Mockingbird Hill

by Lowetide

I always stare at the final draft list when it gets completed over at hockeydb. I’ve been staring at this one for four years and have run the gamut of emotions: Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. It’s that last one that appears to be the sticking point.

THE ATHLETIC!

OILERS MOCK

No. 14 overall RW Jacob Perreault, Sarnia Sting (OHL). I chose him because he has so many good arrows. Perreault is an April 2002, shoots right, is a volume shooter (207 shots) and a productive player (39 goals). He plays in the world’s great junior league and has an outstanding release. He’s a fine skater but described as inconsistent and has the usual teenage deficiency with defensive play.

No. 76 overall: LHD Yan Kuznetsov, Connecticut (Hockey East). I wasn’t convinced of him early but he posted good results in a man’s league as a teenager (March 2002). Good speed, big man (6.04, 209) with a massive wingspan.

No. 135 overall: LC Eliot Ekmark, Linkoping (SuperElite). Terrific skater and a skill pivot who is undersized (5.09, 162) but not shy. Plays a ton, good at gaining zone entry. He has a lot of tools.

No. 169 overall: RHD Landon Koisor, Prince Albert Raiders (WHL). Good skating defenseman who is a little undersized (5.11, 190). He is an excellent puck transporter, and a perfect fit for the modern NHL that requires both standing up at the blueline and beating the winger to the defensive end for puck retrieval.

No. 200 overall: LW Eric Juhlin, Vasteras (SuperElite). A great skater and stickhandler, smart player with a physical edge despite average size (6.0, 176).

I believe the Oilers will find another pick, likely somewhere between 35 and 90, and add another scoring prospect. Edmonton does have a quality scorer on the horizon (Raphael Lavoie) but Kirill Maksimov, Matej Blumel and Maxim Denezhkin are the other notables on a small list of players who at least have a chance of scoring buckets of goals in pro hockey. An aggressive draft with five pure shooters is recommended, but the three forwards out of five picks reflected above is probably a reasonable prediction for Holland’s Oilers.

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Mikeoes

Other than Benson (who went from “what a steal in 2nd round” to “I hope he can play as a 3rd liner with minimal scoring”, who else from 2016 draft is worth discussing?

Brantford Boy

Uh LT, Jacob Perreault? I thought we just agreed on Dawson Mercer in your previous moch the other day… you’re doing it again, as you do every year… I’m going through the five stages of grief as we speak…

leadfarmer

That 3rd round is such a waste.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

I would vomit in my mouth a bit if Holland were to pick Perreault. I would shit myself AND vomit if Holland were to pick Perreault at 14.

OilersFuture

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
I would vomit in my mouth a bit if Holland were to pick Perreault. I would shit myself AND vomit if Holland were to pick Perreault at 14.

Well, now I’m kinda hoping they pick Perreault. So … are you able to shit on demand? That’s a hell of a talent

GordieHoweHatTrick

leadfarmer:
That 3rd round is such a waste.

So is the 1st when you don’t develop it properly…

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

OilersFuture: Well, now I’m kinda hoping they pick Perreault.So … are you able to shit on demand? That’s a hell of a talent

I’d be the 1st overall pick of the shitting on command draft. The McDavid of on-demand deuces.

JJS

Perfectly highlights why the draft age should be pushed back a year

Let these kids develop a bit more before the pressure of the draft/living up to a number

They are just kids

pts2pndr

JJS:
Perfectly highlights why the draft age should be pushed back a year

Let these kids develop a bit more before the pressure of the draft/living up to a number

They are just kids

There were legal reasons why the draft was moved to where it is now

flyfish1168

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
I would vomit in my mouth a bit if Holland were to pick Perreault. I would shit myself AND vomit if Holland were to pick Perreault at 14.

Interesting. Would you elaborate on why you dislike this player?

Elgin R

Lowetide: Lol. It’s my way of making sure we’ve tasted all of the different kinds of wine before choosing.

If Holland picked Perreault at #14 when Seth Jarvis is available we would know that he has been sampling the vino. This would not be a cast of ‘in vino veritas’.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

flyfish1168,

He has the offensive tools, but his scouting report notes weaknesses that put players on my don’t draft list. Things like poor defensive effort and inconsistency of effort along with some skating deficiencies. The fact that he’s primarily a W doesn’t help, either. More than anything else, there’ll be much better options wherever we end up picking.

