Sit Down, Young Stranger

Leon Draisaitl photo by Mark Williams

The Oilers under Ken Holland appear to be on the way to signing a ‘shadow team’ of minor leaguers to AHL contracts. Honestly, it was crazy before all the kids signed to NHL deals started getting loaned out to European teams, and then the Adam Cracknell signing seemed to signal the completion of signings for Bakersfield. Yesterday? Two more.

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BAKERSFIELD CONDORS ON NHL CONTRACTS 2020-21

  • Goalies (4): Stuart Skinner, Dylan Wells, Olivier Rodrigue, Angus Redmond
  • Left Defense (5): William Lagesson, Dmitri Samorukov, Philip Broberg, Theodor Lennstrom, Markus Niemelainen
  • Right Defense (2): Evan Bouchard, Logan Day
  • Center (3): Cooper Marody, Ryan McLeod, Cam Hebig
  • Left Wing (4): Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Ryan Kuffner, Nolan Vesey
  • Right Wing (4): Adam Cracknell, Raphael Lavoie, Kirill Maksimov, Ostap Safin

Let’s start with the RFA’s. I think Lagesson, Day and Kuffner get signed but you should know that all these minor league free agents mean a major cull of the 50-man. Redmond, Hebig, Vesey and Ryan Mantha are not qualified in this model.

AHL CONTRACTS

  • Goalies (0): 
  • Left Defense (3): Ryan Stanton, Jake Kulevich, Yanni Kaldis
  • Right Defense (1): Janis Jaks
  • Center (3): Brad Malone, Luke Esposito, James Hamblin
  • Left Wing (3): Blake Christensen, Devin Brosseau, Graham McPhee
  • Right Wing (2): Jakub Stukel, Liam Folkes

Stanton will play in the top-4D with Bakersfield, that’s a great get by Bakersfield general manager Keith Gretzky. Malone will also be a big part of the team. I think Holland signs a goalie to an NHL deal and that player will be the NHL recall for 2020-21 in net.

PROJECTED 2020-21 CONDORS ROSTER

  • Goalies (2): Stuart Skinner, AHL starter
  • Left Defense (4): William Lagesson, Ryan Stanton, Jake Kulevich, Markus Niemelainen
  • Right Defense (3): Evan Bouchard, Theodor Lennstrom, Logan Day
  • Center (5): Cooper Marody, Brad Malone, Ryan McLeod, Luke Esposito, James Hamblin
  • Left Wing (4): Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Ryan Kuffner, Blake Christenson
  • Right Wing (5): Adam Cracknell, Raphael Lavoie, Kirill Maksimov, Ostap Safin

Lagesson may be in the NHL, if so Edmonton will need another top-4D for the season. They could use some help on the wings too, but it’s important for the young wingers to play.

OILERS 2020-21 50-MAN ROSTER (41)

I’ve included only the RFA’s who are likely to be on the roster or could be on the roster.

  • Goalies (4): Mikko Koskinen, Stuart Skinner, Dylan Wells, Olivier Rodrigue.
  • Left Defense (9): Oscar Klefbom, Darnell Nurse, Caleb Jones, Kris Russell, William Lagesson (RFA), Philip Broberg, Theodor Lennstrom, Dmitri Samorukov, Markus Niemelainen.
  • Right Defense (6): Adam Larsson, Ethan Bear (RFA), Matt Benning (RFA), Evan Bouchard, Logan Day (RFA), Filip Berglund
  • Center (6): Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Jujhar Khaira, Gaetan Haas, Cooper Marody, Ryan McLeod
  • Left Wing (8): Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Andreas Athanasiou (RFA), James Neal, Joakim Nygard, Tyler Benson, Joe Gambardella, Ryan Kuffner (RFA), Ostap Safin
  • Right Wing (8): Zack Kassian, Kailer Yamamoto, Josh Archibald, Alex Chiasson, Patrick Russell, Raphael Lavoie, Kirill Maksimov, Adam Cracknell

It’s plain to see the needs: NHL goalie, NHL No. 3 center, AHL goalie, AHL defenseman if Lagesson is on the NHL team. I think the two-way winger is also a need for the McDavid line, and there seems to be a lot of smoke around acquiring a defenseman.

Draisaitl last played August 7, that was five weeks ago. Previous to those four games against Chicago, LD played last on March 11. That’s 189 days, so yeah, playing would seem to be a good idea. Don’t get hurt, Leon!

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91 Responses to "Sit Down, Young Stranger"

  1. hunter1909 says:

    Islanders forward Eberle ensures the Bolts are exposed once more by being forced to play 1 too many games while Cory Perry sharpens his stick lol

  2. hunter1909 says:

    How could Edmonton get Perry on the team? He’s the perfect vet for the playoffs. Kevin Lowe could even offer to chauffeur him around.

  3. dustrock says:

    Interesting thinking of the players who didn’t even make the play-in round and how long it’s going to be away from competitive ice time before the start of the season.

  4. dustrock says:

    https://theathletic.com/2054516/2020/09/16/nhl-scouts-poll-2020-byfield-vs-stutzle-video-views-and-an-exceptional-crop/

    Sunaya interviews a bunch of scouts about this year’s draft.

    Some interesting insights, including:

    How high do you see goaltender Yaroslav Askarov (SKA, VHL) going?

    Inside the top 10.
    I think he will go around 10 or so.
    13
    13
    13
    15
    Top 10 talent but likely 10-15 range
    10-15 depending on team needs. I know there are a couple of teams that would like to add to their goalie depth.

  5. Elgin R says:

    Good to see Leon getting some playing time in the homeland.

    Keeping spots available on the 50-man list is imperative this year. Keeping cap and options open until the last minute should allow Holland to improve this team. There will be teams that will delay in making decisions until the last minute to get down to the NHL or their own cap level. Time to take advantage.

