LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS

Trade winds blowing in the days before a draft are an annual rite of summer in Edmonton, so seeing those same winds in September (soon to be October) should come as no surprise. This year’s rumours are a ton of fun. Just like 2013.

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DRAFT WEEK 2013

The following appeared on this blog in the days leading up to the 2013 draft.

(Friday) Apparently the Oilers are in on every possible transaction. One gets the feeling it could be an active night. Picks and prospects and lord knows what else heading out, actual NHL players coming in. AND a goalie?

The Oilers off-season moves so far (firing Steve Tambellini, MacT installed as GM, Eakins new head coach, Keith Acton added to the coaching staff, signing Anton Belov, saying goodbye to Tambellini’s free agents) should have several additions by this time Monday afternoon.

Rumors have the Oilers heavily involved in conversations over Braydon Coburn, Cory Schneider and Cal Clutterbuck. These could be the final hours for Shawn Horcoff as an Oiler, for Ales Hemsky too although reports suggest that’s unlikely this weekend. The Gagner contract progresses, no one mentions the young speed demon Paajarvi.

(Saturday) Frankly, I have no idea of what we can expect today. Simply put, the events of yesterday suggest that Craig MacTavish is going to upgrade goaltending first, and then look to defense and center. This goaltending position was mentioned in ‘the list’ but most Oiler fans felt it was a secondary task for this summer.

Cory Schneider will come at a dear price today, and he’s two years from unrestricted free agency. That means Craig MacTavish must be putting exceptional value on these next two years, and that of course means Coburn and Clutterbuck (should they become Oilers) will no doubt be joined by centermen and wingmen and possibly defensemen. I think we can assume Devan Dubnyk will be in the out basket in due course and maybe that happens today. Other names who could be with other teams today are Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky, Nick Schultz and Magnus Paajarvi. I don’t believe Sam Gagner is going to be dealt based on all we’ve heard, but I’ll include him here just in case.

Craig MacTavish said 8 or 9 roster spots could change. He was clear on Dubnyk, he was clear on Hemsky and Horcoff and Khabibulin and Peckham and Belanger and and and. Why then is it such a surprise to see Corey Schneider as the key piece to the puzzle?

I don’t like the deal. I think it lacks clarity based on the holes in the roster and it improves a position that is league average to maybe a little better, while the defense remains a mess and the center position terribly weak with Horcoff and Belanger about to make it weaker. I vow to wait until we see the full picture, but as it stands this trade (depending on assets sent) looks like a considerable overpay. Two seasons of a very good NHL goalie who lacks a long resume? The window is suddenly and unnecessarily shortened to two seasons.

Based on the rumors, picks #7, #37 and #56 may be off the board. If that happens, the Oilers would pick #128, #158 and #188. I’ll cover the draft stories all day today, but the afternoon session may be more about trades than picks. Edmonton’s lowest number of draft picks in one year is five (2006) when they drafted #45, #75, #133, #140 and #170. It’s kind of incredible that they found Jeff Petry and Theo Peckham that year.

HARVEST MOON 2013

#7 overall D Darnell Nurse (SS Marie, OHL) 68, 12-29-41. NHLE 4-11-15. I had him ranked No. 2 among OHL players and No. 9 overall. I count this as a risk averse selection, and McKenzie (#9) and Pronman (#11) agree. I think he’s going to be a good NHL player, making his living with EV and PK minutes. 

#56 overall C Marc Olivier-Roy (Blainville-Boisbriand, QMJHL) 65, 29-38-67. NHLE 10-15-25. Offensive talent, fast skater, creative and an expert passer. Outstanding on the backcheck and has a strong 2-way reputation at this early age. Undersized (6.0, 180) but he’s an attractive center and a quality prospect. Enjoyed a terrific playoff (9, 5-11-16) and was 74, 34-49-83 overall this season. McKenzie (#59) plus Pronman (#70) had him in the range.

#83 overall C Bogdan Yakimov (Nizhnekamsk Russian Jr). 11, 6-7-13. Huge C (6.05. 200) described by one scouting service as “a thickly constructed specimen” which immediately makes me think of the Russian tank Andrei Kovalenko. Strong along the wall and effective at puck retrieval. Isn’t a finesse player. Pronman ranks him #73 (again in the range) and Kent Wilson suggests he’s ranked amidst a group of similar “power forward” prospects like John Hayden, Avery Peterson and Nick Moutrey among others. 

#88 overall L Anton Slepyshev (UFA, KHL) 11, 4-2-6. NHLE 18-6-24. The most talented player taken in the draft today by the Oilers, Slepyshev is a brilliant hockey player. Pronman has him #45, meaning he’s an exceptional value selection. Pronman: He is an above-average skater, with agility and free movement, as his shiftiness makes him hard to check. He has a plus shot and he knows it, as his mentality is often shoot-first, even from distance. His physical game has progressed, and he has added strength since last season. He can protect pucks moderately well.

#94 overall R Jackson Houck (Vancouver, WHL). 69, 23-34-57. NHLE 8-12-20. Physical winger with good skills, footspeed is going to be his issue and he’s not a big prospect (6.0, 186). His father Paul was drafted by the Oilers in 1981. Houck sounds like a “tweener”, a modern Phil Cornet, but that’s on his draft day and there’s some range of skills here. Pronman has him #91, again in the range.

#96 overall C Kyle Platzer (London, OHL) 65, 5-17-22. NHLE 2-6-8. I had a hard time figuring this player out early on, his numbers are nothing much and he’s no Coke machine. Then I found this from RedlineSkating under the radar because of the embarrassment of riches in the two-time OHL champion London Knights. Although just 5-foot-11 and 185 pounds, Platzer plays with energy and grit, embraces physical contact and doesn’t shy away from the greasy spots in the offensive zone. Platzer lacks elite upside at the NHL level, but is one of those character players who never stops moving his feet and competing.

#113th overall L Aidan Muir (Victoria Honda Midget) 37, 17-23-40. A project and a reach. Western College Hockey: He’s a decent skater for his size, though there is still some room for improvement. With his frame, there’s also the potential to add a little more strength. His biggest attribute is his grit and toughness in the dirty areas of the ice along the boards and in front of the net, and that he has the hands to make plays in tight spaces.

#128 overall L Evan Campbell (Langley, BCJHL). 51, 20-46-66 NHLE 5-10-15.  20 years old, 6.01, 175 and headed to U. Mass Lowell this fall or next. Definitely a reach pick.

#158 overall D Ben Betker (Everett, WHL). 61, 1-5-6 NHLE 0-2-2. Cody Nickolet says he’s a big, rangy physical defenseman. Needs to work on footspeed.

#188 overall C Greg Chase (Calgary, WHL). 69, 17-32-49. NHLE 6-11-17. Outstanding value pick, Pronman has him at #99. PronmanScouts praise his offensive mind and vision. He can slow the game down when he has the puck, hit targets through small lanes, and move the puck quickly when need be. He also has good hands, and when he is on, his offensive upside is apparent.

2020 VISION

The 2013 lead up to the draft reminds me very much of the current conditions. For those who don’t recall, Edmonton was contemplating Darnell Nurse and Valeri Nichushkin at the draft, but were also interested in trading for Cory Schneider from the Vancouver Canucks.

This morning, I think Oilers fans should be prepared for the 2020 draft to go off as projected (Nos. 14, 76, 138, 169, 200).

I also believe there’s a chance Edmonton drafts No. 76, 138, 169 and 200.

There’s a lot going on. Names that have been mentioned that included Edmonton in the last 24 hours are OEL and goalie Petr Mrazek have been tied to the Oilers. That would leave No. 3 center and scoring winger to address over the rest of the offseason.

PROJECTED ROSTER

I have just 22 names here, Holland would need to move Russell in order to get to a 23-man roster. I wouldn’t read too much into names that are missing, this was working the money more than the personnel. I’m not sure how you improve the forwards from here.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning with breaking news seemingly just around the corner. We hit the airwaves at 10 and roll to noon with the sun shining and the city warming up on another lovely fall day.

Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey will discuss the Lightning Stanley Cup victory and the Oilers path forward.

Grant McCagg from Recrutes.ca will pop by to talk 2020 draft and his fascinating list.

Joe Osborne from OddsSharks will get us ready for the NBA Finals and the MLB playoffs.

10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio.

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139 Responses to "LOCK, STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS"

  1. Elgin R says:

    LT: you have added OEL at full pop, traded Nurse, acquired Mrazek but have not addressed any of the other issues.

    OEL: good defenceman but not at $8.25m x 7. IF Yotes are as hard against it with respect to payroll as has been reported, need to take advantage. Trade must be a clear win for Edmonton.

    #14: The only way this pick should not be used is if it allows a disposition of the Neal contract with no retain.

    Mrazek: Why trade for a goalie when there will are lots of UFA goalies?

  2. Lowetide says:

    Elgin R:
    LT: you have added OEL at full pop, traded Nurse, acquired Mrazek but have not addressed any of the other issues.

    OEL:good defenceman but not at $8.25m x 7.IF Yotes are as hard against it with respect to payroll as has been reported, need to take advantage.Trade must be a clear win for Edmonton.

    #14:The only way this pick should not be used is if it allows a disposition of the Neal contract with no retain.

    Mrazek:Why trade for a goalie when there will are lots of UFA goalies?

    I’m not suggesting this is my plan, or even a plan, I’m saying this is what you’re dealing with in the moments after trading for OEL.

  3. boneshj says:

    About OEL. I think a trade that Phoenix looks at very closely would be Klefbom + parts for OEL with $1M retained. It would save Phonenix almost $8M in real dollars (OEL is making 10.5 per 2022-2024) over the next three years and about $3M in cap space while still getting a reasonably good player in their lineup. That money and cap saving makes the “+ parts” component significantly less than 14th overall. The biggest drawback for them is they are heavy on left shooting d-men already, but I think that trade actually looks like a typical hockey trade.

    The concern for Edmonton in this scenario is that they immediately need to find another home for Russell which may cost them, and probably move on from Benning. Leaving the bottom end a little thin.

  4. LMHF#1 says:

    Trade good players for better players.

    Trade that which you don’t need (or can be replaced for cheap) for that which you do.

    Random thought – King Henrik on a one-year revenge tour deal? I’d rather have a young upcoming star but that’s unlikely.

  5. Brantford Boy says:

    I remember the 2013 quite well… and the blog that day is familiar…

    Canucks did a big “F You” to the Pacific division Oilers and said no to our #7 overall (Nurse) and traded Schneider to NJ and ended up picking Horvat at #9.

    So OEL, is he going to be able to clear net front presence better than Nurse? I do know that after 6 years in the league that should be something a player of this caliber understands. Watching actual defenseman in the playoffs rake players backs with crosschecks to clear the crease is a subtle reminder he does not. As a defenseman that’s your job. This being another reason I’m not on board with moving Larsson… he gets it, and it’s filthy good.

  6. BONE207 says:

    If we assume that the Oilers are at least as good as last season, then they would be drafting in the 20’s this upcoming season. Weren’t they going to be in that spot this year had it not ended with the Covid shutdown? Thus I believe they need to keep #14 in this very lucrative draft year as they may not be in as good a position for a few years…Gord willing.

  7. BONE207 says:

    LMHF#1:
    Trade good players for better players.

    Trade that which you don’t need (or can be replaced for cheap) for that which you do.

    Random thought – King Henrik on a one-year revenge tour deal? I’d rather have a young upcoming star but that’s unlikely.

    I see the Bones are posting this morning…🤣

    Instead of Henrik, can we get Georgiev?

  8. godot10 says:

    If the OIlers swing a Nurse for OEL (modulo stuff) deal, will King Henrik want to join the OIlers Swedish House Mafia.

    It’s raining Swedes, maybe.

  9. jonrmcleod says:

    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

  10. Melman says:

    BONE207,

    Solid point. It “should” be many years before this team drafts as high as 14. It’s an important pick.

  11. Elgin R says:

    Brantford Boy:
    I remember the 2013 quite well… and the blog that day is familiar…

    Canucks did a big “F You” to the Pacific division Oilers and said no to our #7 overall (Nurse) and traded Schneider to NJ and ended up picking Horvat at #9.

    So OEL, is he going to be able to clear net front presence better than Nurse?I do know that after 6 years in the league that should be something a player of this caliber understands.Watching actual defenseman in the playoffs rake players backs with crosschecks to clear the crease is a subtle reminder he does not.As a defenseman that’s your job.This being another reason I’m not on board with moving Larsson… he gets it, and it’s filthy good.

    No, No, No to OEL unless Yotes give him away (say $3m retained). Love it when Larsson cross-checks someone twice and then looks at the refs to see if he can get away with another one! Hoping Holland can get Larsson on a good deal ($3m x 3) so that he does not have to trade him at the deadline.

  12. Harpers Hair says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    OP would have a stroke.

  13. Elgin R says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    That would be insane! Oilers do not have enough quality RD under team control. Bouchard is going to be a good #2RD for a long time. The Unicorn is a true #1RD (think Seth Jones) but a #2RD is very, very hard to acquire unless drafted.

  14. Melman says:

    Given the goalie glut and flat cap this offseason, I can’t help wondering if Holtby ends up signing a 1 year deal. He’s numbers have slid and it would be surprising to see a team pony up a long big money contract for him. It looks like that strategy worked out well for Lehner. If Holtby is willing to sign a 1 year $4.5ish do you do it?

  15. flyfish1168 says:

    A question to KH. IS this the time to be chasing a fallen star that may be on a slippery slope? We are not deep enough to be trading prospects out from the future for the near future at this time. This is a quick drop back to mediocrity in a few years

  16. Tarkus says:

    Elgin R: That would be insane!Oilers do not have enough quality RD under team control.Bouchard is going to be a good #2RD for a long time.The Unicorn is a true #1RD (think Seth Jones) but a #2RD is very, very hard to acquire unless drafted.

    Unless Rishaug is referring to KevEN Bouchard 😀

    Otherwise, that deal as proposed, unless there’s a good chunk of salary retention…yikes…

  17. MADOIL says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Wow! That is a deal that rivals the Chiarelli deals. Hope Rishaug becomes the manager of the Calgary flames in future. Maybe he’ll trade a first rounder for Russell.

  18. dustrock says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Are they floating this to see how many people are going to yell at them?

  19. flyfish1168 says:

    Keeping the powder dry and working the peripherals for another yr is OK with me rather than swing big and missing.

  20. JOFA says:

    Why put the Klefbom news out there? Dumb dumb dumb!

  21. boneshj says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    If that’s the package they need to be getting an OEL level defenseman or better with a right handed shot. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

  22. JOFA says:

    Huge mistake to announce that now!

  23. JOFA says:

    Brilliant PR at such an important time. You don’t let this stuff get out during such an important period. Just announced you will be paying more. Genius!

  24. Shane says:

    JOFA,

    All the OEL talk makes more sense though. Especially if surgery will keep him out most/all of next year.

  25. dustrock says:

    Someone tell Tipp and Ken that there are other good hockey players out there they haven’t coached or managed before.

  26. BONE207 says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Like Sam Jackson said…Hold on to your butt.

  27. Harpers Hair says:

    Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) Tweeted:
    One situation EDM is monitoring: Oscar Klefbom is weighing options to deal with injuries from last season. One of the possibilities is surgery that could keep him out long-term (obviously, we don’t know when next season will begin). His absence would need to be addressed.

  28. hunter1909 says:

    Shane:
    JOFA,

    All the OEL talk makes more sense though. Especially if surgery will keep him out most/all of next year.

    Great news.

    Trading away the future for an injured defenceman entering his declining years.

  29. Clarkenstein says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    I would say this is a move that PHX would covet not the Oil…. Instead of the 1st rounder give them their 2nd rounder…. oh wait… okay maybe a 3rd rounder…. oh wait…. oh to hell with it.

