overall amount clawed back.

    A team will remain motivated to spend less as their 20% escrow claw-back will be determined by the overall escrow pool for all league players, not just that team’s players.

    I anticipate, the one-time 10% holdback is different and simply isn’t paid out to the player until the payment date a few years from now.

    You’re reference to 70 cents on the dollar is really 90 cents and, actually, its really 100 cents given the 10% holdback will be paid (unlike the escrow clawback) just not for a few years.

    Do you really think Bettman or the NHLPA is going to insist that the owners fund escrow next year, and that the NHL and NHLPA don’t undertand next year that escrow is really the equivalent of a salary rollback? They know there is going to be nothing to distribute to the players.

    The new CBA essentially guarentees that the NHL PA will receive far more than their 50% share of revenues for the first two years. There is no need to fund the escrow accounts.

    Revenues are going to be down by far more than 30%.

  160. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Tanev will be 31 when next season starts. Totally different situation.

    Edler will be 36.

    Edler is 35 but he is a stalwart for the Canucks. They are going to miss him a lot when he’s done/gone.

  161. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Everytime I see that $3.8M in dead cap space I say that is almost what we are paying are best RHD

    They are 1061 players in Capfriendy, if our dead cap space was a player he would be the 259 best paid player in the NHL – pushing Rickard Rakell to the 260; by the way Rakell scored 15 goals and had 42 points last year.

    #nomorebuy-outs

    We can speculate all we want and we can discuss what we each think (not know) is the best course forward in relation to Neal and buyouts in general but the one thing we know is that Ken Holland is very live to the dead cap space and the current effects it is happening on roster improvement and any additional buyouts this off-season are “highly unlikely”.

  162. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Tanev will be 31 when next season starts. Totally different situation.

    Edler will be 36.

    Right, they aren’t going to get 7 years. But why would being 31 reduce the AAV?

  163. Rich M says:

    Am very late to this party but want to add a little smoke to Godot’s fire.

    Hearing from people who know that Holland has kicked tires on Neal for Turris (I live in Nashville and the people I’m hearing are pretty well connected). Not saying it will happen, but there has been tire kicking.

    What you may not know is Neal and Johansen are good friends and there is some feeling that Johansen has missed Neal more than anyone (even though they didn’t play on the same line). So nothing would surprise me.

    Godot is bang on that Turris is a 3C at this point. He was used on the PK by Hynes who upped his minutes before the season ground to a halt to try and get him re-started. According to Woodmoney, he’s not good against elites but as a 3C, he can cover the bet.

    His best season (points) after coming over from Ottawa was the first year when Laviolette gave him incredible zone starts (66% offensive zone) that helped his offense when he played between 2 x 20 goal scorers (Fiala and Smith). A poor playoff vs. Winnipeg and injuries/coming back to soon the following season soured the coach on him.

    Again, not saying it will happen, but worth considering. Two bad contracts are moved. Would be very, very surprised if Nashville bought him out because of the finances involved. They aren’t a floor team, but are being hurt by not having fans in the building (or concerts since they get all that revenue too) and are watching expenses.

  164. OriginalPouzar says:

    dustrock:
    Speaking of getting a cheap deal for some COVID Cap fallout, my problem with the Cracknell signing is that (a) we don’t even know what’s happening with the AHL at all this year and (b) Cracknell wasn’t exactly having to pick between 5 different offers, each better than the last.

    Cracknell is going to be available in December if you need him.

    There is something to say for being a classy organization and creating good equity through the league and maintaining positive relationship.

    I anticipate that Holland made a determination that this particular player is someone he thinks will help the Condors and, given essentially zero risk to the organization (the 50 is not close to a limiting factor right now – Holland/Greztky have signed a ton of AHL deals), he can provide Cracknell and his family with some peace of mind on the contract and to be able to make arrangements for their move back to Canada from Russia – knowing where they will be settling.

  165. jp says:

    pts2pndr: The better question is who would Jones be paired with. As I recall most of his top four minutes were with Larsson. Big difference if he is paired with a less experienced and or less defensively capable partner. Given that the team may not re-sign Larsson This seems very risky to me when you can wait one year and have a much better handle on the situation. All the young D having an extra year of experience can only help.

    Well among the current options Larsson seems by far the most likely partner. I’m not suggesting a Jones-Bouchard 2nd pair or anything.

    The problem with waiting one year to make a move is that that’s the literal worst time to move a D for value.

    Loads of teams are about to lose a D they don’t want to, and not many are going to be able to trade and the protect extra D. Holland would be getting 50c on the dollar (at best) trying to move Klefbom, Nurse or Jones then.

    I’m wondering if it’s as likely (if Holland trades a D) the return is an upgrade on D as it is a forward.