    Will teams make bad trades during the season due to internal cap pressures from owners? Probably. Holland needs to keep some cap-room available or that as well.

    Trade KRusty and Chiasson asap to free up cap and two more spots on the the 50-man list.

    More rumours today with respect to the Oilers and OEL. For the love of Gord – End the Insanity.

  6. Woogie63 says:

    Assignments for Oiler’s operational team;

    Mr. Holland

    1. Trade Kris Russell for picks, this give the team $12.7M to build out the line-up
    2. Sign RFA with arbitration right AA ($3); Benning ($1.9M)
    3. Sign a UFA 1B goalie for 2 years or less ($3.0)
    4. Sign Jesse ($1.2M)
    5. Sign RFA w/o arbitration rights Bear ($1.1M), Lagesson (.8M)
    6. Add drafts picks
    7. Manage the edges – European teams for prospects, Kuffner, Kemp

    Mr. Tippet

    1. Expect internal growth and solutions to make the team better
    2. Continue to develop in the NHL – Yamamoto, Bear, Jones
    3. Find THE role for Jesse, AA, Bouchard, Benson,
    4. Use real time health and hockey analysis to get more out of the team – thing NFL coaches

  7. jp says:

    LT said:
    “BAKERSFIELD CONDORS ON NHL CONTRACTS 2020-21
    Left Defense (5): William Lagesson, Dmitri Samorukov, Philip Broberg, Theodor Lennstrom, Markus Niemelainen
    Right Defense (2): Evan Bouchard, Logan Day
    AHL CONTRACTS
    Left Defense (3): Ryan Stanton, Jake Kulevich, Yanni Kaldis
    Right Defense (1): Janis Jaks”
    ——————————————————————————————–

    The leftorium is alive and well folks, it’s just bubbling under at the moment.

    (looks like a quality collection of D for the AHL level though)

  8. leadfarmer says:

    Kolner Haie is also the correct answer in case you were wondering what the heck happened to James Sheppard.

  9. Harpers Hair says:

    Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) Tweeted:
    Hearing Bill Armstrong confirmed as ARIZ GM

  10. John Chambers says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) Tweeted:
    Hearing Bill Armstrong confirmed as ARIZ GM

    Bill’s got his work cut out for him

  11. Oilman99 says:

    hunter1909:
    How could Edmonton get Perry on the team? He’s the perfect vet for the playoffs. Kevin Lowe could even offer to chauffeur him around.

    They already have Neal to fill this role, he showed his value during the playin round, as he was one of the few players totally committed in every game. No salary space for another aging forward unless he is a third line Center.

  12. Oilman99 says:

    Elgin R,

    Trading Russell and Chiasson is easier said than done, there is a very limited market for these guys .

  13. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    I would think Armstrong in AZ would lessen the likelihood them getting fleeced in a trade.

  14. John Chambers says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR:
    I would think Armstrong in AZ would lessen the likelihood them getting fleeced in a trade.

    He is going to have to de-construct the roster though. Chayka mortgaged a lot of the future and there is no quick path to success there.

    Armstrong can build a team around:
    Keller, Schmaltz, Hayton, Garland, Chykryn (sp?), and beyond those guys they have a few vets on the wrong side of 30.

    He has little choice but to tear it down. They’re in worse shape than Ottawa 2.5 years ago.

  15. Reja says:

    Oilman99: They already have Neal to fill this role, he showed his value during the playin round, as he was one of the few players totally committed in every game. No salary space for another aging forward unless he is a third line Center.

    I agree Neal’s a cagey vet it makes zero sense to buy him out this year and Holland won’t. Ask Tkachuk if he’s ever going to mess with Neal again after taking a trademark Glenn Anderson stick to the chops doing a game last year.

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Samorukov, Broberg and Lavoie are mentioned as 2020/21 Condors but I don’t believe any of them will be (well, until their European season’s end).

    I think Sammy and Lavoie are committed to the KHL and SHL for the year.

    Broberg can come over at any time but i believe the current “plan” is for him to stay in Skelefteea for the entire season and the come over in April or so.

    If we are listing those guys then shouldn’t we list Fillip Berglund as well – he’s eligible to come over at any time, just like Broberg.

    The plan could change with Broberg I guess – the one scenario I have made up in my mind is NHL camps starting in and around the time the World Juniors are in Edmonton. Broberg will be in Edmonton and it may work out great logistically for camp. Perhaps, after a great 1st half of the year in Sweden, a great WJC and attending Oilers camp, they keep him in North America?

  17. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    John Chambers: He is going to have to de-construct the roster though. Chayka mortgaged a lot of the future and there is no quick path to success there.

    Armstrong can build a team around:
    Keller, Schmaltz, Hayton, Garland, Chykryn (sp?), and beyond those guys they have a few vets on the wrong side of 30.

    He has little choice but to tear it down. They’re in worse shape than Ottawa 2.5 years ago.

    Agreed. I just meant that he brings some stability. Steve Sullivan with the interim tag trying to sell off pieces likely had the whole league drooling.

  18. Harpers Hair says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: Agreed.I just meant that he brings some stability.Steve Sullivan with the interim tag trying to sell off pieces likely had the whole league drooling.

    You would have to think his first priority will be to acquire draft picks.

    I wonder if OEL will fetch a first.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Tyler Wright on with Stauffer:

    – trying to be creative given the timing of the draft and have lots of dialogue

    – meeting all week for final preps

    – luxury that some kids are now playing – can see not only progression but lack of progression

    – Stauff mentions Ghule 30 seconds in

    – they like to identify kids early that they like and try and get as many viewings as possible.