  30. boneshj says:

    hunter1909,

    OEL isn’t injured. Klefbom is. OEL is the opposite of Klefbom for durability. Since becoming an NHL regular he’s missed more than 4 games only once and that was only 7 games. He has three complete seasons, and has played 680 of their last 692 games.

  31. hunter1909 says:

    boneshj:
    hunter1909,

    OEL isn’t injured.Klefbom is.OEL is the opposite of Klefbom for durability.Since becoming an NHL regular he’s missed more than 4 games only once and that was only 7 games.He has three complete seasons, and has played 680 of their last 692 games.

    Thank you. It’s been a long summer.

  32. JOFA says:

    No big moves this off season please. This is NOT the time to do it. Find another lefty dman on a one year contract as a stop gap for Klefbom. Keep Russell if needed. Make the pick at 14. Pray it’s not Askarov. Trade other players that aren’t in the plans for picks. Call it a day.

  33. Rickety Cricket says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Just when I thought I had recovered emotionally from the Reinhart/Hall trades you have to lay this shit on me??

  34. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) Tweeted:
    One situation EDM is monitoring: Oscar Klefbom is weighing options to deal with injuries from last season. One of the possibilities is surgery that could keep him out long-term (obviously, we don’t know when next season will begin). His absence would need to be addressed.

    What is he waiting for then.
    It’s not like he’s played in the last 2 months and it’s not like the hockey season is going to start in the next 3 months. League is just going to keep pushing back day of start hoping for fans before realizing fans aren’t coming until at least the following season

  35. JOFA says:

    Friedman tweet:

    I am announcing the Klefbom news now so that the Oilers will have to overpay for any transactions concerning defenceman this week😉

    Thanks Elliotte

  36. Rondo says:

    2020 Draft #14 potential picks

    Askarov
    Quinn
    Jarvis
    Holloway
    Guhle
    Mercer

  37. JOFA says:

    Rondo:
    2020 Draft #14 potential picks

    Askarov
    Quinn
    Jarvis
    Holloway
    Guhle
    Mercer

    Scratch Askarov off the top of your list and you might be on to something😄

  38. Todd Macallan says:

    Rondo:
    2020 Draft #14 potential picks

    Askarov
    Quinn
    Jarvis
    Holloway
    Guhle
    Mercer

    My order of preference, assuming no trade down at 14:

    Quinn
    Jarvis

    Askarov
    Mercer
    Holloway

    Guhle

  39. Lewis Grant says:

    Elgin R: That would be insane! Oilers do not have enough quality RD under team control. Bouchard is going to be a good #2RD for a long time. The Unicorn is a true #1RD (think Seth Jones) but a #2RD is very, very hard to acquire unless drafted.

    We tried to get Seth Jones, offering RNH. As much as I liked RNH at the time (and still do now), I endorsed that offer. The Predators went for Ryan Johansen instead as their return. A panel of 9 NHL observers was asked about the Preds’ decision; a narrow 5-4 split decision said they’d take Johansen over RNH. My guess is that the Preds today would be happier with RNH than Johansen.

    Jones finished top-5 in Norris voting this year. We came so close!

  40. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Swear to Gord – If the Oilers make a trade like this now…after 40 years – I am done as a fan. I can’t take this much stupidity anymore. So I really hope something like this does not happen.

  41. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    dustrock:
    Someone tell Tipp and Ken that there are other good hockey players out there they haven’t coached or managed before.

    No fucking kidding.

  42. LadiesloveSmid says:

    If the oilers think that lowly of Bouchard, every team in the league should make a call on him.

    HIs numbers suggest nothing short of a high end D man, and soon.

  43. Ryan says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Hm. my first reaction to that would be, “yikes.”

    OEL is 29 and his contract is over $8m forever (another seven years).

    There’s a lot of risk in his contract at this stage. How many good years will you get out of him out of those seven?

    Players never seem to age well in Edmonton. Maybe it’s the water. They must have better water in Boston, Montreal, San Jose, Dallas, and Pittsburgh.

    As I said yesterday, with the Oilers salary cap structure, they’re not well suited to taking on risk in contracts like that.

    We still have 3 more years on all of the Neal contract, retained Lucic salary, and Sekera buyout.

    It’s also a lot of future to give up.

    If Bouchard spikes, the Yotes draft Seth Jarvis in a few years that trade could look really bad.

    While this is the sort of trade Joe Sakic would possibly make, he’d be on the Arizona side of it.

  44. godot10 says:

    What amazes me is why they didn’t take care of this Klefbom business in April, once they knew it was going to be an extended break.

    The Oilers were not contenders last season. They could’ve been a contender next season. By delaying the surgery from April to October, they screw up two seasons.

  45. McSorley33 says:

    Just need *one* more LHD…..hopefully one that will soon turn 30.

    That should really unlock – Chaser, Khaira, Kass, Archibald….Neal, and Haas.

  46. nathen99 says:

    If we trade 14 0verall 2020 10 overall 2018 for fading OEL than management shall be shot maybe if they also take Neal and Russell and chiasson.

  47. Ryan says:

    dustrock:
    Someone tell Tipp and Ken that there are other good hockey players out there they haven’t coached or managed before.

    Their propensity for acquiring former players that they know is concerning on a number of levels not the least of which is that they don’t have any confidence in the Oilers ability to scout other team’s prospects or roster players.

    Where are the other Ryan Graves out there?

  48. JOFA says:

    Any benefit to Klefbom’s agent leaking this? I predict Klefbom has played his last game for the Oilers.

  49. McSorley33 says:

    godot10:
    What amazes me is why they didn’t take care of this Klefbom business in April, once they knew it was going to be an extended break.

    The Oilers were not contenders last season.They could’ve been a contender next season.By delaying the surgery from April to October, they screw up two seasons.

    Are you really surprised, though?

  50. Lewis Grant says:

    Melman: Given the goalie glut and flat cap this offseason, I can’t help wondering if Holtby ends up signing a 1 year deal. He’s numbers have slid and it would be surprising to see a team pony up a long big money contract for him. It looks like that strategy worked out well for Lehner. If Holtby is willing to sign a 1 year $4.5ish do you do it?

    NO, NO, NO. He’s been a below-average goalie for three years.

    Same with Lundquist. NYR offered him a chance to go into retirement with dignity, but he wouldn’t take it.

    It’s like Brodeur finishing his career with St. Louis after four straight below-average years with New Jersey. Brodeur’s .899 save pct over 5 starts with the Blues really showed the Devils what they were missing!

    So many other, cheaper goalies with better upside are available. If we want to take a chance on a rebound, Matt Murray is a much better bet. Others may be even better bets.

  51. Bobcaygeon says:

    jonrmcleod:
    According to Twitter, Rishaug is talking about an OEL trade involving the 1st, Bouchard, and Russell.

    Any word on retention? Bad thing about this trade for the Oilers is money in vs money out. If the Yotes could eat 2 or 3 million of OEL contract that would leave Oilers with options at LD

  52. JOFA says:

    Maybe Klefbom was part of a deal with OEL? Felt he needed to disclose injury? He may have saved the team😉

  53. JOFA says:

    Bobcaygeon: Any word on retention? Bad thing about this trade for the Oilers is money in vs money out. If the Yotes could eat 2 or 3 million of OEL contract that would leave Oilers with options at LD

    He was just spit balling IMO.

  54. leadfarmer says:

    Even without knowing when Klefbom returns I would rather not fill his spot
    Between not knowing when NHL returns or even if there is a season
    You can just let things play out between Nurse Russell Jones Broberg Lagesson

  55. GB&Q says:

    JOFA: He was just spit balling IMO.

    Ryan Rishaug
    @TSNRyanRishaug
    ·
    1h
    Lol. Appreciate the discretion.. Just conversing about how things could look. Involved them taking Russell contract and retaining cash too. Spit balling ideas is all. 🙂

  56. Harpers Hair says:

    JOFA:
    Maybe Klefbom was part of a deal with OEL? Felt he needed to disclose injury? He may have saved the team

    Hardly likely since the Coyotes need RD.