  166. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Neal has had trouble keeping up for 2 years.
    Your eyes only see what fits your current narrative.

    Nope – my eyes saw that “heavy fourth line” being one of the more effective lines – somewhat consistently creating o-zone time, being aggressive and winning battles and Neal skating just fine and being a material part of the line.

    Taking a quick look through NST and, yup, positive possession, 75% goal share, etc.

    Having an opinion that doesn’t line up with yours does not equate to propagating a narrative.

    I have no narrative on James Neal. He was not a good even strength player this season. He also had no issues keeping up in the qualifier from what I saw.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: A goalie on a heater is what’s working for Dallas.
    I liked Maroon when he was here. I was telling people he was better than Lucic long before it was cool to do so.
    But I don’t see him making a big difference against any team anymore. Maybe as Tampas answer to Reaves if Vegas had made the finals. Tampas big, heavy dman should be able handle the Dallas big,slow forwards.

    Khudobin wasn’t on a heater when they beat the Avs.

    I think he had a .909 going in to the WCF.

  168. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: You don’t know what the coaching staff thinks. You are taking 1 or 2 quotes and building a narrative around them. Just like you always do.

    The summary above is not a narrative – its paraphrasing Gully’s express words – it wasn’t 1 or 2 quotes it was talking about the PP for 10 minutes.

    Again, not agreeing with you is not propagating a narrative – your opinion is not gospel.

  169. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: The Canucks have a legit #1D who is 20 years old..

    This is foolish, he’s not a #1D. He might get there one day, but he’s not there now.

    He played 2nd pairing TOI and comp all year and hasn’t yet spent 10 min on the PK for his career.

    No shame in being a slightly sheltered offensive defenseman though.

  170. pts2pndr says:

    jp: Well among the current options Larsson seems by far the most likely partner. I’m not suggesting a Jones-Bouchard 2nd pair or anything.

    The problem with waiting one year to make a move is that that’s the literal worst time to move a D for value.

    Loads of teams are about to lose a D they don’t want to, and not many are going to be able to trade and the protect extra D. Holland would be getting 50c on the dollar (at best) trying to move Klefbom, Nurse or Jones then.

    I’m wondering if it’s as likely (if Holland trades a D) the return is an upgrade on D as it is a forward.

    The possible trade for Parayko would make sense as it would allow The Blues to re-sign Peterangelo and allow the Oilers to move Larsson.

  171. jp says:

    pts2pndr: The possible trade for Paraykowould make sense as it would allow The Blues to re-sign Peterangelo and allow the Oilers to move Larsson.

    Yup, I was actually thinking of Parayko there. Dare to dream.

  172. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Do you really think Bettman or the NHLPA is going to insist that the owners fund escrow next year, and that the NHL and NHLPA don’t undertand next year that escrow is really the equivalent of a salary rollback? They know there is going to be nothing to distribute to the players.

    The new CBA essentially guarentees that the NHL PA will receive far more than their 50% share of revenues for the first two years.There is no need to fund the escrow accounts.

    Revenues are going to be down by far more than 30%.

    Of course the entire amount of escrow will be going to the owners this coming season but that does not allow for the NHL to change the mechanisms for its collection, aggregation and distribution.

    Teams won’t be holding back the 20% end stop – that money will be paid, aggregated and then re-distributed.

  173. who says:

    OriginalPouzar: The summary above is not a narrative – its paraphrasing Gully’s express words – it wasn’t 1 or 2 quotes it was talking about the PP for 10 minutes.

    Again, not agreeing with you is not propagating a narrative – your opinion is not gospel.

    Have I ever said my opinion is gospel? It’s just an opinion.
    The difference between me and you is that I am comfortable enough with my opinion that I don’t need to restate it 50 times. To every poster who posts on this board.

  174. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: I expect they will re-sign Tanev to a team friendly deal

    If Tanev was going to take a hometown discount why wouldn’t he do it in his actual home town, where they’re also desperately in need of some decent D?

  175. flyfish1168 says:

    Jordan Eberle scores OT goal. his most important playoff goal so far

  176. hunter1909 says:

    Watching the last OT period I wanted Eberle to get a point on the winning goal. I had no idea he’d score the thing.

    Great going! Eberle finally scores a OT winning playoff goal in Edmonton!!

  177. Material Elvis says:

    Nice goal by Eberle. Good for him. You know who could use a veteran, skill RW who is a proven playoff performer? Of course…..

  178. hunter1909 says:

    who: Have I ever said my opinion is gospel? It’s just an opinion.
    The difference between me and you is that I am comfortable enough with my opinion that I don’t need to restate it 50 times. To every poster who posts on this board.