    – Would they hesitate to take a d-man at 14? “To be honest, 13 picks will be made ahead of us. We have to take the BPA that we deemed as a staff. Our philosophy may be different than other teams. If we see a major piece in a few years and its on the back end, we have to take it. Whether that’s a scoring wing or a center, you can’t have enough good players. We understand the depth charts of what we need but we need to take the best player available.”

    – Wright agreed with Bob’s statement that size is less an issue today than it used to be. References Tampa Bay. The game is changing and evolving. Small players will make you small team. Can I small team win? I don’t know, I think it can.

    – References the good nucleus with Klef and Nuge and Larsson and Jones and Broberg and Bouch and want to complement them

  20. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    Harpers Hair: You would have to think his first priority will be to acquire draft picks.

    I wonder if OEL will fetch a first.

    It’s a bad year to be trying to get value while unloading contracts. I’d expect teams to need to sweeten the pot in order to unload bigger contracts (see Kris Russell, James Neal). Cap space is a huge asset this offseason. That can’t be stressed enough IMO. Teams that have lots will basically be able to do whatever they want.

    Thant being said, OEL definitely gets them a first rounder plus plus.

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: It’s a bad year to be trying to get value while unloading contracts.I’d expect teams to need to sweeten the pot in order to unload bigger contracts (see Kris Russell, James Neal).Cap space is a huge asset this offseason.That can’t be stressed enough IMO.Teams that have lots will basically be able to do whatever they want.

    Thant being said, OEL definitely gets them a first rounder plus plus.

    That contract can only be absorbed by a few teams.

    Will certainly limit the return.

  22. Material Elvis says:

    As much as I would loathe the team to draft another left shot defenseman, Guhle actually looks like a pretty decent player.

  23. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Reja,

    I makes sense. You can disagree with the idea but it makes plenty of sense.

  24. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual,

    *It

    I yearn for your sweet embrace, edit button.

  25. Brantford Boy says:

    *** SPAM ***

    There’s a fairly decent article over at coppernblue on Dawson Mercer for anyone interested in reading.

    This is the player I hope we draft… full stop, and have to say I got even more excited reading about his toolkit. I’ve seen him compared to Marchessault, Landeskog, J. Toews, Forsberg, Trocheck and even Stone.

    His 200 foot game, compete level, and forechecking really stands out in all the available information.

  26. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR: It’s a bad year to be trying to get value while unloading contracts.I’d expect teams to need to sweeten the pot in order to unload bigger contracts (see Kris Russell, James Neal).Cap space is a huge asset this offseason.That can’t be stressed enough IMO.Teams that have lots will basically be able to do whatever they want.

    Thant being said, OEL definitely gets them a first rounder plus plus.

    This year a lot of teams will have cash issues. Russell is a NHL D that gets paid 1.5M next season. I think the 4M cap hit is less of an issue all things considered.

  27. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If the Oilers draft another D it has to be RHD. There’s only hopes and dreams after Bouchard. Leftorium still jam packed.

  28. TheGreatBigMac says:

    Here’s my roster with the rumored Ekman-Larsson and Fleury trades. We more depth at all positions, 1M in cap space and recover our picks for this year. We loose Nurse, Kassian, Neal, Russell, and Samarukov (ouch). I think this makes some sense. Right wing is shallow but I think Grabner could switch sides if need be.

    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1925819

  29. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tyler Wright on with Stauffer:

    Good info, thanks for passing it on.

    Hopefully they don’t end up with another LD, but I like the BPA stuff. And they’re open to smaller players, good to hear.

  30. Shane says:

    TheGreatBigMac,

    I looked at your roster and laughed when I thought of Kevin Quinn.

    “Ekman-Larsson over to Larsson. Back to Ekman-Larsson. Right up the middle to Larsson!”

  31. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    – References the good nucleus with Klef and Nuge and Larsson and Jones and Broberg and Bouch and want to complement them

    I guess you mean Nurse here?

    Complement rather than tear it down is good news I think. Though adding an OEL would be more than complementing.

    No mention of Russell or Benning makes sense, based on age, usage. And maybe they retain Larsson a few years longer…

  32. digger50 says:

    IF. Top pairing of

    Ekman-Larsson and Larsson

    I didn’t see that coming.

  33. dustrock says:

    Brantford Boy:
    *** SPAM ***

    There’s a fairly decent article over at coppernblue on Dawson Mercer for anyone interested in reading.

    This is the player I hope we draft… full stop, and have to say I got even more excited reading about his toolkit.I’ve seen him compared to Marchessault, Landeskog, J. Toews, Forsberg, Trocheck and even Stone.

    His 200 foot game, compete level, and forechecking really stands out in all the available information.

    Only concerns for Mercer and Zary for me are Pronman mentioning skating concerns. I know sometimes this gets blown up as some kind of huge issue but I really think it’s important Edmonton gets the right forward prospect here as it’s going to be vastly important in 3 years.

  34. Harpers Hair says:

    On Draisaitl.

    Julie Robenhymer (@JulieRobenhymer) Tweeted:
    To be clear… He’s from Cologne and asked to train with the team as they prepare for their season to start in two months. He also said if the NHL didn’t start as currently scheduled and there was a chance for him to play (insurance issues pending), he’d want to play for them.

  35. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I see someone won the TSN 1260 prize correctly guessing Pisani’s OT winner from 2006.

    Fun Fact:

    Did you know Ethan Moreau received the nickname “Chopper” as a result of the slash on Corey Stillman that led to Pisani picking off the pass and going in alone to win it in Overtime?

  36. John Chambers says:

    Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson to Minn for Dumba and Victor Rask.

    Discuss

  37. leadfarmer says:

    digger50:
    IF.Top pairing of

    Ekman-Larsson and Larsson

    I didn’t see that coming.