    Chychrun is ready to take over at #1LD and they also have Goligoski and Hjalmarstrom under contract.

  57. boneshj says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Yeah, that’s a concern. But really every team is looking for a RD.

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    With the damn Klefbom news, it now makes more sense why Holland may be interested in OEL but, for me, it still doesn’t change the analysis that the contract could be a kill-shot moving forward if OEL doesn’t bounce back let alone regresses further in to his 30s.

    OEL of three/four years ago certainly moves the needle – he was a legit 1LD, a top 10 d-man in the league.

    He hasn’t been that player over the last couple of years. Don’t get me wrong, he’s still very good and better than anything on the Oilers but, for the acquisition cost and the contract and the fact that he’d be playing in his 30s, not his prime years, I’m not certain he moves the needle.

    Sure, maybe where he is playing and the environment around the team is a factor in his regression and maybe he regains his elite play for a few years as an Oiler but there is no certainty in that. Given the length of the contract and the assets acquired to get him (likely), I think its a massive risk.

    Rishaug’s 14th plus Bouchard plus Russell for OEL with $1M retained is NOT something I would be in favor of, at all.

  59. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    With the damn Klefbom news, it now makes more sense why Holland may be interested in OEL but, for me, it still doesn’t change the analysis that the contract could be a kill-shot moving forward if OEL doesn’t bounce back let alone regresses further in to his 30s.

    OEL of three/four years ago certainly moves the needle – he was a legit 1LD, a top 10 d-man in the league.

    He hasn’t been that player over the last couple of years.Don’t get me wrong, he’s still very good and better than anything on the Oilers but, for the acquisition cost and the contract and the fact that he’d be playing in his 30s, not his prime years, I’m not certain he moves the needle.

    Sure, maybe where he is playing and the environment around the team is a factor in his regression and maybe he regains his elite play for a few years as an Oiler but there is no certainty in that. Given the length of the contract and the assets acquired to get him (likely), I think its a massive risk.

    Rishaug’s 14th plus Bouchard plus Russell for OEL with $1M retained is NOT something I would be in favor of, at all.

    What evidence are you using to come to the conclusion that OEL has regressed over the last two to three years?

    His scoring numbers are pretty consistent and he’s done it on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league.

    If added to the Oilers PP, I expect his counting numbers would spike.

  60. HugThePost says:

    so there are media leaks about Klef being hurt (surprise surprise) and the Oilers loading up a trade package that would see what many if not all of us seeing as a huge part of the future away for an aging D in decline. Yep, sounds about right—it is the Oilers after all.

    I also wonder and worry that if/when all of these dominoes fall, how is Connor going to feel? While I’m at it, how will Leon feel for that matter? It seems like the house is still filling with smoke and about to burn down around them.

  61. leadfarmer says:

    This is all very interesting
    Everyone always loves (from coaches to managers) Nurse so he’s not going
    If they were looking at OEL than the obvious trade is klefbom.
    Looks like Klefbom doesn’t want to get traded

    If they are looking at trading Bouchard they better be right

  62. blainer says:

    Let’s hope this trade is not gonna happen. When will it ever end if this does. We are getting a cost controlled possible right shot center at 14. The one thing this team is crying out for. What would this team look like if we had Barzal.

    I really hope they don’t do this. There other options out there to be sure.

    We just traded 2 2nd rounders one of KH’s former players from Detroit who was useless to this team. I am quickly losing faith in KH.

    This trade is exactly the kind of move Chia would make.

  63. blainer says:

    blainer:
    Let’s hope this trade is not gonna happen. When will it ever end if this does. We are getting a cost controlled possible right shot center at 14. The one thing this team is crying out for. What would this team look like if we had Barzal.

    I really hope they don’t do this. There other options out there to be sure.

    We just traded 2 2nd rounders for one of KH’s former players from Detroit who was useless to this team. I am quickly losing faith in KH.

    This trade is exactly the kind of move Chia would make.

  64. Brantford Boy says:

    On 31 thoughts:
    New Jersey’s 18th and 20th picks are in play…

    What would you add to the 14th to get the 18 and 20? Would JP get it done… doubtful? If we had a second round pick that might have been more enticing.

    LT… these math questions to post comments are getting difficult…

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    Does this mean that Jake DeBrusk and the Bruins 2nd are not being acquired?

    Now, I assume this won’t change Holland’s plan and “force” him to a move that could have long term negative implications (i.e. 14th plus Bouchard for OEL) but, if Oscar is out for term and Holland isn’t able to acquire a stop-gap veteran that can play 2LD, this likely means Rusty needs to stay for his contract expiry year and the cap space potential goes away.

    Ya, there is LITR but that doesn’t create off-season cap space and that isn’t great for in-season acquisitions and, if Oscar isn’t out for the entire year, they can’t really use it. This does not open up $4M of cap space on an LTIR premise.

  66. DBO says:

    Klefbom on LTIR would help Arizona if they want to save actual dollars. they could keep his cap hit and insurance pays his salary. Add Russell at $4 mill cap hit and $1.5 mill cash, and you get over $8 mill in cap hit and only $1.5 mill in actual dollars. huge value to Arizona being tight for cash. Add a prospect and pick, and maybe it works.

    Bouchard should be a non starter.

  67. LMHF#1 says:

    BONE207: I see the Bones are posting this morning…

    Instead of Henrik, can we get Georgiev?

    I’m only in on a Rangers goalie trade if Igor’s the guy headed our way.

  68. LMHF#1 says:

    JOFA:
    No big moves this off season please. This is NOT the time to do it.

    It is literally always the time to make the team better.

    Always.

  69. Harpers Hair says:

    The Low down on OEL from the best Coyotes insider who spoke to numerous league sources.

    https://azcoyotesinsider.substack.com/p/gauging-league-perception-of-ekman

  70. OriginalPouzar says:

    Jesse’s rights have finally been traded…… his KHL rights:

    https://twitter.com/vorkywh24/status/1311379729077993473?s=21

  71. Harpers Hair says:

    LMHF#1: It is literally always the time to make the team better.

    Always.

    This.

    Always this.

    Acquiring a true #D is the most important move you can make.

    If it’s OEL, and he’s paired with Larsson you have a legit top pair. Having OEL moving the puck would make Larsson much more effective.

    If the Russell cap hit is gone and Arizona retains on OEL and Klefbom is on LTIR, it’s pretty easy to make this work for next season.

    The following season, if Broberg is the goods and can handle 2LD (likely) you can move Nurse before he’s overpaid. And Lordy there are many other options

    You keep Benning as bottom pair and as expansion fodder.

  72. leadfarmer says:

    Some of these comments are nuts
    OEL is without a doubt the best defensemen the Oil have iced since Pronger.
    His acquisition would actually bring balance to the D
    OEL Larsson
    Nurse. Bear

    That’s a good variety of d men of different types.
    Not saying that I would pay 1st and Bouchard for him. But there’s a very good likelihood Bouchard isn’t as good as OEL. If they take Neal I do it

  73. Primetime says:

    leadfarmer:

    But there’s a very good likelihood Bouchard isn’t as good as OEL.

    I feel like that is a massive understatement. Especially in the next 3-5 years of McDavid/Draisaitl

  74. Durag says:

    leadfarmer:
    Some of these comments are nuts
    OEL is without a doubt the best defensemen the Oil have iced since Pronger.

    Thank you. I really like Klefbom, but he is not of the same caliber as OEL.

  75. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: This.

    Always this.

    Acquiring a true #D is the most important move you can make.

    If it’s OEL, and he’s paired with Larsson you have a legit top pair. Having OEL moving the puck would make Larsson much more effective.

    If the Russell cap hit is gone and Arizona retains on OEL and Klefbom is on LTIR, it’s pretty easy to make this work for next season.

    The following season, if Broberg is the goods and can handle 2LD (likely) you can move Nurse before he’s overpaid. And Lordy there are many other options

    You keep Benning as bottom pair and as expansion fodder.