    Now that you mention it OP has a lot in common with Harper’s Hair. The same droning on endlessly no worries if it bothers anyone. Pure narcissism lol

  179. Giggleplex says:

    hunter1909:
    Watching the last OT period I wanted Eberle to get a point on the winning goal. I had no idea he’d score the thing.

    Great going! Eberle finally scores a OT winning playoff goal in Edmonton!!

    In orange and blue, no less!

  180. godot10 says:

    Eberle scores on for #Flattop and #Chiapet

  181. hunter1909 says:

    Giggleplex: In orange and blue, no less!

    ha ha ha

  182. Gerta Rauss says:

    He didn’t dust that one off

    Shattenkirk whiffs on a point shot and it results in a 2 on 1 the other way

    Good for Ebs, I’m happy for him

  183. godot10 says:

    godot10:
    Eberle scores on for #Flattop and #Chiapet

    “scores one”

    Where is the damn edit button?

  184. jp says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey: Was browsing armchair GM rosters on CapFriendly today and noticed a lot of MTL fans trading away Jordan Weal to make room either salary or roster wise.
    A quick glance at his fancies on puckiq.com shows he’s not getting his head kicked in, and until this season with MTL was being deployed fairly regularly vs elite opposition.
    Would he be worth a trade, say for Chaisson to recoup some cap or for JJ to upgrade the 4C? He’s 52.7% career FO and shoots right (10.1% career).
    He’s on a one year deal, so risk is minimal. Or maybe he’s totally replaceable and that’s why MTL fans are so eager to trade him? I don’t know. Thought it worth asking.

    He looks like a guy who’s been unlucky his whole career (his teams almost always outshooting when he’s on the ice, but still getting outscored).

    He’s got some skill, but he also doesn’t appear to play C full time and doesn’t PK at all.

    Seems like a good guy you might throw in the mix and maybe he rises to the top. I’m not sure he’s a clear upgrade on Khaira and Haas, just more of the same.

    He’s probably not “the answer” but like you say the risk is minimal. Interesting thought.

  185. Gerta Rauss says:

    godot10: Where is the damn edit button?

    The pandemic has been tough on everyone LoL

  186. Material Elvis says:

    who: Have I ever said my opinion is gospel? It’s just an opinion.
    The difference between me and you is that I am comfortable enough with my opinion that I don’t need to restate it 50 times. To every poster who posts on this board.

    You and OP remind me of two bickering brothers. Like to argue a lot and would be highly entertaining at family functions.

  187. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: This is foolish, he’s not a #1D. He might get there one day, but he’s not there now.

    He played 2nd pairing TOI and comp all year and hasn’t yet spent 10 min on the PK for his career.

    No shame in being a slightly sheltered offensive defenseman though.

    What is foolish is you constantly repeating the mantra that a #1D has to penalty kill.

    That’s nonsense.

    Does McDavid not penalty kill mean he’s being sheltered?

    Of course not.

    Any sane coach uses his top players to create offense at evens and on the PP not expose them to shot blocking…that’s what the foot soldiers are for.

  188. Material Elvis says:

    godot10: “scores one”

    Where is the damn edit button?

    I think we could have parsed that one out. Give us a little credit man!

  189. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: If Tanev was going to take a hometown discount why wouldn’t he do it in his actual home town, where they’re also desperately in need of some decent D?

    I never mentioned a “hometown discount “….you did.

    Tanev was an undrafted free agent signed by the Canucks eons ago and has made Vancouver his home for a very long time.

    He has stated publicly and repeatedly that he wants to retire as a Canuck.

    Has RNH ever expressed that sentiment….even once?

  190. Harpers Hair says:

    hunter1909: Now that you mention it OP has a lot in common with Harper’s Hair. The same droning on endlessly no worries if it bothers anyone. Pure narcissism lol

    Have I ever posted a topless selfie of myself on a beach on this forum?

  191. flyfish1168 says:

    Harpers Hair: What is foolish is you constantly repeating the mantra that a #1D has to penalty kill.

    That’s nonsense.

    Does McDavid not penalty kill mean he’s being sheltered?

    Of course not.

    Any sane coach uses his top players to create offense at evens and on the PP not expose them to shot blocking…that’s what the foot soldiers are for.

    Gretzky scored 73 of his 894 goals playing shorthanded, Mark Messier is next with 63, followed by Steve Yzerman with 50 and Mario Lemieux with 49.

  192. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: What is foolish is you constantly repeating the mantra that a #1D has to penalty kill.

    That’s nonsense.

    Does McDavid not penalty kill mean he’s being sheltered?

    Of course not.

    Any sane coach uses his top players to create offense at evens and on the PP not expose them to shot blocking…that’s what the foot soldiers are for.

    Harpers Hair: What is foolish is you constantly repeating the mantra that a #1D has to penalty kill.