    Now just need to trade for 3rd line center Erickson Ek

  38. Brantford Boy says:

    dustrock,

    Well I’m not a premium member at eliteprospects to view all the Skill Ratings but it appears he’s got the same speed rating as most of the high end prospects. I also doubt you can have a 200 foot game as mentioned almost everywhere with slow boots.

    I will admit I usually get fixated on a handful of players at the draft each year and have a sweet spot for one of the bunch, this year it’s Mercer.

  39. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: I guess you mean Nurse here?

    Complement rather than tear it down is good news I think. Though adding an OEL would be more than complementing.

    No mention of Russell or Benning makes sense, based on age, usage. And maybe they retain Larsson a few years longer…

    He specifically mentioned a good nucleus with Connor and Drai and Nuge and Yamamoto emerging and with Broberg and Bouchard and Bear taking a step and with Jones with Klef and Larssson – we’re trying to complement those players.

    He didn’t mention Nurse but, really, I think he was just listing off the top 4, top 6 and top prospects. I’m guessing it wasn’t intentional.

  40. LadiesloveSmid says:

    John Chambers:
    Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson to Minn for Dumba and Victor Rask.

    Discuss

    Barf.

    Rask sucks. Larsson is useful. I think this team as constructed needs RNH more than Dumba, his skills will be replicated soon by Bouch.

  41. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: He specifically mentioned a good nucleus with Connor and Drai and Nuge and Yamamoto emerging and with Broberg and Bouchard and Bear takinga step and with Jones with Klef and Larssson – we’re trying to complement those players.

    He didn’t mention Nurse but, really, I think he was just listing off the top 4, top 6 and top prospects. I’m guessing it wasn’t intentional.

    OK, your post mentioned Nuge and all the D except Nurse (and Russell+Benning) so I wondered. Thanks.

  42. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    LadiesloveSmid: Barf.

    I think the politically correct version of that is “Tkachuk”.

    ….whoops! I meant “Up-chuck”. Silly auto correct. 😋

  43. jp says:

    John Chambers:
    Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson to Minn for Dumba and Victor Rask.

    Discuss

    If Nuge isn’t willing to sign, or is asking for $$$ then it begins to make sense (2 assets with 1 year left for Dumba with 3 years to UFA). Otherwise no thanks.

  44. Harpers Hair says:

    Material Elvis:
    As much as I would loathe the team to draft another left shot defenseman, Guhle actually looks like a pretty decent player.

    Scouching Report #33 is now out! We profiled Prince Albert Raiders defender Kaiden Guhle. You’re probably going to want to see this one.

    https://youtu.be/rhOT3N3K2b8

  45. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Very good trade for Buffalo.

    Too bad Staal would likely have Edmonton on his NTC list

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    Damn – I had mentioned Eric Staal as a great 3C stop-gap acquisition target for the Oil for a good year plus now and the acquisition price, well, not sure what Guerin was doing here.

    Staal would have been fantastic as the 3C for next year.

    Would have loved to move Rusty to Winnipeg for the cap – wouldn’t think that would be enough to get Staal by, given Markus Johansson….

  47. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: He specifically mentioned a good nucleus with Connor and Drai and Nuge and Yamamoto emerging and with Broberg and Bouchard and Bear takinga step and with Jones with Klef and Larssson – we’re trying to complement those players.

    He didn’t mention Nurse but, really, I think he was just listing off the top 4, top 6 and top prospects. I’m guessing it wasn’t intentional.

    Maybe Nurse wasn’t into it.

  48. hunter1909 says:

    Oilman99: They already have Neal to fill this role, he showed his value during the playin round, as he was one of the few players totally committed in every game. No salary space for another aging forward unless he is a third line Center.

    That makes sense. Thank you.

    Good to read someone else likes James Neal besides me.

    Vets don’t like to waste precious energy. That’s why they’re often particularly good in the playoffs.

  49. leadfarmer says:

    Ok the Wild are obviously trading for a center now.

  50. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp:
    LT said:
    “BAKERSFIELD CONDORS ON NHL CONTRACTS 2020-21
    Left Defense (5): William Lagesson, Dmitri Samorukov, Philip Broberg, Theodor Lennstrom, Markus Niemelainen
    Right Defense (2): Evan Bouchard, Logan Day
    AHL CONTRACTS
    Left Defense (3): Ryan Stanton, Jake Kulevich, Yanni Kaldis
    Right Defense (1): Janis Jaks”
    ——————————————————————————————–

    The leftorium is alive and well folks, it’s just bubbling under at the moment.

    (looks like a quality collection of D for the AHL level though)

    The list is missing Berglund at RD – should be there.

    There are a few Oiler prospects RD prospects that are just unsigned – Kemp and Kesselring – Kesselring is a “real prospect” but young and raw and Kemp is in the conversation and may warrant his ELC prior to next August.

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilman99: They already have Neal to fill this role, he showed his value during the playin round, as he was one of the few players totally committed in every game. No salary space for another aging forward unless he is a third line Center.

    I was told last night that not agreeing he was a step behind in the qualifier was propagating a narrative……

    I agree with the premise – filling that 3C hole with a bloated contract is OK but bloat needs to go the other way (Russell or, if the incoming bloat is for term, Neal).

  52. Material Elvis says:

    Harpers Hair: Scouching Report #33 is now out! We profiled Prince Albert Raiders defender Kaiden Guhle. You’re probably going to want to see this one.

    https://youtu.be/rhOT3N3K2b8

    Thanks for the link. Guhle seems like a lock to play in the NHL but might not have top pairing potential. I prefer they draft a skilled forward like Jarvis; his NHLe is is in the range of Nuge back in 2011. Based on prospect depth alone, I hope they pass on Guhle.

  53. Harpers Hair says:

    Frank Seravalli (@frank_seravalli) Tweeted:
    #Habs have signed D Joel Edmondson to a four-year deal with $3.5 million AAV.