    OEL is the goods if Holland can somehow make this happen with a fragile Coyotes management team, sign me up boss.

  76. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    leadfarmer: Not saying that I would pay 1st and Bouchard for him

    I think this is main issue, at least for my “nuts” 🙂

  77. Kraz says:

    How does a guy like OEL compare to McDonagh? Both would be very good top pair defenceman who had a couple down years and traded at similar ages. McDonagh looked like a rock for Tampa in these playoffs and will be for another couple years. Plus he is two years older than OEL

  78. OriginalPouzar says:

    Elgin R: No, No, No to OEL unless Yotes give him away (say $3m retained).Love it when Larsson cross-checks someone twice and then looks at the refs to see if he can get away with another one!Hoping Holland can get Larsson on a good deal ($3m x 3) so that he does not have to trade him at the deadline.

    I have alot of time for Larsson to continue as an Oiler but its tough to figure out a contract that would work.

    I mean, the contract has to be negotiated by the org with a view to Bear and Bouchard playing in the top 4 within a year.

    Having Lars as 3RD and injury fill-in for the top 4 is championship level depth but the Oilers can’t afford to pay him $3M per for that, can they?

    Its almost like Russell in terms of the player having value on the roster but not at the cap hit vis-a-vis roster construction.

  79. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    I 100% support the pursuit of OEL and would probably pay more than most here would, but I wouldn’t agree to Bouchard or Broberg being involved. If we’re taking on his contract, we’ll need those cheap ELC and 2nd contract years from those two.

    Curious if Klefbom’s possible LTIR could enable Holland to sign Bear for more term.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Melman:
    Given the goalie glut and flat cap this offseason, I can’t help wondering if Holtby ends up signing a 1 year deal. He’s numbers have slid and it would be surprising to see a team pony up a long big money contract for him. It looks like that strategy worked out well for Lehner. If Holtby is willing to sign a 1 year $4.5ish do you do it?

    Too rich given recent performance.

    Holtby was one of the best tenders in the league for a while but he has not been close to that for a few years (even in the cup year) and was very poor last year.

    Sure, for a 1 year deal not over $3M, I could take a chance to see if he’ll rebound – my concern is a $4M X 4 contract – if not more.

  81. nelson88 says:

    Harpers Hair: This.

    Always this.

    Acquiring a true #D is the most important move you can make.

    If it’s OEL, and he’s paired with Larsson you have a legit top pair. Having OEL moving the puck would make Larsson much more effective.

    If the Russell cap hit is gone and Arizona retains on OEL and Klefbom is on LTIR, it’s pretty easy to make this work for next season.

    The following season, if Broberg is the goods and can handle 2LD (likely) you can move Nurse before he’s overpaid. And Lordy there are many other options

    You keep Benning as bottom pair and as expansion fodder.

    Good lord. Can’t believe I actually agree with you. Bring on the locusts and other end of world harbingers

  82. nelson88 says:

    Would really prefer if the 1st was 2021 and the D going the other way with Russell was Jones even if it meant less retained or another pick prospect but OEL is a worthy target

  83. YKOil says:

    So what goes with Neal and Russell FOR OEL and Grabner? $9.75 million out vs. 11.75 million in.

    Overall salary savings for AZ are huge when looking at the life of the contracts, moreso if AZ buys out Neal. OEL and Grabner, full terms, represent $57.75 million in salary.

    Neal and Russell, full terms, represent $18.75 million; a buy-out of Neal brings that down to $13 million.

    Differences of $39.0 million and $44.75 million respectively.

    Still cost the 14th or a good prospect imo.

    Also, put me on board with using the Kelfbom related LTIR savings to sign Bear to a long-term deal.

  84. OriginalPouzar says:

    As per Seravelli – I really think it should be $1M tops but whatever – lets get this done:

    Sounds like #Oilers have made progress in talks to bring Jesse Puljujarvi back into the fold. Discussion still mostly centered on the hockey ‘fit’ part of it, but my guess if/when he returns is that it’s eventually on a one-year deal in the $1.2-$1.5 million range.

  85. Harpers Hair says:

    YKOil:
    So what goes with Neal and Russell FOR OEL and Grabner? $9.75 million out vs. 11.75 million in.

    Overall salary savings for AZ are huge when looking at the life of the contracts, moreso if AZ buys out Neal. OEL and Grabner, full terms, represent $57.75 million in salary.

    Neal and Russell, full terms, represent $18.75 million; a buy-out of Neal brings that down to $13 million.

    Differences of $39.0 million and $44.75 million respectively.

    Still cost the 14th or a good prospect imo.

    Also, put me on board with using the Kelfbom related LTIR savings to sign Bear to a long-term deal.

    You won’t get Arizon a to take both Neal and Russell

    Any they certainly wouldn’t buy out Neal if they acquired him.

    They’re cash strapped already (late bonuses).

    They won’t be paying anyone not to play for them.

  86. digger50 says:

    So we finally learn where the stalemate is, and all else hinges on getting OEL and Klefbom sorted.

    They still sound very far apart. The cost of OEL contract is huge. 66M is not easy to unload. Oilers should be holding. The ask if correct sounds like the 1sr plus a good prospect, this about right, butwe don’t want to let go of Bouchard. Taking Russel is doing us a favour, somewhat irrelevant is t it

    Wow, this sounds close. Looking at it through Holland’s eyes, he likes Broberg and he wonders how Samorukov turns out. He has to get it right . No mention of money retained. I think if they retain 2m Holland does it.

  87. digger50 says:

    Wait.. what? Wish I could edit

  88. Harpers Hair says:

    Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual:
    I 100% support the pursuit of OEL and would probably pay more than most here would, but I wouldn’t agree to Bouchard or Broberg being involved. If we’re taking on his contract, we’ll need those cheap ELC and 2nd contract years from those two.

    Curious if Klefbom’s possible LTIR could enable Holland to sign Bear for more term.

    This concern about ELC contracts is way overblown.

    Let’s assume Broberg makes the team next season…ELC.

    Lagesson is your number 7D….ELC,

    Benning is gone in the expansion draft and replaced by Berglund at 3RD,

    That’s three D on ELCs.

    With news if Klefbom’s injury the time to weaponize the Oilers D depth is RFN.

    Giddy up.

  89. digger50 says:

    I am hoping Holland can get Arizona to onOEL and he can move the 2021 first.

    Then I’m in.

    This is a suprise but if OEL can make over the entire defence the window to the cup opens right away.

    Shame about Klefbom injury as acquiring a top winger dealing from left side defends is off the table. Or maybe they do spend money on uFa winger and go with internal solutions at 3 center.

  90. PinkSocks says:

    Harpers Hair:

    That’s three D on ELCs.

    Coincidentally also a recipe for disaster.

  91. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lots and lots of concern regarding Rishaug’s proposal for OEL and, lets be clear, listening to the spot on Dusty’s show, this is Rishaug spit-balling and speculating – there is no sense that he has any information from the organization on this.

    https://www.tsn.ca/radio/edmonton-1260/audio/rishaug-waiting-for-guys-to-develop-they-won-t-be-good-enough-fast-enough-1.1532091

  92. godot10 says:

    As long as the draft pick going to Arizona with Bouchard is the 2021 #1 (lottery-protected), rather than the #14, I can live with that. Modulo the other stuff in the deal to make the money work for either team.

  93. PinkSocks says:

    If OEL costs Klef and the 2021 first and they are taking Russell it still doesn’t work. Russell needs to be replaced on the roster, so the overall cap gain is ~$1m.

    Let’s say Russell = Lagesson or whoever replaces him.

    Is the upgrade from Klef to OEL worth a loss of $1m in cap and a 1st rounder? I don’t think so.

    That being said, if KH manages to cleanly dispose of Russell elsewhere, and Arizona takes Neal instead, or vice versa, then I do the deal. In that case, Neal’s replacement also hits the cap under $1m, so the net trade is a 1st rounder for an upgrade of Klef to OEL, a gain of $3.75m on the cap.