    That’s nonsense.

    Does McDavid not penalty kill mean he’s being sheltered?

    Of course not.

    Any sane coach uses his top players to create offense at evens and on the PP not expose them to shot blocking…that’s what the foot soldiers are for.

    Name some other “legit #1D” who play 2nd pairing minutes and comp at even strength. And who don’t PK.

    (McDavid actually played 4X as many PK minutes as Hughes did this year btw)

  193. OriginalPouzar says:

    who: Have I ever said my opinion is gospel? It’s just an opinion.
    The difference between me and you is that I am comfortable enough with my opinion that I don’t need to restate it 50 times. To every poster who posts on this board.

    Factually incorrect.

    I restate my opinion when its relevant to something I read in LT’s blog or as I go through the comments. It has nothing to do with comfort, it has to do with reading about and participating in conversation relating to the Oilers – the reason I come to this community.

    I don’t know why that bothers you or why you need to attribute some sort of narrative character trait because you don’t like the volume of my posts.

  194. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: I never mentioned a “hometown discount “….you did.

    Tanev was an undrafted free agent signed by the Canucks eons ago and has made Vancouver his home for a very long time.

    He has stated publicly and repeatedly that he wants to retire as a Canuck.

    Apologies, “team friendly” was what you said.

    You don’t think he expects the Canucks to pay him fairly though?

    You know, being the guy who actually plays 1st pairing minutes and 1st pairing opponents? (and also one of the main guys who PKs so Hughes doesn’t have to).

  195. Harpers Hair says:

    TOi/GP

    Edler 23:00
    Hughes 22:48
    Tanev 21:18
    Myers 19:37
    Stetcher 16:20
    Benn 16:09

    Both Edler and Tanev kill penalties..no doubt who the #1D is.

  196. Harpers Hair says:

    jp: Apologies, “team friendly” was what you said.

    You don’t think he expects the Canucks to pay him fairly though?

    You know, being the guy who actually plays 1st pairing minutes and 1st pairing opponents? (and also one of the main guys who PKs so Hughes doesn’t have to).

    Oh, I expect they will tender him a fair offer but we’ll see what that is in the current climate.

    The rest of your post is just nonsense.

    Hughes and Tanev were almost always a pair all season.

    Hughes take the PP minutes while Tanev takes the PK.

    Pretty much an ideal situation for a 20 year old.

    Would you do it differently just to prove a point?

  197. Harpers Hair says:

    flyfish1168: Gretzky scored 73 of his 894 goals playing shorthanded, Mark Messier is next with 63, followed by Steve Yzerman with 50 and Mario Lemieux with 49.

    That’s nice.

    How many SH goals did Paul Coffey score?

  198. pts2pndr says:

    hunter1909: Now that you mention it OP has a lot in common with Harper’s Hair. The same droning on endlessly no worries if it bothers anyone. Pure narcissism lol

    Wrong! If OP was like the Harpy Hair he would be annoying people on purpose on a Canuck site. OP passes on many useful updates and is a loyal Oiler Fan! OP adds value to the site HH not so much.

  199. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Oh, I expect they will tender him a fair offer but we’ll see what that is in the current climate.

    The rest of your post is just nonsense.

    Hughes and Tanev were almost always a pair all season.

    Hughes take the PP minutes while Tanev takes the PK.

    Pretty much an ideal situation for a 20 year old.

    Would you do it differently just to prove a point?

    The coach would do it differently if he was a legitimate number one D. You can rationalize if you like but bottom line your ass is sucking wind! You obviously subscribe to the theory that if you can’t dazzle with brilliance best baffle with BS.

  200. jp says:

    Harpers Hair:
    TOi/GP

    Edler 23:00
    Hughes 22:48
    Tanev 21:18
    Myers 19:37
    Stetcher 16:20
    Benn 16:09

    Both Edler and Tanev kill penalties..no doubt who the #1D is.

    PP TOI:
    Hughes 3:46
    Myers 1:19
    Edler 1:10

    Even strength TOI:
    Myers 18:24
    Edler 18:08
    Hughes 17:53
    Tanev 15:53
    Stetcher 14:36
    Fantenberg 14:27
    Benn 13:49

    % 5v5 TOI vs elites
    Tanev 36.2
    Edler 35.6
    Hughes 32.6
    Myers 31.6
    Benn 21.5
    Fantenberg 20.7
    Stetcher 20.5

    PK TOI:
    Tanev 3:24
    Edler 3:07
    Benn 2:22
    Myers 1:38
    Fantenberg 1:14
    Stetcher 0:33
    Hughes 0:03

    PK minutes are hard.

    So the #1D is Edler, right? That’s what I said yesterday. Do you think it’s someone else?

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