Halfwise

pts2pndr: There were legal reasons why the draft was moved to where it is now

I would be in favour of each team being able to pick one 18 year old, thus meeting those legal requirements. But, allow a team to trade its right to pick an 18 year old, to some other team who sees value in it.

Risk, reward, free market needs being served? Check.
Keeping all but 32 of the eligible 18 year olds in their junior leagues for another year of maturing? Check.

If junior leagues are limited this coming season, and therefore development is limited, this would be a great year to work out the details and implement it for the next draft. Everyone would benefit.

godot10

Tampa has 42 centres and they all can play wing.

Draft a centre. #14 is a sweet spot for drafting a centre, something #20-something wasn’t.

Besides, McDavid needs all-around wingers more than the needs shooters. i.e. he needs wingers to do his checking (its been five years, McDavid, like Gretzky, is never going to check). he needs wingers who can spring him with outlet and give and go passes. Centres tend to possess more all-around skills, and when converted to wing.

tavvey tune

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: I’d be the 1st overall pick of the shitting on command draft. The McDavid of on-demand deuces.

Your grandkids will be taking you for Show And Tell at school, that’s for sure….

BONE207

LT…It’s that last one that appears to be the sticking point.

I thought he was referring to Vincent Desharnais. A 6.5 defender who isn’t a coke machine would be useful for a Klefbom or a Bear cohort. Where is he now? I think the oilers released him…

BONE207

iBONE207:
LT…It’s that last one that appears to be the sticking point.

I thought he was referring to Vincent Desharnais. A 6.5 defender who isn’t a coke machine would be useful for a Klefbom or a Bear cohort. Where is he now? I think the oilers released him…

Nope…he’s in Bako next season…should that happen

OriginalPouzar

Samorukov with another 18:27 played today (which I believe was 2nd highest TOI among d-men) and was plus 1 with 3 shots on goal in a 2-1 shootout win.

The arrows continue to point up as his solid start to the season continues – that is great ice.

No Maksimov in the game – he seems to be flip-flopping between 13 minutes in the KHL and 20 minutes in the VHL.

slopitch

Hey so I put together a mock team on the basis of a big trade. Klefbom + Kassian for Parayko + Bozak (Im not sure St Louis does this trade but Klefbom is a beaut and it frees up 4m for Pieterangelo)

Nuge-Connor-JP
Ennis-Drai-Yamo
Benson-Bozak-Neal
Nygard-Haas-Archibald
Russell-Gagner

Nurse – Parayko
Jones – Bear
Russell – Bouchard
Lagesson

Other moves to make cap work.

Larsson for a late 1st
Jujar for a 4th
AA for a 2nd and 4th

Sign a goalie for 2m (not Smith)

I’d be a bit scared of the D. Its quite thin but they can add a 6D and let Bouchard start on the farm if he has a bad camp). But the farm system sure gets restocked this year. Gone are the 2 worst 5v5 players on the team Sheahand and Jujar. Gagner offers PP and 4C insurance.

Brantford Boy

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Things like poor defensive effort and inconsistency of effort

Sounds like he’d fit right in… as long as he’s good in the room…

doritogrande

Tampa has 42 centres and they all can play wing.

Draft a centre.

This. All day, this.

You can never have too many forwards who can take a faceoff in a pinch. That being said, I’m pretty sure my 1st round target (Quinn), is not actually a C. So what do I know?

Fuge Udvar

slopitch,

I would make that trade in a second. I like Klefbom but it is starting to feel like if any of the D with real value (Nurse, Bear, Bouchard) are going to be moved it should be him.

pts2pndr

Halfwise: I would be in favour of each team being able to pick one 18 year old, thus meeting those legal requirements. But, allow a team to trade its right to pick an 18 year old, to some other team who sees value in it.

Risk, reward, free market needs being served? Check.
Keeping all but 32 of the eligible 18 year olds in their junior leagues for another year of maturing? Check.

If junior leagues are limited this coming season, and therefore development is limited, this would be a great year to work out the details and implement it for the next draft. Everyone would benefit.