  94. TheGreatBigMac says:

    Does it have to be Bouchard for OEL, seriously we waited so long to finally have a top RD prospect and he cost a full blown season. I wouldn’t like Samarukov to go, he’s going to be great but we have other LD.

  95. TheGreatBigMac says:

    I could live with OEL at least $1M retained for Russell + Samarukov + 2021 1st and I’m flexible on Russell he can probably be traded elsewhere. Not sure Yotes do that deal but if they want to recoup 1st round picks, this is an option.

    I’m okay with an OEL deal if it’s a good fit and fair trade. If not I’m fine going with replacements for a year/whenever Klef is healthy. Tampa has done it with Stamkos. Key players get injured and sewer a season it happens. You get to grow others on the team and gain better draft prospects, it’s only for a year.

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    JOFA:
    No big moves this off season please. This is NOT the time to do it. Find another lefty dman on a one year contract as a stop gap for Klefbom. Keep Russell if needed. Make the pick at 14. Pray it’s not Askarov. Trade other players that aren’t in the plans for picks. Call it a day.

    I know Washington is trying to re-sign him but is Brenden Dillon a one-year stop gap – can he and Jones cover 2LD.

    Lots of pressure on Nurse, which isn’t great.

    I would hope that an injury, even one that has him out for months, doesn’t materially change Holland’s building plans – he knows his cap situation going forward, he knows he needs his picks and young ELC players.

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    PinkSocks:
    If OEL costs Klef and the 2021 first and they are taking Russell it still doesn’t work. Russell needs to be replaced on the roster, so the overall cap gain is ~$1m.

    Let’s say Russell = Lagesson or whoever replaces him.

    Is the upgrade from Klef to OEL worth a loss of $1m in cap and a 1st rounder?I don’t think so.

    That being said, if KH manages to cleanly dispose of Russell elsewhere, and Arizona takes Neal instead, or vice versa, then I do the deal.In that case, Neal’s replacement also hits the cap under $1m, so the net trade is a 1st rounder for an upgrade of Klef to OEL, a gain of $3.75m on the cap.

    This is just so out there.

    Russell is already replaced on the roster.

    Klefbom will be on LTIR.

    You would have OEL, Nurse and Jones as LHD with Lagesson singing back up until Broberg arrives and takes over from Nurse.

    Larsson, Bear and Benning are your 3RD until the expansion draft with Berglund taking over.

    The Russell cap saving is $4M and the Klefbom LTIR is potentially another $4M so if Arizona retains $2M the Oilers get a #1D while saving cap space.

    Both Lagesson and Benning might get a small raise but you’re still ahead of the game since Bear was going to get a raise in any event.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lewis Grant: We tried to get Seth Jones, offering RNH.As much as I liked RNH at the time (and still do now), I endorsed that offer.The Predators went for Ryan Johansen instead as their return.A panel of 9 NHL observers was asked about the Preds’ decision; a narrow 5-4 split decision said they’d take Johansen over RNH.My guess is that the Preds today would be happier with RNH than Johansen.

    Jones finished top-5 in Norris voting this year.We came so close!

    I would have been all over that trade at the time, and, of course, I am a Nuge fan (and was at the time).

    To me, Jones was already close to a high end top pairing d-man at the time and I was fully confidant he was going to be elite.

    I also remember at the time thinking that Nuge, as much as I was a fan, wasn’t at the same level of value as Johansen and never thought it was something that could seriously happen.

  99. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: I know Washington is trying to re-sign him but is Brenden Dillon a one-year stop gap – can he and Jones cover 2LD.

    Lots of pressure on Nurse, which isn’t great.

    I would hope that an injury, even one that has him out for months, doesn’t materially change Holland’s building plans – he knows his cap situation going forward, he knows he needs his picks and young ELC players.

    There is less pressure on Nurse with a horse like OEL than there is on him with a gimpy Klefbom who has been injured multiple times.

    If Nurse can’t handle the pressure of 2D, you trade him right now.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Swear to Gord – If the Oilers make a trade like this now…after 40 years – I am done as a fan. I can’t take this much stupidity anymore. So I really hope something like this does not happen.

    LadiesloveSmid:
    If the oilers think that lowly of Bouchard, every team in the league should make a call on him.

    HIs numbers suggest nothing short of a high end D man, and soon.

    Ryan: Hm. my first reaction to that would be, “yikes.”

    OEL is 29 and his contract is over $8m forever (another seven years).

    There’s a lot of risk in his contract at this stage. How many good years will you get out of him out of those seven?

    Players never seem to age well in Edmonton. Maybe it’s the water. They must have better water in Boston, Montreal, San Jose, Dallas, and Pittsburgh.

    As I said yesterday, with the Oilers salary cap structure, they’re not well suited to taking on risk in contracts like that.

    We still have 3 more years on all of the Neal contract, retained Lucic salary, and Sekera buyout.

    It’s also a lot of future to give up.

    If Bouchard spikes, the Yotes draft Seth Jarvis in a few years that trade could look really bad.

    While this is the sort of trade Joe Sakic would possibly make, he’d be on the Arizona side of it.

    nathen99:
    If we trade14 0verall 2020 10 overall 2018 for fading OEL than management shall be shot maybe if they also take Neal and Russell and chiasson.

    I agree with all these points but lets remember, this was simply Rishaug’s opinion on what it would cost to get OEL (and it included apx $1M retained on OEL) – this isn’t something he got from the org (or even something he said he’d be in favor of) – it was him “thinking through” what the Yotes would require.

  101. TheGreatBigMac says:

    Stauffer and Brian Lawton discussion today suggested that the OEL price under a new GM would likely be too high and the better route is likely an UFA like Barrie, Vatenan etc.

  102. Harpers Hair says:

    TheGreatBigMac:
    Stauffer and Brian Lawton discussion today suggested that the OEL price under a new GM would likely be too high and the better route is likely an UFA like Barrie, Vatenan etc.

    All that would accomplish is replacing Benning with a more expensive player and blocking Bouchard for at least a couple of seasons. Since both are RHD that makes zero sense.

  103. Pretendergast says:

    TheGreatBigMac,

    A new GM in edmonton traded for Griffin Reinhart. If anything they dont value things like they should/ have their own plan in mind. If OEL doesnt fit that plan, best value he can get. As per the proposal, as LT always says, who did the GM draft? Bouchard isnt his guy and may not fit the plan just like OEL. I think Holland wants big and fast. Bouchard isnt fast.

  104. Solly says:

    Being an Oilers fan, it’s always assumed that when the media drops a bomb like Klefbom maybe needing surgery a week before the draft, we assume it’s to hinder our negotiations in the trade market. That’s fair…all Sportsnet and TSN cast members may as well be on the Leafs payroll IMO.

    But maybe, just once, this is going to help explain a trade before it happens…

    Klefbom + Russell + 1st for OEL (1.5 mil retained)

    Looks like a massive overpay until you see Klefbom done for the season next year. Arizona gets the cheaper actual dollars Russell contract and also gets to bury Klefbom’s contract on LTIR. We get OEL at 6.75mil/season. (I’d pay that for OEL all day…he’s 29….not 34.)

    I think the holdup has been the salary retention from Arizona. They offered 1mil and wanted Bouch, Oilers wanted 2mil and Klef. They’ll settle at 1.5mil if they can bury Klefbom’s contract on LTIR (hence…the leak).

    But, would Klef + Russell + 1st get you something better than OEL from one of the other 30 teams our coach/GM didn’t used to work for? Are we capable of negotiating with teams not on the “been fired from” list? Sure hope so…or next year we might be looking at an Arz/Det hybrid mash-up…with Leon and McD. Gross.

  105. Harpers Hair says:

    Solly:
    Being an Oilers fan, it’s always assumed that when the media drops a bomb like Klefbom maybe needing surgery a week before the draft, we assume it’s to hinder our negotiations in the trade market. That’s fair…all Sportsnet and TSN cast members may as well be on the Leafs payroll IMO.