  54. OriginalPouzar says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    Reja,

    I makes sense. You can disagree with the idea but it makes plenty of sense.

    It boggles me that some are adamant that buying him out makes no sense and some are adamant that its a must-do.

    For me, there is no simple right or wrong answer, its not black and white. There are clear arguments for buying him out and clear arguments against it (or delaying it).

    The only person that really has all the info needed to determine what is likely to be the “right” answer is Ken Holland – there are so many factors involved and highly important among then in the decision is Holland’s specific plan for cap pace usage in each of the next 1-6 years.

    Does Ken Holland know that he could have almost $4M in extra cap space next season? Of course. Would Ken Holland like to have almost $4M in extra cap space next season. Of course. At the same time, Ken Holland has a plan and it includes years 3-6 from now and he likely has a least a rough idea of how he will need to distribute his cap in those years.

    Years 3-6 from now are actually the more important years – those are the years leading up to the expiry of McDavid’a and Drai’s contracts and the years its most important to have team success.

    Lets not forget, the cap may be flat for longer than 2 years. It gets re-linked to HRR after two seasons and it very well could be flat in to those 3-6 years from now.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    Damn, no hockey tonight and there will essentially be days off between games from here on out (well, i think there is one scheduled back to back if TBL finishes it off tomorrow and the SCF starts on Sat).

    Mid-October to ______ is going to SUCK

  56. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers:
    Nugent-Hopkins and Larsson to Minn for Dumba and Victor Rask.

    Discuss

    I wouldn’t trade Nuge for Dumba (even with Nuge one year until UFA – unless Holland knows that he won’t sign or won’t sign reasonable).

    I wouldn’t trade Larsson for Rask

  57. €√¥£€^$ says:

    OriginalPouzar: He specifically mentioned a good nucleus with Connor and Drai and Nuge and Yamamoto emerging and with Broberg and Bouchard and Bear takinga step and with Jones with Klef and Larssson – we’re trying to complement those players.

    He didn’t mention Nurse but, really, I think he was just listing off the top 4, top 6 and top prospects. I’m guessing it wasn’t intentional.

    I heard about this post on HF Board by 93Oilersfan93 speaks of insider information related to deal for OEl for Nurse +. They claim to have called the Lucic trade, as well. Some else in the discussion with Oiler links said they had heard about this from their source, as well.

    Effie, brace yourself!

    There was also some Jesse tidbits in the post.

    Intriguing read, I must admit.

    For those interested the post is here:.

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bye-bye-darnell-hello-oel.2778994/

  58. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Tyler Wright on with Stauffer:

    – trying to be creative given the timing of the draft and have lots of dialogue

    – meeting all week for final preps

    – luxury that some kids are now playing – can see not only progression but lack of progression

    – Stauff mentions Ghule 30 seconds in

    – they like to identify kids early that they like and try and get as many viewings as possible.

    – Would they hesitate to take a d-man at 14? “To be honest, 13 picks will be made ahead of us.We have to take the BPA that we deemed as a staff. Our philosophy may be different than other teams.If we see a major piece in a few years and its on the back end, we have to take it. Whether that’s a scoring wing or a center, you can’t have enough good players. We understand the depth charts of what we need but we need to take the best player available.”

    – Wright agreed with Bob’s statement that size is less an issue today than it used to be. References Tampa Bay. The game is changing and evolving. Small players will make you small team.Can I small team win?I don’t know, I think it can.

    – References the good nucleus with Klef and Nuge and Larsson and Jones and Broberg and Bouch and want to complement them

    Good players are always valuable.

    These playoffs have been particularly aggressive with hitting.

    The reason I believe that happens is to factor out skill players with no jam and to wear down (cause injuries) to the opponent.

    It’s always been the way because it works so it is really a mandate.

    Point is hurt. He has been hurt more than not in his career. Gallagher for the Habs the same. Stamkos isn’t a heavy player and has decent height but he’s a glass player who’s always injured (if you wonder why I have proposed trading Klef and or Larsson).

    Tampa has a huge D Corp.

    What a team should do should depend on what they have and future considerations.

    Tampa became too small because of late drafting and direction.

    They beefed up a lot and created a deep heavy D they can’t keep all of to make a run.

    Because last year’s playoffs fail was because Hedman wasn’t healthy, suddenly Vas looked human.

    Hedman is today’s Rake, an absolute beast on the ice in every good way. Giant of a man that can skate and score and do it all, one in a million.

    So if parayko is on the table, not that he’s Hedman, you have to ask. Bouchard Parayko would be pretty awesome, whomever gets the best player wins the trade right?

    Kenny the Grinder needs to seal the Turris deal, Find a backup G. And be creative and astute pushing the team to the next level. One player will be lost, but winning now with the special players they have should matter more.

    As I’ve said I’d draft the Russian G and try to bolster, and get another first. After that the draft first round draft picks will be low. With LT’s balance pic on the blog this team will roll. For sure.

  59. Eh Team says:

    Harpers Hair: Frank Seravalli (@frank_seravalli) Tweeted:
    #Habs have signed D Joel Edmondson to a four-year deal with $3.5 million AAV.

    Another example of why a decently run team should always be competitive in the NHL- GMs like Bergerin are the competition and they have no clue what they are doing. (Add Guerin as another example)

  60. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Good players are always valuable.

    These playoffs have been particularly aggressive with hitting.

    The reason I believe that happens is to factor out skill players with no jam and to wear down (cause injuries) to the opponent.

    It’s always been the way because it works so it is really a mandate.

    Point is hurt. He has been hurt more than not in his career. Gallagher for the Habs the same. Stamkos isn’t a heavy player and has decent height but he’s a glass player who’s always injured (if you wonder why I have proposed trading Klef and or Larsson).