I was thinking that would work as well and would seem to make sense monetarily for the league.

pts2pndr

slopitch,

Why does everyone want to break up was the best line in hockey to make two second lines. Leave a true first line alone and find someone to play with Connor and Kassian to make a quality second line. Or even try Connor between JP and Benson. Putting Nuge with Connor leaves a hole on each line. It’s like having a hole in one sock and taking a scissors to the other sock to create balance.

pts2pndr

pts2pndr,

First line of Nuge Draisaitl and Yamamoto.

OriginalPouzar

Looking at that draft list, there are 3 prospects with very good chances of NHL careers – in my opinion – Puljujarvi, Benson and Berglund.

Mileage may vary on Berglund but, from what I’ve read and seen, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was ready for 3RD right now, let alone in a year. If he was coming over this year (and he’s not), I think it could potentially change the conversation on Benning.

I think most of us agree that the only thing holding Puljujarvi back from an NHL career right now is Jesse. Sure, is unlikely he becomes that legit 1RW that we thought he was going to be on draft day but he’s a “real prospect”.

Benson is on track as one would expect for a 2nd round pick and, take away DeBrincat, he is showing well vis-a-vis those drafted in and around him.

—————-

I haven’t given up totally on Well but he’s going to be lost in the shuffle with Konvalov and Rodrigue showing real promise – great start to the year for Konovalov – keep it up and he’s 1B in 2021/22.

I haven’t totally given up on Niemeläinen – I mean, I had but then he had a big year in Liiga – playing big minutes and putting his name in the conversation – a long shot but those big d-men can take some time. Really hoping there is an AHL season for him to come back to.

OriginalPouzar

Craig Button on Jacob Perrault: “He’s a one-dimensional goal scorer”.

Well, goal scoring is pretty darn important isnt it?

I believe Button went on to say that he’d be a good fit for the Oilers – i.e. goal scoring.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

OriginalPouzar:
Craig Button on Jacob Perrault: “He’s a one-dimensional goal scorer”.

Well, goal scoring is pretty darn important isnt it?

I believe Button went on to say that he’d be a good fit for the Oilers – i.e. goal scoring.

Sure, goal scoring is great. Pick the 52-goal scorer from the OHL or the 42-goal scorer from the WHL. Neither of them are deficient in skating, effort, or defense and still do plenty of the elite hockeying.

godot10

OriginalPouzar:
Craig Button on Jacob Perrault: “He’s a one-dimensional goal scorer”.

Well, goal scoring is pretty darn important isnt it?

I believe Button went on to say that he’d be a good fit for the Oilers – i.e. goal scoring.

The Oilers need to surround McDavid and Draisaitl with multi-dimensional players, not one way players.

Nugent-Hopkins and Yamamoto are multidimensional. They were filling the net playing with Draisaitl, without taking away from Draisaitl’s goalscoring, because they could pass the puck back to him, not just shoot the puck.

Nugent-Hopkins became a near elite goal scorer and scorer…

One dimensional players force elite players to make compromises in their game to compensate for the limitations of a one dimensional player. One compromises the upside potential fo the elite player.

Note: Jack Quinn is more than just a goal scorer. I prefer a centre, but since the consensus ranks him higher than #14, I won’t complain (too much) if he falls and the Oilers pick him.

If it is a winger, it better not be a reach pick. It better be a Holtz, or Raymond, or Quinn sliding.

I think I prefer Raymond to Holtz, but it is probably irrelevant from the Oilers perspective since both will be gone.

Woogie63

slopitch,

That defense is an injury or two from trading for Alex Petrovic and Brandon Manning

OriginalPouzar

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Sure, goal scoring is great. Pick the 52-goal scorer from the OHL or the 42-goal scorer from the WHL. Neither of them are deficient in skating, effort, or defense and still do plenty of the elite hockeying.

Yup, as I said (and as did Button) – goal scoring is important.

slopitch

pts2pndr:
slopitch,

Why does everyone want to break up was the best line in hockey to make two second lines. Leave a true first line alone and find someone to play with Connor and Kassian to make a quality second line. Or even try Connor between JP and Benson. Putting Nuge with Connor leavesa hole on each line. It’s like having a hole in one sock and taking a scissors to the other sock to create balance.