    But maybe, just once, this is going to help explain a trade before it happens…

    Klefbom + Russell + 1st for OEL (1.5 mil retained)

    Looks like a massive overpay until you see Klefbom done for the season next year. Arizona gets the cheaper actual dollars Russell contract and also gets to bury Klefbom’s contract on LTIR. We get OEL at 6.75mil/season. (I’d pay that for OEL all day…he’s 29….not 34.)

    I think the holdup has been the salary retention from Arizona. They offered 1mil and wanted Bouch, Oilers wanted 2mil and Klef. They’ll settle at 1.5mil if they can bury Klefbom’s contract on LTIR (hence…the leak).

    But, would Klef + Russell + 1st get you something better than OEL from one of the other 30 teams our coach/GM didn’t used to work for? Are we capable of negotiating with teams not on the “been fired from” list? Sure hope so…or next year we might be looking at an Arz/Det hybrid mash-up…with Leon and McD. Gross.

    This makes no sense.

    Arizona is cash strapped not cap strapped.

    If Klefbom is on LTIR, they still have to pay him and he may come back before next season ends.

    As for your trade suggestions to 30 other teams, an injured Klefbom and Russel both have negative value so you’re trying to trade a first round pick and a couple of anchors.

    Might get a second round pick for that.

  106. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I agree with all these points but lets remember, this was simply Rishaug’s opinion on what it would cost to get OEL (and it included apx $1M retained on OEL) – this isn’t something he got from the org (or even something he said he’d be in favor of) – it was him “thinking through” what the Yotes would require.

    Well, lets hope Rishaug is never up for Oilers GM…

  107. Pretendergast says:

    Harpers Hair,

    All NHL contracts are insured, they wouldnt have to pay the full amount for Klef.

  108. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I agree with all these points but lets remember, this was simply Rishaug’s opinion on what it would cost to get OEL (and it included apx $1M retained on OEL) – this isn’t something he got from the org (or even something he said he’d be in favor of) – it was him “thinking through” what the Yotes would require.

    Thanks for the updates.

    Rishaug doesn’t usually spit ball trade scenarios especially when there’s already lots of smoke.

    I heard a rumor yesterday about a deal involving OEL for futures to the Oilers.

    I think the Klefbom injury actually increases the likelihood of an OEL trade.

    Waiving his NMC would cost OEL over $3.5 m in taxes over his contract.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10:
    What amazes me is why they didn’t take care of this Klefbom business in April, once they knew it was going to be an extended break.

    The Oilers were not contenders last season.They could’ve been a contender next season.By delaying the surgery from April to October, they screw up two seasons.

    The Oilers finished ahead of the Dallas Stars in the regular season (1 point – just behind in points percentage). “True Contenders”? Nope, but every bit as much of a “contender” as Dallas.

    After being buyers at the deadline, Holland and Klef would decide to shut it down with playoffs ahead, even if they knew it was going to be a few months?

    I don’t see it.

    Not to mention, I would be shocked if Klefbom himself would have be in favor of surgery with playoffs on the horizon, even in the circumstance – he can’t be forced and I would suggest the org wouldn’t have pressured him in any event.

  110. Harpers Hair says:

    Pretendergast:
    Harpers Hair,

    All NHL contracts are insured, they wouldnt have to pay the full amount for Klef.

    Yes that’s true but he may return before the end of the season.

    If I was Arizona I wouldnt even look at Klefbom given his extensive injury history.

    He’s damaged goods and we have no idea how effective he will be post surgery.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bobcaygeon: Any word on retention? Bad thing about this trade for the Oilers is money in vs money out. If the Yotes could eat 2 or 3 million of OEL contract that would leave Oilers with options at LD

    The deal that Rishaug was building in his head included retention of apx $1M but, again, this is not something Rishaug heard from any source or anyone in the org but his thoughts on how a deal could get done.

  112. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: The Oilers finished ahead of the Dallas Stars in the regular season (1 point – just behind in points percentage). “True Contenders”? Nope, but every bit as much of a “contender” as Dallas.

    After being buyers at the deadline, Holland and Klef would decide to shut it down with playoffs ahead, even if they knew it was going to be a few months?

    I don’t see it.

    Not to mention, I would be shocked if Klefbom himself would have be in favor of surgery with playoffs on the horizon, even in the circumstance – he can’t be forced and I would suggest the org wouldn’t have pressured him in any event.

    The Stars are built for the playoffs.

    The Oilers are built to beat the Blackhawks.

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    blainer:
    Let’s hope this trade is not gonna happen. When will it ever end if this does. We are getting a cost controlled possible right shot center at 14. The one thing this team is crying out for. What would this team look like if we had Barzal.

    I really hope they don’t do this. There other options out there to be sure.

    We just traded 2 2nd rounders one of KH’s former players from Detroit who was useless to this team. I am quickly losing faith in KH.

    This trade is exactly the kind of move Chia would make.

    This is not directed at you specifically but the post is an example of a pet peeve of mine.

    There seems to be extreme negative put on Holland due to something that he didn’t’ do (or didn’t not do). This is simply a TSN reporter speculating what it would cost or what a trade could look like in his opinion. There is zero intel actually out there that Holland would be willing to give up a Bouchard or even the 14th in this type of trade.

    All we know is that Holland has inquired about OEL – that was Friedman’s intel, backed up be LeBrun.

    The intel isn’t that the Oilers are hot and heavy for him or that they have made offers for him but just that they inquired about him.

    Sure, the AA trade, that was something Holland actually did – at this point it looks like a poor move but, with respect, from the post above, additional negativity is being directed towards Holland based on nothing he has actually done or said and based on media speculation.

  114. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: This makes no sense.

    Arizona is cash strapped not cap strapped.

    If Klefbom is on LTIR, they still have to pay him and he may come back before next season ends.

    As for your trade suggestions to 30 other teams, an injured Klefbom and Russel both have negative value so you’re trying to trade a first round pick and a couple of anchors.

    Might get a second round pick for that.

    I believe insurance policy picks up Tab for players on LTIR.

  115. Pretendergast says:

    Ryan,

    This is not true. As Alan Walsh (yes THAT guy), an agent in the business forever put it, any accountant worth their salt can severely cut that deficit. Good advice makes the difference all but negligible.

  116. leadfarmer says:

    Solly:
    Being an Oilers fan, it’s always assumed that when the media drops a bomb like Klefbom maybe needing surgery a week before the draft, we assume it’s to hinder our negotiations in the trade market. That’s fair…all Sportsnet and TSN cast members may as well be on the Leafs payroll IMO.

    But maybe, just once, this is going to help explain a trade before it happens…

    Klefbom + Russell + 1st for OEL (1.5 mil retained)

    Looks like a massive overpay until you see Klefbom done for the season next year. Arizona gets the cheaper actual dollars Russell contract and also gets to bury Klefbom’s contract on LTIR. We get OEL at 6.75mil/season. (I’d pay that for OEL all day…he’s 29….not 34.)

    I think the holdup has been the salary retention from Arizona. They offered 1mil and wanted Bouch, Oilers wanted 2mil and Klef. They’ll settle at 1.5mil if they can bury Klefbom’s contract on LTIR (hence…the leak).

    But, would Klef + Russell + 1st get you something better than OEL from one of the other 30 teams our coach/GM didn’t used to work for? Are we capable of negotiating with teams not on the “been fired from” list? Sure hope so…or next year we might be looking at an Arz/Det hybrid mash-up…with Leon and McD. Gross.

    I guess I’m in the minority here but that deal is an absolute steal.
    OEL at 6.75 per is absolutely fantastic.
    That’s What Nurse wants and slightly more than Brodin signed for and less than Spurgeon
    OEL is best d since Pronger

  117. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: This is not directed at you specifically but the post is an example of a pet peeve of mine.

    There seems to be extreme negative put on Holland due to something that he didn’t’ do (or didn’t not do).This is simply a TSN reporter speculating what it would cost or what a trade could look like in his opinion. There is zero intel actually out there that Holland would be willing to give up a Bouchard or even the 14th in this type of trade.