    Tampa has a huge D Corp.

    What a team should do should depend on what they have and future considerations.

    Tampa became too small because of late drafting and direction.

    They beefed up a lot and created a deep heavy D they can’t keep all of to make a run.

    Because last year’s playoffs fail was because Hedman wasn’t healthy, suddenly Vas looked human.

    Hedman is today’s Rake, an absolute beast on the ice in every good way. Giant of a man that can skate and score and do it all, one in a million.

    So if parayko is on the table, not that he’s Hedman, you have to ask. Bouchard Parayko would be pretty awesome, whomever gets the best player wins the trade right?

    Kenny the Grinder needs to seal the Turris deal, Find a backup G. And be creative and astute pushing the team to the next level. One player will be lost, but winning now with the special players they have should matter more.

    As I’ve said I’d draft the Russian G and try to bolster, and get another first. After that the draft first round draft picks will be low. With LT’s balance pic on the blog this team will roll. For sure.

    To circumvent the obvious, healthy Hedman is the key. The bolstered D Corp they can’t keep is offsetting the forwards injuries. Vas has the cover to play his game. Hot goalers drive a lot of playoff success.

    It took Cooper seasons to reign the group in. The results of being successful over time is group buy in, better performance from every player because most players aren’t elite and they can play a consistent system and do their jobs, goalies can make more saves, and key for the Oilers is that emerging players are able to step in and contribute because the structure and leadership is so solid.

    The oilers aren’t there yet as we saw in the playoffs and the lack of developed discipline led to a big fail. Playing a solid two way system is unsexy and really hard.

  61. leadfarmer says:

    Eh Team: Another example of why a decently run team should always be competitive in the NHL-GMs like Bergerin are the competition and they have no clue what they are doing.(Add Guerin as another example)

    That really is an awful contract

  62. Reja says:

    €√¥£€^$: I heard about this post on HF Board by 93Oilersfan93 speaks of insider information related to deal for OEl for Nurse +.They claim to have called the Lucic trade, as well.Some else in the discussion with Oiler links said they had heard about this from their source, as well.

    Effie, brace yourself!

    There was also some Jesse tidbits in the post.

    Intriguing read, I must admit.

    For those interested the post is here:.

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bye-bye-darnell-hello-oel.2778994/

    Nurse+Russell

  63. godot10 says:

    The numbers work on that OEL deal cap wise. So it is viable.

    It would make it difficult to get a proven #3C.

    If one made the OEL deal with Kassian instead of Neal (without Grabner), then one could still do the Neal for Turris deal, and make it work numbers wise. But Neal for OEL is a clean disposition of the cap hit without the risk of taking back an equivalently bad contract in Turris. Nurse and the risk that OEL still has many years may be the price of getting out from under the Lucic/Neal contract.

    The #3C would then be covered by making multiple bets. Haas, Khaira, Cracknell, and probably one more (say Puljujarvi for Lias Andersson)…Andersson might flourish with the OIlers Swedish House Mafia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6smkh6c-0

  64. Harpers Hair says:

    €√¥£€^$: I heard about this post on HF Board by 93Oilersfan93 speaks of insider information related to deal for OEl for Nurse +.They claim to have called the Lucic trade, as well.Some else in the discussion with Oiler links said they had heard about this from their source, as well.

    Effie, brace yourself!

    There was also some Jesse tidbits in the post.

    Intriguing read, I must admit.

    For those interested the post is here:.

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bye-bye-darnell-hello-oel.2778994/

    That post makes perfect sense.

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Good players are always valuable.

    These playoffs have been particularly aggressive with hitting.

    The reason I believe that happens is to factor out skill players with no jam and to wear down (cause injuries) to the opponent.

    It’s always been the way because it works so it is really a mandate.

    Point is hurt. He has been hurt more than not in his career. Gallagher for the Habs the same. Stamkos isn’t a heavy player and has decent height but he’s a glass player who’s always injured (if you wonder why I have proposed trading Klef and or Larsson).

    Tampa has a huge D Corp.

    What a team should do should depend on what they have and future considerations.

    Tampa became too small because of late drafting and direction.

    They beefed up a lot and created a deep heavy D they can’t keep all of to make a run.

    Because last year’s playoffs fail was because Hedman wasn’t healthy, suddenly Vas looked human.

    Hedman is today’s Rake, an absolute beast on the ice in every good way. Giant of a man that can skate and score and do it all, one in a million.

    So if parayko is on the table, not that he’s Hedman, you have to ask. Bouchard Parayko would be pretty awesome, whomever gets the best player wins the trade right?

    Kenny the Grinder needs to seal the Turris deal, Find a backup G. And be creative and astute pushing the team to the next level. One player will be lost, but winning now with the special players they have should matter more.

    As I’ve said I’d draft the Russian G and try to bolster, and get another first. After that the draft first round draft picks will be low. With LT’s balance pic on the blog this team will roll. For sure.

    Point has played 79, 82 and 66 (out of 70) games the last three years. How is he hurt more than he’s not? That’s just factually incorrect.

    Gallagher gets hurt because of his non-soft style.

    How do the Oilers get Parayko, get a goalie, use the 14th overall pick and get another first round pick?

    With respect, what you want Holland to do this summer is out of the realm of reasonableness.

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer: That really is an awful contract

    At least they didn’t give up assets to have the sole right to enter in to it a month before anyone else…… oh, wait.

  67. OriginalPouzar says:

    Anyone else enthused that the Canucks seem close to signing a 28 year old regressing winger, that has had over 50 points once in his career, 5 years ago, to a 5 X $5M deal in a move that will likely require the to trade their 24 year old 30 plus goal sniper?