I think the lines are less important than the lineup. Lines can vary week to week or shift to shift. I liked the Nuge, Drai, Yamo line too. Just would like to get Connor back up to 55% GF/DFF/CFF and to do that he needs help. Personally I dont like Kassian with McDavid. Id rather see a 2 way guy that lets 97 do what he wants.

slopitch

Woogie63:
slopitch,

That defense is an injury or two from trading for Alex Petrovic and Brandon Manning

I agree. Ideally you keep Larsson a year but something had to give capwise. Id add a 6/7 vet who can fillin for 20 games if needed.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

OriginalPouzar,

Sure, but you also said “goal-scoring is pretty darn important, isn’t it?” in response to a quote about him being one-dimensional. Reads somewhat like you’d support Perreault over the others, hence my response.

godot10

slopitch: I think the lines are less important than the lineup. Lines can vary week to week or shift to shift. I liked the Nuge, Drai, Yamo line too. Just would like to get Connor back up to 55% GF/DFF/CFF and to do that he needs help. Personally I dont like Kassian with McDavid. Id rather see a 2 way guy that lets 97 do what he wants.

Marchand, Bergeron, Pasternk
Palat, Kucherov, and one of Stamkos or Point
Landeskog, MackInnon, Rantanen
Benn, Seguin, Radulov
Connor, Schieffle, Wheeler
Ovechkin, Kuzentzov, Oshie?

A good line can stay together for years.

Death By Misadventure

leadfarmer:
That 3rd round is such a waste.

Every damn year.

jp

Death By Misadventure: Every damn year.

Maybe not the recent years.
2017 (Samorukov, Skinner)
2019 (Konovalov)

But that 2009-11 run (Hesketh, Abney, Martindale, Perhonen, Ewanyk) certainly wasn’t very satisfying.

SwedishPoster

godot10: The Oilers need to surround McDavid and Draisaitl with multi-dimensional players, not one way players.

Nugent-Hopkins and Yamamoto are multidimensional.They were filling the net playing with Draisaitl, without taking away from Draisaitl’s goalscoring, because they could pass the puck back to him, not just shoot the puck.

Nugent-Hopkins became a near elite goal scorer and scorer…

One dimensional players force elite players to make compromises in their game to compensate for the limitations of a one dimensional player.One compromises the upside potential fo the elite player.

Note: Jack Quinn is more than just a goal scorer.I prefer a centre, but since the consensus ranks him higher than #14, I won’t complain (too much) if he falls and the Oilers pick him.

If it is a winger, it better not be a reach pick.It better be a Holtz, or Raymond, or Quinn sliding.

I think I prefer Raymond to Holtz, but it is probably irrelevant from the Oilers perspective since both will be gone.

Raymond stylistically is a near ideal winger for McDavid but he will obviously be gone.
Out of the guys who might be available I do think Jan Mysak is a very good fit for McDavid, smart, strong skater, two way ability, doesn’t have elite skill and creativity but can certainly make plays, can finish as well as find lanes. Also don’t think he’s that far off from being ready for tough pro minutes either, already does a lot of the coaches stuff well. I am much higher than most on Mysak though, I would gladly pick him top 10 and he seems to be slotted late first.

dustrock

https://theathletic.com/2063531/2020/09/13/live-qa-corey-pronman-answers-questions-about-the-nhl-draft/

Pronman has Zary and Mercer in the back half of the first round because of skating concerns.

An exec texted him and said “if Amirov gets past 15, it’s a steal”.

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual

SwedishPoster,

I would 100% support a trade down into the 20s to grab Mysak (or Bourque). If the pick we got in return for the trade down could get us Robins, even better!

pts2pndr

Dylan Holloway checks a lot of boxes. His numbers weren’t great at Wisconsin however given that he went from playing with boys to men and the decrease in ice time his numbers were actually quite good. Has the tool box and is an excellent skater. Goes to the hard areas and penalty minutes indicate he is not a shrinking violet. Wood be sort of cool to steal someone out of Calgary’s back yard. I think he could be the sleeper pick for the first round.

slopitch

godot10: Marchand, Bergeron, Pasternk
Palat, Kucherov, and one of Stamkos or Point
Landeskog, MackInnon, Rantanen
Benn, Seguin, Radulov
Connor, Schieffle, Wheeler
Ovechkin, Kuzentzov, Oshie?