    All we know is that Holland has inquired about OEL – that was Friedman’s intel, backed up be LeBrun.

    The intel isn’t that the Oilers are hot and heavy for him or that they have made offers for him but just that they inquired about him.

    Sure, the AA trade, that was something Holland actually did – at this point it looks like a poor move but, with respect, from the post above, additional negativity is being directed towards Holland based on nothing he has actually done or said and based on media speculation.

    Who signed Kassian to that abomination of a contract?

  118. Harpers Hair says:

    leadfarmer: I guess I’m in the minority here but that deal is an absolute steal.
    OEL at 6.75 per is absolutely fantastic.
    That’s What Nurse wants and slightly more than Brodin signed for and less than Spurgeon
    OEL is best d since Pronger

    This.

    Teams can wait many years without the chance to acquire an actual #1D.

    The Oilers haven’t had one since the one year Pronger agreed to play in Edmonton.

    That was 14 years ago.

    It appears the mob wants to wait another 14 years.

  119. flyfish1168 says:

    leadfarmer: I guess I’m in the minority here but that deal is an absolute steal.
    OEL at 6.75 per is absolutely fantastic.
    That’s What Nurse wants and slightly more than Brodin signed for and less than Spurgeon
    OEL is best d since Pronger

    I would take Hedman and Doughty over OEL

  120. Harpers Hair says:

    flyfish1168: I would take Hedman and Doughty over OEL

    Doughty’s cap hit is $11 million for another 6 years and he’s a year older than OEL.

    Hedman is the best defenseman in the league.

    It would take McDavid to get him.

    Are you sure you want to do that?

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Putting Klefbom on LTIR does not create $4M of cap space in the off-season.

  122. pts2pndr says:

    Harpers Hair: Yes that’s true but he may return before the end of the season.

    If I was Arizona I wouldnt even look at Klefbom given his extensive injury history.

    He’s damaged goods and we have no idea how effective he will be post surgery.

    Bowing smoke out of your ass again. You speculate on things you have no way of knowing and Speak to them as if they are fact.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    TheGreatBigMac:
    I could live with OEL at least $1M retained for Russell + Samarukov + 2021 1st and I’m flexible on Russell he can probably be traded elsewhere.Not sure Yotes do that deal but if they want to recoup 1st round picks, this is an option.

    I’m okay with an OEL deal if it’s a good fit and fair trade.If not I’m fine going with replacements for a year/whenever Klef is healthy.Tampa has done it with Stamkos.Key players get injured and sewer a season it happens.You get to grow others on the team and gain better draft prospects, it’s only for a year.

    Question for ya – if OEL was a UFA this summer, would you be in favor of signing him to 7 years X $7.25M? If so, would you be in favor of doing so if you needed to pay a 1st rounder and Samorukov for the right?

  124. Solly says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Unfortunately for Arz, they are cap strapped and need to move salary/money…which means moving OEL at a lesser value to create space. Klef is definitely a very good dman, not a pure #1 but very good when healthy. Calling him an anchor is ridiculous.

    I fully agree Russ is an anchor. But a cheap one for Arz. He’s the bonus I’m hoping KH can pull-off so we can get some cap space back. I’m sure Arz has asked for Nurse, Bouch, Bro…but Holland’s not letting them go for just OEL. I could see AA in place of Russ though…

    Yotes lose the better player but gain big cash savings and potential return from #14…who I think will be a good player. It’s not a bad trade for either team in the current situation.

    Klef + Russ maybe gets you a 2nd round pick? Hahahaha cmon man…

  125. Harpers Hair says:

    Klefbom, when healthy…well he isn’t healthy and until he returns from surgery and demonstrates he’s back to normal his contract is an anchor.

    You may recall the last time needed surgery it took him an entire season to get back up to speed.

    Now that he’s going to be 28 when he comes back, it’s likely his recovery will be slower.

    He’s damaged goods.

    Russell is what he is…an ongoing liability.

  126. flyfish1168 says:

    Harpers Hair: Doughty’s cap hit is $11 million for another 6 years and he’s a year older than OEL.

    Hedman is the best defenseman in the league.

    It would take McDavid to get him.

    Are you sure you want to do that?

    I’m commenting he is a better Dmen. If you put CAP in I would take neither. Doughty is RHD that brings more value.

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: Who signed Kassian to that abomination of a contract?

    Read the post and understand it if you are going to respond to it.

  128. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Read the post and understand it if you are going to respond to it.

    I understood it fine.

    You’re carrying water for Ken Holland despite that signing and trading two second round picks for AA.

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    flyfish1168: I’m commenting he is a better Dmen. If you put CAP in I would take neither. Doughty is RHD that brings more value.

    Certainly not $3M more value every season.

  130. Ranford.85 says:

    Stop feeding the troll! The guy is cancerous to this site.

  131. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: I understood it fine.

    You’re carrying water for Ken Holland despite that signing and trading two second round picks for AA.

    Clearly you didn’t.

    I didn’t defend Ken Holland for any move he made.

  132. flyfish1168 says:

    Harpers Hair: Certainly not $3M more value every season.

    2.75 more for RHD again both are paid more than I like. Again I would pay more for Doughty because he is better and he is RHD.

  133. knighttown says:

    About Klefbom, Bouchard and 1st for OEL, this is NOT the off-season to be aggressive. There are red flags everywhere about the NHLs return to play. This time it’s less about safety and more about money. We may be headed for labour Armageddon. The NHL and the players came together quickly to finish the season and fulfill their TV contract but the next key is generating gate revenues. Apparently there is no agreement yet from the players to play for, say, 50% of their salary if there’s a 41 game season and the owners are not in a position to pay players for games that aren’t happening.

    This nearly derailed baseball and its got way more of its revenue from TV than we do.

    We already handed out two seconds for virtually nothing. We’ve got to go slow here and see the lay of the land.

  134. jake70 says:

    Rickety Cricket: Just when I thought I had recovered emotionally from the Reinhart/Hall trades you have to lay this shit on me??

    Lol.

  135. jake70 says:

    knighttown:
    About Klefbom, Bouchard and 1st for OEL, this is NOT the off-season to be aggressive. There are red flags everywhere about the NHLs return to play. This time it’s less about safety and more about money. We may be headed for labour Armageddon. The NHL and the players came together quickly to finish the season and fulfill their TV contract but the next key is generating gate revenues. Apparently there is no agreement yet from the players to play for, say, 50% of their salary if there’s a 41 game season and the owners are not in a position to pay players for games that aren’t happening.

    This nearly derailed baseball and its got way more of its revenue from TV than we do.

    We already handed out two seconds for virtually nothing. We’ve got to go slow here and see the lay of the land.

    Agreed. It may only be 21-22, 22-23 where the economic carnage of lack of gate is really seen. Is it possilble to see a cap decrease?? One wonders. There may be a plethora of cheap talent out there in next 18-24 months. Problem is, this so-called McDavid clock is ticking during that time.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    No, pursuant to the MOU for the CBA extension, the cap will not go below $81.5M but it doesn’t go above $82.5M until HRR gets back to $4.8B AND the Escrow Balance is paid off.

    Sure, $4.8B revenues may be do-able in a few years if life gets back to somewhat normal but who knows about that Escrow Balance – in particular if they play significant games with limited fans in 2021 – that may make it worse.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    On a positive note, lots of Oilers players getting ready to start their seasons.

    The KHL is well underway and the SHL has played a few games but Liiga, AIK and the Swiss, Austrian, etc. leagues are starting up today/tomorrow/Saturday.

    I’m excied to watch a Sodertegle/Vasby AIK game tomorrow – ya, its come to that!

  138. Hamez says:

    Ranford.85:
    Stop feeding the troll! The guy is cancerous to this site.

    While I am in no means defending Harpers Hair or DSF or whatever they go by, his points are sometimes legitimate to the ongoing discussion whether they are meant to provoke or not and often HH posts links to current and relevant hockey news that I really appreciate. If you don’t agree with their remarks, don’t respond, but they are by no means cancerous to this site.

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