  68. Material Elvis says:

    €√¥£€^$: I heard about this post on HF Board by 93Oilersfan93 speaks of insider information related to deal for OEl for Nurse +.They claim to have called the Lucic trade, as well.Some else in the discussion with Oiler links said they had heard about this from their source, as well.

    Effie, brace yourself!

    There was also some Jesse tidbits in the post.

    Intriguing read, I must admit.

    For those interested the post is here:.

    https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/bye-bye-darnell-hello-oel.2778994/

    Nurse, JP, and the 2021 1st for OEL and Grabner. I don’t think that moves the dial for the Oilers. I guess they would rather pay OEL $8.25M/year versus $7+M/year for Nurse. After seeing Brodie’s deal, Nurse will be over $7M/year for sure.

    I don’t buy any of the Nurse ‘off ice issues’ claimed by the author. This is where he goes off the rails.

  69. Material Elvis says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Anyone else enthused that the Canucks seem close to signing a 28 year old regressing winger, that has had over 50 points once in his career, 5 years ago,to a 5 X $5M deal in a move that will likely require the to trade their 24 year old 30 plus goal sniper?

    Not as much as I am enthused that they are likely going to let Markstrom walk.

  70. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Anyone else enthused that the Canucks seem close to signing a 28 year old regressing winger, that has had over 50 points once in his career, 5 years ago,to a 5 X $5M deal in a move that will likely require the to trade their 24 year old 30 plus goal sniper?

    Do you mean the PPG player who clicked immediately in Vancouver’s top 6?

    Or JT Miller who was an awesome pickup for the Canucks despite posters like you who berated the Canucks for giving up a first round pick?

    Who you play with and your usage makes a huge difference.

    Might be a little complex for some to understand.

  71. Ryan says:

    Harpers Hair: That post makes perfect sense.

    It’s funny, but yeah.

    I don’t t necessarily love the trade, but it has merits that make sense for both sides.

    The cap hits are pretty close, 11.6 vs 11.35 (Nurse and Neal).

    It sort of has a structure like the Neal / Lucic trade.

    If Arizona can afford a buyout, it’s six years x a little under two million.

    Then they get a younger defenseman and a 2021 1st.

    They dump the last year of Grabner who is no longer value at $3.5m

    They also get out of the risky end of OEL’s long contract.

    It makes sense for them…

    For us, Nurse is going to cost way more than he’s worth in a few years with the 97 zoom.

    Clean disposition of Neal’s contract… Saves real dollars of Neal buyout.

    OEL – Bear would be unreal at moving the puck.

    But, that OEL contract is $8.25 m until the end of time.

    I don’t know how good OEL still is.

    If you bought out Neal in another year you have Nurse at $5.6 m plus $2m Neal buyout is still cheaper than OEL…

    Random thought…

    The cure for the 97 zoom contract problem…

    Let 97 zoom your players then trade them before you have to pay them…

    Trade for players with term.

  72. flea says:

    Shane:
    TheGreatBigMac,

    I looked at your roster and laughed when I thought of Kevin Quinn.

    “Ekman-Larsson over to Larsson. Back to Ekman-Larsson. Right up the middle to Larsson!”

    Quinn’s head would explode.

    Adding Ekman Larson I think adds a lot balance to the Oilers Defence, especially if Nurse goes the other way. Puts the top 4 D with a puck mover and more all around defender on each of those top pairings.

    Lots of young guys bubbling under as well to push up the lineup, if/when Larson and eventually Klefbom potentially move on.

    The long term impact of getting OEL likely means Klefbom won’t finish his career as an Oiler.

  73. OriginalPouzar says:

    Yes, i lack the intellect to understand concepts.

    When the defence is personal attack…..

  74. jp says:

    Ryan:

    Let 97 zoom your players then trade them before you have to pay them…

    Trade for players with term.

    But not term at $8.25M!!

  75. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan: It’s funny, but yeah.

    I don’t t necessarily love the trade, but it has merits that make sense for both sides.

    The cap hits are pretty close, 11.6 vs 11.35 (Nurse and Neal).

    It sort of has a structure like the Neal / Lucic trade.

    If Arizona can afford a buyout, it’s six years x a little under two million.

    Then they get a younger defenseman and a 2021 1st.

    They dump the last year of Grabner who is no longer value at $3.5m

    They also get out of the risky end of OEL’s long contract.

    It makes sense for them…

    For us, Nurse is going to cost way more than he’s worth in a few years with the 97 zoom.

    Clean disposition of Neal’s contract…Saves real dollars of Neal buyout.

    OEL – Bear would be unreal at moving the puck.

    But, that OEL contract is $8.25 m until the end of time.

    I don’t know how good OEL still is.

    If you bought out Neal in another year you have Nurse at $5.6 m plus $2m Neal buyout is still cheaper than OEL…

    Random thought…

    The cure for the 97 zoom contract problem…

    Let 97 zoom your players then trade them before you have to pay them…

    Trade for players with term.

    The Pittsburg model.

  76. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Yes, i lack the intellect to understand concepts.

    When the defence is personal attack…..

    Try to understand this.

    James Neal is 33 years years old and is effectively costing the Oilers $6.5 million on the cap.

    Tyler Toffoli is 5 years younger and will undoubtedly come in at a lower price point than Neal.

    The Oilers are desperately seeking a goal scorer (or two) to play in the top six.

    In the past twelve months, the Canucks have acquired TWO top six wingers who would immediately make the Oilers a much better team yet you’re sitting there sniping.

    Maybe tone down the critiques and focus on what the Oilers might do to match their divisional rivals.

    Or post a selfie or two,

  77. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Try to understand this.

    James Neal is 33 years years old and is effectively costing the Oilers $6.5 million on the cap.

    Tyler Toffoli is 5 years younger and will undoubtedly come in at a lower price point than Neal.