A good line can stay together for years.

Sure. Drai, Connor, Maroon was a good line too. The Oilers arent able to leave good lines together cuz they arent deep enough and the other lines get caved. Tippett likely thought 97 needed a quality winger too when he added Nuge to 97s wing for the playoffs. Didnt work. But saying “lines change” isnt really counter to the point that good lines stay together either.

Reja

OriginalPouzar:
Looking at that draft list, there are 3 prospects with very good chances of NHL careers – in my opinion – Puljujarvi, Benson and Berglund.

Mileage may vary on Berglund but, from what I’ve read and seen, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was ready for 3RD right now, let alone in a year.If he was coming over this year (and he’s not), I think it could potentially change the conversation on Benning.

I think most of us agree that the only thing holding Puljujarvi back from an NHL career right now is Jesse. Sure, is unlikely he becomes that legit 1RW that we thought he was going to be on draft day but he’s a “real prospect”.

Benson is on track as one would expect for a 2nd round pick and, take away DeBrincat, he is showing well vis-a-vis those drafted in and around him.

—————-

I haven’t given up totally on Well but he’s going to be lost in the shuffle with Konvalov and Rodrigue showing real promise – great start to the year for Konovalov – keep it up and he’s 1B in 2021/22.

I haven’t totally given up on Niemeläinen – I mean, I had but then he had a big year in Liiga – playing big minutes and putting his name in the conversation – a long shot but those big d-men can take some time.Really hoping there is an AHL season for him to come back to.

Jesse doesn’t want to play in Edmonton but at least his agent wised up after Holland got out the cue card instructions to make it at least sound like he does. If lm Holland I package him up or maybe Aho and Carolina pays the asking price of a later 1st rounder if not I don’t trade him just for the sake of trading him. Jesse can always take his talents to the KHL if he’s looking for a payday.

OriginalPouzar

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
OriginalPouzar,

Sure, but you also said “goal-scoring is pretty darn important, isn’t it?” in response to a quote about him being one-dimensional. Reads somewhat like you’d support Perreault over the others, hence my response.

Oh, sorry.

Nope, don’t support Perreault over the others – I don’t know enough about these guys to make that determination. Was just making a “high-level” statement that “one-dimensional goal scorer” shouldn’t necessarily be taken as a negative.

Reja

godot10: Marchand, Bergeron, Pasternk
Palat, Kucherov, and one of Stamkos or Point
Landeskog, MackInnon, Rantanen
Benn, Seguin, Radulov
Connor, Schieffle, Wheeler
Ovechkin, Kuzentzov, Oshie?

A good line can stay together for years.

I don’t blame Tip for starting Smith the first game he’s a players coach and him and Smith go way back but for the live of me I’ll never understand the breaking up Leon’s line and the stubbornness not to reunite them when we needed goals.

OriginalPouzar

Condors are loaning Devin Brosseau and Yanni Kaldis to the Dornbirn Bulldogs of the Austrian Hockey League until the AHL starts up.

There has been some speculation of Olivier Rodrigue heading to Austria to play which would be great – that would be a bit different as Rodrigue, of course, has an NHL contract and not an AHL only deal.

I wonder if Holland/Gretzky can get Phil Kemp signed to an AHL deal and loaned out to Europe like this? I’ve been wondering what might happen with Kemp for a while as he’s going in to his senior year but the Ivy League hockey has been cancelled. He may want to graduate but that would mean the year off competitive hockey.

jp

OriginalPouzar,

Cool news. It’s not trivial to find a spot for guys that far down the food chain to play.

Though Brousseau and Kaldis are about as legit a pair of prospects as you can find on an AHL deal anywhere.

flyfish1168

Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual: Sure, goal scoring is great. Pick the 52-goal scorer from the OHL or the 42-goal scorer from the WHL. Neither of them are deficient in skating, effort, or defense and still do plenty of the elite hockeying.

Pick the best skater between them. We don’t need another Schremp