    The Oilers are desperately seeking a goal scorer (or two) to play in the top six.

    In the past twelve months, the Canucks have acquired TWO top six wingers who would immediately make the Oilers a much better team yet you’re sitting there sniping.

    Maybe tone down the critiques and focus on what the Oilers might do to match their divisional rivals.

    Or post a selfie or two,

    So you can dish it out but you can’t take it. You have the gall to chastise OP for something you do to us as Oiler fans every trucken day. Maybe it should be you posting some selfies in your Canuck jersey, sometimes called riot gear!

  78. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: He didn’t mention Nurse but, really, I think he was just listing off the top 4, top 6 and top prospects. I’m guessing it wasn’t intentional.

    So, maybe it was intentional after all?

  79. jp says:

    Harpers Hair,

    What do you think of the rumoured trade? You’ve been pretty strong on the importance of 1D.

  80. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Please stop talking about a trade for OEL I’m gonna hurl!
    🤮🤮🤮

  81. Fuge Udvar says:

    €√¥£€^$,

    Now that is constructing a narrative

  82. Fuge Udvar says:

    Ugh I meant to say… Now that hf post is constructing a narrative! That doesn’t mean it is wrong though. I don’t think you can be a successful hockey team if they are making that many decisions based on non hockey factors.

  83. YKOil says:

    I get that the math works… except that it doesn’t.

    Oilers get the same, and perhaps better result by buying out Neal. Sure Grabner’s contract is gone after year 1, but OEL’s contract takes up the extra space (i.e. the difference between Grabner and Neal contracts).

    Nurse and a 1st (and prospects?) is far too much to give up for OEL. Also, why? Nurse would get us the forward we need and the 1st would get us the d-man.

    For those counting – that is two players we need versus the AZ deal where we get just one. OEL and Grabner for Nurse and Neal straight up? Sure. Not throwing a 1st rounder in there though.

    Hell, the more I look at it the less I think AZ is a good trade fit for the Oilers – they need to dump salary as cleanly as possible and that means prospects and draft picks. The Oilers don’t really have either.

    Take a stroll through AZ’s player salary pay-out schedules – LOTS of signing bonus money. Chayka screwed that team FAR into the future because most of the trades they can make don’t actually save them all that much because of the signing bonus money. Even OEL is $4 million THIS year in signing bonus.

    Good thing Chayka is a ‘new era genius’.

  84. Ribs says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Please stop talking about a trade for OEL I’m gonna hurl!

    I agree. There is not much appealing about what has been posited so far.

  85. who says:

    YKOil:
    I get that the math works… except that it doesn’t.

    Oilers get the same, and perhaps better result by buying out Neal. Sure Grabner’s contract is gone after year 1, but OEL’s contract takes up the extra space (i.e. the difference between Grabner and Neal contracts).

    Nurse and a 1st (and prospects?) is far too much to give up for OEL.Also, why?Nurse would get us the forward we need and the 1st would get us the d-man.

    For those counting – that is two players we need versus the AZ deal where we get just one. OEL and Grabner for Nurse and Neal straight up? Sure.Not throwing a 1st rounder in there though.

    Hell, the more I look at it the less I think AZ is a good trade fit for the Oilers – they need to dump salary as cleanly as possible and that means prospects and draft picks. The Oilers don’t really have either.

    Take a stroll through AZ’s player salary pay-out schedules – LOTS of signing bonus money. Chayka screwed that team FAR into the future because most of the trades they can make don’t actually save them all that much because of the signing bonus money. Even OEL is $4 million THIS year in signing bonus.

    Good thing Chayka is a ‘new era genius’.

    I never could understand why people were so high on the Coyotes the last few years.
    They always looked like a team of overachievers to me. They would play a sound, structured game, but never seemed to have the horses to be a real cup contender.
    And Chayka made some baaad moves the last few years. Bringing in Kessel was a head scratcher. He was invisible in the games I saw last winter. Paying Keller all that money? Again, invisible. Giving up those assets for the Hall rental BEFORE they were ready to contend? Mystifying.
    Chayka really screwed them. Much like Chiarelli did to Edmonton.

  86. Lowetide says:

    NEW for The Athletic: Ken Holland and Dave Tippett’s past players: Can any help the Oilers?

    https://theathletic.com/2068276/2020/09/17/lowetide-ken-holland-and-dave-tippetts-past-players-can-any-help-the-oilers/

  87. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr: So you can dish it out but you can’t take it. You have the gall tochastise OP for something you do to us as Oiler fans every trucken day. Maybe it should be you posting some selfies in your Canuck jersey, sometimes called riot gear!

    I don’t know what the Oilers or James Neal have to do with being heartened that a rival will sign a contract to an aging and regressing winger than will likely force the trade of their 24 year old 30-40 goal scorer.

    Its odd that so much is put in a 10 game “point per game” sample size by a player that had his shooting percentage in those 10 games leap 5% from where it had been the last 3 years (and be higher than it has ever been in a year) – even odder when that poster constantly talks about Yamamoto’s small sample size and shooting percentage.

  88. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors have loaned Graham McPhee to Vienna of the IceHL.

    If the likes of McPhee has found a European placement, gotta think that one for Benson (and Marody) should be forthcoming.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sodertalje is playing an exhibition game today – hopefully Bouchard is in the lineup, if so, I will probably take a viewing.

    Very intrigued to see if Konovalov gets the start today – will be the first time the goalie goes away from the 1 start on 1 start off rotation (although Konovalov has had 3 straight appearances with the relief game).

  90. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sounds like the announcement on the World Juniors will be made official soon – this year will be played in the Edmonton “hub” and then next year will be back to normal played in Edmonton and Red Deer (2022 was supposed to be on Gotheburg).

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